from:"Rowan"


On 16/11/14 16:42, Colin Law wrote:

On 16 November 2014 16:11, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

On 16/11/14 15:43, Colin Law wrote:


On 16 November 2014 14:35, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:


On 16/11/14 14:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote:



On 16/11/14 14:27, Colin Law wrote:



On 16 November 2014 14:21, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:




https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1393188




Is fglrx installed?  To find out:
apt-cache policy fglrx

Colin


Yes, it is. But if you are thinking of the bug we looked at yesterday,

https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1103847

This isn't it, because that one generates an error message and fails to
perform screenshot, and mine doesn't do that, it performs screenshot,
but with an old image.


Sorry, correction: that one does perform screenshot, but with an old
image,
just like mine. But that one generates an error message, and mine
doesn't.
That's the only difference.



I still think it would be worth uninstalling fglrx to see if it fixes
it, it is a remarkable coincidence to get such an odd symptom.  When I
uninstalled it  (for a different problem) it automatically fell back
to the free driver and I don't notice any difference in performance
(though I am not running graphics intensive games or similar).  You
can always re-install it again.

Colin


I have found a couple of pages of instructions on how to do that:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/445758/uninstalling-previous-install-of-the-fglrx-driver

http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-proprietary-ati-drivers

Any comments on those, please, to help me decide whether to pitch into one
or another of them?


No idea, sorry, I just uninstalled fglrx.  Possibly that was not the
right thing to do but it seemed to work for me.

Colin

Well, how did you uninstall it? That is what those pages are about, how 
to uninstall it. How did you do it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug report filed re screenshot problem


On 16/11/14 15:43, Colin Law wrote:

On 16 November 2014 14:35, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

On 16/11/14 14:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


On 16/11/14 14:27, Colin Law wrote:


On 16 November 2014 14:21, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1393188



Is fglrx installed?  To find out:
apt-cache policy fglrx

Colin


Yes, it is. But if you are thinking of the bug we looked at yesterday,

https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1103847

This isn't it, because that one generates an error message and fails to
perform screenshot, and mine doesn't do that, it performs screenshot,
but with an old image.


Sorry, correction: that one does perform screenshot, but with an old image,
just like mine. But that one generates an error message, and mine doesn't.
That's the only difference.


I still think it would be worth uninstalling fglrx to see if it fixes
it, it is a remarkable coincidence to get such an odd symptom.  When I
uninstalled it  (for a different problem) it automatically fell back
to the free driver and I don't notice any difference in performance
(though I am not running graphics intensive games or similar).  You
can always re-install it again.

Colin


I have found a couple of pages of instructions on how to do that:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/445758/uninstalling-previous-install-of-the-fglrx-driver

http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-proprietary-ati-drivers

Any comments on those, please, to help me decide whether to pitch into 
one or another of them?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug report filed re screenshot problem


On 16/11/14 14:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

On 16/11/14 14:27, Colin Law wrote:

On 16 November 2014 14:21, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1393188


Is fglrx installed?  To find out:
apt-cache policy fglrx

Colin


Yes, it is. But if you are thinking of the bug we looked at yesterday,

https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1103847

This isn't it, because that one generates an error message and fails to
perform screenshot, and mine doesn't do that, it performs screenshot,
but with an old image.

Sorry, correction: that one does perform screenshot, but with an old 
image, just like mine. But that one generates an error message, and mine 
doesn't. That's the only difference.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug report filed re screenshot problem


On 16/11/14 14:27, Colin Law wrote:

On 16 November 2014 14:21, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1393188


Is fglrx installed?  To find out:
apt-cache policy fglrx

Colin


Yes, it is. But if you are thinking of the bug we looked at yesterday,

https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1103847

This isn't it, because that one generates an error message and fails to 
perform screenshot, and mine doesn't do that, it performs screenshot, 
but with an old image.



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[ubuntu-uk] Bug report filed re screenshot problem


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1393188

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Screenshot: can't clear old image files, where are they


On 15/11/14 17:19, Simon Greenwood wrote:

On 15 November 2014 14:44, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:


On 15/11/14 14:25, Bill B. wrote:



On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 12:50 +, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


I haven't been using Print Screen, I have been using the Screenshot
application



Rowan, pardon my naivety, but have you tried Shutter as the screenshot
app - it has gone
it's gone through several system upgrades here [new system, old home
folder].
It is, in fact, my app of choice for all the functionality you describe.

  I just installed Shutter, following your suggestion - and rather

extraordinary this - it is doing exactly the same thing: printing, as
current screenshot, a screenshot which was actually taken at 0915 this am.
So whatever the problem is, it affects Shutter equally.



This is a complete guess but it sounds like Screenshot saves its output
somewhere and then copies it to the destination, but that the scratch space
has a temporary file in it that isn't getting overwritten.  Do you have
other user accounts on your system or could you have run screenshot as root
for some reason?

The other possibility that comes to mind is that your system time is wrong
for some reason and that screenshot is creating a file with an out of date
timestamp and that's confusing it. I'll have a quick look through the
source code and see if there are any clues.



Thanks.. I don't think it's anything I've done - remember, I just 
upgraded to 14:10 yesterday early am, and the problem has been ongoing 
from there, and not before. I should say that it is not unusual for some 
system variable to get knocked off course during an upgrade. I quite 
often used to find user preferences had been changed by mistake during 
upgrades and had to be reset.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Screenshot: can't clear old image files, where are they


On 15/11/14 14:25, Bill B. wrote:


On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 12:50 +, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

I haven't been using Print Screen, I have been using the Screenshot
application


Rowan, pardon my naivety, but have you tried Shutter as the screenshot app - it 
has gone
it's gone through several system upgrades here [new system, old home folder].
It is, in fact, my app of choice for all the functionality you describe.

I just installed Shutter, following your suggestion - and rather 
extraordinary this - it is doing exactly the same thing: printing, as 
current screenshot, a screenshot which was actually taken at 0915 this 
am. So whatever the problem is, it affects Shutter equally.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Screenshot: can't clear old image files, where are they


On 15/11/14 13:59, Colin Law wrote:

On 15 November 2014 13:42, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:



On 15/11/14 13:38, Colin Law wrote:


On 15 November 2014 12:50, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:


On 15/11/14 12:42, Colin Law wrote:



On 15 November 2014 12:13, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:



Hi,

I have upgraded to 14:10, and picked up a bug or two along the way.
This
one
is a nuisance, because I use screenshots a lot on my blog. Every time I
try
to make a new screenshot, it just creates a new copy of an old one.
Therefore, it is storing them somewhere in a queue, and when I try to
make a
new one, it puts that at the bottom of the queue and offers me a fresh
edition of the snapshot that is stuck at the top. Or a selection from
several that are stuck there, but never the new one. The official
location
for all screenshots is set by me as the desktop, and I have repeatedly
deleted everything on there, including hidden files. These things must
be
stored somewhere else. So where are they all, so that I can clear them,
and
perhaps find some way of preventing them from accumulating like this
again?




When you click on print screen (if that is how you are taking a
snapshot) what does it show for Save in Folder?

Colin



I haven't been using Print Screen, I have been using the Screenshot
application, because I always want to select an area by hand. But it is
interesting that the Print Screen command always reverts the destination
folder to Pictures, no matter how often I try to change it to Desktop.
But
this doesn't really solve my problem. I can find the resulting image
file,
whether it is in Desktop or in Pictures. the trouble is, it is not the
present screen, but an old one, stored somewhere and regurgitated
repeatedly. So the question must be, where?



Just to clarify, are you saying that if you hit printscreen, enter a
filename, select an appropriate folder, and hit save, that it saves a
file where requested, with the correct name, but with the wrong
contents?

Colin


yep. old contents.


If you run, in a terminal
gnome-screenshot
do you see an error something like
** (gnome-

screenshot:5026): WARNING **: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin
screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11. Error:
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files

If so then perhaps it is this bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1103847

Colin

No, I don't get that error message in the Terminal. It just performs the 
Screenshot operation without comment. Into the Pictures folder. And 
reproduces the old material, again. Restart will clear it, I think, 
because the old material is from this morning, not from yesterday, when 
this started happening.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Screenshot: can't clear old image files, where are they




On 15/11/14 13:38, Colin Law wrote:

On 15 November 2014 12:50, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

On 15/11/14 12:42, Colin Law wrote:


On 15 November 2014 12:13, Rowan Berkeley 
wrote:


Hi,

I have upgraded to 14:10, and picked up a bug or two along the way. This
one
is a nuisance, because I use screenshots a lot on my blog. Every time I
try
to make a new screenshot, it just creates a new copy of an old one.
Therefore, it is storing them somewhere in a queue, and when I try to
make a
new one, it puts that at the bottom of the queue and offers me a fresh
edition of the snapshot that is stuck at the top. Or a selection from
several that are stuck there, but never the new one. The official
location
for all screenshots is set by me as the desktop, and I have repeatedly
deleted everything on there, including hidden files. These things must be
stored somewhere else. So where are they all, so that I can clear them,
and
perhaps find some way of preventing them from accumulating like this
again?



When you click on print screen (if that is how you are taking a
snapshot) what does it show for Save in Folder?

Colin



I haven't been using Print Screen, I have been using the Screenshot
application, because I always want to select an area by hand. But it is
interesting that the Print Screen command always reverts the destination
folder to Pictures, no matter how often I try to change it to Desktop. But
this doesn't really solve my problem. I can find the resulting image file,
whether it is in Desktop or in Pictures. the trouble is, it is not the
present screen, but an old one, stored somewhere and regurgitated
repeatedly. So the question must be, where?


Just to clarify, are you saying that if you hit printscreen, enter a
filename, select an appropriate folder, and hit save, that it saves a
file where requested, with the correct name, but with the wrong
contents?

Colin


yep. old contents.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Screenshot: can't clear old image files, where are they


On 15/11/14 12:42, Colin Law wrote:

On 15 November 2014 12:13, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Hi,

I have upgraded to 14:10, and picked up a bug or two along the way. This one
is a nuisance, because I use screenshots a lot on my blog. Every time I try
to make a new screenshot, it just creates a new copy of an old one.
Therefore, it is storing them somewhere in a queue, and when I try to make a
new one, it puts that at the bottom of the queue and offers me a fresh
edition of the snapshot that is stuck at the top. Or a selection from
several that are stuck there, but never the new one. The official location
for all screenshots is set by me as the desktop, and I have repeatedly
deleted everything on there, including hidden files. These things must be
stored somewhere else. So where are they all, so that I can clear them, and
perhaps find some way of preventing them from accumulating like this again?


When you click on print screen (if that is how you are taking a
snapshot) what does it show for Save in Folder?

Colin



I haven't been using Print Screen, I have been using the Screenshot 
application, because I always want to select an area by hand. But it is 
interesting that the Print Screen command always reverts the destination 
folder to Pictures, no matter how often I try to change it to Desktop. 
But this doesn't really solve my problem. I can find the resulting image 
file, whether it is in Desktop or in Pictures. the trouble is, it is not 
the present screen, but an old one, stored somewhere and regurgitated 
repeatedly. So the question must be, where?



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Hi,

I have upgraded to 14:10, and picked up a bug or two along the way. This 
one is a nuisance, because I use screenshots a lot on my blog. Every 
time I try to make a new screenshot, it just creates a new copy of an 
old one. Therefore, it is storing them somewhere in a queue, and when I 
try to make a new one, it puts that at the bottom of the queue and 
offers me a fresh edition of the snapshot that is stuck at the top. Or a 
selection from several that are stuck there, but never the new one. The 
official location for all screenshots is set by me as the desktop, and I 
have repeatedly deleted everything on there, including hidden files. 
These things must be stored somewhere else. So where are they all, so 
that I can clear them, and perhaps find some way of preventing them from 
accumulating like this again?


Best to all,
Rowan

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql

2013-05-16 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 16/05/13 08:45, Colin Law wrote:
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I was looking at Dash Home, not at the Software Centre. The search box I 
was talking about was the one on Dash Home. Synaptic used to be 
available direct from there, presumably because it was already 
installed. But no more. I never use the Software Centre (the red 
shopping bag). It's one of the first things I remove from my collection 
of launchers after I install (reinstall) Ubuntu. At first glance, it is 
nothing but a collection of vile commercial products (hence the shopping 
bag icon, presumably). So I had forgotten it even existed. I was 
thinking of Dash Home and the Software Centre as being one and the same.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 20:56, Liam Proven wrote:

On 15 May 2013 20:36, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Yes, well, it's possible I'm under some sort of spell. But I tried switching
off the privacy control, in case by some peculiar chain of logic that was
relevant, but it still wasn't there. There's 'Legal Notice' at the bottom
right, but nothing at the bottom left. In any case, to return to the
original query, it remains a fact that if Synaptic was available in any of
the categories of the Software Center, including 'Technical Items' if such a
thing exists, then a general search from the search box would find it, and
it doesn't. That is why people have to use the terminal to obtain Synaptic.

YES IT DOES.

Because if there is one thing that irritates me more than a bolshie
user who can't see what is in front of them, it's a user who can't see
what is in front of them and tells me I am wrong.

So I just fired up my VM with Raring installed - full clean install,
Unity, no extras - and tried it.

The first hit in Ubuntu Software Centre when I search for "Synaptic" is:

Synaptic Package Manager * (266)
Install, remove and upgrade software packages

And at the bottom of the screen, it says:

Show 8 technical items

In other words, it does EXACTLY what I have described and when you
keep telling people "you can't install Synaptic from the Ubuntu
Software Centre" you are wrong.



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simpler, and less offensive, to accept that for some reason we're 
looking at different versions of the Software Center, or different 
'pages' in it, so to speak.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 20:29, Liam Proven wrote:

On 15 May 2013 20:17, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Not in mine. I suppose we could compare screenshots. I could take a
screenshot of mine and put somewhere for you to see. I have vanilla 13.04 on
three machines, and I can testify that what you describe is not what is on
any of them.

I've been in tech support for 25 years now. I lost count before the
end of the 1980s of the number of times that users absolutely sworn
blind to me that some option I described was not on *their* screen, no
sir, no way, absolutely not.

Then I walk over to their computer, sometimes after an hour or two's
travel, and lean over their shoulder and point at their screen and
they jump and go "oh! That! I didn't realise you meant that!"

Some try, very unconvincingly, to claim that it wasn't there before,
honest, it wasn't.

Some just look sheepish.

What's more, you and I have crossed swords on this list before now,
Rowan. So I am not going to go into great length on this.

It's there. If you can't see it, it's your problem. Follow the steps
I've described, read the *very bottom line* of the Ubuntu Software
Centre window, and there it is in the status bar, on the left.

I just tried it again with a random search, from the last site I was looking at.

USC, enter "onion", hit Return.

Result, 2 hits: Tupi 2D Magic and Pizza pizza, and at the bottom,
"Show 5 technical items", in red, underlined.

It is there, it works, it shows the non-GUI and system tools that
ordinary users should generally not fiddle with. If you have not
noticed it, I really doubt that it is anything special with your
installation.

More screenshots:
http://itsfoss.com/how-to-remove-old-linux-kernel-version-in-ubuntu-12-10/

That window is *identical* to the one in 13.04's USC.



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Yes, well, it's possible I'm under some sort of spell. But I tried 
switching off the privacy control, in case by some peculiar chain of 
logic that was relevant, but it still wasn't there. There's 'Legal 
Notice' at the bottom right, but nothing at the bottom left. In any 
case, to return to the original query, it remains a fact that if 
Synaptic was available in any of the categories of the Software Center, 
including 'Technical Items' if such a thing exists, then a general 
search from the search box would find it, and it doesn't. That is why 
people have to use the terminal to obtain Synaptic.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 19:58, Liam Proven wrote:

On 15 May 2013 19:17, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Liam, that's the 11.10 version of the Software Center. It doesn't look like
that any more. :-)

It's close enough. Before I posted, I tried it, and the "technical
items" link is still there in 13.04 in exactly the same place.

It was in 12.10 as well. It's never changed.

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Not in mine. I suppose we could compare screenshots. I could take a 
screenshot of mine and put somewhere for you to see. I have vanilla 
13.04 on three machines, and I can testify that what you describe is not 
what is on any of them.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 19:04, Liam Proven wrote:

On 15 May 2013 18:59, surfer  wrote:

I have opened it using both the methods you suggested and yes I am
prompted for a password. However, the Apply button is still greyed out.

You realise that it remains greyed out until you've selected some
actions - installation/removal/upgrades - right?

Here is how to find the "technical items" link:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/74657/uninstall-deb-installed-through-software-center

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Liam, that's the 11.10 version of the Software Center. It doesn't look 
like that any more. :-)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 19:06, surfer wrote:

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 18:45 +0100, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

On 15/05/13 17:33, surfer wrote:

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 17:20 +0100, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

On 15/05/13 17:09, Colin Law wrote:

On 15 May 2013 16:51, surfer  wrote:

I have just updated my system to 12.10.

I have been looking for both recent versions of Java and Postgresql, but
cannot find a key or lock that I can use to download them. Before I used
Synaptec, which seems no longer to exist.

I wonder if somebody could assist me

You can use the Software Center for installing applications, or if you
want to use synaptic then install that either using the Software
Center or, in a terminal,
sudo apt-get install synaptic

Colin

Actually, you can't get Synaptic via the Software Center. I'm sure
Patrick tried that before posting. Indeed, we all tried it, and the
absence of Synaptic from the Software Center has occasioned a lot of
unfavourable comment. But of course you can get it with the terminal.

Thank you Rowan. I have managed to download Synaptic through apt-get,
but for some reason I cannot seem to use the Apply button as it has been
greyed out. Consequently, I am relying on apt-get to download all of the
packages I need.

Perhaps I should have downloaded a text only version  of Debian.

However, many thanks

Patrick Mulvey



Once you have installed it via the terminal, then it will become
available in the Software Center when you enter the first few letters of
its name in the search box. I don't know what Liam is talking about
vis-a-vis a Technical Applications option in the Software Center: I
don't see that option. have noticed other people (on Launchpad, I think)
complaining that since 12.10, Synaptic simply wasn't as easily available
as it had previously been, and could not be found by using the search
bar in the Software Center, which would seem to indicate it isn't there
in any of the Software Center categories, until you get it via the Terminal.

Anyway, Patrick, the reason you are seeing a greyed out Apply button is
that you have opened it without authenticating yourself, which it ought
to ask you to do. Therefore you are seeing it in a view only mode. What
I always do is, having found it, drag and drop the launcher icon into my
launchers and lock it there. After that, it will ask for authentication
each time I open it and having received authentication, it will give me
full access including Apply to add or remove whatever I wish. You need
to get it to ask for your authentication before it opens. I don't know
why it hasn't warned you that without authentication, you will have a
view only mode. It did that to me once. But it is just a matter of how
exactly you attempt to launch it.


Thank you for responding Rowan.

On opening it whether by clicking on the icon or running it as a
command, I am prompted to authenticate myself, which I do without
difficulty, but the button is still greyed out.

Many thanks

Patrick Mulvey




That suggests to me that you aren't logged in as the owner but as a 
guest, and so your rights are restricted even when you authenticate. It 
sounds elementary, but I can't think of any other explanation. Have a 
look at the drop-down that appears when you click on the shutdown/change 
user icon in the extreme top right corner, at the end of the menu bar. 
This sounds too obvious to be worth saying, but I can't think of 
anything else.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 17:33, surfer wrote:

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 17:20 +0100, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

On 15/05/13 17:09, Colin Law wrote:

On 15 May 2013 16:51, surfer  wrote:

I have just updated my system to 12.10.

I have been looking for both recent versions of Java and Postgresql, but
cannot find a key or lock that I can use to download them. Before I used
Synaptec, which seems no longer to exist.

I wonder if somebody could assist me

You can use the Software Center for installing applications, or if you
want to use synaptic then install that either using the Software
Center or, in a terminal,
sudo apt-get install synaptic

Colin

Actually, you can't get Synaptic via the Software Center. I'm sure
Patrick tried that before posting. Indeed, we all tried it, and the
absence of Synaptic from the Software Center has occasioned a lot of
unfavourable comment. But of course you can get it with the terminal.



Thank you Rowan. I have managed to download Synaptic through apt-get,
but for some reason I cannot seem to use the Apply button as it has been
greyed out. Consequently, I am relying on apt-get to download all of the
packages I need.

Perhaps I should have downloaded a text only version  of Debian.

However, many thanks

Patrick Mulvey


Once you have installed it via the terminal, then it will become 
available in the Software Center when you enter the first few letters of 
its name in the search box. I don't know what Liam is talking about 
vis-a-vis a Technical Applications option in the Software Center: I 
don't see that option. have noticed other people (on Launchpad, I think) 
complaining that since 12.10, Synaptic simply wasn't as easily available 
as it had previously been, and could not be found by using the search 
bar in the Software Center, which would seem to indicate it isn't there 
in any of the Software Center categories, until you get it via the Terminal.


Anyway, Patrick, the reason you are seeing a greyed out Apply button is 
that you have opened it without authenticating yourself, which it ought 
to ask you to do. Therefore you are seeing it in a view only mode. What 
I always do is, having found it, drag and drop the launcher icon into my 
launchers and lock it there. After that, it will ask for authentication 
each time I open it and having received authentication, it will give me 
full access including Apply to add or remove whatever I wish. You need 
to get it to ask for your authentication before it opens. I don't know 
why it hasn't warned you that without authentication, you will have a 
view only mode. It did that to me once. But it is just a matter of how 
exactly you attempt to launch it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packages for Java and Postgresql


On 15/05/13 17:09, Colin Law wrote:

On 15 May 2013 16:51, surfer  wrote:

I have just updated my system to 12.10.

I have been looking for both recent versions of Java and Postgresql, but
cannot find a key or lock that I can use to download them. Before I used
Synaptec, which seems no longer to exist.

I wonder if somebody could assist me

You can use the Software Center for installing applications, or if you
want to use synaptic then install that either using the Software
Center or, in a terminal,
sudo apt-get install synaptic

Colin

Actually, you can't get Synaptic via the Software Center. I'm sure 
Patrick tried that before posting. Indeed, we all tried it, and the 
absence of Synaptic from the Software Center has occasioned a lot of 
unfavourable comment. But of course you can get it with the terminal.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Well, like I said, I've got three machines, all set up identically with 
vanilla 13.04 64-bit ISO from the same USB stick, and AFAICS it only 
happens on one of them, which unfortunately is my favourite, an old 
Lenovo N500 with a really comfortable touchpad. Rhythmbox cannot play 
two albums in succession, even immediate succession, without being 
closed and reopened.


I didn't acknowledge Phill's statement that he would let me know of 
guidance for installing Rhythmbox 2.99 from the FTP package. But I look 
forward to that. Thanks, Phill.


By the way, do you remember I mentioned the absence of the unread mail 
indicator on the Thunderbird launcher? I reported it as a bug on 
Launchpad.net and was immediately informed it had already been reported, 
twice, and will be fixed.


On 10/05/13 20:11, Neil Greenwood wrote:


Top- posting because the rest of the thread is...

I have rhythmbox running fine in 13.04, with 6000+ tracks (not sure 
how many albums). I've had it open since I booted, about 2 weeks ago. 
I suspend every night too. Plays fine, although I have seen problems 
like those mentioned previously.


Neil.

On 10 May 2013 15:19, "Phill Whiteside" <mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:

>
> I use gmail, so it all appears in the correct order to me. I believe 
there is a seperate thread on the way email clients work.

>
> As Rhythmbox is searching my music collection, I don't want to 
stress the computer out too much - It's using 100% of one of my two CPU's.

>
> I'll have a look at what is needed for 2.99 and let you know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 10 May 2013 15:08, Rowan Berkeley <mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>
>> H'mm. I've also tried reinstalling from the repository, using 
Synaptic, and it doesn't make any difference, and looking at it, the 
thing in the repository is also 2.98. But if I was to download 2.99 
from the FTP page you indicated, wouldn't I have to do all the 
configuration manually? That would be totally beyond me. By the way, 
we shouldn't be top posting like this. It forces people to read the 
conversation from bottom to top as well as from top to bottom.

>>
>>
>> On 10/05/13 14:44, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>>
>>> 13.04 has installed 2.98 have a check on 'help --> about"
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phill
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley <mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>> According to that ftp page, 2.99 was the last version they made 
before they stopped, evidently imagining it was as perfect as it could 
ever be. I assume that's what I've got, because I assume that's what's 
delivered in the complete Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit ISO, which is what I 
have installed.

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/05/13 14:21, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just while I install it and vlc, it is time to ask the usual 
silly question... So do forgive me!

>>>>>
>>>>> Have you got the latest version from 
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/

>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a VLC fan, but have had rhythmbox running well in the past 
with a large library.

>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Phill.
>>>>> P.S. this is a clean 13.04 lubuntu install, so I need to 'add' 
things to it :)

>>>>>
>>>>> On 10 May 2013 14:07, Rowan Berkeley <mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/05/13 13:55, Alan Pope wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall, 
previously), it
>>>>>>>> is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for 
instance
>>>>>>>> having played an album to leave it running and an hour later 
to try to
>>>>>>>> play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it will skip 
through

>>>>>>>> tracks at great speed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds like your media is on a mounted / removable device 
which has since gone away / been unmounted? The skipping through 
tracks is often when it says "ok, what track is next, lets play it, 
oh, it's gone, ok, next track.. " etc.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mean it looks for them one after another in rapid 
succession and doesn't find them; I mean it literally skips through 
each track, jumping e.g. thirty seconds at a time. But this is just 
the commonest immediate symptom of a general haywireness that sets in 
if it has been left running but idle for more than a few minutes. By 
the way, AFAIK, I only have this on one of my three machines, but they 
are all identically set up, with completely fresh installs of 13.04 
and then all files, including the 1850+ albums, reloaded from an 
external hard drive. This takes an hour or two for each fresh install, 
but it gives me maximum free space, so I do it happily, rather than 
install the new versions keeping the old files and settings.

>>>>>>



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

H'mm. I've also tried reinstalling from the repository, using Synaptic, 
and it doesn't make any difference, and looking at it, the thing in the 
repository is also 2.98. But if I was to download 2.99 from the FTP page 
you indicated, wouldn't I have to do all the configuration manually? 
That would be totally beyond me. By the way, we shouldn't be top posting 
like this. It forces people to read the conversation from bottom to top 
as well as from top to bottom.


On 10/05/13 14:44, Phill Whiteside wrote:

13.04 has installed 2.98 have a check on 'help --> about"

Regards,

Phill


On 10 May 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley <mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:


According to that ftp page, 2.99 was the last version they made
before they stopped, evidently imagining it was as perfect as it
could ever be. I assume that's what I've got, because I assume
that's what's delivered in the complete Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit ISO,
which is what I have installed.


On 10/05/13 14:21, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Just while I install it and vlc, it is time to ask the usual
silly question... So do forgive me!

Have you got the latest version from
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/

I'm a VLC fan, but have had rhythmbox running well in the past
with a large library.

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. this is a clean 13.04 lubuntu install, so I need to 'add'
things to it :)

On 10 May 2013 14:07, Rowan Berkeley mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 10/05/13 13:55, Alan Pope wrote:

On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can
recall, previously), it
is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use,
ie for instance
having played an album to leave it running and an
hour later to try to
play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it
will skip through
tracks at great speed,


That sounds like your media is on a mounted / removable
device which has since gone away / been unmounted? The
skipping through tracks is often when it says "ok, what
track is next, lets play it, oh, it's gone, ok, next
track.. " etc.

Cheers,

I don't mean it looks for them one after another in rapid
succession and doesn't find them; I mean it literally skips
through each track, jumping e.g. thirty seconds at a time.
But this is just the commonest immediate symptom of a general
haywireness that sets in if it has been left running but idle
for more than a few minutes. By the way, AFAIK, I only have
this on one of my three machines, but they are all
identically set up, with completely fresh installs of 13.04
and then all files, including the 1850+ albums, reloaded from
an external hard drive. This takes an hour or two for each
fresh install, but it gives me maximum free space, so I do it
happily, rather than install the new versions keeping the old
files and settings.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

According to that ftp page, 2.99 was the last version they made before 
they stopped, evidently imagining it was as perfect as it could ever be. 
I assume that's what I've got, because I assume that's what's delivered 
in the complete Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit ISO, which is what I have installed.


On 10/05/13 14:21, Phill Whiteside wrote:
Just while I install it and vlc, it is time to ask the usual silly 
question... So do forgive me!


Have you got the latest version from 
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/


I'm a VLC fan, but have had rhythmbox running well in the past with a 
large library.


Regards,

Phill.
P.S. this is a clean 13.04 lubuntu install, so I need to 'add' things 
to it :)


On 10 May 2013 14:07, Rowan Berkeley <mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 10/05/13 13:55, Alan Pope wrote:

On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall,
previously), it
is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for
instance
having played an album to leave it running and an hour
later to try to
play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it will
skip through
tracks at great speed,


That sounds like your media is on a mounted / removable device
which has since gone away / been unmounted? The skipping
through tracks is often when it says "ok, what track is next,
lets play it, oh, it's gone, ok, next track.. " etc.

Cheers,

I don't mean it looks for them one after another in rapid
succession and doesn't find them; I mean it literally skips
through each track, jumping e.g. thirty seconds at a time. But
this is just the commonest immediate symptom of a general
haywireness that sets in if it has been left running but idle for
more than a few minutes. By the way, AFAIK, I only have this on
one of my three machines, but they are all identically set up,
with completely fresh installs of 13.04 and then all files,
including the 1850+ albums, reloaded from an external hard drive.
This takes an hour or two for each fresh install, but it gives me
maximum free space, so I do it happily, rather than install the
new versions keeping the old files and settings.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox


On 10/05/13 13:55, Alan Pope wrote:

On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall, previously), it
is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for instance
having played an album to leave it running and an hour later to try to
play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it will skip through
tracks at great speed,


That sounds like your media is on a mounted / removable device which 
has since gone away / been unmounted? The skipping through tracks is 
often when it says "ok, what track is next, lets play it, oh, it's 
gone, ok, next track.. " etc.


Cheers,
I don't mean it looks for them one after another in rapid succession and 
doesn't find them; I mean it literally skips through each track, jumping 
e.g. thirty seconds at a time. But this is just the commonest immediate 
symptom of a general haywireness that sets in if it has been left 
running but idle for more than a few minutes. By the way, AFAIK, I only 
have this on one of my three machines, but they are all identically set 
up, with completely fresh installs of 13.04 and then all files, 
including the 1850+ albums, reloaded from an external hard drive. This 
takes an hour or two for each fresh install, but it gives me maximum 
free space, so I do it happily, rather than install the new versions 
keeping the old files and settings.


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[ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox


Hi,

I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall, previously), it 
is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for instance 
having played an album to leave it running and an hour later to try to 
play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it will skip through 
tracks at great speed, and then freeze when you try to stop it, becoming 
difficult to close. Once, it started playing two tracks at once, from 
the same album, which I would have hoped was impossible. The only safe 
thing to do is to close it after each use. I have a very large library 
(1850 albums or so), which probably overtaxes it. I've tried repeated 
reinstallations but it makes no difference. What threads there are on 
Ubuntu Forum regarding this sort of thing are just fatalistic, saying 
all players are cranky, espcially with large libraries, and that's life. 
But suggestions for tightening it up in any way would be welcome.


Rowan

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[ubuntu-uk] Interesting 13.04 bug(s)

2013-05-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

I've had this/these, today. First you find there's no sound, then if you 
go to restart, you find the shutdown sequence hangs, and you have to use 
the power button to switch the machine off. Only advice offered at this 
point is to revert to the previous kernel.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2136303

I have noticed previously that the shutdown sequence seemed kinda buggy: 
too fast, no purple Ubuntu shutdown screen, no messages after speech 
dispatcher (ie no "system is going down for halt NOW!" for instance); 
just the speech dispatcher message, then a click, like that of a hard 
shutdown from the power button, and total offness. But I haven't noticed 
the sort of errors that usually result during the following session 
after a hard shutdown.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] No new mail notifications from Thunderbird in 13.04

2013-05-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley

Yup, I have that installed by default, as you say. I was wrong about the 
envelope icon in the Menu Bar not turning blue: I just saw it do so. I 
have an impression it reverts to white after a short interval, even if 
the email is not read. But anyway, it's only the horizontal bar across 
the launcher icon which isn't working. And that is certainly the more 
noticeable of the two. I've sometimes seen this happen after upgrades 
before, because the link involved is obviously hard to integrate, 
involving two completely different packages contributed by different 
teams, Thunderbird and the Unity Desktop people.


On 03/05/13 15:19, James Tait wrote:

On 03/05/13 14:00, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

I'm not seeing the two useful notifications that I usually had in
12.10 and 12.04. I'm not talking about the optional balloon
notification, I'm talking about:

If you go to the Tools > Add-ons menu in Thunderbird, do you have the
Messaging and Unity Launcher integration add-on installed?  It
*should* be installed as part of the Thunderbird package from the
standard Ubuntu repos, but maybe it's disabled, or maybe Thunderbird
is installed from a PPA?




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[ubuntu-uk] No new mail notifications from Thunderbird in 13.04

2013-05-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley


Hi,

I'm not seeing the two useful notifications that I usually had in 12.10 
and 12.04. I'm not talking about the optional balloon notification, I'm 
talking about:
(a) the horizontal bar that should appear across the Thunderbird 
launcher icon, with the number of new emails in it, similar to the one 
that appears across the Software Updater launcher icon when new updates 
are ready for installation;
(b) the envelope icon in the Menu Bar should turn blue when new mail 
arrives.
I expect these widgets are still there in Thunderbird, but the links to 
the desktop manager are broken in the 13.04 Desktop Manager. Otherwise 
13.04 seems almost identical in behaviour to 13.10. The Files launcher 
and the Software Updater icon have a new appearance, but everything else 
is basically unchanged. These assessments apply to all three machines 
I've upgraded to 13.04



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[ubuntu-uk] More interesting things about wireless drivers

2013-05-02 Thread Rowan Berkeley

I've just been upgrading my oldest machine, a Lenovo N500, and here is 
another interesting feature of the wireless driver landscape. Whereas 
the Compaq machine seemed to find the wireless driver already on board, 
and installed it automatically, the Lenovo machine lost the necessary 
driver it already had, during the upgrade, and had to be connected with 
a network cable after upgrade from the USB stick, so that it could find 
the necessary driver (Broadcom) in bcmwl-kernel-source (proprietory). In 
this case I had to go to Software and Updates Additional Drivers tab to 
OK it. But there are a range of possibilities here: maybe in some cases 
it will find online, download and install automatically, given the 
temporary connection via the network cable. So even if you have a 
machine which is wireless capable before the upgrade, you might need to 
switch to network cable during the upgrade.


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[ubuntu-uk] Wireless in 13.04

2013-04-29 Thread Rowan Berkeley


Hi,

I posted a message to the effect that the procedure for reinstalling the 
Ralink RT3290 wireless driver, which worked on 12.10, doesn't work after 
online upgrade to 13.04. Since posting that, I found an online report at 
askubuntu.com which gave the exact same error messages as mine:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/285163/ralink-rt3290-cant-be-installed

I have found that the best solution is to put a copy of the 64-bit 
version of 13.04 on a USB stick then do a complete reinstall from the 
stick. If you do this, the Ralink RT3290 wireless driver will be found 
and configured correctly and permanently. But not when you use the 
online upgrade from the Ubuntu site. This is similar to the problem I 
had with the boot protect in UEFI BIOS. There also, the USB stick with 
the 64-bit version was the answer.






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[ubuntu-uk] Reinstall wireless driver doesn't work in 13.04

2013-04-27 Thread Rowan Berkeley


This is what happens when I try to 'make' the wireless driver.

root@rowan-Compaq:/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508# make
make -C tools
make[1]: Entering directory 
`/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/tools'

gcc -g bin2h.c -o bin2h
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/tools'

/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/tools/bin2h
cp -f os/linux/Makefile.6 
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/Makefile
make -C /lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/build 
SUBDIRS=/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux modules

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic'
  CC [M] 
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../common/rtmp_mcu.o
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../common/rtmp_mcu.c: 
In function ‘RtmpAsicSendCommandToMcu’:
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../common/rtmp_mcu.c:464:8: 
warning: unused variable ‘offset’ [-Wunused-variable]
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../common/rtmp_mcu.c:463:8: 
warning: unused variable ‘Configuration’ [-Wunused-variable]
  CC [M] 
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.o
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:43:23: 
error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before 
‘rt2860_remove_one’
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:44:22: 
error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before 
‘rt2860_probe’
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:63:46: 
error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before 
‘__devinitdata’
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:85:17: 
error: ‘rt2860_pci_tbl’ undeclared here (not in a function)
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:86:17: 
error: ‘rt2860_probe’ undeclared here (not in a function)
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:88:5: 
error: implicit declaration of function ‘__devexit_p’ 
[-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:88:29: 
error: ‘rt2860_remove_one’ undeclared here (not in a function)
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:292:24: 
error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before 
‘rt2860_probe’
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:463:23: 
error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before 
‘rt2860_remove_one’
/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.c:71:1: 
error: ‘__mod_pci_device_table’ aliased to undefined symbol ‘rt2860_pci_tbl’

cc1: some warnings being treated as errors
make[2]: *** 
[/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux/../../os/linux/pci_main_dev.o] 
Error 1
make[1]: *** 
[_module_/home/rowan/DPO_RT3290_LinuxSTA_V2600_20120508/os/linux] Error 2

make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic'
make: *** [LINUX] Error 2

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers

2013-04-23 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 23/04/13 20:36, Daniel Llewellyn wrote:

Debian (and thus Ubuntu) has the feature of DKMS which allows a package
to flag to apt that it needs reconfiguring after a kernel update. AFAIK,
dpkg will run the configure step of installation again for those
so-flagged packages to give them a chance to recompile any kernel
interfaces.

The nvidia and fglrx (amd/ati) drivers, for example, utilise DKMS to
recompile their shim between the binary proprietary driver and the gpl
kernel to allow them to get away with not licensing their driver under
the GPL (rant away over this pseudo-gpl-violation, please! :-p).

DKMS requires the package maintainer to jump through some hoops, but
once that's done the end-user experience is vastly improved.

On 23 April 2013 10:24, Kris Douglas mailto:krisdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I do believe this depends on the card in use, some drivers have
slightly different conditions compared to others. I know for example
some modules recompile themselves when the kernel is updated. I'm
confident Linux Emporium choose devices that work exceptionally well
with Linux (or specifically Debian-derived distributions).

Kris

On 23 April 2013 09:59, Rowan Berkeley mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > You recall we talked about the hassle of having to re-install
wireless
 > drivers after every kernel update. I've noticed that neither of
the Lenovo
 > machines which I got from Linux Emporium suffers from this
problem: they've
 > both received multiple kernel updates. So I rang Linux Emporium
to see if I
 > could find out how they lock the wireless drivers in so
effectively. What
 > they said was that they use the Debian packages when converting
the Lenovo
 > machines to Ubuntu, and that these Debian packages contain the
wherewithal
 > to lock the wireless drivers in permanently. Does this make
sense, and if
 > so, could the relevant material be incorporated directly into Ubuntu?
 >
 > Rowan
 >
>

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Ah, yes, DKMS again, that explains it. Now if only we could just have 
DKMS packaged up for automatic installation in the Synaptic package 
manager. As it is, you need quite a bit of savvy to install DKMS, more 
than I've got, for sure.

:')

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[ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers

2013-04-23 Thread Rowan Berkeley


Hi,

You recall we talked about the hassle of having to re-install wireless 
drivers after every kernel update. I've noticed that neither of the 
Lenovo machines which I got from Linux Emporium suffers from this 
problem: they've both received multiple kernel updates. So I rang Linux 
Emporium to see if I could find out how they lock the wireless drivers 
in so effectively. What they said was that they use the Debian packages 
when converting the Lenovo machines to Ubuntu, and that these Debian 
packages contain the wherewithal to lock the wireless drivers in 
permanently. Does this make sense, and if so, could the relevant 
material be incorporated directly into Ubuntu?


Rowan

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advent Touch Print printer ....

2013-04-12 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 12/04/13 19:31, Jim Price wrote:

On 12/04/13 13:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


It's interesting that you mention a shell script there, because I have
become very fond of my Compaq laptop, even though every time it gets a
kernel update I have to reinstall the wireless driver, and I have been
thinking that it ought to be possible to automate the reinstallation.
This is as far as I can think it through: at each startup the script
should check whether wireless is running, and if not it should grab the
driver package (kept in the home folder), and do make, make install, and
modprobe on it. How easy would that be?


A framework for that already exists. It's called DKMS. Here's the Ubuntu
help doc on it:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS

Thanks, in fact I looked at that once before but decided it was a bit 
over my head. I can see it's the right answer, though.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advent Touch Print printer ....

2013-04-12 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 12/04/13 13:27, Barry Drake wrote:

On 11/04/13 16:52, Jones, Victor wrote:

I'm really pleased with everything except the lack of help with Linux.
PC World completely stonewall questions about Linux, and the Kodak
website is less than helpful.  After a lot of research on the
internet, I have got
the printer up and running OK and as I say, I am pleased with it.

That sounds like a perfect example of why manufactures and vendors
don't provide better support for linux.  They basically tell us up
front that they don't support linux, then people go ahead and give
them their money regardless.
Whenever I'm looking at buying hardware, I check for linux
compatibility first.  I'll often also email manufacturers directly to
let them know I am about to make a purchase and ask if they support
linux, just to raise awareness that they may be loosing sales.  I
appreciate the debugging info to get it working, however we'd be
better off in the long term if we used our money to support those who
do provide (at least some level of) linux support.


Hi there ...   Oh, I agree entirely.  My other printer is a Brother, and
is supported moderately well - although it is a bit of a pain to install
the drivers even with a shell script I have written.  Good printer though.

The new Advent printer is excellent - apart from support.  Obviously I
have written a strong letter about this to PC World customer support.  I
don't expect a result, but maybe if enough of us complain to them, they
might listen!  I suspect that companies such as PC World will have to
change policy now that there is a big decline in Desktop computing in
favour of tablets.  Android now seems to be very much on the increase
and if nothing else, it is Linux based    We'll just have to wait
and see.

As for research prior to making a purchase, I normally do this very
thoroughly - this was why I went to PC World expecting to come out with
an HP printer that is properly supported.  The rest of the story was
more impulse than reason    Shame on me!  Next time, I will be
buying on the internet rather than from a store.

Regards,Barry.

It's interesting that you mention a shell script there, because I have 
become very fond of my Compaq laptop, even though every time it gets a 
kernel update I have to reinstall the wireless driver, and I have been 
thinking that it ought to be possible to automate the reinstallation. 
This is as far as I can think it through: at each startup the script 
should check whether wireless is running, and if not it should grab the 
driver package (kept in the home folder), and do make, make install, and 
modprobe on it. How easy would that be?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video for dual-boot with UEFI Secure Boot

2013-02-26 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 26/02/13 10:39, James Tait wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi all,

Following on from the recent discussions about UEFI Secure Boot, this
dropped into my Inbox over the weekend.  It's a series of three videos
that may or may not help to explain what goes on during installation
of a dual-boot UEFI system with Secure Boot enabled.

- ---8<---
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk2sjg_-F-McRbCBoVRkP1sYMbmDf6zJM

My video series on dual-boot with Win8 & Ubuntu 12.10 using UEFI secure
Boot. The Ubuntu-focused segment is in Part 3. It's not exactly
Mythbusters, but I hope it helps dispel a lot of the UEFI Secure Boot
nonsense.
- ---8<---


I watched the first of these and looked at the associated website, but I 
can't see why I should want to go through all this so that I can run in 
Secure Boot mode. The declared purpose of the Secure Boot system is to 
protect the end user against malicious code contained within a 
supposedly innocent alternative Operating System package. There is no 
reason to assume that this is likely to be found in Ubuntu (or afaik any 
other) alternative OS package. It's a phantom threat to justify what is 
really an attempt to discourage alternative OS as such.


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[ubuntu-uk] They've fixed the black square in Firefox

2013-02-20 Thread Rowan Berkeley


It's gone, as of today's Firefox update.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)

2013-02-19 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 19/02/13 17:40, Gareth France wrote:

On 19/02/13 17:14, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she
had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the
first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful
installation without having disabled all the security features in the
BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package,
that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an
unambiguous yes or no from her on this.


64bit Ubuntu 12.10 can install itself on a modern machine with all the
security (lol) features enabled. it's supposed to do that. If she
created the USB stick wrong that is probably the reason it didn't work.
Although I don't really understand how you can install from an
incorrectly made stick.


Yeah, I'm saying she had to make the stick again.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)

2013-02-19 Thread Rowan Berkeley

My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had 
to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first 
time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful 
installation without having disabled all the security features in the 
BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, 
that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an 
unambiguous yes or no from her on this.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)

2013-02-18 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 18/02/13 22:39, Alan Bell wrote:

On 15/02/13 17:43, Alan Pope wrote:

On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

He says: "Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the
traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows
8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2
seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination."



That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic.

Cheers,

this is specifically why grub uses shift as the interupt key, it is one
of the few keys that the BIOS or equivalent won't complain about if it
is pressed down on bootup. You can press and hold shift and restart and
get to the grub menu.

The author of that dicouraging claim (about the 200 millisconds) is 
Christian Cawley, who says he is a freelance writer from the UK with 
seven years' experience in technical support across a range of device 
platforms and operating systems.


I think I've almost got my friend in Denmark sorted out. We've reached 
the stage where I exasperatedly tell her that she isn't answering my 
important questions, no matter how many times I pose them. But The Goal 
is within sight.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)

2013-02-17 Thread Rowan Berkeley

My friend in Denmark has finally got into the BIOS on her Fujitsu 
machine (the one on she installed Ubuntu to replace Windows 8 without 
making the necessary alterations in the BIOS settings first), by hitting 
F2 when she sees the Fujitsu logo. She has sent me a series of photos of 
the screens. It seems that she made a USB stick on her old Windows 
machine, using the special application recommended for doing this on a 
Windows machine, and installed Ubuntu 12.10 on the new machine using 
that. There are six photos of the successive BIOS screens. The BIOS is 
called "Phoenix SecureCore Tiano Setup". The six screens it offers are 
called Info, System, Advanced, Security, Boot and Exit. Here are 
descriptions of what they show.


(1) There is no photo for the first one, Info.
(2) System shows System Time, System Date, and Drive Configurations, 
this last with an unopened sub-menu.
(3) Advanced shows Fast Boot enabled (I have told her to disable this), 
CSM disabled, PXE Boot Protocol IPv4, Legacy USB Support enabled, 
Anytime USB Charge disabled, Serial ATA Controller enabled, AHCI 
Configuration enabled, Internal Camera enabled, USB3.0 Controller 
enabled, Virtualization Technology enabled, Wake Up on LAN disabled, FAN 
Control silent, ODD Power Management enabled, Intel (R) AT Suspend Mode 
disabled.
(4) Security shows Supervisor Password is clear, User Password is clear, 
Set Supervisor Password [Enter], Set User Password [Enter], Password on 
Boot disabled, Hard Disk Security has an unopened sub-menu, and Secure 
Boot Configurations has an unopened sub-menu. I have told her to open 
this last and disable any and all secure boot options therein.

(5) Boot shows a puzzling Boot Priority Order:
1. Windows Boot Manager
2. Floppy Disk Drive:
3. Drive0 HDD:
4. CD/DVD Drive: (spec omitted)
5. NETWORK: LAN (some hex code omitted) - IPv4
6. USB HDD
7. USB CD/DVD:
8. ubuntu
Obviously the question is what the hell is 'ubuntu' (no cap, just as 
shown. I hazard it is the name she gave to the USB stick, which the 
system has now interpreted as a bootable device. My first suggestion was 
that she move this to the top of the boot order, but on second thoughts 
I decided it didn't sound like a legitimate bootable device, so I 
suggested she move DRIVE0 HDD: to the top of the list. As things stand 
now, when she exits the system goes to a Windows Boot Manager page with 
no usable options on it.
(6) Exit is the normal Exit screen, with Exit Saving Changes, Exit 
Discarding Changes, Load Setup Defaults, Discard Changes, Save Changes, 
and Save Changes and Power Off.


The four other photos she has sent me are as follows:

(1) A Windows screen of the contents of the USB stick, as viewed with 
the file browser on her old Windows machine. AFAIK, the stick is normal.


(2) The contents of the Boot Menu, which are:
1. ubuntu (highlighted)
2. Windows Boot Manager
3. CD/DVD Drive (spec omitted)
4. NETWORK: LAN ((hex code omitted) - IPv4

(3) The contents of the Applications Menu, which are:
1. BIOS Setup (highlighted)
2. Diagnostic Screen

 (4) A small warning window which says "Warning Bootable device not 
found [CONTINUE]". At the bottom of the screen, outside this little 
warning window, are the options [Enter], Select, Boot, Menu.


So, I have told her to disable Fast Boot in the Advanced tab, and any 
Secure Boot options in the Secure Boot Configurations sub-menu of the 
Security tab, and to move either 'ubuntu' or DRIVE0 HDD: to the top of 
the Boot Priority Order (I'm not sure which). But what is 'ubuntu' with 
a small 'u', and what should the correct Boot Priority Order and Boot 
Menu orders be?


BTW, messages don't archive as items in a continuous thread unless they 
are direct replies to previous messages in the thread, even if the 
Subject line is exactly identical. Is there any way round this?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


On 15/02/13 17:40, Alan Pope wrote:

On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the
Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu
12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the
Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in
fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed
to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair



F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10
on Compaq machines.

Cheers,


Quite right, Alan, it's easy if you know it's F10, and just hold it down 
during start-up. This is the same Compaq CQ58 I bought with Windows 8, 
then installed Ubuntu via a USB stick a couple of months back, then had 
some trouble installing a wireless driver just a couple of weeks ago. 
It's a perfectly normal BIOS facility, once you know how to get into it. 
But of course it isn't me who is up the creek without a paddle, it's my 
friend in Denmark, and I have emailed various extracts from this thread 
to her and suggested she join the list, I know Denmark isn't in the UK, 
but this would be the best place for her to find answers to her problem, 
wouldn't it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


On 15/02/13 17:34, Gareth France wrote:

On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the
Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu
12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the
Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in
fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed
to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair


I don't understand this whole 'F2 no longer works' thing. Bios was
accessed through a wide array of keys depending on who made the machine.
Del, CTRL+S, F1, F2, CTRL+ESC and the list goes on. Surely UEFI is
accessed in exactly the same manner isn't it?


Not according to this guy:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/

He says: "Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the 
traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 
8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 
seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination."


He then proceeds to explain how to use Windows 8's own access to UEFI 
feature.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


On 15/02/13 16:44, Alan Pope wrote:

On 15/02/13 13:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

"Windows 7 won't solve the problem, because it won't give you access to
UEFI.


What does that mean? UEFI is something which Windows 7, Windows 8,
64-bit Ubuntu, Fedora and probably other Linux distros support. It's
baked into the machine just like the BIOS used to be.

 > Windows 8 is not just software;

That's exactly what Windows 8 is, software. UEFI is not part of Windows,
if it were, what would it be doing on a 3 year old Apple MacBook Pro I
have?


it is also the PROM chips that
contain the start-up sequence, which is UEFI. You are stuck with those
PROM chips permanently, so I think you will have to go for dual boot
rather than replacing Windows 8 with Ubuntu, otherwise you'll never be
able to get to the start-up settings, which are in UEFI and are only
accessible from inside Windows 8. That's the way they've designed it.



No. Windows 8 has a utility which makes it easy for you to get to the
UEFI settings, but that doesn't mean you can't get to them via other means.


Therefore, you must:
(1) Reinstall Windows 8, and you shouldn't have to pay for this. There
should be a disk or stick or even an online package to reinstall Windows
8, where you just type in your license key number.
(2) Learn how to access UEFI from inside Windows 8, following these
instructions:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/




Or just install Ubuntu 12.04.2 or 12.10 64-bit and don't install Windows
at all as per:-

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI

Noting specifically this section:-

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#SecureBoot


Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the 
Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 
12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the 
Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in 
fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed 
to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)

I managed to get back in touch with my luckless friend in Denmark. She 
said she was thinking of installing Windows 7 on the machine, which she 
thought would give her access to BIOS. I replied as below. Comments and 
corrections will be welcome, since after all I know very little.


"Windows 7 won't solve the problem, because it won't give you access to 
UEFI. Windows 8 is not just software; it is also the PROM chips that 
contain the start-up sequence, which is UEFI. You are stuck with those 
PROM chips permanently, so I think you will have to go for dual boot 
rather than replacing Windows 8 with Ubuntu, otherwise you'll never be 
able to get to the start-up settings, which are in UEFI and are only 
accessible from inside Windows 8. That's the way they've designed it.


Therefore, you must:
(1) Reinstall Windows 8, and you shouldn't have to pay for this. There 
should be a disk or stick or even an online package to reinstall Windows 
8, where you just type in your license key number.
(2) Learn how to access UEFI from inside Windows 8, following these 
instructions:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/
(3) Install Ubuntu 64-bit 12.10 alongside, not instead of, Windows 8.
(4) Once Ubuntu 64-bit 12.10 is installed (which you already know you 
can do), then begin to experiment with UEFI settings, starting with 
"Secure Boot", until you manage to get Ubuntu booting. You may need to 
make further changes in UEFI before Ubuntu will boot. All these 
experiments will require that you can boot Windows 8 repeatedly, enter 
UEFI from inside Windows 8, change things in UEFI, then try again to 
boot Ubuntu, and so on until successful. And you will require access to 
UEFI for other reasons, from time to time, even when Ubuntu is working. 
So you must choose dual boot, and have both systems alongside each 
other. You see?"


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


On 14/02/13 19:29, Dave Morley wrote:

On 14/02/13 19:24, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote:

On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical
reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it
and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite
my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has
no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her
that Ubuntu can't boot because "Secure Boot" in the UEFI won't
let it. It would be interesting to know whether the
installation direct from the website would have worked if she
had switched off "Secure Boot" first, as I told her she had to
do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the
USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from
where she is, is there? Before anyone says, "Can't she get into
it by pressing  F2 during start-up?", the answer is no:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/


Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu? Secure boot is only available
on 64bit. 64bit quantal +  at that,


I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the
license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu
package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare
say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or
two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a
64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my
instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal
direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off "Secure
Boot" in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside
Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it.
Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having
served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to
occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the
option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is,
bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the
machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the
traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so
there is no way for her now to access it and switch off "Secure
Boot". So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a
GRUB screen telling her so.


No, you can access the UEFI, it just might not be F2. You can turn off
secure boot from the UEFI. But my point is you don't need too, with
Quantal 64bit it is signed so it can install on a machine that has
UEFI and Secureboot in place. By the way, it still normally is F2.


Well, in her case it has got stuck in the way I have described. I've 
sent her an email to try and get her back in contact. Until I can relay 
your suggestions to her and get her responses, there isn't much more I 
can say.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote:

On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical
reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and
tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my
detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no
Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that
Ubuntu can't boot because "Secure Boot" in the UEFI won't let it.
It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct
from the website would have worked if she had switched off
"Secure Boot" first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent
consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method
will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is
there? Before anyone says, "Can't she get into it by pressing  F2 during
start-up?", the answer is no:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/


Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu,  Secure boot is only available
on 64bit. 64bit quantal +  at that,

I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key 
built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to 
install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will 
respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she 
confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, 
because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that 
she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, 
but failed to switch off "Secure Boot" in UEFI beforehand, which should 
have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn 
them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the 
license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the 
installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather 
than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she 
is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the 
machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional 
point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for 
her now to access it and switch off "Secure Boot". So the Ubuntu Quantal 
can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

Hi,

An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach)
just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to
install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations
and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a
GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because "Secure Boot" in
the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the
installation direct from the website would have worked if she had
switched off "Secure Boot" first, as I told her she had to do. The
apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method
will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there?


Before anyone says, "Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during 
start-up?", the answer is no:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/


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[ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)


Hi,

An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) 
just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to 
install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations 
and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a 
GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because "Secure Boot" in 
the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the 
installation direct from the website would have worked if she had 
switched off "Secure Boot" first, as I told her she had to do. The 
apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method 
will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu unusably slow

2013-02-07 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 07/02/13 09:52, Gareth France wrote:

On 06/02/13 23:41, Philip Stubbs wrote:

On 6 February 2013 23:05, Gareth France mailto:gareth.fra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

To the best of my knowledge I wasn't using Adobe Air at the time.
And as for Flash, of course I don't choose how others design their
sites.


But you can choose what software to run on your computer. Have you
tried a flash blocker? Or a different browser? Or a different version
of the flash plugin? If you open the same tabs in Chrome, does it
behave differently? I seem to remember that Chrome comes with its own
flash plugin, so may well be worth a try. It could be that the new
machine hits a bug in the flash plugin that the old machine did not.


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Yes, I can choose not to use flash in much the same way as I can choose
to drive my car without wheels! It's an unfortunate fact of life that
some of the websites I use require it. I can try chrome and see how it goes.


Another good thing about Flashblock is that you can exempt chosen sites 
(eg your blog) fromm blocking. I routinely install Flashblock and 
Adblock Plus every time set up Firefox.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com

2013-02-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 06/02/13 13:37, Paula Graham wrote:

I also buy from PCSpecialist, their laptops are a similar Clevo chassis
to the Zoostorm but you get higher spec for lower price with the
Zoostorm laptop. I just bought a PCSpecialist mini ITX since Zoostorm
desktop boxes sound like low-flying aircraft. I bought the Zoostorm
laptop to replace a Lenovo G500 which I accidentally left in Starbucks
on Freiburg Central Station before xmas. The Lenovo was fine but it
weighed a ton, I had to pay Windows tax on it (not available naked) and
the spec per £ ratio is even lower with low-end Lenovos than it is with
the (naked) PCSpecialist Clevos.

the more expensive PC specialist laptops have prettier cases, I'd rather
have the RAM though ;)

Paula


Linux Emporium do quite a range of Lenovo's with Ubuntu ready installed. 
I suppose when you rate the machines against the prices, you find that 
for any given price you're getting less of a machine, because the margin 
they charge for the installation is not inconsiderable. But they do work 
- even the radio interfaces, and for all I know, the Bluetooth 
interfaces too. Their installations, incidentally, are quite elaborate 
multi-partition affairs, probably intended for developers rather than 
mere nerds like me. When you run a major upgrade on them, you have the 
option of losing all that and getting some more free space.


Rowan


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 05/02/13 19:29, Mark Einon wrote:

Ok, looks like the same issue, in that the kernel isn't quite recent
enough to support this device.

I'd suggest giving the instructions in the link I posted earlier a go.
It may need to be patched to work, if so, It's not a biggie - let me
know if it doesn't compile:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690



Cheers,

Mark



It worked! Now, we need some way of directing people away from all the 
erroneous Ubuntu Forums pages that also say [SOLVED] but don't work, 
like the one I followed, which was:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267

Better still, we need those nice peoples at Canonical to build this 
stuff into the system, at least as a written package of instructions 
which will appear at the necessary point in the set-up process, if not 
as a fully automated wizard.


Thank you very much for your patient help, Mark, and apologies to 
everyone else who has had to put up with all this.


Rowan

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


Hi Mark,

Here we are. I can see what I did wrong: I screwed up r8169, which is 
the Ethernet driver, thinking it was maybe a rival wireless driver. 
Definitely my bad.


uname -a
linuc rowan-Compaq 3.5.0-23-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP [date & time]

sudo lshw -C network
*-network
description: Ethernet interface
product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@:03:00.0
logical name: eth0
version: 05
serial: b4:b5:2f:38:ea:21
size: 100Mbit/s
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master Cap_list ethernet 
physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 
driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex-full firmware-rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw 
ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
resources: irq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) memory:7f004000-7f004fff memory 
7f00-7f003fff

*-network UNCLAIMED
description: Network controller
product: Ralink Corp.
vendor: Ralink Corp.
Physical id: 0
bus info: pci@.04.00.0
version: 00
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
configuration: latency=0
resources: memory:911-9011

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 05/02/13 12:49, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


I've given the machine a complete 12.10 reinstall from the USB stick, so
as to start again without the ill effects of whatever I did previously,
fixing which could have gone on forever. In a minute I shall be able to
see what I've got and what I've not.


OK, I'm back where I started, after a few hiccups and restarts. Wireless 
network controller unclaimed. But at least I've got a nice clean 
machine. Now what was that command again that gave the mammoth, 
comprehensive read-out you find so informative?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 05/02/13 11:55, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


No, the machine is running 12.10, but I downgraded the kernel to
3.5.0-22 because I broke 3.5.0-23's Ethernet interface somehow with my
tinkering. So, before proceeding with your suggestion, I decided to
reinstall 3.5.0-23 and see if it worked. And when I restarted with
3.5.0-23, I found I'd lost the Ethernet connection again. Really, I need
to fix that first.


I've given the machine a complete 12.10 reinstall from the USB stick, so 
as to start again without the ill effects of whatever I did previously, 
fixing which could have gone on forever. In a minute I shall be able to 
see what I've got and what I've not.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 05/02/13 11:32, Mark Einon wrote:

It appears that the chip you have is quite new,
and is only supported for newer kernels - for some reason I had it in
my head that the laptop was quite old. As you have a 2.5.0 kernel, I
assume you're on 12.04 - so I think this may help, short of compiling
a newer kernel:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690

or, looks like the same post:

http://droid-hive.com/index.php?/topic/1272-how-to-install-ralink-rt3290-wireless-drivers-on-ubuntu-1204/

Cheers,

Mark



No, the machine is running 12.10, but I downgraded the kernel to 
3.5.0-22 because I broke 3.5.0-23's Ethernet interface somehow with my 
tinkering. So, before proceeding with your suggestion, I decided to 
reinstall 3.5.0-23 and see if it worked. And when I restarted with 
3.5.0-23, I found I'd lost the Ethernet connection again. Really, I need 
to fix that first.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 05/02/13 09:48, Mark Einon wrote:

On 5 February 2013 08:58, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:


Hi, Mark. Thanks for the thoughts.
~/pcilist.text: No such file or directory


Ah, ok. Not sure what when on there - perhaps you could just try
'lspci --nn' and copy the printout the way you know works?

The PCI device ID we need from this is important - as each driver has
a table of such device IDs that it can support. If the device ID isn't
listed in any of the drivers you are trying to "blindly" install, they
will not work - It might just be that Compaq has changed the device ID
themselves and it would just be a case of adding the device ID to the
relevant driver, or I can grep the kernel code for your particular
device ID to see which driver should be handling it. The device ID
should also help to tell us the exact chip model that we are dealing
with.


I think the double dash in --nn is wrong, should be a single dash.

lspci --nn
lspci: invalid option -- '-'
Usage: lspci []

There follows a long list of possible instructions, all using a single
dash. I'm reluctant to try all of these at random, but the ones I have 
tried which have given any new information are these (giving relevant 
lines of response only). I'll try other possibilities from the list of 
lspci commands if you like.


Display options:
-k show kernel drivers handling each device
lspci -k
04.00.0 Network controller:Ralink Corp. RT3290
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 18ec

Resolving of device ID's to names:
-n Show numeric ID's
lspci -n
04.00.0 0280: 1814:3290

-nn Show both textual and numeric ID's (names and numbers)
lspci -nn
04.00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT3290
Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3290]

-q Query the PCI database for unknown ID's via DNS
lspci -q
04.00.0 Network controller:Ralink Corp. RT3290
Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
-qq As above, but re-query locally cached entries
-Q Query the PCI ID database for all ID's via DNS

By the way, do you think I should uninstall rt3562sta? You gave the 
instruction for doing so in a previous message.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 23:03, Mark Einon wrote:


Ok. So the device doesn't have a driver loaded, so it is a kernel
issue... It knows it's a ralink device (PCI vendor ID 0x1814) but
doesn't know what the device ID is. Can you please run, to find out
what this ID is:

$> lspci --nn > ~/pcilist.txt

and copy the pcilist.txt to the email?


rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
rt3562sta 995054  0


Hmm, this looks to be part of the Ralink vendor driver, which
shouldn't be here if we're trying to use the native kernel one. Is it
possible to remove this? ('sudo rmmod rt3562sta').

Cheers,

Mark



Hi, Mark. Thanks for the thoughts.
~/pcilist.text: No such file or directory

rt3562sta is the driver I tried to install myself, following the 
instructions of jackoneill87 here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267

This still seems to be the best online set of instructions for the 
problem, and I still think it has identified the correct driver for the 
part. But I can uninstall easily enough if you want. I still have the 
package sitting  in my Home folder. It glories in the full name of:

DPO_RT3562_3592_3062_LinuxSTA_V2.4.1.1_20101217

I did not get it from Ralink themselves, since as I said their downloads 
site seems to have completely vanished. I got it from here:

http://download.driverguide.com/driver/RT3060+RT3062+RT3562+RT3592/Ralink/d1803834.html

As far as I can recall, I managed to extract it with the Archive 
Extractor, on the second or third attempt. Then I tried to install it, 
but without success, in that the Network Controller remained Unclaimed, 
and no wireless options appeared in the system tray when clicking the 
fan icon.


cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 16:43, Mark Einon wrote:


The command 'rfkill list' should tell you which rf kill switches are
available, and what their state is.


0: hp wifi: Wireless LAN
hard blocked: no
soft blocked: no

1: hp-bluetooth: Bluetooth
hard blocked: no
soft blocked: no

Now I have the huge print-out from the terminal which was requested, 
having somehow managed to copy it from the terminal, paste it into a 
notepad file, copy that to the external hard drive, then from there to 
the Lenovo, which is what I'm using to talk to you. Here it is. I have 
suspicions about the r8169 right at the end. I think it's a rival 
wireless driver that won't run under Ubuntu but will conflict, and hence 
needs blacklisting.


rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ dpkg -S /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
linux-firmware: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep 
rt2860 |xargs file

/lib/firmware/rt2860.bin: data
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo lshw -C network
[sudo] password for rowan:
  *-network
   description: Ethernet interface
   product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
   vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:03:00.0
   logical name: eth0
   version: 05
   serial: b4:b5:2f:38:ea:21
   size: 100Mbit/s
   capacity: 100Mbit/s
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list 
ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
   configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 
driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw 
ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
   resources: irq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) memory:7f004000-7f004fff 
memory:7f00-7f003fff

  *-network UNCLAIMED
   description: Network controller
   product: Ralink corp.
   vendor: Ralink corp.
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:04:00.0
   version: 00
   width: 32 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
   configuration: latency=0
   resources: memory:9011-9011
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
bnep   18141  2
rfcomm 46620  0
bluetooth 209249  10 bnep,rfcomm
parport_pc 32689  0
ppdev  17074  0
nls_iso8859_1  12714  1
snd_hda_codec_realtek78048  1
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 32049  1
joydev 17458  0
snd_hda_intel  33492  5
snd_hda_codec 134213  3 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel

snd_hwdep  17699  1 snd_hda_codec
radeon895730  3
snd_pcm96668  3 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec

snd_seq_midi   13325  0
snd_rawmidi30513  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 14900  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq61555  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  29426  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 14498  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
ttm83596  1 radeon
uvcvideo   76750  0
hp_wmi 18049  0
videobuf2_core 32852  1 uvcvideo
sparse_keymap  13891  1 hp_wmi
videodev  120310  2 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core
kvm   414071  0
drm_kms_helper 49113  1 radeon
videobuf2_vmalloc  12861  1 uvcvideo
psmouse95595  0
drm   288721  5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
snd78921  20 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device

videobuf2_memops   13405  1 videobuf2_vmalloc
soundcore  15048  1 snd
k10temp13127  0
serio_raw  13216  0
microcode  22804  0
rt3562sta 995054  0
snd_page_alloc 18485  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
i2c_algo_bit   13414  1 radeon
i2c_piix4  13168  0
mac_hid13206  0
video  19336  0
wmi19071  1 hp_wmi
lp 17760  0
parport46346  3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
r8169      61651  0
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:


Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't ask
me why, it just won't.


What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
your time otherwise.

Colin


That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the 
Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead 
of the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I 
reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into 
the Compaq. I was able to bring up a "try Ubuntu without installing" 
condition on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all 
the GUI settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is 
usual during new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite 
different. So, inside this "try Ubuntu without installing" condition, I 
checked the Network Controller using the sudo lshw -C network 
instruction, which I now know by heart. And it was still unclaimed.


There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, 
though there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 15:22, Colin Law wrote:


I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
sudo lshw -C network
says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
that the card is really not supported.

Colin



Yes, I remember, but now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot 
from the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. 
Don't ask me why, it just won't.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:

I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
- what version do you have? (run '$> uname -a' on the command line to
find out).

I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from 2.6.30.

The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu package.

Cheers,

Mark



The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about 
has broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have 
reverted to the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by 
default. Maybe I should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

On 04/02/13 13:41, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
>> I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
>> the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said 
>> "gar nicht," or words to that effect.

>
> I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not 
> a zip or self-extracting zip as first hoped. If you run it under WINE 
> it craps out part way through, however not before unpacking it in

> ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586
>
> I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for 
the installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it 
with "unshield" and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...

>
> unshield x data1.cab
>
> The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for 
ndiswrapper?

>
> alan@deep-thought:~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP58586/RT2860_Driver_XP2k$ 
ls -l

> total 3504
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   14119 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dat
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  238944 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dll
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   31420 Feb  4 13:38 rt2860.cat
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  564788 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.inf
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 2687552 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.sys
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan

You hunted through Hewett-Packard's site for that? Amazing. Well, 
indeed, the Ubuntu Forums people found exactly the same driver in its 
raw state, elsewhere, and I have it but evidently can't install it. 
Perhaps I need some of the other files, but what I have is just the 
basic thing, which is generally referred to as rt3562sta. I installed it 
just as Paula described, but no dice. There's a very interesting set of 
instruction here which I just found:

http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2010/08/wifi-ralink-3062/

It says:
1. Go to Ralink’s Linux page and download the appropriate driver and 
firmware based on the model number.

2. Unzip the firmware
3. As root, copy rt280.bin to /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin

Now, this firmware I had no idea of. You must understand that Ralink's 
own site no longer exists, it has been merged with some other company, 
and as far as I can tell, there are no relevant drivers, with firmware 
or without, available there any more. That shouldn't be the case, and 
maybe a more expert hand could navigate into the site that has replaced 
Ralink and find them.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:


What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file 
yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.


Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's 
response to it, there's nothing to unzip.


I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it, 
the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said "gar 
nicht," or words to that effect.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 12:07, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that you can
have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin


Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on the
desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.

Either you should have done
cd Desktop
or in the command specified Desktop/filename

Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
in a command type
the_command Des

Colin
Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's response 
to it, there's nothing to unzip. It's just a single, integrated MS-DOS 
executable, very nice for Windows people but useless for Ubuntu people 
unless they decide to install WINE, which is not recommended just for 
one pesky Windows program. So, the situation is, Hewlett Packard's own 
solution for this driver problem not only is useless to me, but it 
doesn't even tell me what the standard name of the driver in the package 
is, so that I can find it elsewhere. I think I know what it is, from 
people at Ubuntu Forums, but when I follow the standard procedure for 
installing the one they recommend, I get stuck somehow. And indeed it's 
a waste of other mail list readers' time me going on about this here, 
when I could go to Ubuntu Forums and ask for help there, so I shall do 
that. Thanks anyway to all who tried...


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that you can
have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin



Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on 
the desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed


On 04/02/13 08:38, Alan Pope wrote:

On 04/02/13 04:03, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my
converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's
website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot
use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the
package.



It's probably just a self extracting zip file. You can find out what 
it is with the "file" command:-


file 

You'll probably be able to unpack it with unzip:-

unzip 

Cheers,
I'm glad I have several machines, so the one I'm writing on (a Lenovo) 
is not the one I'm talking about (the Compaq). I had to revert the 
latter to 3.5.0.22, because on startup this morning in 3.5.0.23, its 
Ethernet interface was disabled and unclaimed. Evidently all my 
tinkering with drivers has knocked it about a bit. I uninstalled 
3.5.0.23 via Synaptic. Hopefully when the machine updates to 3.5.0.23 
again, the problem will not recur. Now, regarding your suggestions, 
unfortunately, it seems that you can have a package sitting in plain 
view on the desktop but the terminal will keep telling you "no such file 
or package." This rather stops me in my tracks.


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2013-02-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley

In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my 
converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's 
website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot 
use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Websites and your PC hardware details

2013-02-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley


On 03/02/13 10:16, Byte Soup wrote:


Hi all, just wanted to get the Ubuntu UK list take on this story from 
the BBC below


http://bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21304049 



Yes the guy was using windows, but will our browsers also give up this 
sort of info down to the hardware level when running a Linux box too? 
I know we can use a user agent switcher on some browsers, but I'm 
wondering what is given up by default. Perhaps it's just something 
particular to windows?


Thanks

Mark


Foreign affairs is my main interest, and I have become very cynical 
about it. There has been what the media call "a steady drumbeat" of 
stories about Chinese hackers going on for years. I regard them all as 
basically fabricated by the companies concerned, in conjunction with the 
Pentagon's CYBERCOM, which is all about information manipulation. 
Occasionally I encounter these US govt cyber troopers on my blog, and 
they are absolutely bare faced liars, in my view. The US is very busily 
manufacturing casus belli (fourth declension plural casus, long u) with 
China, if you hadn't noticed. It's the next big target.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Paula Graham  wrote:

> OK. Verbatim instructions plus chatty asides below cos it's Friday and I'm
> about to
> quit for the week wh! (etc)
> Paula
>
> I can see and digest all this. But without actually doing it again right
now, I'd like to ask for one more instruction from anybody who feels able
to supply it: I want one which will show me any other wireless drivers that
may be loitering with intent to conflict, whether assigned, unassigned,
enabled, disabled, or whatever. Then I can blacklist them, which is not
hard.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com


On 01/02/13 19:28, Paula Graham wrote:
OK sorry - it sounds grim but it's really easy to compile it once 
you've managed to find the wretched driver in the first place. 
Verbatim instructions plus chatty asides below cos it's Friday and I'm 
about to quit for the week wh! (gallop, gallop, gallop) Paula 
Just saw this, 2 am being a  typical start time for me. Thank you 
kindly. You have inspired me to plod through the whole thing once again.


By the way, Mr Shotts highly acclaimed book on the Linux Command Line is 
here:

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/

Rowan



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Paula Graham  wrote:

> I dunno, doesn't seem a huge burden to me - the driver's in a handy
> folder - it takes all of 20 secs to compile - prefer it to opening a
> brand new laptop with a perfectly good Realtek chip (and I'm clumsy with
> hardware). Will just tolerate mild inconvenience, upgrade when 13.04
> comes out with kernel 3.8 and native driver - problem solved, feisty
> laptop with no MS tax for under £400 ;)
>
> Paula
>
On second thoughts, a Wireless Witch would be better still. But it doesn't
have to be automated; just a coherent, start-to-finish set of instructions
that a human can follow, that would be fine. As I said, soon laptops will
have become notebooks and the network cable option will no longer exist, so
there will be a general need for this.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com


On 01/02/13 15:54, Paula Graham wrote:
I dunno, doesn't seem a huge burden to me - the driver's in a handy 
folder - it takes all of 20 secs to compile - prefer it to opening a 
brand new laptop with a perfectly good Realtek chip (and I'm clumsy 
with hardware). Will just tolerate mild inconvenience, upgrade when 
13.04 comes out with kernel 3.8 and native driver - problem solved, 
feisty laptop with no MS tax for under £400 ;) Paula 


Well, then, Paula, may I request you write a Wireless Installation 
Wizard, of as general application as possible, ie providing guidance for 
everybody with a converted machine and no wireless, with all the 
commands listed verbatim, for those of us confused by the scrappy and 
conflicting instructions on how to do it that are scattered across 
Ubuntu Forums? For my part, I have downloaded a copy of "The Linux 
Command  Line" by William E Shotts, which will gradually teach me how to 
do all this for myself. I stress: gradually.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com

2013-01-31 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Paula Graham  wrote:

> >>> On 18 Jan 2013 07:59, "Mark Fraser"  wrote:
>  Found this zoostorm laptop on ebuyer's website
> >>> http://www.ebuyer.com/411061-
> >>>
> >>>
> I've got the i3 version of the Zoostorm laptop - 12.04 installed
> perfectly except wifi chip is a bit of a pain, needs to be hunted down,
> compiled and then recompiled every time the kernel upgrades - native
> driver should be in kernel 3.8. The current driver is a tad flaky, drops
> connection irritatingly. Having said that, the chip might vary even in
> the same Zoostorm model but I've got 3 different Zoostorm laptops/PCs
> and they all installed without fuss except for the occasional wifi hassle.
>
> Overall, adore the laptop, fabulous spec for the price, keyboard is
> comfy, touchpad a bit irritating but perfectly useable, screen crisp,
> and whilst it's certainly not an ultrabook it's not unweildy either.
>
> Paula
>
> It's always the wireless interface that needs skilled attention, while
installing Ubuntu itself needs no skill at all. And as machines get down to
notebook size, more and more of them have no network cable interfaces, so
it's wireless or nothing (not to mention Bluetooth, which I haven't even
grasped the purpose of yet).
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows

2013-01-30 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Robert McWilliam  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 02:35 PM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
> > I dunno, I just give up on this. I ran through the whole install
> > sequence again, and I didn't see any warnings or errors at all. I don't
> > know how you select all to cut and paste from the terminal, but there
> > wasn't anything to see except textbook commands and responses.
> > Unfortunately, after this supposed perfect installation, the driver
> > still isn't there, and the wireless hardware is still unclaimed. Maybe
> > it's something simple, like a conflicting driver left over from the
> > original Windows set-up. But I'm sick of wrestling with it, at least for
> > a while.
>
> If/when you come back to this: I find it easiest when I want to capture
> the output from a command to redirect it to a file with ">":
>
>commad > file_name
>
> This will overwrite the output file, if you want to collect the output
> from multiple commands you can use ">>" in place of ">" which will then
> append the output to the end of the file without overwriting what was
> already there.
>
> Another useful option is "tee" which writes it's input to a file and
> standard output, so if you want to run a command and both see it's
> output in your terminal and capture it in a file:
>
> command | tee file_name
>
> Robert
>
I'll try to figure that out the next time I have somethng really detailed
and not easily described on the terminal screen. Anyway, I attacked the
problem again this morning, and I noticed an interesting thing. The desired
driver, rt3562sta, is listed in the modules available under lsmod, but not
as used by anything. That, I think, means it's installed but unassigned. Am
I right? If so, what should I do to assign it?
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I dunno, I just give up on this. I ran through the whole install 
sequence again, and I didn't see any warnings or errors at all. I don't 
know how you select all to cut and paste from the terminal, but there 
wasn't anything to see except textbook commands and responses. 
Unfortunately, after this supposed perfect installation, the driver 
still isn't there, and the wireless hardware is still unclaimed. Maybe 
it's something simple, like a conflicting driver left over from the 
original Windows set-up. But I'm sick of wrestling with it, at least for 
a while.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows


On 29/01/13 12:04, Robert McWilliam wrote:

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 09:43 AM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

  I assume that when
you are told to insert or change things in multiple files in the
operating system, it's no good just opening them with gedit and changing
them on the spot; you have to navigate to them and open them via the
terminal and change them with sudo. Is that right?

To change the system level files (most things that aren't in your home
directory) you usually need more permissions than your user will have.
sudo gets you those permissions.

If you're comfortable in a terminal then you can navigate around in
there and open up an editor with sudo when needed.

If you'd prefer to use gedit to locate and edit the files you can start
an instance of gedit with the necessary permissions by opening the run
dialogue with alt+F2 and then entering "gksudo gedit". You'll then
(probably) be asked for your password and then you get gedit.

Robert
Indeed, well, looking at the instructions on the Ubuntu Forums, there 
are simple examples of doing it from the terminal, which just go "sudo 
gedit..." and then the location. I understand the principle. But if you 
have the time, may I direct your attention to the first post on this 
thread, which is what I followed with the appropriate changes of driver 
name (and the omission of the blacklist instruction, which would have 
blacklisted my own new driver):

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267
Now when I ran the sudo make and sudo make install instructions, the 
terminal churned out a hundred lines or so of responses, many of which 
were warnings of one sort or another, but eventually returned to its 
normal status, ready for further instructions. So something must have 
happened, approximately corresponding to an installation. But if I can't 
even find the driver with modinfo, under the name it is clearly given as 
having, I have a problem. Is there a master change log I can look at 
which will tell me what I actually achieved or failed to achieve yesterday?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


On 29/01/13 10:43, Alan Pope wrote:

On 29/01/13 04:43, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

-- So what they're saying is, they won't fix it until the next major
rebuild of Firefox, whenever that is?



2013-02-18 is the scheduled release date for Firefox 19 which I 
discovered by typing "schedule release firefox 19" into google and 
going for the first hit.


Cheers,
Fair enough. Let's see if we get a complete Firefox upgrade around then 
and the thing goes away.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows


On 29/01/13 09:43, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

On 29/01/13 09:18, Robert McWilliam wrote:

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 08:31 AM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

So, if you please, what should I do next?

With the wireless card being listed as unclaimed there will be no loaded
driver for it.

I think the reasons split along two lines: the driver you installed
doesn't work with the card or the driver isn't getting loaded. We can
hopefully figure out which it is by manually loading the driver.

If the driver is properly installed then `sudo insmod `
should insert it - it will then be shown in the list from `lsmod`. After
that check again with `lshw` to see if the wireless card is still listed
as unclaimed. If so, that isn't the driver for this card (or has some
bug such that it isn't picking it up). If it is now claimed then check
if it's working and we can sort out getting the module loaded
automatically in future.
This is the second time I have followed instructions found on an 
Ubuntu Forum thread and acclaimed by the original questioner there as 
the answer to his problem, but found that they seem to have no 
relation to the world I and my machines inhabit. The driver package I 
have downloaded is the correct one, I'm fairly certain, and I have 
extracted it to my Home folder, but the driver package is a whole 
folder in itself...
Maybe I'm being unfair; it's much more probable I'm misunderstanding the 
statements made on the Ubuntu Forums. Now the driver itself is 
apparently called rt2860sta. When I do "modinfo rt2860sta" I get "could 
not find module rt2860sta". Whether correctly installed or not, the 
whole package is sitting in my Home directory, so why can't modinfo find 
it? It may sometimes appear with a suffix, viz .o or .ko, but the search 
should still find it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows


On 29/01/13 09:18, Robert McWilliam wrote:

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 08:31 AM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

So, if you please, what should I do next?

With the wireless card being listed as unclaimed there will be no loaded
driver for it.

I think the reasons split along two lines: the driver you installed
doesn't work with the card or the driver isn't getting loaded. We can
hopefully figure out which it is by manually loading the driver.

If the driver is properly installed then `sudo insmod `
should insert it - it will then be shown in the list from `lsmod`. After
that check again with `lshw` to see if the wireless card is still listed
as unclaimed. If so, that isn't the driver for this card (or has some
bug such that it isn't picking it up). If it is now claimed then check
if it's working and we can sort out getting the module loaded
automatically in future.
Sadly, it isn't installed or anywhere near it. This is the second time I 
have followed instructions found on an Ubuntu Forum thread and acclaimed 
by the original questioner there as the answer to his problem, but found 
that they seem to have no relation to the world I and my machines 
inhabit. The driver package I have downloaded is the correct one, I'm 
fairly certain, and I have extracted it to my Home folder, but the 
driver package is a whole folder in itself, containing among other 
things an incredibly long notepad file giving very lengthy but 
presumably executable instructions for building and installing the 
driver. So I shall have to try and slog through that. I assume that when 
you are told to insert or change things in multiple files in the 
operating system, it's no good just opening them with gedit and changing 
them on the spot; you have to navigate to them and open them via the 
terminal and change them with sudo. Is that right?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows


On 28/01/13 20:31, Robert McWilliam wrote:

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013, at 08:05 PM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
If I might return to this issue I have with activating wireless on 
the Compaq, I believe I have located the correct network driver and 
installed it, but I'm still seeing no wireless option beneath the fan 
symbol in the notifications bar. What I need to do is investigate 
from the terminal, check that the driver is present, attempt to 
activate it, and identify any rival, dysfunctional drivers that may 
be there unknown to me and still need blacklisting. If anyone feels 
like walking me through the code for all this, I hall be much obliged.
You can tell what driver is in use for the network card with lshw: 
`sudo lshw -C network` will give a listing of all the network cards in 
your system. In the configuration line for each one there will be an 
entry "driver=something".

Robert
The first major entry is what I assume is a normal report for Ethernet 
interface Realtek so-and-so, with a configuration entry that includes 
driver=something, but the second major entry after this first one is 
UNCLAIMED, Network controller Ralink so-and-so with a configuration 
entry that just says latency=0. As for the other qualities listed, 
comparing them, the Ethernet controller has entries for logical name, 
serial, size and capacity and the Network controller is missing these. 
Also, under capabilities, they both begin "pm msi pciexpress msix vpd 
bus_master_cap_list", but the Ethernet controller goes on "ethernet 
physical tp mii 10bt 10bt -fd 100bt 100bt -fd  autonegotiation" whereas 
the Network controller does not. Width for the Ethernet controller is 
given as 64 bits, and width for the Network controller as 32 bits. Under 
resources, the Ethernet controller lists "trq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) 
memory 7f004000-7f004fff memory 7f00-7f003ff", whereas the Network 
controller just says "memory 9011-9011. So "trq" and "ioport" 
are missing. I unplugged the Ethernet cable before starting the machine, 
but if I do the whole thing with the cable plugged in, so that the 
Ethernet interface is active, the latter gets a longer configuration 
entry from "autonegotiation" onwards, but the rest is unchanged for 
both. It would be nice to know whether the Network controller driver I 
think I installed is actually there or not, but I can't tell from this. 
So, if you please, what should I do next?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox

"These changes are probably too significant to consider for Aurora, when
weighed against the significance of the glitch.
status-firefox18: --- → wontfix
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Target Milestone: --- → mozilla19"

-- So what they're saying is, they won't fix it until the next major
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox

I've posted this as a bug on Bugzilla, here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=835331
Oddly enough, that excellent little video of the phenomenon which was at
Ubuntu One has now disappeared.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows

If I might return to this issue I have with activating wireless on the
Compaq, I believe I have located the correct network driver and installed
it, but I'm still seeing no wireless option beneath the fan symbol in the
notifications bar. What I need to do is investigate from the terminal,
check that the driver is present, attempt to activate it, and identify any
rival, dysfunctional drivers that may be there unknown to me and still need
blacklisting. If anyone feels like walking me through the code for all
this, I hall be much obliged.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


On 28/01/13 11:58, Alan Pope wrote:

On 28/01/13 11:18, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

Yup, that's it exactly. Well found. And you get it on 12.04, so it isn't
just a 12.10 issue.



Ok, so that looks like a compiz bug, you can file it with:-

ubuntu-bug compiz

Cheers,

OK, done:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1107826
Have a nice day,
Rowan

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


On 28/01/13 11:10, Tony Pursell wrote:
On 28 January 2013 10:00, Andy Braben <mailto:andybra...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 28 January 2013 09:42, Tony Pursell
mailto:a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk>>
wrote:

On 28 January 2013 08:39, Rowan Berkeley
mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

On 28/01/13 08:30, Alan Pope wrote:

    On 28/01/13 07:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

This deserves a thread of its own, I think. 'Slow
to load' means approximately a half-second late.
During that half-second, the previous display
remains visible in the square. It's approx 250x250
pixels in size, I should say, ie about the width
of a tab in the browser tab bar. I've got this
identical effect on two machines, a Lenovo N500
and a Lenovo S206, both running Ubuntu 12.10. I
don't think it happens in older versions of
Ubuntu. I've searched Launchpad, but I can't find
this exactly; there are a few reports of top left
Firefox problems, but not this exactly.

Can you get a picture or screenshot of it? I'm having
difficulty understanding the issue.

No, Alan, it's a transient event lasting a half-second or
so. It happens very time I start Firefox on any of these
three machines. It doesn't cause any problems, but it's a
bug nonetheless.

I get this too - its a square of pixels about the size
described above.  I am running 12.04 fully updated.  I get it
on my desktop PC.
Tony

Happens to me as well on 12.10 on various machines.--
Regards,
Andy

Here is a video of it
http://ubuntuone.com/6bLjs3mIRLcQFqJdxSFckn
Tony
Yup, that's it exactly. Well found. And you get it on 12.04, so it isn't 
just a 12.10 issue.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows


On 28/01/13 09:53, Colin Law wrote:

On 28 January 2013 09:45, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

On 28/01/13 07:45, Simon Greenwood wrote:

I'm not sure how you get to questioning whether the solution works without
testing it and more to the point not knowing which network your machine has.
You can find that out by pasting the following code in a terminal:

lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet'

Post the output here if you can't interpret it.

Since the above indicated a Ralink network controller, I went looking for
that. Ralink themselves have merged with another company and completely
destroyed their old website, but I found a driver for the Ralink network
controller, here:
http://download.driverguide.com/driver/RT3060+RT3062+RT3562+RT3592/Ralink/d1803834.html
I followed all the instructions given in the first post of this thread:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267
But so far, no wireless connection on restart. All the commands in the
terminal sequence seemed to run perfectly, but I suppose there might be yet
more rival drivers to be blacklisted.

What does it say under "Wireless Networks" when you click on the
network icon in the top panel.

Colin


It's still greyed out.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows


On 28/01/13 07:45, Simon Greenwood wrote:
I'm not sure how you get to questioning whether the solution works 
without testing it and more to the point not knowing which network 
your machine has. You can find that out by pasting the following code 
in a terminal:


lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet'

Post the output here if you can't interpret it.

Since the above indicated a Ralink network controller, I went looking 
for that. Ralink themselves have merged with another company and 
completely destroyed their old website, but I found a driver for the 
Ralink network controller, here:

http://download.driverguide.com/driver/RT3060+RT3062+RT3562+RT3592/Ralink/d1803834.html
I followed all the instructions given in the first post of this thread:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267
But so far, no wireless connection on restart. All the commands in the 
terminal sequence seemed to run perfectly, but I suppose there might be 
yet more rival drivers to be blacklisted.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


On 28/01/13 09:16, Alan Pope wrote:

On 28/01/13 08:39, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

No, Alan, it's a transient event lasting a half-second or so. It happens
very time I start Firefox on any of these three machines. It doesn't
cause any problems, but it's a bug nonetheless.



A video then?

I don't have any cameras or video recorders. I'm not going to try to use 
the built-in camera on one computer to capture a half-second event on 
another.  I'm sorry if the description doesn't suffice. It really 
doesn't matter unless other people are reporting the same thing, in 
whatever words.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


On 28/01/13 08:30, Alan Pope wrote:

On 28/01/13 07:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

This deserves a thread of its own, I think. 'Slow to load' means
approximately a half-second late. During that half-second, the previous
display remains visible in the square. It's approx 250x250 pixels in
size, I should say, ie about the width of a tab in the browser tab bar.
I've got this identical effect on two machines, a Lenovo N500 and a
Lenovo S206, both running Ubuntu 12.10. I don't think it happens in
older versions of Ubuntu. I've searched Launchpad, but I can't find this
exactly; there are a few reports of top left Firefox problems, but not
this exactly.



Can you get a picture or screenshot of it? I'm having difficulty 
understanding the issue.


Cheers,
No, Alan, it's a transient event lasting a half-second or so. It happens 
very time I start Firefox on any of these three machines. It doesn't 
cause any problems, but it's a bug nonetheless.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows

On 28/01/13 07:45, Simon Greenwood wrote:

On 28 January 2013 03:16, Rowan Berkeley <mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 27/01/13 19:26, Phil Dobbin wrote:

On 01/27/2013 06:52 PM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

Hi,
As you may recall, I bought a Compaq CQ58 with Windows 8
on it, and
converted it to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. I have
tried to follow
the instructions given here in rather scattered form:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2103062
I installed linux-headers-generic build-essential, as they
say to do,
then I downloaded what is apparently the most recent driver:

http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-3-stable/v3.6/compat-wireless-3.6.8-1-snpc.tar.bz2

and the terminal said it had saved it with exactly that
title. But I
can't extract it with a cd command, no matter how I phrase
it, because I
get "no such file or directory". Why is that?

cd won't extract the file. For a 'tar.bz2' extension you need
to pass
the following command:

'$ tar -jxvf compat-wireless-3.6.8-1-snpc.tar.bz2'

whilst you're in the directory that contains the above file.

Cheers,

Phil...

Well, thank you. I don't know how to navigate back there, it will
be simpler to download the driver again. It may be that this
particular model of CQ58 uses a Racal driver; there's a french
Ubuntu forum where the user says that his model does. HP don't
give detailed specs anywhere on their website. But unused drivers
lying around don't do any harm (and hopefully neither do
irrelevant Linux headers). Isn't it odd that most of the code
given in that Ubuntu forums solution is wrong, yet the questioner
says it worked for him? Or would it have been not wrong in earlier
Ubuntu versions?

The driver code tarball is most likely to be in your Downloads
directory if you used a browser to download it. You will have to
access it and build it from a terminal.

I'm not sure how you get to questioning whether the solution works
without testing it and more to the point not knowing which network
your machine has. You can find that out by pasting the following code
in a terminal:

lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet'

Post the output here if you can't interpret it.

Installing linux headers won't affect the OS.

Um, yes.
Ethernet controller is Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express (rev 05)
Network controller is Ralink 3290

So the thing I downloaded from Orbit labs was wrong. Honestly, HP
themselves do not specify any of this in their online so-called specs.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


On 28/01/13 07:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

Hi,

This deserves a thread of its own, I think. 'Slow to load' means 
approximately a half-second late. During that half-second, the 
previous display remains visible in the square. It's approx 250x250 
pixels in size, I should say, ie about the width of a tab in the 
browser tab bar. I've got this identical effect on two machines, a 
Lenovo N500 and a Lenovo S206, both running Ubuntu 12.10. I don't 
think it happens in older versions of Ubuntu. I've searched Launchpad, 
but I can't find this exactly; there are a few reports of top left 
Firefox problems, but not this exactly.
Actually, I've got it on all three of my machines, the two Lenovos and 
the converted Compaq.


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[ubuntu-uk] Square in top left slow to load when launching Firefox


Hi,

This deserves a thread of its own, I think. 'Slow to load' means 
approximately a half-second late. During that half-second, the previous 
display remains visible in the square. It's approx 250x250 pixels in 
size, I should say, ie about the width of a tab in the browser tab bar. 
I've got this identical effect on two machines, a Lenovo N500 and a 
Lenovo S206, both running Ubuntu 12.10. I don't think it happens in 
older versions of Ubuntu. I've searched Launchpad, but I can't find this 
exactly; there are a few reports of top left Firefox problems, but not 
this exactly.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing a wireless driver on a machine converted to Ubuntu from Windows

On 27/01/13 19:26, Phil Dobbin wrote:

On 01/27/2013 06:52 PM, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

Hi,
As you may recall, I bought a Compaq CQ58 with Windows 8 on it, and
converted it to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. I have tried to follow
the instructions given here in rather scattered form:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2103062
I installed linux-headers-generic build-essential, as they say to do,
then I downloaded what is apparently the most recent driver:
http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-3-stable/v3.6/compat-wireless-3.6.8-1-snpc.tar.bz2

and the terminal said it had saved it with exactly that title. But I
can't extract it with a cd command, no matter how I phrase it, because I
get "no such file or directory". Why is that?

cd won't extract the file. For a 'tar.bz2' extension you need to pass
the following command:

'$ tar -jxvf compat-wireless-3.6.8-1-snpc.tar.bz2'

whilst you're in the directory that contains the above file.

Cheers,

Phil...

Well, thank you. I don't know how to navigate back there, it will be
simpler to download the driver again. It may be that this particular
model of CQ58 uses a Racal driver; there's a french Ubuntu forum where
the user says that his model does. HP don't give detailed specs anywhere
on their website. But unused drivers lying around don't do any harm (and
hopefully neither do irrelevant Linux headers). Isn't it odd that most
of the code given in that Ubuntu forums solution is wrong, yet the
questioner says it worked for him? Or would it have been not wrong in
earlier Ubuntu versions?

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