Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 9 November 2013 at 5:39:32 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



> The only times I can recall having a message land in
> the wrong folder is when the sender changed something,
> which had been static, upon which I had been filtering.
> An examination of the filter and the errant message
> usually reveals the problem.  


I occasionally get seemingly random missorts from the filters.
Re-filtering corrects it in those cases. In other cases "Test Filters" 
is a useful tool to work out what went awry.



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Re[2]: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Chris Wilson]

> Hello MFPA,

> On Saturday, November 09, 2013 you wrote:


M>> Which boxes did you have ticked when clocking the OK button?

M>> In my version, with just the "incoming mail" and "re-filter selected
M>> messages only" boxes selected, for a single message in my TBUDL
M>> folder, clicking "OK" gets me two dialog boxes.

> Ticking the boxes as you stated:

> http://clip2net.com/s/68Djzd

> Then clicking OK gets me this:

> http://clip2net.com/s/68DoYt

M>> The first has a title of "test results" and a body text of "Processed
M>> by: The Bat! User Discussion List. Actions performed: Moved to the
M>> folder \\[Path to]\The Bat! User Discussion List. That dialog box also
M>> has an "OK" button and when I click, the box disappears and shows the
M>> second one that was hidden behind it. (My filter and my folder for
M>> TBUDL messages are both called "The Bat! User Discussion List")

M>> That one's title is "Test filters" and its body text is "Messages
M>> processed: 1. Messages Filtered: 1. Re-filtering complete." There are
M>> "Close" and "Help" buttons.

> As you can see, your "Test filters" box and mine differ.  The "box within the 
> box"
> contains a single long line which describes what actions were taken with this
> message as follows:

> Message from MFPA, subject "Re: Feature request?  Messages display filtering
> used.", size 6,368 bytes filtered (processed by "Processed by: Faux inbox.
> Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.  LaRosa\Faux inbox", 
> "Processed
> by: TBUDL List Server.  Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.
> LaRosa\TBUDL"), URL:
> msgid:04868015.20131109140042@my_localhost?folder=\\Jack%20S.%20LaRosa\TBUDL

M>> For what it's worth, ticking the "log filtering results" box appears 
M>> to make no difference. The results of the "Test Filters" function do 
M>> not appear in the account log. Maybe they are written to another file 
M>> somewhere, but I have never felt the need to look for one.

> Nowhere do I see an option to "log filtering results".

> I can only assume the difference in our versions is causing the disparity.  
> I've
> never used the right-click "test filters" option anyway.  I usually use the
> FOLDER + RE-FILTER and then only if I've created a new filter or modified an 
> old
> one.  Even then I'm only interested in whether the filter worked or not and 
> not
> in how it worked.  I can see however how such information might help in
> determining why a new or modified folder failed to work.  I'll try it next 
> time.




09 November 2013


I wasn't aware of the window behind the first one. The second window
is there and does indeed do what I was hoping for, thanks for pointing
out where I was going wrong.

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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Saturday, November 09, 2013 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Saturday 9 November 2013 at 4:36:25 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


>> As you can see, your "Test filters" box and mine
>> differ.  The "box within the box" contains a single
>> long line which describes what actions were taken with
>> this message as follows:

>> Message from MFPA, subject "Re: Feature request?
>> Messages display filtering used.", size 6,368 bytes
>> filtered (processed by "Processed by: Faux inbox.
>> Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.
>> LaRosa\Faux inbox", "Processed by: TBUDL List Server.
>> Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.
>> LaRosa\TBUDL"), URL:
>> msgid:04868015.20131109140042@my_localhost?folder=\\Jack%20S.%20LaRosa\TBUDL

M> That's good, it's still there. (-;
M> But an odd design decision to make you scroll across to see it.

Agreed, however, there may be a setting somewhere within the bowels of TB!
which govern that.

M>>> For what it's worth, ticking the "log filtering
M>>> results" box appears  to make no difference. The
M>>> results of the "Test Filters" function do  not appear
M>>> in the account log. Maybe they are written to another
M>>> file  somewhere, but I have never felt the need to
M>>> look for one.

>> Nowhere do I see an option to "log filtering results".

M> It is on the screenshot you shared showing which boxes you ticked.

Ah!  Grayed out therefore ignored by my visual cortex.  Since you were able to
actually tick or un-tick that box, yours must not be grayed out.  No combination
of ticked and un-ticked boxes would un-gray that option for me.

>> I can only assume the difference in our versions is
>> causing the disparity.  I've never used the right-click
>> "test filters" option anyway.  I usually use the FOLDER
>> + RE-FILTER and then only if I've created a new filter
>> or modified an old one.  Even then I'm only interested
>> in whether the filter worked or not and not in how it
>> worked.  I can see however how such information might
>> help in determining why a new or modified folder failed
>> to work.  I'll try it next time.  

M> I find it useful if a message turns up in an unexpected folder. If the 
M> "Test Filter" results indicate it shouldn't have, I just re-filter. 
M> Otherwise I just move it manually, and consider whether a filter needs 
M> editing.

The only times I can recall having a message land in the wrong folder is when
the sender changed something, which had been static, upon which I had been
filtering.  An examination of the filter and the errant message usually reveals
the problem.

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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 9 November 2013 at 4:36:25 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


> As you can see, your "Test filters" box and mine
> differ.  The "box within the box" contains a single
> long line which describes what actions were taken with
> this message as follows:

> Message from MFPA, subject "Re: Feature request?
> Messages display filtering used.", size 6,368 bytes
> filtered (processed by "Processed by: Faux inbox.
> Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.
> LaRosa\Faux inbox", "Processed by: TBUDL List Server.
> Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.
> LaRosa\TBUDL"), URL:
> msgid:04868015.20131109140042@my_localhost?folder=\\Jack%20S.%20LaRosa\TBUDL

That's good, it's still there. (-;
But an odd design decision to make you scroll across to see it.



M>> For what it's worth, ticking the "log filtering
M>> results" box appears  to make no difference. The
M>> results of the "Test Filters" function do  not appear
M>> in the account log. Maybe they are written to another
M>> file  somewhere, but I have never felt the need to
M>> look for one.

> Nowhere do I see an option to "log filtering results".

It is on the screenshot you shared showing which boxes you ticked.



> I can only assume the difference in our versions is
> causing the disparity.  I've never used the right-click
> "test filters" option anyway.  I usually use the FOLDER
> + RE-FILTER and then only if I've created a new filter
> or modified an old one.  Even then I'm only interested
> in whether the filter worked or not and not in how it
> worked.  I can see however how such information might
> help in determining why a new or modified folder failed
> to work.  I'll try it next time.  

I find it useful if a message turns up in an unexpected folder. If the 
"Test Filter" results indicate it shouldn't have, I just re-filter. 
Otherwise I just move it manually, and consider whether a filter needs 
editing.


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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Saturday, November 09, 2013 you wrote:


M> Which boxes did you have ticked when clocking the OK button?

M> In my version, with just the "incoming mail" and "re-filter selected
M> messages only" boxes selected, for a single message in my TBUDL
M> folder, clicking "OK" gets me two dialog boxes.

Ticking the boxes as you stated:

http://clip2net.com/s/68Djzd

Then clicking OK gets me this:

http://clip2net.com/s/68DoYt

M> The first has a title of "test results" and a body text of "Processed
M> by: The Bat! User Discussion List. Actions performed: Moved to the
M> folder \\[Path to]\The Bat! User Discussion List. That dialog box also
M> has an "OK" button and when I click, the box disappears and shows the
M> second one that was hidden behind it. (My filter and my folder for
M> TBUDL messages are both called "The Bat! User Discussion List")

M> That one's title is "Test filters" and its body text is "Messages
M> processed: 1. Messages Filtered: 1. Re-filtering complete." There are
M> "Close" and "Help" buttons.

As you can see, your "Test filters" box and mine differ.  The "box within the 
box"
contains a single long line which describes what actions were taken with this
message as follows:

Message from MFPA, subject "Re: Feature request?  Messages display filtering
used.", size 6,368 bytes filtered (processed by "Processed by: Faux inbox.
Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.  LaRosa\Faux inbox", "Processed
by: TBUDL List Server.  Actions performed: Move to the folder \\Jack S.
LaRosa\TBUDL"), URL:
msgid:04868015.20131109140042@my_localhost?folder=\\Jack%20S.%20LaRosa\TBUDL

M> For what it's worth, ticking the "log filtering results" box appears 
M> to make no difference. The results of the "Test Filters" function do 
M> not appear in the account log. Maybe they are written to another file 
M> somewhere, but I have never felt the need to look for one.

Nowhere do I see an option to "log filtering results".

I can only assume the difference in our versions is causing the disparity.  I've
never used the right-click "test filters" option anyway.  I usually use the
FOLDER + RE-FILTER and then only if I've created a new filter or modified an old
one.  Even then I'm only interested in whether the filter worked or not and not
in how it worked.  I can see however how such information might help in
determining why a new or modified folder failed to work.  I'll try it next time.


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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 8 November 2013 at 10:33:31 PM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:


> I was expecting
> something that showed the filter, or filters, used to
> move or copy it there. I maintain this would be a very
> useful feature, hope I haven't misunderstood the "Test
> Filters" option, but I believe it does what it's
> supposed to do, but I would like to see something
> showing the history of the copy / move in future
> releases

That feature has existed in every TB! version I have used, from
whatever v2.x I started with in 2004 up to the v4.0.38 I use now.
Maybe they deliberately or accidentally removed it on a newer version. 

If nobody here knows, perhaps somebody on TBBeta can tell you. 
Or maybe RITlabs themselves.

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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 8 November 2013 at 5:30:39 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



> Hmmm.  If I follow the above instructions and
> right-click on your message (running a later version of
> TB! than yours), then click "Test Filters" this is what
> I get:

> http://clip2net.com/s/68hktS


Mine is just the seven tick-boxes and the OK, Help, Cancel buttons.




> And if I click "OK", this is what I get:

> http://clip2net.com/s/68hlX5

> I do have a filter that routes all incoming TB!
> messages to my TB! folder.  Am I just not understanding
> what you said?  

Which boxes did you have ticked when clocking the OK button?

In my version, with just the "incoming mail" and "re-filter selected
messages only" boxes selected, for a single message in my TBUDL
folder, clicking "OK" gets me two dialog boxes. 

The first has a title of "test results" and a body text of "Processed
by: The Bat! User Discussion List. Actions performed: Moved to the
folder \\[Path to]\The Bat! User Discussion List. That dialog box also
has an "OK" button and when I click, the box disappears and shows the
second one that was hidden behind it. (My filter and my folder for
TBUDL messages are both called "The Bat! User Discussion List")

That one's title is "Test filters" and its body text is "Messages
processed: 1. Messages Filtered: 1. Re-filtering complete." There are
"Close" and "Help" buttons.

For what it's worth, ticking the "log filtering results" box appears 
to make no difference. The results of the "Test Filters" function do 
not appear in the account log. Maybe they are written to another file 
somewhere, but I have never felt the need to look for one.


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Re[2]: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Chris Wilson]

> Hello Chris,


>> I see the same, which is not really telling me how a message was
>> routed to that folder. I was expecting something that showed the
>> filter, or filters, used to move or copy it there.

> Have you ever taken a look at the Account's log? If not, please do. 
> 'Account/View log', or 'Shift+Ctrl+A' or click on bottom status bar.



09 November 2013


That works OK, thanks for the tip. I have looked at the log but failed
to see the additional usage it could be put to. Maybe if something as
elegant as Fortes implementation isn't forthcoming a mention in the
help as to how the log might be used for looking at filters could be
added? thanks MAU 

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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[MAU]

Hello Chris,


> I see the same, which is not really telling me how a message was
> routed to that folder. I was expecting something that showed the
> filter, or filters, used to move or copy it there.

Have you ever taken a look at the Account's log? If not, please do. 
'Account/View log', or 'Shift+Ctrl+A' or click on bottom status bar.

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Re[2]: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Chris Wilson]

> Hello MFPA,

> On Friday, November 08, 2013 you wrote:

M>> Right-click any message in The Bat! and select "Test Filters." You can
M>> find out the name of each filter that would process the message, and
M>> what action would be taken by the filter.

> Hmmm.  If I follow the above instructions and right-click on your message
> (running a later version of TB! than yours), then click "Test Filters" this is
> what I get:

> http://clip2net.com/s/68hktS

> And if I click "OK", this is what I get:

> http://clip2net.com/s/68hlX5

> I do have a filter that routes all incoming TB! messages to my TB! folder.  Am
> I just not understanding what you said?



08 November 2013


I see the same, which is not really telling me how a message was
routed to that folder. I was expecting something that showed the
filter, or filters, used to move or copy it there. I maintain this
would be a very useful feature, hope I haven't misunderstood the "Test
Filters" option, but I believe it does what it's supposed to do, but
I would like to see something showing the history of the copy / move
in future releases ;) Thanks.

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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Friday, November 08, 2013 you wrote:

M> Right-click any message in The Bat! and select "Test Filters." You can
M> find out the name of each filter that would process the message, and
M> what action would be taken by the filter.

Hmmm.  If I follow the above instructions and right-click on your message
(running a later version of TB! than yours), then click "Test Filters" this is
what I get:

http://clip2net.com/s/68hktS

And if I click "OK", this is what I get:

http://clip2net.com/s/68hlX5

I do have a filter that routes all incoming TB! messages to my TB! folder.  Am
I just not understanding what you said?

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Re: Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 6 November 2013 at 9:11:20 PM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:




> Not sure if this is an appropriate place to post this,
> but here goes.

 used to be the place but I don't know 
now that isn't working.


> Forte Agent has a very useful feature whereby you can
> view why it has filtered ("Routed" in Agent speak) a
> message to a certain folder. With lots of folders and
> the occasional complex filter I feel this would be an
> extremely useful addition to The Bat!

> Screen shot at http://www.gatesgarth.com/routing.jpg


Right-click any message in The Bat! and select "Test Filters." You can
find out the name of each filter that would process the message, and
what action would be taken by the filter. (I say "would" because it
tests using the current filter set, and you may have added, deleted,
or edited filters since that message came in.) As well as testing the
message against incoming filters you can also test it against read,
replied, or outgoing filters. Not pretty tables like your screenshot, 
but probably just as useful. I use it sometimes if a message appears 
in an unexpected folder, or to test after editing/adding filters.


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Feature request? Messages display filtering used.

[Chris Wilson]

06 November 2013



Not sure if this is an appropriate place to post this, but here goes.

Forte Agent has a very useful feature whereby you can view why it has
filtered ("Routed" in Agent speak) a message to a certain folder. With
lots of folders and the occasional complex filter I feel this would be
an extremely useful addition to The Bat!

Screen shot at http://www.gatesgarth.com/routing.jpg


Thanks.



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Re: [Feature request] disable auto-detection of S/Mime certificate to allow eID signatures

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 5 January 2010 at 9:52:56 PM, in
, Stephane Bouvard wrote:


> Hi,

> A small request i've already made a couple of time...
> just a hope that it could reach the right people at
> Ritlabs :)

I see you have asked on this list in previous years. Is it logged at 
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[Feature request] disable auto-detection of S/Mime certificate to allow eID signatures

[Stephane Bouvard]

Hi,

A small request i've already made a couple of time...  just a hope that it 
could reach the right people at Ritlabs :)

Could it be possible to manualy select a S/Mime certificate to sign an eMail ?

In Belgium, we use an eID : the electronic identity card, with this card we can 
use an officially certified certificate to sign our documents like emails...  
the problem with TheBat! is that this certificate does not contain any email 
address : the purpose is not to certify the email address, but the identity 
(name) like a real signature, wichever email address we use...  and TheBat! 
when i request to sign an email try to automatically find a certificate with my 
email address...  of course it does not work : TheBat! does not find the right 
certificate as it does not contain my EMail address, and thus TheBat! refuse to 
sign the message...  if only it could be possible to manually select a 
certificate... 

Of course, i *must* use the MS Crypto API and not the internal implementation, 
to be able to use the external eID reader configured for the MS Api...

>From my point of view it should not be too difficult to allow that, and would 
>be a really major improvement in usability of TheBat! in professional 
>environnement (eID signature is the only one recognized by law to certify an 
>email in Belgium, thus pgp or other certificates are not an option).  

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Re: Feature Request (or help?)

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Steven,
Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 8:53:00 AM, you wrote:

SPV> If I'm missing something, please help...

SPV> If not, please consider this a feature request...
You could use the redirect button. This lets you change the adressee
and make changes to the body. UnfortunatlyUnfortunately it seems to
reformat the message for some reason.

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Re: Feature Request (or help?)

[MAU]

Hello Steven,

> The closest I can see is 'Re-send', which prompted me
> about resending (I didn't) without ever offering any
> opportunity to edit/adjust.

Try "re-direct". That let's you edit the message.

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Re: Feature Request (or help?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Steven,

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:53:00 -0500 GMT (30/01/2008, 21:53 +0700 GMT),
Steven P Vallière wrote:

SPV> There are times when I would like to open a previously sent
SPV> message, make a few changes and send it again, sometimes to the
SPV> same person(s), sometimes to others.

Move or copy the message from the Sent folder to the Outbox, and
double-click on it there. It will open in the editor.

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Re: Feature Request (or help?)

[Mark Partous]

Hello Steven,

Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 3:53:00 PM, you wrote:

SPV> One can work around this shortcoming by creating a new
SPV> message and cut'n'pasting from the old one, but it seems
SPV> like it should be easy enough for the application to
SPV> further simplify this task, as Thunderbird has done.

Not the same as what you have in mind, but you could right-click on the
message, choose "send to folder", choose the out-folder and there you can
edit the message.


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Feature Request (or help?)

[Steven P Vallière]

There are times when I would like to open a previously
sent message, make a few changes and send it again,
sometimes to the same person(s), sometimes to others.

In Thunderbird, I'd just pick 'Edit as New' from the
Message menu, but I cannot find a similar option in TB.
The closest I can see is 'Re-send', which prompted me
about resending (I didn't) without ever offering any
opportunity to edit/adjust.

One can work around this shortcoming by creating a new
message and cut'n'pasting from the old one, but it seems
like it should be easy enough for the application to
further simplify this task, as Thunderbird has done.

If I'm missing something, please help...

If not, please consider this a feature request...

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A little trick needed (or feature request ...)

[Claude Renaud]

Hi,

  
  Does someone know if it is possible, using a command-line switch or
any other method, to enter the password on the command-line when using
OTFE ?

Greetings,

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Re: Synchronisation feature request

[Marten Gallagher]

> But the rest of the data (or the data you want - you
> need) could be put on a FTP server that you even can access the
> calendar or addressbook from different computers - without "thinking"
> of doing the synchronisation.

> What do you think about that?

Excellent idea. Let's do it

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Synchronisation feature request

[Martin Schneider]

Hello,

I already did post this mail to the BETA-List but I didn't get any
answer. So I try to start a discussion in the tbudl-list. Maybe you
like my idea, maybe not.

As I have seen "The Bat" offers a synchronisation function which is
very important. But as I see the funtion so far "only" offers the data
synchronisation by "manual file exchange".

What could be a nice feature would be that the file automatically is
uploaded on a ftp server (which everyone can configure by himself)
where some important data is stored globally (e.g. address books,
Scheduler, etc.) In theory even mails could be stored there, however
this would mean a lot of data transfer. Therefore an IMAP account is
more useful. But the rest of the data (or the data you want - you
need) could be put on a FTP server that you even can access the
calendar or addressbook from different computers - without "thinking"
of doing the synchronisation.

What do you think about that?

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Re: OT: Feature request - Google

[Henk de Bruijn]

Hello Leif,

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:47:07 -0700GMT (29-1-2004, 22:47 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

LG> Thursday, January 29, 2004, 2:16:55 PM, you wrote:
z>>> I've been using 'Daves' Quick Search Deskbar' for quite some time.
z>>> Works a treat. http://www.dqsd.net/

HdB>> Thanks! Will look into it and give it a try.

LG> 
LG> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
LG> just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
LG> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Henk.

LG> This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this
LG> on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain
LG> threading.)

Sorry, you´re right. I should have done the CC in my first reply.

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Re[2]: Feature request - Google

[Darrin]

> I've been using 'Daves' Quick Search Deskbar' for quite some time.
> Works a treat.
> http://www.dqsd.net/

Never heard of that before. Sounds great! Im going to check it out.
Thanks for posting it :)
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Re: Feature request - Google

[Henk de Bruijn]

Hello znark,

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:51:43 +1100GMT (29-1-2004, 21:51 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

z> G'day Henk,

>> I am using this for quite some time and it is working like a charm!
  
>> http://toolbar.google.com/deskbar/index.html

z> I've been using 'Daves' Quick Search Deskbar' for quite some time.
z> Works a treat.
z> http://www.dqsd.net/

Thanks! Will look into it and give it a try.

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Re: Feature request - Google

[Henk de Bruijn]

Hello William,

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:38:03 +GMT (29-1-2004, 18:38, where I
live), you wrote:

WM> I would like to see a great big yellow button on the tool bar which,
WM> when pressed, will link to www.google.com.

WM> This *may* reduce messages of the type: 'where can I find
WM> thispieceofsoftware?'.

I am using this for quite some time and it is working like a charm!
  
http://toolbar.google.com/deskbar/index.html

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Feature request - Google

[William Moore]

Hello TBUDL

I would like to see a great big yellow button on the tool bar which,
when pressed, will link to www.google.com.

This *may* reduce messages of the type: 'where can I find
thispieceofsoftware?'.

Removing tongue from cheek...
  
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Re[3]: Feature Request

[Scott]

> Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed
> to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of
> what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too
> difficult to tack on an account name to that. As it stands, I find it
> not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply "5
> messages received" or "error, blah blah" does not help me. In a single account
> scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an
> error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem.
> Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out.


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I keep trying to resize the log window to get more than 1 line always visible...
but I keep thinking a trip thru the help file will fix that one...


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Re[2]: Feature Request

[Scott]

> Hi Scott,

> It might be easier to look at the log file to se what the error was. I
> am assuming that do do not have to many errors that often.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I do not find it easy but then again I have multiple accounts (yea, more than
any normal person should have).  Since the bat is doing "nice" things for us
(like sign our name) I thought it could alert me to which account is having the
problems...  The other option I guess I could do is record 30 different wave
files, go into 30 different setup configs, and set up the error tone to play my
unique wave file... but I got the bat so I could continue to be lazy (hehe)

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Re[3]: Feature Request

[Scott]

>>> In this case the '@'-sign is changed into blue also.

TF>> The colour should be changed back to normal when a successful attempt
TF>> has been made.

> Sure, as in 'back to normal' being either 'no new/unread mail' (black)
> or 'unread mail' (blue), hence the actual state at that moment.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
State at that moment or last state reported... if last line in log file = error
than red, else normal.

So what does the blue @ mean???


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Re[2]: Feature Request

[Peter Ouwehand]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

on Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:05:45 +0700 (2003-11-28 02:05:45 in .nl) in the
message with reference  you wrote
(at least in part):
TF> [FETCH or SEND failed]
S>>>  on error, change folder name color would be cool.

>> Or change the '@'-sign to the left of the account name into red.

TF> Yes, that would be a good idea IMHO. But I fear that means another
TF> icon has to be added and that causes problems with the glymphs grid.
TF> Or does it?

My opinion: what problem?

TB! programming / functionality should not be limited by some glyphs
grid size. Adjust it, give it some version number, whatever to identify
it. Then the TB version using the extended glyphs can test the
glyphs-version and either accept or reject it. An older version should
not accept anything beyond 'what's defined for it' anyways (called 'good
programming', in other words: don't accept anything the program doesn't
don't know of), so there should be no problem there.

Version numbering / identification for _whatever_: the key to prevent
problems. Implementing the available information correctly is the next
key (accept / reject).

I think a red '@' is less intrusive (just informative) than a whole
'line' being marked. Also, marking a whole line may be confusing now the
new folder-color-groups seem to withstand beta tests.

Maybe the programmers find some way to accomplish this.


>> In this case the '@'-sign is changed into blue also.

TF> The colour should be changed back to normal when a successful attempt
TF> has been made.

Sure, as in 'back to normal' being either 'no new/unread mail' (black)
or 'unread mail' (blue), hence the actual state at that moment.

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Re: Feature Request

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:10:08 +0100 GMT (28/11/2003, 03:10 +0700 GMT),
Peter Ouwehand wrote:

[FETCH or SEND failed]
S>>  on error, change folder name color would be cool.

> Or change the '@'-sign to the left of the account name into red.

Yes, that would be a good idea IMHO. But I fear that means another
icon has to be added and that causes problems with the glymphs grid.
Or does it?

S>> Keep the bold for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error
S>> dings for that account

> In this case the '@'-sign is changed into blue also.

The colour should be changed back to normal when a successful attempt
has been made.

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Re[3]: Feature Request

[Vishal]

Thursday, November 27, 2003, 1:51:09 PM, you wrote:


V> Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective
V> than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One little
V> problem I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll
V> up/down the account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account
V> might not be immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain
V> fails to suggest a better alternative than below for now :)

Ok I've woken up. Just colors would be great..and the log panel thing was more
of a suggestion for the log panel that would have been slightly useful here
too.


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Re[2]: Feature Request

[Vishal]

Hi Thomas

Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote:


S>>> 1)  I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there 
is
S>>> an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same
S>>> sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the
S>>> problem  on error, change folder name color would be cool.  Keep the bold
S>>> for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account

TF> No; I have the same problem as Scott.

I agree with both of you. This would be very helpful.

TF> However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a pop-up is
TF> even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it easy to
TF> determine which account failed.

Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective
than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One problem
I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll up/down the
account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account might not be
immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain fails to
suggest a better alternative than below for now :)

Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed
to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of
what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too
difficult to tack on an account name to that error. As it stands, I find it
not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply "5
messages received" or "error, blah blah" does not help me. In a single account
scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an
error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem.
Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out.

Or we could have a little error panel button in there somewhere...ahhh..I need
to go wake up properly before I do this!

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Re: Feature Request

[Peter Ouwehand]

Hello Scott,

on Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:55:57 -0600 (2003-11-26 18:55:57 in .nl) in the
message with reference  you
wrote (at least in part):

S> 1)  I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is
S> an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same
S> sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the
S> problem  on error, change folder name color would be cool.

Or change the '@'-sign to the left of the account name into red.

S> Keep the bold for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error
S> dings for that account

In this case the '@'-sign is changed into blue also.

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Re: Feature Request

[MAU]

Hello Gerard,

> It might be easier to look at the log file to se what the error was. I
> am assuming that do do not have to many errors that often.

There is log file per account, so no big help.

I find Scott's feature request quite reasonable.

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Re[2]: Feature Request

[Vishal]

Hi Thomas

Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote:


S>>> 1)  I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there 
is
S>>> an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same
S>>> sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the
S>>> problem  on error, change folder name color would be cool.  Keep the bold
S>>> for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account

TF> No; I have the same problem as Scott.

I agree with both of you. This would be very helpful.

TF> However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a pop-up is
TF> even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it easy to
TF> determine which account failed.

Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective
than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One little
problem I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll
up/down the account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account
might not be immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain
fails to suggest a better alternative than below for now :)

Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed
to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of
what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too
difficult to tack on an account name to that. As it stands, I find it
not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply "5
messages received" or "error, blah blah" does not help me. In a single account
scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an
error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem.
Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out.

Or we could have a little error panel button in there somewhere...ahhh..I need
to go wake up properly before I do this!

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Re[2]: Feature Request

[Eric]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:24:56 +0700 GMT(27/11/2003, 1:24 AM + GMT), Thomas 
Fernandez wrote:

TF> I have the same problem as Scott. I get the error
TF> sound, but then I have to open the logs for currently 12
TF> accounts (others have more) to see which account it was
TF> that failed to pick up mail.

I've the same problem too. Something like this proposal
would be a real help.

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Re: Feature Request

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gerard,

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:14:43 +0100 GMT (27/11/2003, 02:14 +0700 GMT),
Gerard wrote:

S>> 1)  I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there 
is
S>> an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same
S>> sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the
S>> problem  on error, change folder name color would be cool.  Keep the bold
S>> for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account

> It might be easier to look at the log file to se what the error was. I
> am assuming that do do not have to many errors that often.

No; I have the same problem as Scott. I get the error sound, but then
I have to open the logs for currently 12 accounts (others have more)
to see which account it was that failed to pick up mail.

What he is asking for, and I second that, is an easy way to determine
which account has a problem. If this is done by colouring the account
name (not folder name), I would also think that the colour should be
changed back to normal when the mail check is successful the next
time. However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a
pop-up is even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it
easy to determine which account failed.

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Re: Feature Request

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 6:55:57 PM, you wrote:
S> 1)  I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is
S> an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same
S> sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the
S> problem  on error, change folder name color would be cool.  Keep the bold
S> for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account

S> 2) The ability to have TheBat check email 1 account at a time (sequential or in
S> a que) instead of multi-thread all accounts (set to that time) at once checking.

Hi Scott,

It might be easier to look at the log file to se what the error was. I
am assuming that do do not have to many errors that often.

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Feature Request

[Scott]

1)  I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is
an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same
sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the
problem  on error, change folder name color would be cool.  Keep the bold
for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account

2) The ability to have TheBat check email 1 account at a time (sequential or in
a que) instead of multi-thread all accounts (set to that time) at once checking.

Scott
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Re: Feature request!

[myob]

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:50:41 -0600 GMT(05/03/2003, 4:50 PM + GMT), Spyder wrote:


S> Why not go 1 step further and change the font color of the errored account in
S> the account list to red (or some other configurable color)?  The account is
S> bolding when unread messages are in it...  I don't know that I could remember 30
S> different sounds for error and email is here.


Yes - I'd support that strongly!




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Re: Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Tim Musson]

Hey Peter,

My MUA believes 'Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws72 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu)' 
was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, March 7, 2003 at 3:54:53 PM.

PP> Albeit I wouldn't use Notepad, but my beloved GViM :-)

I am with you there Peter!  I had to decode a M$ Ol header file, but
first I had to save it to disk!  Would be much nicer to just right
click, and open in gVim!

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Re: simple feature request

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Sunday, March 09, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote...

>>>   i wish:
>>>   - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

>> There is a way around this... set all your accounts to send at time
>> of checking mail (combined delivery check box found in account
>> properties, transport)... the go into the shortcut editor, and
>> assign a shortcut key to "check mail for all accounts"... That
>> should work I imagine.

> You have an idea here, but it is easier than you think:

> Go into the shortcut editor and assign a shortcut to "Send + Check
> for All". It's under [Info} Send/Receive drodown.

Heh... fancy that... They have two menus with the same options, the
second one having an additional option. Although I can see why,
they're trying to build a tree to match the list of menus based on
what you get when you do certain things. I only looked under the
system tray pop-up... Didn't think to go any further as I'd have
assumed they'd be mapped to the same functions. Which would be a
logical assumption I guess... "Send for all accounts" should be the
same whether it from the system tray, or when you are reading a
mail... I'd have thought anyway... :)

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Re: simple feature request

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jonathan,

On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:44:57 -0600 GMT (10/03/03, 05:44 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:

>>   i wish:
>>   - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

>   There is a way around this... set all your accounts to send at time
>   of checking mail (combined delivery check box found in account
>   properties, transport)... the go into the shortcut editor, and
>   assign a shortcut key to "check mail for all accounts"... That
>   should work I imagine.

You have an idea here, but it is easier than you think:

Go into the shortcut editor and assign a shortcut to "Send + Check
for All". It's under [Info} Send/Receive drodown.

BTW, @TaskControl: The shortcut editor is under View and not under
Tools, as one would expect.

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Re: simple feature request

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Task,

On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:29:28 -0400GMT (9-3-03, 23:29 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

TC>   i wish: - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

Simple, just press F11

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Re: simple feature request

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On Sunday, March 09, 2003, Task Control wrote...

>   i wish:
>   - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

>   I never use Check for all, i never use Send for all

  There is a way around this... set all your accounts to send at time
  of checking mail (combined delivery check box found in account
  properties, transport)... the go into the shortcut editor, and
  assign a shortcut key to "check mail for all accounts"... That
  should work I imagine.

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Re: simple feature request

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Task,

On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:29:28 -0400 GMT (10/03/03, 05:29 +0700 GMT),
Task Control wrote:

>   i wish:
>   - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

Alt-F2 does that over here.

>   I never use Check for all, i never use Send for all
  
Me neither. That's why I have marked Combined Delivery (send +
receive) in all accounts under Account / Properties / Transport.

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Re: simple feature request

[David Calvarese]

 On Sunday, March 09, 2003 at 18:29:28GMT -0400 (which was 5:29 PM where I live)
  Task Control wrote and made these points on the subject of "simple feature request":
TC> Hellow tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com

TC>   i wish:
TC>   - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

TC>   I never use Check for all, i never use Send for all

As a quick fix, I think you could check the combined send and receive
box for each account, then a check all would send and receive for all of
them, I think.

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simple feature request

[Task Control]

Hellow tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com

  i wish:
  - a shortcut key to: Send And Check for all.

  I never use Check for all, i never use Send for all
  

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Re: Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Peter,


> Albeit I wouldn't use Notepad, but my beloved GViM :-)

OK, OK, understand. And I would use my beloved TextPad :-)

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Re: Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Miguel,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:28:04 +0100 "Miguel A. Urech"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I HATE HATE HATE HTML emails... but it appears that most newer users don't
>> know any better and send emails in them.  I love the way that The Bat
>> makes them seperate files/attachments so that I do not have to endure the
>> HTML hoopla. When I get the attachment, I would like to view it as source
>> code and not the HTML.

> What's wrong with F9?

Nothing. But there are times when even _me_ is to k.o. to "translate"
base64-encoded stuff to plain-text HTML source, so I guess Spyder has
reached this limit sometimes too :-)

OK, I was so crazy writing my own Base64-en/decrypter for better
handling SpamCop-reports (I want to strip those random numbers befor
submitting the mails), but an "Open with ..." option for some file types
/ types of extensions (e.g. .att, etc ...) would be nice :-) Albeit I
wouldn't use Notepad, but my beloved GViM :-)
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Re: Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Spyder,

> I HATE HATE HATE HTML emails... but it appears that most newer users don't know
> any better and send emails in them.  I love the way that The Bat makes them
> seperate files/attachments so that I do not have to endure the HTML hoopla.
> When I get the attachment, I would like to view it as source code and not the
> HTML.

What's wrong with F9?

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Re: Feature request!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ricardo,

> I'd rather have a visual thingie :)
>
> a. if winamp is running you might miss the error sound
> b. I hate these plings and ploings everytime Windows scews up. I don't
> want to see The Bat! going on the same route...
> c. A visual someting is better because it will probably stay on the
> screen untill you've seen it and can give you more info than a sound.

It all depends on the colour of the glasses you are looking through.
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Re: Feature request!

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Re: Feature request!

[Ricardo van Eck]

Hello Fabio,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 17:11:46, you wrote:

FBO> Hi,

FBO> I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
FBO> no replies at all.

FBO> I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
FBO> sound to each account.

FBO> I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
FBO> have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
FBO> my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
FBO> problem.


FBO> Best regards
FBO> 
FBO> Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
FBO> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FBO> Safe Networks Informática LTDA.
FBO> http://www.safenetworks.com


FBO> 
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I'd rather have a visual thingie :)

a. if winamp is running you might miss the error sound
b. I hate these plings and ploings everytime Windows scews up. I don't
want to see The Bat! going on the same route...
c. A visual someting is better because it will probably stay on the
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Feature Request - Launch into Notepad

[Spyder]

I HATE HATE HATE HTML emails... but it appears that most newer users don't know
any better and send emails in them.  I love the way that The Bat makes them
seperate files/attachments so that I do not have to endure the HTML hoopla.
When I get the attachment, I would like to view it as source code and not the
HTML.

Can we add a right click option for the attachments to "Open in Notepad" or
"open with"??

Thanks!!

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Re: Feature request!

[Spyder]

Why not go 1 step further and change the font color of the errored account in
the account list to red (or some other configurable color)?  The account is
bolding when unread messages are in it...  I don't know that I could remember 30
different sounds for error and email is here.

Scott
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 10:11:46 AM, you wrote:

> Hi,

> I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
> no replies at all.

> I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
> sound to each account.

> I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
> have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
> my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
> problem.


> Best regards
> 
> Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Safe Networks Informática LTDA.
> http://www.safenetworks.com


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Re: Feature request!

[David Calvarese]

Hello Fabio,

Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 11:11:46 AM, you wrote:

FBO> Hi,

FBO> I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
FBO> no replies at all.

FBO> I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
FBO> sound to each account.

FBO> I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
FBO> have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
FBO> my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
FBO> problem.


FBO> Best regards
FBO> 
FBO> Fabio Bastiglia Oliva - Diretor
FBO> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Feature request!

[Fabio Bastiglia Oliva]

Hi,

I already asked here for this feature here (in 2001 I think) but I got
no replies at all.

I  think that could be a good feature a different (configurable) error
sound to each account.

I  have a lot of different accounts here (I think that a lot of people
have  too)... and every time I hear a error sound (windows asterisk in
my  case)  I  need  to  search  the  logs to know which account have a
problem.


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Re: Global filters (was:: Plug-in/Feature Request...)

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Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'

TF> Hm. I would think in each account you give each global filter a
TF> position (or not, if you don't want the filter to be applied to that
TF> account). In a central location, maybe under QuickTemplates, you
TF> update/maintain the global filters centrally, and each update of
TF> course applies to each account in which this global filter is in the
TF> filter list, and exactly at the position in the order of filters
TF> where the global filter is mentioned.

TF> Am I making sense?

You seem to be describing a sort of like 'common filter' system
dialog.

You define your common filters in this dialog. You then add them as
needed to your various accounts. If you need to make a change to a
common filter, it would then propagate to all the accounts where the
filter is added.

This system would be easier than the current one, only in so far as
updating or changing the filter is concerned, wouldn't it? You still
have to go to each account and add it, the same as copy and pasting
in the current system.

Global filters really should be just a matter of creating the filter
and whammo, it works on all accounts. No need to be adding them to
each account. If you need anything other than this, then go the
currently implemented method of copying and pasting the filter to
the accounts which you wish the filter to be applied.

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Global filters (was:: Plug-in/Feature Request...)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:58:11 -0500 GMT (23/02/03, 19:58 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

> If you used a global filter, how would TB! know where to apply the
> filter. In fact, it may very well apply global filters first.

Hm. I would think in each account you give each global filter a
position (or not, if you don't want the filter to be applied to that
account). In a central location, maybe under QuickTemplates, you
update/maintain the global filters centrally, and each update of
course applies to each account in which this global filter is in the
filter list, and exactly at the position in the order of filters where
the global filter is mentioned.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

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Tim Fountain [TF] wrote:'

TF> On a semi-related note, does anyone know if it's possible to setup a
TF> global filter of some sort that applies to all accounts?

No. This isn't possible. It will likely be possible in later
versions.

TF> It's a little tedious to have to setup the spam filter on all seven
TF> of my accounts.

With regards to spam filtering, it's best to place the spam filters
at the bottom of the incoming filters list. In this way, TB!
checks messages last with the spam filters.

If you used a global filter, how would TB! know where to apply the
filter. In fact, it may very well apply global filters first.

I do have a few filters that could be applied globally. However,
I wouldn't do so with my spam filter since it's position in the
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Tim Fountain]

On Saturday, February 22, 2003, James Olsen wrote:

> There's also free Win32 version that you can very easily use with
> ANY email client called SAProxy (http://saproxy.bloomba.com/). It
> will scan messages and flag them as SPAM (based on your
> configuration) as they are downloaded from your server to your
> client.

I hadn't heard about this program before although I know about spam
assasin. After reading this recommendation I installed it and it does
work very well. It doesn't catch all spam but I'd say about 90%, and
it is very easy to setup.

On a semi-related note, does anyone know if it's possible to setup a
global filter of some sort that applies to all accounts?  It's a
little tedious to have to setup the spam filter on all seven of my
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello John,

> I looked over the manual, but it was way to vague for me.
> Especially when all I ever seen from the program was a DOS program.

A DOS program

If you have installed POPFile you should have aPOPFile Program group
in Star/Programs. There you have access to two versions of the manual,
one local (installed) if you click Manual and one on-line if you
select Support/POPFile Manual.

To configure POPFile you have to select "POPFile User Interface" from
the same Program group. The UI is in HTML and will show in your
browser.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Saturday, February 22, 2003, 22:11, John Morse wrote:

M>> | Installing POPFile
M>> | Setting up Buckets for mail classification 
M>> | Getting your email program to work with POPFile 
M>> | Training POPFile

> I looked over the manual, but it was way to vague for me.
> Especially when all I ever seen from the program was a DOS program.

There is a web interface. Take a look at the bottom of
http://popfile.sourceforge.net/manual/installing.html

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[John Morse]

Miguel A. Urech wrote:
M> | Installing POPFile 
M> | Setting up Buckets for mail classification 
M> | Getting your email program to work with POPFile 
M> | Training POPFile

I looked over the manual, but it was way to vague for me.
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello John,

> I never could figure out how to setup Popfile.

Once installed the Manual is available:

,- [  ]
| To learn how to set up POPFile, please choose one of the following options.
| 
| Installing POPFile 
| Setting up Buckets for mail classification 
| Getting your email program to work with POPFile 
| Training POPFile 
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Krister,

> May i ask why? Is Spampal harder to set up? Less ackurate? I also want
> to use the best, so am curious as to why folks prefer one thing over
> the other, but it's also of course a matter of preference.

I'm only interested in Bayesian classification and that is only one of
the options in Spampal (actually a plugin if I recall) and I also
found POFile easier to manage and more accurate but, like English
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[John Morse]

Krister Ekstrom wrote:
MAU>> Yes, for a couple of days and decided to stay with POPFile.

I never could figure out how to setup Popfile.
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

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>> Have you guys used SpamPal ?

MAU> Yes, for a couple of days and decided to stay with POPFile.

May i ask why? Is Spampal harder to set up? Less ackurate? I also want
to use the best, so am curious as to why folks prefer one thing over
the other, but it's also of course a matter of preference.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Peter Fjelsten]

~John,

On 22-02-2003 01:25, you [~] wrote in
:
~> Peter Fjelsten wrote:
M>>> But that is also because Spampal has the option to "bounce" (actually
M>>> a reply) spam messages which, to my knowledge, is completely wrong in
M>>> concept. If bounce (or reply to) real spam it will get nowhere :)

~> I didn't know SpamPal was capable of this... could you tell me where
~> this feature is located in SpamPal.

I didn't write that, Miguel did. I asked for where he found that, too.

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[James Olsen]

Hello Al,

AJ> Could you share your spam filters with the group? It seems I am
AJ> constantly adding words and I know there must be another, simpler way.

I'm doing this a bit differently. Instead of trying to invent my own
spam filters (reinvent the wheel, again), I'm using some free tools
that are available. My mail is scanned for "spamability" on my linux
box using the free Spam Assassin (www.spamassassin.org) and MIME
Defang tools (www.roaringpenguin.com). By the time TB downloads my
messages they've already been assessed for SPAM probability. But those
of you without an email server you can add antispam software to,
you're in luck. There's also free Win32 version that you can very
easily use with ANY email client called SAProxy
(http://saproxy.bloomba.com/). It will scan messages and flag them as
SPAM (based on your configuration) as they are downloaded from your
server to your client. I use this to filter my work email, since my
employer doesn't have any spam filtering system in place. To use it
simply change two things in your email client configuration and voila,
now all of your incoming mail is scanned for Spaminess, and marked up
accordingly (rewriting subject, adding a hidden header line, or
whatever you configure it to do). Then you can add a filter to TheBat
to act on this flag (if header X-SPAM: Yes exists, then automatically
delete message, for example). Works very, very well.

Spam Assassin uses more than looking for keywords like "sex" and
"viagra", etc. It will look for things like SHOUTING TOO MUCH, as seen
on tv, subjects with numbers at the end, too many recipients, unlisted
recipients, click here to remove, etc. etc. Heck, this message might
get flagged just because it contains to many phrases. It also looks
for things like single-image HTML emails (the latest trick by spammers
to get around keyword filters), HTML emails with too much red text,
etc. Someone else is already trying to keep ahead of spammers, I don't
have the time to update it myself. Plus, it can optionally plug into
the Razor and other RBL databases which lets you fingerprint messages
and compare incoming messages to a database of known spam messages. It
also lets you reject emails from known spam-only hosts.

This is all stuff TB filters can't handle, can't handle very well, or
would be a complete bear to set up and maintain. So I'll let my email
server or SAProxy on my desktop determine if it thinks the message is
SPAM or not, and then I'll filter in TB based on what SpamAssassin
determines.

But the coolest tool on the horizon is contained in latest version of
Spam Assassin: Bayesian filtering. This sounds to be the most
promising *learning* method of distinguishing SPAM from "HAM" (good
messages). From what I read it has a very low (1%) false-positive
rate. That's better that practically all other tests in use at the
moment. But to make Bayesian filtering work well, you need to send it
SPAM and HAM messages so it can learn the difference. So, what I'm
ultimately looking for is a way to save messages designated as SPAM in
MBOX format with original headers. Same with my HAM messages. Then I
need to send these two mboxes to my linux box and tell Spam Assassin
to "train" itself using the latest email messages I'm feeding it. It's
this training process I would like to automate.

Anyhow, I thought you might find all that interesting... :)

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Re[3]: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to definea plugin to do something on a message or group of messages

[Mike Alexander]

Hi Spike,

Friday, February 21, 2003, 8:08:13 PM, you wrote:


S> My CNET virus newsletter filter picked up his hccnet.nl address by
S> mistake.  It automagically sends these virus newsletters out to a
S> group containing 11,589 members.  Let's see that 19 messages X 11,589
S> members, that's 220,191 bogus messages this just sent out.  Nice job
S> Frank, that probably caused a spike in traffic similar to a minor
S> viral or DOS attack!

S> I've modified the filter to avoid this by including two filter
S> criteria, but it is difficult as the subject line evolves
S> occasionally.  Putting it AFTER my TBUDL filter should help as well.

Sorry, Spike but,

ROFLMAO!!!


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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

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Hi Al,

@21-Feb-2003, 08:46 -0800 (16:46 UK time) Al Jacobus [AJ] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

AJ> Could you share your spam filters with the group? It seems I am
AJ> constantly adding words and I know there must be another,
AJ> simpler way.

First - specific filters - those who know me and I know - move to
various folders.
Then - Anyone in my address book - move to Inbox
Next - non-specific filter - catch those directly to me *except*
some special. Here is that filter:

BeginFilter
Name: To Me
Active: 1
Source: \\Inbox
Target: \\Inbox
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 10silverstones.com
MainSet: 21\s{3,}
MainSet: 21\$
MainSet: 31As seen on
MainSet: 01\d{4,}
MainSet: 31EXTRA INCOME?
MainSet: 31adult site
MainSet: 21Mortgage Rates
MainSet: 20Money for webmaster
MainSet: 50Bat!
MainSet: 00expedia
Actions: faoRegExp,faSetColor
ColourGroup: ToMe
EndFilter

I add other exemptions to this (messages that *are* spam but are
directly addressed to me are rare).

Finally - anything else is spam. Move it to my anti-spam folder.

That's what I do. It's 99.99% reliable. Unlike mailwasher, it
doesn't choke and send 500 bounce messages to non-spam originators
when you unlease backlogged mail after a holiday. It just works
quietly and simply.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[~John]

Peter Fjelsten wrote:
M>> But that is also because Spampal has the option to "bounce" (actually
M>> a reply) spam messages which, to my knowledge, is completely wrong in
M>> concept. If bounce (or reply to) real spam it will get nowhere :)

I didn't know SpamPal was capable of this... could you tell me where
this feature is located in SpamPal.
(I know "bouncing" is not a good way to fight spam, I know that, so please no
replies in that regard)

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Peter Fjelsten]

Miguel,

On 21-02-2003 21:42, you [M] wrote in
:
M> But that is also because Spampal has the option to "bounce" (actually
M> a reply) spam messages which, to my knowledge, is completely wrong in
M> concept. If bounce (or reply to) real spam it will get nowhere :)

?

Is that a plug-in? Not that I would use it - bouncing is hardly solution
and probably does way more harm.


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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Luc]

 Good night Tim,
  
It was foretold that on 21-2-2003 @ 06:53:20 GMT+1100 (which was
20:53:20 where I live) Tim would mumble:
  

T> For Windows, there's a simple installer that will install the minimum
T> Perl needed. 
  
 Yep, that did the trick. Tnx.
 
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Michael,

I downloaded SpamPal two days ago because of people on this list.  It
was very easy to setup and works awesome and invisible.  I put all my
spam in a spam trap folder, as suggested on the author's website.
Once a day, I go into the spam trap folder and add users to my
whitelist that got caught by accident.  I believe that in a couple of
weeks, everyone I want mail from will be on my white list.  Others, I
just delete for now.  When SpamPal is fully setup, I'll start
forwarding things to spamcop.

Michael

Friday, February 21, 2003, 1:46:46 PM, you wrote:



MG> Hi Thomas and list,

MG> On Friday, February 21, 2003 at 02:36:06 GMT +0700 (which was 20:36
MG> where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made
MG> these valuable points on the subject of "Plug-in/Feature Request to
MG> allow one to define a plugin to do something on a message or group of
MG> messages":

>> I haven't used spampal, but I see that it is not that easy to
>> configure, judging from the recent flushing of TBUDL by one Frank
>> Nijkamp. ;-)

MG> You can't hold spampal responsible for a wrong configuration.

MG> Apart from a terribly wrong configuration, I think it's quite stupid
MG> to send a reply to a spammer.

MG> I configured Spampal with a white list from my adressbook the first
MG> thing after installing (being carefull to have _all_ my mailing-lists in
MG> the whitelist), selecting some (!) DNSBL-Lists and after a weeks
MG> success with the bayesian-plugin.

MG> SpamPal works charmingly now for me. I empty my spamfolder once a ay
MG> to Spamcop .
 

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Thomas and list,

On Friday, February 21, 2003 at 02:36:06 GMT +0700 (which was 20:36
where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made
these valuable points on the subject of "Plug-in/Feature Request to
allow one to define a plugin to do something on a message or group of
messages":

> I haven't used spampal, but I see that it is not that easy to
> configure, judging from the recent flushing of TBUDL by one Frank
> Nijkamp. ;-)

You can't hold spampal responsible for a wrong configuration.

Apart from a terribly wrong configuration, I think it's quite stupid
to send a reply to a spammer.

I configured Spampal with a white list from my adressbook the first
thing after installing (being carefull to have _all_ my mailing-lists in
the whitelist), selecting some (!) DNSBL-Lists and after a weeks
success with the bayesian-plugin.

SpamPal works charmingly now for me. I empty my spamfolder once a ay
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Thomas,

> I haven't used spampal, but I see that it is not that easy to
> configure, judging from the recent flushing of TBUDL by one Frank
> Nijkamp. ;-)

But that is also because Spampal has the option to "bounce" (actually
a reply) spam messages which, to my knowledge, is completely wrong in
concept. If bounce (or reply to) real spam it will get nowhere :)

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[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello ~John,

> Have you guys used SpamPal ?

Yes, for a couple of days and decided to stay with POPFile.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Mark,

> I'm willing to give POPFile a try, however. What is the URL?

  http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

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Re[2]: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to definea plugin to do something on a message or group of messages

[Spike]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On or about Friday, February 21, 2003 at 02:52:02GMT +0700 (which was
2:52 PM in the tropics where I live) Thomas Fernandez posted:

TF> Come again? How can that misconfigured spampal reply have triggered a
TF> filter to send the message to 11,000+ people?

My CNET virus newsletter filter picked up his hccnet.nl address by
mistake.  It automagically sends these virus newsletters out to a
group containing 11,589 members.  Let's see that 19 messages X 11,589
members, that's 220,191 bogus messages this just sent out.  Nice job
Frank, that probably caused a spike in traffic similar to a minor
viral or DOS attack!

I've modified the filter to avoid this by including two filter
criteria, but it is difficult as the subject line evolves
occasionally.  Putting it AFTER my TBUDL filter should help as well.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Gerard]

ON Friday, February 21, 2003, 5:46:39 PM, you wrote:
AJ> Could you share your spam filters with the group? It seems I am
AJ> constantly adding words and I know there must be another, simpler way.


Al,

Here is my tip:
After filtering out al "know" email try searching for "To unsubscribe"
in TEXT. I have found that almost all spam has this near the bottom sof
their mails.

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Re[2]: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin todo something on a message or group of messages

[Mark Partous]

Hello Miguel,

Friday, February 21, 2003, 7:57:08 PM, you wrote:

MAU> Hello Clive,

>> I disagree. After one month's training Popfile is running at 99.5%
>> accuracy. I'm left with maybe one spam message every two days that's
>> not filtered into my spam folder. Impressive,

MAU> Fully agree with you about POPFile. I get an average of 30 spam
MAU> messages per day and the last time I saw a false positive was a couple
MAU> of weeks ago. As you say, impresive!


AAMOF, I'm rather happy with using a simple, though "growing" filter.

I tried to install Spampal, but that did not work, all downloading of
messages failed.

Perhaps I must be glad, judging on the number of messages Frank's
Spampal seems to have sent...

I'm willing to give POPFile a try, however. What is the URL?

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[~John]

Miguel A. Urech wrote:
>> I disagree. After one month's training Popfile is running at 99.5%
>> accuracy. I'm left with maybe one spam message every two days that's
>> not filtered into my spam folder. Impressive,

M> Fully agree with you about POPFile. I get an average of 30 spam
M> messages per day and the last time I saw a false positive was a couple
M> of weeks ago. As you say, impresive!

Have you guys used SpamPal ? and if so, could you tell me why Popfile
is better? Just curious, as I want to use the best one for trial.

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Re: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define aplugin to do something on a message or group of messages

[Frank Nijkamp]

Since I'm using Spampal, all Spam is refused. Your mail is recognised
as spam. If this is not the case, please reply this message without
altering the subject.

On vrijdag 21 februari 2003 at 9:07 you wrote

subject: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to do 
something on a message or group of messages


CT> Hello James

JO>> I'd like to take a message/messages and submit them to a Bayesian
JO>> filter to learn my "good" versus "spam" messages.


CT> Try POPFile from http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

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Re: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define aplugin to do something on a message or group of messages

[Frank Nijkamp]

Since I'm using Spampal, all Spam is refused. Your mail is recognised
as spam. If this is not the case, please reply this message without
altering the subject.

On vrijdag 21 februari 2003 at 11:00 you wrote

subject: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to do 
something on a message or group of messages



G> ON Thursday, February 20, 2003, 10:24:23 PM, you wrote:

JO>> Everyone's suggestions and comments are very appreciated.


G> Hi James,

G> I will assume that you have seen that there is an option in the filter
G> dialogs to execute an external program under actions.

G> The way I would do it would be to move or copy the msg I want to work on
G> (manually or automatic by using filters) to a specific folder. I would
G> then create a filter for the folder in the the READ section or make one
G> that executes on a short-cut command.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Clive,

> I disagree. After one month's training Popfile is running at 99.5%
> accuracy. I'm left with maybe one spam message every two days that's
> not filtered into my spam folder. Impressive,

Fully agree with you about POPFile. I get an average of 30 spam
messages per day and the last time I saw a false positive was a couple
of weeks ago. As you say, impresive!

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 On 21 Feb 2003 16:13:35 , you typed:


M>> Anyone running a private mailserver on a dial-up has their IP listed
M>> in the blacklists.

PF> There are many different blacklists. Some are more aggressive than
PF> others. I agree that they may hit some innocent people but with SpamPal
PF> _you_ can decide what to do with the marked messages and you can
PF> "whitelist" yourself.

Is this spampal thingy something like Mailwasher so that you first
have to go into one program and download mail to mark it as spam or
whatever and then go to the mail program? If so, i'd stick with the
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[Clive Taylor]

Hello Peter

~>> Or try SpamPal http://www.spampal.org.uk/

PF> Yeah, much better as it has both Bayesian and blacklist lookup.


I disagree. After one month's training Popfile is running at 99.5%
accuracy. I'm left with maybe one spam message every two days that's
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[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Al,

> Could you share your spam filters with the group? It seems I am
> constantly adding words and I know there must be another, simpler way.

Use POPFile from http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ which takes care by
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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Al Jacobus]

Hello Marck,

Could you share your spam filters with the group? It seems I am
constantly adding words and I know there must be another, simpler way.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

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Hi Peter,

@21-Feb-2003, 16:13 +0100 (15:13 UK time) Peter Fjelsten [PF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

PF> With the amount of spam today I feel this is the only way to go.

... if blacklists have a positive effect on incoming spam, sure. I
don't believe they do.

M>> Spammers seldom use the same route twice, preferring to use
M>> non-blacklisted addresses.

PF> Then people better make sure their SMTP server does accept
PF> connections from just anyone.

:-?

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Hi ~John,

@21-Feb-2003, 09:08 -0600 (15:08 UK time) ~John [j] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

M>> Blacklists are dangerous and don't work IMNSHO.

j> thanks Marck, could you recommend how you would setup SpamPal ?

I don't use it myself. I am trying out some of the new plugins but
don't see any advantage over a decent set of filters.

Very few spam messages get left in my inbox. In fact, it's weeks
since I had one in there. They all get moved to my spam box. From
there, I check for "slip throughs" (real mail - for which I set up a
new exemption filter) and submit the rest to spamcop.

Looking back in my Anti-Spam trash folder, I see a maximum of 13
spams per day. That's not huge and it seems to me to be stable at
around that amount. I attribute the low number to consistent use of
SpamCop.

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Peter Fjelsten]

Marck,

On 21-02-2003 16:01, you [M] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
PF>> Yeah, much better as it has both Bayesian and blacklist lookup.

M> Blacklists are dangerous and don't work IMNSHO.

M> Anyone running a private mailserver on a dial-up has their IP listed
M> in the blacklists.

There are many different blacklists. Some are more aggressive than
others. I agree that they may hit some innocent people but with SpamPal
_you_ can decide what to do with the marked messages and you can
"whitelist" yourself.

With the amount of spam today I feel this is the only way to go.

M> Spammers seldom use the same route twice, preferring to use
M> non-blacklisted addresses.

Then people better make sure their SMTP server does accept connections
from just anyone.


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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[~John]

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
M> Blacklists are dangerous and don't work IMNSHO.

thanks Marck, could you recommend how you would setup SpamPal ?

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Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Peter,

@21-Feb-2003, 15:53 +0100 (14:53 UK time) Peter Fjelsten [PF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

~>> Or try SpamPal http://www.spampal.org.uk/

PF> Yeah, much better as it has both Bayesian and blacklist lookup.

Blacklists are dangerous and don't work IMNSHO.

Anyone running a private mailserver on a dial-up has their IP listed
in the blacklists.

Anyone with the misfortune to inherit an IP address long ago
abandoned by spammers has a huge problem getting off blacklists.

Spammers seldom use the same route twice, preferring to use
non-blacklisted addresses.

In fact, the majority of folks penalised by blacklists are the
innocent.

My IP address is on the relays.osiris blacklist as a dialup and I am
unable to send mail to some folks. Not without switching to use my
ISP's server instead of my own. I prefer to use my own - I know when
mail is not getting through and messages *never* disappear on my ISP
servers.

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