Quoting

[G. Minnerup]

I'm having a strange problem - I'm probably not the first/only one so apologies if 
this is a FAQ, I've been off the list for a while:

I have a reply template with %QUOTES in it. I usually highlight a section of the 
message I am replying to and hit F4. That works as expected, but only when replying to 
messages without previous quotes in it. When I try the same with one of those messages 
people send me with several "generations" of previous messages quoted at the end, and 
I select the whole lot for quoting, nothing appears in the reply message except my 
signature. In fact, even the Dear %FNAME macro doesn't work then.

Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

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quoting

[Dan Kalafus]

Does anyone know a way to keep blank lines out of blocks of quoted
text?  In other words

option1> keeping a paragraph linked to another paragraph in a block of
option1> quoted text
option1>
option1> Like this.

option2> as opposed to

option2> this kind of thing.

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quoting and >

[ken green]

Have anyone else noticed that The Bat will put an extra > on a reply
even if it finds one mid-sentence?

I've never noticed this before, but I just replied to a message that
contained the following line:

(my guess is >$1000).

Note that this was not at the begginning or end of a line.

When I replied, the quoted text contained:

(my guess is >>$1000).

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Re: Quoting

[G. Minnerup]

OK, since there have been no takers, let me try to clarify the question:

Many people simply append previous messages as quotes to the bottom of theirs. I know 
this is not good practice, generally speaking, but if I want to quote the whole lot - 
latest message and trail of previous ones - in order to preserve the chain, how do I 
go about it? %QUOTES only seems to accept the current message being replied to.


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Re: Quoting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello G.,

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 16:04:48 +1100 GMT (07/03/2004, 12:04 +0700 GMT),
G. Minnerup wrote:

> Many people simply append previous messages as quotes to the
> bottom of theirs. I know this is not good practice, generally
> speaking,

It depends on the situation. It is my standard setting.

> but if I want to quote the whole lot - latest message and trail of
> previous ones - in order to preserve the chain, how do I go about
> it? %QUOTES only seems to accept the current message being replied
> to.

Drag and drop all messages you want to quote (a whole thread, for
example) into the message you are writing. The dragged&dropped
messages will be MIME-attached and can be openend by hte recipient. If
he uses TB, he can even brwose them in threaded view.

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Re: Quoting

[Robin Anson]

On Sun 7 March 2004, 16:04:48 +1000, G. Minnerup wrote:
> OK, since there have been no takers, let me try to clarify the question:
> 
> Many people simply append previous messages as quotes to the bottom
> of theirs. I know this is not good practice, generally speaking, but if
> I want to quote the whole lot - latest message and trail of previous
> ones - in order to preserve the chain, how do I go about it? %QUOTES
> only seems to accept the current message being replied to.

As you've noted elsewhere, that isn't the case, but as has also been
noted, %Quotes drops everything after the last cut mark. I use the
following reply template to mimic the way that MS Outlook replies.

Reply Template (MS style)===
%Subject="Re: %QInclude(CleanSubject)"%-
%QInclude(Greet_All_Recipients)

%Cursor

Robin

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---Original Message 
 From   : %OFromName <%OFromAddr>
 To : %OToList
 Subject: %QInclude(CleanSubject)
 Date   : %QInclude(YourDate) at %QInclude(YourTime)
   
%TEXT



Obviously there are a couple of my personal QTs in that, but I'm sure you
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Text quoting

[John]

I  was running Agent for both email and news but am
trying out Bat for email only

Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
"reply"  key.  and a reply composition window would
open with the selected text already quoted.

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Re:Text quoting

[Clive Taylor]

Hi John,

> Can Bat do this?

Select your text and hit F4.
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Selective quoting

[Kenneth Porter]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:19:27 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

>Same reason I detested it in PMMail when they implemented it.  I C&P
>something in a message to something else and then hit reply.  Whoops, the
>entire message isn't there.  The assumption is that marked text in an email
>client's read window would only be used for a reply is simply not true.  First
>and foremost marked text is, in general, used for a variety of things.

Ok, I can see that. However, the frequency with which I use the
selective quote is far higher than my copying text to another app and
*then* replying. As I've said elsewhere, this should be a configurable
default to satisfy our different work styles. (And I've been bitten by
the same thing, but I just kill the composition window and try again
when that (occasionally) happens. Or start a new composition window
with full quoting and then C&P my additions from the botched one.)

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Selective quoting

[Kenneth Porter]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:04:47 -0500, Curtis wrote:

>TB! did not originally have this feature. I among others suggested it
>but there was some opposition, by others (I remember Steve Lambs
>opposing arguments clearly :-)), to it's implementation. The best of
>both worlds occurred. It was implemented but made an optional instead of
>a default behaviour.

Okay, Steve, what was your argument against selective quoting (ie. the
F4 function)? (I don't want to take issue with it, I  just want to
understand the issues.) I'd prefer that this be another thing that can
be changed from some global options dialog, so that it's *truly*
optional, ie. the choice of default is itself an option. (Much of the
argument on this list seems to be over what should be the default, when
this can easily be addressed by making the default configurable.)

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Re: quoting

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Dan Kalafus,

On Sunday, September 30 2001 at 10:16 AM PDT, you wrote:

> option1> keeping a paragraph linked to another paragraph in a block of
> option1> quoted text
> option1>
> option1> Like this.

But why would you want all paragraphs linked together? All paragraphs
should be separated by a blank line, or at least that is the way I've
been taught.
 
> option2> as opposed to
 
> option2> this kind of thing.

That is the desirable method, and hopefully TB! will not change. ;o) 


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Re: quoting

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Dan,

Historians believe that Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 10:16 AM was
when, Dan Kalafus [DK] typed the following:

option1>> keeping a paragraph linked to another paragraph in a block of
option1>> quoted text
option1>>
option1>> Like this.

 Use Edit->Paste as Quotation
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Re: Quoting

[Joseph N.]

 Dierk Haasis wrote on Tuesday, March 26, 2002:

> At the moment I use the RTV as my standard viewer. One of the things I
> like, is to have signatures in light grey, thus rendering them
> unobtrusive.

> The downside comes with your quoting style: below the sig delimiter. I
> don't want to start one of those futile discussions on how to quote
> "correctly" (above or below ...). Just a sidenote ...

Dierk, the problem is that some mailing lists put a sig delimiter
above their footer information and some do not.  For those that do,
the normal email quoting style (top quoting, as opposed to the bottom
quoting of the Usenet, or the much more helpful interlinear quoting
which I use only as needed) works fine; for those that don't, like
this list, it doesn't work as well and the whole segment under my sig
is grayed-out. I haven't wanted to use templates for different mailing
lists, because it's a degree of complexity I would rather have
avoided, but your post reminds me that I need now to start doing it.
Thanks for the reminder.

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Excessive Quoting

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Re: quoting and >

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:45:35 -0600 GMT (22/01/2004, 23:45 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

> Have anyone else noticed that The Bat will put an extra > on a reply
> even if it finds one mid-sentence?

Options / Preferences / Editor Preferences / General / Quote name
limit.

Decrease the value. If TB finds a ">" within the set number of
characters, it will assume that everything before it is part of the
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Re: quoting and >

[MAU]

Hello ken,

> When I replied, the quoted text contained:
> 
> (my guess is >>$1000).

Take a look at Options/Preferences/"Viewer/Editor"/Editor Preferences
and see how many characters you have for "Quote name limit".

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Re: quoting and >

[ken green]

Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> Options / Preferences / Editor Preferences / General / Quote name
> limit.

Thank you!  Note that for v1.62 it's Options > Editor Prefs ...


> Decrease the value. If TB finds a ">" within the set number of
> characters, it will assume that everything before it is part of the
> quoted name.


Within the set number of characters... ??  From the beginning of the
line?  Why in the world would the default value be set at 20?  I changed
the value to 3 (but this is the first time I've touched that option).

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Re: quoting and >

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:48:38 -0600 GMT (23/01/2004, 00:48 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

>> Decrease the value. If TB finds a ">" within the set number of
>> characters, it will assume that everything before it is part of the
>> quoted name.

> Within the set number of characters... ??  From the beginning of the
> line?

Yes.

> Why in the world would the default value be set at 20?

I don't know. for my taste, it is far too high.

> I changed the value to 3 (but this is the first time I've touched
> that option).

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Re[2]: Quoting

[G. Minnerup]

On Sunday, March 7, 2004, 4:04:48 PM, G. Minnerup wrote:

> OK, since there have been no takers, let me try to clarify the question:

> Many people simply append previous messages as quotes to the
> bottom of theirs. I know this is not good practice, generally
> speaking, but if I want to quote the whole lot - latest message and
> trail of previous ones - in order to preserve the chain, how do I go
> about it? %QUOTES only seems to accept the current message being
> replied to.

Stupid me: no wonder there were no takers...
Turned out that what happened was that with long messages quoted, the reply window 
just scrolled down so far that it *appeared* not to work. Didn't notice the scroll 
bars on the side of the window... Sorry everyone!

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Re[2]: Quoting

[G. Minnerup]

On Sunday, March 7, 2004, 5:34:57 PM, Greg Strong wrote:

> "%OTEXT" will do it without adding any quotes, but from the sounds of it
> you might want an entire reply template. See below. It uses in-line
> quoting in the body of the message, then everything below my signature.

See my other message for the false alarm. But that's a nicetemplate anyway which I 
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Re[2]: Quoting

[G. Minnerup]

On Sunday, March 7, 2004, 5:38:57 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Drag and drop all messages you want to quote (a whole thread, for
> example) into the message you are writing. The dragged&dropped
> messages will be MIME-attached and can be openend by hte recipient. If
> he uses TB, he can even brwose them in threaded view.

That's nice, though with eople being so suspicious of attachments these days (and 
rightly so) I might prefer to keep quotes as inline text. It's a good trick to 
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Quoting in Forward

[ken green]

I don't recall how many versions I have noticed this, but it's grown
annoying enough to post here.  When I forward a message, TB insists on
*quoting* the message (preceding each line with ">") AND using the
forward template I have set up.

This happens whether I use %Text or %Quotes in my Forward template.

I end up deleting the redundant quoted text every time I forward a
message. My Forward template looks like this:

[begin template]

%Cursor

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%QINCLUDE="kmgsig"


==forwarded message===

From: %OFromName <%OFromAddr>
To: %OToList
Date: %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn
Subject: %OSubj


%Text

End of forwarded message==

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I've tried inserting %Clear in the template to no avail.

Is this a known problem?  Is there something else I can do?  Does this
happen to anyone else?

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Re: selective quoting

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Friday, August 06, 2004 it appears that rich gregory 
wrote the following in regards to "selective quoting":

rg> Can't I highlight text in a received mssg then choose to forward to
rg> reply to it and only have the highlight text quoted, with the rest of
rg> the original email ignored?

yes. 

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Re: selective quoting

[Darrin Rich]

Hi rich,
On 8/6/2004 4:38 PM my time, rich wrote:
rg> Can't I highlight text in a received mssg then choose to forward to
rg> reply to it and only have the highlight text quoted


Highlight the text and hit the F4 key.
 
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Re: selective quoting

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Saturday, August 07, 2004 it appears that rich gregory 
wrote the following in regards to "selective quoting":

rg>>> Can't I highlight text in a received mssg then choose to forward to
rg>>> reply to it and only have the highlight text quoted, with the rest of
rg>>> the original email ignored?
JR>> yes. 


rg> May I suggest that if text in a received email is highlighted and then
rg> a reply is initiated that it should be assumed that the reply is meant
rg> to perform this F4 function by default?

huh? e... I think that's what happens now.

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Re: selective quoting

[M i c C u l l e n]

On Saturday, August 7, 2004 @ 7:44:09 AM, Darrin Rich wrote:

[snips]

rg>> Can't I highlight text in a received mssg then choose to forward to
rg>> reply to it and only have the highlight text quoted


Darrin> Highlight the text and hit the F4 key.

Can this be done from a message opened from the message ticker? I've tried to
find the shortcut to change and no joy :-(

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Re: selective quoting

[DZ-Jay]

Some time around 08/07/2004 17:19:30, I think I heard Jan Rifkinson say:
rg>> May I suggest that if text in a received email is highlighted and then
rg>> a reply is initiated that it should be assumed that the reply is meant
rg>> to perform this F4 function by default?

> huh? e... I think that's what happens now.


You mean, "now" as in v2.13, the version you are using? Because at least on my 
version, v2.12, it does not do that; you still have to hit F4.  I think that what the 
poster was suggesting is the behaviour found in Eudora, where any standard operation 
on an opened message (i.e. reply, forward, redirect, etc.) when text is selected, will 
quote and include only the selected text.  Eudora offers this as an option in its 
configuration.  Maybe TB! could do the same? :)

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Re: selective quoting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello DZ-Jay,

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:33:48 -0400 GMT (08/08/2004, 20:33 +0700 GMT),
DZ-Jay wrote:

rg>>> May I suggest that if text in a received email is highlighted and then
rg>>> a reply is initiated that it should be assumed that the reply is meant
rg>>> to perform this F4 function by default?

>> huh? e... I think that's what happens now.


DJ> You mean, "now" as in v2.13, the version you are using?
DJ> Because at least on my version, v2.12, it does not do that; you
DJ> still have to hit F4.

You will have to tell TB somehow that you want to create a reply; the
alternative is that a reply will be automtically created (editor
window opened) when you release the mouse button after highlighting.
That can cause problems, as you want to finetune the quotation.

DJ> I think that what the poster was suggesting is the behaviour found
DJ> in Eudora, where any standard operation on an opened message (i.e.
DJ> reply, forward, redirect, etc.) when text is selected, will quote
DJ> and include only the selected text.

I don't understand what you are saying. OK, so in Eudora, you select
text in an incoming message. But then you will have to tell Eudora
what to do with the selection: reply, forward, redirect?

DJ> Eudora offers this as an option in its configuration.  Maybe TB!
DJ> could do the same? :)

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Re: selective quoting

[DZ-Jay]

Some time around 08/08/2004 10:38:52, I think I heard Thomas Fernandez say:


DJ>> You mean, "now" as in v2.13, the version you are using?
DJ>> Because at least on my version, v2.12, it does not do that; you
DJ>> still have to hit F4.

> You will have to tell TB somehow that you want to create a reply; the
> alternative is that a reply will be automtically created (editor
> window opened) when you release the mouse button after highlighting.
> That can cause problems, as you want to finetune the quotation.

Hum... I see that you do not understand what I am saying.  Let me give you an example, 
and for convenience's sake, I will use Eudora, which offers the feature we are 
discussing:

In Eudora, I can check an option in the configurations that will allow 
selective-quoting when replying or forwarding.  So the following occurs:

1. I open a message to read it.
2. I select a relevant piece of the text
3. I hit the *standard* reply or forward buttons, *not* a special hot-key, or other 
function, but the regular buttons.
4. Eudora will create a new message, like normal, but instead of quoting the entire 
text, it will quote and include *only* the selected text.

The difference in TB! is that hitting the Reply/Forward/Redirect/Reply-to-All buttons 
while selecting text will result in TB! replying/forwarding/redirecting/etc. the 
message with the ENTIRE text quoted, as normal; and in order to invoke 
selective-quoting you have to use a *special* function, the F4 hot-key.

This is fine, but what we are requesting is a feature (optional, of course) that you 
can automatically have this F4 behaviour occur with the normal reply/fwd/redir buttons.

> I don't understand what you are saying. OK, so in Eudora, you select
> text in an incoming message. But then you will have to tell Eudora
> what to do with the selection: reply, forward, redirect?

You tell it by clicking the normal reply/forward/redirect buttons.  But with the 
configuration option, you have told Eudora that *ANY* message operation 
(reply/fwd/redir/etc.) will invoke selective-quoting by default.  See above comment.

DJ>> Eudora offers this as an option in its configuration.  Maybe TB!
DJ>> could do the same? :)

> I think TB does it, doesn't it?

It does offer selective-quoting, but as a "special" function, initiated by the F4 
hot-key, not integrated with the "normal" reply/fwd/redir buttons, which is what we 
are requesting.

I hope this clears it up a bit. :)

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Re: selective quoting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello DZ-Jay,

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:14:10 -0400 GMT (08/08/2004, 23:14 +0700 GMT),
DZ-Jay wrote:

DJ> 3. I hit the *standard* reply or forward buttons, *not* a
DJ> special hot-key, or other function, but the regular buttons.

I see. The "mouse approach", didn't think about that. You are right,
the toolbars are not configurable in that way in TB. Rumours have it
that this is being worked upon, but don't hold your breath.

DJ> I hope this clears it up a bit. :)

It did.

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Re: selective quoting

[DZ-Jay]

Some time around 08/08/2004 15:01:43, I think I heard rich gregory say:
> hy an option?  Let's look at it this way...

> Is there ever any time that you might 1) highlight part of a message
> then 2) hit either forward or reply and NOT want to include anything
> other than what you've highlighted?

I agree, but that's just me... and probably you and a few others.  Since TB! prides 
itself in being the best of breeds to many, and offering some outstanding advanced 
customizations, I imagined that it would be in the best interest of all to provide it 
as an option.

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Re: Text quoting

[John Rakestraw]

Hi John,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21:52 PM, you wrote:

J> Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
J> bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. 

In TB!, highlight the text and hit F4.

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Re: Text quoting

[Roel]

Hi John

On 30 Sep 2003 14:21:52  (my local time 21:21:52), John wrote:

J> Can Bat do this?

Offcourse :-)
but instead of hitting the reply-button with your mouse, you have to
hit F4, while the text is selected offcourse.

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Re: Text quoting

[Dave Gorman]

Hello John,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21:52 PM, you wrote:

> All you had to do is select and highlight whatever text you
> want to quote in the original message... and then hit the
> "reply" key. and a reply composition window would open with
> the selected text already quoted.

Select text, hit F4.

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Re: Text quoting

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello John,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in 

> Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
> bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
> do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
> quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
> "reply"  key.  and a reply composition window would
> open with the selected text already quoted.

Yup. I selected your text and hit F4 - voila!

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Re: Text quoting

[Martin Webster]

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Hello John,

On 30 September 2003, 14:21 -0500 (20:21 local time) John [J] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

J> Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
J> bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
J> do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
J> quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
J> "reply"  key.  and a reply composition window would
J> open with the selected text already quoted.

J> Can Bat do this?

Yes, select text and press F4.


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Re: Text quoting

[Mary Bull]

Hello John!

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21 PM, you wrote:

J> ... in Agent it was easy to include a
J> bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
J> do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
J> quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
J> "reply"  key.  and a reply composition window would
J> open with the selected text already quoted.

J> Can Bat do this?

Yes, it can, with one extra thing to remember: highlight the text you
want to quote, *hold down the shift key*, and click the Reply arrow in
the View Folder window. (You will have to have the Toolbar
showing--get it from the View drop-down menu, in the View Folder
window.)

BTW, please note how my signature has a delimiter: (-- or
dash-dash-enter, which is dash-dash with a space after it, and then
one more enter to go to the next line). It would help if you could use
this delimiter, also. Then I wouldn't have to delete
everything below where your signature would have been if you had
signed your message, when I reply to you without selecting text to
be quoted. Like this leftover:

"Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html";

TIA. :)

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Re: Text quoting

[MAU]

Hello Roel,

> but instead of hitting the reply-button with your mouse, you have to
> hit F4, while the text is selected offcourse.

He can Shift+Click on the reply button.

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Re: Text quoting

[John Bartlett]

Hello John,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, at 14:21:52 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:21 PM here
on Vancouver Island) you wrote:

J> easy to include a bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you
J> had to do is select and highlight whatever text you want to quote
J> in the original message... and then hit the "reply" key. and a
J> reply composition window would open with the selected text already
J> quoted.

J> Can Bat do this?


  Yes - highlight then F4

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Re: Selective quoting

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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 3:04:49 PM, Kenneth wrote:
> As I've said elsewhere, this should be a configurable
> default to satisfy our different work styles.

It is configurable.  You know you're going to quote selected, hit F4.
Personally my suggestion for the mice users in the crowd is that they make the
reply button have a down arrow like the other buttons on the main tool bar
which has those options there.  Trust me, there are special replies that I use
as well and find the keyboard shortcut as well as the proposed GUI
modification sufficient without getting into the feaperism of a multitude of
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Re: Selective quoting

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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:53:08 PM, Kenneth wrote:
> Okay, Steve, what was your argument against selective quoting (ie. the
> F4 function)?

Sent to you before you even asked this question.  ;)

> argument on this list seems to be over what should be the default, when
> this can easily be addressed by making the default configurable.)

Which is, in itself, a discussion.  Having had used Terminate in my old
BBS days I can say that putting to much in default dialogs like that causes
problems in and of itself.  At some point, on a lot of features, you have to
choose a default and then stick with it but provide easy access to the other
options.

For those that don't know Terminate had 3-4 80x50 /pages/ of checkboxes to
control its behavior.  It was a mess to configure because of the sheer
volume of what was configurable.

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Re: Selective quoting

[Joe Finocchiaro]

Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 4:53:08 PM, Kenneth Porter, wrote:

KP> (Much of the
KP> argument on this list seems to be over what should be the default, when
KP> this can easily be addressed by making the default configurable.)

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quoting "subject" & "timestamp"

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello BatListers,

 I've  not  noticed a way to set up a template that includes a
 place for "original subject". Is this so &, if so, is there a
 work around?

 Also  I've  tried  to build a template that you may have seen
 that  includes  a  time stamp of the original post but I find
 that  this  is  not always accurate. Maybe this is because of
 the  different  time  zones.  In  your  opinion,  what is the
 cleanest  way  to  include  a  time stamp in a template, i.e.
 based on what?

 And,  finally,  is it sufficient to set a filter to recognize
 "kludges"  &  then  enter  a real word or do you also have to
 turn on the option for "regular expressions"? If not, when is
 this option used? Many thanks.

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! 1.46d: quoting question

[Mark Knipfer]

In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character ">" to
appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

Here is an example.  Current TheBat 1.46d will quote a message like the
following:

  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text

  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text

I prefer the following quoting method (as all e-mail client that I have
used in the past quote like the following):

  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  >
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text
  > text text text text text text text text

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Re: Selective Quoting

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello wee,

On Friday, January 25, 2002 at 19:17:43 +, wee David [WD] wrote
concerning 'Selective Quoting':
...
wD> Is it okay to reply to a message and start a new thread by using
wD> [was original topic]

Yes no problem.

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Re: Selective Quoting

[Nick Andriash]

Hello David van Zuijlekom,

On Friday, January 25 2002 at 12:28 PM PDT, you wrote:

> wD> Is it okay to reply to a message and start a new thread by using
> wD> [was original topic]
> 
> Yes no problem.

Actually no, because although you have made mention of the original
subject with your change, those who thread by reference will still show
your message buried within the original subject thread, and if they were
not that interested in that particular subject, won't open the thread...
and thus miss your 'new' subject.

When changing the subject, it is always best to start with a new message
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Re: Selective Quoting

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Alan,
On Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:41:08 [GMT -0800], you wrote:

AP> I remember reading that that is not okay.. When starting a new
AP> topic, start a new thread. Some people will not be following a
AP> certain thread, so any new topics in that thread could be missed by
AP> people.

That depends. If a thread changes its topic, that change should be
reflected by adjusting the subject. But if a completely new topic arises
(in a new message, independent of any other message), this topic should
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Re: Selective Quoting

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On Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:42:52 -0800, Nick Andriash [NA]
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...
NA> Actually no

Yes you're probably right. But I think it depends on how much the
subject is changed. If it's still related to the topic you can reply
to this thread, but if it's a complete different subject you better
start a new message or delete the references (the follow-up to
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Re: Selective Quoting

[Nick Andriash]

Hello David van Zuijlekom,

On Friday, January 25 2002 at 02:16 PM PDT, you wrote:

> Yes you're probably right. But I think it depends on how much the
> subject is changed. If it's still related to the topic you can reply
> to this thread, but if it's a complete different subject you better
> start a new message or delete the references (the follow-up to
> contents).

Yes, although that is true David, it just seems simpler to recommend
that Users start a new message when changing the subject.


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Questions about quoting

[Jeffrey Sharp]

I am new to TB!, but I already like it more than any other mail client.
There are a couple of issues, though, that have me peeved, and I would like
to know if they can be prevented.

(0) Quoted text within quoted text doesn't behave like I want.  I get
  " Text",
but I want
  "> > > > Text".

(1) When blank lines are quoted, they aren't prefixed by a '>' character.
How can I enable this?

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Re: threaded quoting

[azrael]

Hello Allie;

Tuesday, April 17, 2001, 5:03:44 PM, you wrote:

Tmtdc> Also, if you wish to quote only selected text, hit F4 after selecting the
Tmtdc> text. This will generate a reply with only the selected text quoted.

Tmtdc> Another option would be to remove the %Quotes macro from your
reply Tmtdc> template and enable in the message editor 'View'=>
'Original Text'. From Tmtdc> the original text window you can copy and
paste as a quotation what you like.

 Hitting F4 generated the above message. As I said earlier the %Quotes
 macro is a mystery to me. I don't understand it let alone dare to
 change it. At present only paste functions are usable in the message
 editor. Would 'View'=> change that?   What if any function do the
 apostrophes ('View') have?  Are they omitted in actual practice?

 Could you or someone just explain the basics of threaded
 messaging?  How can I best take your comments out of my digest,
 quote them and then reply still keeping the integrity of the
 threading?

 At present I see that as highlight text, F4, and reply to
 individual thoughts (yours) by inserting my comments between
 them.

 Also, reply or F4 puts "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the To: bar of the message. Thus
 far I've been dutifully cleaning that up to the suggested reply
 address of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I suspect that's an
 unnecessary PITA but better than chancing a critique by
 mailer-daemon.
 
 ./michael

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Re: threaded quoting

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello azrael!

On Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 2:27:15 AM you wrote:

Tmtdc>> Another option would be to remove the %Quotes macro from your
> reply Tmtdc> template and enable in the message editor 'View'=>
> 'Original Text'. From Tmtdc> the original text window you can copy and
> paste as a quotation what you like.

Maybe I know how the above paragraph came to happen. TB! uses *one
complete blank line* to identify paragraphs. With
Auto-Format/Auto-Wrap it will wrap any text that is not separated by a
blank line into one paragraph to your desired line length (preferably
70 characters).

This way the identifier (initials>) gets wrapped, too. the result you
can see above.

>  Hitting F4 generated the above message. As I said earlier the %Quotes
>  macro is a mystery to me. I don't understand it let alone dare to
>  change it.

%Quotes just takes out the original text, puts it in your reply with
quoting identifier (as you have chosen under
Account/Properties/Templates/Reply). You cannot change the "macro" per
se as it is hard coded, you can just take it out or put it in your
reply templates.

I prefer the old-fashioned way to have the complete text in my reply
and delete portions of it by hand. Doesn't work with digest mode.

>  Could you or someone just explain the basics of threaded
>  messaging?  How can I best take your comments out of my digest,
>  quote them and then reply still keeping the integrity of the
>  threading?

Threading like a news reader (i.e. Agent). TB! utilises some of the
headers to put messages on the same subject together. The best way is
View by/References.

>  At present I see that as highlight text, F4, and reply to
>  individual thoughts (yours) by inserting my comments between
>  them.

Correct. Especially for digests.

>  Also, reply or F4 puts "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the To: bar of the message. Thus
>  far I've been dutifully cleaning that up to the suggested reply
>  address of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I suspect that's an
>  unnecessary PITA but better than chancing a critique by
>  mailer-daemon

You won't get one, you don't have to change it. You can trust TB! on
the most basic e-mail client jobs. And not just there, but the more
complex a task gets the more error prone it becomes - especially on
user's side.


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Re: threaded quoting

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:27:15 -0400, azrael thoughtfully wrote the
following:

I see that you're already getting a lot of help there Azrael. Good.
However, I'll throw in my little bit because things explained to you in
different words etc. usually leads to a full understanding.

a>  Hitting F4 generated the above message. As I said earlier the %Quotes
a>  macro is a mystery to me. I don't understand it let alone dare to
a>  change it.

Don't dare?  They bark way more than they actually bite, believe me.
These macros are just requests made by you to output portions of text or
information that's in the message to which you're replying. It will also
output system information for you such as the date and time (%Date, %Time)
or other useful information. They were designed to prevent repetitive
actions.

%Quotes will quote all the message body for you. Anywhere you place it in
you template, all the message body of the message to which you're replying
will be quoted. Another related macro is %Text. This one will output the
entire text of the message without quoting it.

The best way to understand these macros is to experiment with them.
There's an article in the TB! FAQ which outlines the template structure
<http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html>. It will also give you
an idea of what these templates and macros can do for you. Experiment away
. :=)

a> At present only paste functions are usable in the message editor. Would
a> 'View'=> change that? What if any function do the apostrophes ('View')
a> have? Are they omitted in actual practice?

I was actually giving directions to menu items. "View" is actually
pointing to the View menu item in your editor window.

a> Could you or someone just explain the basics of threaded messaging?

Threading is simply the process of grouping together messages which have
some common attribute. They may share the same subject (threading by
subject), they may share the same reference ID's in their headers
(threading by references), they may share the same author (threading by
sender/from) or they may share the same recipient (threading by
recipient/to). You will see these choices in the View menus under the
submenu item 'View threads by'. Most use either threading by references or
threading by subject.

Let me explain threading by references:

Each of TB!'s and some other e-mail client's messages have a unique
message ID which is in the headers. The message ID for your message is as
taken from your message headers:

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you were to examine the headers for this message that I'm sending to
you, you will see that my message has its own unique ID as yours has, and
below that you will also see:

In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ^
  That's your message ID. The one to which I'm replying.

TB! uses that piece of header information to associate my message with
yours, and through these message ID's TB! will also know that my message
is a direct response to yours. They will therefore be threaded together
as below (irrespective of when I send the message to you):

+ - Your message
 |
  - - My message

My message will appear chronologically after yours if you also thread in
descending order based on received time.

The only way to truly grasp this is to see threading in action. I suggest
that you switch to receiving TBUDL messages individually and then switch
to threading by references, with sorting by received time in descending
order.

a> How can I best take your comments out of my digest, quote them and then
a> reply still keeping the integrity of the threading?

Hopefully, you'll realize after my explanation that this cannot be done.
Since when you reply to the digest message, you're not replying directly
to me. TB! will therefore not be able to generate that critical piece of
header information:

In-Reply-To: 

This is therefore another reason to encourage switching to receiving the
messages individually if you wish to participate heavily in the discussion
group. :=)

a> At present I see that as highlight text, F4, and reply to individual
a> thoughts (yours) by inserting my comments between them.

Yes. That's all you can really do when replying to plain digest messages.

a> Also, reply or F4 puts "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
a> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the To: bar of the message. Thus far I've
a> been dutifully cleaning that up to the suggested reply address of
a> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I suspect that's an unnecessary PITA but
a> better than chancing a critique by mailer-daemon.

Again, that's because you're replying to the message digest. That's the
addressing that TB! dutifully extracted from th

Apologies for excessive quoting

[Constance Britten]

Hello everyone,

Sorry about that horrific reply post.  Obviously this Bat-newbie needs to remember to 
keep good discipline w.r.t. replies as well as determine how to get the reply feature 
to not fergawdsakes quote the entire block of headers.

Face red with embarrassment, I wish everyone my
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Re: Quoting in Forward

[Robin Anson]

On Wed 16 June 2004, 6:27:37 +1000, Ken Green wrote:
> I don't recall how many versions I have noticed this, but it's grown
> annoying enough to post here.  When I forward a message, TB insists on
> *quoting* the message (preceding each line with ">") AND using the
> forward template I have set up.
> 
> This happens whether I use %Text or %Quotes in my Forward template.
> 

<...snip...>

>
> Is this a known problem?  Is there something else I can do?  Does this
> happen to anyone else?

This is not a problem I experience. My forwarding templates simply work
as you are wanting yours to.

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Re: Quoting in Forward

[Martin Webster]

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Hello ken,

On 15 June 2004, 15:27 -0500 (21:27 local time) ken green [KG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

KG> I don't recall how many versions I have noticed this, but it's grown
KG> annoying enough to post here.  When I forward a message, TB insists on
KG> *quoting* the message (preceding each line with ">") AND using the
KG> forward template I have set up.

Just to confirm... are you saying you see the original message quoted
_and_ again repeated by your forward template?

My forward template works correctly and is essentially the same as
yours. The only difference is you use a quick template for you
signature. What happens if you remove '%QINCLUDE="kmgsig"'?

,-
| Hello %CAPITALFIRST='%TOFNAME',
|
| %CURSOR
|
|
| --
| My signature etc. incl. PGP options
| - Original Message -
| From: %OFromName <%OFromAddr>
| To: %OToList
| Date: %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn
| Subject: %OSubj
|
| %Text
`-

...


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Re: Quoting in Forward

[MAU]

Hello ken,

> This happens whether I use %Text or %Quotes in my Forward template.
> 
> I end up deleting the redundant quoted text every time I forward a
> message. My Forward template looks like this:

When you say "My Forward template" I assume you are referring to your
_account_ folder template, correct? Are you sure you don't have any
folder or address book forward templates that may be different?

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Re: Quoting in Forward

[ken green]

Martin Webster wrote:
> My forward template works correctly and is essentially the same as
> yours. The only difference is you use a quick template for you
> signature. What happens if you remove '%QINCLUDE="kmgsig"'?


I am such... a moron.

Guess what's at the bottom of that sig file?:

%IF:"%Quotes"<>"":%-
"> -Original Message-
> From: %OFROMNAME [%OFROMADDR]
> Sent: %ODATE %OTIME
> Subject: %OSUBJ

%Quotes"



I put that there a long time ago because I was having problems with
reply text disappearing when in the editor.  When I replied to a
message and started typing, then invoked kmgsig, the quoted text
disappeared.  So I added that if clause to my sig file.

Duh!

Anyone know how to avoid BOTH problems? I can "fix" my sig file so
that forwards won't have the duplicated text, but I will still have
the quoted text in Replies disappear when switching signatures via QT.

Unfortunately, the disappearing problem also happens when switching
accounts because that signature is associated with an account.

Am I doing something wrong?  It seem like the %ISSIGNATURE is almost
useless if limited by what I'm describing.

My signatures aren't very complicated.  I just prefer to make things
as atomic as I can, and having a sig in one place is the best way to
go, IMO.

Thanks for the quick replies.

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Re: Quoting in Forward

[ken green]

ken green wrote:
> Am I doing something wrong?  It seem like the %ISSIGNATURE is almost
> useless if limited by what I'm describing.


Actually, using %ISSIGNATURE in a Reply template wipes out all quoted
text. That is, simply hitting Reply (even partial quoting w/ F4)
results in message with no quoted text if %ISSIGNATURE is part of that
account.

That can't be by design.  Why would %ISSIGNATURE wipe out text that is
already there?

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Re: Quoting in Forward

[ken green]

ken green wrote:
> I am such... a moron.


I'm not completely sure what I was doing, but I seem to have gotten
everything working now.

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Re: Quoting in Forward

[Martin Webster]

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Hello ken,

On 16 June 2004, 18:36 -0500 (16/06/200400:36 local time) ken green [KG]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

KG> I'm not completely sure what I was doing, but I seem to have gotten
KG> everything working now.

Pleased to hear that. :-)


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quoting only selected text

[Michael L. Cusac]

I'm using an old version of TB!, and the thing that most irritates me
about it is its clumsy handling of selected text for quoting when
replying.  I see there was a thread about this here a month or so
ago, but I can't find definitive answers there.

In newer versions of TB!, is it possible to 'reply all' while quoting
only selected text?   Better yet, is it possible to configure the
standard reply and forward keys so that if nothing is highlighted, the
entire message is quoted, but if anything is highlighted, only that
part is quoted? Or is there a macro for grabbing only selected text
rather than all of it?

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Quoting messages on reply

[Simon Elliott]

Hi 

I've currently set my quoting when I reply to messages to be initials.
This means that if I'm replying to Joe Bloggs, the quoted text looks
like:

JB> This is text that
JB> Joe Bloggs wrote

A user of Agent tells me that if I use this format, Agent doesn't
highlight the quoted text. So I'd like to change my reply quoting to
look like this:

>JB: This is text that
>JB: Joe Bloggs wrote

Is this possible?

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Quoting only highlighted text?

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

Where is the setting to quote only the text that I have highlighted in
the original message. I used to have replies act this way, but
following some work done on my computer, everything is quoted. I could
not find anything in the Help under quote, reply.

Thanks.

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Selective Quoting in Replies

[Mary Anne Lynskey]

 tbudl,

  I am not very familiar with the concept of selective uoting in
replies as I am used to just posting reply at top of message.  It
seems like a very awkward process.  Or is that a normal reaction to
someone who is new to doing this?
could someone explain how to do this or point me to a place where I
can read about it?

When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and can
write a reply, but the rest of the message disappears.  Is the answer
simply cursoring through the message and leaving a blank line between
the quotes and my response?  Thanks for helping this novice!

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Re: quoting "subject" & "timestamp"

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:27:52 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR> I've not noticed a way to set up a template that includes a place
JR> for "original subject". Is this so &, if so, is there a work around?

I'm not quite sure exactly what you're asking but the macro to generate
the original subject is %OSUBJ.

JR> Also I've tried to build a template that you may have seen that
JR> includes a time stamp of the original post but I find that this is
JR> not always accurate. Maybe this is because of the different time
JR> zones. In your opinion, what is the cleanest way to include a time
JR> stamp in a template, i.e. based on what?

TB! tends to convert the message time stamps to your local time zone and
uses these times in the templates. As a result of this, if you use the
provided macros for original message time, you'll get the original
message time adjusted to your local time zone. The time is technically
still correct but, I know, you prefer if the senders time zone was used.

Well, if you wish to do this, you need to use a regular expression to
extract the original time and here it is.

%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"%SUBPATT="3"%SUBPATT="4"

Create a new quick template, then copy and paste the above macro *as is*
in it. I gave my quick template the handle name 'odate'. This new quick
template will generate the original message time by extracting it from
the RFC headers.

If I wish to do this, I just type 'odate' at the time
when I wish to insert the date. For example, the otime for this message
to which I'm replying is 11:27:52 -0400. :-)

If you wish to put the original time above in a template, at the point
you wish to insert the time use the macro: %QINCLUDE="odate".

JR> And, finally, is it sufficient to set a filter to recognize
JR> "kludges" & then enter a real word or do you also have to turn on
JR> the option for "regular expressions"?

No, you don't have to turn on the regular expressions option.

JR> If not, when is this option used? Many thanks.

You use the regular expressions option when you wish to use a regular
expression as the filter search string. With the option off, simple
search strings are used instead.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:29 -0400, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK> In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character ">" to
MK> appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

IOW's, select and copy the text that you'd like to quote, hit +F4
to reply without quoting, and then paste the copied text as a quotation
using the right click context menu or toolbar button in the message
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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"A. Curtis Martin" wrote:
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>   On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:29 -0400, Mark Knipfer wrote:
> 
> MK> In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character ">" to
> MK> appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?
> 
> Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
> will be quoted the way that you want it to be.
> 
> IOW's, select and copy the text that you'd like to quote, hit +F4
> to reply without quoting, and then paste the copied text as a quotation
> using the right click context menu or toolbar button in the message
> editor.
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The above definitely detailed a tedious and slow process to accomplish
something that all other e-mail clients already do.

BTW... I am seeking an e-mail client to suite my needs and my clients
(around 50 to 500 users).  I am a Technical Solutionist for a software
company and we have many clients outside of the software business.  They
basically will use an e-mail client that I highly recommend and has ease
of use.  Currently I am support them on Netscape Communicator 4.7x and
this program constantly crashes.  Many of us use IMAP, but mostly POP3.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:35:59 -0400, Mark Knipfer wrote:


MK> The above definitely detailed a tedious and slow process to
MK> accomplish something that all other e-mail clients already do.

Granted. :-) I did say it wasn't easy.:-) I don't consider it a workable
solution but thought it best to indicate that it can be done and how.

TB! has its own style of quoting ... that's all. Let's see if they
change this with future versions.

MK> BTW... I am seeking an e-mail client to suite my needs and my
MK> clients (around 50 to 500 users). I am a Technical Solutionist for a
MK> software company and we have many clients outside of the software
MK> business. They basically will use an e-mail client that I highly
MK> recommend and has ease of use. Currently I am support them on
MK> Netscape Communicator 4.7x and this program constantly crashes. Many
MK> of us use IMAP, but mostly POP3.

Again, the present version of TB! isn't a shining example of IMAP
implementation in that it's lacking in functionality. I personally have
never used the IMAP support and can only tell you other user impressions
on it. There are official plans to greatly improve on IMAP support in
the upcoming version 2.

I'm sorry that I can't tell you version 2 will appear on the scenes.
No-one really knows. Ritlabs have not officially given word on this in a
very long time.

However, TB!'s present POP3 support is excellent.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Britta]

> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:29 -0400
> From: Mark Knipfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character ">" to
> appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

  and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
> Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
> will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
line spaces* for me, by default.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:40 +1300, Britta wrote:

B>   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
>> Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
>> will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B> I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B> line spaces* for me, by default.

So am I. Note the lack of a quote prefix between the two paragraphs
above.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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Hi Britta,

On 13 October 2000 at 09:25:40 GMT +1300 (which was 21:25 where I
live) Britta wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

>> In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character ">" to
>> appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

B>   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
>> Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it
>> will will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B> I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B> line spaces* for me, by default.

Yes, but the lines in-between the paragraphs are left blank with no
quotation prefix. That is the issue here.

Q: Is your email address anything to do with Mr Terry Pratchett?

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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Hi A,

On 13 October 2000 at 16:23:44 GMT  -0500 (which was 22:23 where I
live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

ACM> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:40 +1300, Britta wrote:

B>>   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
>>> Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
>>> will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B>> I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B>> line spaces* for me, by default.

ACM> So am I. Note the lack of a quote prefix between the two paragraphs
ACM> above.

Got it! Of course TB can't (at this stage) quote the blank lines.
Whose are they really? Were they in the immediate message to which
this reply is address or from the previous level and another client
has failed to quote them.

Quoting blank lines can end up misleading in mutli-level replies. I
have seen many Eudora quoted messages that, frankly, just look a mess.
And that's *nothing* compared to what OE will do if you let it! 

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Britta]

> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:29:09 +0100
> From: "Marck D. Pearlstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hi Britta,
> 
> On 13 October 2000 at 09:25:40 GMT +1300 (which was 21:25 where I
> live) Britta wrote and made these points on the subject
> of "! 1.46d: quoting question":
> 
>>> In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character ">" to
>>> appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?
> 
B>>   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
>>> Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it
>>> will will be quoted the way that you want it to be.
> 
B>> I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B>> line spaces* for me, by default.
> 
> Yes, but the lines in-between the paragraphs are left blank with no
> quotation prefix. That is the issue here.
> 
> Q: Is your email address anything to do with Mr Terry Pratchett?

Hi Marck,

this time I left the quotation exactly as TB brings it up for me in
any Reply (or just when I copy to the clipboard and then use ALT+INS for
'quote-pasting') - sorry, should've done that the first time round! :)

It's just a habit of mine to prune out some of the quote prefixes
between lines if there are a lot, especially if the quoting level goes
back two or three replies deep ... I just prefer the cleaner look of
*not* having the prefixes in the spacer lines - LOL, and other people
want them!

I've been asked the Terry Pratchett question before ... I haven't read
the books and didn't know there was a Morepork in there. The morepork
here in NZ is our small native owl.

Just noticed your next message:
> Got it! Of course TB can't (at this stage) quote the blank lines.
> Whose are they really? Were they in the immediate message to which
> this reply is address or from the previous level and another client
> has failed to quote them.

You're right here in that I think I quoted from two separate messages
and copy-pasted the bits into my reply message.


> Quoting blank lines can end up misleading in mutli-level replies. I
> have seen many Eudora quoted messages that, frankly, just look a mess.

I'm glad I'm not the only neatness freak around here! :)

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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[snip]
B> this time I left the quotation exactly as TB brings it up for me in
B> any Reply (or just when I copy to the clipboard and then use ALT+INS for
B> 'quote-pasting') - sorry, should've done that the first time round! :)

Do you use the %quotes macro to quote text for your replies or do you
always manually copy and paste as quote?

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Britta]

> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:08:15  -0500
> From: A. Curtis Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Do you use the %quotes macro to quote text for your replies or do you
> always manually copy and paste as quote?

I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing list
replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be long) I
normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Britta,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:14:05 +1300GMT (16/10/2000, 08:14 +0800GMT),
Britta wrote:

B> I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing list
B> replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be long) I
B> normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

Just a hint: after you have marked the part you want to quote, no need
to actually c&p; just hit F4. This will reply quoting marked text
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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  On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:17:22 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

B>> I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing list
B>> replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be long) I
B>> normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

TF> Just a hint: after you have marked the part you want to quote, no need
TF> to actually c&p; just hit F4. This will reply quoting marked text
TF> only. ;-)

This can be a problem with the digests because of the signature
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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  On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:14:05 +1300, Britta wrote:

>> Do you use the %quotes macro to quote text for your replies or do you
>> always manually copy and paste as quote?

B> I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing list
B> replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be long) I
B> normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

Manual copy and pasting as quote will lead to blank lines being quoted.
However, quotations generated using the quotes macro will not have blank
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Allie,

On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:41:38  -0500GMT (16/10/2000, 11:41 +0800GMT),
A . Curtis Martin wrote:

TF>> Just a hint: after you have marked the part you want to quote, no need
TF>> to actually c&p; just hit F4. This will reply quoting marked text
TF>> only. ;-)

ACM> This can be a problem with the digests because of the signature
ACM> delimiters that are present.

What does this have to do with sig delimiters? If you want to reply to
a message, you mark the body part (oops) you want to quote,
regardless of whether or not there is any sig with or without
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Thomas, Britta & other fellow TB! Users,

Sunday, October 15, 2000, Tom stated in response to Britta's saying:

B>> I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing
B>> list replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be
B>> long) I normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

TF> Just a hint: after you have marked the part you want to quote,
TF> no need to actually c&p; just hit F4. This will reply quoting
TF> marked text only. ;-)

Also, don't forget that you can paste what you've copied as a quote
using alt+insert (another option, although not necessarily the best
in this case).

Douglas

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Britta]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote on  16/10/2000 18:40 :

> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:17:22 +0800
> From: Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Just a hint: after you have marked the part you want to quote, no need
> to actually c&p; just hit F4. This will reply quoting marked text
> only. ;-)

 thank you, Thomas - I had already picked up that tip from earlier
 messages; it's just that old habits die hard :)
 I'm learning all sorts of useful stuff from this list, it's great -
 but my mailing-list-reading-time has increased exponentially!

  Cheers,
  
 
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Britta]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote on  16/10/2000 18:40 :

> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:43:05  -0500
> From: A. Curtis Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Manual copy and pasting as quote will lead to blank lines being quoted.
> However, quotations generated using the quotes macro will not have blank
> lines being quoted.


 ah - that puzzle is finally solved :)
 thanks.
 
  
 
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Bill Grant]

Really, Curtis?  Is that a fix that has happened since ver 1.45?

I use the %quotes macro in my reply template, but as you can see, I still
get the blank lines.  I am using version 1.45.  Please tell me that this
problem is fixed in 1.46d!  I will upgrade immediately!

Thanks
Bill Grant


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>>> Do you use the %quotes macro to quote text for your replies or do you
>>> always manually copy and paste as quote?

B>> I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing list
B>> replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be long) I
B>> normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

> Manual copy and pasting as quote will lead to blank lines being quoted.
> However, quotations generated using the quotes macro will not have blank
> lines being quoted.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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Hi Bill,

On 20 October 2000 at 22:56:13 GMT -0400 (which was 03:56 where I
live) Bill Grant wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

B>>> I have the %QUOTES macro in my Reply template; but for mailing
B>>> list replies (because I'm mostly on digests and they tend to be
B>>> long) I normally copy+paste just the bit I want to reply to.

>> Manual copy and pasting as quote will lead to blank lines being quoted.
>> However, quotations generated using the quotes macro will not have blank
>> lines being quoted.

BG> Really, Curtis?  Is that a fix that has happened since ver 1.45?

Nothing has changed - Curtis was just "tellin; it how it is".

BG> I use the %quotes macro in my reply template, but as you can see,
BG> I still get the blank lines.

Yes, that's how the %QUOTES macro works. To have blank lines prefaced
with the quote prefix, the only way is to use the paste facility. I
suppose you could change your templates to use the %CLIPBOARD macro
and confine yourself to copying the quote text to the clipboard before
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Bill Grant]

I REALLY hope that RIT fixes this in version 2!  Please, RIT?  Please?


Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

BG>> I use the %quotes macro in my reply template, but as you can see,
BG>> I still get the blank lines.

> Yes, that's how the %QUOTES macro works. To have blank lines prefaced
> with the quote prefix, the only way is to use the paste facility. I
> suppose you could change your templates to use the %CLIPBOARD macro
> and confine yourself to copying the quote text to the clipboard before
> replying.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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  On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:37:12 -0400, Bill Grant wrote:


BG> I REALLY hope that RIT fixes this in version 2! Please, RIT? Please?
   ^
   Fixes? It's not broken. Its just an
   implementation decision. I hope they make it
   optional or provide an easier facility for
   you to quote the way you wish to. Fixing
   means it's broken and I disagree with that.

>> Yes, that's how the %QUOTES macro works. To have blank lines prefaced
>> with the quote prefix, the only way is to use the paste facility. I
>> suppose you could change your templates to use the %CLIPBOARD macro
>> and confine yourself to copying the quote text to the clipboard before
>> replying.


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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Bill Grant]

I respectfully disagree. The situation you describe is a very minor
inconvenience (one key stroke). You have made the assumption that the
responder wishes to comment on EVERY paragraph of the included
text.  A majority of the time, that is not the case.

Personally, I find it difficult to follow "who said what" with your
implementation of the %quotes macro.  I STRONGLY prefer every line,
including blank lines to include the quote mark.  Can this be an
optional setting in the next version?

Regards,
William L. Grant


Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

> I guess, I should explain why. Blank lines are used for separating
> paragraphs, right? So, if you want to insert your comments between
> quoted paragraphs, you should place the cursor on the first blank line
> and start typing. Now, if the blank line is quoted, you should either
> remove quoting at the start of the line or press the Enter key, but
> you will end up with a new quoted line and you still have to remove
> quoting. :-) Both ways are not very comfortable, are they? That is why
> we decided not to quote blank lines. And, from my point of view,
> absence of quote marks at the start of blank lines makes quoted text
> more readable...

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Bill,

On 22 October 2000 at 12:25:05 GMT -0400 (which was 17:25 where I
live) Bill Grant wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

BG> I respectfully disagree. The situation you describe is a very
BG> minor inconvenience (one key stroke). You have made the assumption
BG> that the responder wishes to comment on EVERY paragraph of the
BG> included text. A majority of the time, that is not the case.

Moderators Note: If you have no comment to make on a paragraph then
that paragraph should *not* be included in the reply, or should be
heavily trimmed to provide any important contextual information. This
is basic netiquette.

BG> Personally, I find it difficult to follow "who said what" with
BG> your implementation of the %quotes macro.

.. and I find the opposite to be true.

BG> I STRONGLY prefer every line, including blank lines to include the
BG> quote mark. Can this be an optional setting in the next version?

I personally doubt that this would be made an option. Anything that
breaks the way TB's editor is designed to work best tends not to be
implemented, no matter how well the concept may be rationalised.

>> we decided not to quote blank lines. And, from my point of view,
>> absence of quote marks at the start of blank lines makes quoted
>> text more readable...

I agree with Stefan's paragraph legibility comments here.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Abigail,

On  Sun, 22 Oct 2000  at  16:28:19 GMT -0700 (which was 4:28 PM
where I live) witnesses say Abigail Marshall typed:

> Is it possible now (or in a future version) to allow quote identifying
> options to be set separately by folder, rather than globally.

Use the %Quotestyle macro your templates.  Remember this macro must
precede the %Quotes macro.


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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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Hi Abigail,

On 23 October 2000 at 16:28:19 GMT -0700 (which was 00:28 where I
live) Abigail Marshall wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

AM> Is it possible now (or in a future version) to allow quote
AM> identifying options to be set separately by folder,

Yes, by using the %QUOTESTYLE="?" macro in folder / address book
templates. From the Help on the %QUOTESTYLE macro:

QUOTESTYLE=”expression” - specify the quotation sign prefix used after
this macro. Expression can be any of the following:

NONE- use an empty prefix (a standard)
I   - use initials of the sender of the original message
IF  - use the first initial of the sender of the original message
N   - use the full name of the sender of the original message
F   - use the first name of the sender of the original message
L   - use the last name of the sender of the original message
=text   - use the “text” as the prefix, e.g. %QUOTESTYLE=”=-|”

AM> If this feature already is available, please let me know how to invoke
AM> it. So far, I have only been able to find this in setting my global
AM> options.

HTH

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[George Mealer]

On 10/22/2000 at 4:51 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> Yes, by using the %QUOTESTYLE="?" macro in folder / address book
MDP> templates. From the Help on the %QUOTESTYLE macro:

Sure makes me wish I could specify templates for Inbox, since I have
15-odd mailing lists to use this quoting style with, and one Inbox to
not use it with.  I don't want to have to set up a custom template for
each mailing list folder.  :T

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

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Hi George,

On 23 October 2000 at 18:56:39 GMT -0700 (which was 02:56 where I
live) George Mealer wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

MDP>> Yes, by using the %QUOTESTYLE="?" macro in folder / address book
MDP>> templates. From the Help on the %QUOTESTYLE macro:

GM> Sure makes me wish I could specify templates for Inbox, since I have
GM> 15-odd mailing lists to use this quoting style with, and one Inbox to
GM> not use it with.  I don't want to have to set up a custom template for
GM> each mailing list folder.  :T

So set up a Quick Template with the bulk of the template and the rest
in the Address Book entries for each list calling on the QT with
%QINCLUDE="Handle" with the "Handle" of the QT you have defined. That
way, if you want to have a universal style change, you only have to
change the QT once.

By associating with the AB entry for the list, you can split list
traffic over multiple folders without having to re-specify the
templates for the list because it's tied to the address.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

[George Mealer]

On 10/22/2000 at 7:10 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> By associating with the AB entry for the list, you can split list
MDP> traffic over multiple folders without having to re-specify the
MDP> templates for the list because it's tied to the address.

That's actually a very good idea.  I hadn't gotten around to puzzling
out the Address Book yet (I still don't get the presence of all the
LDAP folders, etc.)  A little experimentation shows the method you
describe works well.

I still wish I could change default templates for system-provided
folders, though; there are instances where it might be handy.  :)
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Re[2]: Selective Quoting

[Alan Poulton]

Friday, January 25, 2002, 12:28:39 PM, David van Zuijlekom wrote:

wD>> Is it okay to reply to a message and start a new thread by using
wD>> [was original topic]

> Yes no problem.

I remember reading that that is not okay.. When starting a new topic,
start a new thread. Some people will not be following a certain thread,
so any new topics in that thread could be missed by people.  For
instance, I don't read messages pertaining to PGP since I don't use it.
If a new topic was started within a PGP thread, I would never see it.

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Quoting from sent messages

[David Denton]

Hello TBUDL,

  Is  there  a way of quoting oneself and putting it in a new message.
  This  would  useful  in cases where one wishes to clarify a previous
  message. I would like to be able to select a section of a previously
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Re: Questions about quoting

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Hi Jeffrey,

@16 March 2002, 04:35:51 -0600 (10:35 UK time) Jeffrey Sharp wrote in
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> I am new to TB!, but I already like it more than any other mail client.
> There are a couple of issues, though, that have me peeved, and I would like
> to know if they can be prevented.

> (0) Quoted text within quoted text doesn't behave like I want.  I get
>   ">>>> Text",
> but I want
>   "> > > > Text".

Please don't want that. It is what happens when email software goes
wrong! The way TB does it is 100% correct. What's more, the
forthcoming new version (it's bad form to discuss new features here,
but I'm sticking my neck out because it must be getting close to a
release) uses the quoting levels to alternately colour odd and even
quotes. Broken quoting like that for which you hanker will break that
feature.

> (1) When blank lines are quoted, they aren't prefixed by a '>' character.
> How can I enable this?

Only by using the "Paste as quote" feature. This is a long time wish
list item from many users. TB doesn't quote blank lines in normal
quoting because it breaks TB's ability to re-wrap quoted paragraphs by
blurring the edges of paragraphs. Paragraphs are delimited by a clear
blank line in TB's editor.

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Quoting (was: Manipulating groups)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Joseph!

On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 5:45:20 PM you wrote:

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> Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine wrote on Tuesday, March 26, 2002:


At the moment I use the RTV as my standard viewer. One of the things I
like, is to have signatures in light grey, thus rendering them
unobtrusive.

The downside comes with your quoting style: below the sig delimiter. I
don't want to start one of those futile discussions on how to quote
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Really annoying quoting-thingy

[Jakob Breivik Grimstveit]

See mail file located at ...

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I  find  it *really* annoying the way TB tries to detect quoting characters.
Many  times,  it  is  an  url  or  an  arrow  sign  (like  this ->) which is
interpreted  as  quoting  characters. URL to messeage above contains such an
example.

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Re: quoting only selected text

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> In newer versions of TB!, is it possible to 'reply all' while quoting
> only selected text?

Right click on the preview pane: Message > Reply to All quoting selected
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