[TROM1] Received Trom Books from Amazon - a Review
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I ordered two copies of the basic Trom manual from Amazon and they arrived yesterday. I'm throwing away my large and bulky printout for this. It fits in the hand nicely and the print is of readable size and a good quality paperback. Good size for travel. Thank you, Pete, for making this available. Trom definitely helps one understand their own mind. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @ Vladimir
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Vladimir, Glad to see Trom is helping you assess other people. Reminds me of what Dennis said: "Question everything". Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Game Strategies
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org You are so right, Svoboda, and thank you for providing more useful insight on how to cure these conditions. Last week I ran out an upset thinking it was about "To Help" and in the end I realized it was about "To Love", but ultimately I realized my weird attraction/aversion to people who mostly exhibit a "must not know" tendency. Seeing the whole thing as a postulate struggle did it for me, and I scanned out all related incidents - and I'm not on Level 5 - I just know the theory quite well. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Relevant Post
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org As I was reading this post about "non-engagement" I realized this is what Trom is about. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carole-bennett/communicating-with-an-alc_b_383604.html ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] To Igor
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Igor, best of life to you too. I don't know what makes some people never give up, even if they do give up temporarily, but then get back to it, but it looks that you are one of those people who persists. From where I am at with Trom, Level 2 is the real test of whether someone is really going to be able to do this, not so much RI once it is mastered. kind regards, colleen Igor writes: I was doing TROM a few years ago, back then it it appeared to be very successful, but then it uncovers some childhood incidents related to fears and shame imprintings and so on, and so I realized that I had not enough power/courage to stand it back then. And it seem that somewhere about now, I have got a courage to move on (if you are going through hell, keep going), and get back to calmer conscience and more balance and clarity. Another concept, which I found to be very useful recently - is emotional intelligence (there is a book on this topic on amazon) which goes in great detail to explain emotions, their purposes from evolution perspective etc. Wish you all the very best in a new year! Cheers, Igor ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Dave Cook's RI description
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org YES, YES, YES! Exactly! I can't tell you how many times - just keep putting it all around you until the mind is quiet and calm. If that doesn't work then bang your head against a door for awhile - my upgraded version of perceptual RI, LOL! Try to work in some Level 2, eh! I would love some feedback. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, Pete, I got to the point that the Buddhists call "The Fourth Noble Path" where a practicer now has total analytical certainty of his practice. I've stopped searching other techs or reading anything or needing to discuss anything and re-arranged my life around this daily practice. Mind is still resistant though and I sometimes miss a day. If I have a huge present time problem I have an auditor who uses a recent technical development called "Advanced Clearing Energetics", by Richard Flook. It is developed out of German New Medicine and MetaHealth and puts emphasis on bodily healing too, so if anyone has a physical present-time-problem - or anything else that keeps them from their practice, his tech is simple to apply to self. He has a YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=magjTYTF3x0 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Merry New Year to All in TromLand (Colleen Peltomaa) >2. Re: Merry New Year to All in TromLand (Pete Mclaughlin) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:12:38 -0500 > From: Colleen Peltomaa > To: Trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Merry New Year to All in TromLand > Message-ID: > tj2r-arcye5nfvckqjyhgvmzfu8va+jdoacfjk...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Came out of a good session of RI and with much gratitude for this > workhorse. Much gratitude for Dennis and for those who keep his work on the > internet. > > colleen > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20141229/baa7fd56/attachment-0001.html > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:35:14 -0800 > From: Pete Mclaughlin > To: The Resolution of Mind list > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Merry New Year to All in TromLand > Message-ID: <9a54c5f3-d942-461d-832f-d7c8e9dce...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Colleen > your continued pursuit of Nirvana is inspiring. Well Done! Happy New > Year! > > Sincerely > Pete > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Dec 29, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Colleen Peltomaa > wrote: > > > > * > > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > Came out of a good session of RI and with much gratitude for this > workhorse. Much gratitude for Dennis and for those who keep his work on the > internet. > > > > colleen > > > > ___ > > Trom mailing list > > Trom@lists.newciv.org > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20141229/75369b85/attachment-0001.html > > > > -- > > ___ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2 > > ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Merry New Year to All in TromLand
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Came out of a good session of RI and with much gratitude for this workhorse. Much gratitude for Dennis and for those who keep his work on the internet. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Insanity Point Lectures
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Re-listening to the IP lectures and completed the lecture on "Sensations" last night which reminded me of the scale of sensations. It also stirred up and got me to deal with some "Must Know" and "Must Not Know" arguments within myself, which I spent several hours bringing up and releasing. As a result, today I see that I am much more willing to simply know and be known by people and things. The knowledge I gained from this experience helps to keep my eyes trained on the goal, so to speak. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Chuck, you wrote: "You can't carry everybody in the world out on your shoulders. You can lead by example and help people by telling them what you know, ultimately it's up to them." I was discussing this very subject today with a fellow Trommer and we made a short list: What you said, lead by example. I would also add: Communicate heart to heart Work with one's necessity level Get someone through their desires, for example, the second dynamic desires, desire for a nice, safe home, etc. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE The Way it Is
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org hello pete, I know you are not looking for appreciation, but for co-contribution. Dennis did not say his path is the only path, just that his approach, via the chart, was unique, in his own quirky, eccentric way, as some might view him. My personal knowledge of him is that he was the Lao Tzu returned and he finished an unfinished work. Each one of us has a piece to add, to contribute. David's critical thinking and critiquing actually helps me to be more clear headed about what he addresses, even though his accusations are undetailed. Thank you, David. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Correction RE Left Brain/Right Brain
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Slim, you are correct, I agree. I did not mean the literal brain, because Dennis also says that is very late drama on the track. In some of my R3x sessions I saw where the left-brain/right brain type conflicts came into being as pure postulates, which our mind and brains simply manifest or dramatise compulsively. In fact, I also saw, pre-mest postulates about conscious and subconscious, etc. So, yes, as Dennis says, the people looking for answers in the brain may find it, but only if they ask the right questions and go inward for the answers. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] To Tell the Way it is
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Ditto -- what Harry said :-) love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dear David, I agree with you that TROM has limited appeal, believe me I've put it out there. Only one person, a basically 2.0'er from NYC who had some prior R3x and Self Analysis and then read TROM and said, "This is what I've been looking for all my life". But she, like myself ran into a barrier that at the time seemed insurmountable (nevermind the Boolean logic, we didn't even at first trry to grasp that). So we hopped onto the Sedona Method releasing technique, having heard Pete mention it. We all four of us immediately made huge leaps in our attitude and tone level, and our self confidence and certainty about the DIY approach to handling our own minds soared. We also read Lester Levenson's "Keys to Ultimate Freedom" and other self-realized beings (relatively speaking), and, only once when I was coming to terms with a whole track uncompleted Advaita type bridge did I ever drop the idea that it would be a darned good idea to check outselves out on the way out using Dennis' Postulate Failure Cycle Chart.. You may discount this, but I even got in comm with Dennis knowing that he did not mind comming about technical issues, and he is agreeable to using the releasing techniques taught in the Sedona method to get through Levels. We intend to test this out in the near future, as we approach Level 4. There are approximately 8 spiritual inclinations or paths on this planet. Lester Levenson believed that the Kriya Yoga path would be and is the most popular. I have not looked into it so cannot say. For myself, as a budding coach, if I would work with people using Dianetic-type therapies to uncover heavily screened this lifetime incidents, Sedona releasing for immediate relief and on the road to self-sufficiency and constant mindfulness combined with releasing. I would also be alert to what incomplete bridges they might be dramatizing and need to re-visit. At the same time, there is no other one who explains games as well as Dennis does, except that he leaves out the mass, which one has to introduce themselves. I do not mind reading trom 17 times as Pete did. In fact, I believe I will purchase a tent and set it up in the backyard, lol! I have more realizations addressing your question, as I scanned my whole life with that particular purpose/failed purpose in the forefront. it's all going into my Admin Scale. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Fwd: Re purposes for Bodies,Planets
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Slim, yes, keep doing the do, I agree, focus the desire/decision/dedication to that one goal until all effort drops off and it becomes a pure delight, as Dennis intimated. Re purposes, I've adopted the saying, after reading TROM, "Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time!" 'Nuf said :-) love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] TROM is Good for Left Brain Thinkers
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Many students and devotees of self-realized beings complain that their pointing and guidance is too vague. Many of these devotees have a Westernized type education, called "left-brained", and when I hop from reading Nisargadatta, for example, to reading Dennis, I am momentarily mentally jolted from right to left brain, and that experience made me see the value of Dennis' work, his precise chart. AHA! Finally, a detailed, accurate left-brained path to resolving the mind, and re-gaining awareness, or full self-realization. Ultimately, left and right brain dichotomies are resolved as postulates in conflict. cheers! colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE human ape
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dear David and Paul, Great discussion interaction in your last posts. Have either of you read any of the sayings of other self-realized "masters"? Sometimes I wonder if they might have missed out on something re the mind by not having Dennis' chart, or did they manage to intuit it for themselves. The language both of you speak is the language of self-realized masters as I have been studying them. They boldly state their awareness of One-ness, I-Am-ness, as best as it can be put into dichotomous language form. Paul, as you intimated, there is I believe a type of "fruition" process. One who completes TROM and completely resolves the mind is still a bit like a green tomatoe, but words suddenly degrade what REALLY is in order for the mind to grasp it. The masters also seem to, upon viewing the 'human condition' put a deal of emphasis on letting go of attachments and aversions and over-identification with the body. Last night I was looking at the mind as a sort of entity, just looking at it and suddenly I thought to ask myself, WHO is looking at the mind, and the mind became a smaller thing and I sort of laughed about it. But of course, I have not yet punched in the legs of the "To Know" matrix, so no delusions about what will come up when I do that, however, having that more universal perspective is closer to truth. Just looking at my goal and releasing any conflicting postulates about it have been very, well, "releasing". Paul, are you still punching in the legs of the Postulate Failure cycle, or are you complete? The circle of "satsangs" and "saints" is growing :-) Of course, we never really existed, eh! love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Human Ape
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org thank you everyone for your replies and I am enlightened and i see where I do well and where I need to do better. Nisargadatta says to neither pamper nor abuse the body, and he mostly puts emphasis, as does Lester Levenson, on letting go of over-identification with the body. Would one identify with one's pet dog, no. So it is with the body, no more than a pet dog that we are overly identified with. >From an evolutionary point of view, most of the stuff in the grocery store is most likely a bit taxing on the body's systems, especially modern chemicals, etc. It is everyone's choice how to treat the body. Just resolve the mind. If the liver is toxic, the mind increases in paranoia, making it more difficult, for example. Okay, so now I feel that is gotten out of the way for now, and I can get on to resolving my identification issues with bodies. I laughed when I heard Hubbard say, "What are you doing with a body in the first place?!?" Yes, onward, and upward Trommers :-) colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE What Dennis says about "Human Ape"
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dennis states how crucial it is to not fight this species we are so identified with, and i could use some pointers or direction(s) as to how best to follow Dennis' strong advice. I watched videos of lower apes. Within "Life and Life Forms"" "When you try and fight this ape's evolutionary history you always lose." Would others please help me to get more examples of what he is pointing to? Thank you. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Admin Scale
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I should have known this would happen, that as soon as I stated my goal in writing stuff would kick up in my mind. It's all for good, and I resolved it within myself, but still let's just say it was not an easy ride. Life is a Guru, eh! In the last post I stated Goal and Purposes. Policies is a code of ethics, for eample, the "Never force" ethics code Dennis wrote up is as good as any. "Plans" -- work through the Levels of TROM and finish the job with Level 5. Plans are important to pay attention to because they are foundational, and most likely where things will go astray, that is if one is honest with oneself about one's goal and purposes, but the stated plan seems foundationally sound, and at this point I do not think I have any illusions about what it is going to take to pull off this plan, and my Admin scale is worked down to the VFP (Valuable Final Product). Now that I started reading the manual again with a fresh attitude, I find I have more discussion points and would like to bring some of them up on this board for pointers and guidance. thank you, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Admin Scale the Goal
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I am fortunate to be able to grant myself time and space and presence to pursue my first and final goal. Looked over the Admin Scale and decided to exercise myself therein. Goal: Resolution of the Mind Purpose: Self-realisation - abiding in Operate a body-mind in the world without attachmemnts or aversions No longer compelled to live a predestined life, borne of unconscious desires and thoughts, emotions, directives, etc. Policies: Plans: Programs: Projects: Still needs to be fleshed out. After I exercised myself within the construct of the ethics conditions, from Delusion to Normal Up, the Admin Scale is more real to me and will serve me to maintain a normal up condition. Much gratitude and thanks to the Masters and Gurus, and to my own Inner Guru. I use this Admin Scale to help me confront the steps of TROM Games Matrix. Instructs for the Admin Scale are here: http://www.sgmt.at/ClearbirdE2010/ethics2004/book/adminscale.htm I am interested to know what others have as a first and final goal? BTW, Trey Lotz on YouTube speaks of Admin Scales. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Interiorization issues and other repairs
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org @Pete, I know how good it must feel to have TA at 4.7. My TA is still high and amazingly I am making gains in dropping games conditions. The Out/Int phenomenon is greatly reduced.. Re Interiorization, the word is that Dexter Gelfand, moderator of the Freezone.Org Yahoo Group, does excellent repair work and also excels in delivery of Power Processes, if one does not want to go the DIY route. R3X is also practical, affordable, and works everytime at uncovering childhood incidents, without feeling like you are having your teeth pulled. It uses 6-directions, reach and withdraw, and Alternate Confront, etc., to get through the thickest and heaviest of black screens, By the end of session I was always gladly confessing my games conditions. Robert DuCharme knows how to keep the PC winning. When my TA gets back down to 2.0, I'll tell about it. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Perpetrators and Victims
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org @Pete, I really appreciate that you bring the focus back to the one true unchanging importance of releasing ourselves from limiting games postulates, and then see how things seem to us. In fact, in COHA, there is one drill with the end question, "How does [fill in the blank] seem to you now?" The guidance and pointers you provide encourage our own inner guides to process first and then see how the issues seem to us now. In truth, there are so many viewpoints one can take of the subject of this thread, why limit ourselves? In TRUTH, there is one Absolute Truth about everything. Resolving the mind makes that clear. However, I can also get into the viewpoint of one posing a problem to oneself in order to have a good game, a more complementary, lighter game, just because they now can, after doing some mental clearing. I, myself, have been indulging myself with a really big "problem", posing to myself the problems of civilization. That is partly what brought me into Scientology. Today, in an impactful session, I dropped at lot of importances around that, and ego drives too, and feel more in the now, just being myself, simpler. Less "must-ey". What's paradoxical is that the more I drop fixed importances, the more able I feel to actually address the created problem of civilization, if I should feel guided to do so. What of civilization when all beings resolve their minds? love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Impartiality
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org @ David, Why ask? I did not need to ask that question in order to run it in a session, so I cannot give you an answer. Try running it, or any synonymous concept and kindly tell me what "shifts" or changes in your inner landscape. love, colleen * * ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Session Notes: "The Soliloquist" Exits the Stage
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This morning's session notes: I ran "we are One" while holding onto the senior datum, "I Am". The mind brought up opposers. After that ran for awhile I started to see this particular "colleen" identity unravelling, as a composite of various cobbled together identities, such as below, which you saw me dramatize in a previous post (or two): As in a Greek play, there is one actor who is the mouthpiece, the channeler of Absolute (or nearer to Absolute) truth. The soliloquy-ist. Yet it never seems to change the outcome of the play, thus seems rather plaintive. When I take apart one limiting identity I sometimes dramatize a previous limiting identity, mistaking it for an unchanging Absolute. No matter how Absolute right it appears to me, no matter how appealing -- it is simply another energy-set personified. I look deeper and see the finer colliding energies and sensations produced as the soliloquist. Then continue the inquiry, "What am I?". Know that thou art not that soliloquist, no matter how powerfully impartial he is relative to the other players in that scene. He too is part of the play. Continue on with the good activity of dis-assembling compulsive, limiting energified personas. Isn't this what occurs when one runs the legs of the "To Know" matrix? "To know, to not know" is NOT the question, but "Who am I who knows?" [Exit soliloquist: *Final soliloquy as this actor folds up, limp, as the puppetpiece he really is.*] All of the actors then go limp, as they were all only supporting actors/puppets, then the stage -- the universal stage -- collapses, energies dissipate, lose form. The PuppetMaster folds his hands and looks up to his Creator, "Who am I?" Creator: "The One". So now I shall be "The One"*. But for how long? For earnestness of meditative study and piercing self-inquiry resolves all proud identities. As Pete always says, "Keep on Tromming". * *love, Colleen* ** NOTE: *Mr. Hubbard was known to look a person in the eyes and say to them, "You are the One".** * ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Power of Impartiality
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Absolute impartiality imparts a sense of power, and logic is a type of impartiality, is that not so? Anyway, that is what I perceived when I ran impartiality as a concept. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @Leoncia RE Perps and Victims
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Leoncia, glad to see you speak out on the list, and I see what you are seeing too. Experientially, at first I feel a sort of happiness or glee upon besting an "enemy", but lately I also noticed a bitter aftertaste and became even more decidely one who resolves all fixed games conditions. Also, experientially, as I get a bit lighter hearted, mind a bit more quieted, I find that I thankfully and with gratitude welcome loving correction to steer me away from non-complementary-ness. How are you yourself progressing with Timebreaking? Have you yet ventured to take apart the legs of the postulate failure matrix? That is the only thrill I get -- to see us all achieve our goal here...taking apart the mind construct allows the real you to to be real to us again. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Perps and Victims
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Robert DuCharme helped me over about two years of almost daily auditing. Although I mostly only looked at what my mind was holding there as importances, I did start to see patterns, and bringing the unconscious into conscious view is what is needed to quiet the mind. It was educational, because one of the first chains I ran was what I had done to others. Anyways, there was always, always, always the legs of the "To Know" matrix demonstrating themselves, just all dressed up like soap opera entertainment. However, I always ended up with the Absolute altitude of attitude, which is, in the words of Robert, "the only real flow is Flow 0 [self to self]]. All other flows are apparencies". Go within, check it out for yourself, realizing it is only a mind and we are all here to resolve the mind and its limiters that we impose only on ourselves. Most of us here have spent at least half a lifetime in effort to make our identities real. We now come here to resolve and dissolve, and at our own pace, without trying to change others. If TROM games matrix is your path, do it ernestly, and effort and struggle will drop away and more and more loving people will come into your life, in fact they may already be here, just need to be noticed. Even the most hating and self-hating person is, outside of mind, "Native State". There are no perfect words that will always please everyone, just do my best to be understanding. love to all, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] All the World is a Stage...
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Shakespeare's words echo truth to this modern age, yet there is only now. All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant, Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms. Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel And shining morning face, creeping like snail Unwillingly to school. And then the lover, Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier, Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard, Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel, Seeking the bubble reputation Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice, In fair round belly with good capon lined, With eyes severe and beard of formal cut, Full of wise saws and modern instances; And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts Into the lean and slippered pantaloon, With spectacles on nose and pouch on side; His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice, Turning again toward childish treble, pipes And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history, Is second childishness and mere oblivion, Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything. William Shakespeare ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Hubbard's Facts of Life
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Jurgen, good to see you through your post, and I feel much gratitude to be with a group that is dedicated to dropping "importances", except perhaps the importance of oneself and others fully resolving their minds and being at absolute awareness. I too am discovering I can refuse illogic and talk myself through it with reason, if need be. David, I needed to hear your words, thank you. Does anyone else feel, as they remove limiting postulates, feel their identities coming apart? love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Facts of Life
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hubbard was correct in context of societies such as ours, as I sense it from the VP of a woman and VP of males and their children, etc, human bodies being basically hormonal. Who knows what changes once we have resolved our minds. love, colleen -- *- i - * ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Larger Points of Consciousness
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Slim, thank you for sharing your connection with the Universe entity. I hope that its contact with you will bring it to deciding to play a lighter game -- to lighten the vengeance games here. So, Slim, have you been able to connect with the Universe above, and the Universe above that? It was in the second universe above that I saw the ISO-type schematic for this universe. You are having some very interesting gamesplay* *on your way to totally resolving the mind, and I note the changes I see in you as you continue to process the legs of the postulate failure cycle. Please continue in this good work -- to set a good example for other Trommers, thank you. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Homer's TROM Review
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Here is a direct link to his article called "TROM I", and the rest of the TROM articles follow in the ACT70's range. http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/act70.memo love, colleen* * ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Homer's Reviews of TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Homer's notes on TROM: http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer Scroll down to "ACTS7__.memo" in the "Homer" directory. Let me know what you think, thank you. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Self Talk and Tolle's Video
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Listening to Tolle's SelfTalk video was very self-validating. I AM making progress because I could relate to almost everything he said. Sri Nisargadatta adds this: *The Simple Secret to Success RE Self Talk:* *"M: *How do you go about finding anything? By keeping your mind and heart in it. Interest there must be and steady remembrance. To remember what needs to be remembered is the secret of success. You come to it through earnestness. *Q: *Do you mean to say that mere wanting to find out is enough? Surely, both qualifications and opportunities are needed. *M: *These will come with earnestness. What is supremely important is to be free from contradictions: the goal and the way must not be on different levels; life and light must not quarrel; behaviour must not betray belief. Call it honesty, integrity, wholeness; you must not go back, undo, uproot, abandon the conquered ground. Tenacity of purpose and honesty in pursuit will bring you to your goal. *Q: *Tenacity and honesty are endowments, surely! Not a trace of them I have. *M: *All will come as you go on. Take the first step first. All blessings come from within. Turn within. 'l am' you know. Be with it all the time you can spare, until you revert to it spontaneously. There is no simpler and easier way." I would amend that it is the most simple and direct, but I do not find it easy. However, I know I can do it because all it requires is consistent dedicated practice. love, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Creation of Human Ability
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I was helped through COHA by a member of this list. My case is such that I
do not have full perceptics outside the body, however, last night, while
being run on "where are you" I was aware of being able to be wherever I
chose to put my attention.
I am not a level 3 completion and mind still needs to be further quieted in
order for me to permanently retain the realization of my changeless self,
which I am sure is greatly assisted by going through and completing Level 5.
A couple of nights ago I was hungry and did not want to go to the grocery
store and went there anyways via perceptics and ran through the aisles,
using different sensors than if in a body being there. I perceived better
the energies in the food stuffs and gravitated to those areas of more
appealing energies and "absorbed" or "permeated".
After the "where are you" process finished I realized that I had always
wanted to go to Tahiti but now I realized I would have to mock it up first
and that seemed like too much trouble and so I totally lost interest (for
all "now") in going to Tahiti.
Reading Sri Nisargadatta's book, "I Am That" helps me to set the
intellectual background for running such self-inquiry type processes with
their resulting EPs ("End Phenomenon").
Each time I engage in some other processing techniques other than
timebreaking, I always check myself on how Level 5 Postulate Failure Cycle
seems to me now, and it always reads, in fact, it reads more and more.
And, at the same time, I feel closer and closer to it.
So the question I ask you is, once a being has achieved full
self-realization through other methods would he need to punch in the line
items in the Postulate Failure Cycle chart?
sincerely,
colleen
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[TROM1] RE Level 2 and 3 and Mayans
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Please explain again because I did not get how the Mayans and Annunaki relate to DHS' Levels 2 and 3, except that there is an increased sense of time urgency to handle any remaining games conditions I might have with the Annunaki, attractions, aversions, etc. best wishes colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Success with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Stopped doing RI because I was making it very complicated. Yesterday and today the RI was more quantitative than qualitative: I simply took simple objects around me and made a facsimile (no fancy changes, like spots, colors, etc.) and put multiples of that facsimile around me. I started doing this with the telephone poles as they went by, and signs too. It helped get me into present time, mind set aside, and the signs and telephone poles took on less seriousness and solidity: they were simply there and no importances. I also notice that after awhile of that I need to withdraw and get back into either/and self-inquiry/timebreaking. cheers! Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Doubt and question re ethics cycles
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Per Dennis, a games matrix starts with a positive, and I once told a being I wanted to make the game lighter and he doubted me and I asked him with regard to that doubt what incident was he stuck in and we ran it out. And, yes, I know this is all a story and none of us really exist, so that is for entertainment purposes only -- for those who still like to re-hash the old stories :-) However, I do appreciate all the different aspects of my Self that I see in the "Not Selfs" in my space. I am doing a formal scientology ethics cycle and had to do the Doubt formula on the way through it. Which got me stuck on an O/W writeup chain gang now, lol! Now I remember why I hated ethics cycles in the Church :-) Soberly, it did sober me up to a more true assessment, and I now wonder why Dennis does not recommend something to help a person handle continuing overts, which might keep the TROM techniques from working for a person?? -- *- i - * ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Tromming Along
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, Pete, I downloaded the latest transcripts and some of the older ones too and will have it all on two hard drives and one flash drive memory stick. Some of it is also printed out. DHS wrote:"The entire secret of making any mental mass vanish is to re-evaluate its importance to present time realities to the point where it is considered so trivial that there is no longer any need to keep it in existence, at which moment the mass can be easily not-known and will promptly vanish." After tripping out for several months exploring the other "Masters" such as Nisargadatta (very direct), Lester Levenson (workable processes in the Sedona Method), and lastly Adyashanti (excellent command of English language and the subject matter, agreeable aesthetics) I am back to reading afresh TROM manual. The lack of verbosity and aesthetics in TROM and Dennis is glaring in my eyes, but only because I still have some aesthetic hangups. I know that too will pass. I recall Dennis saying how beautiful he finds the level 5 matrix. In the early section of the manual where Dennis talks about the 4 legs of overts/motivators I determined that I consistently act out "must be known" and it rang true once I scanned myself and see my extreme sensitivity to rejection, and scientologically extrapolated out that I also commit/committed overts of rejection and this dovetailed very nicely with discovering my current reality of my true conditions per the LRH Ethics Conditions and their formulas. Worked up from the bottom (below Confusion) and am at point of writing up O/Ws re rejection, sticking to this lifetime. Gained a new level of proper humility. I pay tribute to Dennis and the other "Masters" for not allowing me to linger and languish in high-minded identities and games states of "enlightenment", and to keep tromming through to Nirvana, which means "cessation". Dennis pointedly states that one might not be able to flatten a junior universe if there are continuing overts, and I saw my own universe that I was/am still holding on to and how it was formed to keep me in the game and winning, and how I still commit overts, still play that game. At one point during the ethics conditions process I saw all the IP states organized as The Flower of Life, a topography of consciousness as pertains to IP states as they eternally create sensational matters. From the distance these IP states all look so lovely and beautiful. Was it not so? And "That was then and this is now...". colleen -- *- i - * ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Pete's Contribution to Free'ing Beings
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Pete, Thanks you again, and more, the more I keep coming back and re-reading the TROM manual. You have been faithful in helping Dennis point to the way (or "a" way), plus some gentle nudges to "keep on Tromming". Last night I started reading at the front of the TROM manual again, getting more clarity. This morning during my routine clearing work I just happened to be able to discharge something that I previously held onto as very important. Still discharging and getting re-oriented to the [lack of] anchor points around the body, body weaving a bit. But all is fun and a-okay. The great thing is that I did the work all by myself, without an auditor or coach or e-meter. Occasionally I do check in with a coach. It is like using another aspect of myself to help another aspect of myself, haha. So, with that in mind, I would like to thank the you of me that is helping all the others of me -- isn't Oneness grand :-) ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Thanks Pete for the Transcript
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, Pete, thank you for working to make TROM more accessible. Last night I re-listened to "Philosophy of TROM" and got a lot more out of it. Dennis said one cannot run without getting into trouble the non-life goals, for example, "to hate". I do not think that means one cannot run a, say, Level 2 process on someone whom you would like to destroy, having a non-life goal. Have been away from TROM for months, working on the Sedona Course and reading Nisargadatta too, getting brief experiences of Nirvana or "Absolute Bliss" and the Self-Inquiry. Dennis is still a Master among Masters :-) cheers! " i " ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Re A New Way of Looking
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[TROM1] RE Fear and Barriers
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Paul, LRH spoke soothe and thanks to him for presenting the materials that gave me a start on my clearing path. Two days ago I gave myself a session specifically addressing fear, and felt more courageous by session end. AND it was much easier to continue releasing from that higher emotion. Beyond fear, at least at an ordinary level, Lester talks about more and more frequently re-visiting what he calls an "original archetypal" barrier, and I can agree with him from my own experience that the more often and consistently one re-visits this area in their sessions, and breaks through the barrier (a real strong "not-know" type of barrier plus ALL of the emotions and energies we have ever expressed thereafter, at least for myself), well, I can see myself being more consistently in the viewpoint that is behind that barrier :-) I think Dennis' Levels capping off with Level 5 definitely firms up ability to operate from that viewpoint -- a viewpoint of also being able to view from all other viewpoints in this universe. The above spoken from brief and ever increasing glimpses towards the end of consistent sessions. cheers! Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE EFT and Idenics as Undercuts
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Yes, I heard of someone who went clear with EFT. What of Idenics exactly did you use? Also I find the best undercut for myself, even after CCHs (mind was still noisy and was still out/int dramatizing) is Sedona Method and realizing that Lester Levenson, in his own right, had likewise (with Dennis) nulled or resolved his mind and then spent a few decades showing people how it is done. EFT and Sedona Method also have an advantage over TROM initially in that they both have large, smoothed out support groups, forums, coaches, teachers. The only reason I prefer SM over EFT is that I'm lazy and I don't even have to lift a hand to tap myself :-) However, the tapping is meridian based and helps one to stay focused. I even know of someone who is combining EFT and SM, probably a good idea for some. At the end of the day, when all is quiet in the mind, I still yearn to finish off the work with Dennis' more concise tracking back through to the way we came from. Thank you for posting the good news about not necessarily needing the CCHs. best, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Yawns, etc.
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Valentino, I'm a newbie and I get big hippo yawns often and, as a result, come more into the now, everything looking brighter and more "real" or "solid". I had CCHs right before I started TROM. "To Know" is still mostly meaningless to me, although sometimes I can see it in terms of Separateness and Oneness, but I don't hang around there very much. For example, right now I am getting a lot of mileage running out "Control", and that seems to be where my mind wants to take me. It all is fairly freeform until one gets into the disciplines of Levels 4 and 5, which I am eager to do once I am confident my mind is quieted enough. I used Level 2 to help me clear out fixed attention regarding people in my life. I imagine you also get cogs along the way. I imagine you also got yawns running Dianetics. Sometimes, if an area is very heavy, I will go near unconscious, and then need someone to help me run the item. Don't need a trained auditor to help me hold the space and time. Besides yawns, sometimes I feel a sigh of relief or release, sometimes somatics, emotions, and sometimes as if some things are shifting around as I let go of fixed ideas. The same phenomenon occurs when I use the standard prompters of the Sedona Method. If a scene from the past is live in front of me then I notice there is an increase in fluttering of the eyes, even if I cannot "see" the scene. Grooving yourself in to Timebreaking is, imho, one of the best things one could do for oneself for confidence and certainty as a solo auditor. As with yourself, I had mostly Dianetics style auditing, and the beauty of Timebreaking (and Releasing) is that it is no longer about the "story" which makes the work much more efficient and gets one closer, faster to realizing they can just simply "drop it", the importances, on a more global scale. All is well, colleen P.S. You are welcome to send me a PM. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE GAMES from Paul T.
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thank you for the input. I recall Dennis said, "Question everything". Is it experientially true for me? Don't know until I go and run it. RE "To Know", doesn't come up much yet, however, rewording it as "separateness and oneness" does produce material to process out, or release on. I believe the "Olodus" matrix chart lists "BE" near the top, but I think the meaning of "know" as listed on the chart differs from Dennis' meaning of "know". "know" can cover all bases, it depends on how one views it. "Know" can be seen as total ARC/KRC, which would cover Be-Do-Have. There is one unchangeable truth and even TROM only points in the direction, thus an apparency only, thus it can persist for us to utilitze. The only truth is the truth that one experiences for oneself. That one can take to the bank. In the end it will be the same exact one truth for all. But everyone will have their own limiting postulates that gives apparencies of different paths, but the paths get more and more similar as we approach the one unchanging truth. Any method which deletes limiting postulates is a correct method at that level of truth. The beauty of Dennis' chart is that it perhaps for the first time concisely presents how the mind operates. However, many are going to need the extrapolations and complexities, or gradient approaches of complementary beings. For example, I use Lester Levenson's extrapolations to help me prepare myself for taking on Level 5. That's an example. It's all about resolving the mind, because we were always here and we never left :-) colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Question for Pete
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Pete, Are you still Tromming? How are you doing on Level 5? best, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Homer W. Smith's Adjunct to TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org link: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?3170-Adjunct-to-TROM-thread Homer's writeup is a communication bridge for scientologists to better grasp the gains that can be had with TROM. A quote: "Part of the secret of TROM is that every postulate made by a being contains really TWO postulates, the Self Determined postulate, which is what the being wants for himself concerning others, and the Pan Determined postulates, which is what the being wants others to want concerning him." Let me know if you find this helpful or enhancing, thank you. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Adjuncts and Bridges to TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I do not have the credentials of others on this board and I hardly can believe my good fortune that someone like myself would find TROM and be able, or at least want to be able, to duplicate, but somehow I knew on some level that Level 5 was the cat's meiouw. Timebreaking is a bit like Ron's date/locating in that it helps one put the scene back to where it is, and no longer here where it does not belong. [Imagine one of us in our higher game states decided that "then equals now".] Timebreaking is also NOT a contrivance, but a native ability, and those are always good to recover, as I discovered for myself. I personally have not yet quieted my mind to my satisfaction that I feel I can run Level 5 of TROM. However, the greatest leaps and gains I've made in my case first came from learning to Timebreak and run RI. However, the even greater case gain I have recently been making is re-learning another native ability -- to "let go" or "release" without any Q&A (questions and answers, or trying to figure things out, etc.). Where did I learn this? From a fella now deceased, Lester Levenson, founder of The Sedona Method. I am wading through a home-study course right now. Lester approached his case typically by removing the sensation between the goal sets, and apparently he worked at it enough to empty the goal sets of all sensation, if not collapsing the opposing goals. He validates TROM because his discoveries were independent but similar to Dennis' discoveries. For example, Lester, after running out some junior packages, ran into what he called "one-ness" and "separate-ness". Is this not the "To Know"? For myself, due to the noisiness of my mind, even after doing a full battery of CCHs, Timebreaking and RI were still a trudge, but no complaints, because I knew I was going to get past that and get onto Level 4. However, my mind is quieting down much faster now that I also have regained the ability to simply "let go". I don't even attempt to put the scene out of the present and back into the past as with Timebreaking. Some days I am laughing for no reason at all, and I speak a lot less too, which is a good indicator for me. Analytically, I see that the releasing skill, with all of its supporting coaches and teachers and forums, is a great adjunct or bridge into Dennis' work. I think Dennis would agree, if I can stick my neck out a bit here. My mind, as an unruly child, either expresses or suppresses or escapes, and now I'm more on top of it and curtail those grooved in strategies with consciously "releasing". It is becoming what I call a "kitchen sink" activity. Sedona Method and TROM are the only two simple methods I am aware of that process one towards the stated goal of "one-ness", or total resolution of mind. I've had a couple of experiential understanding of what that is for myself from running Sedona Method with the help of a coach. This is a milestone for me because before I could only intellectually understand, and now I have experienced a taste of it for myself. I imagine running Level 5 will give me further glimpses. In fact, I fully intend to polish off any gains I make using Sedona Method with Dennis' discovery. Releasing and Timebreaking -- two awesome tools for a being who is resolving his mind. Oh, one other discovery -- when in the releasing mode one does not need to do RI because one is continuously in a state of releasing whatever comes up, as it comes up, and, as I said, it is a kitchen sink kind of activity -- can be done almost anywhere, anytime once one gets themselves trained in. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Session Notes: Tripped Out
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org In deference to the conversation about the highly venerated ayahusca, I cannot say yay or nay, having never tried it. Some Salvia once. This morning, however, I did have a yerba mate extract and perhaps that influenced the session which went like this: I saw that as the One I created a beautiful group of beings (Spiritual Masters) for a holy spiritual wedding -- all joining as one, and I processed further and saw all these eings as aspects of myself as the One. I feel so approving of myself that I created these beingnesses, but I still decide to let go. I re-experienced a separation of my beingness from the One and this time I swept away the volatile emotions and faced it bravely, not shaking or wavering. I gave myself approval for being able to do that. Processed further and realized the energies I use to form the body/identity are very sticky or "clutchy". So, I ended at a level of calm acceptance, ready to do further processing on undue importance of the body/identity energy mock-up. The "New Normal" is changing and becoming more the reality that we are all just parts of the One...and dare I say, I am also the One :-) In a previous session (no drugs) I for a few seconds saw and said, "I" am here and "I" always was, and "I" never left. This is becoming the "New Normal". blessings to "ALL", colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Grateful for All that is
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I was doing a self inquiry two nights previous and my question was (drum rolls now), Q: Who Am I? A: A comb. then I saw a comb and the teeth extended out from the spine of the comb and they kept extending out. Explanation: The Oneness is represented by the spine of the comb and the separateness by the teeth points of the comb -- our current reference points. I cannot explain this, but after a few more seconds I also saw the teeth start to loop in toward the Oneness (the spine). And then I read David's contribution that refers to Oneness, and it makes perfect sense to me. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Lottery Numbers
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Paul, Thank yo for the technical correction re lottery numbers. I am almost totally de-monetized when it comes to attractions or aversions, musts or must nots, or lower games of "Have". Have most of my attention on dis-assembling the mind, as one of my colleagues worded it. BTW, if you want to see someone who appears to me to have dropped their mind, you can go and youtube Lester Levenson and let me know what you see. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Games Wins and Loses
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Pete, the thing you said -- I will have what others are happy for me to have -- is what impinges upon me. Isn't the whole thrust of Dennis' teaching and processing about complementary games, i.e., to know and to be known. Are there any winners or losers there? colleen Also, am happy to report that I can actually relate to the new states of mind you are experiencing. Or should I say mind-less-ness :-) ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RI and The Secret
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, Pete, Please let me know what good results you are having with the combo, thank you. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Dan Winter
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi, Jurgen, great hearing from you and the info regarding Dan Winter. I also am enamored of Russellian Science by Walter and Lao Russell. Because I am mostly a Do-It-Yourselfer these days, I am finding that Timebreaking combined with (at least at the Level 3 of TROM) Releasing technique I learned from the Sedona Method (which Pete has recommended on this board). Both Timebreaking and Releasing are native, natural abilities and advisable to pick them up again and, as an eternal being, use them once again. Love, on a lower harmonic, and as a junior package -- well I felt the sensation of it when I lightly touched on this junior package. Ultimately all sensations/emotions are lies and delusions. A construct placed into the mind landscape. Love is great sensation to pursue, we are simply processing out the limiting postulates and fixated attractions and aversions regarding love. That releases one and one is on the way to BEING THAT (or not that). Dan Winter, as an infinite being, holds the whole of Cosmos in his hands, and I honor that within him, AND that within you. See you in bliss, Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Affirmations
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Glen, Not in the way people usually measure it, but I AM FABULOUSLY WEALTHY right now and I got a good chuckle when I read your post. Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE The Secret
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Pete, Thank you for the link. Whatever clears out limiting postulates, and RI could be the ticket. Also, I received instruction to state the affirmation or goal in present time, not into the future. E.g., "I am fully self-realized". About lotteries, my affirmation is "the next ticket I purchase is a winner". How does that sound? cheers! Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] The Handshake between RI and Timebreaking
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Timebreaking a lynchpin identity and its limiting postulates, once done, my RI create soars to new limits, as it did today. I had to experience this a few times majorly before I saw the relationship between RI and Timebreaking. They enhance each other. A discussion ensued yesterday from re-reading about John Galusha, one of LRH's Tech Finders, and the discussion was about how Ron had fantastic success with creative visualization techniques until the PC hit the postulate limitations of his identity. And, I understand that approach was for that reason discarded. be well, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Success running out "To Eat..." Compulsions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I'm so sure that no one else has eating issues like I do, but just in case, there is relief/release with TROM. Yesterday my auditor helped me jump start Timebreaking a tonsillectomy since there was a lot of blackness around it. With a little Alternate Confront I started timebreaking very well and quickly, ran repeater tech on "Bodies are dangerous", then "Thetans are dangerous". Ran that out until flat, scenes moving by, realizations coming in. All viewed against the present time location. Because of some recent re-stims regarding my research into more healthful lifestyles, food and eating was presented to me during this incident. (Mom gave me soft sweets.) Without fully knowing the matrix of the "To Eat" junior package, I found myself natively running it out, once I lightened the surgery incident. It moved and I scanned it from initially complementary through to more and more serious, in all its permutatiions. Amazing, the games I played. I'm sure, looking back, that I could have looked at it in more detail. The RESULT is my intake of nourishment is more guided by what the body is telling me and not what the mind, or any possible parasitical entities in the body are telling me. I am subject to insulin resistance so this is very helpful to me with regards to managing sugar swings. I also felt more in tune with the body's healing protocols. Healthy foods that I formerly did not like much, like blue green algae, vegetables, are now easier for me to simply eat without a lot of additives. I purchased a juicer and am now juicing veggies for more convenience. I used to become easily mutally out-ruds re simple sugars, and now it is only the other's out-ruds,. I no longer feel compelled to use another's out-ruds as an excuse to go out-ruds, re the specific compulsions I ran out. That can be a BIGGIE for people who live or work around people who eat all kinds of crap, pardon my french. Had to do a LOT of RI to fill in the resulting vacuous feeling. Still doing RI -- that was a lot of simpleness that occurred, especially for a former gourmet cook. [mutual out-rudiments, i.e., going into agreement with another's compulsions] All this from a natural and spontaneous scanning of the "To Eat" package. AND I must emphasize, at Level 3, it is very helpful for me to have help to dig into things like surgeries. Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Whopper
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thank you Paul and Pete for the enhanced insight into Level 5. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Question RE RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org "Create Something", and I really want to be able to do that and feel a bit of a block, so I usually revert to one of the two remaining commands, but still a bit unsatisfied. When I first started re-learning about Scientology I was more presented with the synonymous (I think so) term, "Mock up" something. When running RI and I tell myself to "Mock up something", I feel more unleashed and better about it. I think this is okay until I get to more awareness and acceptance of myself as a creator type without feeling like I have to look over my shoulder? Does anyone recall in the PDC lectures the story of the siblings who sat side by side and presented on the fireplace mantel their mock-ups to each other? I never forgot that and still hold a strong interest in that ability, being able to do that with someone else for the fun of it. Does anyone perceive that continuing RI [of itself?] will aid a being to restore that ability for himself at least? colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Reason Why
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Ours is not to reason why; ours is but to as-is the lie. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] (no subject)
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ours is not to reason why; ours is but to do or die Pete, Lester Levenson says the same thing (Sedona Method). colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RI Running Better Now
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Completed running a Scientology process helping me address my discomfort with "In--ip--Out" Today's RI was less wrought with worrisome complications: Quantity of RI is preferable to involuntarily filling in with bank (mind) importances. Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Timebreaking aids Scientology Process
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I know, I know, in my heart I know that all case phenomenon that ails me can be, at least theoretically, handled by Moi, seulement (myself solely, as the french would say, "chez moi"). Unfortunately I am tainted with Scientology Games track and drawn by my wanting to as quickly as possible ease the mental discomfort of this In/Out dramatization. Thus, enter in the customized out/int Scn. process. How is that working for me? Very smoothly, and I use the things I learned from Dennis' TROM Games Manual. Specifically, keeping my eyes open for quicker and smoother processing, doing RI before and after session, and looking more and more at the importances from the more fundamental viewpoints presented in the TROM Manual. I even see the junior package of Looking being more real to me than "To Know...". Do I like having to rely on an auditor? I don't see this as a permanent condition and it does have it's own "problems" to the degree that one allows oneself to be at the effect of the auditor or the session, or the process. I am fairly certain that towards the completion of Level 3 and at the start of Level 4 I will step into a new level of spiritual maturity and developed character and continue doing so until I complete Level 5. All this said with the caveat to live more and more an unplanned life, if that is my choice. Right now it is more gain than pain to employ the auditor (the "Not Self"). That said, this simple Scn. process moves out mental mass, and the separation from static (as I word this event), and it's repetitive spiralling and sub-dramas -- which holds a "must not Know" (I dub it "look") -- is yielding and I was even today able to get into the viewpoint of this primal "Birther", and view both sides. All subjective realities. This happened outside of a formal session, and I timebroke it thusly. I took GREAT PRIDE in knowing that I could do that, and that I just needed initial help to open the door, or "punch it in" as Dennis would say. I also see more and more that I do not need to get into a must-ness about to have or to not have an auditor, to have or to not have "Not Selves". Soon my auditor and I will happily conclude that I can handle it myself from here on out. If it felt like Dennis (and some of his adherents) was at times imposing a Must-ness on me, well, perhaps that was just how I mocked him up -- mostly as a reflection of my own internal goings on. BTW, my R3x PC loved the guided RI and I loved being there sharing the experience with him. He also (intuitively, of his own volition) run the R1-12 (from Creation of Human Ability) "remedy of havingess" process and he had no problem coming right back down to earth operating viewpoint. It is hard to ask a "track-y" Scientologist to lay down his tools, even if he does "know" in his heart, but this too shall pass !!! HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE "Living" and Abberration
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Pete, I think you are on to something, and a Level 5 completion or near completion would either not be in the vicinity of such a neighbor, or have less back-off on exercising pure postulates, or be in the viewpoint of the "Not Self" -- and change your mind about "Must not Know", etc. Hubbard's favorite example was the Fool in the Tarot with the delinquent children and the yapping dogs at his heels. The question to myself this discussion generates is to help me gain the subjective reality of being able to live in a no-game zone, and/or a non-compulsive (i.e., non-abberrative) mode of games play. The flat out statement that games are abberrative is for practical purposes true, which infers that games do not need to be gotten rid of, just the abberration attached to them. Never seek to inhibit the ability of a being to mock up -- can't be done. Remove it's inbred compulsion, yes. Taken from my own subjective reality. Plus, my PC ran some guided RI yesterday and he entered a No-Games Zone (or pure Consciousness), and from that level of Consciousness he also countered that it is also okay to have or enjoy the experience he is having with bodies, without feeling compulsive at all. How would anyone on this list view that within their own subjective realities? I invite some other viewpoints :-) Besides completing Level 5, does anyone have any other lasting solution to games play abberation??? ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Interesting discussion re Complementary Postulates
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org "...reach for that boring work... with draw from that boring work." Oh, Hello, Pete! Glad to see you saw the cause of your own effect and no biggie overwhelms or fixations occurred, and the hacker achieved his goals, and will simply not have you as a future player in his games -- unless you so desire to. But most likely you will adopt some more positive activity to take up when the work tedium phenomenon occurs, if it ever does again. Seems like simply you exercising yourself through the Level 5 chart. Can't wait to have some fun with that too :-) Thank you for the Dennis references and putting it all in a "...just another TROM day at the office" perspective. colleen P.S. I did not click on an infected link so no worries on this end. I use the free version of AVG. Do you think that is sufficient? ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Considerations
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Paul, Today I started reading anew Hubbard's "Creation of Human Ability" he first published in 1954. His "Basic Operating Theory" was that "Considerations take rank over the mechanics of space, energy, and time and that these mechanics are the product of agreed upon considerations which life mutually holds." And he went on to say that the mechanics have become an inverted importance. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @Max Re RI and CCHs
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Max, I really enjoyed reading and studying the well expressed posts of Peter and Alex Graf. I would like to contribute an additional service, and if you find it of service to you then I've done well. Here is a website that will take you through the CCHs: http://www.paulsrobot.com/node/OpPro8C_instructions I've never tried it. My auditor ran CCHs to very good endings and I did notice that I gained more presence of myself and my RI and Timebreaking became more rewarding. Since I am a non-perception case when it comes to running RI, I or now feel more comfortable with physical RI. But let's get it from the author of the Games Manual, even though this might take up a few bytes: While running RI it is not necessary to perceive one's creations. The certainty that one has created is sufficient. Lack of perception is a very poor proof of non existence. (There are many Chinese stirring their rice pots in Peking right now. The fact that you cannot perceive them doing so is no proof that they aren’t there doing it.) Early on many beings find themselves plagued by ‘non-perception’ screens, which prevent them from perceiving their own creations. As you progress through the levels you’ll become more and more aware of these screens. Finally you’ll vanish them, and thereafter be able to perceive your own creations. Some beings have always been able to perceive their own creations -- often in glorious Technicolor -- and will wonder why I’m making such a fuss about all this. These notes aren’t for you, but for the being who has got himself backed up hard against a ‘no-perception’ screen - either one of his own, or someone else’s. (Refer to Theory Section for more detailed info on the subject of screens.) There is another class of RI called RI by perception. This is where the being repairs his scarcity of importances by increasing his contact with, and reality of, an existing importance in the PT physical universe. As any solid object has a residual importance postulate within it, we therefore see that a being can repair his scarcity of importance by physically contacting such a solid PT physical universe object. Grasping such an object with your hands and feeling its solidity, temperature, texture etc., will repair importance. Many beings who have difficulty with the creative RI commands will be able to use RI by perception. Any being who can use the creative RI exercises will also be able to use RI by perception, but should use the creative version by preference. Any being who can only use RI by perception early on should from time to time during the Levels have another go at the creative versions. Sooner or later one will ‘click’, and thereafter should be used in preference to the RI by perception method. Theoretically at least, you and I and others had a part in keeping these solid mock-ups here in the "now", so you could say that you are processing both your viewpoint and that of others when you do perceptual RI. And I do believe Dennis was more than correct when he said some would get a better start with Timebreaking if they were delivered the CCHs. May you never be the same again, Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Wry Humor re "Silver and Gold"
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Santa says it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMlqn_Hjyi8 ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] More on Junior Packages
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I have one PC who still prefers to run R3X, an expanded form of R2R, or what is called Dianetics. I am helping PC hold the space to run out a series of this lifetime sex/pain/drugs/hypnosis incidents, bleeding off charge in the expectation that the "ends" that hold all that stuff together will finally get viewed and the whole stuff in the middle will go "poof". Meanwhile good havingness for the PC who gets to enjoy the whole show all over again. Poor havingness for poor auditor :-( Today's session, the PC happened to mention something about the concept of "Control", and I decided to do something different and asked the PC to repeat alternately, "To Control -- To Be Controlled". The result was more akin to timebreaking in that multiple scenes flashed by him quickly until PC got lighter on the subject. Since it was obvious to me there was cross-packaging, "To Sex -- To Be Sexed" was likewise run with likewise success, and because of that we ended off session whereas we might have been in session for longer if I had continued with the R3x format. I was very tempted to ask PC to run the concepts with eyes open, but did not wish to create too much randomity, but, who knows, we may have another one who wants to restore full ability to play games. Referring to a previous thread about dropped "havingness", I see this PC gradiently dropping the wanted havingness of conventional engram running for the havingness of "Eating with the Gods". Forever humble ;-) colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] What If RE Basic Laws
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org What if a rule change were made. i.e., NICE SURPRISES. Sure made my RI run, without chewing into my bank. Is it advisable to run RI this way? cheers! colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] exclusion lecture question
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it with their own present time creations (RI). Let me know how that works for you. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying to know something that has not been brought into existence in this universe to be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am lacking some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would someone please help me out, thank you. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] "Tell me an Importance" Power Process style
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org "Tell me an Importance" / "Tell me about it" I got a jumpstart into my timebreaking with my auditor asking me the above question. Finally hit on "Comprehension", started timebreaking incidents (love this timebreaking stuff! It really IS very natural.). Moved back to static or a static type valence and hit on the postulate, "Everything must persist!" I was very happy when I first made that postulate...Best to KNOW before you go. A wiser being, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Good Session Yesterday RE "Importances"
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Yesterday I punched in importances and ran through a series of incidents, sort of dianetics style but much faster until I stopped within the viewpoint of a creator valence who had the postulate, "Everything must persist" and the whole sad tale I had been running down to that point all made sense in light of that god-command, and I also saw how I had used that this lifetime too (esp. explained sufferings I endured as a child -- who would have thought an infant could be so 'causative', ha!) The next time someone tries to make me feel bad about the "starving children in Biafra", or say "how could God allow all that suffering.?" I'm going to know better. Now, the only question is did I release that postulate and only I will benefit from the release of it, or did others make similar postulates and have to make their own personal releases? Also, as a creator type I felt I could be more happily responsible, and even if lifeforms might only look like ants to me, or simply pay them no more attention than I would to my big toe, the question I can ask myself now is, "how many times do I need to stubb my big toe?!? Well, now that I nulled that postulate I can come up with a different answer. Why did I do that postulate? Well, it appears that at that stage everything looked "good" and of course I wanted all that pleasant goodness to persist -- hooked on sensation is what it always seems to boil down to. H, "sensation" -- perhaps the next concept to punch in. So, you can see I am having a lot of fun with Level 3 style timebreaking, just have to do good accompanying RI and that is still a bit buggered for me. Have to do RI without chewing on my bank which seems to be the challenge. Hubbard's advice was to take a current creation or mock-up and make present time changes to it. -- **¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸Colleen*.•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* <> ) (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•.*** ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Original Postulate
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Pete writes: Hi Leon ? if i understand your statements you are saying we must follow back our current games to find the first game we played and were overwhelmed at and when it is timebroken we are done.? this is like Dianetics where LRH looked for the Basic-Basic engram which when audited took the sting out of all rest of the engrams in the case. this sounds correct. Keep on TROMing Pete That's the way my case is running, however I ran two years of R3x (a Dianetics offshoot). The difference I notice is that I get there a lot faster with TROM than with R3x, plus I don't necessarily run in a sequential time-dependent chain as I was directed to do with R3x. On level 3 I timebreak wherever it is, and it seems to not always be sequential time. Often the scenes whiz by so fast, I can't even tell you what I timebroke. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @ Leo Re Issue 18
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Leo, and I always appreciate your comments on this list. In my case, on Level 3, I start with a "recent" incident and then sometimes an incident during separation from static comes into view which also gets timebroken. However, that occurs when I "enter positive and remain passive", and I never go purposely looking in that area -- separation from static. And even though I can see the basic To Know postulate set at separation incident, I'm not on Level 5, so I don't want to go digging into that as of yet. But almost any incident I run seems to take me back there too. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @Paul RE the EP of Level 4
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Paul, Thank you for taking the time to write about some of the common occurrences on this clearing path, and I find it very helpful so that I don't freak out and go "OMG" what's going on, etc., etc. For example, your detailed report about your experience with RI helped me to get back onto a better response with my own RI, and am once again experiencing change when I do my own RI. You also wrote: " the overwhelms where I just punch it and punch it even though nothing comes up to TimeBreak. And what I wind up with is a deeper and broader understanding and truth of how I have been the only possible true and sole overwhelmer of myself." I also noticed when I punched in the complementary goals of the junior "To Eat" package, at first much came up to Timebreak, all the way back to creations of biospheres, and even prior. Once I "EP'd", meaning no more stuff to Timebreak for now, and I continued to punch it in, I was gifted with more and more expansionist viewpoints, and that is when my life started to profoundly turn around 180 degrees regarding eating and related stuff, no longer so related, ha! This from a person who once travelled to Rome to experience the varieties of a popular dessert, Tiramisu, ha! Another example of what you say: I am helping someone test out the Power Processes being the PC, and I find that when I push past the "Timebreaking" part of the process, I am likewise gifted with wonderful expansionist viewpoints, which allow me to pull away from some very prime-creator type psychedelic type addictions, and I also see how they persisted on this fractal or vector level of the games matrix. I no longer HAVE to do that and that viewpoint comes from both levels of the games matrix. Often tears of great relief from the viewpoints of those higher level identities. It's as if that identity is also a parallel present time (loosely speaking) identity, now not so much dissociated as before. But I digress. cheers! colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Crop Circles
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Yes, SLim, I agree, crying, which I also never did before Timebreaking came on the scene, is good release of charge, and I just like to get a good safe quiet space and release it, and it seems to be lessening now. The crop circles do seem to becoming more and more light and playful, and perhaps meant to enhance. But I nowadays lean more in the direction of "questioning everything". I've seen previous archetypes I created that were quite the trickster, which probably largely accounts for why I am here now quite agreeably, implant, after implant, being the effect of my own cause. Can you please describe what are 5th dimensional beings? Do they still know how to go in and out of this "tube" universe? As I am running the comb through my mind matter I am more able to conceive of there being perhaps beings with still some mind, but finer, more refined, playing less serious games. It is a measure to me of my own personal enhancement the company I now seek opposed to the company I resonated with in the past. And I am sure that this is how Aarre is feeling and I only hope he is not being set up for a delusion by our "prison guards". Question everyone and everything. I wonder too if there are embodied beings here, although I doubt it, who have personal cognizance of how they came in and how to go in and out. Perhaps at a higher aspected level we all have this knowing state Yes, it is a well known hallmark of spiritual enhancement when beings note they are more loving, more tolerant, more affectionate, all on a voluntary basis, and also at the same time more wise to the games people play, their identities differentiated more easily from who they are as beings. cheers! colleen \ ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Santa Claus
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi, Pete! It is the other PELTOMAA you meant that for. I AM Santa Claus :-) cheers! colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Exterior
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org We are not on terra firma anymore, getting accustomed to the multiple focii points. We are larger for it. What great adventure! cheers! colleen -- **¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸Colleen*.•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* <> ) (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•.*** ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Relative Importances
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Most of you made career or work choices well before you started TROM. Did you find that relative importances regarding your work choices changed at all? Myself, I am retired from previous occupations, and, even though my interest is not as pronounced as it used to be before TROM, the most I can see myself doing is auditing and coaching people, and I study and practice along those lines. However, can't really see the point of auditing others if it does not help them regain cognizance of the games matrix. What is the point of starting an Admin Scale with someone if you cannot reach the "Valuable Final Product"? Yes, if the correct gradients are put in all VFPs are achievable, in an ideal scene. Has anyone else had any cogs or reshuffling of importances regarding their career choices, etc.? colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Humor
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Q: How many Trommers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None. Everybody else is busy running around changing the lightbulbs, don't take away their game. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Level 4 Completion
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >From Dennis: "Good. You are now ready for the rigors of Level Five. The environment is now virtually incapable of triggering your mind against your conscious choice. Only you can do it now - and even you are having trouble! Only the creation of raw postulates can take you further. That is the whole subject of Level Five." Paul, it sounds like you can proceed, if you desire. >From your perspective, would Level 4 equate to any Scientological process being run on one? I'm doing Level 3 work, but do find that I am more and more differentiated. For example, during some Ri and meditation, I lost focus and sort of blanked out and my mind was there, but after a few minutes I snapped out of it and took a good look at what I had been looking at, with great interest, no negative emotions, almost admiration. So, all is not peaceful and quiet "in there", but you can see that I am assuming a more exterior viewpoint of it, and even able to see some components of it, Another example, last night's meditation (I never was able to meditate before TROM) saw me dropping limiting postulates re being somewhere and communicating or just observing. I had plenty of choices of where I wanted to be and in what state of form or formlessness, and who I could communicate with. At first this was very interesting and I wanted to focus more on this, but for some reason I lost focus (not enough RI?) and went off to sleep instead, My dreams are still about old games, but something is different, besides the fact that they are material for timebreaking. I have yet to aggressively go after incidents to timebreak as Paul T. bravely does. The best I do right now is daily rudiments timebreaking. However, my memory is improved and I can and do timebreak people and related events as they come to fore. With Scientology I did not quite see the light at the end of the tunnel, but with TROM I do, and it comes quite efficiently with an increasing realization that I am the cause of my own effect. My personality is starting to seriously unravel, and I see that as progress, and also a bit disorienting (more RI?) at times. It is not really necessary to create another personality/identity but I see that I nearly could if I wanted to, if it suited my purposes. Actors do it freely. I see my case state a bit more clearly, and am more willing to know what is my true spiritual condition. I sense I still have a lot of work to do, and am quite happy with the gains I have made while on Level 3 processes. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] In a Nice Life-Ghoulish Way
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The Dead Terrorist before TROM: "I KEL YOU" The Dead Terrorist after TROM: "I LICKE YOU" HAPPY HALLOWEEN ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @Al re Trommers Communing
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Alessandro, a community of Trommers sounds like fun; there might be another Trommer by the end of this year. I don't feel the need for this "community" to be in the physical realm, just knowing you are there does my heart good. A few days ago during a Power Process I realized that at separation from static, during part of the shock of it the solution was to ameliorate the pain with an "Other" being there. That's what I saw, but of course that is for entertainment purposes only. best, colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] @Leo re "If A then B"
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org You're right. I thought "If A then B" was a "class" and not a postulate set. Very interesting lecture re classes. Yes, right also about engrammick chain running; although I spotted a Dianetic(R3x) PC's postulate and asked him to run to a key-out of the incident, "To Control/To be Controlled". However the incident had him stuck as a negative victim of control postulate set. ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] "If We're Different, It's Different"
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Youtube video lecture by Tom Campbell, "My Big T.O.E." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zVk-wbG8Wk ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Alex' Cog on Level 2
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Alex, that post really hit home for me, and giving a personal example helped to make it real to me. I always thought I would need an auditor to help me null compulsive importances and now I find that I am more than any auditor and so now I almost literally have need of nothing and thus also do not have to withhold anything. As you said, that is the ideal we sometimes approach before we confront another layer of service effect. It is not a constant state, but a teaser to keep me wanting to know more about the real me. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Definition of the Mind
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Good that you asked that and I enjoyed scanning that. Generally, it is safest for me to presume that I am larger, either finitely or infinitely, than any psychotherapy process. I simply agree to use that process and in doing so agree as much as I need to for the process to serve my purposes -- agree to fit myself within the parameters or boundaries. After a good session I expand and feel larger or exterior to what we call the mind. Something got looked at and came apart, lost its grip, so obviously it is something separate from "me". That "me" I humbly consider to still be a composite of a pure state and whatever is left that it is still guarding. And yes, I saw what you are saying about the concept of the "analytical mind". I did, for purposes of a game, agree to operate within a system of "conscious" and "subconscious" mindsets. Tracking with Dennis, however, I agree to use his term "analytical" to mean it as he meant it, i.e., the being who can operate outside of the mental mass or the "mind" as he portrays it. It is a workable theory, or a nice story to tell the kiddies while they are doing their clearing work :-) The part that I am clearing is the part that is not serving me in present time living and the part that analyzes in PT still serves me, so the more of it the better. This starts to lead me into a discussion about subjective and objective viewing, which might be good for another thread. cheers! colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Broke L--4 Loose
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Great news, and thank you for tipping me off about that particular overwhelm. The main part about death that concerns me is the wild "astral" stuff that occurs between lives which has been a free-for-all with my mental baggage I take with me. In my last great session I saw the necessity to cause this identity to recede. Out of session experience tears of sorrow for the giving up of this identity -- letting go is hard to do, goes the song. :-) I saw what I could be without the limiting postulates of this identity, and the tears of loss are just part of the process. -- **¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸Colleen*.•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* <> ) (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•.*** ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Re Basic-Basic and Engrammic Chains
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org "If A then B" is the basic bonding postulate, as I'm listening to Dennis' tape re "Bonding" and the subject of relationships. Can this be used to explain the seeming fixed relationship -- i.e., chains -- of (relatd) engrammic material? For example, in shock processing using R3X methods, I discovered that huge chunks of related engrammic material would easily slough off once one contacted the basic-basic (postulate set), which occurred after layers of charge that made it previously unaccesible were peeled away. I recently went to basic-basic and won an expanded VP and am mopping the floor of (mostly) incidental material. My reach is now for resolving relationships, and my mind is certainly obliging me. One of the best ideas Dennis had -- go complementary with the mind. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Slow but sure Progress
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The nice breakthrough in my case is evidence of being more balanced between emotionalism and intellectualism, and that being logical is really neither (or a balance perhaps) of those. The comm lag is less and less, but more work to be done. Also, pleased with myself that I re-stimulated a really hot junior package and am alive to tell about it, lol! Running some charge out of that definitely reduced some compulsions I exhibited in my daily life. In last session RI and TB'ing blended together very harmoniously, and I was able to take a more interested look at some mass. "Inner looking" is for me, now, more fun than white water rafting, and I hardly have to lift a pinkie :-) cheers! colleen -- **¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸Colleen*.•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* <> ) (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•.*** ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Algebra Query
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Okay, "Not Y" increases my conceptual understanding of the formula, thank ypu. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Algebra Query
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, I'm appreciating the quality of the discussions on this board, and knowing the other trommers to some degree. Re the TROM algebra, well, I was taught in school to write it this way: [1 + (-y)] is the opposition goal to 'x'. '1' represents 'wholeness' or 'universe'; 'y' is the complementary goal of 'x'. the opposition goal to x is [1 + (-y)], the negative of y; Is this correct? colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Ideas on EXTERIOR
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org My interests/importances and therefore compulsions center around relationships. My current relationships feel a bit "unreal" because in the past the reality-persistence was made by heavily engaging in games and their attendant lies. But, upon getting used to this move towards "No Games", I have to admit that interactions are becoming lighter. I spotted a compulsion to fill in the uncomfortable void/static space - it does take some re-orientation to this new approach to relationships. Sometimes this list gets so quiet, and the part of me that knows better knows that it is perfectly okay too: The less mind, the fewer exchange of words on this list - at least in my case. colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Who or What is Looking
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Did some timebreaking today and looked at both then and now, initially, from current identity/location, and as I spotted and nulled importances, postulates were exposed, and I regained ability to expand viewpoints, and viewed the scene from a "higher hidden aspect" of myself from which I seemed to have caused the incident, and then even back to Prime Static VP, each VP having its own attitude. However, unless I do meditation before session, it is me mostly here and now who has got the analytical units feverishly focused on the Now location, braced for some mind-originated Then scene. Keep on Trommin' ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Re Query RE RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org @Pete, Now that you brought it up, and the fact that I could hardly understand what you were talking about -- LOL -- yes, probably a low point. Think I made a mistake that I caught when I re-read the TROM manual. Perhaps more than one, which made it a bit more confusing. Re-read the "Practical" section and am re-checking Level 2 for prior thoroughness. Did get some hippo yawns from it too :-) Am making spelling and grammatical corrections on a .doc version of TROM manual and Addendums, and will add an expanded Table of Contents once printed out. Let you know when it is ready to send out to anyone who wishes. @Jurgen, good, sensible doing'ness sort of advice, something I can take to the bank, thank you. Felt very relieved, thank you again. cheers! Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
