Connection Centre hanging on one of my accounts
This is a bit of a weird problem. I have 2 primary email accounts, they work fine. I also have 4 supplementary email accounts all from the same free email service. I decided to get 4 to separate all the mail I get from gaming-related sites, auto-notifiers on BB, and a special one for mailing lists, plus the original one I got when I was checking the service out. The thing about the free webmail service is that it supports IMAP4 and POP as well, so I don't have to mess with webmail ads and popups and logins. Anyway, it was happily chirping along (the first account I opened with them that is) for many months. However when I got another three, I noticed that if it tried to check all of them at once, one of them would always hang in the connecting to. bit. It was usually the same account. Thinking that account was corrupted, I would disable auto checking on startup for that one, and KILL the bat process (ever noticed that if mail checking hangs or takes forever to timeout you can't quit the bat? I hate that). Upon restarting the bat, since it wouldn't check THAT account right away, it'd do all the others, and sure enough ONE of the others would time out. So I tried to set it up so that the original timing-out one would not check upon startup and would check at an interval different from the others, etc. Seemed to help, but every so often (a few times a day) one of those accounts hangs, sometimes the CC says it's been trying for over 5 hrs. In that case if I KILL the bat from task manager and restart it, it seems to work fine. Now this is probably a problem with the mail service not liking simultaneous connections from the same IP maybe... or some sort of limit on service like that. But I think the Bat should deal with it gracefully. If it would time out the connection then when it retried it would get through fine (as witnessed by my KILL-RESTART trick). Note CC already does this with my other two primary accounts if they ever become unreachable, but for some reason not with this. The problem is probably that in their case, when the bat tries to connect and can't because the server is down, it knows how to deal with that, but when the server is UP (in the case of the multiple free accounts) and simply not responding, the bat just sits there forever, waiting. Is that a correct guess? Any solutions? I suppose I could set them all not to check upon startup, and have them each check with a different interval, to minimize those polling hangs, but I don't know (replies would be appreciated cc'ed to me, if possible... I have trouble reading the TB list in digest form) -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Program in Linguistics University of Ottawa -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Filtering broken in 1.52c?
Well, I seem to have screwed up my mailbox and I'm sure it's not my fault. I used my trusty old mail filter, which moves messages from a certain folder TO THE SAME FOLDER, but I have the delete on server checked, and I have it mark messages a certain color so I know they're deleted. I ran this rule by using a hotkey, and the messages all disappeared. I noticed that they went from folder Correspondence\School to folder Correspondence\GF. But the rule clearly stated to go from School to School. So then I go into the GF folder and make a rule not to delete, but to just move all messages without a certain sender (GF) in the header, back to Correspondence\School. I re-filter the folder, and guess what? ALL the mail from GF and School are now in my inbox. I am sure I am using the filters right. Could it be a bug with this bat version? I think it's 1.52c, let's see here. Well, I can't tell it just says 1.52. Please, if anyone has had bad filtering problems like this let me know! Thanks. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Program in Linguistics University of Ottawa -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Best way to upgrade versions?
Hello peeps, just wanted to know what the best way to upgrade TB versions was. I just installed 1.52 c because I did a fresh OS install and restored my mail from a backup file (.tbk)... should I do the same thing when installing a new version (i.e. backup, wipe out the bat, reinstall, restore?) Seems a bit tedious, and doesn't preserve my message list and editor color and font settings. Does TB detect another version and install overtop of it? -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Program in Linguistics University of Ottawa -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Palm sync so slow?
Out of curiosity, what is it that makes the palmsync with TB so slow? I made a folder called palmsync, to which I copy mail I want to sync. I set it as the default account for mailto, and I set the conduit as Eudora 3.0.3 or higher. Then I sync, and it looks like it's hung forever, it takes almost 5 minutes. The weird thing is, even if I add only one message, it still takes 5 minutes. Five minutes to check that only one new message is in the folder and sync it? I tried the MS Outlook Express conduit too, same problem. Oh and here's something else. You don't need the thing to have your palm account selected as the default for mailto. You just need to edit sync.ini in your palm desktop user directory, and have: Profile=palmsync UserAccount=palmsync PostOffice=palmsync where palmsync = the account name you want to sync, in the Bat. In my experience marking it as the default for mailto URLs does absolutely nothing. I found this out when I was trying to switch what I used to have synced to my palm, to a new account that was just a container for msgs I wanted to sync. Even though I marked the new account as the default, the sync conduit kept syncing the old one... so I edited sync.ini manually. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Program in Linguistics University of Ottawa -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Guide to GnuPG and the Bat?
Is there a good FAQ out there that explains, step by step, how to set up GnuPG on Win32 and integrate it with the Bat? Well, I imagine that last bit is probably unlikely since 1.52c just Shipped yesterday. Anyway, I tried to download gnupg and gnupgshell, but no matter what I do it doesn't respect the directory I'm trying to get it to use for keys and such. Is The Bat's support for OpenPGP any good? As in, is it based on PGP/MIME rather than just ramming ascii armor text into a message, which is quite ugly? I ask because I see many of you with PGP text in your messages, and that worries me. Thanks. -- Kiyan Azarbar -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Windows XP problems
At 4:01:57 AM on Friday, May 04, 2001, Daniel wrote: Tmtdc Just installed Windows XP a month or so ago and have been having Tmtdc problems with the account settings vanishing. I read that at least one Tmtdc other person was having the same problem but I was wondering if there Tmtdc has been a solution to this. Tmtdc When I went to the properties as one person had suggested I do not see Tmtdc the security settings that are in Win2k. I am wondering if there is Tmtdc anything that can be done. Tmtdc I love TB but this is a bit anoying.. Whoa, I obviously haven't got the hang of The Bat yet, not since TBUDL started showing up in digest format, which is rather annoying. How do you reply to a specific message? Also how come when I hit reply it only quoted the first two messages in the digest to which I was responding? Anyway, I just wanted to point out that I *did* get past the problem by making the account.cfg files write-protected even to myself. Yes, the security tab does not show up in properties, but it does show up if you hold down control before you right click, and KEEP ctrl down until you click on properties (i.e. don't hold ctrl, right click, then let go, and then hit properties). You will see the same old W2K security tab with some spiffy colors and shading on the checkboxes. As for XP being a beta OS, yeah, but why should The Bat be corrupting data? It obviously has to do with how TB writes or re-writes data to the config files while it's open, as the filesystem hasn't changed from W2K to XP. Maybe it has something to do with filesystem indexing? Anyway, I'm glad to hear I was not the only one with this problem. My advice is to back up every .cfg file in the same directory as the original .cfg, so if it does get clobbered, just copy it back (or copy the copy and rename that). Mind you, under W2K this doesn't happen at all. Go figure. Any thoughts? -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Help: TB 1.51 eating my account.cfg under Win2000
Hello all. I have a question for all you Windows 2000 Bat users. Well, to be honest, it's Windows XP I'm using (Beta2) but it uses NTFS as well, so this problem is probably applicable to W2K too. The problem is really weird. I can't replicate exactly when and why it happens. But it seems that for the three accounts that I have set up to check mail automatically every minute, every so often the account.cfg file for that account gets... not wiped, but like DOUBLED. There is no diff util in windows that I know of, but just judging from the file size it looks like it gets doubled. Plus, it isn't text so I can't just view it to see what's going on inside. But basically I have ~4KB cfg files for my accounts, and every so often it goes to 8KB! The problem there is that the file is obviously corrupted, because the Bat (if i go to account properties) no longer has ANY information about the account, my name, from address, SMTP auth information, templates, nothing! I have basically made backups of each cfg file so that when that happens for an account, I just quit the bat, copy the backup file over ACCOUNT.CFG (rather, delete ACCOUNT.CFG and rename a copy of the backup), then restart the bat. And everything's fine. It is not bits of information appearing, it's everything. I have my Mail directories on drive F: under the MAIL dir. I have permission to write to it, etc... I have also unchecked the boxes for fast indexing and so forth under WinXP, thinking maybe that was doing something. But I suspect it is something to do with how the bat reads and writes files under NTFS. Does anyone have a clue about this? I would really appreciate it if you sent a cc or bcc to this email address as well as the list, because I get the list in digest format and it's hard for me to sort through it sometimes. Thanks. Heheh, I just tried to send this but couldn't, The Bat says I cannot leave the from field blank. Guess what? My account.cfg for this account was eaten again, I had to save in outbox (providing a manual from field), quit, copy my backup over, and restart. This time the corrupted .CFG file was actually smaller than the good one (3KB or so). Please help! Thanks in advance, a very concerned Bat user who doesn't want to give up the Bat in Windows 2000/XP -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
How to generate auto-replies?
Is there a way to filter incoming messages and if the subject contains a special trigger, redirect that message to another email address (for my cellphone?). It's dead simple to do in procmail but can't for the life of me figure out how to do it in TB. I know people have something set up like that to send out PGP keys, so I know it can be done. In the help section on Mailing Lists, it says to click the Actions tab for a filter and to check send auto-reply, then click on templates. I don't see either an auto-reply checkbox under actions, or a templates box/button. I'm using TB halloween edition. Thanks. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: threaded view?
At 1:40:45 PM on Friday, November 10, 2000, A wrote: KA Sorry to clog up the list again, but I can't find anything in the KA Help or in the FAQ on a threaded list view. Most mail clients allow ACM It helps a lot if you explore the menus of TB!. ACM Anyway, go to View - View Threads by - and select what you'd like to ACM use for threading, i.e., reference headers, subject. :) Oh my god, how dumb can I be? For some reason I was fixated on the menu option above it, "Sort by", and because there was no "sort by threads" which is the way I'm used to it, I was lost. Thanks. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Panic sets in: could this be???
At 10:39:17 PM on Tuesday, November 07, 2000, Januk wrote: dates for received (on the server) are fine. But for some reason the dates in the dispatcher are from 1994 or 1995.. at least a good number of them.. This may be somehow related. JA I can't really help you much, but for interest sake, is this the only JA account accessing an IMAP account from that particular server? I'm JA thinking that maybe your IMAP server isn't storing the messages in a JA completely compliant way. What happens if you set up this TB account JA to access a different IMAP server, is everything ok? I don't know what you mean. Are you saying I should get the account to access a different IMAP server and see how that goes? I'll try. But the only thing the NEW/DUPLICATE account I set up has in common with the old one, is the IMAP server. I made the old account (mailandnews) inactive and the new one (mailandnews.com) check every 10 mins... but they both have the same exact problem. It's gotten to the point where I'm probably going to abandon that address, which is pretty terrible. I agree it must be something peculiar about their servers, but also TB has some blame, because every other client I try it in has no problem. :( I'm really anxious for TB 2.0 is there even any estimate as to when that will come out? -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Where can I find a list of officially accepted bug submissions?
At 12:34:17 AM on Wednesday, November 08, 2000, Avenarius wrote: A A Bat-fellow, Kiyan Azarbar, A wrote on Tuesday, November 07, 2000 at 01:48:46 (GMT -0500), A which was 7:48 a.m. in Bratislava -- KA I just noticed something strange that led me to investigate some KA things. What I uncovered is unbelievable. A I uncovered the same things you did. 8-))) After importing several A thousand messages from Outlook Express to The Bat!, I noticed that in A *some* folders, the last two letters of each post were snipped. A For instance, old archived posts from onelist.com maillists instead of A ending with A www.onelist.com A ended A www.onelist.c Is there an official list somewhere of bugs that have been submitted to RITlabs? I'm able to cope with this if I know the developers are aware of the problem and will put it in the priority queue to fix in the next major release. Is there such a thing? The fact that you had this problem means it's not just me (thank god.) Now, were these folders directly from OE? And did the messages originate from an IMAP account? Mine did... I'm just grasping for a connection. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Where can I find a list of officially accepted bug submissions?
At 6:41:16 PM on Wednesday, November 08, 2000, Jan wrote: JR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JR Hash: SHA1 JR Hi Kiyan, JR On Wednesday, November 08, 2000 @ 18:18:42 -0500, JR you wrote the following about "Where can I find a JR list of officially accepted bug submissions?" A [...] I uncovered the same things you did. 8-))) After A importing several thousand messages from Outlook Express A to The Bat!, I noticed that in *some* folders, the last A two letters of each post were snipped. [...] JR As a former OE user, I also needed to merger OE JR msgs into TB!. I created an OE Migration Account JR Imported about 1000 msgs. FYI, all were just fine. I'm glad to hear it doesn't affect everyone. BTW, my problem has nothing to do with merging from an OE folder... it is simply occurring every time TB gets my new IMAP mail from a specific account. Since the symptom is identical I assume they are related. :( -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Panic sets in: could this be???
At 6:53:28 PM on Wednesday, November 08, 2000, Januk wrote: Are you saying I should get the account to access a different IMAP server and see how that goes? I'll try. JA Yes, that would be a good idea. At least you could rule out the JA possibility that your local message bases are being corrupted. JA That's why I suspect your IMAP server might be partly to blame. Try JA out your idea above, and please let us know. JA Well if we can figure out that your IMAP server is storing the JA messages in some weird way, perhaps this discussion can help the JA RITLabs guys figure out a way of making TB compatible. Although with JA the list of wishes and promises made for version 2, don't hold your JA breath just yet. You are right, it's the IMAP server doing something weird. This is mailandnews.com, so I imagine quite a few people might be affected, but maybe the problem is only really manifested when people try to use the Bat! to download mail. I changed the account so that it downloaded from my primary IMAP server, sent the same message to that server from a unix shell, and it came through perfectly fine, i.e. without the two-char truncation. Strange -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Panic sets in: could this be???
At 9:29:06 AM on Tuesday, November 07, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: ML On Monday, November 06, 2000, 10:48:46 PM, Kiyan wrote: I just noticed something strange that led me to investigate some things. What I uncovered is unbelievable. ML Indeed, it's the weirdest problem I've ever heard of on the list. I thought it would be, which is unfortunate because unless the developers hear about it and think of what it could be, I'm probably lost. It only appears to be with this account. All the other ones are fine. ML I certainly have no clue as to what happened. I would suggest ML creating a new account in TB for that same IMAP4 account. Don't copy ML anything from the old account. Set up everything by hand instead. ML Then see if the same problem occurs when fetching mail from this new ML account. I did as you said, and the problem occurs exactly the same. Last two characters are always lost. it makes no sense. No filters set up on the new account obviously. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Panic sets in: could this be???
At 9:29:06 AM on Tuesday, November 07, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: [...] description of problem in which last two characters of each email are deleted when retrieving from only ONE of my accounts It only appears to be with this account. All the other ones are fine. ML I certainly have no clue as to what happened. I would suggest ML creating a new account in TB for that same IMAP4 account. Don't copy ML anything from the old account. Set up everything by hand instead. ML Then see if the same problem occurs when fetching mail from this new ML account. Well, I tried the new account thing and it didn't work. Then in the dispatcher I noticed that a lot of the dates are totally wrong. I retrieve the message in the dispatcher and it's missing the last two chars, but I check the headers and the dates for received (on the server) are fine. But for some reason the dates in the dispatcher are from 1994 or 1995.. at least a good number of them.. This may be somehow related. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Panic sets in: could this be???
I just noticed something strange that led me to investigate some things. What I uncovered is unbelievable. I used outlook express for some other purpose (because my brother had sent me two messages with forwarded messages as mime attachments, and those forwarded messages had jpeg attachments that I couldn't view in the Bat incidentally Outlook Express was no better with them)... and noticed that there were two messages for me on the server that TB hadn't downloaded. It had definitely synced, or was supposed to sync, because I checked the acct properties under options and it said every 1 min. Anyway, I looked at the log file and the last sync was from something like 8 or 9 hours before, so obviously it hadn't synced. (This is IMAP4, BTW). I tried to force it and it seemed to check (although maybe it checked all my other accounts but not this one). It's possible that the checking routine was timing out or something. Anyway, I eventually fired up the dispatcher and noticed those two messages were there, with the receive box already checked, waiting for transfer. Weird, so I ran execute, and the messages arrived. This was the first mystery... why were they just sitting there? Was TB trying to check mail since 8 am, and was that thread basically hanging, preventing new threads from checking at every minute since that time? And now, the worst part. I sent myself a quick test message from a unix account to the account in question. TB got it within one minute. The message was a one-liner, with no carriage return at the end, containing the text "mantest destiny" (for MailAndNews test, I added the destiny just for fun). It came up as: "mantest desti" I was shocked, so I thought maybe the unix mailer had screwed up, or the MTA on that server. It hadn't... I fired up OE and checked that same message, and it came through fine. I tried the whole process again twice, then send "mantest destiny destiny" which came through as "mantest destiny desti" and even the alphabet which came through as "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwx". It was basically DROPPING the last two characters of every message! I am sure the messages were fine because in Outlook Express and in the webmail gateway to my account they displayed fine. So I looked through every message in that account's inbox, and the reason I hadn't noticed before is because usually messages end with a newline or two, and you can't notice those missing. A few messages did not, however, they ended without a couple of newlines at the end. These also had the last two characters truncated, so that a URL at the end of a message (in a sig for eg.) without newlines after it would turn up as: www.whatever.c instead of .com. It only appears to be with this account. All the other ones are fine. I know it's a long shot, but if anyone has ANY clue why this might be happening, please let me know. I don't think I could have configured anything to do something so strange, like delete the last two characters of a message, but maybe I did. Maybe it has something to do with filters? But I only have one filter in that account, and I have set it to inactive anyway. Yours in confusion, -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
confusing deletion addendum
I have discovered somethin... if I say, in the account properties, for TB to leave messages on server, but to delete them when I delete them from my trash box, it works beatifully. I see that the message IS deleted on the server after the next send/retrieve sync. The only thing is, there is no information in the account log indicating that a message has been deleted. There is for a SEND, or a FETCH, but nothing saying "message so and so was deleted because it was nuked from your trash". I just find this curious, is it supposed to happen? -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
After a long night of reading old TBUDL archived messages, I now realize The Bat! IMAP4 support is broken, or at least, not philosophically in keeping with the spirit of IMAP. At any rate, I found the solution to my problem of wanting to leave messages on the server, but also wanting to delete junk and so forth and messages with large attachments FROM the server. That was simply to mark "leave messages on server" but also "delete messages from server when they are deleted from the trash." That solution seems to work OK, but there are no log entries reflecting this deletion at the next sync, as my previous message to the list states. At any rate I now got into a related problem: how does one keep messages locally in TB folders but get rid of them on the server? It would be simple if I never checked "leave messages on server" but that way TB would have to be my exclusive client, and it isn't... I often read mail through outlook express and sometimes I even telnet into my server where I have shell access and read my mail using mutt. I found that there were lots of messages I wanted to archive, but didn't want them chewing up space on my IMAP box. I was not able to find a simple option (such as is available in Calypso, called "delete from server" as opposed to "delete" or "delete locally" or "delete from mailbox AND from server"). The kludge I came up with is this: 1) All the mail I want to keep, but delete from the server, is already sorted into local folders. Usually, it's list mail, or messages with multiple recipients (the poor-man's mailing list). 2) For each folder, I go into the folder, and start up the sorting office. 3) I set up a filter rule under Read messages. I call this rule whatever (e.g. DELLISTMSGS). I have it search for String ".*" under Sender, but it could be under any other field too. Note: regexp should be on. 4) I set the Source folder to be the folder containing the messages I want deleted from the server, and the Destination folder to be THE SAME FOLDER. That way the messages don't get moved, but under Actions I check "delete the message from the server." I have it set as active, and manual (but perhaps if it wasn't manual it would work automatically when a message is filed in that folder, after/if it was read... can anyone confirm?). 5) I bring down the main Folder menu and select Re-filter and select "Read messages" as the rulesets to apply, and watch as all the mail gets "filtered." even though it doesn't actually move, the filtering action takes care of selecting and deleting the messages from the server You may all wonder, why don't I just use the dispatcher? Well I can use the Search function not to mention sorting, in my regular folders. I can do all this to select messages then drag them all to a certain folder. Then I can have all the messages in the folder get deleted, this seems more flexible to me than hunting around in a severely functionality-limited message dispatcher. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Also, can anyone point out my utter lack of intelligence by telling me there was an easy way to do what I am doing? :) Yours in The Bat!ness, -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
Hello again. I found an old archived message on the list with a bunch of free webmail servers with IMAP support. I set up an account at both subdimension.com and turbosport.com. Turbosport.com has 40MB of storage, for free, which seems unbelievable to me. Anyway, I found something curious. When I send myself mail (even from an external source) TB is fine in retrieving it at the next poll (I poll every 1 min). But the problem arises the poll after that I get a duplicate. And every poll after that too. So I opened the dispatcher and noticed that the "receive" box is checked for all the messages. I wonder why. Perhaps turbosport isn't properly setting the message in the IMAP box with a "read" flag. Then each time TB polls, it sees the message is unread and re-retrieves it. I know it's the same message because the Creation: date is the same, but the Received: date is different. Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? It's not in the actual mail headers, where is TB getting that info from? If I set the message so that the "receive" box is unchecked, every poll after that is fine, I get no more duplicates. But I tried sending another message to myself at that address, and the problem re-occurs. So I am pretty sure something/some flag is not being set correctly. Anyway, I was just wondering if this is a correct assesment, that it's turbosport.com's fault, not the Bat!'s. I believe that to be the case since TB works fine with other mail servers, I think. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Manually apply filter to Find Msg results
At 10:12:11 AM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Jan wrote: Is it possible to manually apply a filter to a find msg result group of msgs. For ex: I mark those msgs I want to reply to with a color group. Then I search for the "answer these" color group. Then I answer them one by one. After that I was thinking of applying a filter that changes the color group sends them to trash. Maybe that's not the right application here. Suggestions please? I've been using The Bat! for two days now, so I'm not the best one to pay attention to, but it occurs to me that if you can't apply filters to a find group, you can drag-drop those messages (shift select all of them first) to a folder you make, called "temporary" or whatever. Within that folder you CAN manually apply any filter you want. But this probably occurred to you and you were looking for a better solution... if that's the case, please ignore this. :) -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
At 12:31:36 PM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:42:06 AM, Kiyan wrote: Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? It's not in the actual mail headers, where is TB getting that info from? It's the time TB downloads the message from your server. I realize that, but what I meant was where is it keeping the information? In the mailbox database file? Because if it isn't in the headers and the logfiles, I was wondering where it would be. Strange that TheBat should list something in a message-list column that isn't actually in the headers. Then again neither is file size. Do any of you use BOTH the Created and the Received field? I find them to be a bit redundant, except in debugging mail paths, but then I always use headers anyway, I don't care what time TB downloaded the message, I just care what time the message was created by the sender and what time my inbound-SMTP server received it to pass it off to my IMAP box. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
At 1:00:28 PM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: ML On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:24:12 AM, Kiyan wrote: [...] 1) All the mail I want to keep, but delete from the server, is already sorted into local folders. Usually, it's list mail, ML If you set up filters (either Incoming or Read messages filters ML would do) to sort this kind of mail into local folders, you may set ML the same filters to delete it from the server. This way you don't ML need the Read messages filters as you described. Ok, that is entirely true, and is a decent solution, and I did think of it too. But it wasn't appropriate... I want mail from certain people from whom I get lots of it, to go to specific folders, however I do not want to delete them from the server because I may not have time to read it, I may just glance that I have new mail but have to run off to school or something. From there I want to be abne to read it so I need to keep it on the server. or messages with multiple recipients (the poor-man's mailing list). ML Since you may need to sort this kind of mail manually (unless you ML can define some rules to distinguish it from others), the Read ML message filters would be more appropriate. True, true. And I often get this sort of stuff too. And for this stuff sometimes I don't mind having it delete from server once the messages are marked as read. 4) I set the Source folder to be the folder containing the messages I want deleted from the server, and the Destination folder to be THE SAME FOLDER. That way the messages don't get moved, but under Actions I check "delete the message from the server." I have it set as active, and manual (but perhaps if it wasn't manual it would work automatically when a message is filed in that folder, after/if it was read... can anyone confirm?). ML After it's read, and, of course, after it's no longer being viewed. Ok, this is strange to me. I tried this a couple of times, and sure enough, eventually the messages got deleted. But once it didn't work and I had to apply the filter manually with re-filter. I may have done something wrong though. Also when it's set to be automatic, the strange thing is once the messages are read and no longer viewed, it doesn't delete them from the server after the NEXT poll, it takes a few for it to sink in. Any idea why? ML There's another trick: you may set up a Read messages filter to ML delete matched messages from server, and assign to it a hotkey from Yes, this is a pretty good idea. But I didn't think I could use it because I thought you would have to have a different hotkey for messages in every storage folder, which is ridiculous. Or you'd have to always pre-edit the rule to apply to the right folder before applying it. But you seem to introduce another possibility, as follows... ML the Options pane. Make sure the "Check the selected message against ML this rule" option under the hotkey field is NOT checked. If the ML option is checked, the messages would be moved to the destination ML folder as prescribed in the Rule pane, then the filter can't be used ML across folders. With that option cleared, the designated actions of Wait, so are you saying this COULD be used across folders? I don't exactly understand... because this is a reply to my first message to the list about this (and not my second, in which I described the problems with moving messages from one account's folders to another accounts, then not being able to use filter rules in the new account to delete from the original account... you seemed to say mixing up accounts is not really possible in TB as of now). Oh, ok, I think I get it. You mean across folders, not accounts. I think I get you. So you're saying that checkbox, if unselected, means that the "action items" become folder-unspecific, right? That's useful. But wait, does that mean that it ignores the string/contains information and regexp stuff too? Because if the selected message (or messages) are not checked against the rule, what is the hotkey for, just to perform the actions? I'm confused... if I select a bunch of messages, and put say a String search for @echelon.ca in the Sender field (say to distinguish mail I got from my girlfriend's POP account as opposed to webmail), but uncheck that box you refer to, won't the DELETE action apply to every single message I have selected regardless of the string matching? Or does the check box only have to do with the source and destination folders? Please elaborate. ML the filter would be applied to all the messages you select, no ML questions asked. Ok, maybe I jumped the gun... maybe this *was* your elaboration. ML Hereafter you may delete any message from server with the hotkey ML after selecting it first. You may select multiple messages, and it ML works in the "Find result" virtual folder (the one showing the ML search result). It does? If so, isn't that a way to get around the moving-mail-across-accoun
Re[2]: Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
At 11:13:29 PM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: ML Just tried it a couple of times, and it does work with my main POP3 ML account. I don't have IMAP4 account to test with. According to other ML list members' experiences, TB's IMAP4 support seems to be spotty, ML but I can't comment on that. I take your word for it. I'll try it again to be sure, and post my results if they are weird, or won't if it works. :) ML Of course. It's useful should you often need to, e.g., color code a ML message, park it, delete it from the server, and add its sender to ML the AB at the same time. Ok, this makes sense. I will try to find a use for it. Do a lot of people use color-coding in TB? It seemed frivolous to me but I've always used console-based clients as my main client. I tried to define the reply template under the folder that I sort list mail into. Although I can customize everything there, there are no radio buttons, so I can put in %Quote but can't say what type of quotes to use. ML Check out a macro called %QUOTESTYLE in the help file. Ahah. Ok, I'll look it up. But isn't it weird that there should be no radio buttons for it? Or isn't it weird that quotestyle is not defined in the account templates explicitly, replaced instead by those radio buttons? hierarchy for folder-specific templates. If I change my reply template for the ACCOUNT, then it seems when I go to define folderspecific templates those changes are reflected. Which is really weird, what if I had customized a folder reply template heavily, but later made a change in the account default reply template, would it overwrite the folder one? ML It shouldn't. The template hierarchy is AB templates folder templates account templates I see. This is absolutely sensible, and quite good design behaviour. I should have tested it further before opening my big mouth. Thanks. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Deletion options with IMAP4
I have 2 questions (so far) after using The Bat! 1.47 HE for a day. 1) is there a way to apply certain changes to all accounts? As in change the reply template, and so forth, for all of them? In fact, is there a way of selecting more than one account BEFORE applying properties? I hate having to duplicate properties ... I know some are unique so it wouldn't make sense to group-apply, but in many cases it does. 2) How is deletion handled with IMAP4? Seems to me so far that TB treats IMAP4 basically like POP3, ie it doesn't use any of its inherent features. It doesn't seem to respect the read flag, or replied-to or forwarded flags, etc. Or mark things for deletion, and it can't PURGE on the server. I ask because in Calypso there were many diff't types of deleting. Local deletion which simply turned the message into header-only mode (and could be later retrieved from the server). Deletion which marked it to be deleted from the server (either immediate or next-poll)... but that leaves the message in the local box. Then you could delete the thing locally and it would be gone, or leave it. Seems that if I say "leave on server" for IMAP4 once I retrieve messages there's no way to delete them on the server except if I use the dispatcher. Speaking of which, what is the dispatcher for? Haven't figured it out yet and the documentation/list-posts are hard to hunt down. Thanks. -- Best regards, Kiyan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Man, do I ever have to change this default template! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
