[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Another thought;

Something similar to the info drop down, that could be activated with a 
button on All tiddlers as a drop zone would be nice. Keeping top the idea 
of a drop zone bar, perhaps with over size buttons.

I wonder if this could be made to become visible on all tiddlers if there 
is an active drag in progress?, just as the green top bar is on drop drag 
to wiki.

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:40:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:

> Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to be 
> large enough its not too fiddly.
>
> I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars in 
> the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by the 
> "Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
> destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
> field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.
>
> Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build this.
>
> I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
>> 
>>
>> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
>> enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mario,
>>>
>>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>>
>>> For Example 
>>>
>>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>>> edit, 
>>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>>> the 
>>>wiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>>> any 
>>>   existing tiddler.
>>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>>> zones 
>>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>>> Streams 
>>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>>
>>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>>
>>> I wonder;
>>>
>>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>>to make this easy to build?
>>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>>over the title perhaps?
>>>
>>> Thanks for contributing
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I'm not really sure, what you want. 
 It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
 you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
 "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
 into the tiddler. 

 The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
 directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 

 I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 

 I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.

 -mario

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Default Tiddler Configuration

[PMario]

Hi,
See the instructions at: 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/tf-7T3zxEo0/m/qOR8yPFNAwAJ  You 
need to change the 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Flanguage%2FMissingTiddler%2FHint  tiddler 
too.
-m

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[tw5] Re: filter to get tiddlers newer than a given date

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You need the "filter" operator which is actually a subfilter operator. It 
requires you to pre-specify the inner filter with a variable:

<$vars myfilt="[get[modified]compare:date:gt[2021]]">
<]">>




On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:56:30 PM UTC-7 james.w@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've tried [all[tiddlers]get[modified]compare:date:gt[2021]] in advanced 
> search but this seems to give me links to tiddlers named after modified 
> field
>
> eventually would like to do this in a plugin via $tw.wiki.filterTiddlers, 
> is there a way to do this in the advanced search on the filters tab? If nto 
> what is the best way to do this in a widget?
>
>
> thanks,
> James
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Thanks Charles!

I wrote "now", but since then something has come up. I installed it, but
will have to wait to play with this until the morning. Thank you for
working on this!


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:28 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Poop.  I missed the starting pistol.
>
> As before, you supply "Tiddler A."  And you will want to alter the
> "ThisPrefix" and "ThisSuffix" macros in "Add Tiddler A Content" tiddler.
>
> Cheers !
>
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[tw5] [IDEA] Archiving tiddlers, for Projectify users and potentially others

[dieg...@gmail.com]

I work a lot with Nicos excellent Projectify plugin. 

As a result, I have a lot of ephemeral tiddlers for my to-dos that once 
done, are no longer really needed as full tiddlers. I don't need to search 
them, tag them, etc. 

Also, since I use node, I don't really want them cluttering the tiddlers 
folder, as I frequently go in there and do some searching outside TW.

As a result, I thought about "Archiving" them, or "flattening" them, into a 
single JSON tiddler for reference. 

I came up with the following "Archive" button, which appends all tiddlers 
tagged with done to an Archive tiddler. 

Code:
<$vars archiveTiddlerTitle="Archive" 
   todoText=<> 
   emptyJSON="[]" linebreak="

"> 
<$set name="newArchiveText" 
  filter="[!match]" 
  value={{{ 
[titleget[text]addsuffixaddsuffix] 
}}} 
  emptyValue={{{ [titleget[text]] }}} >

<$button>
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> 
  $field="text" 
  $value=<> />
<$action-deletetiddler $filter="[tag[done]]" />   
Archive! 






Some notes:

   - I had to solve an annoying issue with the <> macro that 
   when its empty, returns an "[]", which is actually not empty (is this 
   intended?!) 
   - Different archiving batches will just be appended as separate JSON 
   objects, instead of merging everything back into one large JSON object.
   - There is no "unarchive" feature, and building one is probably beyond 
   my abilities (thought might be a good use case for Joshua's JSON Mangler! 
   if I understand it correctly!)


This could be of use for others to "flatten" large tag structures that 
you're done with and don't need flying around as separate tiddlers. 

Your thoughts/suggestions/comments/etc are welcome!

Diego

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Poop.  I missed the starting pistol.

As before, you supply "Tiddler A."  And you will want to alter the 
"ThisPrefix" and "ThisSuffix" macros in "Add Tiddler A Content" tiddler.

Cheers !


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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

now.

David Gifford
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On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:26 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> BTW, I have an updated version of that prototype that adds prefix and
> suffix.  Ridiculously easy.  Let me know if and when you want to check it
> out.
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:39:57 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>>
>> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>>
>>
>>- Add Tiddler A Content
>>   - This is the meat of it all
>>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for
>>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon,
>>   later
>>
>>
>> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever
>> text in it.
>>
>> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what
>> happens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly
>>> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 Hi Charlie,

 Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.

 No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content
 used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently
 reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler,
 along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start
 reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the
 content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.

 Blessings.




 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot 
 wrote:

> G'day David,
>
> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean
> you in the process ...
>
> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already
> be a few replies.
>
> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might
> be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content
> of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are
> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very
> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however
> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution
> need.)
>
> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of
> "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly
> that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever
> your cursor is sitting?
>
> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical
> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be
> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>
> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the
> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version
> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one
> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need
> it.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad
>> helped me. Thank you!
>>
>> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all
>> might help me.
>>
>> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields,
>> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete 
>> in a
>> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>>
>> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add
>> the missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the 
>> missing
>> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>>
>> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific
>> tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added 
>> to
>> a custom field of the new tiddler. The key component was
>> customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that
>> in an editortoolbar button with no success. How could I grab the 

[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[TW Tones]

Charlie,

Good idea. If I wanted to reduce the clashes I could use ".." unlike double 
__ or -- .. is clearer. and the chance others are using ".." is lower. then 
we can safely search for all "Related fields" ie; and field name containing 
".." eg discussion..name supports the field discussion with a name. 
Disambiguation from other fields using _ - or . which are permissible.

Now I need to automate in some way the identification of related fields and 
there use in code/wikitext.

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:21:51 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Underscores and dashes are pretty similar looking.  If that matters any 
> (i.e. if you already use either one in field names), then how about a 
> period?
>
> So "url.", looks nice to me.  Then you could have url.name, url.target, 
> etc.
>
> That becomes just a matter of personal preference.  I think they are all 
> fine for what you're thinking.
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have come across a "problem" for which I am investigating a solution, 
>> and keen to hear any ideas. ultimately I hope this to provide a generic 
>> solution for advanced field handling I would share back into the community.
>>
>> *Problem:*
>>
>> Consider we may like to have a field in one or more tiddlers to store a 
>> url to an external resource for that tiddler.
>>
>> Field: url, Value: https://tiddlywiki.com/#cycle%20Operator
>>
>> The thing is what if we wanted to store a simplified name such as "Cycle 
>> Operator" or a target for links such as _blank or "operators" there is no 
>> where to specify the url/name and url/target. when we construct a link to 
>> this URL it would be nice to find the name/target for this url 
>> field/tiddler combination.
>>
>> In future I also want to have a discussion-link tiddler with matching 
>> name and target, with even more similar fields.
>>
>> *Possible approach*
>> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
>> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
>> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
>> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
>> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
>> than I do?
>>
>> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; "url_" 
>> meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>>
>> *More complex systematic approach*
>> I could store in a data tiddler (For each tiddler) these additional 
>> subfields, or even in a new special text field inside each tiddler.
>>
>> *A not so desirable approach*
>> Build all the handling to allow the url field (in this case) actually be 
>> the full http link or html  tag. The problem being one may need to code 
>> and decode the content of the url field for every add or change, also if 
>> one had dozens of different link fields it could get messy.
>>
>> Your Thoughts?
>> Tones
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to be 
large enough its not too fiddly.

I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars in 
the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by the 
"Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.

Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build this.

I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.

Tones


On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
> 
>
> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
> enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>
>> For Example 
>>
>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>> edit, 
>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>> the 
>>wiki.
>>
>>
>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>> any 
>>   existing tiddler.
>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>> zones 
>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>> Streams 
>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>
>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>
>> I wonder;
>>
>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>to make this easy to build?
>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>over the title perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks for contributing
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>>> into the tiddler. 
>>>
>>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>>
>>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>>
>>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [IDEA] Advanced Edit Mode?

[Charlie Veniot]

Hey, I had a blast putting that together.  If you can tweak that thing to 
fit what you want to do, then I'll be in a celebratory mood !

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:31:39 PM UTC-3 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:

> CJ
>
> Thank you! This is a great start and will help me out a lot! 
>
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:43:22 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, a semi-matching no-fuss-no-muss solution?  Alternative tiddler 
>> editor: text à la JSON 
>> 
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-3 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I hate to beat a dead horse 
>>>  but I still 
>>> think an "advanced edit mode" would be very useful. I'm trying to develop a 
>>> proof of concept, but I am having some trouble. I've broken it down into 
>>> the following pieces/questions notes.
>>>
>>> This is just to start the conversation again and see if anyone can help 
>>> me hobble along towards a proof of concept.
>>>
>>>- An edit text widget whose contents will show the ".tid" version of 
>>>a tiddler
>>>   - Important tiddlers for this part: 
>>>   $:/core/templates/exporters/TidFile which uses the 
>>>   *$:/core/templates/tid-tiddler* template. 
>>>   - You can see it in action and get the "tid" version of any 
>>>   tiddler by doing: {{ || $:/core/templates/tid-tiddler }}
>>>  - Question: This all comes out on "one line". What happens to 
>>>  the "new lines"?
>>>   - Question: How can I populate the contents of an edit-text 
>>>   widget to be the .tid version? 
>>>   - It seems it can only edit a field of a tiddler, so Id have to 
>>>  create a new field which is the tid version of a tiddler of 
>>> interest?
>>>  - Where does the edit-text widget live? Certainly not in the 
>>>  tiddler of interest itself.
>>>  - Assuming the above works, when saving, the content of the 
>>>widget needs to be "imported"/parsed back to overwrite all fields of the 
>>>tiddelr of interest. 
>>>- Question: Can/should I use the import mechanism here? 
>>>   
>>> *Note*: This mode would be *very very* useful in quickly defining 
>>> fields, but it would be *supercharged* when paired with *multi-line 
>>> fields* (which is currently not supported - I wish!!)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Diego
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

Oh, and setup buttons for your drop zones, each button within divs of 
certain sizes, and each button of a class that has width and height at 
100%(filling their entire div containers.)

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>
> For Example 
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
> edit, 
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
> the 
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the 
>   URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any 
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones 
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams 
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each 
> tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to 
>make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>> into the tiddler. 
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A basket on the sidebar

[TW Tones]

Soren,

Nice example. I note opening the basket tiddler in a new window allows you 
to drag titles to it. 

Just some thoughts for futures

   - It would be nice to have the ability to drag the JSON from one wiki to 
   another, rather than go via file save and import. I have a button that does 
   this within the attached json. This is unpublished and not final.
   - Since this tool simply updates a list field this could be applied to 
   the story list, or we could permit dragging of list fields to a basket. 
   - Additional baskets would be nice eg: add basket button.
   - A version that removes the tiddler (converts it to within a JSON) and 
   deletes it would also be useful.

I am keen to get simple to use "list making and manipulation" tools. This 
is a nice start.

Tones
On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 09:14:39 UTC+10 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Here's a simple version. Put it in a tiddler called Basket and tag it 
> $:/tags/SideBar:
>
> \define apply-tag() <$list filter={{Basket!!list}}><$action-listops 
> $tags="Basket"/>
> \define clear-tag() <$list filter="[tag[Basket]]"><$action-listops 
> $tags="-Basket"/><$action-setfield $tiddler="Basket" list=""/>
> \define export-basket() <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-download-file" 
> $param="$:/core/templates/exporters/JsonFile" exportFilter={{Basket!!list}} 
> filename=<>/>
>
> Basket (drag tiddlers here):
>
> <>
>
> <$button actions=<> tooltip="Add the 'Basket' tag to all items 
> in the basket.">Apply tag
> <>
> <$button actions=<> tooltip="Export all the items in the 
> basket to a JSON file.">Export JSON
> <$button actions=<> tooltip="Remove the 'Basket' tag from all 
> items and clear the basket list.">Empty basket
>
> The list-links-draggable widget allows you to drag and drop tiddlers 
> (putting this as a sidebar tab might make it a little hard to source 
> tiddlers to drag though -- maybe better to put it somewhere else!). Those 
> will be stored in the list field of the Basket tiddler. Then the "Apply 
> Tag" button lets you tag each of those tiddlers, if you so desire. You can 
> then drag and drop the tag into a different wiki to copy the tiddlers, or 
> use the Export JSON button to export a JSON file. The empty button will 
> remove the Basket tag from all tiddlers where it's used and clear out the 
> list.
>
> Opportunities for improvement:
>
>- It would be possible to roll something using the $dropzone widget 
>that would automatically add the tag and eliminate the need for the "Apply 
>Tag" step. I was feeling lazy and wanted to use list-links-draggable.
>- You might consider temporarily turning off timestamps while tagging 
>and untagging things so that they don't show up as modified just because 
>you were selecting them (not sure if there's a way to do that with an 
>action tiddler).
>- The interface here leaves something to be desired, but should be 
>functional.
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:08:06 PM UTC-5 Atronoush wrote:
>
>> Is there any script or plugin with
>>
>> - a sidebar tab (I call it basket)
>> - drag and drop features! One can drag a tiddler (e.g title) into the 
>> basket
>> - when finished press a button to export as JSON
>> - the button can be dragged and drop into another wiki!
>>
>> The last part is what you see in TW-Icons
>>
>>
>> -Atro
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

How TO - Zoom on Hover 


Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>
> For Example 
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
> edit, 
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
> the 
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the 
>   URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any 
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones 
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams 
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each 
> tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to 
>make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>> into the tiddler. 
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [IDEA] Advanced Edit Mode?

[dieg...@gmail.com]

CJ

Thank you! This is a great start and will help me out a lot! 

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:43:22 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, a semi-matching no-fuss-no-muss solution?  Alternative tiddler 
> editor: text à la JSON 
> 
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-3 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I hate to beat a dead horse 
>>  but I still think 
>> an "advanced edit mode" would be very useful. I'm trying to develop a proof 
>> of concept, but I am having some trouble. I've broken it down into the 
>> following pieces/questions notes.
>>
>> This is just to start the conversation again and see if anyone can help 
>> me hobble along towards a proof of concept.
>>
>>- An edit text widget whose contents will show the ".tid" version of 
>>a tiddler
>>   - Important tiddlers for this part: 
>>   $:/core/templates/exporters/TidFile which uses the 
>>   *$:/core/templates/tid-tiddler* template. 
>>   - You can see it in action and get the "tid" version of any 
>>   tiddler by doing: {{ || $:/core/templates/tid-tiddler }}
>>  - Question: This all comes out on "one line". What happens to 
>>  the "new lines"?
>>   - Question: How can I populate the contents of an edit-text widget 
>>   to be the .tid version? 
>>   - It seems it can only edit a field of a tiddler, so Id have to 
>>  create a new field which is the tid version of a tiddler of 
>> interest?
>>  - Where does the edit-text widget live? Certainly not in the 
>>  tiddler of interest itself.
>>  - Assuming the above works, when saving, the content of the 
>>widget needs to be "imported"/parsed back to overwrite all fields of the 
>>tiddelr of interest. 
>>- Question: Can/should I use the import mechanism here? 
>>   
>> *Note*: This mode would be *very very* useful in quickly defining 
>> fields, but it would be *supercharged* when paired with *multi-line 
>> fields* (which is currently not supported - I wish!!)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Diego
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

BTW, I have an updated version of that prototype that adds prefix and 
suffix.  Ridiculously easy.  Let me know if and when you want to check it 
out.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:39:57 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>
> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>
>
>- Add Tiddler A Content
>   - This is the meat of it all
>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for 
>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon, later
>
>
> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever 
> text in it.
>
> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what 
> happens.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly 
>> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Charlie, 
>>>
>>> Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.
>>>
>>> No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content 
>>> used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently 
>>> reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler, 
>>> along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start 
>>> reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the 
>>> content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>>>
 G'day David,

 RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean 
 you in the process ...

 By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be 
 a few replies.

 Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might 
 be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content 
 of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
 editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
 moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
 else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
 need.)

 When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of 
 "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly 
 that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever 
 your cursor is sitting?

 Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
 snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
 individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?

 That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
 "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
 would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
 tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
 it.



 On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
> helped me. Thank you!
>
> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all 
> might help me. 
>
> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, 
> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in 
> a 
> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>
> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add 
> the missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the 
> missing 
> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>
> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific 
> tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added 
> to 
> a custom field of the new tiddler. The key component was 
> customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that 
> in an editortoolbar button with no success. How could I grab the text of 
> [[Current chapter]] and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it 
> into tiddlers? (as text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want 
> what is pasted to change when I change the text of Current chapter later 
> on)
>
> <$action-sendmessage
> 

[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[Charlie Veniot]

Underscores and dashes are pretty similar looking.  If that matters any 
(i.e. if you already use either one in field names), then how about a 
period?

So "url.", looks nice to me.  Then you could have url.name, url.target, etc.

That becomes just a matter of personal preference.  I think they are all 
fine for what you're thinking.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have come across a "problem" for which I am investigating a solution, 
> and keen to hear any ideas. ultimately I hope this to provide a generic 
> solution for advanced field handling I would share back into the community.
>
> *Problem:*
>
> Consider we may like to have a field in one or more tiddlers to store a 
> url to an external resource for that tiddler.
>
> Field: url, Value: https://tiddlywiki.com/#cycle%20Operator
>
> The thing is what if we wanted to store a simplified name such as "Cycle 
> Operator" or a target for links such as _blank or "operators" there is no 
> where to specify the url/name and url/target. when we construct a link to 
> this URL it would be nice to find the name/target for this url 
> field/tiddler combination.
>
> In future I also want to have a discussion-link tiddler with matching name 
> and target, with even more similar fields.
>
> *Possible approach*
> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
> than I do?
>
> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; "url_" 
> meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>
> *More complex systematic approach*
> I could store in a data tiddler (For each tiddler) these additional 
> subfields, or even in a new special text field inside each tiddler.
>
> *A not so desirable approach*
> Build all the handling to allow the url field (in this case) actually be 
> the full http link or html  tag. The problem being one may need to code 
> and decode the content of the url field for every add or change, also if 
> one had dozens of different link fields it could get messy.
>
> Your Thoughts?
> Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: How to categorize and do the search

[TW Tones]

Yes,

If you use a single html file, it is loaded into browser memory, so 1GB is 
likely unusable. There are ways to compress text for search algorithms but 
I do not think this relevant here. You could look into node and bob 
solutions for tiddlywiki, and what we call skinny tiddlers, but I suspect 
this will impact the searchability.

We cant easily say what the maximum size of a tiddlywiki.html is because 
there are more than one way that it can get too big, browser and device 
limitations can also impact it.

Can I suggest you review the original idea for this project and tell us 
about it. We may be able to give better advice if we know what you are 
trying to achive.

Regards
Tones

On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 13:24:54 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:

> But the size of the tiddler increases to nearly 1 GB..What is the maximum 
> size of the tiddler html file?
>
> Is there a way a tiddler can be splitted into couple of html files...
>
> like one core or main html file and it refers to others
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:41:17 AM UTC+5:30 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you need to say more;
>>
>> But if you imported all these files and searched for something, the 
>> search string would be in one or the other language. However you could tag 
>> each text (tiddler) with the language and limit searches to all tiddlers 
>> with that tag.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 03:08:17 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have the following
>>>
>>> English - 2,000 txt files
>>> Hindi - 1,800 txt files
>>> ...
>>> ..
>>>
>>> I want to import all of them but wanted to search with language specific
>>> Also, want to expand based on language.
>>>
>>> How to do this in tiddlywiki?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[TW Tones]

David,

If I understand it correctly you may need the stamp to first wikify this to 
text  {{Tiddler A}} so the content of "Tiddler A" text field is pasted into 
the target tiddler as its actual value, not a transclusion or text 
reference. Thus if tiddler A changes it will not change the previously 
pasted text?

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:40:02 UTC+10 David Gifford wrote:

> Ahhh...You are totally right to get confused by what I wrote. It's so hard 
> for me to explain what I mean. Here is another go:
>
> In terms of the editor toolbar button, yes, I want only one button, that 
> stamps the current content of the text field of Tiddler A at the time, and 
> when Tiddler A changes, the button will now paste the new content of 
> Tiddler A.
>
> But in terms of the tiddler that gets stamped, I need it not to change, so 
> the button can't stamp {{Tiddler A}}, because that would change as Tiddler 
> A gets updated. I need it to stamp it as text.
>
> Hopefully that is now clearer!
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM PMario  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:19:20 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> It's just that I use "wrap" buttons as workaround hacks to do stamping, 
>>> because stamp buttons are hidden in a menu, but wrap buttons can be 
>>> displayed directly on the toolbar, and they 'stamp' what's in the prefix if 
>>> you just insert your cursor rather than wrapping text.
>>>
>>
>> But then you said. You don't want to change what's pasted, if Tiddler A 
>> changes. ... So you will end up with a lot of toolbar buttons that have 
>> "fixed" text in it. ... IMO there isn't enough space in the toolbar. 
>>
>> From your first post you had code similar to 
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>> $param="replace-selection"
>> text={{Tiddler A}}
>> />
>>
>> So if you change Tiddler A ... The next time you'll copy something 
>> different. .. If you don't want this you'll need eg: 
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>> $param="replace-selection"
>> text="I am so happy"
>> />
>>
>> Right?
>>
>> But that doesn't make sense for me. ... You may end up with 100+ 
>> different buttons. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
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[tw5] Re: filter to get tiddlers newer than a given date

[TW Tones]

James,

get[modified] will return only tiddlers with a modified date if it has a 
value, you then ask it to be ones with 2021 (or greater).

I am not sure what your question is!

*"tiddlers named after modified field" ?*

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 08:56:30 UTC+10 james.w@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've tried [all[tiddlers]get[modified]compare:date:gt[2021]] in advanced 
> search but this seems to give me links to tiddlers named after modified 
> field
>
> eventually would like to do this in a plugin via $tw.wiki.filterTiddlers, 
> is there a way to do this in the advanced search on the filters tab? If nto 
> what is the best way to do this in a widget?
>
>
> thanks,
> James
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[TW Tones]

cj,

Some interesting ideas there, I would be inclined to use a dictionary 
tiddler containing "subfield: value" as it is easier to read, and edit 
manually than JSON, unless we had some more edit JSON field tools. Yes this 
can be a separate tiddler or a special field within tiddlers (preferred 
because then you can drag and drop between wikis and carry the subfield 
values).

In the original post I was placing under consideration the idea that a 
convention would be that a field such as "discussion" may also have a 
discussion_name and  discussion_target field. What ever handling I do for 
"discussion" I can test for the existence or or attempt to get the values 
in one or more "discussion_" fields. 

With this above method you can see a de facto standard and a small set of 
macros could help "make use of" these "subFields" but they can also be 
accessed independently if needed. 

With a "generic set" of supporting macros I could then redeploy these to 
provide a my-link,  my-link_name and  my-link_target. I imagine a macro 
<> <> returning 
the content of such a field or empty or default value.

Not withstanding the above I do not want to poison the issue with my own 
ideas, and wonder if there are smarter ways to achieve the same outcome. 
This is systematic and conceptual so I am not surprised you and Mario are 
currently the only responders.

Thanks again
Tones
On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 09:27:45 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just quick thoughts.
>
> Although easy enough to build a mechanism for virtual fields within a 
> field, would you be knee-capping many plugins that would know nothing about 
> virtual fields?
>
> I'm thinking it might be beneficial, instead, for every tiddler to have a 
> matching data tiddler for an unlimited number of index fields that are all 
> real/atomic.
>
> That aside, how about fields actually be like data tiddlers?  i.e. each 
> field that has virtual fields actually has a json structure ? So taking 
> advantage of a native mechanism, just tweaking it to work with tiddler 
> "data fields  à la JSON" instead of data tiddlers à la JSON.
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:14:25 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Cj/Mario,
>>
>> The url is simply one example. I am looking to be able to provide a 
>> method that any field can have additional supporting values. The idea that 
>> a url/uri field may have an accompanying name or target field is a good 
>> example of this.
>>
>> The idea would be to find a de facto standard and mechaisium to do this.
>>
>>
>>- I will consider the methods in the use of  _canonical_uri
>>
>> On multiples, url/uri is BUT one example. In my own application I intend 
>> also have a mechaisium to allow any fieldname-link (suffix -link) to 
>> contain a URL and want to find a way to also give these name and target 
>> values in the same tiddler. 
>>
>> But the same could be for other fields, for example 
>>
>>- Perhaps I could give the color field a color-name for 
>>display/selection.
>>- Or a list field a saved list field.
>>
>> Another method I have considered is an additional text field in a tiddler 
>> that can contain dictionary or json entries supporting additional "virtual 
>> fields".
>>
>> Thanks for considering this issues.
>> Tones
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 02:35:53 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What about if you have multiple url resources for a tiddler?  Is that a 
>>> flexibility you want?
>>>
>>> Or do you only ever want { 0:1 } url resource scenarios per tiddler?
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 I have come across a "problem" for which I am investigating a solution, 
 and keen to hear any ideas. ultimately I hope this to provide a generic 
 solution for advanced field handling I would share back into the community.

 *Problem:*

 Consider we may like to have a field in one or more tiddlers to store a 
 url to an external resource for that tiddler.

 Field: url, Value: https://tiddlywiki.com/#cycle%20Operator

 The thing is what if we wanted to store a simplified name such as 
 "Cycle Operator" or a target for links such as _blank or "operators" there 
 is no where to specify the url/name and url/target. when we construct a 
 link to this URL it would be nice to find the name/target for this url 
 field/tiddler combination.

 In future I also want to have a discussion-link tiddler with matching 
 name and target, with even more similar fields.

 *Possible approach*
 We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
 additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
 code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
 "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
 others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more 
 often 
 than I do?

[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[Charlie Veniot]

Just quick thoughts.

Although easy enough to build a mechanism for virtual fields within a 
field, would you be knee-capping many plugins that would know nothing about 
virtual fields?

I'm thinking it might be beneficial, instead, for every tiddler to have a 
matching data tiddler for an unlimited number of index fields that are all 
real/atomic.

That aside, how about fields actually be like data tiddlers?  i.e. each 
field that has virtual fields actually has a json structure ? So taking 
advantage of a native mechanism, just tweaking it to work with tiddler 
"data fields  à la JSON" instead of data tiddlers à la JSON.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:14:25 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Cj/Mario,
>
> The url is simply one example. I am looking to be able to provide a method 
> that any field can have additional supporting values. The idea that a 
> url/uri field may have an accompanying name or target field is a good 
> example of this.
>
> The idea would be to find a de facto standard and mechaisium to do this.
>
>
>- I will consider the methods in the use of  _canonical_uri
>
> On multiples, url/uri is BUT one example. In my own application I intend 
> also have a mechaisium to allow any fieldname-link (suffix -link) to 
> contain a URL and want to find a way to also give these name and target 
> values in the same tiddler. 
>
> But the same could be for other fields, for example 
>
>- Perhaps I could give the color field a color-name for 
>display/selection.
>- Or a list field a saved list field.
>
> Another method I have considered is an additional text field in a tiddler 
> that can contain dictionary or json entries supporting additional "virtual 
> fields".
>
> Thanks for considering this issues.
> Tones
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 02:35:53 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What about if you have multiple url resources for a tiddler?  Is that a 
>> flexibility you want?
>>
>> Or do you only ever want { 0:1 } url resource scenarios per tiddler?
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I have come across a "problem" for which I am investigating a solution, 
>>> and keen to hear any ideas. ultimately I hope this to provide a generic 
>>> solution for advanced field handling I would share back into the community.
>>>
>>> *Problem:*
>>>
>>> Consider we may like to have a field in one or more tiddlers to store a 
>>> url to an external resource for that tiddler.
>>>
>>> Field: url, Value: https://tiddlywiki.com/#cycle%20Operator
>>>
>>> The thing is what if we wanted to store a simplified name such as "Cycle 
>>> Operator" or a target for links such as _blank or "operators" there is no 
>>> where to specify the url/name and url/target. when we construct a link to 
>>> this URL it would be nice to find the name/target for this url 
>>> field/tiddler combination.
>>>
>>> In future I also want to have a discussion-link tiddler with matching 
>>> name and target, with even more similar fields.
>>>
>>> *Possible approach*
>>> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
>>> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
>>> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
>>> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
>>> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
>>> than I do?
>>>
>>> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; 
>>> "url_" meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>>>
>>> *More complex systematic approach*
>>> I could store in a data tiddler (For each tiddler) these additional 
>>> subfields, or even in a new special text field inside each tiddler.
>>>
>>> *A not so desirable approach*
>>> Build all the handling to allow the url field (in this case) actually be 
>>> the full http link or html  tag. The problem being one may need to code 
>>> and decode the content of the url field for every add or change, also if 
>>> one had dozens of different link fields it could get messy.
>>>
>>> Your Thoughts?
>>> Tones
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Mario,

Lets see if I can give you more. 

For Example 

   - I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
   containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go edit, 
   new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in the 
   wiki.


   - If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the 
  URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any 
  existing tiddler.
   - The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
   selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones 
   per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams 
   lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.

The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each 
tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.

I wonder;

   - Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to 
   make this easy to build?
   - Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover over 
   the title perhaps?

Thanks for contributing
Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As you 
> wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: "some 
> text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text into 
> the tiddler. 
>
> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>
> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>
> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Very random Javascript errors

[History Buff]

All,

Every once in a great while as I'm editing a tiddler, I get the javascript 
red window of death when I close the tiddler with changes. It seems to be 
very unpredictable. The tiddlers I'm editing are not JavaScript or macro 
tiddlers. Just plain text tiddlers with several custom fields. It happens 
so rarely that I have not been able to purposely replicate the issue or 
make any kind of correlations to what might be happening. Does anyone have 
any suggestions on how to debug such a problem? I have not tried to disable 
plugins one at a time yet, but I know that's one of the options. 

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: A basket on the sidebar

[Soren Bjornstad]

Here's a simple version. Put it in a tiddler called Basket and tag it 
$:/tags/SideBar:

\define apply-tag() <$list filter={{Basket!!list}}><$action-listops 
$tags="Basket"/>
\define clear-tag() <$list filter="[tag[Basket]]"><$action-listops 
$tags="-Basket"/><$action-setfield $tiddler="Basket" list=""/>
\define export-basket() <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-download-file" 
$param="$:/core/templates/exporters/JsonFile" exportFilter={{Basket!!list}} 
filename=<>/>

Basket (drag tiddlers here):

<>

<$button actions=<> tooltip="Add the 'Basket' tag to all items 
in the basket.">Apply tag
<>
<$button actions=<> tooltip="Export all the items in the 
basket to a JSON file.">Export JSON
<$button actions=<> tooltip="Remove the 'Basket' tag from all 
items and clear the basket list.">Empty basket

The list-links-draggable widget allows you to drag and drop tiddlers 
(putting this as a sidebar tab might make it a little hard to source 
tiddlers to drag though -- maybe better to put it somewhere else!). Those 
will be stored in the list field of the Basket tiddler. Then the "Apply 
Tag" button lets you tag each of those tiddlers, if you so desire. You can 
then drag and drop the tag into a different wiki to copy the tiddlers, or 
use the Export JSON button to export a JSON file. The empty button will 
remove the Basket tag from all tiddlers where it's used and clear out the 
list.

Opportunities for improvement:

   - It would be possible to roll something using the $dropzone widget that 
   would automatically add the tag and eliminate the need for the "Apply Tag" 
   step. I was feeling lazy and wanted to use list-links-draggable.
   - You might consider temporarily turning off timestamps while tagging 
   and untagging things so that they don't show up as modified just because 
   you were selecting them (not sure if there's a way to do that with an 
   action tiddler).
   - The interface here leaves something to be desired, but should be 
   functional.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:08:06 PM UTC-5 Atronoush wrote:

> Is there any script or plugin with
>
> - a sidebar tab (I call it basket)
> - drag and drop features! One can drag a tiddler (e.g title) into the 
> basket
> - when finished press a button to export as JSON
> - the button can be dragged and drop into another wiki!
>
> The last part is what you see in TW-Icons
>
>
> -Atro
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[TW Tones]

Cj/Mario,

The url is simply one example. I am looking to be able to provide a method 
that any field can have additional supporting values. The idea that a 
url/uri field may have an accompanying name or target field is a good 
example of this.

The idea would be to find a de facto standard and mechaisium to do this.


   - I will consider the methods in the use of  _canonical_uri

On multiples, url/uri is BUT one example. In my own application I intend 
also have a mechaisium to allow any fieldname-link (suffix -link) to 
contain a URL and want to find a way to also give these name and target 
values in the same tiddler. 

But the same could be for other fields, for example 

   - Perhaps I could give the color field a color-name for 
   display/selection.
   - Or a list field a saved list field.

Another method I have considered is an additional text field in a tiddler 
that can contain dictionary or json entries supporting additional "virtual 
fields".

Thanks for considering this issues.
Tones
On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 02:35:53 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> What about if you have multiple url resources for a tiddler?  Is that a 
> flexibility you want?
>
> Or do you only ever want { 0:1 } url resource scenarios per tiddler?
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have come across a "problem" for which I am investigating a solution, 
>> and keen to hear any ideas. ultimately I hope this to provide a generic 
>> solution for advanced field handling I would share back into the community.
>>
>> *Problem:*
>>
>> Consider we may like to have a field in one or more tiddlers to store a 
>> url to an external resource for that tiddler.
>>
>> Field: url, Value: https://tiddlywiki.com/#cycle%20Operator
>>
>> The thing is what if we wanted to store a simplified name such as "Cycle 
>> Operator" or a target for links such as _blank or "operators" there is no 
>> where to specify the url/name and url/target. when we construct a link to 
>> this URL it would be nice to find the name/target for this url 
>> field/tiddler combination.
>>
>> In future I also want to have a discussion-link tiddler with matching 
>> name and target, with even more similar fields.
>>
>> *Possible approach*
>> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
>> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
>> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
>> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
>> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
>> than I do?
>>
>> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; "url_" 
>> meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>>
>> *More complex systematic approach*
>> I could store in a data tiddler (For each tiddler) these additional 
>> subfields, or even in a new special text field inside each tiddler.
>>
>> *A not so desirable approach*
>> Build all the handling to allow the url field (in this case) actually be 
>> the full http link or html  tag. The problem being one may need to code 
>> and decode the content of the url field for every add or change, also if 
>> one had dozens of different link fields it could get messy.
>>
>> Your Thoughts?
>> Tones
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-7 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Are any of the mods able to look into why Xabriña's posts keep getting 
> deleted?
>

For some unknown reason, their posts keep getting flagged for mod approval, 
even though I keep approving them all with "allow future posts without 
moderation".
Maybe there's something odd with the attachment that causes Google to 
auto-delete them?

-e

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[tw5] filter to get tiddlers newer than a given date

[James Anderson]

Hello,

I've tried [all[tiddlers]get[modified]compare:date:gt[2021]] in advanced 
search but this seems to give me links to tiddlers named after modified 
field

eventually would like to do this in a plugin via $tw.wiki.filterTiddlers, 
is there a way to do this in the advanced search on the filters tab? If nto 
what is the best way to do this in a widget?


thanks,
James

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[tw5] Re: Charts.CSS

[TW Tones]

Ste,

Realtime graph updates would be great for teaching as interaction stands to 
provide deeper understanding.

Of course it will take deep subject knowledge and teaching skills to do it 
well, but it has the potential to really "sing". 

Thanks for your contributions.

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 03:55:22 UTC+10 Ste wrote:

> If the formula graphing plugin could be rolled in and updated as well! 
> https://stephenteacher.github.io/graph-tw5smallupdate/
>
> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 18:32:41 UTC+1 Stobot wrote:
>
>> I agree Mario - huge value in pure wikitext/css charts - twMat put a nice 
>> framework together!
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:22:31 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:20:17 PM UTC+1 Anjar wrote:
>>>
>>> I just discovered the CSS data visualization framework charts.css: 
 https://chartscss.org/ In short, you just add CSS to a table and get a 
 chart out of it. I know there already exist charting frameworks for 
 tiddlywiki, but charts.css looks very nice and simple
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, 
>>> Just re-discovered this post from your link 
>>>  
>>> at: Is there any way of using entire latex syntax inside TiddyWiki?
>>>
>>> I think, it's a very nice find. Similar to twMat's experiments at: 
>>> http://graphs.tiddlyspot.com/ which also uses wikitext and CSS only. 
>>>
>>> It seems their minified CSS is still 70kByte. ... We should ask twMat, 
>>> how much he needed. I think, the advantage with TW-native is it nicely 
>>> links to tiddlers. eg: Labels can contain links .. and so on. 
>>>
>>> I really think Graphs should get more attention, to bring it out of beta.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Soren Bjornstad]

Are any of the mods able to look into why Xabriña's posts keep getting 
deleted?

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 8:09:09 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Your snippet works for me, too. Can you export the tiddler you create as a 
> json file and attach that? It's possible you're getting some kind of weird 
> special character in there, and the JSON file will be an exact copy of your 
> tiddler without any issues introduced by copying and pasting.
>
> [image: ksnip_20210427-201022.png]
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Xabriña wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
>> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
>> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
>> be the problem.
>>
>> What I am trying to put is the following:
>>
>> <<<
>>
>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>> variable="is_match">
>><>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>> <<<
>>
>> And this is what appears to me:
>>
>>
>>`
>>  <<<   
>>
>> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>>> render as a block quote.
>>>
>>> /Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>>
 this is the text i'm trying to put

 <<<

 You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:

 ```
 <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
 <$list filter="[taghas]">
<$list filter="[getmatch]" 
 variable="is_match">
<>

 
 
 ```
 <<<

 El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
> what can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[morosanuae]

@Mat thanks! I'll leave the announcement for a while (not for a long time 
though) because I think this is a fairly important feature and it doesn't 
deserve to be missed. Anyway, you had a great idea!

@Mohammad I'm not sure how much more can take it though... As I said before 
I have a fast PC so the speed of the site it's not a problem for me, but 
maybe for other is (or it will become eventually).
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:45:30 PM UTC+3 Mat wrote:

> AND I note that...
>
>  *New!* Now you can drag the export button into your wiki to import the 
> selected icons more easily
>
> Morosanuae, your site iconic in itself!
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:23:57 PM UTC+2 morosanuae wrote:
>
>> A new version of *"TW Icons"* is available !!!
>>
>> *v1.9 *(https://morosanuae.github.io/tw-icons). Now with a total of *~46000 
>> icons* *(22 libraries)*. 
>>
>> *Features*: 
>>
>>- *4 new* libraries added: *"Dripicons", "Entypo+", "Octicons" *and* 
>>"Open Iconic"*.
>>
>> For more info, please checkout the "version history". 
>> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 12:10:32 AM UTC+3 Stobot wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I was vague @monosanuae, the comment was mostly related to 
>>> @Tones's call to talk about how they use them, etc. I was hoping to either:
>>> - Learn if there was a way to add a general CSS class that would 
>>> override the detail in the SVG, like stroke-width
>>> - Spur idea on expanding on the CSS against SVG concept. Think about how 
>>> there's one spot in settings where you can pick a font and font size. 
>>> Imagine there was ALSO a spot where you could change things like 
>>> stroke-width and colors for all "icons" - it kind of plays into themes etc. 
>>> I can get pretty close if I take only the SVG files with a stroke-width and 
>>> stroke-color parameter where I can use a text-reference, and then add a 
>>> settings area. 
>>>
>>> The suggestion to your creation was just that *if* there are other 
>>> people like me that want to consider the functionality then it might be 
>>> interesting to be able to browse by "feature" of the SVG. I may very well 
>>> be the only one in the world who thinks that's a neat idea, so was 
>>> interested to see if that went anywhere. 
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:53:42 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 moros...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TT I have nothing against your proposal. The problem is that I don't 
> know much about *GitHub Discussions*. I've enabled this feature but 
> don't really know what to do next. And as you guest it already I don't 
> have 
> much time to get very involved in this, although I'm very interested on 
> the 
> subject. So, a little help is needed.
>

 Tx!  I will post a discussion idea to 
 https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions in a few days when 
 I have more time (I know what it means to be too busy :-). 
 FWIW I found GitHub discussions generally very productive because they 
 tend to keep discussion well focused I think.

 Best wishes
 TT

>>>

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[tw5] gitea saver

[Adolfo Delorenzo]

Hello,

I am a huge fan of tiddlywiki and have been using this tool for more than 
10 years now. I am trying to use the gitea saver with no success. I add all 
the required info on the form and get a XMLHttpRequest 0 every time I try 
to save something.

I host a gitea server on docker and access is managed via 
Nginx-Proxy-Manager. My suspicion is CORS although I have enabled CORS on 
gitea.

I tried enabling CORS on the nginx-proxy-manager but that did seem to work 
also. 

If anyone could kindly point me to the right direction I am going to be 
eternally grateful. Thank you.

Regards,
Adolfo Delorenzo

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Oh no, not using node.js.  TiddlyWiki in GoogleDrive, with TiddlyDrive 
Add-on.

Yeah, so far at most three tiddlers, each exported individually, drag them 
individually into TiddlyWiki.com as a quick sanity test, then zip them up.

Mindless clicking away.  Probably not good for the finger knuckle (i.e. 
mouse-clicky-induced tendinitis of the finger knuckle.)  Mindlessness over 
tendinitis-fears any day.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:46:09 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:

>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:06 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> Truth be told, I was seriously buying in until "just open the 
>> $:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and then click export 
>> to JSON!"
>>
>> Yuck.
>>
>> I very much enjoy writing filters, but mindless clicking to ZIP only 
>> several tiddlers fits my personality better.
>>
>
> How do you do this? Are you using Node.JS? or you export tids one by one 
> and then zip them?
>
>
>> However, when I get into dozens of tiddlers, I will love advanced search 
>> to JSON export, and I will be then hugging you, virtually, quite 
>> furiously.  That's very good info to have in one's back-pocket.
>>
>
> ;-)
>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> I believe JSON is much better and I assume GG lets you attach them!
>>> I am sure you know export to json
>>> just open the $:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and 
>>> then click export to JSON!
>>> Add data and revision numbers as you like!
>>> On Sharing we can simply drag and drop to our wikis! no unzip required!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: action-delefield et json

[Jean-Pierre Rivière]

of course, I have installed json mangler and its necessary plugins as well. 
they work.

Le lundi 3 mai 2021 à 22:45:29 UTC+2, Jean-Pierre Rivière a écrit :

> I have  tiddler "data" of json data like 
>
> {
>   "foo": { ... },
>   "bar": { ... }
> }
>
> I want to get rid of "foo".
>
> so I have setup a $button where the action is
>
> <$action-deletefield $tiddler="data" $field="foo"/>
>
> the action does nothing (if I set an action-deletefield instead, it works 
> so the problem is just the deletefield widget).
>
> any idea?
>
>

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[tw5] A basket on the sidebar

[Atronoush Parsi]

Is there any script or plugin with

- a sidebar tab (I call it basket)
- drag and drop features! One can drag a tiddler (e.g title) into the basket
- when finished press a button to export as JSON
- the button can be dragged and drop into another wiki!

The last part is what you see in TW-Icons


-Atro

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[tw5] $action-create tiddler not overwriting tiddlers

[Jean-Pierre Rivière]

I have a tiddler $:/temp/project which exsts with its data, including some 
extra field.

I am asking a new $:/temp/project with less fields and do:

<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="$proto$" $overwrite=yes  fiel01=foo 
field02=bar/>

well' tge tiddler sill holds the old fields. the new fields are there with 
their new values.

have I set something wrong?

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[Mat]

AND I note that...

 *New!* Now you can drag the export button into your wiki to import the 
selected icons more easily

Morosanuae, your site iconic in itself!

<:-)


On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:23:57 PM UTC+2 morosanuae wrote:

> A new version of *"TW Icons"* is available !!!
>
> *v1.9 *(https://morosanuae.github.io/tw-icons). Now with a total of *~46000 
> icons* *(22 libraries)*. 
>
> *Features*: 
>
>- *4 new* libraries added: *"Dripicons", "Entypo+", "Octicons" *and* 
>"Open Iconic"*.
>
> For more info, please checkout the "version history". 
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 12:10:32 AM UTC+3 Stobot wrote:
>
>> Sorry I was vague @monosanuae, the comment was mostly related to @Tones's 
>> call to talk about how they use them, etc. I was hoping to either:
>> - Learn if there was a way to add a general CSS class that would override 
>> the detail in the SVG, like stroke-width
>> - Spur idea on expanding on the CSS against SVG concept. Think about how 
>> there's one spot in settings where you can pick a font and font size. 
>> Imagine there was ALSO a spot where you could change things like 
>> stroke-width and colors for all "icons" - it kind of plays into themes etc. 
>> I can get pretty close if I take only the SVG files with a stroke-width and 
>> stroke-color parameter where I can use a text-reference, and then add a 
>> settings area. 
>>
>> The suggestion to your creation was just that *if* there are other people 
>> like me that want to consider the functionality then it might be 
>> interesting to be able to browse by "feature" of the SVG. I may very well 
>> be the only one in the world who thinks that's a neat idea, so was 
>> interested to see if that went anywhere. 
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:53:42 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> moros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @TT I have nothing against your proposal. The problem is that I don't 
 know much about *GitHub Discussions*. I've enabled this feature but 
 don't really know what to do next. And as you guest it already I don't 
 have 
 much time to get very involved in this, although I'm very interested on 
 the 
 subject. So, a little help is needed.

>>>
>>> Tx!  I will post a discussion idea to 
>>> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions in a few days when I 
>>> have more time (I know what it means to be too busy :-). 
>>> FWIW I found GitHub discussions generally very productive because they 
>>> tend to keep discussion well focused I think.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>

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[tw5] action-delefield et json

[Jean-Pierre Rivière]

I have  tiddler "data" of json data like 

{
  "foo": { ... },
  "bar": { ... }
}

I want to get rid of "foo".

so I have setup a $button where the action is

<$action-deletefield $tiddler="data" $field="foo"/>

the action does nothing (if I set an action-deletefield instead, it works 
so the problem is just the deletefield widget).

any idea?

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Lovely! Thank you for sharing!
A big surprise is you have around *48000 *tiddlers in single file as big as *56
MB*
and it's quite speedy!

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:54 AM morosanuae  wrote:

> A new version of *"TW Icons"* is available !!!
>
> *v1.9 *(https://morosanuae.github.io/tw-icons). Now with a total of *~46000
> icons* *(22 libraries)*.
>
> *Features*:
>
>- *4 new* libraries added: *"Dripicons", "Entypo+", "Octicons" *and*
>"Open Iconic"*.
>
> For more info, please checkout the "version history".
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 12:10:32 AM UTC+3 Stobot wrote:
>
>> Sorry I was vague @monosanuae, the comment was mostly related to @Tones's
>> call to talk about how they use them, etc. I was hoping to either:
>> - Learn if there was a way to add a general CSS class that would override
>> the detail in the SVG, like stroke-width
>> - Spur idea on expanding on the CSS against SVG concept. Think about how
>> there's one spot in settings where you can pick a font and font size.
>> Imagine there was ALSO a spot where you could change things like
>> stroke-width and colors for all "icons" - it kind of plays into themes etc.
>> I can get pretty close if I take only the SVG files with a stroke-width and
>> stroke-color parameter where I can use a text-reference, and then add a
>> settings area.
>>
>> The suggestion to your creation was just that *if* there are other people
>> like me that want to consider the functionality then it might be
>> interesting to be able to browse by "feature" of the SVG. I may very well
>> be the only one in the world who thinks that's a neat idea, so was
>> interested to see if that went anywhere.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:53:42 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> moros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @TT I have nothing against your proposal. The problem is that I don't
 know much about *GitHub Discussions*. I've enabled this feature but
 don't really know what to do next. And as you guest it already I don't have
 much time to get very involved in this, although I'm very interested on the
 subject. So, a little help is needed.

>>>
>>> Tx!  I will post a discussion idea to
>>> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions in a few days when I
>>> have more time (I know what it means to be too busy :-).
>>> FWIW I found GitHub discussions generally very productive because they
>>> tend to keep discussion well focused I think.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[morosanuae]

 A new version of *"TW Icons"* is available !!!

*v1.9 *(https://morosanuae.github.io/tw-icons). Now with a total of *~46000 
icons* *(22 libraries)*. 

*Features*: 

   - *4 new* libraries added: *"Dripicons", "Entypo+", "Octicons" *and* 
   "Open Iconic"*.

For more info, please checkout the "version history". 
On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 12:10:32 AM UTC+3 Stobot wrote:

> Sorry I was vague @monosanuae, the comment was mostly related to @Tones's 
> call to talk about how they use them, etc. I was hoping to either:
> - Learn if there was a way to add a general CSS class that would override 
> the detail in the SVG, like stroke-width
> - Spur idea on expanding on the CSS against SVG concept. Think about how 
> there's one spot in settings where you can pick a font and font size. 
> Imagine there was ALSO a spot where you could change things like 
> stroke-width and colors for all "icons" - it kind of plays into themes etc. 
> I can get pretty close if I take only the SVG files with a stroke-width and 
> stroke-color parameter where I can use a text-reference, and then add a 
> settings area. 
>
> The suggestion to your creation was just that *if* there are other people 
> like me that want to consider the functionality then it might be 
> interesting to be able to browse by "feature" of the SVG. I may very well 
> be the only one in the world who thinks that's a neat idea, so was 
> interested to see if that went anywhere. 
>
> Thanks again!
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:53:42 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> moros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @TT I have nothing against your proposal. The problem is that I don't 
>>> know much about *GitHub Discussions*. I've enabled this feature but 
>>> don't really know what to do next. And as you guest it already I don't have 
>>> much time to get very involved in this, although I'm very interested on the 
>>> subject. So, a little help is needed.
>>>
>>
>> Tx!  I will post a discussion idea to 
>> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions in a few days when I 
>> have more time (I know what it means to be too busy :-). 
>> FWIW I found GitHub discussions generally very productive because they 
>> tend to keep discussion well focused I think.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:06 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Truth be told, I was seriously buying in until "just open the
> $:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and then click export
> to JSON!"
>
> Yuck.
>
> I very much enjoy writing filters, but mindless clicking to ZIP only
> several tiddlers fits my personality better.
>

How do you do this? Are you using Node.JS? or you export tids one by one
and then zip them?


> However, when I get into dozens of tiddlers, I will love advanced search
> to JSON export, and I will be then hugging you, virtually, quite
> furiously.  That's very good info to have in one's back-pocket.
>

;-)

>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> I believe JSON is much better and I assume GG lets you attach them!
>> I am sure you know export to json
>> just open the $:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and
>> then click export to JSON!
>> Add data and revision numbers as you like!
>> On Sharing we can simply drag and drop to our wikis! no unzip required!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Truth be told, I was seriously buying in until "just open the 
$:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and then click export 
to JSON!"

Yuck.

I very much enjoy writing filters, but mindless clicking to ZIP only 
several tiddlers fits my personality better.

However, when I get into dozens of tiddlers, I will love advanced search to 
JSON export, and I will be then hugging you, virtually, quite furiously.  
That's very good info to have in one's back-pocket.


On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:

> I believe JSON is much better and I assume GG lets you attach them!
> I am sure you know export to json
> just open the $:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and 
> then click export to JSON!
> Add data and revision numbers as you like!
> On Sharing we can simply drag and drop to our wikis! no unzip required!
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext img failing under node.js (5.1.23)

[Pumin Wuvanich]

Thanks Adithya (and to Saq) , this fix works great at least for now. 
On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:41:33 AM UTC+7 bmad...@gmail.com wrote:

> You have to change the "var uploadURL = '/api/upload';" to "var uploadURL 
> = 'api/upload';" in  
> $:/plugins/sq/ImportToExternalFile/startup.js tiddler in the latest version 
> of the plugin ( here: 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/import-to-external-file.html) 
>
> You can  make the edit yourself. Otherwise, I have also made a pull 
> request with this change - lets see.
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:34:36 PM UTC-6 wuva...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hello Adithya,
>>
>> May you please elaborate how to change uploadURL variable?  I need to do 
>> the same, and couldn't find it.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Pumin
>>
>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:32:35 AM UTC+7 bmad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Saq, 
>>>
>>> This plugin is very nice. Thanks for the contribution!
>>>
>>> It runs beautifully - I had to make a small change in the JS to make it 
>>> work on my TiddlyServer installation though!
>>>
>>> I changed "var uploadURL = '/api/upload';" to "var uploadURL = 
>>> 'api/upload';" Because the initial / was making it call the api on the home 
>>> directory instead of the subdirectory. Once I did that it worked perfectly!
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Adithya
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Mohammad Rahmani]

I believe JSON is much better and I assume GG lets you attach them!
I am sure you know export to json
just open the $:/AdvancedSearch and Filter what you want to export and then
click export to JSON!
Add data and revision numbers as you like!
On Sharing we can simply drag and drop to our wikis! no unzip required!




Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:30 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Nothing more than me just sticking with the familiar.  Export a few tids,
> ZIP them up (because Google Groups won't allow attaching a .tid), and
> attach.
>
> I have no opinion about exporting tid's to JSON.
>
> Bundling into ZIP's and naming the ZIP files with dates could help me keep
> track of versions of tid groupings, I suppose.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:50:32 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> Just for curiosity, is there any reason to use ZIP instead of JSON when
>> you share solutions?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:10 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>>>
>>> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Add Tiddler A Content
>>>   - This is the meat of it all
>>>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>>>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for
>>>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>>>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>>>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>>>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>>>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>>>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon,
>>>   later
>>>
>>>
>>> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever
>>> text in it.
>>>
>>> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what
>>> happens.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly
 burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...

 On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
>
> Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.
>
> No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content
> used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am 
> currently
> reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note 
> tiddler,
> along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start
> reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the
> content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.
>
> Blessings.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot 
> wrote:
>
>> G'day David,
>>
>> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean
>> you in the process ...
>>
>> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already
>> be a few replies.
>>
>> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might
>> be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content
>> of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are
>> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very
>> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however
>> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution
>> need.)
>>
>> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of
>> "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly
>> that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, 
>> wherever
>> your cursor is sitting?
>>
>> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical
>> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be
>> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>>
>> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the
>> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version
>> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one
>> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and
>>> Mohammad helped me. Thank you!
>>>
>>> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all
>>> might help me.
>>>
>>> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields,
>>> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete 
>>> in a
>>> 

Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Nothing more than me just sticking with the familiar.  Export a few tids, 
ZIP them up (because Google Groups won't allow attaching a .tid), and 
attach.

I have no opinion about exporting tid's to JSON.

Bundling into ZIP's and naming the ZIP files with dates could help me keep 
track of versions of tid groupings, I suppose.



On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:50:32 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
>
> Just for curiosity, is there any reason to use ZIP instead of JSON when 
> you share solutions?
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:10 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>>
>> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>>
>>
>>- Add Tiddler A Content
>>   - This is the meat of it all
>>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for 
>>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon, 
>>   later
>>
>>
>> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever 
>> text in it.
>>
>> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what 
>> happens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly 
>>> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 Hi Charlie, 

 Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.

 No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content 
 used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am 
 currently 
 reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note 
 tiddler, 
 along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start 
 reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the 
 content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.

 Blessings.




 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  
 wrote:

> G'day David,
>
> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean 
> you in the process ...
>
> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already 
> be a few replies.
>
> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might 
> be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content 
> of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
> need.)
>
> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of 
> "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly 
> that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, 
> wherever 
> your cursor is sitting?
>
> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>
> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
> it.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
>> helped me. Thank you!
>>
>> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all 
>> might help me. 
>>
>> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, 
>> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete 
>> in a 
>> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>>
>> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add 
>> the missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the 
>> missing 
>> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>>
>> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific 
>> tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added 
>> to 
>> a custom field of the new 

Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Charlie,

Just for curiosity, is there any reason to use ZIP instead of JSON when you
share solutions?

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:10 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>
> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>
>
>- Add Tiddler A Content
>   - This is the meat of it all
>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for
>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon, later
>
>
> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever
> text in it.
>
> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what
> happens.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly
>> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>
>>> Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.
>>>
>>> No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content
>>> used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently
>>> reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler,
>>> along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start
>>> reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the
>>> content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>>>
 G'day David,

 RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean
 you in the process ...

 By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be
 a few replies.

 Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might
 be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content
 of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are
 editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very
 moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however
 else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution
 need.)

 When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of
 "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly
 that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever
 your cursor is sitting?

 Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical
 snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be
 individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?

 That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the
 "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version
 would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one
 tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need
 it.



 On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad
> helped me. Thank you!
>
> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all
> might help me.
>
> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields,
> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in 
> a
> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>
> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add
> the missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing
> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>
> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific
> tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to
> a custom field of the new tiddler. The key component was
> customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that
> in an editortoolbar button with no success. How could I grab the text of
> [[Current chapter]] and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it
> into tiddlers? (as text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want
> what is pasted to change when I change the text of Current chapter later 
> on)
>
> <$action-sendmessage
> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
> $param="wrap-selection"
> prefix=""
> suffix=""
> />

[tw5] Re: Custom sort order

[Soren Bjornstad]

Sorry, there's a typo in that macro, should be:

\define myfilt() [all[current]split[ ]first[]match[SP]then[010]] 
[all[current]split[ ]first[]match[SC]then[020]] [all[current]split[ 
]first[]match[ER]then[030]]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:30:56 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Here's a solution using sortsub, which sorts based on a key obtained by 
> running a filter against each input item.  This assumes your prefixes are 
> separated from the rest of the tiddler title by a space. If not, you may 
> have to change the split character or get a bit more creative:
>
> \define myfilt() [all[current]split[ ]first[]match[SP]then[010] 
> [all[current]split[ ]first[]match[SC]then[020]] [all[current]split[ 
> ]first[]match[ER]then[030]]
>
> <]">>
>
> The subfilter in myfilt uses a series of runs to convert each prefix into 
> a numerical value which sorts in the order you want. You can add as many 
> steps to the filter as you need to handle all your prefixes. Any items that 
> don't have a prefix listed in the filter will get no sort key and so show 
> up at the top of the list.
>
> I am sure you could get creative and figure out how to store the mapping 
> in a data tiddler and dynamically build the filter, but I'll let someone 
> else figure that out if they're so inclined.
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:05:12 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:48:41 AM UTC+2 Max Rozeman wrote:
>>
>>> Well it looks like this isn't as simple as I had hoped. Maybe what I 
>>> need is a macro, but that's a skill I've yet to learn. For the time being 
>>> then I'll just have to sort my titles the easy and messy way by adding 
>>> prefixes to my prefixes.
>>>
>>
>> You are right. My code doesn't work as expected. ... I did very poor 
>> testing, so it looked like it would have worked. ... :/ Sorry for that. 
>>
>> But the sortby operator needs "matching titles" it doesn't use regexp 
>> matches internally, which would have been needed for your usecase. 
>>
>> So imo there won't be a "out of the box" solution. ... At least I don't 
>> know it. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Custom sort order

[Soren Bjornstad]

Here's a solution using sortsub, which sorts based on a key obtained by 
running a filter against each input item.  This assumes your prefixes are 
separated from the rest of the tiddler title by a space. If not, you may 
have to change the split character or get a bit more creative:

\define myfilt() [all[current]split[ ]first[]match[SP]then[010] 
[all[current]split[ ]first[]match[SC]then[020]] [all[current]split[ 
]first[]match[ER]then[030]]

<]">>

The subfilter in myfilt uses a series of runs to convert each prefix into a 
numerical value which sorts in the order you want. You can add as many 
steps to the filter as you need to handle all your prefixes. Any items that 
don't have a prefix listed in the filter will get no sort key and so show 
up at the top of the list.

I am sure you could get creative and figure out how to store the mapping in 
a data tiddler and dynamically build the filter, but I'll let someone else 
figure that out if they're so inclined.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:05:12 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:48:41 AM UTC+2 Max Rozeman wrote:
>
>> Well it looks like this isn't as simple as I had hoped. Maybe what I need 
>> is a macro, but that's a skill I've yet to learn. For the time being then 
>> I'll just have to sort my titles the easy and messy way by adding prefixes 
>> to my prefixes.
>>
>
> You are right. My code doesn't work as expected. ... I did very poor 
> testing, so it looked like it would have worked. ... :/ Sorry for that. 
>
> But the sortby operator needs "matching titles" it doesn't use regexp 
> matches internally, which would have been needed for your usecase. 
>
> So imo there won't be a "out of the box" solution. ... At least I don't 
> know it. 
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Charts.CSS

[Ste]

If the formula graphing plugin could be rolled in and updated as well! 
https://stephenteacher.github.io/graph-tw5smallupdate/

On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 18:32:41 UTC+1 Stobot wrote:

> I agree Mario - huge value in pure wikitext/css charts - twMat put a nice 
> framework together!
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:22:31 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:20:17 PM UTC+1 Anjar wrote:
>>
>> I just discovered the CSS data visualization framework charts.css: 
>>> https://chartscss.org/ In short, you just add CSS to a table and get a 
>>> chart out of it. I know there already exist charting frameworks for 
>>> tiddlywiki, but charts.css looks very nice and simple
>>
>>
>> Hi, 
>> Just re-discovered this post from your link 
>>  
>> at: Is there any way of using entire latex syntax inside TiddyWiki?
>>
>> I think, it's a very nice find. Similar to twMat's experiments at: 
>> http://graphs.tiddlyspot.com/ which also uses wikitext and CSS only. 
>>
>> It seems their minified CSS is still 70kByte. ... We should ask twMat, 
>> how much he needed. I think, the advantage with TW-native is it nicely 
>> links to tiddlers. eg: Labels can contain links .. and so on. 
>>
>> I really think Graphs should get more attention, to bring it out of beta.
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Identifying problems/needs/requirements/solutions is always a thing in 
motion, incremental/iterative ball-park "that's it" steps towards that 
perfect target.

Like flinging spaghetti at a wall.

Fiddle with it, and keep coming back here every time something becomes 
clear, or muddy, and some technical adjustments need to happen.

Always keep in mind, anything anybody throws out you is a 
"is-this-what-you-mean" step which may be totally not what you mean, which 
either way means we are all (you too) getting closer to what you mean.  
Which is fun stuff for this kid.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:46:32 PM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Charlie, thanks for the solution! It is different from what I imagined 
> but is an acceptable workaround for me. I juggled a few things (the 
> "Tiddler A" content is now an entire line of text, of which the link to the 
> current chapter is only the middle part), and I changed an edit-text input 
> to a textarea to accommodate the longer text. So this will work for me. 
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>>
>> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>>
>>
>>- Add Tiddler A Content
>>   - This is the meat of it all
>>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for 
>>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon, 
>>   later
>>
>>
>> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever 
>> text in it.
>>
>> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what 
>> happens.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly 
>>> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 Hi Charlie, 

 Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.

 No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content 
 used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am 
 currently 
 reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note 
 tiddler, 
 along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start 
 reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the 
 content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.

 Blessings.




 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  
 wrote:

> G'day David,
>
> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean 
> you in the process ...
>
> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already 
> be a few replies.
>
> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might 
> be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content 
> of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
> need.)
>
> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of 
> "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly 
> that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, 
> wherever 
> your cursor is sitting?
>
> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>
> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
> it.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
>> helped me. Thank you!
>>
>> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all 
>> might help me. 
>>
>> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, 
>> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete 

[tw5] Monospaced block inside a quoted text?-2

[Xabriña]

Hi, sorry for creating this new thread but in the old one 
(https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/2kDTg0gbKrY/m/zYV8okE9AgAJ) I 
can't post anything. In the beginning he lets me publish but when I go to 
see what was published he tells me that the message has been deleted.
I hope this time it works.
I enclose the file in .json format.

Thanks for everything.

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Description: application/7z-compressed

[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

[{"created":"202101010","creator":"Manu","text":"Respuesta a la 
pregunta en los foros de Tiddlywiki de como conseguir una lista de tiddlers 
con campos que tengan un valor concreto.\n\n* ''st...@sunypoly.edu'' 18 abr 
2020 5:59:44 a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nHow do I get a list of tiddlers 
with a field that has a specified value.\nI have TiddlerA with tag 
''howdy'' with field ''special'' with value ''Yes''\n\nI do:\n\n`<$vars 
tagName=\"howdy\" fieldName=\"special\" fieldValue=\"Yes\">`\n\n`<$list 
filter=\"[tag]\">` works, but I can't figure out how to put 
`` and then `` into the 
filter.\n\nThanks!\n\nsteve.\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n*''Eric Shulman'' 18 abr 
2020 6:52:47 a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nYou can use two nested `$list` 
widgets, like this:\n\n\n```\n<$vars tagName=\"howdy\" 
fieldName=\"special\" fieldValue=\"Yes\">\n<$list 
filter=\"[taghas]\">\n   <$list 
filter=\"[getmatch]\" 
variable=\"is_match\">\n   <>\n   
\n\n\n```\n\n\nThe outer `$list` widget finds all 
tiddlers tagged with `<>` that have a field named 
`<>`.\nThe inner `$list` widget tests each tiddler to see if the 
value of the fieldName matches the `<>`.\nThen, for each 
tiddler with a matching value, it does something (in the above example, it 
just displays the name of the 
tiddler)\n\nenjoy,\n-e\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n*''TW Tones'' 18 abr 2020 7:04:31 
a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nEric,\n\nthis is no doubt the way I would do it, 
but I had a thought, Something like this should work in a single 
list;\n\n`[tag]`\n\nOr 
\n\n`[tag[howdy]special[Yes]]`\n\nWhat do you 
think?\n\nTony\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","title":"New Tiddler 
3","tags":"","modifier":"Manu","modified":"20210428074228558"}]



I feel the delay in answering. I don't know why but every time I have tried 
to send the .json file it tells me that it has been published but then it 
appears as a deleted message. I honestly don't know what happens ...
I send the complete content of the json file in text format, I hope it 
arrives well.

Thanks for everything.
El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 3:09:09 UTC+2, Soren Bjornstad 
escribió:

> Your snippet works for me, too. Can you export the tiddler you create as a 
> json file and attach that? It's possible you're getting some kind of weird 
> special character in there, and the JSON file will be an exact copy of your 
> tiddler without any issues introduced by copying and pasting.
>
> [image: ksnip_20210427-201022.png]
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Xabriña wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
>> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
>> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
>> be the problem.
>>
>> What I am trying to put is the following:
>>
>> <<<
>>
>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>> variable="is_match">
>><>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>> <<<
>>
>> And this is what appears to me:
>>
>>
>>`
>>  <<<   
>>
>> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>>> render as a block quote.
>>>
>>> /Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>>
 this is the text i'm trying to put

 <<<

 You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:

 ```
 <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
 <$list filter="[taghas]">
<$list filter="[getmatch]" 
 variable="is_match">
<>

 
 
 ```
 <<<

 El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
> what can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>


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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

I feel the delay in answering. I don't know why but every time I have tried 
to send the .json file it tells me that it has been published but then it 
appears as a deleted message. I honestly don't know what happens ...
I send the complete content of the json file in text format, I hope it 
arrives well.

Thanks for everything.

+
[{"created":"202101010","creator":"Manu","text":"Respuesta a la 
pregunta en los foros de Tiddlywiki de como conseguir una lista de tiddlers 
con campos que tengan un valor concreto.\n\n* ''st...@sunypoly.edu'' 18 abr 
2020 5:59:44 a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nHow do I get a list of tiddlers 
with a field that has a specified value.\nI have TiddlerA with tag 
''howdy'' with field ''special'' with value ''Yes''\n\nI do:\n\n`<$vars 
tagName=\"howdy\" fieldName=\"special\" fieldValue=\"Yes\">`\n\n`<$list 
filter=\"[tag]\">` works, but I can't figure out how to put 
`` and then `` into the 
filter.\n\nThanks!\n\nsteve.\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n*''Eric Shulman'' 18 abr 
2020 6:52:47 a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nYou can use two nested `$list` 
widgets, like this:\n\n\n```\n<$vars tagName=\"howdy\" 
fieldName=\"special\" fieldValue=\"Yes\">\n<$list 
filter=\"[taghas]\">\n   <$list 
filter=\"[getmatch]\" 
variable=\"is_match\">\n   <>\n  
 \n\n\n```\n\n\nThe outer `$list` widget finds all 
tiddlers tagged with `<>` that have a field named 
`<>`.\nThe inner `$list` widget tests each tiddler to see if the 
value of the fieldName matches the `<>`.\nThen, for each 
tiddler with a matching value, it does something (in the above example, it 
just displays the name of the 
tiddler)\n\nenjoy,\n-e\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n*''TW Tones'' 18 abr 2020 7:04:31 
a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nEric,\n\nthis is no doubt the way I would do it, 
but I had a thought, Something like this should work in a single 
list;\n\n`[tag]`\n\nOr 
\n\n`[tag[howdy]special[Yes]]`\n\nWhat do you 
think?\n\nTony\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","title":"New Tiddler 
3","tags":"","modifier":"Manu","modified":"20210428074228558"}]


El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 3:09:09 UTC+2, Soren Bjornstad 
escribió:

> Your snippet works for me, too. Can you export the tiddler you create as a 
> json file and attach that? It's possible you're getting some kind of weird 
> special character in there, and the JSON file will be an exact copy of your 
> tiddler without any issues introduced by copying and pasting.
>
> [image: ksnip_20210427-201022.png]
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Xabriña wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
>> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
>> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
>> be the problem.
>>
>> What I am trying to put is the following:
>>
>> <<<
>>
>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>> variable="is_match">
>><>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>> <<<
>>
>> And this is what appears to me:
>>
>>
>>`
>>  <<<   
>>
>> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>>> render as a block quote.
>>>
>>> /Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>>
 this is the text i'm trying to put

 <<<

 You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:

 ```
 <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
 <$list filter="[taghas]">
<$list filter="[getmatch]" 
 variable="is_match">
<>

 
 
 ```
 <<<

 El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
> what can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>


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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

Hello, sorry for the delay in answering but I can't publish anything. Every 
time I post something I am going to see the message and it appears to me 
that the message has been deleted.

I've already tried about ten times but I can't, the message always gets 
deleted. I don't think I have modified anything that has to do with Google 
groups.

Has this ever happened to anyone? And why was it happening to you?

Thanks for everything.

El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 3:09:09 UTC+2, Soren Bjornstad 
escribió:

> Your snippet works for me, too. Can you export the tiddler you create as a 
> json file and attach that? It's possible you're getting some kind of weird 
> special character in there, and the JSON file will be an exact copy of your 
> tiddler without any issues introduced by copying and pasting.
>
> [image: ksnip_20210427-201022.png]
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Xabriña wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
>> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
>> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
>> be the problem.
>>
>> What I am trying to put is the following:
>>
>> <<<
>>
>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>> variable="is_match">
>><>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>> <<<
>>
>> And this is what appears to me:
>>
>>
>>`
>>  <<<   
>>
>> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>>> render as a block quote.
>>>
>>> /Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>>
 this is the text i'm trying to put

 <<<

 You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:

 ```
 <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
 <$list filter="[taghas]">
<$list filter="[getmatch]" 
 variable="is_match">
<>

 
 
 ```
 <<<

 El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
> what can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>


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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

Hello, sorry for the delay in answering but I can't publish anything. Every 
time I post something I am going to see the message and it appears to me 
that the message has been deleted.
I hope this time it works.
I enclose the file in .json format.

Thanks for everything.

El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 1:37:48 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
> be the problem.
>
> What I am trying to put is the following:
>
> <<<
>
> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>
> ```
> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
> <$list filter="[taghas]">
><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
> variable="is_match">
><>
>
> 
> 
> ```
> <<<
>
> And this is what appears to me:
>
>
>`
>  <<<   
>
> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
> escribió:
>
>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>> render as a block quote.
>>
>> /Mike
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>
>>> this is the text i'm trying to put
>>>
>>> <<<
>>>
>>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>>> variable="is_match">
>>><>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ```
>>> <<<
>>>
>>> El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:
>>>
 Hello everybody.

 I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
 what can be done.
 I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
 formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
 text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
 can't be done?

 Thank you so much.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

Hello, sorry for the delay in answering but I can't publish anything. Every 
time I post something I am going to see the message and it appears to me 
that the message has been deleted.

I've already tried about ten times but I can't, the message always gets 
deleted. I don't think I have modified anything that has to do with Google 
groups.

Has this ever happened to anyone? And why was it happening to you?

Thanks for everything.

El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure what 
> can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>

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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

I feel the delay in answering. I don't know why but every time I have tried 
to send the .json file it tells me that it has been published but then it 
appears as a deleted message. I honestly don't know what happens ...
I send the complete content of the json file in text format, I hope it 
arrives well.

Thanks for everything.

+
[{"created":"202101010","creator":"Manu","text":"Respuesta a la 
pregunta en los foros de Tiddlywiki de como conseguir una lista de tiddlers 
con campos que tengan un valor concreto.\n\n* ''st...@sunypoly.edu'' 18 abr 
2020 5:59:44 a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nHow do I get a list of tiddlers 
with a field that has a specified value.\nI have TiddlerA with tag 
''howdy'' with field ''special'' with value ''Yes''\n\nI do:\n\n`<$vars 
tagName=\"howdy\" fieldName=\"special\" fieldValue=\"Yes\">`\n\n`<$list 
filter=\"[tag]\">` works, but I can't figure out how to put 
`` and then `` into the 
filter.\n\nThanks!\n\nsteve.\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n*''Eric Shulman'' 18 abr 
2020 6:52:47 a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nYou can use two nested `$list` 
widgets, like this:\n\n\n```\n<$vars tagName=\"howdy\" 
fieldName=\"special\" fieldValue=\"Yes\">\n<$list 
filter=\"[taghas]\">\n   <$list 
filter=\"[getmatch]\" 
variable=\"is_match\">\n   <>\n   
\n\n\n```\n\n\nThe outer `$list` widget finds all 
tiddlers tagged with `<>` that have a field named 
`<>`.\nThe inner `$list` widget tests each tiddler to see if the 
value of the fieldName matches the `<>`.\nThen, for each 
tiddler with a matching value, it does something (in the above example, it 
just displays the name of the 
tiddler)\n\nenjoy,\n-e\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n*''TW Tones'' 18 abr 2020 7:04:31 
a TiddlyWiki \n\n<<<\n\nEric,\n\nthis is no doubt the way I would do it, 
but I had a thought, Something like this should work in a single 
list;\n\n`[tag]`\n\nOr 
\n\n`[tag[howdy]special[Yes]]`\n\nWhat do you 
think?\n\nTony\n\n<<<\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","title":"New Tiddler 
3","tags":"","modifier":"Manu","modified":"20210428074228558"}]
++


El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 3:09:09 UTC+2, Soren Bjornstad 
escribió:

> Your snippet works for me, too. Can you export the tiddler you create as a 
> json file and attach that? It's possible you're getting some kind of weird 
> special character in there, and the JSON file will be an exact copy of your 
> tiddler without any issues introduced by copying and pasting.
>
> [image: ksnip_20210427-201022.png]
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Xabriña wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
>> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
>> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
>> be the problem.
>>
>> What I am trying to put is the following:
>>
>> <<<
>>
>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>> variable="is_match">
>><>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>> <<<
>>
>> And this is what appears to me:
>>
>>
>>`
>>  <<<   
>>
>> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>>> render as a block quote.
>>>
>>> /Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>>
 this is the text i'm trying to put

 <<<

 You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:

 ```
 <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
 <$list filter="[taghas]">
<$list filter="[getmatch]" 
 variable="is_match">
<>

 
 
 ```
 <<<

 El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
> what can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>


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[tw5] Re: Monospaced block inside a quoted text?

[Xabriña]

Of course Soren, here you have it.

Thanks.

El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 3:09:09 UTC+2, Soren Bjornstad 
escribió:

> Your snippet works for me, too. Can you export the tiddler you create as a 
> json file and attach that? It's possible you're getting some kind of weird 
> special character in there, and the JSON file will be an exact copy of your 
> tiddler without any issues introduced by copying and pasting.
>
> [image: ksnip_20210427-201022.png]
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Xabriña wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't know what happens. I also get it correctly in the online 
>> version of Tiddlywiki, but in the installation that I have on the laptop it 
>> doesn't work. I have to say that I use Bob.exe, I don't know if that will 
>> be the problem.
>>
>> What I am trying to put is the following:
>>
>> <<<
>>
>> You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
>> <$list filter="[taghas]">
>><$list filter="[getmatch]" 
>> variable="is_match">
>><>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>> <<<
>>
>> And this is what appears to me:
>>
>>
>>`
>>  <<<   
>>
>> El miércoles, 28 de abril de 2021 a las 0:20:42 UTC+2, mwik...@gmail.com 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> This seems to work fine unless you have some text in the line 
>>> *immediately* above the <<<. Then everything gets mis-parsed (I think that 
>>> it has something to do with rendering inline vs block). If you leave and at 
>>> least one empty line (with absolutely no spaces) just before <<<, it should 
>>> render as a block quote.
>>>
>>> /Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:22:35 PM UTC-3 Xabriña wrote:
>>>
 this is the text i'm trying to put

 <<<

 You can use two nested `$list` widgets, like this:

 ```
 <$vars tagName="howdy" fieldName="special" fieldValue="Yes">
 <$list filter="[taghas]">
<$list filter="[getmatch]" 
 variable="is_match">
<>

 
 
 ```
 <<<

 El martes, 27 de abril de 2021 a las 21:11:19 UTC+2, Xabriña escribió:

> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to do one thing but I am not successful and I am not sure 
> what can be done.
> I try to put a text in monospaced block formating inside a quoted text 
> formating but I can't get it to work. I have just disappeared part of the 
> text of the tiddler. Is there any way that this works or is it that it 
> can't be done?
>
> Thank you so much.
>


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[tw5] Re: Charts.CSS

[Stobot]

I agree Mario - huge value in pure wikitext/css charts - twMat put a nice 
framework together!

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:22:31 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:20:17 PM UTC+1 Anjar wrote:
>
> I just discovered the CSS data visualization framework charts.css: 
>> https://chartscss.org/ In short, you just add CSS to a table and get a 
>> chart out of it. I know there already exist charting frameworks for 
>> tiddlywiki, but charts.css looks very nice and simple
>
>
> Hi, 
> Just re-discovered this post from your link 
>  at: Is 
> there any way of using entire latex syntax inside TiddyWiki?
>
> I think, it's a very nice find. Similar to twMat's experiments at: 
> http://graphs.tiddlyspot.com/ which also uses wikitext and CSS only. 
>
> It seems their minified CSS is still 70kByte. ... We should ask twMat, how 
> much he needed. I think, the advantage with TW-native is it nicely links 
> to tiddlers. eg: Labels can contain links .. and so on. 
>
> I really think Graphs should get more attention, to bring it out of beta.
>
> -mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Default Tiddler Configuration

[Jax Kovak]

An Update:

For some reason the New here button does not show up, this is what was 
throwing me off. However, having edited the code from:
*match[yes]]* to 
*prefix[yes]]*
and
*match[yes]]* to 
*prefix[yes]]*
I managed to get the button to show up (No, I have no idea why this worked 
but this is what I have on my own custom buttons), however, this still only 
opened the new Tiddler with the correct name but empty body text, 
regardless of editing the NewTiddler Template.

So that is where I have reached. I can get the button, I can get the new 
Tiddler to accept the name that was clicked (The Empty Tiddler link), but I 
cant get any content into that new Tiddler!

Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Regards

JK


On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:30:42 UTC+1 Jax Kovak wrote:

> PMario my apologies! I did not see your post!
>
> However, I have downloaded and imported "NewHere-using-a-template.json" 
> but I cant seem to get it to work. The import went okay and I restarted the 
> Wiki but I still have the default empty Tiddler when I click a link that 
> does not exist yet. Am I missing something?
>
> Regards
>
> JK
>
> On Sunday, 2 May 2021 at 23:17:09 UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm sure Jax saw your suggestion, but I can feel his pain.
>>
>> Myself, I am very passionate about reducing 
>> mouse-clicky-induced-tendinitis o' the finger knuckle.  We are going to 
>> have generations of people who just can't poke their significant others in 
>> the forehead when these significant others deserve a finger-poke in the 
>> forehead.
>>
>> But seriously, distraction-free clickless rock'n rolling when the words 
>> and thoughts are flowing like a torential river, that's a pretty wonderful 
>> thing.
>>
>> A bit like CamelCase.  I'm no fan, but when one just wants to quickly 
>> write, avoiding them brackets is a good thing.
>>
>> So I can appreciate wanting to squeeze out every drop of efficiency.
>>
>> Probably a little odd coming from me, because mindless 
>> clicking/distractions give me time to process the thoughts into a little 
>> bit of coherence.  Yeah, I'm a little bit granola, liking the time to smell 
>> the flowers.
>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-3 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 2:04:33 PM UTC+2 isd196...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 So, it's looking very much like the buttons are the only way to go with 
 this. Shame, but I already have a couple of custom buttons so its not 
 exactly a hardship, Id just rather be able to type as normal, save that 
 Tiddler and then immediately click on a link to a non-existent tiddler and 
 carry on. Oh well.

>>>
>>> Did you see my suggestion? You can click on the link of a missing 
>>> tiddler, which opens it ... 1st click. 
>>> You click the "edit button" ... 2nd click ... done
>>>
>>> What's wrong with that? I'm sure that 1 more click will not cost you 
>>> more than half a second in your workflow. ... 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Export to html while excluding some transclusions

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Louis

If you're running under Node.js, you could setup two separate wiki folders, one 
"private" and one "public". Then the private wiki can use the "includeWiki" 
property to include the tiddlers from the public wiki. When exporting the 
public content, you'd reference the public wiki, thus excluding all the private 
content.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> Hi, 
> 
> I'm wondering if the following is possible either in the base wiki or with a 
> plugin.
> 
> Say I have a tag 'Public'. I want to export all tiddlers and only those 
> tiddlers with the tag 'Public'. Simple enough with filter [tag[Public]]. But 
> say some of the 'Public' tiddlers have 
> transclusions of tiddlers that do not have the 'Public' tag. In my html 
> output I don't want the content of the transclusions included unless 
> transclused tiddler also has the 'Public' tag.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Example
> topic1 with tag Public
> start
> 
> {{topic2}}
> 
> {{topic3}}
> 
> end
> 
> topic2 without tag Public
> private
> 
> topic3 with tag Public
> show me
> 
> the desired html output
> start
> 
> show me
> 
> end
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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Hi Charlie, thanks for the solution! It is different from what I imagined 
but is an acceptable workaround for me. I juggled a few things (the 
"Tiddler A" content is now an entire line of text, of which the link to the 
current chapter is only the middle part), and I changed an edit-text input 
to a textarea to accommodate the longer text. So this will work for me. 
Thanks!

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, here's a very rough prototype.
>
> You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:
>
>
>- Add Tiddler A Content
>   - This is the meat of it all
>   - This specifies the actions for the button
>   - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for 
>   the actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
>- Add Tiddler A Content Image
>   - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
>   - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
>   - Good enough for testing purposes
>   - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon, later
>
>
> You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever 
> text in it.
>
> Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what 
> happens.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly 
>> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Charlie, 
>>>
>>> Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.
>>>
>>> No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content 
>>> used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently 
>>> reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler, 
>>> along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start 
>>> reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the 
>>> content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>>>
 G'day David,

 RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean 
 you in the process ...

 By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be 
 a few replies.

 Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might 
 be editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content 
 of that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
 editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
 moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
 else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
 need.)

 When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of 
 "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly 
 that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever 
 your cursor is sitting?

 Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
 snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
 individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?

 That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
 "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
 would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
 tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
 it.



 On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
> helped me. Thank you!
>
> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all 
> might help me. 
>
> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, 
> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in 
> a 
> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>
> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add 
> the missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the 
> missing 
> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>
> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific 
> tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added 
> to 
> a custom field of the new tiddler. The key component was 
> customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that 
> in an editortoolbar button with no success. How could I grab the text of 
> [[Current chapter]] and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it 
> into 

[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[Charlie Veniot]

What about if you have multiple url resources for a tiddler?  Is that a 
flexibility you want?

Or do you only ever want { 0:1 } url resource scenarios per tiddler?

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:35:10 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have come across a "problem" for which I am investigating a solution, 
> and keen to hear any ideas. ultimately I hope this to provide a generic 
> solution for advanced field handling I would share back into the community.
>
> *Problem:*
>
> Consider we may like to have a field in one or more tiddlers to store a 
> url to an external resource for that tiddler.
>
> Field: url, Value: https://tiddlywiki.com/#cycle%20Operator
>
> The thing is what if we wanted to store a simplified name such as "Cycle 
> Operator" or a target for links such as _blank or "operators" there is no 
> where to specify the url/name and url/target. when we construct a link to 
> this URL it would be nice to find the name/target for this url 
> field/tiddler combination.
>
> In future I also want to have a discussion-link tiddler with matching name 
> and target, with even more similar fields.
>
> *Possible approach*
> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
> than I do?
>
> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; "url_" 
> meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>
> *More complex systematic approach*
> I could store in a data tiddler (For each tiddler) these additional 
> subfields, or even in a new special text field inside each tiddler.
>
> *A not so desirable approach*
> Build all the handling to allow the url field (in this case) actually be 
> the full http link or html  tag. The problem being one may need to code 
> and decode the content of the url field for every add or change, also if 
> one had dozens of different link fields it could get messy.
>
> Your Thoughts?
> Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

Just a design thought for you.

A "Drop-Zone Bar"  (containing a bunch of ideally-sized drop zones for each 
purpose), part of tiddler titles area (just under the title and ViewToolbar 
buttons) so that the "Sticky titles" = YES keeps the drop-zone visible for 
long tiddlers.

Although, I don't have time to collaborate on this puppy, everything about 
it is now percolating in the back of me sponge.

I may have no choice but to scratch that itch with a proof of concept when 
I can find some downtime.

Damn it, why must *everything* be interesting to me ...

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> As a long term TiddlyWiki super user a reoccurring need for me is to 
> automate interactions with tiddlers a little more. Specifically I would 
> like a drop zone on tiddlers that can ether interrogate the content of what 
> is being dropped or can have a number of different drop zones within it. I 
> will explain this a little further below;
>
> However the biggest challenge seems to be finding a space on the screen or 
> method so  dropping content will not interfere with the display content in 
> the tiddler. I have made buttons on which you can drop content, but I am 
> looking to find a space where this can be done.
>
> Some Ideas;
>
>- Personally I use the "Fluid Story, Fixed Side Bar a lot, perhaps an 
>area we could toggle on or off could appear to the right of open tiddlers 
>as a tiddler drop zone.
>- I have seen a solution that uses a vertical Right or left hand bar 
>inside tiddlers as an active element. Perhaps this could accept drops
>- Perhaps we could put a tiddler in a drop receptive mode with an 
>overlay that accepts dropping.
>
> Why allow more to be dropped on a tiddler?
> Tiddler often refer to other tiddlers, use fields to contain urls, or 
> emails, phone number; and tags similarly. The ability to drop content from 
> elsewhere in the wiki or external addresses and content on specific 
> tiddlers rather than the wiki (import) would make a lot of since.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> Do you have the skills to update the view or tiddler templates to provide 
> a functioonal drop zone per tiddler (permanent or toggle)?
>
> I would love to hear from you!
>
> I am keen to collaborate, Except for the drop zone I thing I have all the 
> code patterns I need.
>
> Tones
>

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Re: [tw5] Macros: A very (VERY!) basic introduction

[Charlie Veniot]

Arg, spoiler alert ?

Global macros are part of a future "odds and ends" tutorial, likely mixed 
in with "single line" macros (i.e. just "define", no "end", no sandwich).



On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-3 rayv...@gmail.com wrote:

> GREAT!! Thanks!!! THIS is what we need! Please continue!! One tip: if you 
> create a tiddler called Indent, put your macro in that tiddler and tag that 
> tiddler as $:/tags/Macro then you can use the <> macro system 
> wide :-)
>
>
> Op ma 3 mei 2021 om 03:31 schreef Charlie Veniot :
>
>> Here it is a no-fuss-no-muss rough around the edges toe-dip into macros:
>>
>> TiddlyWiki Macros: A very (VERY!) basic introduction 
>> 
>>
>> Multi-tasking doing and speaking does not to this kid naturally happen.
>>
>> Face for radio, yet short on skill for radio.
>>
>> Still a boatload of fun.
>>
>> Maybe good for putting any of your young kiddos to sleep ???
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Okay, here's a very rough prototype.

You'll find in the attached zip two tiddlers:


   - Add Tiddler A Content
  - This is the meat of it all
  - This specifies the actions for the button
  - TiddlyWiki automagically takes care of creating the button for the 
  actions (the spark for the magic is the "$:/tags/EditorToolbar")
   - Add Tiddler A Content Image
  - Meant to be the icon in the Edit toolbar
  - Just text at the moment, which creates an obnoxiously big button
  - Good enough for testing purposes
  - We can work on a shorter word, or setting up an actual icon, later
   

You supply your own "Tiddler A" for testing purposes, putting whatever text 
in it.

Then create some new test tiddlers, trying out that button to see what 
happens.




On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly 
> burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Charlie, 
>>
>> Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.
>>
>> No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content 
>> used to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently 
>> reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler, 
>> along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start 
>> reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the 
>> content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>>
>>> G'day David,
>>>
>>> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean 
>>> you in the process ...
>>>
>>> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be 
>>> a few replies.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might be 
>>> editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content of 
>>> that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
>>> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
>>> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
>>> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
>>> need.)
>>>
>>> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of 
>>> "Current chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly 
>>> that you now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever 
>>> your cursor is sitting?
>>>
>>> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
>>> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
>>> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>>>
>>> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
>>> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
>>> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
>>> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>>

 Hi everyone

 Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
 helped me. Thank you!

 Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all 
 might help me. 

 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, 
 only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in 
 a 
 specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...

 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add 
 the missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing 
 links in custom field x from all tiddlers?

 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific 
 tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to 
 a custom field of the new tiddler. The key component was 
 customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that 
 in an editortoolbar button with no success. How could I grab the text of 
 [[Current chapter]] and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it 
 into tiddlers? (as text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want 
 what is pasted to change when I change the text of Current chapter later 
 on)

 <$action-sendmessage
 $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
 $param="wrap-selection"
 prefix=""
 suffix=""
 />

 Thanks to any help on any of these. World domination is imminent. 
 Blessings, Dave

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Re: [tw5] Re: Default Tiddler Configuration

[Jax Kovak]

PMario my apologies! I did not see your post!

However, I have downloaded and imported "NewHere-using-a-template.json" but 
I cant seem to get it to work. The import went okay and I restarted the 
Wiki but I still have the default empty Tiddler when I click a link that 
does not exist yet. Am I missing something?

Regards

JK

On Sunday, 2 May 2021 at 23:17:09 UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm sure Jax saw your suggestion, but I can feel his pain.
>
> Myself, I am very passionate about reducing 
> mouse-clicky-induced-tendinitis o' the finger knuckle.  We are going to 
> have generations of people who just can't poke their significant others in 
> the forehead when these significant others deserve a finger-poke in the 
> forehead.
>
> But seriously, distraction-free clickless rock'n rolling when the words 
> and thoughts are flowing like a torential river, that's a pretty wonderful 
> thing.
>
> A bit like CamelCase.  I'm no fan, but when one just wants to quickly 
> write, avoiding them brackets is a good thing.
>
> So I can appreciate wanting to squeeze out every drop of efficiency.
>
> Probably a little odd coming from me, because mindless 
> clicking/distractions give me time to process the thoughts into a little 
> bit of coherence.  Yeah, I'm a little bit granola, liking the time to smell 
> the flowers.
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-3 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 2:04:33 PM UTC+2 isd196...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> So, it's looking very much like the buttons are the only way to go with 
>>> this. Shame, but I already have a couple of custom buttons so its not 
>>> exactly a hardship, Id just rather be able to type as normal, save that 
>>> Tiddler and then immediately click on a link to a non-existent tiddler and 
>>> carry on. Oh well.
>>>
>>
>> Did you see my suggestion? You can click on the link of a missing 
>> tiddler, which opens it ... 1st click. 
>> You click the "edit button" ... 2nd click ... done
>>
>> What's wrong with that? I'm sure that 1 more click will not cost you more 
>> than half a second in your workflow. ... 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

Ah, then.   I have a solution (I think) festering, percolating possibly 
burning if you are smelling any burnt toast ...

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Charlie, 
>
> Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.
>
> No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content used 
> to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently 
> reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler, 
> along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start 
> reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the 
> content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.
>
> Blessings.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> G'day David,
>>
>> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean you 
>> in the process ...
>>
>> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be a 
>> few replies.
>>
>> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might be 
>> editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content of 
>> that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
>> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
>> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
>> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
>> need.)
>>
>> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of "Current 
>> chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly that you 
>> now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever your 
>> cursor is sitting?
>>
>> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
>> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
>> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>>
>> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
>> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
>> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
>> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
>>> helped me. Thank you!
>>>
>>> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all might 
>>> help me. 
>>>
>>> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, 
>>> only in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in a 
>>> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>>>
>>> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add the 
>>> missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing 
>>> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>>>
>>> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific 
>>> tiddler and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to 
>>> a custom field of the new tiddler. The key component was 
>>> customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that 
>>> in an editortoolbar button with no success. How could I grab the text of 
>>> [[Current chapter]] and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it 
>>> into tiddlers? (as text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want 
>>> what is pasted to change when I change the text of Current chapter later on)
>>>
>>> <$action-sendmessage
>>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>>> $param="wrap-selection"
>>> prefix=""
>>> suffix=""
>>> />
>>>
>>> Thanks to any help on any of these. World domination is imminent. 
>>> Blessings, Dave
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

David, it is hard for anybody to explain what he/she is thinking.  That's 
the challenge of expressing thought.  One word, to the thinker, can capture 
a ton of information.  Say that one word to the listener, you knowing 
exactly what all that word means, leaves the listener with that one word 
and without all of the other good stuff, intertwingled with that one word, 
still in that detailed picture stored in yer sponge.

So the listeners need to have a little bit of a crystal ball.

Eventually, the whole picture becomes clear as long as everybody can find 
the pleasure in, and not get too frustrated by, the long game of "is this 
what you mean?"

Ah, ping-pong.  Or as my uncle calls it:  gnip-gnop.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:40:02 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

> Ahhh...You are totally right to get confused by what I wrote. It's so hard 
> for me to explain what I mean. Here is another go:
>
> In terms of the editor toolbar button, yes, I want only one button, that 
> stamps the current content of the text field of Tiddler A at the time, and 
> when Tiddler A changes, the button will now paste the new content of 
> Tiddler A.
>
> But in terms of the tiddler that gets stamped, I need it not to change, so 
> the button can't stamp {{Tiddler A}}, because that would change as Tiddler 
> A gets updated. I need it to stamp it as text.
>
> Hopefully that is now clearer!
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM PMario  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:19:20 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> It's just that I use "wrap" buttons as workaround hacks to do stamping, 
>>> because stamp buttons are hidden in a menu, but wrap buttons can be 
>>> displayed directly on the toolbar, and they 'stamp' what's in the prefix if 
>>> you just insert your cursor rather than wrapping text.
>>>
>>
>> But then you said. You don't want to change what's pasted, if Tiddler A 
>> changes. ... So you will end up with a lot of toolbar buttons that have 
>> "fixed" text in it. ... IMO there isn't enough space in the toolbar. 
>>
>> From your first post you had code similar to 
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>> $param="replace-selection"
>> text={{Tiddler A}}
>> />
>>
>> So if you change Tiddler A ... The next time you'll copy something 
>> different. .. If you don't want this you'll need eg: 
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>> $param="replace-selection"
>> text="I am so happy"
>> />
>>
>> Right?
>>
>> But that doesn't make sense for me. ... You may end up with 100+ 
>> different buttons. 
>>
>> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Hi Charlie,

Yes, you have described well what I am trying to do.

No, I don't need an "Internet archive" style list of what the content used
to be. The button will stamp a reference to the chapter I am currently
reading (eg, [[Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond) ch 4]]) into a note tiddler,
along with other text immediately preceding and following. When I start
reading a new chapter I will update the "Current chapter" tiddler. So the
content is not important enough to warrant a log of previous content.

Blessings.




On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:45 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> G'day David,
>
> RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean you
> in the process ...
>
> By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be a
> few replies.
>
> Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might be
> editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content of
> that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are
> editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very
> moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however
> else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution
> need.)
>
> When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of "Current
> chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly that you
> now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever your
> cursor is sitting?
>
> Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical
> snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be
> individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?
>
> That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the
> "Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version
> would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one
> tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need
> it.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad
>> helped me. Thank you!
>>
>> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all might
>> help me.
>>
>> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, only
>> in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in a
>> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>>
>> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add the
>> missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing
>> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>>
>> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific tiddler
>> and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to a custom
>> field of the new tiddler. The key component was customfieldname={{{
>> [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that in an editortoolbar
>> button with no success. How could I grab the text of [[Current chapter]]
>> and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it into tiddlers? (as
>> text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want what is pasted to
>> change when I change the text of Current chapter later on)
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>> $param="wrap-selection"
>> prefix=""
>> suffix=""
>> />
>>
>> Thanks to any help on any of these. World domination is imminent.
>> Blessings, Dave
>>
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Re: [tw5] Highlight Selected Lines

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Javier,
Glad you like it!
It does not read a whole tiddler, it read what you pass to src parameter!
It can read a whole tiddler like mytiddler as src:{{myTiddler}}
For your case you can have your own macro as below with any customization
you like



\define hjl(tid begin end hlrange language offset:0)
<$macrocall $name=hsline src={{{[<__tid__>get[text]] }}}
begin=<<__begin__>> end=<<__end__>> hlrange=<<__hlrange__>>
language={{{[<__tid__>get[lang]] }}} offset=<<__offset__>> />
\end

This wrapper gets the tiddler name contains the code and extract the text
and language from text and lang fields to pass to hslines!
You can have more customization!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:07 PM Javier Eduardo Rojas Romero <
jeroja...@devnull.li> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 03:22:55PM +0430, Mohammad Rahmani wrote:
> > I am thinking of publishing it as a small independent pugin! I am not
> sure
> > if there is any interest in the community for that!
>
> I've just had a look, and this is great! I've started using Tw for
> making slides, and this feature you now bring fills one of the gaps I
> had.
>
> I have a small suggestion: since you have whole tiddlers dedicated to
> the code you show/hightlight, would you consider storing in those
> tiddlers the language type? say, for a python code tiddler, add in a
> particular field the language name, and have the hightlight macro refer
> to that field, instead of having the macro user say that the file is a
> python one?
>
> Nonetheless, this is quite nice, thanks for your work!
>
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[tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[Charlie Veniot]

G'day David,

RE: #3:  I'm going to throw a curve-ball at you and hope I don't bean you 
in the process ...

By the time I hit the submit button, I'm thinking there will already be a 
few replies.

Please let me know if I've got this right:  for any tiddler you might be 
editing, you'd like a button that copies and pastes the actual content of 
that moment of the tiddler "Current chapter" into the tiddler you are 
editing.  i.e. a historical snapshot of "Current chapter" at that very 
moment in time.  (adorning that content with prefix, suffix, and however 
else, that's secondary problem/solution to this primary problem/solution 
need.)

When we first talked about this stuff, you wanted the content of "Current 
chapter" in a field for new tiddlers.  Do I understand correctly that you 
now want it instead in the text body of the new tiddler, wherever your 
cursor is sitting?

Now the curve-ball. Would it be of any value to have dated/historical 
snapshots of "Current chapter" as distinct tiddlers which can be 
individually transcluded in any number of new tiddlers?

That would only be of value if you would ever like to see all of the 
"Current chapter" versions over a span of time and/or if any one version 
would actually ever be embedded/included/transcluded in more than one 
tiddler.  Otherwise, better to have each snapshot existing where you need 
it.



On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
> helped me. Thank you!
>
> Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all might 
> help me. 
>
> 1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, only 
> in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in a 
> specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...
>
> 2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add the 
> missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing 
> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>
> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific tiddler 
> and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to a custom 
> field of the new tiddler. The key component was customfieldname={{{ 
> [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that in an editortoolbar 
> button with no success. How could I grab the text of [[Current chapter]] 
> and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it into tiddlers? (as 
> text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want what is pasted to 
> change when I change the text of Current chapter later on)
>
> <$action-sendmessage
> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
> $param="wrap-selection"
> prefix=""
> suffix=""
> />
>
> Thanks to any help on any of these. World domination is imminent. 
> Blessings, Dave
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Ahhh...You are totally right to get confused by what I wrote. It's so hard
for me to explain what I mean. Here is another go:

In terms of the editor toolbar button, yes, I want only one button, that
stamps the current content of the text field of Tiddler A at the time, and
when Tiddler A changes, the button will now paste the new content of
Tiddler A.

But in terms of the tiddler that gets stamped, I need it not to change, so
the button can't stamp {{Tiddler A}}, because that would change as Tiddler
A gets updated. I need it to stamp it as text.

Hopefully that is now clearer!


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM PMario  wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:19:20 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> It's just that I use "wrap" buttons as workaround hacks to do stamping,
>> because stamp buttons are hidden in a menu, but wrap buttons can be
>> displayed directly on the toolbar, and they 'stamp' what's in the prefix if
>> you just insert your cursor rather than wrapping text.
>>
>
> But then you said. You don't want to change what's pasted, if Tiddler A
> changes. ... So you will end up with a lot of toolbar buttons that have
> "fixed" text in it. ... IMO there isn't enough space in the toolbar.
>
> From your first post you had code similar to
>
> <$action-sendmessage
> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
> $param="replace-selection"
> text={{Tiddler A}}
> />
>
> So if you change Tiddler A ... The next time you'll copy something
> different. .. If you don't want this you'll need eg:
>
> <$action-sendmessage
> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
> $param="replace-selection"
> text="I am so happy"
> />
>
> Right?
>
> But that doesn't make sense for me. ... You may end up with 100+ different
> buttons.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Highlight Selected Lines

[Javier Eduardo Rojas Romero]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 03:22:55PM +0430, Mohammad Rahmani wrote:
> I am thinking of publishing it as a small independent pugin! I am not sure
> if there is any interest in the community for that!

I've just had a look, and this is great! I've started using Tw for
making slides, and this feature you now bring fills one of the gaps I
had.

I have a small suggestion: since you have whole tiddlers dedicated to
the code you show/hightlight, would you consider storing in those
tiddlers the language type? say, for a python code tiddler, add in a
particular field the language name, and have the hightlight macro refer
to that field, instead of having the macro user say that the file is a
python one?

Nonetheless, this is quite nice, thanks for your work!

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:19:20 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

It's just that I use "wrap" buttons as workaround hacks to do stamping, 
> because stamp buttons are hidden in a menu, but wrap buttons can be 
> displayed directly on the toolbar, and they 'stamp' what's in the prefix if 
> you just insert your cursor rather than wrapping text.
>

But then you said. You don't want to change what's pasted, if Tiddler A 
changes. ... So you will end up with a lot of toolbar buttons that have 
"fixed" text in it. ... IMO there isn't enough space in the toolbar. 

>From your first post you had code similar to 

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="replace-selection"
text={{Tiddler A}}
/>

So if you change Tiddler A ... The next time you'll copy something 
different. .. If you don't want this you'll need eg: 

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="replace-selection"
text="I am so happy"
/>

Right?

But that doesn't make sense for me. ... You may end up with 100+ different 
buttons. 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Edit-CompText: Help with configuration

[Javier Eduardo Rojas Romero]

Eyeballing the doc. for that plugin, I see no way of achieving what you
want :(

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Yes, precisely, a stamp button! Now I see how I confused you guys. Sorry.

It's just that I use "wrap" buttons as workaround hacks to do stamping,
because stamp buttons are hidden in a menu, but wrap buttons can be
displayed directly on the toolbar, and they 'stamp' what's in the prefix if
you just insert your cursor rather than wrapping text.

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:14 AM PMario  wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:48:38 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> *No, I am editing another tiddler, and I want to use the editortoolbar to
>> paste a snippet that contains the current text of Tiddler A *
>>
>
> IMO that's what the "stamp" toolbar button should be used for.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:48:38 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

*No, I am editing another tiddler, and I want to use the editortoolbar to 
> paste a snippet that contains the current text of Tiddler A *
>

IMO that's what the "stamp" toolbar button should be used for. 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

@Mark S

Thanks but your comment is off track from the original request.

My point in the original post is that if Charlie's solution can grab the 
text of Tiddler A, and add it to a new tiddler button as the content of a 
field, then there must be a way to grab the same text from Tiddler A and 
use it in a similar way in an editortoolbutton in Tiddler B. But in a way 
that if Tiddler A is changed, what is pasted in Tiddler B will not change.
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:59:48 AM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:

> As soon as you edit Tiddler B you lose the selection of Tiddler A.
>
> A tool that may help with comparing or copying from a second tiddler:
>
>
> https://tid.li/tw5/plugins-2019.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FClipboard:%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FClipboard
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:48:38 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> see in bold below
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:42 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:09:32 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
 Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing. 
 Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am 
 so 
 happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the 
 text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I 
 am 
 editing. 

>>>
>>> I'm confused. ... 
>>>
>>>  - If you edit "Tiddler A" and select "I am so happy", you can click a 
>>> toolbar button. That's OK. 
>>>  - The selection will be preserved.
>>>  - But where is the other tiddler that you want to edit at the same time?
>>>  - As soon as you click a different tiddler, the selection goes away.
>>>
>>> You are editing "Tiddler A". The editor has to have the "focus". Which 
>>> means the cursor needs to be in Tiddler A ... 
>>>
>>
>> *No, I am editing another tiddler, and I want to use the editortoolbar to 
>> paste a snippet that contains the current text of Tiddler A *
>>
>>>
>>> Who do you want to define Tiddler B ... The one that should receive the 
>>> new text. 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[PMario]

Hi,
I'm not really sure, what you want. 
It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As you 
wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: "some 
text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text into 
the tiddler. 

The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 

I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 

I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

As soon as you edit Tiddler B you lose the selection of Tiddler A.

A tool that may help with comparing or copying from a second tiddler:

https://tid.li/tw5/plugins-2019.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FClipboard:%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FClipboard


On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:48:38 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:

> see in bold below
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:42 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:09:32 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing. 
>>> Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am so 
>>> happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the 
>>> text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I am 
>>> editing. 
>>>
>>
>> I'm confused. ... 
>>
>>  - If you edit "Tiddler A" and select "I am so happy", you can click a 
>> toolbar button. That's OK. 
>>  - The selection will be preserved.
>>  - But where is the other tiddler that you want to edit at the same time?
>>  - As soon as you click a different tiddler, the selection goes away.
>>
>> You are editing "Tiddler A". The editor has to have the "focus". Which 
>> means the cursor needs to be in Tiddler A ... 
>>
>
> *No, I am editing another tiddler, and I want to use the editortoolbar to 
> paste a snippet that contains the current text of Tiddler A *
>
>>
>> Who do you want to define Tiddler B ... The one that should receive the 
>> new text. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: "Kiosk Gadget" (?) tiddlywiki programming mini-video series, I think

[Charlie Veniot]

Originally, I was calling it TW Ref, as a single-purpose gadget to lookup 
TW documentation.

Then one of our crew (shout out to @ludwa6 !) had the great idea of 
including wikipedia references in there, then I stood on his shoulders and 
thought we could put anything at all in there, blowing up the gadget's 
scope big time.

"Sidebar Reference Tool" definitely perfectly fits my wordy self, however 
...

"Kiosk" is the one that grabs me by the jugular in a cognitively concise 
way and with a soupçon of cutesy factor (stops me in my tracks for a 
micro-second smile).

But tastes vary, and knowing that mine can be way out there ...  Hence a 
single-tiddler gadget sans/sin/without getting into a plug-in setup (I may 
change my mind), with the idea that folk should take that "gadget" and 
customize exactly as per hearts' desires.  In the spirit of early-day home 
computing hobbyists cobbling stuff together:  make it your own!

*Aside and way way out there*
On the subject of tastes:  ketchup with a whole lot of garlic powder, 
turmeric powder, cayenne pepper, and smoked paprika.  Take your ketchup to 
a whole new level, baby !  *(Uh, not referring to you as "baby", but more 
in a "holy cow" sort of way.  Unless you really want me to call you 
"baby".  In which case I'd need you to sign a waiver of some kind.)*



On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 6:54:27 AM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao cj.v...
>
> *Very interesting thread!*
>
> Just an initial comment that "Kiosk" doesn't seem the right term?
> I mean IF it were working in a browser in "Kiosk Mode" yeah.
> But its more like "Sidebar Reference Tool".
>
> *JUST a comment.*
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> On Monday, 26 April 2021 at 06:05:04 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> A new thread spawned from Just a thought: embedding TiddlyWiki 
>> documentation in our TiddlyWikis? 
>> 
>>
>> I've decided to do a short-video series of TiddlyWiki concepts relevant 
>> to what I now tentatively call the "Kiosk Gadget."
>>
>> Nothing fancy, very roughly done.
>>
>> To get it kick-started, I did just a short introductory video of the 
>> gadget: https://youtu.be/eaO1SUZRW0Y
>>
>> I think first topic I'll cover will be just a general and extremely basic 
>> tutorial on macros.
>>
>> Little general videos on each of the pertinent things in the gadget.
>>
>> Then one or more little videos showing how to build the gadget from the 
>> ground up, step by step.
>>
>> Something like that.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

see in bold below

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:42 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:09:32 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
> ...
>
>> Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing. 
>> Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am so 
>> happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the 
>> text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I am 
>> editing. 
>>
>
> I'm confused. ... 
>
>  - If you edit "Tiddler A" and select "I am so happy", you can click a 
> toolbar button. That's OK. 
>  - The selection will be preserved.
>  - But where is the other tiddler that you want to edit at the same time?
>  - As soon as you click a different tiddler, the selection goes away.
>
> You are editing "Tiddler A". The editor has to have the "focus". Which 
> means the cursor needs to be in Tiddler A ... 
>

*No, I am editing another tiddler, and I want to use the editortoolbar to 
paste a snippet that contains the current text of Tiddler A *

>
> Who do you want to define Tiddler B ... The one that should receive the 
> new text. 
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:37:34 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:35:10 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
> *Possible approach*
>> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
>> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
>> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
>> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
>> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
>> than I do?
>>
>> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; "url_" 
>> meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>>
>
> TW uses _canonical_uri for some "special handling already". So from my 
> point of view it could use _uri  SEE "i" not "l" for something special 
> that expects additional info that can be used to define a proper html A 
> tag. 
>

We may have to have a look at the spec: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986 
... Just to be sure, that we don't violate best practices too much ;)
-m

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Field Related or subFields

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:35:10 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

*Possible approach*
> We could use the "_" underscore to delimit such "subFields" and create 
> additional fieldnames such as url_name and url_target. Then when I have 
> code dealing with "url" it can look for fields beginning url_ to find its 
> "subfields". I wonder if this compromises the available fieldnames or 
> others plugins and solutions that make use of the "_" underscore more often 
> than I do?
>
> Perhaps such fields that may have subfields could end with "_" eg; "url_" 
> meaning subfields exist for this fieldname.
>

TW uses _canonical_uri for some "special handling already". So from my 
point of view it could use _uri  SEE "i" not "l" for something special that 
expects additional info that can be used to define a proper html A tag. 

IMO most users will use url for their field names. 

just my thoughts. 
-mario

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[tw5] Export to html while excluding some transclusions

[Louis Davout]

Hi, 

I'm wondering if the following is possible either in the base wiki or with 
a plugin.

Say I have a tag 'Public'. I want to export all tiddlers and only those 
tiddlers with the tag 'Public'. Simple enough with filter [tag[Public]]. 
But say some of the 'Public' tiddlers have 
transclusions of tiddlers that do not have the 'Public' tag. In my html 
output I don't want the content of the transclusions included unless 
transclused tiddler also has the 'Public' tag.

Thanks

Example
*topic1 with tag Public*
start

{{topic2}}

{{topic3}}

end

*topic2 without tag Public*
private

*topic3 with tag Public*
show me

*the desired html output*
start

show me 

end

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:27:56 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:26:42 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:09:32 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing. 
>>> Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am so 
>>> happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the 
>>> text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I am 
>>> editing. 
>>>
>>
> We may copy the selection to the clipboard. Then you can CTRL-V it to a 
> different tiddler. 
>

Would that work?
-m

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:26:42 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:09:32 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
> ...
>
>> Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing. 
>> Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am so 
>> happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the 
>> text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I am 
>> editing. 
>>
>
We may copy the selection to the clipboard. Then you can CTRL-V it to a 
different tiddler. 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:09:32 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
...

> Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing. 
> Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am so 
> happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the 
> text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I am 
> editing. 
>

I'm confused. ... 

 - If you edit "Tiddler A" and select "I am so happy", you can click a 
toolbar button. That's OK. 
 - The selection will be preserved.
 - But where is the other tiddler that you want to edit at the same time?
 - As soon as you click a different tiddler, the selection goes away.

You are editing "Tiddler A". The editor has to have the "focus". Which 
means the cursor needs to be in Tiddler A ... 

Who do you want to define Tiddler B ... The one that should receive the new 
text. 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Hi PMario

Thanks for the answer to #2. Works great!

Yes, for #3, maybe the reference to Charlie's snippet was confusing.
Basically the question is: If the current text of [[Tiddler A]] is "I am so
happy", I want an editortoolbar button that grabs "I am so happy" from the
text field of [[Tiddler A]] and pastes it into the text of the tiddler I am
editing.

But:
1) There will be text before and after "I am so happy"
2) If I change the text of [[Tiddler A]], I don't want "I am so happy" to
change wherever I used the editortoolbar button.




On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM PMario  wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:54 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> 3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific tiddler
>> and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to a custom
>> field of the new tiddler. The key component was customfieldname={{{
>> [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that in an editortoolbar
>> button with no success. How could I grab the text of [[Current chapter]]
>> and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it into tiddlers? (as
>> text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want what is pasted to
>> change when I change the text of Current chapter later on)
>>
>
> Since I don't know, what you discussed yesterday ... link is missing ... I
> don't understand this question.
>
>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>> $param="wrap-selection"
>> prefix=""
>> suffix=""
>> />
>>
>
> I'm not sure, why you need 6 double quotes as a prefix and a suffix. ..
> The above code comes from a toolbar button. ... I'm not sure how it is
> related to: " customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}"from
> the text above.
>
> -m
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[tw5] Re: Custom sort order

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:48:41 AM UTC+2 Max Rozeman wrote:

> Well it looks like this isn't as simple as I had hoped. Maybe what I need 
> is a macro, but that's a skill I've yet to learn. For the time being then 
> I'll just have to sort my titles the easy and messy way by adding prefixes 
> to my prefixes.
>

You are right. My code doesn't work as expected. ... I did very poor 
testing, so it looked like it would have worked. ... :/ Sorry for that. 

But the sortby operator needs "matching titles" it doesn't use regexp 
matches internally, which would have been needed for your usecase. 

So imo there won't be a "out of the box" solution. ... At least I don't 
know it. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:54 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific tiddler 
> and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to a custom 
> field of the new tiddler. The key component was customfieldname={{{ 
> [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that in an editortoolbar 
> button with no success. How could I grab the text of [[Current chapter]] 
> and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it into tiddlers? (as 
> text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want what is pasted to 
> change when I change the text of Current chapter later on)
>

Since I don't know, what you discussed yesterday ... link is missing ... I 
don't understand this question. 
 

> <$action-sendmessage
> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
> $param="wrap-selection"
> prefix=""
> suffix=""
> />
>

I'm not sure, why you need 6 double quotes as a prefix and a suffix. .. The 
above code comes from a toolbar button. ... I'm not sure how it is related 
to: " customfieldname={{{ [[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}"from the 
text above. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Three remaining conundrums

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:54 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add the 
> missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing 
> links in custom field x from all tiddlers?
>

Hi, That's a cool question:

[get[x]enlist-input[]!is[tiddler]]

But you need to make sure, that [[tiddlers with spaces]] also have the 
brackets!

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Three remaining conundrums

[David Gifford]

Hi everyone

Yesterday I worked on a project, and Saq, Soren, Charlie and Mohammad 
helped me. Thank you!

Now I only have three remaining problems, and I was hoping you all might 
help me. 

1. The comptext plugin does not autocomplete links in custom fields, only 
in the text field. Is there a way to configure it to autocomplete in a 
specific custom field? I only need it to autocomplete in one...

2. Adding a link to a missing tiddler in a custom field does not add the 
missing link to the missing tab. Is there a way to see all the missing 
links in custom field x from all tiddlers?

3. Yesterday Charlie showed me how to grab the text of a specific tiddler 
and insert it into the new tiddler button so it would get added to a custom 
field of the new tiddler. The key component was customfieldname={{{ 
[[Current chapter]get[text]] }}}. I tried to use that in an editortoolbar 
button with no success. How could I grab the text of [[Current chapter]] 
and have the prefix of the following snippet paste it into tiddlers? (as 
text, not as {{Current chapter}}, because I don't want what is pasted to 
change when I change the text of Current chapter later on)

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="wrap-selection"
prefix=""
suffix=""
/>

Thanks to any help on any of these. World domination is imminent. 
Blessings, Dave

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[tw5] Re: Is there any way of using entire latex syntax inside TiddyWiki?

[PMario]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+2 Anjar wrote:
...

> I don't think there is any way to render a full latex document by 
> javascript (or is there? https://github.com/kisonecat/web2js); you may 
> have to actually run latex somehow, 
>

Very interesting project. It seems to run a full blown TeX ... not LaTeX 
environment in the browser. 
In the background it needs about 13 MByte of WASM code + TeX configuration 
to + editor ... 

But it seems, that it still needs a backend to load assets like fonts ... 
As far as I can see, inspecting the live demo code. .. 

So there would be some considerable work to do, to slim the stuff down to 
make it usable with TW. 

-mario

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[tw5] Edit-CompText: Help with configuration

[si]

I have a question about configuring the Edit-CompText plugin 
. I think that this is a 
popular plugin so I'm hoping that there's someone here who can help me out.

I want to configure a template which produces the following wikitext:

[[display text|Link title]]

There is already a template for doing this (triggered by typing ||), but it 
requires you to write "Link title" before writing "display text".

I would like to be able to type the following:

[[display text|

Then at this point (after writing |), be able to trigger the autocomplete 
function so that I can select a link title. The problem is that after 
typing [[, the autocomplete modal appears, and doesn't disappear until you 
close the link with ]]. This seems to prevent a new modal being triggered 
by |.

Hopefully I have explained my problem well enough - does anyone know of a 
way to do this?

Thanks in advance.

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[tw5] Re: Charts.CSS

[PMario]

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:20:17 PM UTC+1 Anjar wrote:

I just discovered the CSS data visualization framework charts.css: 
> https://chartscss.org/ In short, you just add CSS to a table and get a 
> chart out of it. I know there already exist charting frameworks for 
> tiddlywiki, but charts.css looks very nice and simple


Hi, 
Just re-discovered this post from your link 
 at: Is 
there any way of using entire latex syntax inside TiddyWiki?

I think, it's a very nice find. Similar to twMat's experiments at: 
http://graphs.tiddlyspot.com/ which also uses wikitext and CSS only. 

It seems their minified CSS is still 70kByte. ... We should ask twMat, how 
much he needed. I think, the advantage with TW-native is it nicely links to 
tiddlers. eg: Labels can contain links .. and so on. 

I really think Graphs should get more attention, to bring it out of beta.

-mario

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[tw5] Re: "Kiosk Gadget" (?) tiddlywiki programming mini-video series, I think

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao cj.v...

*Very interesting thread!*

Just an initial comment that "Kiosk" doesn't seem the right term?
I mean IF it were working in a browser in "Kiosk Mode" yeah.
But its more like "Sidebar Reference Tool".

*JUST a comment.*

Best wishes
TT

On Monday, 26 April 2021 at 06:05:04 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day,
>
> A new thread spawned from Just a thought: embedding TiddlyWiki 
> documentation in our TiddlyWikis? 
> 
>
> I've decided to do a short-video series of TiddlyWiki concepts relevant to 
> what I now tentatively call the "Kiosk Gadget."
>
> Nothing fancy, very roughly done.
>
> To get it kick-started, I did just a short introductory video of the 
> gadget: https://youtu.be/eaO1SUZRW0Y
>
> I think first topic I'll cover will be just a general and extremely basic 
> tutorial on macros.
>
> Little general videos on each of the pertinent things in the gadget.
>
> Then one or more little videos showing how to build the gadget from the 
> ground up, step by step.
>
> Something like that.
>

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[tw5] Re: Custom sort order

[Max Rozeman]

Well it looks like this isn't as simple as I had hoped. Maybe what I need 
is a macro, but that's a skill I've yet to learn. For the time being then 
I'll just have to sort my titles the easy and messy way by adding prefixes 
to my prefixes.

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:56:47 PM UTC+10 Max Rozeman wrote:

> I have found that the 2nd example 
>  of the sortby 
> operator works, but only if the headings of the tiddlers to be listed and 
> sorted are the same as and no longer than the prefixes. They are prefixes 
> however, i.e. at the beginning of tiddler titles; not complete headings. 
> Complete tiddler headings may for example look like: "SP. Tiddler heading" 
> or "ER. Another tiddler heading". 
>
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 6:36:56 PM UTC+10 Max Rozeman wrote:
>
>> Sorry -- that was a typing mistake, not a direct copy-paste. I did 
>> include the exclamation marks in my attempt, and the list was alphabetical. 
>> The documentation link is very useful more generally; -- there is more 
>> depth of information on that site there than I previously realised, so I'll 
>> read it more and hopefully learn to problem-solve better. I don't know 
>> where to start with this sorting problem, except reading about `sortby` and 
>> trying each content type for saving the `testKeys` tiddler. No success so 
>> far.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:08:16 AM UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> <>  
>>>
>>> No exclamation marks. The have a meaning. See: more info in the docs 
>>> .
>>>  
>>>
>>> -m
>>> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:35:51 PM UTC+2 Max Rozeman wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for your replies, Joost and Mario. 

 For the solution suggested by Mario, I have created the testKeys 
 tiddler with the space-separated list (without commas). 

 In another tiddler I tested it with the following: <>>> filter:"[priority[1]sortby{!!testKeys}]">>  The output is in alphabetical 
 order. I don't know what could be wrong or missing.

 On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 10:10:37 PM UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 11:53:38 AM UTC+2 dode...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
>
>> <$list filter="[tag[Tasks]each[status]get[status]*sortby{!!sortkey}]*
>> ">
>
>
> Hi Max, 
>
> I'd use something like: [tag[asdf]sortby{testKeys}], where testKeys is 
> a  single tiddler that contains the sort order
>
> So tesKeys tiddler should contain a "space-separated" list eg: SC SP 
> ER MV IR SN CT AC CO   ...  no commas! 
>
> With your filter, the sortkeys field needs to be part of every 
> tiddler. .. That's a lot of redundant work, especially if you need to 
> change something and you have 100+ tiddlers. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>


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[tw5] Re: Just a thought: embedding TiddlyWiki documentation in our TiddlyWikis?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Eric

*VERY nice illustration!*

FWIW, I think optimizing iframes in their UI aspect could be very useful. 
Passing in height parameters for instance.

I been doing quite a lot of work using iframes with Data Dictionary entries.

The snafus have been mainly that quite a lot of sites now block iframe 
embedding  because of security issues.(GitHub, for instance, doesn't make 
it easy) .

Just a comment
TT

On Saturday, 24 April 2021 at 14:30:04 UTC+2 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:16:22 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> PS to my last: have fixed part of the problem: by adding the suffix 
>> clause back into macro (as below), it now pulls not a system-level error 
>> msg, but the error msg from wikipedia.org site itself, which seems to be 
>> objecting to the .html extension only... yet i can't find a way to remove 
>> that w/o reverting to the lower-level error msg.  Any insight about this 
>> problem would be appreciated!
>
>
> Try this in a tiddler named "ShowWikipediaFrame":
> \define AddTopic(topic)  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/]] }}}>$topic$
>
> <$select field="curr-topic">
> <>
> <>
> <>
> link
> 
>
> Notes:
> * The filter  in AddTopic  needed a closing "]]".  Also, the filter uses 
> "encodeuri[]" rather than "split[ ]join[%2520]".  This handles all special 
> URI characters, not just space.
> * The target tiddler for storing the $select widget value is the *current 
> tiddler*, rather than "Wikipedia" (or {{Wikipedia!!title}}) and the 
> corresponding  and  params simply fetch 
> {{!!curr-topic}} (i.e., from the current tiddler).  This allows you 
> transclude the above content as a template (e.g., {{||ShowWikipediaFrame}}) 
> and each transcluded instance can be used to show a different selected 
> topic.
>
> enjoy,
> -e 
>

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Re: [tw5] Macros: A very (VERY!) basic introduction

[Ray Vermey]

GREAT!! Thanks!!! THIS is what we need! Please continue!! One tip: if you
create a tiddler called Indent, put your macro in that tiddler and tag that
tiddler as $:/tags/Macro then you can use the <> macro system wide
:-)


Op ma 3 mei 2021 om 03:31 schreef Charlie Veniot :

> Here it is a no-fuss-no-muss rough around the edges toe-dip into macros:
>
> TiddlyWiki Macros: A very (VERY!) basic introduction
> 
>
> Multi-tasking doing and speaking does not to this kid naturally happen.
>
> Face for radio, yet short on skill for radio.
>
> Still a boatload of fun.
>
> Maybe good for putting any of your young kiddos to sleep ???
>
>
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