Re: SSL Support

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello kattack, 

On 12 October 2005, 11:33 you wrote:

> Quick  Question: Does Bat! support SSL? And if the answer is
> Yes, could you tell me where I can find the option to enable
> it for a specific account?

TB! supports TLS. SSL is for use with HTTP, i.e. secure Web pages. TLS
grew out of SSL.

You are using Gmail with TB!. Therefore, you have already established
a TLS connection. Look in Account Properties | Transport | Connection.

BTW, you have inadvertently broken a couple of mailing list rules: no
signature delimiter and starting a new thread by replying to another
message.

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Re: Thunderbird

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Nick, 

On 28 September 2005, 17:05 you wrote:

> On the subject of message indexing/searching, I'm still aching from
> the demise of Bloomba, which really seemed to be going somewhere new.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomba. Apparently, it's been
re-released as WordPerfect MAIL.

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Re: Do not play sound

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Chris, 

On 13 September 2005, 04:12 you wrote:

> Is there any way to tell The Bat! NOT to play the "new mail" sound
> when a message arrives?

You can disable sound on a folder-by-folder basis, which may do what
you want, e.g. disable messages filtered to list folders.

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Re: Server certificate problem with TLS

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Roelof, 

On 09 September 2005, 14:11 you wrote:

CT>> Mulberry lets me accept or reject a mis-matching certificate but
CT>> I can't find how to do this from TB.

> TB won't do that.

See  for a similar
discussion.

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Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Tom, 

On 09 September 2005, 07:17 you wrote:

>> You need to copy the certificate into your Address Book trusted CA
>> section.

> How do I do this? My address book has a "Certum CA Directory",
> "Netcenter Member Directory", and "Verisign", although I don't know
> what any of them mean and there's no info in the help file on them
> (I thought they had to do with LDAP for some reason, but don't know
> why I thought that now).

You should also see two red icons for "Intermediate CA" and "Trusted
CA" in your address book...

> Right-clicking gives me a menu where I can add new contacts or
> groups, but neither of those seem appropriate as I just want to add
> a certificate that says, "when you get this domainx certificate,
> it's ok if you're connecting to domainy."

However, whilst trying to replicate your issue (since my certificate
now matches the server name) I have experienced problems and cannot
get it to work permanently. Importing the certificate into the trusted
CA doesn't prevent the server hostname/certificate mismatch. Yet I do
recall having this working in the past.

Roelof says in  that this isn't
possible. If so, I must have had a work-around. Yet the only thing I
can come up with is that I used the server IP and this matched the
dummy certificate first used by my server. However, I'm sure it used
something like localhost.localdomain and not the IP address, which
rules out that idea...

Anyway, what I suggest is you try this: you import the certificate
into you trusted CA and then change your mail settings to the server
listed in the certificate not pop.fancy.org (your MX record points to
mx.futurequest.net.) It may not be your domain name but that shouldn't
be important since your hosting company supports multiple domains on
its server(s.) It's your login that matters. Whilst I tested this
approach with one of my domains successfully it may not work for you.

Anyone else care to chip in?

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Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Tom, 

On 08 September 2005, 06:49 you wrote:

> 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL.
>I'd love to use it.  Unfortunately for me, I need to access it with
>pop.fancy.org, and the host's certificate says their domain name.
>The Bat! subsequently refuses to connect.  Is there a way I can
>tell The Bat!, "yeah, I know it's the wrong hostname in the cert,
>but allow it anyway?"  I tried connecting to the hostname in the
>cert, but as I guessed previously to trying, it refused me.  I have
>been using SSH and tunnelling over that, but I'd like to get rid of
>that extra step if possible.

Yes, this is possible. You need to copy the certificate into your
Address Book trusted CA section.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Allie, 

On 23 May 2005, 21:43 you wrote:

> If only women came with pulldown menus and online help.

...and a reset button. ;-)


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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Alexander, 

On 23 May 2005, 18:10 you wrote:

>>> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like

>> No, that's nothing to do with PGP. That IP is the one issued to this PC by
>> my router... You don't want me to get rid of that as well do you?

To answer Tony's message first... I thought it could be your router.
However, I would have thought that your machine would be identified by
its name and local domain.

> The interesting thing is that everyone using Mulberry has MID's that end
> with their local IP address instead of their local domain.

I had noticed this and wondered if it was a coincidence or not.
Nonetheless, should TB! working with IP-based message IDs?

Also, will you try Mulberry with 1&1?


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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Allie, 

On 23 May 2005, 17:39 you wrote:

>> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like
>> ? Or is this the IP
>> address assigned by your router? Either way, TB! can't locate a
>> message with this type of ID. Same goes for Allie's messages, e.g.
>> .

> .. and here I was liking it, since my domain name isn't included in the
> message id. :(

Do these IP-based message IDs work with *cough* mU1b3rry?

:-)


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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Tony, 

On 23 May 2005, 16:59 you wrote:

> I tried it as well and The Bat! won't work with PGP9. However there is
> another way, Allie will shout at me for telling you this but try enabling
> email proxy in PGP9. It works here with no problems.

Does this explain why your message ID is always something like
? Or is this the IP
address assigned by your router? Either way, TB! can't locate a
message with this type of ID. Same goes for Allie's messages, e.g.
.


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Re: I need help from a specialist, urgent !!!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Claude, 

On 20 May 2005, 17:59 you wrote:

> User clauderenaud

Try using [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the userid.


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Re[2]: Special folders

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Marek, 

On 18 May 2005, 11:30 you wrote:

> yes, $QRNTN$

Cheers!


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Re[3]: Proposal for spam filters

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Steve, 

On 18 May 2005, 10:49 you wrote:

>> The best way to not falsely identify mails on this list as spam is to
>> match the Return-Path against received lines, because all this lists
>> mail have a Return-Path of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and are
>> coming from '62.80.28.8' which identifies itself as
>> 'draenor.its-toasted.org'.

> You are assuming I am using TB or a plug in to do spam filtering.
> Personally I do not even wish to download spams or viruses in the
> first place which is why I have server side filtering via Spamcop
> (which also includes Spam Assassin but I can not control their copy of
> course).

I use the following procmail rule to filter TBUDL, TBBETA etc.

# ---
# Mailman and other intelligent software lists
# (e.g. List-Post: )
#
:0
* ^List-Post: \>mail/Lists/$MATCH

To date, I have never had spam end up in my TB! folders. However, I
have had SpamAssassin incorrectly classify a couple of genuine
messages but these get to the correct folder using the above rule... I
tend to test for lists before generic spam (other than fake messages,
mailing lists etc.)

The use of subject tags is therefore redundant even though many lists
to which I subscribe use them.


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Special folders

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello tbudl, 

I've renamed a couple of folders on my IMAP server so I can take
advantage of some TB! icons:

$KNOWN$  Inbox - Known
$JUNK$   Junk mail

Is there a special folder for virus infected files?


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Re[2]: Undelete? Used for...?

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Stefan, 

On 17 May 2005, 22:06 you wrote:

>> Does anybody know what the item "undelete" (found in "Customise"
>> dialog, branch "MessageListViewer" in the left pane) is used for?

> Currently, it's used only in the browser of deleted messages. It is
> possible, we will make it possible to browse deleted messages in
> "normal" message lists (i.e. in main window and separate folder
> browser) together with "alive" messages.  :-)

Does this mean that deleted messages will be visible in the main
window and identified by strikeout text?


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Re[2]: TB! Memory Consumption

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Martin, 

On 16 May 2005, 19:48 you wrote:

>> TB! has been running for about 14 hours or so:

>> thebat.exe

>> Mem Usage: 83,372K
>> Peak Mem Usage: 95,692
>> VM Size: 76,108K

>> Upon exiting and restarting, Mem Usage is 27,135K

>> Anyone else seeing the sort of Mem Usage growth that I'm seeing here?

> Yes, very similar. Memory usage was around 150M after twenty hours
> or so. After a restart it's back to 30M. I'm using a single IMAP
> account and the Avast plug-in.

I've been monitoring this over the past couple of days and reckon it's
linked to browsing messages. I'm certainly confident it's not caused
by receiving messages; an increase in memory usage only occurs if I'm
actively using TB!, i.e. viewing messages. Memory usage didn't
increase over an eight hour period while I was away from my desk. TB!
was checking for mail every minute: a tad under 1,000 messages
received.

Try this. Restart TB! and note memory usage. Now browse your messages
with PTV or RTV and you'll see memory usage increase (just keep
clicking on messages.) Every time I choose another message or folder
the memory footprint grows. The RTV has the added problem that
messages larger than about 1M consume heaps of memory.


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Re[2]: Help! I lost my accounts

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Leif, 

On 16 May 2005, 19:44 you wrote:

> No problem.. I hasa similar issue where I wanted to move one mail
> account from TB installed on one laptop to a new laptop with TB
> installed.

You should try IMAP! >:-)


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Re: TB! Memory Consumption

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Allie, 

On 16 May 2005, 11:58 you wrote:

> TB! has been running for about 14 hours or so:

> thebat.exe

> Mem Usage: 83,372K
> Peak Mem Usage: 95,692
> VM Size: 76,108K


> Upon exiting and restarting, Mem Usage is 27,135K

> Anyone else seeing the sort of Mem Usage growth that I'm seeing here?

Yes, very similar. Memory usage was around 150M after twenty hours
or so. After a restart it's back to 30M. I'm using a single IMAP
account and the Avast plug-in.


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Re[2]: Desktop Search Tools

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Alexander, 

On 12 May 2005, 16:32 you wrote:

>> I've installed it but it hasn't indexed TB! at all. The plug-in is listed
>> under Google Desktop preferences; should it be listed as a TB! plug-in?
>> If so, how do I do this since it comes with a DLL and not a TBP file?

> You have to use the cmdline function described in the thread on Google,
> regsvr32 /s GoogleDesktopCantRemember.dll - make sure that TB is NOT
> running when you do this. When you're done and you restart TB the plugin
> will be automatically added (at least thats how it was here - how this
> works I don't know, but it works).

> Can't say anything about Pro with OTFE I'm using the Home version of TB.

I tried this but no joy. Thanks anyway.


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Re[2]: Desktop Search Tools

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Alexander, 

On 11 May 2005, 21:01 you wrote:

> So far it works; both the indexing and the searching are very fast - nice!

I've installed it but it hasn't indexed TB! at all. The plug-in is
listed under Google Desktop preferences; should it be listed as a TB!
plug-in? If so, how do I do this since it comes with a DLL and not a
TBP file?


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Re[2]: Buying The Bat! pro

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Claude, 

On 08 May 2005, 21:43 you wrote:

> Can someone tell me where to buy a e-token ?

iKey 2032 USB Smart Token (Rainbow Technologies) on eBay... item
5192562109 at around EUR 27 delivered (4 hours to go!)


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Re[2]: Smileys

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Urban, 

On 28 April 2005, 22:45 you wrote:

> But there could be a big problem with * (any number of the preceeding
> character). If we change the regexp from Martin to
> ^From.*(OWNER|owner)-(NOLIST|nolist)-.*\ *.* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Note the spaces around the first "*.*")
> you might see what I'm getting at. A bold "." written is hard to
> distinguish from one that is written in a normal font, and it most
> definitely is not the same thing as "*.*"

> (Bad example, I know, but it's getting kind of late and I'm too tired to
> make up my own examples).

I doubt that there is a problem with the ideas described in this
thread... I looked at every message in Mozilla Thunderbird and each
renders correctly.


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Re[2]: Smileys

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Alexander, 

On 28 April 2005, 18:17 you wrote:

>> I don't understand. Aren't asterisks and brackets also parts of the
>> regex syntax, and we anyway use them all in a "regular text"?

> I don't understand, either. RegEx, to be precise. :-P

> All I (think I) know is that the slash is used as an escape character if
> you want to match characters that normally are regex qualifiers. Like if
> you really mean to match an asterisk you'd use /* in the regex. Or
> something like that. :-}

Actually, (to be precise :-) ) you would use the backslash "\", e.g.
^From.*(OWNER|owner)-(NOLIST|nolist)[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: How to delete the cache

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Michael, 

On 27 April 2005, 12:18 you wrote:

> I've been reading from time to time that the cache should be
> deleted when running into several problems. I have no idea how I can
> achieve this. Can somebody help me out, please ?

If you use IMAP, right-click on the folder and select Properties (or
Alt-Enter.) Then click on the Clear cache now button.

Otherwise, I suggest you describe the problems in a little more
detail.


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Re: OK so I've got a regex pattern but...

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Admin, 

On 14 April 2005, 14:42 you wrote:

> I have now created a regex pattern to find an email address...
> but in the reply template I have put: %TO=%REGEXPTEXT="regexpression"
> but it is not happening.

Try something like this to match an e-mail address:

%TO=""%-
%TO="%REGEXPTEXT='^(([A-Za-z0-9]+_+)|([A-Za-z0-9]+\-+)|([A-Za-z0-9]+\.+)|([A-Z
a-z0-9]+\++))*[A-Za-z0-9]+@((\w+\-+)|(\w+\.))*\w{1,63}\.[a-z
A-Z]{2,6}$'"%-

Note: %TO="%REGEXPTEXT='regex'"


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Re: Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!

[Martin Webster on TBUDL]

 
Hello Doug,

On 03 September 2004, 21:13 Doug Weller [DW] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MAU>> Will you please open the Message Finder and click on the HELP button?
MAU>> TB's HELP if far from perfect, but I can assure you it is _not_ blank.

DW> Nope, it's not blank.  But you seem to see something there I don't.
DW> Here's the contents, please show me where it tells me how to find a
DW> phrase.  I've also looked at the Regex help page before, which is
DW> useful.

,-
| This is where you can type in what you are
| looking for
`-


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