Re: Im Disgusted in the Bat and the Developers
Hi Timothy, /me smells bait /me swims up /me thinks "hmm... nah." /me swims back down again -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Suggestion...
Hi tracer, On Saturday 07/10/2000 at 18:05, you wrote: Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot send any mail to that address, all bounce. It says my ip is on a reject list. That usually happens when you're using some nifty program that sends email direct. You should use your ISP's SMTP server to avoid it... -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Slow changing folders
I'm sure this was mentioned before, but can't find where. My inbox has only 233 messages in it, but when I switch to it from a different folder it can sit chugging at the disk for 10-15 seconds before actually showing the contents! Perhaps it's fragmented or something, is there a command to 'defrag' the database? I don't fancy devoting the day to Windows defragging the whole disk. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" -- James, LBC PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Slow changing folders
My inbox has only 233 messages in it, but when I switch to it from a different folder it can sit chugging at the disk for 10-15 seconds before actually showing the contents! Perhaps it's fragmented or something, is there a command to 'defrag' the database? I don't fancy devoting the day to Windows defragging the whole disk. Doh nevermind, found the "compress all folders" menu item :) Was half expecting a ctrl-shift-alt-win-q or something, hehe. Now opens in half a second, and saved 98 megs! -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" -- James, LBC PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
Hi Marck, On Saturday 23/09/2000 at 21:20, you wrote: RBBC Now that egroups.com has moved the ad that appears on all their "free" RBBC lists to the top of the message where it's even more annoying than it RBBC was before, has anybody worked out a way to filter that junk out of RBBC incoming text messages? No, but I have just adapted the PGP Signature stripper to do the job of filtering it out of reply quoting (what? ... is that cheering I hear around the members?). It works for me and strips both egroups headers and / or PGP signing blocks automatically. Works well ;) Perhaps someone would like to also make one that strips out signatures where the dash-dash-space that denotes the beginning of a signature is mangled by PGP to become dash-space-dash-dash. It'd be real nice to get rid of all 3! Starting to like those regexp things... -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
DL Perhaps someone would like to also make one that strips out DL signatures where the dash-dash-space that denotes the beginning DL of a signature is mangled by PGP to become dash-space-dash-dash. DL It'd be real nice to get rid of all 3! That one should be doing it already (I already changed it)! Doesn't seem to. Perhaps it's to do with it needing to be on one line.. it kinda refuses to :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
DL Perhaps someone would like to also make one that strips out DL signatures where the dash-dash-space that denotes the beginning DL of a signature is mangled by PGP to become dash-space-dash-dash. DL It'd be real nice to get rid of all 3! That one should be doing it already (I already changed it)! Sorted :) Guess I just discovered another side-effect of auto-format. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Slow changing folders
DL Now opens in half a second, and saved 98 megs! g Nevertheless, I defrag my disk every month or so. The way output onto disk works, it makes good sense. ;-) Using NTFS here, but it seems that Microsoft's old claims of it being non-fraggable are untrue :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NTFS defragging (was: Slow changing folders)
Hi Karin, On Sunday 24/09/2000 at 19:45, you wrote: Using NTFS here, but it seems that Microsoft's old claims of it being non-fraggable are untrue :) How do you defrag NTFS disks? Do you use DiskKeeper? I'm running Win2000, which finally has Defrag built in :) It's actually just a version of DiskKeeper that Microsoft licensed. Just finished defragging it (I decided to after all) - Win2K doesn't have as big a problem as NT4 apparently had, but it still gets fragmented fairly quickly. So once every month I'll kick Seti out of the way and let it do a defrag overnight instead :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
Hi Marck, On Saturday 23/09/2000 at 23:32, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Deryk, On 23 September 2000 at 23:09:53 GMT +0100 (which was 23:09 where I live) Deryk Lister wrote and made these points on the subject of "Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?": DL Maybe I'm more lame than I thought ;) From a filtering newbie DL point of view, how does one set this up? As I said in the original post: - -8- I keep this regex in a Quick Template called REQ and have %QINCLUDED="REQ" in any templates I want to use it in. - -8- Of course, it should read %QINCLUDE="REQ" and I omitted to say that you have to replace the %QUOTES macro in your reply templates with the %QINCLUDE="REQ" statement. I ah... think that makes sense :) It's 1.18am however, and so I'll work it out in the morning yawn g'night! -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" -- James, LBC PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours
How would you create a filter to do this? I know how to create a filter to apply a colour group. What I don't know is how you would define which messages would be assigned this colour group. That is, what do you do to get TB to identify the messages that are replies to your messages? Check the rest of the thread for a full explanation, we seem to have it sussed. If you only use one email address, it's quite simple. Create an inbox filter that looks for "\[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the kludges ie. it's in the format "\d@your email domain" for every email address you have. In the actions - tell it to set a certain colour format. Under options, tell it to continue processing other filters and to use regular expressions. This'll identify messages written by you as well - if you don't want that, just add another rule that it shouldn't find your full email address present in the "From" field. This only works with replies from email clients that use in-reply-to and/or reference headers (ie the ones that work with "thread by reference") but most of them do anyway. In threads, it highlights anything "under" one of your posts, eg. if someone replies to you, then somebody else replies to *that* reply, that message will also be marked. I like it that way - it keeps track not only of messages directly to you but also messages "caused" by something you said. Easiest way to understand is to try it. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: An idea/question about message colours
Hi Ming-Li, Some interesting notes :) In general it works with "most" cases so that's good enough for me. The heroic AMEOL wasn't magic either (nor was it as good as TB overall, it just had some neat ideas). I'm more than happy with the results of this filter. Of course if anyone comes up with something which works even better (or indeed if it's implemented in the next version) I'll be most pleased. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours
(or indeed if it's implemented in the next version) The idea of flawless tracing of replies to your own comments, that is, not the patchy-but-helpful filter ;) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" -- James, LBC PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: An idea/question about message colours
Hi Thomas, On Thursday 21/09/2000 at 04:42, you wrote: I sent a filter off-list yesterday for a similar question. The TB user wanted to copy ML postings that are addressed to him into a special folder. As soon as I get home, I will post it here; insterad of "copy to folder", you can change it to "user colour group red". So far, I have it set up so that if anything has my name in the recipient - it's in the red colour group and high priority. If there's a key for "go to next high priority message" then we're laughing :) Of course, this won't work for a lot of other mailing lists that hide the recipient field and replace it with its own address. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours
Of course, this won't work for a lot of other mailing lists that hide the recipient field and replace it with its own address. Almost got it. I need the filter to be able to search for deryk.co.uk in the "In-reply-To" or "References" kludge. How about wildcards? I was hoping it would be possible to look for "In-reply-To:*deryk.co.uk" in the kludges. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours
Got it! Rule Source folder: Inbox Move to: Inbox String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: Kludges Presence: Yes Alternatives Each one is a separate 'set' of alternatives. String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: Kludges Presence: Yes String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: Kludges Presence: Yes etc all the way up to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actions ~~~ Set message priority to High Set the message's colour group to RED. Options ~~~ Continue processing with other filters Explanation: Any messages that either I have written or that is a reply to one of my messages, has "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the message ID, references or in-reply-to headers. So I made a filter that looks for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" etc up to 9 (by using the "Alternatives" tab). That way, if the headers conform to RFC (ie the message ID is in the format number@deryk.co.uk) then this filter will do the job :) Any messages on a list that aren't written by me or comments referring to my own message, doesn't have the ID in so is ignored. Complicated, but it works :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
An idea/question about message colours
After mentioning a program called AMEOL a few days ago, I thought of another thing I found useful in its built-in email :) When you post or make a comment, it notices. When someone reples to a comment that you have posted (ie. they are addressing YOU), the message is automatically marked red (priority colour) as are any more comments under it. If you collapse the thread, the root message is coloured red. That way, you can see at a glance if anyone has replied to one of your posts/comments. Cool huh? It also has a button whereby you can jump to the next new "priority" message, so that if you're in a hurry you can reply to your own conversations and leave the reading of other people's for later on. Is this possible in TB as it is, with filters and such? If not, how about putting it down as a possible feature to add :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Karin and The Bat
I know many of you follow the (limited) fixed width fonts with evangelical fervour, but I don't like the way they look. And I prefer something like Editpad to The Bat's internal editor. I can't even get the PGP 2.6.3 executable function to work! If you want to see my idea of a really good email editor (although it's not such a good client) check out AMEOL from www.ameol.com It's designed for an old conferencing system in the UK called CIX - some people still use it as a nice moderated alternative to usenet - but the thing I really like about the client is the message editor. You know how email is wrapped at 82 characters by standard. You know how in TB, whilst you're editing a message it wraps the words just nicely to fit. However - what if I was to go back to the above paragraph and add a few words to the first line? In TB, the line just gets longer than 82 characters and you have to do a manual ALT-L to put the paragraph back in place. In AMEOL, there is a solid barrier at 82 characters. No matter how hard you try, you can't go over it :) It's a system that I really like - because you know for certain that how an email appears is the same as how it will be recieved, without pressing any hotkeys. Everything about that editor is exactly how I think TB's should be. If you set it up to do so, it will keep all lines at exactly 82 characters long by a more traditional form of wordwrap - if you finish a line with a long word, it will split the word up between 2 lines with a dash. For exam- ple... like that :) Having said that, I think it should be an option whether users want to use fixed-width or proportional fonts - many people use Outlook anyway so it can't do any harm now to have the option. But I'd really like to see that "bug" with editing existing lines fixed if anything... -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: (No Subject)
Hi Chuck, On Wednesday 20/09/2000 at 00:02, you wrote: Ah, testing the attachment removed bug, right? -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Actually, no, removing myself from both lists and forgetting about the folder's addressing override. Not to worry. Gone now. :-) (or very shortly, anyway) That's a shame. Bye then! -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: attachment removed
Hi Mark, On Monday 18/09/2000 at 18:52, you wrote: What is this? which is suddenly appearing on most of my mail from TBUDL [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ] Is it your server or mine? MDaemon is a *NIX mail system, so I'm guessing it's theirs. Do you include a VCard with all your posts? The mailing list probably deletes them automatically. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[2]: attachment removed
DL MDaemon is a *NIX mail system, so I'm guessing it's theirs. DL Do you include a VCard with all your posts? The mailing list probably DL deletes them automatically. I've noticed this as well. At first I thought it was only present on PGP signed mail but it appears not. It also appeared on your posting Deryk so unless you sent your Vcard it can't be that. Odd :) I don't send Vcards or anything, and the message appeared exactly as I sent it. Must be a temporary glitch ) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[2]: attachment removed
DL MDaemon is a *NIX mail system, ACM Actually there's a windows version available. :-) ACM See www.mdaemon.com ... and equally actually it's *only* a Windows version (9x, NT, 2k, Me) - not *nix at all ;-p. Interesting :) I'm sure there was an mdaemon when I was playing with Linux.. but perhaps I got it mixed up with a Windoze thing. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
110 messages?
STFU ya sad lot :) Just like two religions, you could argue till you're both blue in the face and still get nowhere... -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Steve had some pretty serious personality problems I think, especially with coming to terms with people disagreeing with him. Whilst I'm certain some of his contributions were appreciated, his attidude towards people with a different opinion certainly wasn't. Sad to say it, but I think his departure will do the list a whole lot of good. The tendency to rise to flamebait even if it isn't vaguely intended as such, made threads spiral out of control... 750K worth of a slanging match is no fun to download. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Subj: Sending mail without SMTP server.
Hi Rrhankins, On Thursday 31/08/2000 at 16:40, you wrote: My office network has no SMTP server, and my ISP will not allow me to remotely send mail through their SMTP server. I thought The Bat would allow me to send mail by acting as a SMTP server (or using a remote server?). Can someone help me with this??? TB doesn't do this, but there's a program called VPOP3 from www.pscs.co.uk which acts as an SMTP server and sends email direct. It's sometimes a problem if you're using a popular ISP though. They usually hand out dynamic IP addresses, which have already been used by other people to spam with. That IP address, when reported, gets into the Realtime Blackhole List (RBL). When you take on that dynamic IP address you get its reputation as well. Most ISPs add a header onto email if the sender IP matches one in the RBL, then many of the more popular email clients say "bleh, that's spam" and throw it away. The point being that if you mail direct, the email is seen as coming from *your* assigned IP address and could be ignored if a spammer on the same ISP was given that address. If you use an SMTP server though, it doesn't happen. The ISP takes responsibility for its reputation. Conclusion: It's possible, but comes with much greater risk of the recipient not seeing the mail. Thank spammers. HTH "Don't touch that IP address! You don't know where it's been!" -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "... Whatever" -- Squall Leonhart PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)
It's all sorted now. The nai PGP servers (ie certserv.pgp.com) now filter out keys with bogus ADK packets, and there's a new version 6.5.8 available from www.pgpi.com I'm sure anyone who's serious with PGP keeps it updated anyway, so it should be fine ;) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "... Whatever" -- Squall Leonhart PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr20PGP20Key You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Gaping hole in NAI PGP
Wot ho chaps, Was only going to mention it to a few people, but thought it worth mentioning on here. Sorry it's SOT: This was reported on Slashdot recently... visit the link: http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/0824naipgp.html?nf If I understand this right, it basically makes PGP almost completely worthless. A public key can be tweaked whilst keeping the fingerprint the same, and then re-uploaded to the keyservers or handed out to others on your behalf. If someone sends mail to this tweaked key, you can still decode it - but so can the cracker! There's not a lot you can do about it; all keys made with Nai's PGP 5 or greater have this flaw. This problem apparently doesn't affect GPG - I'm just waiting for a GUI Win32 version of it (and a Bat plugin - hint hint) then I'll most likely revoke the PGP keys right away :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "... Whatever" -- Squall Leonhart PGP welcomed - get the key off my automated email client: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr20PGP20Key No third party or keyserver is to be trusted due to recent flaws. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Hi!!!
Hi Viktor, On Wednesday 23/08/2000 at 19:04, you wrote: I'm talking from Brazil, and I'm new on this list, hope help and be helped too. See you soon. Sincerly, this is the BEST e-mail program that I ever seen. It is indeed :) Welcome aboard - grab some asbestos underwear and take a seat. (Just kidding, we're all friendly really!) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: VOTE against the newsreader integrated in the next version of the bat? E-mail ritlabs?
I would have to be one to vote against. I've seen all this before, when a simple program tries to be a load of other things at the same time and turns into a bloat or something else horrible. Some examples from the past of things that have started off simple and powerful, but turned into feature bloats or other messy results: Netscape Navigator -- Netscape Communicator Mirabilis ICQ -- AOL ICQ, Windows 95 -- Windows 98 (or IE3 -- IE4) Standard sound drivers -- Creative Live!ware type packages Linux Kernel -- GNU Linux So some may be debatable, particularly the latter in this supposed OS revolution. But I see all of them as things that started off as simple and promising, yet ended up with a ton of extra addons and features that turned them into something horrible. IMNSHO. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Effective Immediately
Hi Curtis, On Thursday 10/08/2000 at 23:04, you wrote: Living dangerously Joe? :-/ Didn't you read the Moderators post earlier. Now is *definitely* not the time. Quite an entertaining pair those two... But even I'm getting bored of it now :) Here are two filters that some people may find useful for reducing the number of messages to read through: String: Joe Finocchiaro Location: Sender Presence: Yes String: Steve Lamb Location: Recipient Presence: Yes Actions: Delete the message String: Steve Lamb Location: Sender Presence: Yes String: Joe Finocchiaro Location: Recipient Presence: Yes Actions: Delete the message Of course it would be better if those two would get along, but ISTM there is more chance of longstanding peace in the Middle East! -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?
Hi starc, This subject title doesn't give you a very good "first impressions" rating. But I don't believe in that anyway, as I was a pain when I first joined myself (still am in a few ways, but I try). Nobody seems to be discriminating you, but it's a widely based opinion that mailing lists are far easier to manage than newsgroups, and have less spam. This is the view on all mailing lists I participate in, and though it took me a short while to understand, it makes a lot of sense now. There are a ton of factors that make mailing lists better. Please take the time to look at the differences closely, and understand that there are some people who strongly wish to defend the mailing list technique. May I also suggest you don't use "cuz" and "u" rather than "because" and "you". I'm not having a go here, so please don't be offended. I've been through all the documents about getting along with people on mailing lists (which greatly reduces your chances of getting into flame wars and/or getting banned) and taking the effort to write proper English is a large factor. Tempting as it is to type "u", it's seen as ignorant by some people to spend less effort on the keyboard to save a couple of milliseconds typing a full word. Acronyms might be like this, but they have been around for so long I think they are accepted IMHO ;) You are quite right to ask a question, but you need to be prepared for the answers - all public discussion groups need members with thick skin. If it's highly debatable, people will debate highly ^_^ I'll snip the quotes - I think we get the gist. If you can handle the heat of online discussions, please do so. However, I suspect you will need to learn to tolerate those with a different opinion who may express it harshly. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Effective Immediately
Hi Joe, On Thursday 10/08/2000 at 20:27, you wrote: snip I think the program is arbitrarily inserting that quote code "" in there, but I can't figure out why. It's not a quote, and I don't think Leif typed that "". So why do these things keep popping up in so many of my messages? Odd, it doesn't appear on mine, and I haven't seen it do so yet... -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
DLDoes make you wonder if 6K is a bit big for a 5 line message ;) While not a flame this is Des trying to drop me in it for dual signing. Essentially this is more elegant than a flame, as it asks the moderators to attack someone rather than the flamer attacking them. Which, I might note, is just what he did to me :) The thing I'm poking at though is the S/MIME standard, not the person who uses it. Everyone tries to get people to conserve bandwidth, then along come Microsoft with HTML email and S/MIME to blow it all away :) Makes you wonder if MS have shares with [insert your phone company here] -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
Hi Thomas, On Tuesday 08/08/2000 at 10:39, you wrote: I own up. This is Jamie Dainton pretending to be Thomas. At first glance this e-mail should look like it came from him. Who really checks the headers? Same people who bother to check the signatures ;) Basically what TB needs is automatic checking/snipping of PGP, then we'll all be happy. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Signing of Messages (Was: Re: List server rules)
Hi Steve, On Tuesday 08/08/2000 at 14:26, you wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 01:17:26AM +0100, Deryk Lister wrote: Not really. S/MIME insists on including the entire certificate, whilst the PGP version (key) has the nice friendly download-it-manually method :) You're joking, right? That has GOT to be a joke. Who the hell would make a bonehead move like that? They did though didn't they, unless I have it wrong? I don't think Microsoft invented S/MIME (which would explain everything as well) but they were certainly behind it a lot. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Signing of Messages (Was: Re: List server rules)
Hi Steve, On Tuesday 08/08/2000 at 16:31, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 8:20:58 AM, Deryk wrote: I don't think Microsoft invented S/MIME (which would explain everything as well) but they were certainly behind it a lot. Certainly reason right there to ignore it. WTF was RIT thinking when they implemented it? That energy should have been put into a decent PGP implementation. Probably down to the idea that everyone already has S/MIME built into OE, and it's at least better than nothing. It's been proven that people would rather stick with lesser quality built-in stuff than take the effort to download the nicer alternatives, which is what seeded the MS/DoJ thing. Given the choice between sending a mail plain (say about an Ebay item, which is where it's a little more useful) or sending it S/MIME signed I'd rather it was at least capable of the latter. It's better than nothing... much as I wish MS would build PGP into Windows one day. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: text editor to remove duplicate lines?
Hi Jamie, On Wednesday 02/08/2000 at 20:32, you wrote: SL The GNU text utils would work wonders here. SL type file | sort | uniq file.new snip I've never used GNU text editing tools. You don't know what you're missing :) I'm not Linux's no.1 fan anymore (in some ways it's *very* difficult to use, but I refuse to discuss that on this list). However: the GNU tools are extremely useful and a lot easier to use than you think... I think they were ported to Win32 as well, which makes Steve's point more valid to those who aren't Linux zealots. I think my fave GNU tool has to be grep... for example: Suppose you had a list of email addresses that you pulled from the TBUDL list. You want to find anyone who uses AOL, to place in a killfile (hey, I'm still allowed to be evil!) You type "cat tbudladdresses.txt | grep aol" and it would list anyone with AOL in their address. You then export the output to a real "kill file". Super! -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "..." -- Cid, after feeding him a fish PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: List server rules
Hi Jamie, On Monday 07/08/2000 at 09:49, you wrote: I was looking for PIC info and found this list of ideal ListServer rules. It might be worth looking at and possibly incorporating some of them into the TB! welcome message. http://www.myke.com/piclist/ Here's another good one: http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/dis.html There's also "Netiquette" aka. RFC 1855 - that's basically about being a nice guy online :) Part of which is posting to mailing lists... this one is pretty big and detailed. http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Does make you wonder if 6K is a bit big for a 5 line message ;) Not that it matters that much, but I keep all the security stuff switched off for mailing lists now. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading question
Hi Katsmeow, On Monday 07/08/2000 at 17:45, you wrote: Most has been said now, but it's worth noting that some email clients still don't create the In-reference-to(?) header needed for ref threading. Also a couple of mailing lists I'm on actually strip out all the non-essential headers like that, forcing you to use By Subject. At least try "reference" mode to start with, it's nicer IMHO with the reply-to-reply-to-reply structure vs the other one where it's a single "layer" of replies. The only flaw is when one of those with an old client comes along and his reply starts a new thread in your view :) Of course, it works perfectly in TBUDL and TBBETA since we all use TB :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Signing of Messages (Was: Re: List server rules)
Some argue digital signatures don't belong in Public Mailing Lists, yet I would argue otherwise. PGP, GPG signatures are ok. But that travesty called S/MIME has got to go! 2870 bytes to sign something far less than that!? Yep :) Personally I'm not having a go at the people who use it (doesn't look like you are either), especially since S/MIME support is still early in TB and needs to be tested. The thing that bugs me is that it exists to start with :) It's just an extra standard for Microsoft to build into everything, and there are far better equivalents (PGP,GPG) around. PGP is fine for mailing lists... takes up almost nothing. It's @045 already... bed time this side of the world :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Signing of Messages (Was: Re: List server rules)
SL PGP, GPG signatures are ok. But that travesty called S/MIME has got SL to go! 2870 bytes to sign something far less than that!? Yeah, the signatures are too long. Do they really have to be that long to maintain the desired standard of authentication? Not really. S/MIME insists on including the entire certificate, whilst the PGP version (key) has the nice friendly download-it-manually method :) Suppose S/MIME is handy for sending to lazy OE users who don't download PGP to check things with, but in general I trust PGP and GPG far more and generally like them... (reason I trust the latter: they aren't heavily backed by big corporates. I wonder if AOL is in there with S/MIME? If so, they probably have a back door in place already) Soon as GPG for Win32 gets a decent interface, I'll switch to that :) Open Source encryption techniques (GPG) are debatable, but I prefer to see what they're up to. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Threading question
We do? Apart from a few unbelievers / nobodys ;) -- DL (snip sig to compensate for OTness) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Huh? I don't own this mailing list!
The above quote is what I often get in other mailing lists where nobody's heard of TB :) You see, I reply to Joe User, and it sets the To: line as Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] But Joe doesn't understand because I appear to be calling Fred's mailing list "Joe User". Quite often, Joe thinks I'm implying that he owns the list :) Is there a way to switch off that feature in a particular folder to reduce confusion? i.e. To becomes: Fred's Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] and no specific names. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Stupid Question #348
Hi Joe, On Saturday 05/08/2000 at 00:15, you wrote: Is this a bug? Or am I just doing something else wrong? Sometimes when I reply to a message and *delete* enough old irrelevant text, I lose the scroll bars on the right and can't scroll back up to see the remaining contents in the message. Smells like a bug to me. I'm very often snipping quotes, and never had anything that bad. This is with 1.46 B2 as well - what's your version? -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Stupid Question #348
Hi Joe, On Saturday 05/08/2000 at 01:25, you wrote: DL Smells like a bug to me. I'm very often snipping quotes, and never DL had anything that bad. Okay...how bad? Er, actually I've never had anything bad happen at all when doing that. DL This is with 1.46 B2 as well - what's your DL version? 1.45, I presume. It happened again when I replied to your message. If it hadn't been for my scrollwheel mouse (it scrolled, but there were no scroll bars visible when it did), I would have needed to start over again, like in the past. After I was finally able to scroll up with the scrollwheel mouse, the scroll bars magically appeared. Strange, eh? Very. Very strange indeed Consider uninstalling your mouse software and see if that cures it? I haven't heard anyone yelling about this yet and you're not using a beta, so something just isn't right. After that, try reinstalling Windows. After that (!) back up the important stuff and reformat. Hopefully it won't come to that though... -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Expanding trees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think this has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer... In "Thread by references" view, when I open a thread I want it all expanded, not just the first 'layer' of replies. Is that possible? - -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOYlaBw75xx+xD8DeEQKlfACcCuFKz51kNyQiHd90m58ibqkxkP0AoOXa Sp8nU4jQ5nFflgNICfqg9dVs =2rtG -END PGP SIGNATURE- S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: Expanding trees
Hi Ming-Li, On Thursday 03/08/2000 at 13:11, you wrote: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.eng Thanks, didn't know there was a list of the hidden keys... They should consider including more menu items one day, it's getting a bit like vi :) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Sorry if you've seen this before...
But I'm still recovering from it :) GATES COMPUTERS vs GM CARS At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon." In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating (by Mr. Welch himself): If General Motors had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics: 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you'd have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You'd just calmly accept this, restart your car, and then drive on. 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart. Then, you'd have to reinstall the engine. 5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought "Car95" or "CarNT." But then you'd have to buy more seats. 6. Apple Computer would make a car that was solar powered, more reliable, five times faster and twice as easy to drive, but would only run on five per cent of the roads. 7. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single "General Car Fault" warning light. 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. 9. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before activating. 10. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you back in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. 11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary) even though they'd neither want nor need them. Attempting to refuse this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department. 12. Every time GM introduced a new model, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as before. 13. You'd press the "Start" button to shut off your engine. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk PGP welcomed - the link below will automatically send you my keys. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Sorry if you've seen this before...
JDB Deryk are you trying to take my record for being slapped with trouts. JDB It's no fun at all. Yes, I think it is a pain :) There is pretty nice place for such postings: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bah, humourless lot. Probably the thing that makes the most traffic is when everyone whines about a post that's off-topic! Just read it or ignore it - it's only a joke, and seemed worthy of everyone seeing it (not just the very few that read ebot) -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Sorry if you've seen this before...
Seen it. Consider yourself trouted. I'm not humourless but I don't approve of the list being used for any sort of publishing, even if it's only for a joke. I make no apologies. Don't do it again. Nag nag nag... I see some things haven't changed while I was away :) Just forget about it, and pardon me for breathing. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Exporting TB to OE55
Hi Michael, On Wednesday 02/08/2000 at 15:51, you wrote: short of emailing the messages back to myself, does anyone know of a way to export messages in TB so that they can be read by Outlook Express 5.5? Remove threading with Alt-0 to see all messages, highlight the ones that need to be exported, then export to .MSG files in a temp directory. Drop into a DOS prompt, change to the directory and do ren *.msg *.eml Open outlook express, open the temp folder beside it, use ctrl-a to highlight all the .eml files, then drag and drop them into the OE inbox or one of its folders (on the tree view). HTH PS. I'm back - somebody needs to keep "JD" under control :p -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Double posts?
Am I alone in getting double posts here? It may well be at my end, since I'm running Linux and PINE for email at the moment, and I'm not too good at setting them up... Oddly enough, the double posts don't happen every time. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || http://www.deryk.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading (was: Bat wont collect any POP3)
Berkeley mail does not support threading. It probably does not support "In-reply-To:" and "References:" headers either. Even if it did, the fact that I write all of my e-mail from scratch instead of using Berkeley mail's "reply" function would effectively disable this feature. Interesting. I'm using Pine at the moment under Linux (TB doesn't work too well in Wine), so I'm curious to see if this client kills off the extra headers as well. It doesn't support threading, but it does fully support mailing list headers - and actively uses them - so I wonder what will happen. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || http://www.deryk.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gary, On Thursday 06/29/2000 at 19:16, you wrote: Hey, you think this editor is rough, you should play with Emacs. :-) shudder Or vi To much Linux... think *nice* thoughts... - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOVvBDHOnWdt5ttqvEQL1rwCgnVKVAX7QNiV5IXHsuDWXFpYC7cIAoN+Z yG9p16TMkqbi2GW97a1VAc40 =lF+c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chuck, On Tuesday 27/06/2000 at 11:47, you wrote: I've been hanging around, as well, for the long-dangled v2.x, but I'm beginning to look around now for alternatives. I've looked. I've searched far and wide... and the next best thing I can find, of all the options, is MS LookOut Suxpress :) Living in hope of 2.0. It can't be any later than the other things I'm looking forward to... Linux kernel 2.4, Windows Neptune, WW2 Online, Air Warrior 4, Netscape 6, IE6... everything gets put back months at a time :) - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOVk6TnOnWdt5ttqvEQKBOgCfegcS3zyh6uDtxV9A5+ajZvhzRM0AoN1R IwDU2rw9EwL0HzjQyyvWuRJY =x4Bq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sorry/Sending hundreds of mails to TBUDL and TBBETA - JJD17/06/2000
Hi Jamie, On Saturday 17/06/2000 at 13:01, you wrote: Hello Everybody, Just an e-mail to apologize for sending the huge amount of mails to the lists. I was trying to write an auto receipt tool and forgot to exclude the lists. Sorry about that, the filter is now well and truly deleted. I didn't see these hundreds of mails. Perhaps they got killed :) -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Should Replies to Encrypted Messages be Encrypted?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On Monday 12/06/2000 at 20:09, you wrote: What are others thoughts on whether or not replies to encrypted messages should be encrypted as well? Would it not be the most prudent thing to do? Would we not be somewhat careless if we sent the reply in plain text, thereby giving no consideration as to Senders reasons for encrypting the message in the first place? I don't think it would be a good idea if it were possible to reply in plain text to an encrypted message - it kinda defeats the objective of encrypting it in the first place :) I think it's best that no email client is even capable of it, really... nothing like a hacker finding sensitive information in the reply text of a message. "Just My 2c/2p/2c" - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOUU/3HOnWdt5ttqvEQLzVwCgsBjIqYlS68TACYsC1Q4NAukETIQAn0O5 njpm2sNSsqz4uumqmy2vDDx4 =W6pC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! Memory Leak?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, On Sunday 11/06/2000 at 00:31, you wrote: Hi, I just now noted that TB! was using a whopping 37MB of memory. I closed and restarted it and the memory consumption was 6MB. I've noted that the memory consumption increases with each mail check or send operation. Each check or send increases the memory consumption here by approximately 100kb. Anyone else noting this? I just recieved 38 messages, and it took about 5 minutes to import them all. The hard disk is still chugging! This is after upgrading to Windows Millennium RC0 - perhaps the hard drive needs a defrag after installing all those files. (Still using 1.41 cos I couldn't see any reason to upgrade) - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOUPPk3OnWdt5ttqvEQII6QCfRCT8+UO7FpLr8A7cGZpE3tC5q+0AnRY2 6AHijv35W+O7huI00gH0INIs =VTcs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! Memory Leak?
Regarding my post about chugging in WinME... it was nothing to do with TB! In fact, I booted up the system without launching it and as soon as I moved the mouse pointer the hard disk started chugging - and continued to do so even after a 10 minute walk to the shop! A reformat did the disk good, freed up several gigabytes, and got me to install TB 1.44 at last :p About installing 1.44 - what a nightmare! I had backed up the MAIL directory from 1.41, and the only way to get all the messages back was by installing 1.41 first and then upgrading :) Installing 1.44 alone left me with blank inboxes, and that ctrl-shift-alt-wotsit didn't work :) -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Is TB supposed to work in Windows 3.1?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all... Well well, I got TB to work in Win3.1! Took a little tweaking ;) Check the screenshot http://www.cloudk.clara.net/tb31.jpg Heh, just kidding. I've been playing around with Windowblinds (www.windowblinds.net) which alters the window borders, buttons etc. I found a skin to make it look exactly like Win3.1 :) I was going to use the OS/2 skin and say I'd got it running on that, but... who would care :p - -- Deryk Lister ICQ 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOUGKkHOnWdt5ttqvEQI20QCfTfjw37l2ygV9jrpPK1UDW1ih5SQAn1hu MqlR6r/UX0VyVjm3x4rUGhZe =PJzW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Palm support?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all... Anyone know of a program that will synchronise TB with a PalmOS handheld? I know it's pretty unlikely (ok VERY unlikely) but it's worth asking :) The thought came when I saw a "Palm Conduit for Delphi" which would allow the development of palm conduits in Delphi 5. Thought maybe a better programmer than I, would know what the smeg that means :) - -- Deryk Lister ICQ 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOUAn13OnWdt5ttqvEQJIpQCcCVWym5oiOGBtBCWCA0uI3iMjoeYAoMn6 xnx8g0YgCsTLY6vmEeevHfiC =gHkh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply-To or From?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ooh my pet hate... sarcastic answers... On Thursday 25/05/00 at 16:49, Steve wrote: Wednesday, May 24, 2000, 3:02:55 PM, Deryk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- could anybody point me towards a possibility of making it an option to reply to the Reply-To or the From field? I'd like to see this as well. Why? It works now. Hit reply, reply-to is used. Use CNTL-F4, From is used. What am I missing here? I think you're missing something called tolerance? Guess you're a Linux user, they too answer as if talking to a complete idiot or drunken sailor... For what it's worth, I didn't spot that hidden in the "Specials" submenu as the first poster evidently didn't. But thanks for the suggestion... and the opportunity to grumble at someone :-) - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOS1mJnOnWdt5ttqvEQLUbwCg+xDzj7nWyboIOCl+ICZYL9y8al8AoO4T abeQf4kwrv29V/ngEjSw10lD =/WdF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply-To or From?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, On Thursday 25/05/2000 at 22:24, you wrote: Thursday, May 25, 2000, 10:43:02 AM, Deryk wrote: Ooh my pet hate... sarcastic answers... Who said it was sarcastic. Seems like you're reading something that isn't there. That's a personal problem. You ain't seen me sarcastic. You don't /want/ to see me sarcastic. 2 lines ain't sarcastic. 2 /paragraphs/ is. I was wondering if I honestly missed something. Point taken. I know it's not easy understanding newbie users of a program (well, fairly newbie).. guess I just had a hard day (exams) and you just happened to get in the way ;) Sorry. Last word on subject at moderator's request! - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOS2lDHOnWdt5ttqvEQIsmgCgnjFD++tXYCcvG7aArXWWo02P5i4An2mO W1Cx4GeGlbt0uD3wqUkw/Oav =3PQS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply-To or From?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Eberhard, On Wednesday 24/05/2000 at 20:16, you wrote: could anybody point me towards a possibility of making it an option to reply to the Reply-To or the From field? I'd like to see this as well. I always make it a practise on mailing lists to have a mailto line (see sig) to give people the ability to reply direct just by clicking the link. If you set the ?subject= line, you can use this to filter personal responses to your posts to something like a "TBUDL personal replies" folder. Of course, there's no point in threading if everything has the same title - but it works good for me. - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOSxRj3OnWdt5ttqvEQKlvQCg6ydNFj59wirC14aIWFRZk9reuyMAoJAw ZajO6Nf0IX0AFYlw5Fv7ioGF =qzHB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: resend
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi tracer, On Tuesday 23/05/2000 at 02:46, you wrote: 1. In case anyone was expecting emails from me, it seems that most mail send out since the 8th never went further then the SMTP! As I was very busy I didnt really notice it. 2. It means though that I sorely miss an option to click on a send msg and resend it via whatever current smtp is for the account... Short answer: There is a program for Windows that is similar to Linux's "Sendmail" called VPOP3, so you can bypass those awful SMTP servers that ISPs supply. Long answer: I think I understand your problem (certainly the first one) and have a possible solution. Check out http://www.pscs.co.uk/vpop3 This neat program VPOP3 is mainly for the likes of home networks or small offices, but it has a handy feature that I use for sending mail. It's a POP3/SMTP server for Windows basically. Not that I use the POP3 part of it... The main point is that VPOP3 will allow "MX Sending" which essentially means it *itself* is an SMTP server. Suppose this program is installed on your PC, and is the same PC as the one with TB installed. All you do is replace the SMTP setting with 127.0.0.1 - which is always the address of your own machine. Rather than have it use an SMTP server itself, you can tell VPOP3 to send the mail directly to the destination using MX records, cutting out the middle man ISP. No more unreliable SMTP servers, no more changing the setting when you switch ISP (because most ISPs will only allow you to access their SMTP server if you're dialed into them). Not certain if this is what you're looking for, but it's worth mentioning as it was a godsend for me! - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOSrfYnOnWdt5ttqvEQKvCwCfSP+rk5wbzQYYFlNsODhJ34sdnaAAoN1N FOrdmF+usXNTL3i2SXdeGR15 =vFX3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: resend
Yeah I'm talking to myself but addressing the list, On Tuesday 23/05/2000 at 20:43, I wrote: I think I understand your problem (certainly the first one) and have a possible solution. Check out http://www.pscs.co.uk/vpop3 Does anyone know why this line-splitting happens? You know, where one line has one word in it, in this case just a letter 'a'. Basically where long sentences are split up like this before they continue. I'm assuming it's something to do with the PGP signing, but I don't know of a cure. Any help appreciated. Not signing this one, but it's me anyway :-) DL. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: resend
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On Tuesday 23/05/2000 at 21:46, you wrote: It ist the autoformat option when the text is marked as quotet with ** charakters then the line is getting longer and needs to be split up! That would make sense. But my original post didn't have the symbols before it, only the reply to it :) IYSWIM. - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOSsB0nOnWdt5ttqvEQI0NACfTvTmUweUiBhN1K2IeEYbh2neb1EAoJLr SvQd/jq/DP4jPljN641IWnkD =cK0Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Request: The Bat for Linux!
I would really like to see The Bat ported to Linux. Please reply here if you agree, then I will forward the thread to Ritlabs... if there are enough of us willing to pay for a Linux version then perhaps they will consider looking in to the idea. -- Deryk Lister ICQ 25869912 http://www.cloudk.clara.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Request: The Bat for Linux!
Hi Sashka, On Sunday 12/12/1999 at 01:01, you wrote: IMHO, Ritlabs IS READING this list. And earlier today Stanislav Polozov told, that Delphi compiler for Linux is not ready yet. Ah ok, didn't think they did :) So, we keep waiting while Borland is developing Delphi for Linux. They promising to release it somewhere in q1 or q2 (don't remember exactly) of 2000. Go Borland! Glad to see Linux is really starting to make an impact. When this happens, I suspect most programs will only need a recompile and perhaps a few small tweaks to work with Linux. This could be good... -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
You have new mail regarding The Bat..
Hi! I found an excellent site for very good text-to-speech synthesis. So, here's how to get a sound "You have new mail regarding The Bat" (in a female voice) to play when you get new mail from the list :) 1. Download http://www.cloudk.clara.co.uk/thebat.wav 2. Go to the properties of your "The Bat" folder 3. Choose the sound tab, and say you want to use your own sound 4. Choose thebat.wav from wherever you downloaded it, and there you go :) Pretty cool huh? You can make more sounds at: http://www.research.att.com/~mjm/cgi-bin/ttsdemo The site says it's for demo purposes only. Not sure if I should be giving the sound away, but I'm sure they wouldn't mind me telling people how good it is :) -- Deryk Lister ICQ 25869912 http://www.cloudk.clara.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Hi Werner, I'm getting this too (just posted a message here and saw yours!) Must be a bug at their end. 8o -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com is not a moderator or member of this list.
Wow, I seem to be getting this message a lot, that's at least 3 now. Anyone else having this? -- Deryk Lister ICQ 25869912 http://www.cloudk.clara.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Millionaire (was: Re: %Cursor)
Hi Marck, On Monday 22/11/1999 at 10:25, you wrote: DL We have one in the UK called "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire" DL hosted by an irritating man called Chris Tarrant. Nah .. he's great (grate?)! Didn't you ever see TisWas or OTT? Hehe I was either very young or not born yet, but I've seen old clips :) He's a good chap most of the time (thinking "Tarrant on TV" here) but I still find him irritating on WWTBAM and OnDigital adverts G DL From what I heard, it was our idea in the UK, and it spread around DL the world like a bad smell G I believe it was bought in from the USA, although I could be wrong. There aren't many UK originated game shows - mostly the ones thought up by Bruce Forsyth (Generation game, Play Your Cards Right) and Chris Evans (Don't Forget Your Toothbrush). I've heard for certain now... it's all our fault =) The US copied the idea - in fact I think it must be an international company that makes the show, since all the graphics and the set are exactly the same. Chris Tarrant is way out of Bruce's league... Bruce _really_ sucks :) cringes at the thought of it -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Threading
Hi Roel, On Monday 22/11/1999 at 18:40, you wrote: to expand a single thread: control + to expand all threads: control * Excellent stuff, thanks! Additionally, "control -" will collapse a single thread. Any idea what will collapse all threads? It wasn't the obvious "control /" :-) -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Millionaire (was: Re: %Cursor)
Hi Christopher, On Sunday 21/11/1999 at 12:48, you wrote: The when where one answers questions by choosing one correct answer out of four? And where he has three "rescue wheels" to use? Ha, sounds like it's a common idea :) We have one in the UK called "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire" hosted by an irritating man called Chris Tarrant. You have 4 correct answers, 1 right, 3 wrong, in 15 total questions. There are 3 "lifelines" as we call them, which are to phone a friend, ask the audience or 50/50 (leave 1 right and 1 wrong answer). It's too irritating to watch though, as the host sits there for a minute asking "Are You Sure... sure sure... certain..." before letting the player answer :) From what I heard, it was our idea in the UK, and it spread around the world like a bad smell G -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Hi, and a few questions
Hello all, After a few days of setting up, I'm starting to get used to The Bat and decided it was a good time to join the mailing list. I have a couple of questions to start with: I'm using version 1.36, and I noticed from Betanews that version 1.38 beta 2 is out. I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to mail me a list of the changes between the versions? mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can. Next question is to do with replying. I noticed that when you reply to another reply eg. RE: Subject it becomes RE[2]: Subject. I've never noticed the [2] in other email clients, and it seems to upset some mailing lists. Some of the lists I subscribe to strip all the headers including message references. It doesn't bother The Bat, but people always complain when my strange RE:[2] Subject starts a new thread in Outlook Express! I'm sure there's a good reason for this, but how do I switch it off? I'd prefer everything just to be RE:. If you can't, I'd like to see it in the next version :) Excellent work with TB so far! It's far better than Outlook Express :) -- Deryk Lister ICQ 25869912 http://www.cloudk.clara.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Hi, and a few questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Alexander, On Saturday 20/11/99 at 21:10, you wrote: Next question is to do with replying. I noticed that when you reply to another reply eg. RE: Subject it becomes RE[2]: Subject. Add the %SINGLERE macro to your templates. Excellent! I'm definitely increasingly impressed with the flexibility of this program :) Methinks I will register it soon... This post also serves as a test for PGP signature, so excuse the size :P - -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCVAwUAODcU0F36okNJe+fZAQG3YQP/aJZzuJaoZiBpYFCOAsV6xRflHh/sC1RP E98GFr5rG6mw9B6ohQnNXv0eqEwoPiLuhGH2q2usdCFkA/1mbdeokZms/pm8OBvX EiW/j7+X8AfOxyFFvODlCAEGz0eKkB7F94Y9K/Tn1PF5IEpFO42HNoIaLQFieTvT 2Ngpi32YyXY= =hHJn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Hi, and a few questions
This post also serves as a test for PGP signature, so excuse the size :P Ooh... it says that the signature is invalid... I also noticed one of the dashes in my text sig has turned into a space :-) After experimenting it seems to be a bug when you have 3 dashes before a sig. Deryk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
