[tw5] Re: (Early) Query: Could We Do "Rich Previews" ?

[Reet Pandher]

Hi TonyM,

I'm unable to preview websites using the richlink plugin.. Only websites 
that seem to work are tiddlywiki.com , wikipedia and youtube video links..
Any tips?


On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:38:54 AM UTC+5:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Joshua
>
> I think book marks are an Importiant use of tiddlywiki. Especialy on 
> tiddlydesktop as html open the default browser but you can open local 
> files, folders and even applications.
>
> I will try and share my current method on return to my study office. 
>
> It includes finding tiddlers who's text field has the prefix http file etc 
> and import process that generated bookmark tiddlers.
>
> I plan to use shiraz to improve the look and want a way of acquiring 
> images and icons because looking for book marks is supported visually.
>
> Perhaps rich links previews could be thumb nails?
>
> regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[SizzlinSJ]

Question,
Any way we can configure it to 
1. Split data into bullets based on usual (*) and indents using (**,***) as 
relations and not linebreaks,
Example, 
* Topic
** Subtopic
***  Subtopic 2

Or

2. Export the bullet list made in TW as flat text using (*) or (any char) 
like the above example.  

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[TonyM]

Thanks,

Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 1:28:33 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TonyM,
> In the plugin stylesheet, look for the background color for the menubar, 
> you could ad opacity.
> https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_opacity.asp
> The opacity-level describes the transparency-level, where 1 is not 
> transparent at all, 0.5 is 50% see-through, and 0 is completely transparent.
>
> Birthe
>
>
> It would be nice to make the menu bar able to have an opaque background.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[TonyM]

Birthe,

Yes, I have done 90% of a local storage indicator icon to make this simple. 
Which I will eventually combine with any use of local storage.

Regards
Tony


On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 1:56:25 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TonyM,
>
> Thank you so much. It sure make sense.
> I lack a lot of knowledge in these areas because I do not get much around, 
> and do not own smartphone and only an old, small tablet I do not like to 
> use ;-). Money really is the root of all evil;-)
> Your example using tiddlywiki.com is very well chosen, that can be 
> understood by everyone.
>
> It is kind of related to the panic reaction. Your wiki will not save, 
> error message or something. Fever dragging of the latest tiddlers to the 
> browsers menubar getting strange names. Find the backup and start over, 
> drag the strange names to the wikia sigh of relief is heard.
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard shortcut to hide/show sidebar?

[Reet Pandher]

Birthe, Soren

Thanks a lot for the reply. For some reason my brain kept searching for *Hide 
Sidebar* option in Keyboard Shortcuts tab in control panel and i completely 
glanced over the *toggle-sidebar* option. My Bad!!

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard shortcut to hide/show sidebar?

[Birthe C]

Reet pandher,

Finding tiddlywikies on the internet, you will se some with further 
keyboard shortcuts added. Some of them might not work for you, due to you 
using another OS. If so you can change them (as Soren explained from 
control panel "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab). The problem being finding 
something useful not in use for something else.

For creating your own 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20create%20keyboard%20shortcuts

Birthe


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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[Birthe C]

TonyM,

Thank you so much. It sure make sense.
I lack a lot of knowledge in these areas because I do not get much around, 
and do not own smartphone and only an old, small tablet I do not like to 
use ;-). Money really is the root of all evil;-)
Your example using tiddlywiki.com is very well chosen, that can be 
understood by everyone.

It is kind of related to the panic reaction. Your wiki will not save, error 
message or something. Fever dragging of the latest tiddlers to the browsers 
menubar getting strange names. Find the backup and start over, drag the 
strange names to the wikia sigh of relief is heard.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard shortcut to hide/show sidebar?

[Soren Bjornstad]

Birthe has the right answer to this specific question, but for a general 
solution to "is there a keyboard shortcut for X?", you can look at the 
default keyboard shortcuts by opening the control panel and going to the 
"Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. You'll find this one listed under *toggle-sidebar*
.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-5, Reet Pandher wrote:
>
> Is there any pre-existing shortcut?
> If not is there a way to create one?
>

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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[TonyM]

Birth,

Having the local storage plugin installed but disabled means it is lurking 
there if needed. Imagin for examples it was on tiddlywiki.com if you 
switched it on and customised it a little every time you return the 
customisations will remain. Arguably you could load the edition from a read 
only location and start editing in the browser or on your mobile, without 
being able to save, then you go opps, I will activate local storage and 
keep working. Even after closing the window you can return on the same 
device to the same url and the local storage reloads your changes. When you 
get home or have the time you can export your changes and re-import on a 
writable copy. This is not possible unless the local storage plugin is 
first installed.

You could call it contingency planning.

There are many reasons why this can be used in the future and that is why I 
installed it, for future options. The concern about installing too much 
before hand is in many cases a furphy the functionality is what we and new 
users want. This is in part why I want to start publishing fairly simple 
functional versions because we typically only see empty or finished 
editions.

To combat the risk of loss I plan to make it possible to backup the changes 
only and recover the wiki state from those changes if lost. ie backup the 
changes from a Read only internet resource not the whole wiki.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TonyM,
>
> Good idea, it had left my copy immediately after download.
>
> Lead post *Edit: *Attachment Updated not to include Google Analytics 
>> plugin.
>>
>
> I am curious about the use of $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/browser-storage. I 
> know it is disabled by default in your file. It has been discussed a couple 
> of times mostly with lots of warnings, which is also the case in the plugin 
> readme. You have mentioned several times that you liked it and used it. It 
> is included in your file, though disabled.
> Would you please explain a little about, why you like using it. Have you 
> had any bad experiences using it. It is confusing to me, but I do not like 
> to miss out on something just due to lack of knowledge and being af chicken.
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Birthe C]

TonyM,
In the plugin stylesheet, look for the background color for the menubar, 
you could ad opacity.
https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_opacity.asp
The opacity-level describes the transparency-level, where 1 is not 
transparent at all, 0.5 is 50% see-through, and 0 is completely transparent.

Birthe


It would be nice to make the menu bar able to have an opaque background.
>

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Birthe C]

TonyM,

I think menubar is good at tiddlywiki.com, but would benefit from some 
changes, as you noted.
It is not so easy to ad your own button and make it look and work good. It 
is good for selecting the inbuild options.
For my private wikis I prefer something else depending on the use of that 
exact wiki.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[Birthe C]

TonyM,

Good idea, it had left my copy immediately after download.

Lead post *Edit: *Attachment Updated not to include Google Analytics plugin.
>

I am curious about the use of $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/browser-storage. I know 
it is disabled by default in your file. It has been discussed a couple of 
times mostly with lots of warnings, which is also the case in the plugin 
readme. You have mentioned several times that you liked it and used it. It 
is included in your file, though disabled.
Would you please explain a little about, why you like using it. Have you 
had any bad experiences using it. It is confusing to me, but I do not like 
to miss out on something just due to lack of knowledge and being af chicken.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[TonyM]

Birth Nice, Will try it my self

It would be nice to make the menu bar able to have an opaque background.

But the menu bar needs improvement, or the core to support it better, when 
installed you will not see the save and reload red bar, even the drag and 
drop green bar.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:28:20 AM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Stobot,
>
> I didn't see height either. But you commented on  the padding.
> Find it in the stylesheet ...here:
> nav.tc-menubar ul.tc-menubar-list {
> position: relative;
> list-style-type: none;
> margin: 0;
> padding: 0 0 0 42px;
> background: <>;
> background: <>;
> <>
> }
>
>
> You could try something like...
> padding: 10px 0 10px 42px;
>
> Birthe
> søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.02.44 UTC+2 skrev Stobot:
>>
>> Thanks Birthe, yes, looked there (noted in OP), but didn't see any height 
>> parameter. I'm not skilled with CSS though so maybe I'm missing something.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[TonyM]

Lead post *Edit: *Attachment Updated not to include Google Analytics plugin.

Tony

On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 7:20:12 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> The following attachment is a CodeMirror edition ot tiddlywiki an various 
> other useful plugins an settings.
>
> *Edit: *Attachment Updated not to include Google Analytics plugin.
>
> I have thrown it together using my own favorite plugins an extensions, to 
> demonstrate how we can each publish TiddlyWiki editions.
>
> *Description;*
> *Tiddlywiki with select codeMirror plugins and simple supporting 
> configuration*
> *Primarily for those wish to edit Tiddlers with the CodeMirror Plugins and 
> not have to start from empty.*
>
>
> If you find this useful please let us know, and if you don't please also 
> let us know.
> Feedback or Latest Edition 
> 
>  If 
> you have enhancements or suggestions do post there and I will consider them.
>
> CodeMirror.html is 3.5MB in size.
>
> What has being installed and Configured in this Wiki Edition?
>
>- Based on empty.html version 5.1.22
>- Selected Code Mirror Plugins
>   - See Control Panel > Plugins > Get more Plugins
>- Browser Local Storage installed but disabled
>   - Can activate if required
>- TableOfContents's Macro in Contents SideBar and set to default tab.
>- Choose Files Button (in Multiple mode)
>- Home Tiddler, This Manifest Tiddler
>- Default tiddlers set to [[Home]] [list[$:/StoryList]] *always open 
>home and what was last open*
>- Visible button tweeks
>- Additional core Plugins see list
>- Favorites Plugin (Star Tiddlers)
>- Trash Bin Plugin
>- details Widget Plugin
>- relink plugin
>- Copy Tag macro (See tag Pill) $:/PSaT/copy-tag
>- Added Open all tagged macro (See tag Pill) $:/PSaT/open-all-tagged
>- Added Close All tagged (see Tag Pill) $:/PSaT/close-all-tagged
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Can I make tag pills clickable in edit mode?

[TonyM]

Soren,

I through this together, so have a look at how it works, not exactly what 
you want but perhaps functionally the same.

See attached

Not the view toggle is local, the edit toggle global

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 10:57:05 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Soren,
>
> I think there are two issues here, and the first is simply ensuring the 
> popup occurs on pills when in the edit mode. The second in the popup, but 
> that is trivial and the default is possibly all you need.
>
> I am working on a tool for this now, and will shareback soon. I have 
> discovered some other functionality I want to include which you can remove 
> if you don't want it.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:04:01 AM UTC+10, Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>> I was imagining making the part of the pill that doesn't have the X 
>> button on it trigger the popup.
>>
>> I was able to get it to *link* to the tag tiddler just by surrounding it 
>> with a simple <$link> widget, but the logic for the popup is much more 
>> complicated and I'm struggling to follow all the levels of macro calls in 
>> various places.
>>
>> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:42:52 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Soren,
>>>
>>> I was brief in my answer with a direction to go rather than the full 
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> I would tend to make a button that toggles between the view and edit tag 
>>> views when in edit mode.
>>>
>>> However you could clone the existing view tags and customise it.
>>>
>>> What do you imagin?
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>

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Edit tags toggle.json
Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: Can I make tag pills clickable in edit mode?

[TonyM]

Soren,

I think there are two issues here, and the first is simply ensuring the 
popup occurs on pills when in the edit mode. The second in the popup, but 
that is trivial and the default is possibly all you need.

I am working on a tool for this now, and will shareback soon. I have 
discovered some other functionality I want to include which you can remove 
if you don't want it.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:04:01 AM UTC+10, Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
> I was imagining making the part of the pill that doesn't have the X button 
> on it trigger the popup.
>
> I was able to get it to *link* to the tag tiddler just by surrounding it 
> with a simple <$link> widget, but the logic for the popup is much more 
> complicated and I'm struggling to follow all the levels of macro calls in 
> various places.
>
> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:42:52 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Soren,
>>
>> I was brief in my answer with a direction to go rather than the full 
>> solution.
>>
>> I would tend to make a button that toggles between the view and edit tag 
>> views when in edit mode.
>>
>> However you could clone the existing view tags and customise it.
>>
>> What do you imagin?
>>
>> regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[TonyM]

Agreed,

Core plugin. Perhaps if Saq makes it a dependency it will install from the 
library. Thus it is a trivial dependency?

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 2:51:12 AM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:35:57 PM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>>
>>>1. do nothing and use an external plugin like Relink (current 
>>>situation, but its a non trivial plugin dependency)
>>>
>>>  I agree with this strategy but wonder if a relink equivalent should be 
>> introduced to the core, as fundamental as it is, even if it is selectable.
>>
>
> I did think about this too. ... But at the moment relinks is developed in 
> a much faster pace then the core. ... So imo atm it would be slowed down 
> too much. 
>
> I do think, it should stay a plugin. ... But I can think of it, to be a 
> core plugin, if flibbles wants to go that route.
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

Looking great. Nice work. I am assuming here this will be very good for 
taking notes in class or a meeting because each note is effectively saved 
when you move to the next paragraph.

Thanks
Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:39:03 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think if people want a detailed split, then they should use the slicer 
> edition. The SE uses the sax.js library to break down things atomically. 
> However, even it doesn't always get it right -- you see remainders of HTML 
> tags in the sample split. The problem with the slicer edition is that the 
> result isn't really portable -- it needs to be viewed inside the slicer 
> edition, AFAIK.
>
> My thinking now is to have 3 split options, probably from a dropdown menu: 
> no split, split by \n\n, and split by self-defined category. So if you 
> wanted to split by the horizontal markup ( \n) you could do that. 
> Otherwise, there's probably an unlimited number of ways people could think 
> to split things.
>
> I'm also thinking of adding the ability to allow the user to join up the 
> next X items. So you could join the next 3 paragraphs to the current 
> tiddler, mark them as "no split", and just keep that as one "semantic 
> unit.". Behind the scenes, the original paragraphs would be deleted.
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 4:40:07 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> springer
>>
>> I think he's doing very Good. "\n\n+" is a primary marker in actual 
>> written WikiText. It is a fundamental *separation unit.*
>> Seems a very Good DEFAULT to split on after blanks.
>>
>> *BUT *I'm sure Mark S. is aware you could split differently. SINCE 
>> blocks like this ARE an issue...
>>
>>
>> <<<
>> My Hamster went feral.
>>
>> --Pet fallacy
>> <<< 
>>
>>
>> *A line START, After "\n\n" is *"<<<". It is likely easy to find 
>> (simplifying slightly) regex = "\n{2,}<<<\n".
>>
>> The ISSUE  I think is  any idea you need read blocks to do basic 
>> splitting. I don't think you do in WikiText. *Merely regex for start of 
>> block*. 
>>
>> I think the issue is whether you looking to "Protect" blocks within a 
>> COMPLEX parser, OR could be happy with INCREMENTAL SPLITTING.
>>
>> What do I mean? You use a SERIES of <> to reduce your WikiText 
>> to smaller fragments in order matched to use case. Rather than a 
>> blunderbuss complex code.
>>
>> The point being only that START string should be enough most of the time 
>> in actual WikiText usage.
>>
>> Ask if this is not clear.
>>
>> I footnote this with being explicit I don't actually know Mark's intent.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 31 May 2020 03:07:22 UTC+2, springer wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not simply have noto refuse to split any paragraphs that would break 
>>> any unresolved markup syntax? So
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> Three things I have trouble remembering...
>>>
>>> 1. When...
>>>
>>> 2. Why...
>>>
>>> 3. What was the question?
>>>
>>> <<< —Somebody
>>>
>>>
>>> would not get split up, nor would
>>>
>>> @@float:right; If I don't try...
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> I won't succeed. 
>>> @@
>>>
>>> That would suffice for most of my use-cases; if things belong together 
>>> as an assertion-like unit, I'm often "wrapping" them in some way or 
>>> other... Also, it seems that whenever we *do* use markup syntax, we will 
>>> get weird effects if the opening and closing markup end up in different 
>>> tiddlers. So this would be a good default behavior.
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 5:13:40 AM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:

 As a matter of fact, the problem with this solution is that the essence 
 of the plugin would be lost. Then we need to approach the problem from the 
 other side:

 For example, putting a space in an empty line would not cut the 
 paragraph into pieces. However, this space must be deleted before saving 
 the tiddler in order for the text to actually appear as two paragraphs. 
 But 
 if you delete it, the next time you edit it, there would actually be two 
 paragraphs, so the plugin would want to split it.

 That's not a good solution either ... I still have to think about 
 something useful.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Simple way to link image to Tiddler?

[Eric Shulman]

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:54:41 PM UTC-7, Jake wrote:
>
> Looks like partial solution is to make it an actual button:
> <$button>
> <$action-navigate $to="Sample One"/>
> [img [imgurl]] 
> 
> but this way the image will look like an actual button, with borders and 
> stuff. How to make it stay looking like a normal image?
>

Add "tc-btn-invisible" class, like this:
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">...

Note also that the $button widget directly support navigation via the 
"to=..." param, like this:
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" to="Sample One">[img[imgurl]]

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Simple way to link image to Tiddler?

['Jake' via TiddlyWiki]

Looks like partial solution is to make it an actual button:

<$button>
<$action-navigate $to="Sample One"/>
[img [imgurl]] 


but this way the image will look like an actual button, with borders and 
stuff. How to make it stay looking like a normal image?

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[tw5] Re: Simple way to link image to Tiddler?

['Jake' via TiddlyWiki]

PS. Well, maybe I described it not the proper way. I want to open Tiddler 
not in a browser (though that still doesn't work for some reasons), but 
just to open the needed Tiddler inside my TW. So the image would serve like 
some kind of button.

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[tw5] Simple way to link image to Tiddler?

['Jake' via TiddlyWiki]

I know it should be pretty easy, but I searched a bit on this forum before 
asking and read this one http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Markup but haven't 
found the answer.

So, what's the easy way to link image to a Tiddler? 

I tried using permalinks 

 
[img[imgurl]] 

but it didn't work for some reason.

I tried creating separate Tiddler with path in case I move the wiki

[[MyTiddlyWikiPath]]
file:///G:/!Notebook/TiddlyWiki/sample-tiddly.htm

 [img[imgurl]] 

but it didn't work either.

S, what's the catch?

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[Birthe C]

Mark S,

Yes please! I would very much like that.

Birthe

søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.39.03 UTC+2 skrev Mark S.:
>
> I'm also thinking of adding the ability to allow the user to join up the 
> next X items. So you could join the next 3 paragraphs to the current 
> tiddler, mark them as "no split", and just keep that as one "semantic 
> unit.". Behind the scenes, the original paragraphs would be deleted.
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think if people want a detailed split, then they should use the slicer 
edition. The SE uses the sax.js library to break down things atomically. 
However, even it doesn't always get it right -- you see remainders of HTML 
tags in the sample split. The problem with the slicer edition is that the 
result isn't really portable -- it needs to be viewed inside the slicer 
edition, AFAIK.

My thinking now is to have 3 split options, probably from a dropdown menu: 
no split, split by \n\n, and split by self-defined category. So if you 
wanted to split by the horizontal markup ( \n) you could do that. 
Otherwise, there's probably an unlimited number of ways people could think 
to split things.

I'm also thinking of adding the ability to allow the user to join up the 
next X items. So you could join the next 3 paragraphs to the current 
tiddler, mark them as "no split", and just keep that as one "semantic 
unit.". Behind the scenes, the original paragraphs would be deleted.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 4:40:07 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> springer
>
> I think he's doing very Good. "\n\n+" is a primary marker in actual 
> written WikiText. It is a fundamental *separation unit.*
> Seems a very Good DEFAULT to split on after blanks.
>
> *BUT *I'm sure Mark S. is aware you could split differently. SINCE blocks 
> like this ARE an issue...
>
>
> <<<
> My Hamster went feral.
>
> --Pet fallacy
> <<< 
>
>
> *A line START, After "\n\n" is *"<<<". It is likely easy to find 
> (simplifying slightly) regex = "\n{2,}<<<\n".
>
> The ISSUE  I think is  any idea you need read blocks to do basic 
> splitting. I don't think you do in WikiText. *Merely regex for start of 
> block*. 
>
> I think the issue is whether you looking to "Protect" blocks within a 
> COMPLEX parser, OR could be happy with INCREMENTAL SPLITTING.
>
> What do I mean? You use a SERIES of <> to reduce your WikiText 
> to smaller fragments in order matched to use case. Rather than a 
> blunderbuss complex code.
>
> The point being only that START string should be enough most of the time 
> in actual WikiText usage.
>
> Ask if this is not clear.
>
> I footnote this with being explicit I don't actually know Mark's intent.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 31 May 2020 03:07:22 UTC+2, springer wrote:
>>
>> Why not simply have noto refuse to split any paragraphs that would break 
>> any unresolved markup syntax? So
>>
>> <<<
>> Three things I have trouble remembering...
>>
>> 1. When...
>>
>> 2. Why...
>>
>> 3. What was the question?
>>
>> <<< —Somebody
>>
>>
>> would not get split up, nor would
>>
>> @@float:right; If I don't try...
>> 
>>
>>
>> I won't succeed. 
>> @@
>>
>> That would suffice for most of my use-cases; if things belong together as 
>> an assertion-like unit, I'm often "wrapping" them in some way or other... 
>> Also, it seems that whenever we *do* use markup syntax, we will get weird 
>> effects if the opening and closing markup end up in different tiddlers. So 
>> this would be a good default behavior.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 5:13:40 AM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>>>
>>> As a matter of fact, the problem with this solution is that the essence 
>>> of the plugin would be lost. Then we need to approach the problem from the 
>>> other side:
>>>
>>> For example, putting a space in an empty line would not cut the 
>>> paragraph into pieces. However, this space must be deleted before saving 
>>> the tiddler in order for the text to actually appear as two paragraphs. But 
>>> if you delete it, the next time you edit it, there would actually be two 
>>> paragraphs, so the plugin would want to split it.
>>>
>>> That's not a good solution either ... I still have to think about 
>>> something useful.
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks. Chrome has the same feature as well as TiddlyDesktop. It’s quite
useful and I’ve learned a lot from. I can usually solve my styling problems
easily with that. This time that one key statement eluded me.

Thanks again for your help.

Damon

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:17 AM Birthe C  wrote:

> Damon,
> Honestly, I remembered I had done something like that years ago, tried to
> remember the name of one of my old wikis using it.
>
> One way to find some information of what to do can be found using firefox,
> put the mouse on something, right click and select inspect element.
> Honestly many times it just ad to my confusion. It gets a little better
> with time, so keep doing it.
>
> Birthe
>
> søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.04.38 UTC+2 skrev Damon Pritchett:
>>
>> Thanks Birthe,
>>
>> That last css statement is what I was missing. If I may ask, is that
>> something you just picked up with experience or were you able to figure
>> that out? If you figured it out, where did you find it?
>>
>> Damon
>>
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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

 In NW, every tiddler split into other tiddlers gets added to the list 
field of the main tag. Likewise, every tiddler deleted (via the interface) 
is removed from the list field of the main tag.

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Birthe C]

Stobot,

I didn't see height either. But you commented on  the padding.
Find it in the stylesheet ...here:
nav.tc-menubar ul.tc-menubar-list {
position: relative;
list-style-type: none;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 42px;
background: <>;
background: <>;
<>
}


You could try something like...
padding: 10px 0 10px 42px;

Birthe
søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.02.44 UTC+2 skrev Stobot:
>
> Thanks Birthe, yes, looked there (noted in OP), but didn't see any height 
> parameter. I'm not skilled with CSS though so maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Birthe C]

Damon,
Honestly, I remembered I had done something like that years ago, tried to 
remember the name of one of my old wikis using it.

One way to find some information of what to do can be found using firefox, 
put the mouse on something, right click and select inspect element. 
Honestly many times it just ad to my confusion. It gets a little better 
with time, so keep doing it.

Birthe

søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.04.38 UTC+2 skrev Damon Pritchett:
>
> Thanks Birthe,
>
> That last css statement is what I was missing. If I may ask, is that 
> something you just picked up with experience or were you able to figure 
> that out? If you figured it out, where did you find it?
>
> Damon
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Birthe,

That last css statement is what I was missing. If I may ask, is that 
something you just picked up with experience or were you able to figure 
that out? If you figured it out, where did you find it?

Damon


On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Terrible colours used here, I know, but it is only an example:
>
> .tc-page-controls button:hover svg, .tc-page-controls a:hover svg {
> fill:Orange;
> }
>
> .tc-page-controls .tc-image-save-button {
> fill:blue;
> }
>
> body.tc-dirty span.tc-dirty-indicator svg  {
> fill:darkred;
> }
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard shortcut to hide/show sidebar?

[Birthe C]

Shift-Alt-S

Birthe

søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 16.42.45 UTC+2 skrev Reet Pandher:
>
> Is there any pre-existing shortcut?
> If not is there a way to create one?
>

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Stobot]

Thanks Birthe, yes, looked there (noted in OP), but didn't see any height 
parameter. I'm not skilled with CSS though so maybe I'm missing something.

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[PMario]

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:35:57 PM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
>
>>1. do nothing and use an external plugin like Relink (current 
>>situation, but its a non trivial plugin dependency)
>>
>>  I agree with this strategy but wonder if a relink equivalent should be 
> introduced to the core, as fundamental as it is, even if it is selectable.
>

I did think about this too. ... But at the moment relinks is developed in a 
much faster pace then the core. ... So imo atm it would be slowed down too 
much. 

I do think, it should stay a plugin. ... But I can think of it, to be a 
core plugin, if flibbles wants to go that route.

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[PMario]

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 2:43:37 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> One of the things I would love to get feedback on, is how to handle 
> tiddlers being renamed.
> If a child tiddler is renamed, it vanishes from the bullet list as the 
> reference saved in a field in the parent is no longer accurate.
>

... relink should be able to handle this, with a proper setting. I did test 
it and it seems you did the setting already. It seems to work for me. 
 

> Possible options are:
>
>1. do nothing and use an external plugin like Relink (current 
>situation, but its a non trivial plugin dependency)
>
> Yea, but it's probably one, that users use / need anyway.
 

>
>1. Use the "list" field and the core ability to update... except that 
>we will at some point clash with other things (like tags) using this field 
>as well.
>I would prefer to have the option to leave the tags untouched and thus 
>usable for other purposes.
>
> I wouldn't do that. As you wrote, it will porbably create problems with 
tags. 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Birthe C]

Damon,

Terrible colours used here, I know, but it is only an example:

.tc-page-controls button:hover svg, .tc-page-controls a:hover svg {
fill:Orange;
}

.tc-page-controls .tc-image-save-button {
fill:blue;
}

body.tc-dirty span.tc-dirty-indicator svg  {
fill:darkred;
}

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[PMario]

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 2:34:20 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

For the MindMap, if you code it I will make sure it works with this part ;)
> I have to admit I don't have much motivation in that direction as I have 
> never personally found such visual aids very helpful... you know how it is, 
> we all think and learn in different ways.
>

Yea, that was brainstorming mode. .. I personally like MindMaps a lot. Even 
if they are created with pen and paper. ... But it wasn't easy to create a 
2 way communication between TW and eg: FreeMind. ... 

There has been a post, here in the group, lately, which triggered me to 
search for an open source javascript library, with which it could be done 
using TW. ... I did find the linked project and they also have a "toolkit 
", which looks promising. It only has the 
"basic" features, so the lib isn't overloaded yet. 

Some more thoughts ;)

-m

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[tw5] Re: Does it _all_ have to be in one html file?

[amreus]

Ok I wasn't familiar with Bob, but after briefly checking it out it's very 
easy and syncs both directions so definitely worth checking out.

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[tw5] Re: Does it _all_ have to be in one html file?

[amreus]

>From what I understand, syncing individual .tid files from the filesystem 
to the web browser is not supported due to some technical issues.  

However if you run a local node.exe server, tiddlers editied in the browser 
will be automatically synced to the filesystem where you can edit them 
using any editor.

If you want to edit the .tid files, you should stop the server, edit the 
files, then restart the server to view them in the browser.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js
https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders

The following example command line is right from the above link where 
`mywiki` is the name of your wiki folder:

tiddlywiki +plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem +plugins/tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb 
mywiki --listen



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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Birthe C]

Stobot,

Did you look in $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles. If you think the 
padding is too thin, you could increase it.

Birthe

søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 16.49.51 UTC+2 skrev Stobot:
>
>
> Any ideas on making the menubar itself taller though? It's so thin it 
> doesn't have much padding above/below the search bar and looks kind of 
> unfinished to me. I'd like it thicker - kind of like the height / function 
> of this google groups page as I type. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Stobot]

Thanks Tony

The 

> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/sticky and set Top to 40px
>
part is perfect - on the default (tiddlywiki.com) a value of 28 works okay. 
Any more than that and you can see the rest of the tiddler cycle above the 
sticky title, which seems wonky.

The other part 

> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/storytop 
> 
>
Doesn't seem to do anything related to that, though in reading the thread, 
I'd agree that for the long term, that setting should also probably control 
where sticky titles lives

Any ideas on making the menubar itself taller though? It's so thin it 
doesn't have much padding above/below the search bar and looks kind of 
unfinished to me. I'd like it thicker - kind of like the height / function 
of this google groups page as I type. 

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[tw5] Keyboard shortcut to hide/show sidebar?

[Reet Pandher]

Is there any pre-existing shortcut?
If not is there a way to create one?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

Some but mostly through stylesheets.



On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:05 AM Reet Pandher 
wrote:

> Are you customizing via the color palette?
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:50:07 AM UTC+5:30, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I’ve been playing around with customizing my TW and am trying to change
>> the color of the icons in the page controls buttons. I haven’t figured out
>> a way to do it without breaking the save button changing colors when
>> changes have occurred. I’m trying to get a color that’s different than the
>> general background color. What am I missing?
>>
>> Damon
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[tw5] Re: Can I make tag pills clickable in edit mode?

[Soren Bjornstad]

I was imagining making the part of the pill that doesn't have the X button 
on it trigger the popup.

I was able to get it to *link* to the tag tiddler just by surrounding it 
with a simple <$link> widget, but the logic for the popup is much more 
complicated and I'm struggling to follow all the levels of macro calls in 
various places.

On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:42:52 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Soren,
>
> I was brief in my answer with a direction to go rather than the full 
> solution.
>
> I would tend to make a button that toggles between the view and edit tag 
> views when in edit mode.
>
> However you could clone the existing view tags and customise it.
>
> What do you imagin?
>
> regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

TT,

I am imaging you just drag an drop something to cause the list field to be 
created, then drag it back?

I have asked for a way to trigger this programaticaly. But not got it 
recognised as valuable.

Not sure why

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:40:59 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> *Side Issue #A*
>
> Nothing to do with NW per se. But I got my fuddles in a furrow with Tag 
> Tiddlers for a while.
> I still find TW Taggery confusing. So you can tag 4000 Tiddlers but no tag 
> tiddler with list field exists? Bit confusing.
>
> I basically figured out how to manually populate the tag's list field when 
> you import tagged tiddlers for testing.
>
> Just a comment.
>
> On Saturday, 30 May 2020 22:57:37 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to 
>>>default to using the current tiddler as the document tag.
>>>- New prompts for initialization, with some help to make the initial 
>>>tiddler based on the current file name
>>>- A "no split" option
>>>- A delete button
>>>
>>> Be sure to backup anything that's important, since the new stuff is 
>>> barely tested and lots of internal changes had to happen.
>>>
>>>
>> More updates. You can now hide the edit toolbar if you want. There are 
>> buttons to save all-up HTML to clipboard or a specified tiddler, and 
>> corresponding buttons for wiki text. These new options are on the bottom of 
>> your document. 
>>
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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[TonyM]

Stobot,

If I am correct in my guess that you need to set the top to something like 
40px.
:See Control panel > Appearance > Theme Tweeks
:$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/storytop (Sets how low the starting 
position of the story is, to make room for menus etc... 
::Available in theme tweeks
::[[Discussion|https:
//groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/tiddlywiki/NDKhJ-i3_hc]]
:You can adjust 'Top' in $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/sticky (Ton [[
discussion|https:
//groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/NDKhJ-i3_hc/XybCcXqmAwAJ]]
:See $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/sticky and set Top to 40px as an example
Put this in a tiddler for my notes on this.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 11:39:38 PM UTC+10, Stobot wrote:
>
> I really like the menubar option recently added, but am hoping to tweak it 
> a bit. 
>
>1. It appears that the "StickyTitles" option isn't menubar aware? It 
>sticks the titles about halfway through. Can this be fixed?
>2. Can the height of the menubar be increased? I don't see an option 
>in the control panel, or even in the $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles 
>tiddler where I hoped it might be
>
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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[TonyM]

Ognsya

Some thoughts on you idea

>
> The idea that a user is forced to give a Title to every tiddler seems to 
> go against the principle of allowing tiddlers to be the smallest units of 
> content. 
>

So as not to loose the smallest piece of content, they need to be 
addressable, and have a unique name. You can generate them programmatically 
and use captions and aliases instead if you want. Just not so many people 
do.
 

>
> The Name could still be the Title (if it exists within the Tiddler), or 
> the first few words within the tiddler. The user could also change it to 
> whatever they want.
>

I right in thinking here In some ways you are saying give me automatic 
titles? (checking for uniqueness)

>
> This is just an overview of my idea... I can explain further if you'd 
> like. As I mentioned, I'm currently mocking this up. But would be good to 
> know what you guys think about it, so I know what makes sense and what 
> doesn't!
>
> Perhaps when you have you mockup you should share what you learn.

We are quite open to new ideas and approaches, I have considered a similar 
path to you, but you may take another. So I hope you share.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[Stobot]

I really like the menubar option recently added, but am hoping to tweak it 
a bit. 

   1. It appears that the "StickyTitles" option isn't menubar aware? It 
   sticks the titles about halfway through. Can this be fixed?
   2. Can the height of the menubar be increased? I don't see an option in 
   the control panel, or even in the $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles 
   tiddler where I hoped it might be
   

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[TonyM]

Saq,

I just got to try this now I am back at my desktop and looking good. A Few 
quick comments on your latest notes.

Interestingly before looking I expected the tiddler titles to actually be 
the text in the bullets. I would be fine with this even. The actual text 
field could be used in subsequent lines since bullet points naturally are 
"points" or list items. In which case the title of the subtiddler is 
somewhat obvious, and in fact normally contains the words that helps one 
determine when the items is needed and where.

I would just add whatever we want to call a bulletstream it is a method by 
which to outline, and the main feature of mind mapping apps is not really 
the visualisation but to be able to make a root above the root and other 
relationships as needed and quickly, before the though disappears. I see 
bullet stream as capable of this.


>1. do nothing and use an external plugin like Relink (current 
>situation, but its a non trivial plugin dependency)
>
>  I agree with this strategy but wonder if a relink equivalent should be 
introduced to the core, as fundamental as it is, even if it is selectable.

>
>1. make a core pull request to get a rename tiddler hook that is 
>usable (the current one isnt) and handle the rename updates
>
> That makes sense for this and other future use no matter what. 

>
>1. rework all relationships between tiddlers to be based on UUIDs 
>rather than tiddler titles. This is entirely doable and would be rename 
>resilient, at the cost of longer and more complex code. The mapping from 
>child tiddler to parent is already UUID based, the reverse could be as 
>well, it just makes lookups harder.
>
> Having explored the creation of compound tiddlers, I have considered 
related issues for some time. I also build a simple UUID method that works 
comprehensively. I actually believe it can be quite simple. There are even 
techniques to make lookups simple. I will give this more thought after 
reading and playing more.
 

>
>1. Use the "list" field and the core ability to update... except that 
>we will at some point clash with other things (like tags) using this field 
>as well.
>I would prefer to have the option to leave the tags untouched and thus 
>usable for other purposes.
>
> I like this approach to leave tags untouched. But tags are just an example 
of a kind of list anyway. If the root tiddler contained a list of tiddlers, 
Names or ideally UUIDs or as I have come to realise they need not be as 
universal as one may think, current tiddler titles are not universal. What 
I call a TSN Tiddler Serial Number can be created as needed as long as 
there is no ambiguity, they can be short, and collected together like a 
list of tiddlers. Given a list draggable tool they can be reordered. 
Perhaps even an alt-tag field of sorts. A few simple macros could work like 
the qualify macro to dish out a unique id as needed, or provided a TSN 
display the title of the tiddler that owns it. I will look at this a little 
further.

Take your time with your health, but it sounds like it is sometimes your 
source of inspiration, if not the time you build things.

Love your work

Thanks again
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[OGNSYA]

I'm quite new to TW, but I have been thinking about a few things to suggest 
regarding flow (I've been doing some mock-ups).

One of these suggestions is to have tiddlers be identified by "name" 
(essentially a unique identifier), instead of by Title.

The idea that a user is forced to give a Title to every tiddler seems to go 
against the principle of allowing tiddlers to be the smallest units of 
content. 

The Name could still be the Title (if it exists within the Tiddler), or the 
first few words within the tiddler. The user could also change it to 
whatever they want.

This is just an overview of my idea... I can explain further if you'd like. 
As I mentioned, I'm currently mocking this up. But would be good to know 
what you guys think about it, so I know what makes sense and what doesn't!

Hope you feel better soon btw!

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:43:37 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> One of the things I would love to get feedback on, is how to handle 
> tiddlers being renamed.
> If a child tiddler is renamed, it vanishes from the bullet list as the 
> reference saved in a field in the parent is no longer accurate.
>
> Possible options are:
>
>1. do nothing and use an external plugin like Relink (current 
>situation, but its a non trivial plugin dependency)
>2. make a core pull request to get a rename tiddler hook that is 
>usable (the current one isnt) and handle the rename updates
>3. rework all relationships between tiddlers to be based on UUIDs 
>rather than tiddler titles. This is entirely doable and would be rename 
>resilient, at the cost of longer and more complex code. The mapping from 
>child tiddler to parent is already UUID based, the reverse could be as 
>well, it just makes lookups harder.
>4. Use the "list" field and the core ability to update... except that 
>we will at some point clash with other things (like tags) using this field 
>as well.
>I would prefer to have the option to leave the tags untouched and thus 
>usable for other purposes.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[Saq Imtiaz]

One of the things I would love to get feedback on, is how to handle 
tiddlers being renamed.
If a child tiddler is renamed, it vanishes from the bullet list as the 
reference saved in a field in the parent is no longer accurate.

Possible options are:

   1. do nothing and use an external plugin like Relink (current situation, 
   but its a non trivial plugin dependency)
   2. make a core pull request to get a rename tiddler hook that is usable 
   (the current one isnt) and handle the rename updates
   3. rework all relationships between tiddlers to be based on UUIDs rather 
   than tiddler titles. This is entirely doable and would be rename resilient, 
   at the cost of longer and more complex code. The mapping from child tiddler 
   to parent is already UUID based, the reverse could be as well, it just 
   makes lookups harder.
   4. Use the "list" field and the core ability to update... except that we 
   will at some point clash with other things (like tags) using this field as 
   well.
   I would prefer to have the option to leave the tags untouched and thus 
   usable for other purposes.

Cheers,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TiddlyTweeter]

*Side Issue #A*

Nothing to do with NW per se. But I got my fuddles in a furrow with Tag 
> Tiddlers for a while.
> I still find TW Taggery confusing. So you can tag 4000 Tiddlers but no tag 
> tiddler with list field exists? Bit confusing.
> I basically figured out how to manually populate the tag's list field when 
> you import tagged tiddlers for testing.


Just a comment.

On Saturday, 30 May 2020 22:57:37 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>- You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to 
>>default to using the current tiddler as the document tag.
>>- New prompts for initialization, with some help to make the initial 
>>tiddler based on the current file name
>>- A "no split" option
>>- A delete button
>>
>> Be sure to backup anything that's important, since the new stuff is 
>> barely tested and lots of internal changes had to happen.
>>
>>
> More updates. You can now hide the edit toolbar if you want. There are 
> buttons to save all-up HTML to clipboard or a specified tiddler, and 
> corresponding buttons for wiki text. These new options are on the bottom of 
> your document. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Mario,

Thank you for the kind words. To be honest I don't think of it as an 
outliner either, but the approach is pretty versatile and lends itself well 
to different use cases. For me, brainstorming still involves paper and a 
pen, or a plain text file. I see this as one step up, still fast and text 
based, but with some affordances to be able to move things around and 
re-arrange them.

In your Roadmap you mentioned: 
>
> *refactor to use macro parameters to initialize different types of 
>> bullets: paragraphs, to do items, comments etc.*
>>
>
> I wouldn't go with different types of bullet tiddlers. I'd go with "icon" 
> and "color" fields instead. TW already knows about those elements and can 
> nicely handle them. 
>

Yeah that isn't well explained. My thinking is each row corresponds to a 
tiddler and right now we just render the text of the tiddler. But if you 
allow each tiddler to be rendered through a custom template, then you can 
easily have bullets that are todo items with checkboxes and due dates based 
on tiddler fields, for example. Or different colour borders and icons as 
you suggest. 

I haven't thought this through completely as to whether the custom template 
to use would be decided on a per tiddler basis through a field, or 
otherwise. I am recovering from illness at the moment, and any kind of big 
picture thinking beyond what is right ahead of me at the moment makes my 
brain segfault and stop working, which is why this project has been stalled 
the last two weeks and I decided to post the videos and now the demo. Until 
I can code properly we may as well discuss.  So any and all input and ideas 
are very welcome, just bear with me if I am bit slow until I am fully 
recovered.
 
For the MindMap, if you code it I will make sure it works with this part ;)
I have to admit I don't have much motivation in that direction as I have 
never personally found such visual aids very helpful... you know how it is, 
we all think and learn in different ways.

Cheers,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TiddlyTweeter]

Briefly Thomas

TBH I did not mention your "Concept" wiki as I wasn't sure if it was public.

I think its very good.

Your version of a  Story Saver is, in a way, central. It is elegant. Useful.

The differences between Mark's approach to edit and yours in Concept is 
fascinating.

I think they are different but complimentary. It might be interesting to 
combine them?

Just thoughts
TT




On Friday, 29 May 2020 23:03:41 UTC+2, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hello TWilosophers,
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> This seems to be like a question TT might ask, "What is a document?" 
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Quickly picking up on that point ... whilst the iron is hot.
>>
>
> Me too :–D  After TT mentioned one of my older plugins "listreveal" I 
> think I’ll have to clarify. Listreveal is a tool to efficiently reveal (as 
> the name says) and edit (should I rename it?) tiddlers that can be listed 
> (as in *filtered*). I would call this a collection of tiddlers but NOT a 
> document per se. Of course I used it to create documents myself e.g. work 
> reports or todo lists – documents about stuff that can be listed.
>
> The similarity of NotoWritey and listreveal is that they live inside a 
> tiddler. In my concept for documents on the other hand, I tried to optimize 
> the reading experience by displaying the content of many tiddlers without 
> displaying ANY (visible) tiddlers. And I found a TW concept simpler than 
> displaying the content of many tiddlers inside another tiddler ...
>
> Ultimately I came to the conclusion, that a *story* should be a document. 
> So based on work from Jan I made a concept more than a year ago:
> https://tid.li/tw5/test/concept.html – this has just been updated to TW 
> 5.1.22 now, but has been work without progress for a long time, might have 
> bugs and surely has an awful lack of documentation.
>
> Jan had developed a tool to mange stories (in the meantime others might 
> have done that too), which I adapted to my needs. The result is called 
> StoryAdmin and maybe you could get a glimpse of my mental concept if you 
> would read the readme at 
> https://tid.li/tw5/test/concept.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FJR-telmiger%2FStoryAdmin
>
> I use tags to create a table of contents, but I use stories to save 
> documents. This way, tiddlers in a wiki can be compiled (re-used) in many 
> different documents. In my book example you can load the whole story (then 
> the document is the book) or you can load one chapter (then the document is 
> like a few pages copied from a book).
>
> I hope you find this interesting.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao bimlas

I want to underline the point you can use Mark's tool to simply edit 
Tiddlers en mass without ANY consequence of splitting at all.

In those cases, likely very common, actually, there would be NO issue on 
search of the type you describe.

Just a comment
TT

On Wednesday, 27 May 2020 12:58:27 UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>
> MarkS,
>
> It’s an ingenious solution, but I see the same problem in it as in bullet 
> list solutions: it makes searching cumbersome. For example, if I search for 
> "create", only that paragraph will be included in the search results, so if 
> I want to see the original tiddler, I have to search back by its name. I 
> don’t know if it simplifies or complicates life.
>
> One solution might be to store the original tiddler of the paragraph in a 
> field and create a view template that displays a link to the original 
> tiddler at the bottom of the paragraph tiddler. Although in this case, 
> renaming the original tiddler breaks the connection because it does not 
> rewrite it in every field. However, this problem also exists with the 
> current operation: if I rename the "How To Use NotoWritey" tiddler in the 
> demo, I can't retrieve the parent based on the title of the paragraphs 
> because they still contain the original title.
>
> I feel a growing need to be able to identify tiddlers by an always 
> constant UUID in the TiddlyWiki core as well.
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TiddlyTweeter]

springer

I think he's doing very Good. "\n\n+" is a primary marker in actual written 
WikiText. It is a fundamental *separation unit.*
Seems a very Good DEFAULT to split on after blanks.

*BUT *I'm sure Mark S. is aware you could split differently. SINCE blocks 
like this ARE an issue...


<<<
My Hamster went feral.

--Pet fallacy
<<< 


*A line START, After "\n\n" is *"<<<". It is likely easy to find 
(simplifying slightly) regex = "\n{2,}<<<\n".

The ISSUE  I think is  any idea you need read blocks to do basic splitting. 
I don't think you do in WikiText. *Merely regex for start of block*. 

I think the issue is whether you looking to "Protect" blocks within a 
COMPLEX parser, OR could be happy with INCREMENTAL SPLITTING.

What do I mean? You use a series of <> to reduce your WikiText to 
smaller fragments in order matched to use case. Rather than a blunderbuss 
complex code.

The point being only that START string should be enough most of the time in 
actual WikiText usage.

Ask if this is not clear.

I footnote this with being explicit I don't actually know Mark's intent.

Best wishes
TT







On Sunday, 31 May 2020 03:07:22 UTC+2, springer wrote:
>
> Why not simply have noto refuse to split any paragraphs that would break 
> any unresolved markup syntax? So
>
> <<<
> Three things I have trouble remembering...
>
> 1. When...
>
> 2. Why...
>
> 3. What was the question?
>
> <<< —Somebody
>
>
> would not get split up, nor would
>
> @@float:right; If I don't try...
> 
>
>
> I won't succeed. 
> @@
>
> That would suffice for most of my use-cases; if things belong together as 
> an assertion-like unit, I'm often "wrapping" them in some way or other... 
> Also, it seems that whenever we *do* use markup syntax, we will get weird 
> effects if the opening and closing markup end up in different tiddlers. So 
> this would be a good default behavior.
>
> -Springer
>
>
> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 5:13:40 AM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>>
>> As a matter of fact, the problem with this solution is that the essence 
>> of the plugin would be lost. Then we need to approach the problem from the 
>> other side:
>>
>> For example, putting a space in an empty line would not cut the paragraph 
>> into pieces. However, this space must be deleted before saving the tiddler 
>> in order for the text to actually appear as two paragraphs. But if you 
>> delete it, the next time you edit it, there would actually be two 
>> paragraphs, so the plugin would want to split it.
>>
>> That's not a good solution either ... I still have to think about 
>> something useful.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Reet Pandher]

Are you customizing via the color palette?

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:50:07 AM UTC+5:30, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> All, 
>
> I’ve been playing around with customizing my TW and am trying to change 
> the color of the icons in the page controls buttons. I haven’t figured out 
> a way to do it without breaking the save button changing colors when 
> changes have occurred. I’m trying to get a color that’s different than the 
> general background color. What am I missing? 
>
> Damon 

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TiddlyTweeter]

Quick note. Great! I'll update a couple of examples to fit the new &  post 
later.

TT

On Saturday, 30 May 2020 22:57:37 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>- You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to 
>>default to using the current tiddler as the document tag.
>>- New prompts for initialization, with some help to make the initial 
>>tiddler based on the current file name
>>- A "no split" option
>>- A delete button
>>
>> Be sure to backup anything that's important, since the new stuff is 
>> barely tested and lots of internal changes had to happen.
>>
>>
> More updates. You can now hide the edit toolbar if you want. There are 
> buttons to save all-up HTML to clipboard or a specified tiddler, and 
> corresponding buttons for wiki text. These new options are on the bottom of 
> your document. 
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop won't appear in the programs list or on the start menu.

[Reet Pandher]

Hi Anita,


   1. Right click on* nw.exe* and click on *create shortcut* and rename the 
   shortcut to *TiddlyDesktop.exe*
   2. Then browse to *C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs*
   3. Create a folder named *TiddlyDesktop*
   4. Paste your shortcut created in Step 1 in this folder
   
Hope this helps.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 12:14:31 AM UTC+5:30, Anita T wrote:
>
> I've tried to install TiddlyDesktop.  I downloaded and unzipped it and ran 
> nw.exe.  I got the actual program to run but it won't show up in the 
> programs list, I cannot pin it to my start menu or dock, and when running, 
> said program doesn't use the correct dock icon.  Is there a way to install 
> it correctly?  I'm very new at this. 
>
> Thanks
>

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Re: [tw5] Webserver: PUT request failing with error

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Riz,

You need to add -H "X-Requested-With: TiddlyWiki" in your command (see
https://tiddlywiki.com/#WebServer%20Parameter%3A%20csrf-disable)

Regards,
-- Xavier.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 3:53 AM Riz  wrote:

> I created an empty server wiki and added a tiddler with title "New". GET
> request against "http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New";
> returns proper response. However various attempts at PUT request fails with
> the following error message.
>
> HTTP/1.1 403 'X-Requested-With' header required to login to 'My
> ~TiddlyWiki'
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 01:43:14 GMT
> Connection: keep-alive
> Transfer-Encoding: chunked
>
>
> Commands I attempted
>
> curl -X PUT -i 'http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' --data
> '{
> "title": "New",
> "tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
> "my-custom-field": "Field value"
> }'
>
>
> curl -X PUT -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -i '
> http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' --data '{
> "title": "New",
> "tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
> "my-custom-field": "Field value"
> }'
>
>
>
> curl -X PUT -H 'X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest' -H 'Content-Type:
> application/json' -i 'http://127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New'
> --data '{
> "title": "New",
> "tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
> "my-custom-field": "Field value"
> }
>
> curl -X GET -H 'X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest' -i 'http://
> 127.0.0.1:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New' --data '{
> "title": "New",
> "tags": "FirstTag [[Second Tag]]",
> "fields": {
> "my-custom-field": "Field value"
> }
> }'
>
>
> Is there a value of X-Requested-With header that is necessary?
>
> Anyone who successfully managed to issue a PUT request against the
> TW-Server, could you furnish the command you issued?
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[PMario]

Hi Saq, 

I love it. ... I know that it's an outliner, but I think it's the closest 
thing to a brainstorming "mind mappy" thing. 

I also love the minimalistic UI, no distractions, pure functionality.

--- Brainstorming mode on

I would really love to switch between BulletStream and a MindMap view 
similar to this one , use "Zettelkasten" 
numbering schema as aliases, instead of UUIDs. 

In your Roadmap you mentioned: 

*refactor to use macro parameters to initialize different types of bullets: 
> paragraphs, to do items, comments etc.*
>

I wouldn't go with different types of bullets. I'd go with "icon" and 
"color" fields instead. TW already knows about those elements and can 
nicely handle them. 

eg: 

 - In edit mode the "border-right" could be 4px solid blue using the color 
field of the tiddler. 
 - There could be a *setting *to show a "mini-icon" instead of the bullet 
point

Icon and color can be reused in MindMap view. ... I'd love that. 

-- Brainstorming mode off

Really great stuff!!
-mario

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[Saq Imtiaz]

Thanks @pmario. I see the problem. Will update a little later. 

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:41:59 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 7:21:02 AM UTC+2, Reet Pandher wrote:
> ... 
>
>> How do i indent another level under the bullet points?
>>
>
> Edit the bullet and hit TAB key.  SHIFT-TAB will unindent as written here 
> . 
>
> There is a problem with "root" tiddlers, that contain spaces. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[PMario]

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 7:21:02 AM UTC+2, Reet Pandher wrote:
... 

> How do i indent another level under the bullet points?
>

Edit the bullet and hit TAB key.  SHIFT-TAB will unindent as written here 
. 

There is a problem with "root" tiddlers, that contain spaces. 

-mario

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[tw5] Lazy Loading and Performance of TW5

[balasubramanian Achuthan]

Hi All,

I have been using TW5 for some time now and i love it. I have decided to 
use TW5. i am moving all my notes in various format (.md, .txt) to TW5. 
Till yesterday, i had imported around 100+ tiddlers. I came across an 
article on inserting "external Images", and it was suggested not to copy 
paste the images directly into a tiddler, as it may have performance 
impact. Recommended approach was to use "_canonical_uri' to import the 
images.

The problem i have is, i have large collection of text as well as graphical 
snippets from web and other sources for my Masters. So saving each and 
every image to a directory and then importing to TW5 may take lot of time. 
So i was looking for some alternative. Can you guys please clarify? 
Currently i am using a single static HTML (TiddlyDesktop way) to store my 
Notes. In-fact i have lot of image snippets than text.

1. I was looking at articles on Lazy Loading images. 
(https://tiddlywiki.com/#LazyLoading). If i move to node.js way of storing 
tiddlers, and lazy load all the images (using base64encodedRawData in HTML) 
- am i improving the performance ?  Could not find more details on the 
wiki, so asking here.

2. I want to organize my TW5 Wiki as a note book for each Research Area and 
index it using a global TW5 Wiki

e.g.
NotesWiki (TW5)
  -- Maths
  -- Cryptography
  -- Data Privacy
  -- Security

If there is way for TW5 to export tags and links using a Query like e.g. 
Maths.html#Content (where content could be a top level tag / tiddler), i 
can call this from NotesWiki to display the list with a link. Do we have 
such mechanism ?

Thanks,
Bala.

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