Re: What to Do Since FTP No Longer Supported in Mac OSX Lion?

[Warren Samples]

On Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:17:25 AM Richard Gaskin wrote:
> IIRC Apple no longer makes Xserve anyway, so who needs an OS X FTP server?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin

At issue is which protocol is being used when one enables file sharing in the 
System Preferences on a standard OS X Desktop install. The FTP option has been 
replaced with SFTP. 

Warren

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Re: What to Do Since FTP No Longer Supported in Mac OSX Lion?

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On Saturday, August 13, 2011 01:06:43 PM Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Hi Warren,
> 
> Thanks for the tip.  I had read that FTP service could be re-enable from the 
> command line.  That will certainly solve the problem, but if Apple has a good 
> reason 
for dropping it, it would be nice to be able to do SFTP with LiveCode in order 
to keep up with the game.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gregory

Certainly the more protocols supported, the better ;) Since Apple could have 
used SFTP earlier, but didn't, I wonder if one might ask what good reason they 
had for 
using FTP until now. I think the "good reason" for the current change is that 
SFTP is more secure and that sounds real good and clearly fits the model of 
enhanced 
security in 10.7. How relevant this additional security is to what percentage 
of users who have been using OS X's built-in file sharing in the FTP mode, 
considering 
the who, what, how and why, is something that could be debated. (Definitely, 
though, a trivial pursuit since the decision has been made.) 

Warren

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Re: Grabbing the Date and Time From a Time Server on the Internet

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On Monday, August 15, 2011 12:31:25 PM Bob Sneidar wrote:
> This interests me, because while I could depend on the system time I suppose, 
> to datetimestamp entries in an SQL tab

But wouldn't it be simpler, and smarter, to let the db create and store store 
its own timestamp as the insert is made? Input from the user would be 
unnecessary 
and even irrelevant.

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/timestamp.html


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Re: Retrieving Date and Time From The Internet

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On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:13:58 AM Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Okay, I contacted the USNO site via email and requested that they include the 
> year in the returned date/time. 

You could try this:

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_CA-QC.aspx

Your time info is here in the html it returns (example):



5:10 PM



Tuesday, August 16, 2011


Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) -0400 
UTC

Isolate this from the rest of the source and filter out the lines that begin 
with <, and you'll have what you're looking for. If you want a different city, 
just select one 
from the list and copy that URL.

Warren

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Re: Max length of value passed to shell()

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On Monday, August 29, 2011 06:35:36 PM Dar Scott wrote:
> Whereas I'm lazy, I thought I'd ask rather than run a test.
> 
> Is there some limit to the length of the string passed to shell() on any 
> platform, especially OS X, whether by the engine or the shell-command program 
> itself.  Or 
even the typical limitations of utilities themselves.  I'm not concerned about 
editor limitations; I'm thinking of a computed value passed to shell().
> 
> Anybody happen to know?
> 
> Dar


Running getconf ARG_MAX here in BASH under OpenSuse returns 2097152, which 
seems like pretty many to me. Don't know about Livecode limits, though.

HYH,

Warren

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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

[Warren Samples]

On 09/06/2011 02:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously, this 
is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling you 
where to post beta issues?

Bob



Final public release was announced today.

Warren

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Re: LiveCode 4.6.4

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On 09/06/2011 02:40 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

It looks like the announcement ONLY went to the DEV list though...  Odd...
:\

~Roger



Yes, I noticed that, too, but I checked the store and it's available for 
download in my account.


Warren

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Re: Reading PDF - a cry for help

[Warren Samples]

On 09/29/2011 12:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

I just created a PDF with two lines of text and a 16x16 graphic and
following text. A very basic test pattern.   Then I opened up the document
in BBEdit.

Yikes!   A huge amount of data is there - some binary and some plain text
for such simple data. A minefield of fun and a big project to work with.

Here's the specs ( a large PDF document) right from the source. PDF
SPECS 
DOCUMENT

Good luck.



But it should certainly be doable. In fact, File Juicer does it. It's 
Mac software, but it is an example of exactly what is being discussed. 
It might be a lot of work, but clearly it's not a hopeless task :)


Best,

Warren

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Re: new iPhone 4s

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On 10/04/2011 02:13 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

but it doesn't replace Viagra



I'm sure there are some...


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Re: new iPhone 4s

[Warren Samples]

On 10/05/2011 11:34 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


* It requires lots of touches to do simple things.


please let me know if there is a quicker way!



Android:

1. Touch the Clock in the lower right.
2. In the popup that appears there are some sliders to the right. Touch those.
3. In the popup that appears, touch Settings at the bottom.
4. Touch Applications in the list on the left.
5. Touch Manage applications at the top of the list on the right.
6. In the next screen, touch Running on the right.
7. This next step can take a while, because it lists all of the processes 
running. Scroll through the list to find the app you want to close, and touch 
that.
8. There may be more than one sub process listed. Touch Stop for each one.
9. You're back at the previous list now, scroll until you find the next app you 
want to close. Touch Stop.
10. If greeted with a "Stop system service?" dialog, touch OK.
11. Repeat steps 9 and 10 for each of the other apps you want to close.



On my Samsung Exhibit, I press and hold the Home button which floats a 
window showing recently used applications as well as a button which 
opens the task manager where I can kill any open apps all at once or one 
at a time.


Warren

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Re: Help tracking down a shell problem

[Warren Samples]

On 10/20/2011 03:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

Pete,

The terminal and the shell command are different beasts. On your mac, you
can check some hidden files:

.profile
.bash_profile
.bashrc

For example, my .profile changes my locale $LANG var.

I think that .profile always load but .bash_profile and .bashrc only loads
then you launch a terminal, but I am guessing. Its been a while since I last
played this kind of game.

Anyway, the shell() executes stuff in "Mac OS X" graphical land, the
terminal is different. For example, IIRC applescript is not available when
the old engine was running on the terminal but was available if you shell().
Its the little things...



To expand (in a speculative manner!) on Andre's response, it seems 
probable that you are running into the difference between the System 
defaults and your User defaults. This is a little bit of a quagmire, but 
something that has been discussed here more than once in the past.


Good Luck!

Warren


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Re: Export and Import SQLite data from LC Project?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/25/2011 02:34 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi John,

Can't you transfer the entire database file? If not, you can just do a dump and 
import the resulting file or do a query and save the data to a text file, which 
you import the usual way.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille




Mark is correct. This is from the "Distinctive Features" page provided 
by SQLite:


"Single Database File
 An SQLite database is a single ordinary disk file that can be located 
anywhere in the directory hierarchy. If SQLite can read the disk file 
then it can read anything in the database. If the disk file and its 
directory are writable, then SQLite can change anything in the database. 
Database files can easily be copied onto a USB memory stick or emailed 
for sharing.


Stable Cross-Platform Database File
 The SQLite file format is cross-platform. A database file written on 
one machine can be copied to and used on a different machine with a 
different architecture. Big-endian or little-endian, 32-bit or 64-bit 
does not matter. All machines use the same file format. Furthermore, the 
developers have pledged to keep the file format stable and backwards 
compatible, so newer versions of SQLite can read and write older 
database files."


You don't need to do anything other than copy the database file.

Warren

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Re: Confused again

[Warren Samples]

On 10/25/2011 05:44 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

She seemed to suggest that the upgrade to 5.0.1 is for developers only, but 
that doesn't sound right.

Please advise.

Tim Miller



Any upgrades you are entitled to will be available from the Store at 
runrev.com. Select that link and sign in. 5.0 seems to be the latest 
publicly available version. There is a 5.0.1 developer preview which is 
a pre-release version available only to those who have paid the 
additional money to be involved in the Developer Program. I don't get 
any messages regarding an update when I open 5.0 under Linux. (I am a 
member of the Developer Program as a result of the prior licensing 
model.) I wonder if this is a bug.


If you have a question regarding what future updates you may be entitled 
to, ask RunRev support directly. They are the only people who have 
access to your records and who can provide you a definitive answer.


Regards,

Warren

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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/28/2011 11:52 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

While trying to get just a bit comfortable with a command-line interface, I 
started Terminal on Mac OSX Lion and eventually got a command to work (after 
finding out how to cope with spaces in file and folder names). I put the same 
thing in an LC 'shell' command and got a runtime error (Handler: can't find 
handler). I guess this is because in the Terminal context, the shell recognised 
the program I was calling ('convert' - it's dear old ImageMagick) but within my 
prog and the LS IDE it didn't. What do I need to do to get 'my' shell to be 
able to invoke the same apps that the raw terminal interface can? My guess is 
that it's something to do with a context variable like LS's defaultFolder, but 
I just don't know how to get there. Can anyone explain?

TIA

Graham




Graham, post the exact code you're trying to make work using Livecode's 
shell() function so it can be debugged. The shell function should have 
access to any command the terminal has access to.


Best,

Warren


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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/28/2011 11:52 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

While trying to get just a bit comfortable with a command-line interface, I 
started Terminal on Mac OSX Lion and eventually got a command to work (after 
finding out how to cope with spaces in file and folder names). I put the same 
thing in an LC 'shell' command and got a runtime error (Handler: can't find 
handler). I guess this is because in the Terminal context, the shell recognised 
the program I was calling ('convert' - it's dear old ImageMagick) but within my 
prog and the LS IDE it didn't. What do I need to do to get 'my' shell to be 
able to invoke the same apps that the raw terminal interface can? My guess is 
that it's something to do with a context variable like LS's defaultFolder, but 
I just don't know how to get there. Can anyone explain?

TIA

Graham




Paste this in the message box:

put shell("convert")

and see what happens. You should get usage information from ImageMagick.

To add a path to the input and output files inside the quoted shell 
command try surrounding the paths with single quotes.


Warren

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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/28/2011 12:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Is this in Windows or Mac? Im Mac to get usage for a shell command you have to 
preface it with man. I think it's short for manual. This only works if whatever 
installed the command in the shell also installed a man page.

Bob



Technically you are correct, he'll get  "help" but for our purpose here 
"usage" seemed like an acceptable description of what he'll see. Beat me 
with a stick.


Warren

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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/28/2011 03:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

Try this on your terminal:

which convert

This will return the path to the convert command, in my case is:

/usr/local/bin/convert

So change your convert command in the shell to "/usr/local/bin/convert
image.jpg blabla" and see if you can get it to work.

(I may of course be wrong and the problem may lie elsewhere)

Andre



This would have been my suggestion if his shell() looked ok. It does 
point out a problem with using shell(), especially in OS X where things 
are very possibly not going to be installed in their standard *nix 
locations. A method to check for the location of an exectuable and if 
necessary, a way for the user to provide the path, should be provided.


Warren

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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/29/2011 09:40 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:


shell(/opt/local/bin/convert)


Mike's response contains all the correct information, but it can be 
distilled to this:


change what you what you type into the message box to:

put shell("/opt/local/bin/convert")

This should display in the message box whatever the terminal displays 
after you type "convert" in Terminal and press enter.


The "put" is what will cause the output to be displayed. On my machine, 
issuing the convert command without any args returns the help. This is 
not uncommon behavior for cli programs.


Also I note that while it is very common to require two hyphens before 
whole word args, 'convert' doesn't seem to use any single letter args 
and only responds to single hyphen (as compiled on my machine) args. 
This is from the help itself: "-help   print program options"


Try:

put shell("/opt/local/bin/convert -help")
works for me here, but if not for you, then:

put shell("/opt/local/bin/convert --help")

In an application you might prefer to use "get" in place of "put" before 
your shell().


Best,

Warren






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Re: OT: Command-line blues (ImageMagick)

[Warren Samples]

On 10/28/2011 07:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

[As an aside I would NOT recommend IM on a Mac to anyone who has only worked 
within a GUI environment. The installation of IM for Mac took longer (and 
appeared to use more resources) than installing Lion on my Mac, even if you 
take into account my making a complete clone of my hard disk before the Lion 
installation started. My machine is now stuffed with Xcode, MacPorts, countless 
components of IM, and IM itself. If there is an uninstall process I have not 
discovered it and probably never will. So, IMHO, avoid. In contrast, there is a 
simple .exe file available for the PC. No geography teacher would ever be 
willing to do the Mac install, although doubtless many of them are very able, 
so there will never be a Mac version of my app.]



Graham,

I see you found the Windows binary installers. Good! About Macports; 
Macports will allow you to export fully functioning binaries which you 
can supply to your users for simple install.


http://guide.macports.org/#introduction ("Allows you to create 
pre-compiled binary installers of ported applications to quickly install 
software on remote computers without compiling from source code.")


and

http://guide.macports.org/#using.binaries.binary-packages

This means you could offer precompiled binaries with simple 
installation, in a known location, for every version of OS X you are 
able to set up Macports in and that your app is available for.


To ensure compliance with the GPL, you may need to make this a separate 
download from your app and provide a way for your users to access the 
source. (An easy to find link in your documentation should be adequate.)


You can uninstall Macports by following directions found here:

http://guide.macports.org/#installing.macports.uninstalling

Best,

Warren

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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?

[Warren Samples]

On 10/29/2011 12:59 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

on a side note regarding shell - I just ran this from the message box:

put shell("man zip")



and got this text:


Not an answer to your question, but that doesn't happen here running Linux.

Here is something from discussion of Phil Davis' Shell Command Help plugin:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2011-January/151041.html

and the next few messages.

Warren



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Re: Waiting for 'shell'

[Warren Samples]

On 11/01/2011 12:11 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

I use animated GIFs which I show just before a lengthy conversion, then
hide it when shell has completed the task.  It' not a progress bar, but
indicates a busy state quite well.

~Roger



What platform(s) does this work on? When I do this, the animation stops. 
Running Linux here.


Warren

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Re: Waiting for 'shell'

[Warren Samples]

On 11/01/2011 03:47 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

I've done this on Mac and Windows, but I would expect it to work on Linux
too.

~Roger



Putting something like "show animated.gif > get shell("cp fileLocA 
fileLocB") in a button leaves the animated gif completely static during 
the copy operation. Interestingly, the gif is static the whole time - 
until the copy is finished - even if there is a wait before the get 
shell(). Perhaps you are doing something a little more 
involved/complicated to display the gif?


Warren

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Re: Waiting for 'shell'

[Warren Samples]

On 11/01/2011 06:27 PM, Roger Eller wrote:



I just looked back at the original post.  If I understand correctly, the
problem is not seeing when shell completes, but to let the user know there
is backgrounded activity while shell is still processing, and so they don't
think the app has locked up.

˜Roger



Yes, and the progression eventually involved an alternative which which 
would necessitate some clever method to determine when to stop showing 
the progress indicator because the process had finished. Therefore:



>> >  Oh cool. Yep, that could be easily used as an indication that the
>> > launched process has completed. That or ps would both work on mac 
>> > or linux.


It does make sense :)

Warren

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Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language

[Warren Samples]

On 11/08/2011 11:03 AM, René Micout wrote:

A little information :
in Mac OS X Lion when you need to know what is the default (country) language 
of the system :

  put "defaults read NSGlobalDomain" into vxLangage
  get line 10 of shell (vxLangage)

Before "Lion" it was line 9 of shell>  now line 10

Bon souvenir de Paris
René
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Not even close here.

Don't you want the line that begins with "AppleLocale" that comes after 
the list of available languages?


Warren

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Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language

[Warren Samples]

On 11/08/2011 12:01 PM, René Micout wrote:

Yes of course, it is better,
line 10 is the first language in the list (and I think it is the default system 
(country) language.
AppleLocale is line 33...
Thank you Warren

Le 8 nov. 2011 à 18:39, Warren Samples a écrit :



I get a very different line count. Perhaps this depends on how many 
languages the user has installed, or removed. It might be safest to look 
for the line that starts "AppleLocal" rather than hardcode some 
potentially incorrect line number..


Warren

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Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language

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On 11/08/2011 12:39 PM, René Micout wrote:

get shell (defaults read NSGlobalDomain) don't work... !!?



Don't forget to wrap your shell command with "" !

Warren

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Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language

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On 11/08/2011 01:17 PM, René Micout wrote:

YES !
But why
put "defaults read NSGlobalDomain" into vxLangage
get shell (vxLangage)
works ?
I don't write put quote&  "defaults read NSGlobalDomain"&  quote into vxLangage
...

Le 8 nov. 2011 à 19:39, René Micout a écrit :


Thanks to Pete, Warren and Ben !!

My new script after all their informations :
   put "defaults read NSGlobalDomain" into vxLangage
   get shell (vxLangage)
   get line lineOffset("AppleLocale",it) of it
   put false into vxFrançais ; if "fr" is in it then put true into vxFrançais

get shell (defaults read NSGlobalDomain) don't work... !!?
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vxLangauage is a variable not a string.

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Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language

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On 11/08/2011 01:21 PM, Warren Samples wrote:



vxLangauage is a variable not a string.



oops! Didn't spell your variable correctly. That would never work either :D

Warren

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Re: Re : Wasting space on the forum.

[Warren Samples]

On 11/14/2011 07:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Top please.



This is a whole other topic. I personally prefer to have the new reply 
at the bottom, as the quoted text prepares the context for the reply. I 
understand the other point of view, and I would say that it frequently 
doesn't make a difference practically speaking, but usually when it 
does, it's because I've been assisted by the "prologue".


I would complain more about those who reply point by point, placing 
their replies between quoted sections. This is often confusing.


Warren

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Re: clipboard issue in Windows?

[Warren Samples]

On 11/30/2011 11:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 11/30/11 1:00 AM, Pete wrote:

I can see where the confusion comes from on this.  The dictionary claims
you can copy a chunk of a control to the clipboard, even has an
example  -
copy word -3 to -1 of field "Help".


I was wrong, the dictionary is right. Either I was relying on old info,
or else I lost a synapse somewhere. This works for me too:

   copy word 1 to -1 of fld 1

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



*sigh*

"copy" and "clipboardData" may be unreliable on Linux it seems. The copy 
function and clipboard is complicated in Linux and for some reason the 
KDE clipboard utility, Klipper, does not copy data from LiveCode using 
either "copy" or the clipboardData on my system. It works when Klipper 
isn't running, though.


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Re: [ANN] Extensions for LiveCode/Linux

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On 12/19/2011 10:12 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

Im looking at the webkit extension now. Looks nice.

Only other requirement is python, correct?



You may need to install the python-webkitGTK bindings. Would not run 
initially on my system, openSUSE, but installing the bindings allows the 
python browser to run. The purebasic demo does not work.


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Re: [ANN] Extensions for LiveCode/Linux

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On 12/19/2011 08:16 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

In case you missed Rev's announcement a few weeks back, and now that the
site is complete, Linux fans might find the following extensions useful:

1. UTF-8 Stack Template
2. UTF-8 Function Demo
3. Accent-Blind International Bubble Sort
4. UTF-8 Text Editor
5. Shell Without Wait
6. Web Browser (WebKit engine)
7. Web Browser (PB WebKitGtk Library)
8. UTF-8 Compliant Picture Chooser

And here's where you will find them:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/extensions/




In the python-webkit browser demo, it seems the python processes are not 
terminated by closing the browser or quitting Livecode. Also, I am 
unable to close the window of the fullscreen demos except by killing the 
process. Are these things expected behavior?


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Re: 5.0.2 startup woes

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On 12/23/2011 11:40 PM, Fred Moyer wrote:

Now with this new 5.0.2 that I just purchased, various startup, openstack and 
preopenstack commands do not implement -- that is they don't implement when I 
double-click on the stack while LiveCode is not running. (Everything works fine 
if LiveCode is already running.) But, for example, if you make a stack that 
simply consists of a stack script that says:

on openstack
   choose browse tool
   beep
end openstack

If you double-click on the stack with LiveCode not running, and 5.0.2 starts 
up, does the tool change to browse tool? In my computer (Mac), it doesn't -- 
but the computer does beep. Am I missing something really basic here? If I drag 
my new version 5.0.2 to the trash,  which leaves 4.6.4 to start up, and do the 
same thing, the tool switches to browse tool as it should. There are other 
startup issues suddenly going on in 5.0.2 which I don't understand.

Can anyone advise?

Thanks
Fred




This also happens here in Linux. In 5.0, Livecode opens, the stack 
appears and both parts of this script work. In 5.0.2 the stack is 
opening almost instantly and well before the Livecode toolbar appears. 
It beeps but does not switch to the browse tool. It would seem that 
Livecode is attempting to run the script before it's fully ready.


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Re: SQL Date Formatting

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On 01/11/2012 07:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Hi all. I am having F-I-TZ working with dates in mySQL. I WANT to store the 
dates as real dates, but mySQL formats them as -mm-dd. Livecode does no 
such thing and nothing I know how to do can get Livecode to work with dates in 
this format AS dates.

It's no good for my present purposes to work with other formats. I query SQL 
and then drop the data into a datagrid with no custom formatting, and that is 
just the way it has to be. What I need is to tell Livecode to sue SLQ date 
formatting. I have no real hope, but if someone knows of a way to do that, I 
would appreciate it.

I think what is really needed is a feature request for one more date format for the 
convert command: convert myDate to sqlDate.

Bob


Is the problem getting them from Livecode to mySQL or what mySQL returns 
from select?


Can you set the date format in your select statement?

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/date-and-time-functions.html#function_date-format

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Re: Application Menu (again) and RunRev attribution

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On 01/13/2012 11:51 AM, Pete wrote:

I am about to release my first commercial product written with Livecode and
I'm wondering what the etiquette is, if any, regarding mentioning Livecode
and RunRev in the About dialog, maybe something like "Built with Livecode
from RunRev" plus a web address?



From the EULA:

APPENDIX A - Required Copyright Notice
You must include the following copyright notice where other such notices 
appear. In the event that such other notices do not appear in the 
Created Software, this notice must be placed in a reasonable location.
Built with LiveCode. Portions (c)2000-2011 RunRev Ltd, All Rights 
Reserved Worldwide.
We would like you to include the RunRev logo, as per the terms set on 
our website. However, unlike the Copyright notice above, you are not 
required to include the logo.


I can't find the guidelines for using the images, but I saw them once 
and recall thinking it was a little formal and restricting, but it's 
their business :D


Warren

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Re: revBrowser & sound

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On 01/19/2012 04:20 AM, tkuyp...@telenet.be wrote:

  it's kinda annoying to always have their website open when surfing the 
internet, accidentally closing my music when closing to many windows.



Can't you just open it in it's own window and hide/minimize it? Park it 
on another desktop/workspace? That would keep it safe from inadvertent 
closing. If you have a habit of quitting the browser to close windows, 
then maybe you could install a browser that you only use foe this 
purpose, again putting the window on a workspace you aren't using.


Warren

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Re: best 404 ever

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On 01/20/2012 11:01 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I get blank screen. I am probably being blocked by a content filter.:-)

Bob


It's done in Flash

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Re: Application quit on OS X

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On 01/20/2012 11:23 AM, Pete wrote:

As far as I can tell, all Mac applications work this way..



This is not correct. It depends on what kind of application it is. Most 
work this way but several utilities do not. I have seen some discussion 
of this elsewhere, although I can't recall where, and I think Apple has 
issued its official opinion on this which does allow for this behavior.


One could use the closestack message to open a dialog with a menubar, 
which ask the user if they would like to open another window or quit the 
app, or some other option appropriate for the app.


Warren

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Re: Developing on Mac, standalone on Windows

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On 01/22/2012 11:55 PM, Pete wrote:

I just compiled and ran my fist standalone on Windows and I'm finally
realising the benefits of developing cross platform applications with LC.
  I was pretty amazed when everything I developed on my Mac just ran as
expected on Windows!

The on;y problem I need to address concerns fonts.  I have a very few
controls that depend on font size to correctly position themselves around
other, non-textobjects and it seems that LC's default font on WIndows is
different than on a Mac, or at least the font size/spacing is.

I left the font and size blank in almost all of my controls' text
formatting options but perhaps I need to name a specific font to have
things line up correctly on OS X and Windows?


-- Pete Molly's Revenge 



It may be worth the time to build a small app that lets you play with 
things like font choice and size, and text margins and run it as a 
standalone - margins and alignment are not always the same in a 
standalone as in the IDE - in whatever platforms (and various versions 
of these OSs!) you want to deploy in. It can be fairly simple and not 
really all that time consuming but may be very illuminating and helpful. 
This would leave you the ability to confidently set such things 
conditionally.


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Re: Video on Linux (again)

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On 02/06/2012 09:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

How are you playing videos on Linux?

Are you able to do it at all?



Running openSUSE 12, KDE and KWin. I get audio but no video attempting 
to play videoclips. Using the player, and with window effects on, I get 
audio but no visible video. I get video if I turn off window effects 
before launching Livecode. It renders normally with full opacity. Once 
launched, I can turn window effects back on and video is still normal. 
Toggling window effects after launch has no effect on the video, either 
way.


Mint 9 in VirtualBox, running without window effects, videoclips behave 
as above above. Video playback using a player is fine. When I ran Mint 
10 with Compiz, I got the same transparent masking effect you have 
described seeing under Ubuntu.


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Re: The Linux engine...

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On 02/23/2012 03:20 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

I figured out so much that this is a GNOME (working) versus KDE (not working) 
thing. What really scares me is the exit on signal 11 issue. How does one debug 
that???



Not that this is of any practical value, but this is an issue with 
compositing. If you turn off window effects, shift+Alt+F12, background 
patterns should render normally. That works here with openSUSE KDE. 
There is a related problem with video rendering for many of us. Happens 
also with Gnome 2 on Ubuntu and Mint when running Compiz. It *may* also 
be dependent on specific video card/driver combinations.


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Re: The Linux engine...

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On 02/23/2012 01:50 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

I've more or less stopped using Rev because I only use Linux, and having got
a 22 inch monitor, I simply can't read most of the IDE unless I reset screen
resolution to much lower resolution.  Or put on reading glasses which brings
its own problems.  It doesn't make any difference which WM you use. It was
fine on my old 19 inch monitor, but I've given up struggling with it on the
new one.

Now, is this Rev's problem, or is it X11's problem?  Who cares?  You have to
be able to read the IDE to use it.

Peter



Hmm. Peter, I am using a 24 inch monitor and don't have any issues like 
this.


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Re: The Linux engine...

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On 02/25/2012 12:27 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Just MHO on a Sunday morning,

Joe Wilkins
Architect



It's Saturday.

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Re: Mac/WIndows ASCII characters

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On 08/17/2013 12:34 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

hopefully there's an html equivalent of that.



http://www.html-entities.org/

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Re: Mac/WIndows ASCII characters

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On 08/17/2013 03:01 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

Do you happen to know if all the entities mentioned there are supported
within htmltext?  Per my other post, they're not all mentioned in the
dictionary entry for htmltext



LiveCode seems to render all the html entities, in both forms where 
applicable, listed on this page, under Linux and Windows:


https://www.freeformatter.com/html-entities.html

You may run into issues of a char not being available using a particular 
font on a particular system, but LiveCode seems to otherwise be 
completely fluent in html entities.


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Re: MySql vs Valentina

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On 08/29/2013 07:12 AM, Michael Mays wrote:

Pet peeve of mine people posting messages with links to their product or 
whatever and not actually clicking them to see it they work.



This is almost always a result of an email client reformatting messages 
to fit within a certain column width, and doing it poorly, and is not 
necessarily within the control of the sender. It's something to look for 
whenever an emailed link is broken.


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Re: revOnline

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On 10/01/2013 05:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

revOnline appears to be completely dead - searching doesn't work and
clicking a keyword does nothing either. Anyone having the same experience?
Pete



All these functions seem to be working normally here in LC 6.1.1 and 6.5dp1.

Warren


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Re: New install video for using Valentina Studio and Valentina server

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On 10/06/2013 02:36 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

Interesting enough, there is no similar
video for Windows and Linux.



It would be very interesting to see instructions for installing 
Valentina products under Linux which are current and work reliably. The 
documentation provided with the software seems always out of date and 
inadequate and has not always been helpful in resolving issues. Getting 
VServer to work has been problematic at times and the most recent 
version of LiveCode ADK did not work for me under Linux. Ruslan is a 
model of patient and generous helpfulness to be sure, but it would be 
nice if the software and its documentation were more reliable.


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Re: Play mp3 on linux ?

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On 10/12/2013 08:35 AM, Ludovic Thébault wrote:

Hello,

I work on an multi platform open source stack that need to play wma or mp3 
(voices memos from an dictaphone).
Even with "dontuseQT" true, nothing happen under linux (ubuntu 12).

What i missed ?

Thanks


Are you using the player object? LiveCode uses mplayer under Linux if 
it's installed. Do you have mplayer installed? The player won't display 
controls but you can use start and stop in scripts. I believe mplayer 
plays mp3 wma out of the box. It works here under openSUSE.


Good luck

Warren


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Re: Play mp3 on linux ?

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On 10/12/2013 08:35 AM, Ludovic Thébault wrote:

  linux (ubuntu 12).

What i missed ?

Thanks



One additional note; you may find that you have to take special 
precautions to terminate your app and the mplayer process. Closing the 
app window may not actually end one or both of the processes. Putting 
something like:


on closeStack
   get shell("killall mplayer")
   quit
end closeStack

in the stack script will work in that case.

Warren

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Re: Figuring out the correct height / width of scrollbars under Linux

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On 01/09/2014 03:03 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

Hi all,

is there a way to figure out how wide / heigh a scrollbar needs to be under 
Linux to draw all of the scrollbar, but not leaving you with empty space around 
it? Can this be figured out by script? It appears that under UBUNTU this would 
be 14 Pixels. Is there a difference between Windowmanagers?

Thanks in advance,

Malte




Under KDE, scrollbar width is a user settable property. I don't know 
what default is, I have it set to something narrower because, well, I 
like it. I'm not sure that you can reliably determine this. It would 
depend on your ability to determine the DE of the current session which 
is available as a LiveCode global under some distros but not others, and 
then grab the setting from a config file, if the distro/DE make it 
available and you know where it is. I don't know what to say about height.


Why are you finding this desirable? Do you have some consistent display 
issue you're trying to resolve one some particular distro? Are you sure 
you want to be setting this in the face of what might be a (different) 
user preference?


Warren


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Re: Where to download Community Server?

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On 01/17/2014 12:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Where at livecode.com is the link to download the Community Version of
LiveCode Server?

I imagine some of you have special URLs you've collected for that, but
at the moment I'm less interested in specialized knowledge than simple
usability - that is, I'm assuming a link exists somewhere on the site in
a discoverable location, yes?

If not, I'll file a bug report.

TIA -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World


On this page:

http://livecode.com/download/

There is a link labeled "View All LiveCode Downloads" that takes the 
visitor to the download directory, including the community version of 
the server. (http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/)


Warren

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Re: [OT] Mavericks Auto Save and Red Traffic Light plus Back Dot

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On 01/23/2014 05:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I believe the spirit of this goes back to Steve Jobs' observation that
most people's desktops are a complete mess of file icons.  Obsessed with
getting rid of clutter, his answer was to remove the file system from
the things users need to worry about.



Bathwater and babies... throw them all out!!!

KDE had a much better solution ;)

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Re: 652 release

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On 01/29/2014 11:08 AM, François Chaplais wrote:

Thanks. The externals SDK links seem to be broken



All links starting with 'LiveCode 5.5.5' lead back to the download page.

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Re: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Macworld podcast

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On 02/19/2014 07:02 AM, Richmond wrote:

Now, let me see how to do THAT on Linux :)



From the Macworld podcast page, 
http://www.macworld.com/article/2094400/robyn-miller-from-myst-to-the-immortal-augustus-gladstone.html:


You can subscribe to the Macworld Podcast by clicking here. Or you can 
point your favorite podcast-savvy RSS reader at: 
http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/58576458-macworld/tracks


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Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

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On 03/19/2014 03:13 AM, Richmond wrote:


I'm sorry, but I am not going to take responsibility for your decision
to read the Use-List using a mobile device.

LOL.

Richmond.





I don't know that there's any need to be so snarky. It's a fairly common 
request in mailing lists that care be taken to avoid quoting unnecessary 
text in replies, and it doesn't just annoy people on small screen devices.


If only we can get people to stop nesting responses within quoted text, 
which can make for dizziness after a couple of rounds of replies. Of 
course, that's one of your favorite techniques... (Yes, I understand the 
logic, but it only really works for the first reply or two which makes 
it seem to me to be an arrogant strategy. I know this has been discussed 
here before, and I also see the problem is getting worse.)


Warren

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Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

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On 03/19/2014 12:39 PM, Richmond wrote:

to do this I have had to nest
responses so that each response-let connects to each of your points.



For whose benefit? That was not in any sense necessary. It was your 
preference. You could have just as easily constructed a coherent 
response addressing all the points in a single block. It wouldn't have 
taken advanced writing skills to do. I am confident you are capable of this.


What I meant be "arrogant strategy" is that after more than a couple of 
rounds, a thread in which people are nesting comments often becomes very 
difficult to follow and respond to, which may limit further responses. 
Also, useful information can become buried and hard to extract, which 
naturally makes it potentially less useful. I don't mean to imply that 
you or anyone is motivated by these negative possibilities, I do wonder, 
though, how much thought is given to them. "Short-sighted" might be 
another appropriate and less inflammatory description.


I have noticed that you are not alone in preferring this approach; I 
only seem to single you out because I was replying to you. Rest assured 
I dislike it just as much when someone else employs it. That's what 
motivated me to say the problem (as I see it) is getting worse.


Cheers,

Warren

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Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

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On 03/20/2014 01:45 PM, Richmond wrote:

I am sorry to say that the middle button: "You Only" does not
work as it stops with a windows that states this:

"The installer will automatically continue when these conflicting
applications are closed:



Running openSUSE with KDE. I just installed by opening 6.5.2 and 
choosing to update when offered the option. As soon as the update 
started downloading (while it was downloading) I quit 6.5.2. This would 
be the conflicting application you're being warned about. The update 
proceeded normally, installing for only my user, correctly installed in 
~/.runrev and appears in the launch menu as expected.


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Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

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On 03/20/2014 03:27 PM, Richmond wrote:

I got that message having downloaded the installer, and attempting to
install from that
rather than via the upgrade system from inside an earlier version.



Well, that's not good! I hadn't realized you were using the straight 
installer and was additionally confused by having read Peter's message 
about having trouble with the updater. That's what I'll tell the judge, 
anyway.


What happens if you use the update system?

Good luck,

Warren

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Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

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On 03/20/2014 03:27 PM, Richmond wrote:

I got that message having downloaded the installer, and attempting to
install from that
rather than via the upgrade system from inside an earlier version.

Richmond.



Richmond, I just tried it using the downloaded installer (both 
community and commercial versions). It worked as expected. I wonder if 
you might have had a left over .setup process running without you 
knowing. I have found that this will still occasionally not close when 
it should. Check your running processes before running the installer.


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Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

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On 03/20/2014 10:02 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

It is quite simply correct, and not doing it is wrong.




Thank you very much for your response. No, I'm not out of my mind and 
your statement is your opinion and nothing more and I heartily disagree. 
The reasoning I gave - maintaining readability through several rounds of 
replies - is valid. Have a good evening.


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Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

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On 03/21/2014 04:26 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

No, its broke. ...  Maybe
there is something else dependency?


Since it's worked for others, it might not be correct to say "it's 
broke". There must be some definable reason it's not working on your 
system and a dependency issue sounds like the most probable cause. I 
don't see that the specified dependencies have changed, although there 
is evidence that the dependencies listed as optional are becoming 
required. People with disappearing interface text in 6.5 fixed that by 
installing libpango (32 bit version). If you've had 6.5 running without 
issue, then you might be lacking something else. As a first step, I 
would suggest you check your system for all the "optional" libs.


Good luck,

Warren




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Re: 7.0 dp 2 still not much cop on Linux

[Warren Samples]

On 04/10/2014 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote:

The problem I pointed out in DP1 is still there with the dictionary:

Not possible to type into the search field of the Dictionary.

UbuntuStudio 14.04

Richmond.



Not that it helps solve the problem you're having, but I don't have this 
issue here on my system running openSUSE, LC 7.0-dp1.


Warren

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Re: 6.6.1 no bueno

[Warren Samples]

On 04/14/2014 10:57 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Hi all.

Release 6.6.1 is no bueno. Try this: Launch 6.6.1. Open a new stack. Drag a 
combo box into the stack. Double click the combo box to get properties. Do you 
get the property inspector? I don’t.

Now do the same thing, only this time, drag a regular push button into the new 
stack and double click. NOW you get the property inspector, and dragging a new 
combo box and double clicking it will give you the property inspector as well.

Seems if the combo box is the first thing you get properties for after a 
launch, you will not get the properties inspector at all for anything, but if 
you get properties for something else first, the property inspector seems to 
work fine.

If you do this after you have been running for a while, chances are you will 
have already gotten the property inspector for something else and the test will 
be no good. I have already removed all the plugins so that is not an issue.

If others can reproduce this, I will submit a bug report. I am running 
Mavericks 10.9.2 on a 15” Macbook Pro.

Bob




I see this here in Linux, too. (openSUSE)

Warren


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Re: 6.6.1 no bueno

[Warren Samples]

On 04/15/2014 09:58 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Seems only a few people seeing this. Might be a corrupted prefs issue. Also, if 
you are running any add-on that does properties, that may be getting around it.

Bob



Renamed the Plugins and preferences folders and this issue persists. (Linux)

Warren

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Re: [WOT] Warning - long winded discussion - was Re: Apple iPad announcement evokes yawn

[Warren Samples]

On 03/09/2012 12:27 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 3/8/12 11:15 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:





Ignore all that other advice. Just give a couple of your kids to the
neighbors.




This is the answer to so many problems, although not always conducive to 
good relations with the neighbors!


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Re: [OT] Free SSL certificates available

[Warren Samples]

On 03/11/2012 05:03 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

Hi Andre,

Is StartSSL the one in Israel?

I think when I looked at them it was only free for 1 month.
They were also very intrusive, almost like spyware, so
I didn't end up going with them.

Let me know.

Rick



http://www.startssl.com/?app=40

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Re: What is wrong with this ?

[Warren Samples]

On 03/12/2012 10:54 AM, Ken Corey wrote:

On 12/03/2012 15:38, John Dixon wrote:

on mouseUp
put"https://gg.com/racing";  into raceListURL
put URL raceListURL into fld 1
end mouseUp

It will not work for me under Win XP from boot camp... Can anyone tell
me why ?


It's not a help, but as a negative data point it seems to work for me
(LiveCode 5.5dp1, Windows 7 64 bit).

-Ken



Also works here in XP (running inside VirtualBox on a Linux machine), in 
both Livecode 4.6.4 and 5.0.2.


Warren

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Re: What is wrong with this ?

[Warren Samples]

On 03/12/2012 12:38 PM, John Dixon wrote:

It does however beg the question as to why this is undocumented ?



And also the question 'why is there a problem there, but not here?'

Warren

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Re: How do I execute a shell command?

[Warren Samples]

On 03/13/2012 11:29 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

The docs say to execute a shell command you can do:
shell("ls -l *.txt")

However, this fails for me with:
Message execution error:
Error description: Handler: can't find handler
Hint: shell("ls

How do I run a shell command from inside LiveCode on a Mac?

The full solution I want to do is to run the "id" command as administrator so I could run 
"sudo id" but I want to prompt for a successful authentication.

I know how to do this in AppleScript so I could just call that but I would 
rather to it in LC.

Bill Vlahos



shell() is a function not a command. From the looks of it, you seem to 
have left off the 'get' or 'put' command to execute the function.


Warren

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Re: OT - BING HAS TAKEN OVER MY SEARCH ENGINE

[Warren Samples]

On 03/14/2012 11:11 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Thanks Fellas,

Even after removing Bing and restarting and Quitting/starting, Bing still 
showed up as the active search engine. I don't trust them at all now. VERY 
insidious! Guess I'll just use Safari now. Seems as if it's a little better 
than it was a couple of months ago.

Joe Wilkins



Have you tried to edit the preference using "about:config"?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config

Type "about:config", without the quotes, in the address bar. Dismiss the 
warning. Type "search", without the quotes, in the filter field. Look 
for "browser.search.defaultenginename" - it's the second line in my 
case. What soes it say? If it says "Google", then something is 
definitely screwy because it's not using the specified default. If it 
says "Bling", then right-click anywhere in that line, select "Modify" 
from the contextual menu and type "Google" into the dialog, without the 
quotes. Click "OK". Maybe restart Firefox and you *should* be ok.


Good luck!

Warren

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Re: OT - BING HAS TAKEN OVER MY SEARCH ENGINE

[Warren Samples]

On 03/14/2012 11:42 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

continued frustration. Result was "website cannot be found". (sigh!)
Thanks anyway! Just not my day. My vision is poorer than usual today.
Joe Wilkins



That seems odd. You can edit the prefs files directly in a text editor. 
It's not difficult or scary. You need to know where your profile is and 
which one if there are more than one. This may help:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder
http://gemal.dk/mozilla/profile.html


MAKE SURE FIREFOX IS NOT OPEN WHILE YOU DO EDIT THE FILE!!!

Once you've found your profile directory, open the file called prefs.js 
in your favorite text editor. Search for 
"browser.search.defaultenginename". You want that line to look this way:


user_pref("browser.search.defaultenginename", "Google");

You may also have a file called user.js  Check that to make sure it 
doesn't have anything that conflicts with this. 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file


Good luck :)

Warren



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Re: OT - BING HAS TAKEN OVER MY SEARCH ENGINE

[Warren Samples]

On 03/14/2012 12:25 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

On 03/14/2012 11:42 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

continued frustration. Result was "website cannot be found". (sigh!)
Thanks anyway! Just not my day. My vision is poorer than usual today.
Joe Wilkins



That seems odd. You can edit the prefs files directly in a text editor.
It's not difficult or scary. You need to know where your profile is and
which one if there are more than one. This may help:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder
http://gemal.dk/mozilla/profile.html


MAKE SURE FIREFOX IS NOT OPEN WHILE YOU DO EDIT THE FILE!!!

Once you've found your profile directory, open the file called prefs.js
in your favorite text editor. Search for
"browser.search.defaultenginename". You want that line to look this way:

user_pref("browser.search.defaultenginename", "Google");

You may also have a file called user.js Check that to make sure it
doesn't have anything that conflicts with this.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file

Good luck :)

Warren





I should have tried this before I wrote. There are two lines that need 
to be checked:


user_pref("browser.search.defaultenginename", "Google");
user_pref("browser.search.defaulturl", "http://www.google.com/";);

I'm not sure why, but it's not working here as simply as it should. Set 
this in prefs.js and for good measure, also create a file "user.js" in 
this same folder and add these lines to it:


# my search engine preference
user_pref("browser.search.defaultenginename", "Google");
user_pref("browser.search.defaulturl", "http://www.google.com/";);

Good luck!

Warren



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Re: Serious Question about the list...

[Warren Samples]

On 03/18/2012 08:51 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

I am automatically notified of any new message on this mailing list. I don't 
know of a way to do this with the forum messages (unless I'm already 
participating in the discussion)



RSS works, although it's not quite as nice as a properly threaded 
mailbox, at least for those receiving all posts individually. (On my 
computer, Thunderbird does a horrible job of threading. Kmail is much 
better and when I ran OS X, Powermail did this perfectly.)


Warren

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Re: using a special keyboard in livecode fields (in Windows 7)

[Warren Samples]

On 03/20/2012 12:37 PM, Richmond wrote:

On a Mac, a Win or a Lin?



Did you fall asleep before you reached the end of the subject?

:D

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote:

I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps
I develop on my Mac.  I don't really want another computer.  It seems like
Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their
computers.  Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it
somehow?



If you have enough memory, it may be more useful, and simpler, to run a 
Linux distro inside VirtualBox or VMWare. To make that even easier, you 
can find, using your favorite search engine, downloadable, ready to go 
virtual machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and 
older versions. For casual use, this would be my recommendation.


Good luck,

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote:

the VM approach solves
the hardware problem.  So now I'm left with the question of which Linux
distro to go for
Pete



Since you can test them so easily, I would suggest firstly not to be too 
anxious about making the "best" decision. You don't have to decide 
Before you start; you can decide as you go. Again, you can download 
either fully set up virtual machine disks or run almost any distro from 
a liveCD, which is also a fabulously easy way to trial a distro. I run 
openSUSE, currently and ran Mint 9 and 10 before that. For what you 
expect to be casual use, I would think that the Desktop Environment (the 
Unity, KDE, Gnome, Enlightment, XFCE, LXDE things that people talk about 
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment) will be the most 
important consideration. You will need to find the one that is the most 
intuitive to you. After that, the software management aspect may be the 
second most important. This was much simpler in Mint than it is in 
openSUSE.


I would recommend you try a Mint version first. I have no experience 
with Gnome 3, but Mint 9 is the long term support version of that distro 
and uses gnome 2. Mint 10 was very pleasant to use but it will lose 
support next month. I had bad experience with KDE under Mint and Kubuntu 
has a very poor reputation, so it's hard to recommend KDE in those 
distros. Do a little research about desktop variants of whatever disto 
you are gravitating to and (taking everything with heaping spoonfuls of 
salt) you should find some helpful info.


Inside VirtualBox, you will probably find your desktop doesn't run with 
effects (Compiz, KWin) so you save some memory. This somewhat equalizes 
the playing field between the "heavy feature-full" (aka bloated) Desktop 
Environments and the "light nimble" (aka primitive) ones. That *should* 
mean you won't be making as many performance/feature sacrifices as you 
look for what best suits your taste.


Good luck!

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote:

So now I'm left with the question of which Linux
distro to go for



FWIW:

http://dt.deviantart.com/journal/poll/1202084/

http://enigmacommunity.org/forums/topic/1099-whats-your-favorite-linux-desktop-environment/

http://www.muktware.com/survey/3444/poll-which-de-you-use

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/24/2012 09:44 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

The easiest way for a beginner is a WUBI installation.  You don't need an
emulator or virtual box or parallels, etc.  Just a PC that is already
running Windows.  When you install Ubuntu via WUBI, it is just a series of
folders on the hard-drive (no dedicated partition necessary).  This method
sets it up to dual-boot, so you just choose which OS to run when you turn
the computer on.  To remove it, you just uninstall it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYw6dOXw3pc

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer

~Roger



That's interesting. I had never seen this. It seems a really simple and 
great way to deal with dual-boot installation, provided that one wants 
to run Ubuntu. However a dual-boot system is not nearly as convenient 
for many purposes, such as "let me see real quick how this looks/works 
on Linux and Windows". I see that convenience as a big plus for virtual 
machines. Although I recognize the advantages of running the OS 
natively, for a lot of purposes this is moot. Maybe it's a case of 
choose the tool that lets you do the job the way you want it done ;)


Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote:


 you can find downloadable, ready to go virtual
 machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and
 older versions.


Here are some links to preconfigured virtual disk images.

http://virtualboxes.org/images/

http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualboximage/files/

http://virtualboximages.com/Free.VirtualBox.VDI.Downloads

http://virtualboximages.com/

and info on how to get one running once you've downloaded it:

http://virtualboxes.org/doc/

Good luck!

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote:

  So now I'm left with the question of which Linux
distro to go for
Pete



More ideas that might interest you :)

Since you are mainly working in OS X and I assume you are happy and 
comfortable working in that interface, you may be interested in a linux 
distro that is set up out of the box to look and act much like OS X. You 
can do this in any distro but this would be a simpler route, and for 
someone who might not want to spend a lot of time and effort fiddling 
with a system he's not planning to use every day, a very sensible choice.


http://www.unixmen.com/pear-linux-comice-os-4-0-has-been-released-screenshots-tour-video/

http://www.pear-os-linux.fr/

"Do-it-yourself" ideas:

http://beta.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/how-to-make-linux-mint-look-like-os-x-1040983

http://lifehacker.com/5665765/macbuntu-makes-your-linux-desktop-look-like-mac-os-x

http://www.internetling.com/2008/03/24/linux-docks-5-mac-os-x-docks-for-ubuntu-and-other-linux-distros/

http://www.howtogeek.com/45817/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-mac-os-x/

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-docks.html

http://linuxlibrary.org/applications/linux-desktop-docks-panels/

youtube also has lots of videos of people demonstrating their "Mac-like" 
Linux desktops. You might enjoy a peek at a few of those.


Good luck!

Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/25/2012 12:38 PM, Richmond wrote:

As a Mac-o-philiac I have spent some time playing around with PearOS,
and can honestly say "it sucks";

it being neither one thing nor the other.

Also, for Mac types; the initial set up does NOT have desktop icons,
and it is a right cough-cough-cough finding one's Home folder and so on.

The eye-candy is Mac-like; the functionality is not. And by fudging
around with GNOME 3 to produce a supposedly Mac-like interface
they have just obscured some of the useful features of GNOME 3.

This reminds me of attempts in the past to build Linux distros with
interfaces that are clones of Windows XP; similarly silly.

When one moves to another operating system there is a learning curve
involved, and it is disingenuous to pretend there is not.

PearOS is rather like Water-wings or those funny little wheels on the sides
of bikes; you will become dependent on them, and never learn to
swim/ride a bike
properly.

---

My vote for ease of use for a new Linux user who is coming from Mac,
right now,
is Xubuntu:

http://xubuntu.org/

or Mint with XFCE:

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1818

You are more than welcome to e-mail me directly (i.e. off-list) if you
have any further questions.

Richmond Mathewson.


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:D as I said "heaping spoonfuls of salt". Mint is wonderful and XFCE is 
a very straightforward and traditional DE. Both are fine 
recommendations, although I am leery of Mint rolling Debian which is the 
only "official" XFCE version I could find on the Mint download page. Is 
it perhaps an alternative install within the Gnome DVD?


One thing that maybe could be said that for someone who wants mainly to 
have a Linux install available to test Livecode apps and perhaps run 
Livecode to tidy up applications being built for Linux, it may not 
matter at all which distro or DE you run, the only caveat to that being 
that you're better off installing a 32-bit version saving you the step 
of installing 32-bit compatibility libs. So long as you can get easy 
access to your stacks and apps from your Mac, and create an easy access 
to Livecode on your your Linux install, you might not find any reason to 
prefer one distro or DE over any other.


That said, I think, Richmond, while it absolutely true that each OS 
requires adjustment and learning, this is a much more involved topic in 
approaching Linux due to the extreme variety of choice regarding distro 
and DE. People seek a certain comfort level and familiarity can be a 
major factor. The disruption of familiarity is one of the roots of the 
current DE rumblings. I don't see anything wrong at all with customizing 
the DE experience to mimic either OS X or Windows, if that makes the 
user happy. The comment about water wings and training wheels is silly 
on two levels. It ignores the real value of them - enabling the 
inexperienced to participate in and enjoy an activity in comfort and 
safety as they gain familiarity and confidence - and overstates the 
"danger". It's ludicrous to say that anyone who rides a bike with 
training wheels will never ride without them, or who floats with water 
wings will never learn swim. Surely you don't believe that! As an 
extension of that argument, why not promote Gentoo, Arch, and Slackware? 
Higher learning curve = more genuine experience?! I suspect you don't 
actually believe that, at least not when put so directly. It is an old 
attitude in the Linux community that is thankfully becoming less 
prominent. Please be cautious not to promote it!!!


I have never used any version of Pear OS and only presented it as an 
available alternative with a rationale for why Pete may find it 
attractive. Have you tried the most recent version? Some people seem to 
like it, http://sourceforge.net/projects/pearoslinux/reviews/ . Here's a 
review of a pre-release version which may be interesting: 
http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/02/15/pear-linux-comice-os-4-beta-1-review/ 
. Just for fun, I'm about to install it in a VM to have a look. (slow 
download)


My DE is KDE 4.8 and I like it very much. I don't use all its features 
but it does some things that a really love. It works for me and makes me 
happy. While  it's very popular (despite Richmond's feelings about it), 
it doesn't suit everyone (see Richmond's feelings about it - feelings 
he's perfectly entitled to, of course). I feel comfortable recommending 
it as a good option. Kubuntu has a very poor reputation among KDE users, 
but it sounds like Mint is improving its KDE version.

http://youtu.be/ou9HIdlSQq0
http://youtu.be/Em3KOFvQSTY


I do agree with Richmond that Mint or Ubuntu may be the most foolproof 
way to approach Linux. (Saying that does not in

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/25/2012 03:13 PM, Warren Samples wrote:


:D as I said "heaping spoonfuls of salt"



Also applies to all my opinionated advice, highly biased - and 
definitely not representative of anyone else's experience - no matter 
how much I try to make it appear otherwise ;)


Warren

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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

[Warren Samples]

On 03/25/2012 12:38 PM, Richmond wrote:

I have spent some time playing around with PearOS,
and can honestly say "it sucks";



I installed the latest version, Comice OS 4, and gave it only a quick 
look. While I don't mind if someone likes it, I wouldn't recommend it to 
anyone, especially with hopes that it might an easy transition from OS 
X. Choosing Comice Classic at login, I did have a working dock with 
icons which included "Finder" so finding my home folder was a cinch. The 
Dock icon set mysteriously changed at some point and I could not find an 
obvious way to do that deliberately. Beyond that, the control center 
made me feel mostly like there was little I could do to take control. 
The software center seems very easy to "get", though, and that's a big 
plus. The UI has with good snap, but in the end, a lot of simple basic 
stuff is not intuitive for the new user. I think even less than most of 
the more traditional flavored DEs.


I also discovered that my unmodified install is useless with Livecode, 
which is Pete's interest. There are all kinds of problems with 
characters in scripts. you can't use "/". Quotes are treated literally 
as in:


put "something" into tAnything; put tAnything

returns "something" with the quotes. If someone can tell me what's the 
likely cause, I'd be interested to know :D Even more interested in 
knowing how to remedy it.


It was only a cursory look. I've never liked the stock OS X Dock and 
always ran it without 3D, reflections and animations and set it out of 
the way in the lower left corner, so this was definitely not a positive 
feature for me, but that's a matter of taste. That said, this distro has 
some real drawbacks in my opinion. Pete, this is not the best choice. 
Sorry to have brought it up.


Warren

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Re: near feature parity

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On 04/02/2012 06:15 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

I gave up on LiveCode on Linux some years ago.

Last week I downloaded and installed one of the v5.x installers from
my LiveCode account, and installed it on Mint Linux.  As soon as I
started LiveCode, it hung.  Luckily, as it started, the LiveCode
window was smaller than the monitor - as even when I started the task
killer to kill it, the task killer could not get access to any portion
of the screen in which the LiveCode window was located.

If I'd been able to get LiveCode to work, I was prepared to pay for
Linux deployment.  As I couldn't, I saved myself some money (for about
the 3rd or 4th year running).

To my recollection, I've had trouble with LiveCode on Mint, OpenSuse
and CentOS - 3 of the top 7 distros on distrowatch.org.  I can't even
recollect if I ever got it to work satisfactorily on Debian or Ubuntu
- I'm sure I tried.  I think I might have it installed on an Ubuntu
laptop, so when I get back, I'll have a look (just to satisfy my own
belief that it was a cause worth giving up on).

The money I saved on paying for only the minimum that I need from
Runrev bought me a new Macbook Air (a device I love, so I'm not
complaining -- even though I hate the direction in which Apple is
going).

Bernard



FWIW, I never had any trouble running Livecode under Mint 9 and 10, both 
64 bit with compatibility libs installed, and 32 bit native, and have 
run it without any problems under openSUSE 11.4 and, currently, 12.1, 64 
bit with 32 bit libs installed.


Warren

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Re: near feature parity

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On 04/03/2012 12:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Still would be nice to have feature parity and not cost*more*  than
the other platforms. That's just insulting.

-- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net



:) I agree with this entirely.

I haven't been running Livecode under Linux for all that long, no 
earlier than v4.(something), but I just felt that Bernard's post could 
be unnecessarily discouraging to those who might otherwise give it a 
try. My motive for posting was to provide some counterbalance to that. 
Not to dismiss the problems and inconvenience caused by the known issues 
and relatively lacking features, it does work and works mostly well (in 
all *my* experience), within the limitations imposed by these missing 
features and known issues.


Warren

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Re: Browse tool. I give up.

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On 04/09/2012 11:18 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:



I have been doing this sort of thing for so many years, and still find the 
simplest things will not work.


OK. Someone tell me why I cannot choose the browse tool under script control 
upon opening a stack in a new session.
Wait. Maybe I should write an openstack or opencard handler that has "choose browse 
tool" in it.
Wait. That does not work. And the funny thing is that I can place all kinds of 
other stuff, beeps, text loads, whatever,
on both or either sides of that line, and though all the other stuff works 
fine, the tool will still start off as a pointer.


I will finally deliver this stack with "cantModify" set to true, so the problem 
will go away, but what on earth do I not know
in the meantime?


Craig Newman



It sounds like you're launching Livecode by opening the stack. The 
problem is that the stack opens before the IDE is fully loaded and you 
are attempting to get the IDE to do something it's not ready for. 
Putting 'choose browse tool' into an openstack handler works fine here, 
so long as the IDE is open before the stack is opened, but not if I 
attempt to launch Livecode by opening the stack. Colin's script works, 
but you might notice the stack opens and when the IDE first opens, it is 
set to pointer and then switches to browse, which demonstrates the problem.


Warren

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Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program

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On 04/10/2012 07:04 PM, Pete wrote:

I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or
just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program
be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be
that straightforward with tar?
Pete


I wouldn't say there's anything difficult about compressing using 
tar+bzip2, which gives much higher compression than ZIP.


In a terminal:

cd to directory containing the directory you want to archive and compress

issue the command: tar cfj name-of-archive-to-create.tbz2 
name-of-directory-to-archive


Done

It seems simple enough.

Warren




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Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program

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On 04/10/2012 07:54 PM, Pete wrote:

Hi Warren,
It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my
machine.  Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a
Windows user to install some software.
Pete



Yes, that is something completely different :D You could offer the more 
efficient tbz2 format for your Mac users (and your Linux users when you 
get to that) and the ZIP format for your Windows users. You could also 
offer your Windows users a tbz2 version alongside the ZIP version and 
some info on software they could use to open it. If your users have 
managed to find your software and are capable of installing it, they 
should also have no trouble installing the software to decompress the 
archive. You just don't want to make it a requirement! Will you need to 
recreate these archives so frequently that this will be a terrible 
burden on you?


It was Mark who commented that tar+compression seems like too much work 
without any benefit, and my original comment was mostly a response to 
that thought.


Warren

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Re: Linux application crashes

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On 04/13/2012 10:22 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

The tarball can be gotten here...

http://www.box.com/s/07d396287def00f59b8e

If you launch the application then all you need to do is click any of the
images in the scrolling field and watch the memory.



This problem is very evident here, certainly a much more obvious and 
rapid drain than the memory leak discussed earlier in the week.


Besides the accumulating memory usage, I also get a severe example of 
windows being rendered with artifacts and noise from elements from 
previous windows and elements in other, current, windows. I get this in 
(most) other applications, primarily when an app opens its initial 
window and sometimes in menu dropdowns and such. It almost always only 
occurs once per window and it's never as problematic as I find it in 
this particular app (Stress PDF Reporter). Here it occurs with each 
graph selected and the display is virtually unreadable. Toggling window 
effects has no effect (not a pun) at all.


Warren

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Re: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly

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On 04/16/2012 06:14 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

Until the software is actually for sale, it probably does not make much sense 
to get worked up about their distribution system for large organizations.




If one wishes to prevent a plan from becoming a problem, it may be that 
"before it matters" is very much the right time to make a fuss. It's not 
that hard to see that this imposes all kinds of frustrating burden for 
someone trying to administer a lot of computers. That Bob is fuming at 
Apple makes me wonder if Satan is wearing a sweater today :D


Warren

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Re: Upgrade to Lion

[Warren Samples]

On 06/01/2012 10:15 AM, Paul Looney wrote:

Obviously Apple is thinking ahead to the day when all of the Macs will have 
SSDs.



This is a coin whose flip side is that they would obviously not be 
thinking about their current users whose computers do not. That makes 
this coin worth zero cents. For a company whose reputation is so tied to 
its (alleged) concern for "user experience" that would be a rather 
galling decision. Allowing a toggle wouldn't have negative impact while 
its omission clearly does.


Warren

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Re: Crashing documentation on Linux

[Warren Samples]

On 06/06/2012 02:36 PM, Richmond wrote:

At the risk of being boring I am reposting part of a message that I
posted under a different heading:

An on-going problem is that the RR/LC Dictionary crashes the IDE on
Linux (3.5, 4.0, 4.5 at least),
and, at last, I have found a suitably mental workaround for this problem
. . . .

Build Metacard using Jacque's 2.0.1 Metacard builder from RevOnline.

Open your new Metacard, export the Dictionary with a suitable new title
into the plugins folder of your RR/LC.

Remember to add the suffix .rev at the end.

And, "Bob's your Uncle", you have a dictionary in the plugins folder
that won't crash your RR/LC IDE every time you try to refer to it.

Richmond Mathewson




That's a very inventive fix, and I'm glad you found a way to address the 
problem. For the benefit of anyone who may see this and be deterred from 
considering Livecode under Linux, I don't have this issue running 4.5.3 
and higher on my system running Linux. (4.5.3 is the earliest version of 
Livecode I have installed currently.)


Best,

Warren

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Re: Crashing documentation on Linux

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On 06/06/2012 04:27 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

The problem with the dictionary crashing in linux is with user-added notes. Try
opening the dictionary entry to "repeat".


I do this and nothing untoward happens in either Livecode 4.5.3 or 5.5. 
I see several user added notes, but no crashing. Is there some other 
step? I can bring up "repeat", close the dictionary and open it back up 
and the entry for "repeat" is still displayed. No crash.


openSUSE 12.1, KDE 4.8

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Re: Crashing documentation on Linux

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On 06/06/2012 05:27 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

I'm sure it's a conspiracy on the part of that fiendish rev team to get us all
to switch from linux to Windows. But I'm keeping my tinfoil hat right where it
belongs. You can't take the sky from me.

-- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net



Well, it doesn't seem to be affecting me here, for whatever reason. I am 
frequently the victim of weirdness that most everyone else seem to 
escape, so I will happily accept this little bone that fate seems to 
have tossed my way :D


Warren

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Re: Unable to install livecode on Linux, why?

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On 06/15/2012 02:19 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

I am probably doing something silly, but can anyone help with why this should 
be happening?

I hosed my Debian installation (don't ask!).  So not having done a new install 
for many years and several new computers, I decided the thing to do was start 
from scratch again.  Its not a big deal, you just wipe your root partition and 
reinstall, then after you've laboriously installed all the apps again, and its 
amazing how many there were, all the menus and all the data files link up 
perfectly.

So, this leaves LiveCode.  Download the installer using firefox. Open terminal. 
 cd to Download.  ls shows its there.  Try to run it, and it says file does not 
exist.  OK, lets confirm its there and being invoked beyond any doubt.  So I 
create a directory livecode and move the installer to it.  It moves fine.  Now 
we try to run it.  Doing it like this there can't be any silly spelling 
mistakes.


~/livecode$ ls
LiveCodeInstaller-4_5_3-Linux.x86
:~/livecode$ ./L*
bash: ./LiveCodeInstaller-4_5_3-Linux.x86: No such file or directory

same thing happens if I become root.  Its not because its an archive, either.  
Try to open it with archive manager from thunar file manager and the same thing 
happens.  Its not the file manager, do it from gnome commander, same thing 
(well, that just invokes a terminal so its not surprising).

Any suggestions?  Its probably something completely stupid, but what?

Peter




Peter is your Linux install 64 bit? I just installed Mint 13 in 64 bit 
(in VirtualBox) and get this same message. Furthermore, lld says it's 
not a linked executable, and says the same thing about Livecode itself 
after I copied over a working installation from another machine. I 
checked my Mint 9 32 bit insatll and it works. I then installed Mint 13 
32 bit and it works fine as well. 64 bit Mint now ships with 32 bit libs 
preinstalled but it may be that some additional libs are necessary to 
get Livecode working. If I read the Mint docs correctly not everything 
that used to be installed with ia32libs is included. Could you be having 
this kind of issue?


Good luck,

Warren

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Re: Unable to install livecode on Linux, why?

[Warren Samples]

On 06/15/2012 09:57 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

On 06/15/2012 02:19 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

I am probably doing something silly, but can anyone help with why this
should be happening?

I hosed my Debian installation (don't ask!). So not having done a new
install for many years and several new computers, I decided the thing
to do was start from scratch again. Its not a big deal, you just wipe
your root partition and reinstall, then after you've laboriously
installed all the apps again, and its amazing how many there were, all
the menus and all the data files link up perfectly.

So, this leaves LiveCode. Download the installer using firefox. Open
terminal. cd to Download. ls shows its there. Try to run it, and it
says file does not exist. OK, lets confirm its there and being invoked
beyond any doubt. So I create a directory livecode and move the
installer to it. It moves fine. Now we try to run it. Doing it like
this there can't be any silly spelling mistakes.


~/livecode$ ls
LiveCodeInstaller-4_5_3-Linux.x86
:~/livecode$ ./L*
bash: ./LiveCodeInstaller-4_5_3-Linux.x86: No such file or directory

same thing happens if I become root. Its not because its an archive,
either. Try to open it with archive manager from thunar file manager
and the same thing happens. Its not the file manager, do it from gnome
commander, same thing (well, that just invokes a terminal so its not
surprising).

Any suggestions? Its probably something completely stupid, but what?

Peter




Peter is your Linux install 64 bit? I just installed Mint 13 in 64 bit
(in VirtualBox) and get this same message. Furthermore, lld says it's
not a linked executable, and says the same thing about Livecode itself
after I copied over a working installation from another machine. I
checked my Mint 9 32 bit insatll and it works. I then installed Mint 13
32 bit and it works fine as well. 64 bit Mint now ships with 32 bit libs
preinstalled but it may be that some additional libs are necessary to
get Livecode working. If I read the Mint docs correctly not everything
that used to be installed with ia32libs is included. Could you be having
this kind of issue?

Good luck,

Warren




Adding some 32 bit libs in the software center in Mint 13 has helped. 
This is clearly the problem. Livecode is not working with the new 
multiarch system implemented in Mint 13. ldd now gives me this:


warren@mint-13-64 ~ $ ldd 
'/home/warren/Downloads/LiveCodeInstaller-4_6_4-Linux.x86'

linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf774)
libdl.so.2 => /lib32/libdl.so.2 (0xf7725000)
libX11.so.6 => not found
libm.so.6 => /lib32/libm.so.6 (0xf76fa000)
libXext.so.6 => not found
libpthread.so.0 => /lib32/libpthread.so.0 (0xf76df000)
libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf753c000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7741000)


I'm not sure what the best route to the missing X libs is. They aren't 
available in the software center as far as I can tell.


I had no trouble in the past getting Livecode to work in 64 bit Mint 10, 
and openSUSE 11.4 and 12.1 just by installing the basic 32 bit 
compatibility libs. It would be a big blow to usability if Livecode does 
not work as expected as distros adopt a new architecture for 32 bit 
compatibility. It will affect all standalones, as well.


Warren


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Re: Unable to install livecode on Linux, why?

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On 06/16/2012 11:51 AM, Warren Samples wrote:

Adding some 32 bit libs in the software center in Mint 13 has helped.
This is clearly the problem. Livecode is not working with the new
multiarch system implemented in Mint 13.



Ok, missing 32 bit libs was the problem. It's working now, but it was 
somewhat more complicated than it should have been to get the 
ia32-libs-multiarch:i386  installed using Software Manager. Software 
Manger was simply failing to install the package and it required some 
work in terminal to get it done, but now it's all working fine.


Peter, you might update apt-get and try 'sudo apt-get install ia32-libs' 
and see if that does the trick for you.


Good luck!

Warren

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Re: Unable to install livecode on Linux, why?

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On 06/16/2012 02:53 PM, Richmond wrote:

Peter, you might update apt-get and try 'sudo apt-get install
ia32-libs' and see if that does the trick for you.


"Package 'ia32-libs' has no installation candidate"



Richmond, are you working with a 64 bit installation? If you are, do you 
find ia32-libs listed in one of the gui software managers? It's listed 
in the Mint Software Manager, but wouldn't install. To get this to 
install in Mint, after several failures, I ran these commands in a terminal:


sudo apt-get autoclean
sudo dpkg --configure -a
sudo apt-get clean
sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
sudo apt-get update

and then Software Manager successfully installed the libs. I don't have 
much experience with apt-get and this was a shotgun approach based on a 
forum thread discussing problems someone was having getting Firefox 
installed in Mint 13. I'm happy running openSUSE and was only curious 
about this problem Peter was having, but I have to say the Mint Software 
Manager did not impress me :D


Best,

Warren





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Re: problems building standalone

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On 06/19/2012 11:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 6/19/12 8:53 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

OK, I can't attach that much. Here are links for the message below:
http://dochawk.org:Screen Shot 2012-06-19 at 6.33.48 PM (2).png
http://dochawk.org:Screen Shot 2012-06-19 at 6.42.16 PM.png
http://dochawk.org:Screen Shot 2012-06-19 at 6.43.05 PM.png
http://dochawk.org:Screen Shot 2012-06-19 at 6.43.35 PM.png


I can't get those to work, even if I replace the spaces with "%20".
Could you rename them without spaces and punctuation and try again?

The list doesn't allow enclosures, which is why you couldn't just
include them here.


It was the full filename, not the stackname

(and why can't we copy and paste from those? grr)


You can use the message box:
put the filename of this stack

Then copy it from there.




Replace ":" after ".org" with "/" in tURL


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