Re: Version Numbers
Hello Jeff, On Tuesday, July 26, 2005, at 12:38:35 PM, you wrote re: Version Numbers: JG I have had an email telling me that version 3.51 is available. I am JG running 3.5.26 and I'm confused about the numbering. Many of us are. There is a similar discussion occurring on the beta list. JG Is 3.51 later than 3.5.26 please? Yes. Just don't ask me to explain. :) I am finding it to be much more reliable and stable than 3.5.26. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Problems finally resolved!!! :) On Friday, July 22, 2005, at 12:12:27 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: WH By installing the new .msi released to the public today, TB now WH will delete message older than a certain number of days off the WH server. WH The maintenance utility is now deleting some messages (14). However, I WH have it set to keep messages newer than 30 days, but there are many WH that were kept as far back as May 1st (received and created May 1st). WH Clearly, by installing a new .msi, something was reset. Reinstalling WH the previous public release did not help. However, I am still left WH with one problem: why won't it purge since the correct number of days. Both problems now seem to be fully resolved! I was missing the setting on the Account properties Mail Management deletion setting called purge undread messages! The combination of installing the .msi and changing this setting fixed the two main problems I was having!!! Yeh! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Michael, On Saturday, July 23, 2005, at 8:39:28 AM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: MA Sorry for the blurry jpg, had to get it below the 25k limit. Thanks, but the .jpg did not show up. Could you email it to me directly? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.8 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, July 21, 2005, at 10:51:06 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: TF It uses the received date. So when you restore messages from a backup TF file, the date of restore is used (as it is also shown in the TF received column). Even trying to delete within the last day does nothing. The strange thing is that TB no longer will delete messages on the server. I have it set to delete messages older than 3 days and it has been well over a week since any messages have been deleted. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.8 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Michael, On Friday, July 22, 2005, at 11:10:55 AM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: MA Sorry Wayne, I am not seeing this. Do you mean when you receive MA messages via pop3 or imap, or when you run the maintenance? I am MA talking about when I receive the message NOT in maintenance. Just MA normal downloading. All messages that I download are removed from the MA server for me. What I am saying is that now in addition to not being able to delete messages older than a certain date via Maintenance mode or On exit, it will not delete messages older than a certain day on the server via pop3. It's as though the internal date of TB has been confused. Note: my system clock has the correct date and time. As for messages in my base, there are plenty with the received date older than the keep messages date that I specified in the folder. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.8 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Michael, On Friday, July 22, 2005, at 12:05:04 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: MA Ok understand now. I don't have mine set up that way, but change mine MA to see if I can get a confirmation. I mean I know I will then we can MA submit a BT report. Thank you. I really appreciate it. The problem that I have with TB is that there are so many settings that I never know if I missed one or two or if it is a bug. By the way, even though my footer shows that I am using a beta, I had the same problem with the latest official release. I went to the beta to see if it were indeed a bug that was already fixed. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.8 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Michael, On Friday, July 22, 2005, at 7:30:36 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: MA Hmmm I have put all my deletions on a 7 day schedule both in the MA trash and the server, but that is normal operation. I tried everything MA I could find to try to find the way to incorporate this 7 day deletion MA in the Maintenance but no luck. Right now my biggest problem is that I cannot delete messages on the server - no matter what I set it to. I am getting warnings that I exceeded my limit. If I tell it not to keep messages on the server, it still does!! MA How exactly have you got it set up to delete using the maintenance MA mode? http://home.rochester.rr.com/solara/Keep_Messages.gif http://home.rochester.rr.com/solara/Folder_specific_deletion.gif -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.8 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Alexander, On Thursday, July 21, 2005, at 12:59:48 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: ASK I'm using this with the tickbox on exit ... remove old messages checked, ASK ie. not with the Maintenance mode. That is working here, and never was a ASK problem with any of the 3.50 series. I have tried adding this setting per folder and it still does not delete messages based upon my number of days setting. ASK However, I have just tried to purge compress old messages with a manual ASK maintenance, and it is working just as well. I cannot get this option to work either. ASK I don't use folder specific deletion settings, those only affect the way ASK the messages are deleted and should not affect the auto-deletion. ASK Now, that doesn't exactly solve your problem. You could try to set the ASK deletion settings to default. If it works then, it is a bug that should be ASK reported as a new issue on the BugTracker site. You could also try to turn ASK the on exit ... remove old messages option on/off and see if that is ASK working. Again, if it works with the option on, it is a bug. Setting this to default and the running purge and compress via that Maintenance tool still says that it has nothing to do, even though it should delete about 3 months of messages. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.7 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Alexander, On Thursday, July 21, 2005, at 1:40:40 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: ASK Hello Wayne Howard everyone else, ASK on 21-Jul-2005 at 19:17 you (Wayne Howard) wrote: ASK I'm using this with the tickbox on exit ... remove old messages ASK checked, ie. not with the Maintenance mode. That is working here, and ASK never was a problem with any of the 3.50 series. I have tried adding this setting per folder and it still does not delete messages based upon my number of days setting. ASK For this to work you must tick the on exit ... remove old messages ASK checkbox (it was not ticked in the screenshot you sent to TBBETA, thats why ASK I mention it). Yes, I have tried it that way as well and it did not work. However, I want to be able to delete messages older than a certain date via Maintenance. I don't want it to do it every time I close TB. Setting this to default and the running purge and compress via that Maintenance tool still says that it has nothing to do, even though it should delete about 3 months of messages. ASK This may be a shot in the dark but... are the message really old enough? I ASK mean... maybe you imported them from a backup or an archive and the dates ASK were mangled somehow? I will have to experiment. I finally gave up and deleted the messages manually. Does it use the created date or the received date? Restoring a backup changes the dates of the messages? How can this be? How would you know when they were really created? Perhaps I misunderstand. Thanks again for your replies. I really appreciate it! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.7 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello tbudl, For some reason, I can no longer delete messages per folder using the folder-specific settings and Maintenance mode. I have it set to delete messages older than 180 days and have Use Folder-SPecific deletion settings set on the Deletion tab. What am I missing? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.5 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Mary, On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, at 6:48:05 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: MB You're running a beta? You might like to try asking this question on MB the TBBETA list. :) The problem happens with the beta or the last release. This is why I tried the beta to see if it fixed the problem. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.5 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode
Hello Mary, On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, at 7:11:29 PM, you wrote re: Deletion by folder using Maintenance mode: MB So, possibly it's an unfixed bug. You think it might be? First, I am interested in how it's supposed to work. I think I may be missing something. It's very convoluted and the info in the Help file is very sparse. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.5 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 3.01 Installer
Hello Stuart, On Sunday, October 17, 2004, at 8:59:07 AM, you wrote re: TB 3.01 Installer: SC If you right click on the .msi file and look at the properties, you SC should be able to determine which version will be installed. The problem is that they have not entered version numbers in here (at least in the version I just downloaded the other day). -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 Directory Opus 8: the premier file manager for Windows Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automated backups?
Hello fellow tbudl members, Does anyone know if there is a way to automate a backup either via the interface or via the command line? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 Directory Opus 8: the premier file manager for Windows Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
alternative glyph sets
Does anyone know when the alternative glyph sets, mentioned in the help file of The Bat! 3.01, will be available? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 Directory Opus 8: the premier file manager for Windows Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello Wayne, On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 12:59:35 AM, you wrote re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd: WH This is a great idea. I hate this especially when I cut and past WH something (or add text) and have to reformat where the text is WH wrapping. I think TheBat! would win a lot more converts with a feature WH as you describe. I almost gave up when I first started using TB WH because of this. I stayed because of the great reply features. Adding WH this feature would encourage me to switch my business email over to TB WH (instead of just using it for email lists). WH zParticle, have you submitted this as a new feature request. If not, WH please do!! After playing with the settings, I did not even realize that there is another non-html editor available. Clearly, there is much more for me to learn about The Bat!! Does the Windows plain text editor do any of what you are asking for with the Microed editor? (I just started using it so I have no idea). -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.04 RC/3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello Wayne, On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 10:52:44 AM, you wrote re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd: WH After playing with the settings, I did not even realize that there is WH another non-html editor available. Clearly, there is much more for me WH to learn about The Bat!! Does the Windows plain text editor do any of WH what you are asking for with the Microed editor? (I just started using WH it so I have no idea). Ah, I see. It doesn't have the in-line spell check or other nice features. Sorry - I should try before I write. :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.04 RC/3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd
Hello zParticle, On Friday, February 13, 2004, at 7:07:51 PM, you wrote re: A simple suggestion for MicroEd: z MicroEd could rule. But it needs soft wrapping. z Note that I said the EDITOR needs soft wrapping. The messages should z always go out hard wrapped: this is the Internet standard for plain z text, and serves to keep things consistent and readable regardless which z mail client you're using. z The problem with the current approach for many of us used to other email z programs--or pretty much any text editor--has nothing to do with the z floating caret or WYSIWYG text. (For some reason those keep being z brought up, but they aren't the problem.) z The editor simply needs to give us the OPTION of using soft carriage z returns during composition: this alone would avoid all the manual z reformatting or mode-switching. It's an annoyance, and not at all z intuitive for newbies. z I understand that Some people may like having to manually rewrap each z paragraph or have simply gotten used to it this way, so make it an z optional setting and everyone wins. z WYSIWG? Many other email editors have already solved this one: the soft z returns simply get converted to hard returns the moment you hit send. z There is no way in which this is not WYSIWYG--it hard wraps each line at z the same place it was soft wrapped in the editor. z The Bat! could then take it one step further by using its smart quote z wrapping to soft wrap quoted material during editing, exactly as it does z when you do a manual left justify. z One fundamental change, and MicroEd could move from quirky to king. z Not holding my breath... This is a great idea. I hate this especially when I cut and past something (or add text) and have to reformat where the text is wrapping. I think TheBat! would win a lot more converts with a feature as you describe. I almost gave up when I first started using TB because of this. I stayed because of the great reply features. Adding this feature would encourage me to switch my business email over to TB (instead of just using it for email lists). zParticle, have you submitted this as a new feature request. If not, please do!! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.04 RC/3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 4:03:36 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW I like TB's behaviour better myself. As Allie pointed out, it's very DW nice to be able to leave a folder return to it not have to find DW the message you were looking at before. I *much* prefer this to the DW way any of the other email clients I've used handles leaving/returning DW to a folder. DW I see you've found a resolution for your problem later in the DW thread - apparently the issue wasn't TB's behaviour but rather its DW option to purge compress folders. I like being able to do that DW too (though I don't do it on exit). It's working pretty well for me now, too! I had no idea that the pointer was being deleted. I'm not sure when or how the Compress on Exit feature got turned on (unless it is on by default). However, as I mentioned to Allie, I'm not sure why that would change the last read mail pointer. I have used many other databases where this is not the case. I can think back to the BBS days where all of my databases (on Wildcat!) were compressed once a week as an automated event. If all of my users lost their last read pointers, they would have been very upset. (Looking back on it - another mail product with an exclamation point in its name!) :) By the way, looking back at my last several posts, one might think my responses to you were antagonistic. I hope you did not take it that way. That certainly was not my intent. I simply was trying to find a solution - perhaps I was getting a bit frustrated trying to help others understand what I was looking to do. This is not exactly what I was looking for, but it now works pretty well for me. I don't need to compress all the time - that's for sure. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 3:19:40 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In DW that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? Because I want to see the read and unread messages. DW H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke DW to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving DW around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that DW matters more to me. Because this should be unnecessary. What I describe is normal behavior in every other mail application I have used. DW Just one further thought - this might not be a suitable solution for DW you, depending on your circumstances, but what about using the Message DW Ticker the Virtual Folder it provides? No, it's not. It doesn't do the same thing that I am talking about. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Bobi, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 3:38:26 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): BJ Hello Deborah, BJ On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 08:19:40[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was BJ 16:19 where I live) Deborah wrote: Deborah On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 6:44:26 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH 1) I actually do not want to go to any unread messages. What I WH really want to do is go to the oldest new message. Sometimes I WH skip over messages that are not important, i.e. spam. I want to be WH able to quickly see what messages have been added to the folder WH since I last opened the folder. I do this in MS Outlook all the WH time. Deborah So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In Deborah that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? BJ He and me too don't want to screen read messages neither. That is correct. WH 2) I want it to be automated. I don't want to scroll or use a WH keystroke. Deborah H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke Deborah to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving Deborah around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that Deborah matters more to me. BJ You didn't read his situation clearly. He and many of us often only read BJ some part of messages, especially in the mailing list case, thus leave read BJ and unread msgs staggered everywhere. Every day, we make TB! purge msgs on BJ exit to automatically delete old read and unread msgs, this makes in the BJ next time TB lose its msg selection, it's really inconvenient, and BJ Ctl-Alt-Right keystroke can not solve this situation, because the keystroke BJ only makes TB select the first unread msg which in most case is what we BJ don't interested one; We lost and need take burden to find where we last BJ time at. This is similar to my experience but I am not automatically deleting messages. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Chris, On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 4:24:21 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): If not, I will submit a feature request. C You will probably need to submit a feature request. However, you C should do a search first so that you don't create a duplicate C feature C request. The more I think about it, this should be a bug not a feature request. This is the only mail application that I have ever seen behave this way. I'm shocked that most people don't find it annoying, especially those who are using TB to read mail lists. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 12:15:59 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW It's not normal behaviour for OE, or for Eudora, or, I think, DW Pegasus...of course there are other things which are normal behaviour DW in those apps (such as defaulting to html, running viruses DW automatically, in OE, using up huge amounts of system resources in DW Eudora...) which I'm very glad I don't see in TB. It certainly is in OE and full Outlook 2000/2002. I just tested it. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello ken, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 1:01:45 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): kg Are you sure you guys are talking about the same behavior? A lot of kg this discussion has been about views and moving around messages, but kg IIRC, the original point was simply: return to the last message I was kg looking at. kg And I do believe this is pretty normal behavior for e-mail clients. At least that's what I'm talking about and I started the thread. To be fair, it took two corrections of my original message before I said it right, though. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 1:04:51 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW In OE, when you leave a folder, it doesn't remember the message you DW last viewed. And you can't purge/compress folders in OE, afaik. So not DW really comparing apples with apples iyswim. You're still not getting it. I'm looking to have my inbox (and other folders) open to the new, previously unseen messages, starting with the oldest of these - while keeping the remaining messages in view. I'm not trying to purge or compress anything. This is normal behavior for every other mail reader I've seen. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 5:25:45 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): I was surprised that you hadn't chimed in on this one before now. :) You always seem to have a good perspective on things such as this. AM Even if I wanted what you wanted, it would be frustrating in a AM threaded AM environment since it's not easy to look at new messages when AM they're AM scattered among threads, many of which are collapsed. I think that has a lot to do with it, I rarely read in thread mode. AM So, in conclusion, the behaviour you wish for is one that would AM actually AM upset me. g AM But, of course, I have no problem with the behaviour you prefer AM being AM introduced as an option so everyone can be happy. To each their AM own. That's what I was hoping for myself. After thinking about it some more, it's mainly the Inbox which bothers me - much more than any of the folders. Here, I really think that I have something set wrong (or it is broken). Although I have it set to sort on Received time and put newer messages at the bottom, it rarely goes there when I start The Bat! after shutting down. I don't think it used to behave this way. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 7:08:09 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): AM Turn off auto-compression of all folders and do a weekly AM cleanup/maintenance operation. You should be fine that way in that TB! AM should remember your last position within folders between restarts. I bet that's it! I have Compress on Exit is on for my Inbox. I don't recall turning that on. Is it on by default? Allie, I just knew chatting with you about this would lead to an answer! Thanks! Between getting this resolved and the Scroll Wheel issue being fixed last week, I'm happy as a clam! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Wayne, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 8:04:15 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): WH I bet that's it! I have Compress on Exit is on for my Inbox. I don't WH recall turning that on. Is it on by default? Allie, I just knew WH chatting with you about this would lead to an answer! Thanks! This indeed fixed the problem I was having. A big thank you to everyone else who helped me think about this with your numerous suggestions. I learned a lot about The Bat! just from this discussion alone. I must admit that I am still perplexed why applying a filter would reset a pointer (let alone compacting). There are many databases I have used where filtering and compacting have no effect on pointers. This is a really great mail list group! The Bat! would simply not be the application it is without it. It makes me mad to see the poor review in PC Magazine in the U.S. Surely they did not take a very long look at the applications they were reviewing. I don't think I will renew my subscription. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 5:25:19 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW if the DW last unread message was the last message you viewed in that folder, it DW will be the one displayed when you open the folder again. That would be fine, but it has been my experience that this is not always the case. Sometimes it scrolls all the way to the top and ignores what is the last read message - especially with the inbox. Is this a bug? Does anyone else experience this? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 11:30:34 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): TF I don't think it's a bug. It happens over here when I kill dupes and TF the last message I read was a dupe. It also happens when I purge TF compress; I find it logical that the focus is at the top (it must be TF somewhere, right?). It is standard in most email applications to put the focus on new mail in the folder. I wish there was at least a setting that would allow me to do that in TB. I hate having to scroll for my messages every time I access my Inbox. In other folders, it does it some of (but not all) of the time. The behavior seems to be different for my Inbox on my machine. That is why I think it is a bug. I suppose something could be corrupted - but what? Thanks for your reply. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Peter, On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 1:21:54 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): PM No need to scroll. ctrl+right takes you to the next (first) unread PM message. Further clarification. I think I need to restate my objective: 1) I actually do not want to go to any unread messages. What I really want to do is go to the oldest new message. Sometimes I skip over messages that are not important, i.e. spam. I want to be able to quickly see what messages have been added to the folder since I last opened the folder. I do this in MS Outlook all the time. 2) I want it to be automated. I don't want to scroll or use a keystroke. 3) I'm looking to see if there is a setting or a way to do this currently. If not, I will submit a feature request. This is something that has bugged me since 2.0 came out. I don't think it worked this way in 1.X, but I could be wrong. I also have a lot more messages in my folders so I may not have noticed it before. Thanks for all of your suggestions. Some of them will help me a lot until I find a better way. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Chris, On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 4:24:21 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): C You will probably need to submit a feature request. However, you C should do a search first so that you don't create a duplicate C feature C request. That's part of the problem... what to call it/search on. This discussion helps to some degree. It's taken me several messages to describe what it is that I'm looking to do. I was hoping that there was already a way to do this and I was just not seeing it! :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem - I may have figured it out!
Hello Mark, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 8:49:06 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem - I may have figured it out!: MW Sounds like the problem is nailed, but I'm with that developer on this MW one: I would assume that a -1 returned from a number-of-lines API call MW would mean an error condition occurred. This just in from a developer of another product I use: Fwiw, I don't think the problem is Logitech's. The Microsoft docs do clearly say that -1 (#defined as WHEEL_PAGESCROLL) is a valid number of lines to scroll. However, I'm pretty sure they DIDN'T say this originally - so the mistake I and presumably other developers made was to rely on the original version of the wheel documentation and not keep up-to-date with changes Microsoft have made to the spec. At any rate, I just downloaded the beta (61) that was released today and the problem is indeed fixed! I am thrilled!!! It is wonderful to be able to scroll a page at a time in The Bat! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Does anyone know if there is a way to set TB to scroll to the last received message (either at the top or the bottom)? This seems to be standard in most mail applications that I have seen. Often I have to scroll the whole length of a large inbox only to see a few messages at the very bottom (or the top). I can't help but think that I am missing a setting, but I can't figure out what it might be. Thanks! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Wayne, On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 8:49:48 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): WH Does anyone know if there is a way to set TB to scroll to the last WH received message (either at the top or the bottom)? This seems to be WH standard in most mail applications that I have seen. Often I have to WH scroll the whole length of a large inbox only to see a few messages at WH the very bottom (or the top). I can't help but think that I am missing WH a setting, but I can't figure out what it might be. Clarification... I think I mean to scroll to the last read message (rather than last received message). I'm not sure. The bottom line is that I want to quickly be able to read the latest, unread messages that I haven't seen without having to scroll for them a long way. Is there a setting to do that? Thanks! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Wayne, On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 9:11:22 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): WH Clarification... WH I think I mean to scroll to the last read message (rather than last WH received message). I'm not sure. The bottom line is that I want to WH quickly be able to read the latest, unread messages that I haven't WH seen without having to scroll for them a long way. Is there a setting WH to do that? Further clarification... Chris, after reading your reply, I guess it would be more accurate to say the oldest, unread message so that I read them in order. I just don't want to go to the bottom or top. I also want it to be the default when I open a folder. This is the way I am used to working in almost every other mail application I have used. Any thoughts?? I hope that I said it right this time! :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 Beta/61 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Stefan, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 5:50:01 AM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: ST Well, I've just installed a Logitech Cordless TrackMan Wheel and ST could ST not see any problem with scrolling windows - it just behaves the ST same ST way as other wheeled devices (i.e. performs scrolling). ST The driver version number is 9.79... Are any of you that say it is working using Windows 2000? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Stefan, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 2:07:38 AM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: ST Well, it completely depends on the driver. Tell me what settings ST are available for the wheel before I can suggest anything. :-) There are not any additional settings - only a setting for the number of lines to scroll or by page. I no longer using a Logitech mouse. I am using a Contour Perfit mouse made by Contour Designs (www.contourdesigns.com) I mentioned the Logitech Mouseman Wheel (with a cord) because it exhibited the same problem. Older versions of the Logitech Mouseware had a setting that could be changed - i.e. put it into non-MS Office mode (which worked). Later versions do not. In any case, it was a pain to switch settings just to use The Bat! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem - additional observation
Hello Wayne, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 9:43:02 AM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: WH Hello Stefan, WH On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 2:07:38 AM, you wrote WH re: Scroll Wheel Problem: ST Well, it completely depends on the driver. Tell me what settings ST are available for the wheel before I can suggest anything. :-) WH There are not any additional settings - only a setting for the number WH of lines to scroll or by page. I no longer using a Logitech mouse. I WH am using a Contour Perfit mouse made by Contour Designs WH (www.contourdesigns.com) I mentioned the Logitech Mouseman Wheel (with WH a cord) because it exhibited the same problem. Older versions of the WH Logitech Mouseware had a setting that could be changed - i.e. put it WH into non-MS Office mode (which worked). Later versions do not. In any WH case, it was a pain to switch settings just to use The Bat! I noticed that if I change the mouse scroll properties (from one screen to a number of lines and back) and then shut down The Bat! and restart The Bat!, then the scroll works fine. It works fine until I reboot. It does not appear that there is a problem with the Contour drivers but a problem with The Bat! reading the mouse settings. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Mark, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 1:22:57 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: MW Then I fail to see why this is a TB problem. You should be on MW Logitech's case to fix their driver, although I'm interested in what MW the problem is just from a geek perspective. I'm no longer using a Logitech mouse - but it does have the same problem. The Bat! is the only application I use that exhibits this problem. MW The point about hand-fitting is well taken. MS has their own ideas MW about ergonomics (and everything else). And they pale in comparison to the Countour Design Perfit mouse. I have an extra-large hand. My hand cramps up and my wrist gets sore from using anything Microsoft. The distance between the thumb and index finger is too small. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Mark, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 1:22:57 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: MW Wayne- MW Thursday, February 5, 2004, 9:40:11 PM, you wrote: WH The problem does not occur with Microsoft mice. Unfortunately, WH Microsoft does not make any mice that fit my hand correctly. MW Then I fail to see why this is a TB problem. You should be on MW Logitech's case to fix their driver, although I'm interested in what MW the problem is just from a geek perspective. Further thought. No that this is being seen in mice of at least two different brands of mice/drivers, why would you think that it is a driver problem? It seems like it's the other way around. It seems like TB was only designed to work with Microsoft mice. I think that the problem lies in the way in which TB is detecting the mouse settings while the system is booting (I have TB set to load automatically). As I said in my last reply, if I change the mouse settings and then shutdown and reopen The Bat!, it seems to at least partially recognize the scroll settings. It's still not scrolling a screen at a time when it does work. Sometimes it is more than a screen. MW The point about hand-fitting is well taken. MS has their own ideas MW about ergonomics (and everything else). I think I misunderstood what you said here in my last reply. Sorry. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem - I may have figured it out!
Hello Wayne, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 2:29:06 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: I may have figured it out! TB does not seem to like the setting of Scroll one screen at a time with non-microsoft mice. That is the setting I always use. For those of you who say that scrolling works for your Logitech, do you have it set to do a whole page at a time? If not, please try that setting and report back. A whole page at a time is supposed to have a value of -1. It appears that TB does not know what to do with this setting. If I set it to a specific number of lines, it seems to work. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem - I may have figured it out!
Hello malexander, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 3:18:54 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem - I may have figured it out!: m Yes, I think you've solved the problem. I hope Stefan is reading m this. I switched my trackball to 6 line scroll (the only option m other than screen, or none) and it works. The interesting thing is m that it now scrolls a whole screen *not* 6 lines. You are absolutely m correct - this is a problem with how TB reads the mouse driver output. m If I switch back to screen, TB stops scrolling again. m However, I can't leave it in 6 line mode, because then it only scrolls m 6 lines in every other app, which is not what I want. This HAS to be it. I just received this reply from a developer who fixed a similar problem in another application for me (and other users) about 2 years ago: (I have documented all of this in bug report # 0002480): Do you have your wheel set to scroll a page at a time? If that's the case then the _only_ idea I've had was that maybe I originally wasn't handling the case properly when the system scroll lines setting (obtained by calling SystemParametersInfo(SPI_GETWHEELSCROLLLINES,...)) returns -1. I have a vague memory that I didn't know about this behaviour originally and thought that SPI_GETWHEELSCROLLLINES would always return a whole number of lines to scroll. If it returns -1 you are meant to treat each scroll message as moving a whole page in either direction -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Mark, On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 3:52:34 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: MW Wayne- MW Friday, February 6, 2004, 11:29:06 AM, you wrote: WH partially recognize the scroll settings. It's still not scrolling a WH screen at a time when it does work. Sometimes it is more than a WH screen. MW Stefan replied that he thinks he's solved the problem - the mouse MW driver apparently sends a non-standard message from the scroll wheel, MW and he's accomodating in in the next release. See my last message... I think several of us have come to the same conclusion at the same time! This is great news!!! WH I think I misunderstood what you said here in my last reply. Sorry. MW g Meanwhile, I'm here staring at a MS ergonomic keyboard that was MW recommended by a client and trying to get my hands into MS's version MW of how I *should* be typing. My typing speed has slowed down MW considerably and my typos-per-minute rate has gone way up. I have used them for several years! They're great, but it does take a few days to get used to it. Now, I find standard keyboards awkward! The only downside is that it the split angle is set. I am now using a Kinesis Maxim which allows you to vary this angle. I need it wider than what Microsoft sets it to. Thanks everyone for your all of your help in discovering what was causing this! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Bill, On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 9:27:45 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: BBTE At 9:16 PM on 2/4/2004, malexander typed ... m I started all this off when I complained that my that my Logitech m Trackman cordless wouldn't work in TB and got several people telling m me their rodents worked fine. At least I'm glad to know it *isn't* m just me. BBTE I have a Logitech MX500 and the scroll wheel works properly, but there BBTE are two buttons that scroll up and down in most applications. The BBTE cursor changes in TB, but no scrolling occurs EXCEPT in the editor (I BBTE just tried it in this message and it works.) How does one contact the authors of this product to get some resolve on this ongoing issue? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Chris, On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 4:36:07 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: C 1) Send a bug report using Help - Feedback - Bug Report C 2) Search for your problem at the bug tracking web site: C http://www.ritlabs.com/bt C 2a) If you find your bug, check its status and possibly add a bug C note or reopen it. C 2b) If you don't find your bug, submit a new one. Thanks. Just did. I was not aware this existed! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Stefan, On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 4:30:09 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: ST However, I've found that some mouse drivers use ST non-standard behaviour by default and may need some tweaking... Such as? I have tried all of the settings available with my mouse drivers and also several version of the drivers. thanks! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Mark, On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 10:53:50 PM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: MW FWIW, my MS Wheel Optical Mouse 1.1A works flawlessly, too, once I MW discovered the trick of selecting the proper pane... The problem does not occur with Microsoft mice. Unfortunately, Microsoft does not make any mice that fit my hand correctly. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scroll Wheel Problem
Hello Douglas, On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 1:28:28 AM, you wrote re: Scroll Wheel Problem: DH Hello Michael other TB! list members following this thread, DH On Sunday, December 14, 2003, you wrote: MSG I'm using TB 2.02.3 on a computer running Windows XP. DH I'm using TB! 1.62r and running WinXPPro. MSG For some reason, my mouse scroll wheel doesn't work in TB. It's fine MSG in all my other programs, but not in TB. I'm using a Logitech MSG MouseMan Wheel connected to a USB port and I'm using Logitech's MSG mouseware software to configure the mouse (can't seem to locate the MSG version number). DH Logitech's trackball is the best cursor solution there is, IMO. MSG Anyone else have this problem? MSG Any suggestions how I can get the wheel to work? DH Yes. Download, install and configure KatMouse for TB. It's freeware DH and will give you scrolling in any app., even old win apps. DH KatMouse - mouse wheel utility for Windows DH http://kickme.to/katmouse DH http://eduard.hiti.bei.t-online.de/ I reported this problem several versions ago and it still has not been fixed. I too have a Logitech mouse that works in all other applications. I just purchased a Contour mouse it has the same problem with only The Bat. I wish the developers would look into this (or give me my money back). :( -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop
Hello Bill, On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 6:43:50 AM, you wrote re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop: BBTE Documentation continues to be the weakest part of TB's otherwise BBTE stellar operation. Agreed. Almost everything that I click the help button for tells me that there is no help for that item. If the help file isn't finished, when will it be? One would think that they would have finished the help file before releasing the product! Also, is there a .pdf manual for this version of the product? I don't think I ever found one for version 1.x -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop
Hello Chris, On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 10:28:27 PM, you wrote re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop: C This isn't a bug. It's a feature. Under General Preferences, there C is C an option to Start program after system halt. Modifying the C RunOnce C registry key allows The Bat! to do this. To stop modifying the C registry, turn this behavior off by unchecking the box. Thank you, thank you, thank you! This has been driving me crazy as well! :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop
Hello Chris, On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 10:28:27 PM, you wrote re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop: C This isn't a bug. It's a feature. Under General Preferences, there C is C an option to Start program after system halt. Modifying the C RunOnce C registry key allows The Bat! to do this. To stop modifying the C registry, turn this behavior off by unchecking the box. I only wish that it was documented in the Help file so that clicking on help in the program would tell you what the heck Start program after system halt. means. Otherwise, how would anyone ever know?? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
Hello rich, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, at 3:49:11 PM, you wrote re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...: No matter how frustrated you are, I would appreciate it if you did not use our Lord's name in vain on this list. I also don't think that it's necessary for you to get abusive to make your point. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
Hello rich, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, at 6:56:55 PM, you wrote re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...: rg I was defending myself and now _I'm_ the abusive one. OK, you have a point, rg but re-read the message I was replying to and tell me who there was the rg abuser and abused, if you care so much. It was your offensive language that offended me - not your argument. I wasn't even following this particular thread. Your message was the first that I read in this thread. As for those who were offended that I used the words, our Lord, I'm sorry - there was no offense intended. (I have received several private messages.) In my church, that is a common expression. I did not mean it in the exclusive sense. It is not important to me the name by which you call your God. I would have been as offended if someone was blaspheming the name of God of any other faith. I personally do not believe that one faith stands before any of the others. We have enough anger today in the world in the name of religion. Please don't let my comments become a part of it! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Christmas Discount
Hello Peter, On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 10:00:56 PM, you wrote re: The Bat! Christmas Discount: PO Another reason I posted the msg: PO At work I introduced TB! 15 copies, in July, being a 1.62 version. PO 2 or 3 months later V2.xx was released. PO You could buy it, at 50% of the normal price. Hell, we just paid for it! PO Hardly any overlap, not even close to half a year. PO How do you expect me to react to such an offer??? PO How shall I explain that, and the X-mass offer being cheaper, to my PO boss?? Very few software vendors have a grandfather update policy of a year. The industry average is around 60 days. I've seen very few that give any special upgrade price to those who purchased an upgrade within one year. If your boss doesn't understand that already than he hasn't been paying attention to the software industry. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Hello Wayne, On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 11:52:23 AM, you wrote re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size: WH Is anyone else having any problem with the opening window size in WH version 2.02.3 Christmas Edition. My installation keeps opening in the WH restored state, 1/2 of the window off the screen. I would like it to WH open maximized. I did not have this problem with any other previous version. Am I the only one having this particular problem? -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting new messages and focus
There has been one thing that has been really bothering me. Is there a way to change the default sort of new messages? I sort on the Received Time, in Ascending order. When new messages come in, I would like the focus to be on the top message of the column. Otherwise, I have to reach for the mouse and then scroll to the top to see messages off the screen. It kind of defeats the feature of being able to use the spacebar for advancing through my messages. Thanks! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Hello Peter, On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 5:34:32 PM, you wrote re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size: PF I don't. Do you run any type of window managers that may interfere? Have PF you changed the setting in the shortcut you use for starting TB? No and No. It worked fine in 2.01.3. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Is anyone else having any problem with the opening window size in version 2.02.3 Christmas Edition. My installation keeps opening in the restored state, 1/2 of the window off the screen. I would like it to open maximized. I did not have this problem with any other previous version. Thanks! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No compatible authentication mechanism detected
Hello tbudl, I receive the following warning when sending mail: No compatible authentication mechanism detected. What does that mean? -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No compatible authentication mechanism detected
Hello Thomas, On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 9:06:38 PM, you wrote re: No compatible authentication mechanism detected: I receive the following warning when sending mail: No compatible authentication mechanism detected. What does that mean? TF What is your setting under Account / Properties / Transport / Sedn TF Mail / Authentication? And is that the same auth that your SMTP server TF requires? As far as I know, it doesn't do any special authentication. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgrading from 1.62 to 2.01.3
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed. I did a quick search of past messages and did not find what I was looking for: I am finally ready to give the new version a try. What is the best way to proceed? 1) Backup first 2) Install the new without uninstalling the old? 3) Uninstall the old and restore the backup? 4) Anything else I should consider? -- Thanks! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?
Hello Allen, On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 10:08:54 AM, you wrote re: TheBat! on a blacklist?: A There will be a new 2.01 build tonight I thought 2.01 was already out. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?
Hello Allen, On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 10:46:15 AM, you wrote re: TheBat! on a blacklist?: A 10/20/2003, 10:26 AM: Wayne said in TheBat! on a blacklist? WH Hello Allen, WH On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 10:08:54 AM, you wrote WH re: TheBat! on a blacklist?: A There will be a new 2.01 build tonight WH I thought 2.01 was already out. A I guess there will be a new-er 2.01 build -- 2.01.01 or some thing of A the sort? I just copied/pasted what I read . . . A Also, ought to add a space after your -- in your sig. delimiter so TB A knows to trim . . . I'm not sure what you mean. I know what you mean by adding a space, but knows to trim - what do you mean by that? Knows to trim what? Sorry - I'm fairly new to TB. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?
Hello Leif, On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 11:56:31 AM, you wrote re: TheBat! on a blacklist?: LG In your template, you need the -- . It appears you have the --, LG but are missing the trailing space after it. So, when someone replies LG to your message, the below is left. Thanks for letting me know and taking the time to explain it to me! So the -- really does serve a purpose! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgrade to 2.0
Hello tbudl, Does anyone know if there is a grandfather policy for TB 2.0? I just purchased a license for 1.62 a short time ago. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT) OT
Hello Thomas, On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 9:16:35 AM, you wrote re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT): MW If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... MW don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are MW unreliable and support is next to useless. Wonderful! I just bought the newest Drive Image yesterday. My previous version was DI 4.0. So far I have installed DI 2002 because I don't want to deal with .Net just yet. I am currently using Partition Magic 6.0. Based on what've read, I wish that 7.0 was still available! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kevin, On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 1:01:06 AM, you wrote re: Top posting: KC Top posting or bottom posting, IMHO, wastes bandwidth and forces one KC to hop back and forth between the new message and the old text, KC sometimes repeatedly, to follow the writer's train of thought. This is only true if you're not reading the messages as threads. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Thomas, On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 1:06:15 AM, you wrote re: Top posting: TF I have friends in both Europe and Asia who used PDAs. In the TF beginning, they were in love with their news toys, but each and every TF one of them has thrown them into a corner after an average of 2 years TF or so. You couldn't separate me from my Palm, but I never saw an advantage of using it for email. I use it for about everything else though! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply numbering
Hello tbudl, Is reply numbering on by default? If so, I think it should not. It messes up a lot of mail lists. Some readers can't handle it. I think it is annoying and very unnecessary. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with TB and GPG
Hello Leif, On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 12:10:51 PM, you wrote re: Help with TB and GPG: -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter Strings
I have come accross a strange problem that I hope someone can shed some light on... Many groups use identifiers in their subject line to help users filter messages and otherwise identify messages coming from a particular group. For example, I am the moderator of a group called [DOpus] and well as a member of the [D6], which is the official DOpus registered user's list. The problem is that the filter seems to ignore the brackets and any messages in [D6] that also have the word DOpus in them go to the wrong folder. Is there any way to make TB consider the brackets as part of the string. This is driving me crazy! I already reponded to the wrong group twice because of this! Thanks! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter Strings
Hello Wayne, On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 9:46:50 PM, you wrote re: Filter Strings: WH The problem is that the filter seems to ignore the brackets and any WH messages in [D6] that also have the word DOpus in them go to the wrong WH folder. Is there any way to make TB consider the brackets as part of WH the string. This is driving me crazy! I already reponded to the wrong WH group twice because of this! I think I just answered my own question. I took a another look at Help: Any text containing the special characters mentioned above, must be enclosed in single quotes, like this: '[New generation mailing list]' I'll give it a try! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get New Mail Hang
FYI: For those of you who were following the thread that I started re: TB hanging while getting new mail, here's an update: The problem has completely gone away in the last three weeks since I stopped keeping mail on the server. As for the Logitech mouse wheel scroll problem, I did not find a real solution, but I created a macro with Macro Express that changes the particular registry entry and toggle back and forth between modes. MS Office mode works best with MS applications and TB and Forte Agent work best with standard mode. It's not ideal, but it's better than before. A big thanks to everyone who helped me! This is indeed a great group of dedicated (and friendly) users!!! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
