date:20100225

As with all other possible alternate technologies and practices, if you really 
like something the thing to do is a proof of concept project.

For a really simple project you could re-implement the example application on 
your preferred technology. That would at least be a starting point for 
comparison of the technologies and development approaches. Beyond that some 
parts of different apps could be built out to further demonstrate the 
superiority of the new tools.

Without that, I guess there really isn't much to discuss, and that's fine 
because also without that it's clear that no one really cares a whole lot about 
it (unless of course someone else does all the work!).

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Miles Huang wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 05:31 -0800, Chris Snow-2 [via OFBiz] wrote:
>> Plugins could be used for separating the modules, this will be more 
>> interesting in Grails 2.0 when the plugin framework will use OSGi - 
>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GRAILS-2221
>> 
> 
> This is a good side witness on the correctness of "Don't re-invent
> wheels". Would it be nice to upgrade a 3rd-party library and sit-back,
> then suddenly an excellent new feature bring in?
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 05:31 -0800, Chris Snow-2 [via OFBiz] wrote:
>> Rather than bring ofbiz to grails, you may find it would be easier to 
>> bring grails to ofbiz, for example it should be relatively trivial to 
>> sit a grails app on top of ofbiz (i.e. as a war file), and use grails
>> to 
>> access the current ofbiz services. 
>> 
> 
> Nice idea. Instead of move the whole platform to Grails as a huge step,
> bring in Grails to OFBIZ, a reversed way could be an easier and more
> acceptable choice. May be one or some components could be re-written in
> Grails, while keep interoperability with other components.  
> 
> When this could be done, more people can make judgement based on the
> running code. And this bring in a gradational upgrade path. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> View this message in context: 
> http://n4.nabble.com/Brain-storm-OFBIZ-on-Grails-is-this-a-right-way-for-the-future-tp1568009p1570179.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails, is this a right way for the future?

2010-02-25 Thread Miles Huang

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 05:31 -0800, Chris Snow-2 [via OFBiz] wrote:
> Plugins could be used for separating the modules, this will be more 
> interesting in Grails 2.0 when the plugin framework will use OSGi - 
> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GRAILS-2221
> 

This is a good side witness on the correctness of "Don't re-invent
wheels". Would it be nice to upgrade a 3rd-party library and sit-back,
then suddenly an excellent new feature bring in?

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 05:31 -0800, Chris Snow-2 [via OFBiz] wrote:
> Rather than bring ofbiz to grails, you may find it would be easier to 
> bring grails to ofbiz, for example it should be relatively trivial to 
> sit a grails app on top of ofbiz (i.e. as a war file), and use grails
> to 
> access the current ofbiz services. 
> 

Nice idea. Instead of move the whole platform to Grails as a huge step,
bring in Grails to OFBIZ, a reversed way could be an easier and more
acceptable choice. May be one or some components could be re-written in
Grails, while keep interoperability with other components.  

When this could be done, more people can make judgement based on the
running code. And this bring in a gradational upgrade path. 

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Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

2010-02-25 Thread Shi Jinghai

The keywords in this discussion are sponsor, OFBiz, competitor. Sponsors
mentioned are vc and giant. Another fact not mentioned but implied is
that some VPs of Apache are also VPs of IBM or other giants.

Perhaps OFBiz is facing a deeper level of requirement: I'm proud I'm an
OFBiz user.


在 2010-02-25四的 21:09 +0100，Jacques Le Roux写道：
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" 
> > Hi Jacques:
> > Just to make my position clear: I am not advocating a "commercial project".
> > I think it is possible to get commercial sponsorship and still stay 
> > community-driven.
> 
> Great Ruth,
> 
> have you an idea on how to begin on this? Looks like we have already some 
> sponsors but of course not the size of some other TLP 
> projects. I guess it's due to the nature of the software and not its quality 
> or anything else.
> Here in France I know some French Companies who are using OFBiz, but none 
> want to speak about that. Some even sell (sold?) it as 
> their projects, with some marketing and an IT team around, of course...
> You know what? Look at the French translation, you will better understand my 
> dissapointement some days... And I'm not speaking about 
> the Neogia team, which hopefully will help us much more some day.
> 
> Jacques
> 
> > Ruth
> >
> > Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> From: "David E Jones" 
> >>> So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it 
> >>> to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
> >>> for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help 
> >>> build this thing, and for some history about that and
> >>> concepts related to it please see my blog:
> >>
> >> Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
> >> This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It will 
> >> take time to prove without the same means than commercial 
> >> projects. Of course this does not mean that nothing should change, but 
> >> carefully.
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > 
> 
>

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

2010-02-25 Thread Sam Hamilton

I think that OFBiz is already sponsored just not quite how it would if
it was a standalone project. How can OFBiz exist if not for the
companies who have paid for getting it to work how they want it to and
then that flowing back in the form of developers who have time to commit
code.

Take the company that I work for - we use or will use OFBiz to power
every single part of our ecommerce business. This meant that we paid for
some of your time to consult and some of your time to write code most of
which has ended back in the project. Did my company sponsor OFBiz - well
in a weird round about way yes it did, perhaps more directly than
sending a cheque to ASF could have.

Just my 2 RMB worth of thoughts.




On 26/02/2010 04:51, David E Jones wrote:
> 
> Why would it need to come from committers? What do committers have to do with 
> sponsorship, or keeping you from helping with sponsorship?
> 
> BTW, this thread was really meant to cover the notion of commercial open 
> source versus community-driven open source. IMO OFBiz is community-driven 
> open source and is indeed driven by sponsors, both individuals and 
> organizations. How else would it exist?
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jacques:
>> I don't think I'm in any position to tell this group anything about how to 
>> get more sponsorship. That needs to come from the committers.
>> Ruth
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" 
 Hi Jacques:
 Just to make my position clear: I am not advocating a "commercial project".
 I think it is possible to get commercial sponsorship and still stay 
 community-driven.
>>>
>>> Great Ruth,
>>>
>>> have you an idea on how to begin on this? Looks like we have already some 
>>> sponsors but of course not the size of some other TLP projects. I guess 
>>> it's due to the nature of the software and not its quality or anything else.
>>> Here in France I know some French Companies who are using OFBiz, but none 
>>> want to speak about that. Some even sell (sold?) it as their projects, with 
>>> some marketing and an IT team around, of course...
>>> You know what? Look at the French translation, you will better understand 
>>> my dissapointement some days... And I'm not speaking about the Neogia team, 
>>> which hopefully will help us much more some day.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
 Ruth

 Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "David E Jones" 
>> So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it 
>> to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
>> for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help 
>> build this thing, and for some history about that and
>> concepts related to it please see my blog:
>
> Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
> This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It will 
> take time to prove without the same means than commercial projects. Of 
> course this does not mean that nothing should change, but carefully.
>
> Jacques
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

Yes you are right, i made an error copying the change from trunk to 9.04
by hand...

should be ok now in r916539

Regards,
Hans

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 18:07 -0800, Koon Sang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't think the issue is resolved.  You only modified the file
> specialpurpose\ecommerce\widget\RequestScreens.xml to change
> component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl to
> component://ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/request/requestRoles.ftl.  Now the
> requestInfo.ftl appears twice in the same screen, one at the "lefthalf" of
> the container and the other at the "righthalf" of the container.  Shouldn't
> you be putting back the file order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-- 
Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates

Re: Ecommerce Error

2010-02-25 Thread Koon Sang


Hi,

I don't think the issue is resolved.  You only modified the file
specialpurpose\ecommerce\widget\RequestScreens.xml to change
component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl to
component://ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/request/requestRoles.ftl.  Now the
requestInfo.ftl appears twice in the same screen, one at the "lefthalf" of
the container and the other at the "righthalf" of the container.  Shouldn't
you be putting back the file order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl?









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Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

feel free to link to the ones not on the infra, from the good page and
replace them as the infra gives you room.

Tim Ruppert sent the following on 2/25/2010 4:12 PM:
> Feel free to drop A, 1 and 2 - they are attached to the page.  Hopefully the 
> ASF will respond to the infra requests sometime soon and we'll get those 
> posted 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
> 
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 5:05 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> 
>> here are the videos.
>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/ofbiz_framework_introduction_vid.shtml
>>
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:33 PM:
 From what the infra team said we can push them on IRC #asfinfra or
 Twitter #infrabot, but I must admit that I have not enough time 
>>> at the moment to commit myself on this task :/
>>> I will try this weekend though... Also BJ made a proposition (not the
>>> svn one I mean)...
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Tim Ruppert" 
>>> I won't contribute to going back to what we were providing and was asked
>>> to move onto ASF infra.  I'm happy to post them up to the ASF server
>>> somewhere - but getting someone to do something as simple as adding a
>>> domain name has been next to impossible 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Michael Sudermann wrote:
>>>
 Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but
 if it
 takes some time it would be better to make the videos available
 elsewhere than
 having it available nowhere.

 I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz.
 But if I
 could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring
 holidays ;-)

 Cheers,
 Michael

 Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:

> There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra -
> that's
 why we made the move right?  If
> someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm
> sure we
 can make it happen 
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> David:
>> are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
>> work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?
>>
>> Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
>> till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
>> I have them just don't make them public.
>>
>>
>> David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:
>>> A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:
>>>
 How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (

 http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams

 )

 None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache
 OFBiz
 Advanced Framework Training

 Package",

 and the "Complete Remote Training

 Package"

 links.

 What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?

 If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of
 Rapidshare,
 4shared, Megaupload, etc.?

 Thanks,
 Goran
>>>
>
> Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 2437 bytes



>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams


Thanks BJ,

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 

here are the videos.
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/ofbiz_framework_introduction_vid.shtml


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:33 PM:

From what the infra team said we can push them on IRC #asfinfra or
Twitter #infrabot, but I must admit that I have not enough time 

at the moment to commit myself on this task :/
I will try this weekend though... Also BJ made a proposition (not the
svn one I mean)...

Jacques

From: "Tim Ruppert" 
I won't contribute to going back to what we were providing and was asked
to move onto ASF infra.  I'm happy to post them up to the ASF server
somewhere - but getting someone to do something as simple as adding a
domain name has been next to impossible 

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Michael Sudermann wrote:





Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but
if it
takes some time it would be better to make the videos available
elsewhere than
having it available nowhere.

I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz.
But if I
could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring
holidays ;-)

Cheers,
Michael

Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:



There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra -
that's

why we made the move right?  If

someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm
sure we

can make it happen 


Cheers,
Ruppert

On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:


David:
are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?

Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
I have them just don't make them public.


David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:

A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.

-David


On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:


How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (


http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams


)

None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache
OFBiz
Advanced Framework Training


Package",


and the "Complete Remote Training


Package"


links.

What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?

If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of
Rapidshare,
4shared, Megaupload, etc.?

Thanks,
Goran








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Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

2010-02-25 Thread Tim Ruppert

Feel free to drop A, 1 and 2 - they are attached to the page.  Hopefully the 
ASF will respond to the infra requests sometime soon and we'll get those posted 

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Feb 25, 2010, at 5:05 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:

> here are the videos.
> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/ofbiz_framework_introduction_vid.shtml
> 
> 
> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:33 PM:
>>> From what the infra team said we can push them on IRC #asfinfra or
>>> Twitter #infrabot, but I must admit that I have not enough time 
>> at the moment to commit myself on this task :/
>> I will try this weekend though... Also BJ made a proposition (not the
>> svn one I mean)...
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
>> From: "Tim Ruppert" 
>> I won't contribute to going back to what we were providing and was asked
>> to move onto ASF infra.  I'm happy to post them up to the ASF server
>> somewhere - but getting someone to do something as simple as adding a
>> domain name has been next to impossible 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Michael Sudermann wrote:
>> 
 
>>> 
>>> Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but
>>> if it
>>> takes some time it would be better to make the videos available
>>> elsewhere than
>>> having it available nowhere.
>>> 
>>> I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz.
>>> But if I
>>> could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring
>>> holidays ;-)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:
>>> 
 
 There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra -
 that's
>>> why we made the move right?  If
 someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm
 sure we
>>> can make it happen 
 
 Cheers,
 Ruppert
 
 On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
 
> David:
> are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
> work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?
> 
> Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
> till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
> I have them just don't make them public.
> 
> 
> David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:
>> A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.
>> 
>> -David
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:
>> 
>>> How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (
>>> 
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams
>>> 
>>> )
>>> 
>>> None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache
>>> OFBiz
>>> Advanced Framework Training
>>> 
>>> Package",
>>> 
>>> and the "Complete Remote Training
>>> 
>>> Package"
>>> 
>>> links.
>>> 
>>> What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?
>>> 
>>> If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of
>>> Rapidshare,
>>> 4shared, Megaupload, etc.?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Goran
>> 
>> 
> 
 
 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 



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Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

here are the videos.
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/ofbiz_framework_introduction_vid.shtml


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:33 PM:
>> From what the infra team said we can push them on IRC #asfinfra or
>> Twitter #infrabot, but I must admit that I have not enough time 
> at the moment to commit myself on this task :/
> I will try this weekend though... Also BJ made a proposition (not the
> svn one I mean)...
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "Tim Ruppert" 
> I won't contribute to going back to what we were providing and was asked
> to move onto ASF infra.  I'm happy to post them up to the ASF server
> somewhere - but getting someone to do something as simple as adding a
> domain name has been next to impossible 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
> 
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Michael Sudermann wrote:
> 
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but
>> if it
>> takes some time it would be better to make the videos available
>> elsewhere than
>> having it available nowhere.
>>
>> I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz.
>> But if I
>> could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring
>> holidays ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>>
>> Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra -
>>> that's
>> why we made the move right?  If
>>> someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm
>>> sure we
>> can make it happen 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
 David:
 are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
 work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?

 Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
 till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
 I have them just don't make them public.


 David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:
> A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:
>
>> How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (
>>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams
>>
>> )
>>
>> None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache
>> OFBiz
>> Advanced Framework Training
>>
>> Package",
>>
>> and the "Complete Remote Training
>>
>> Package"
>>
>> links.
>>
>> What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?
>>
>> If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of
>> Rapidshare,
>> 4shared, Megaupload, etc.?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Goran
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 2437 bytes
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

From what the infra team said we can push them on IRC #asfinfra or Twitter #infrabot, but I must admit that I have not enough time 

at the moment to commit myself on this task :/
I will try this weekend though... Also BJ made a proposition (not the svn one I 
mean)...

Jacques

From: "Tim Ruppert" 
I won't contribute to going back to what we were providing and was asked to move onto ASF infra.  I'm happy to post them up to the 
ASF server somewhere - but getting someone to do something as simple as adding a domain name has been next to impossible 


Cheers,
Ruppert

On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Michael Sudermann wrote:





Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but if it
takes some time it would be better to make the videos available elsewhere than
having it available nowhere.

I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz. But if I
could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring holidays ;-)

Cheers,
Michael

Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:



There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra - that's

why we made the move right?  If

someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm sure we

can make it happen 


Cheers,
Ruppert

On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:


David:
are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?

Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
I have them just don't make them public.


David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:

A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.

-David


On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:


How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (


http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams

)

None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache OFBiz
Advanced Framework Training


Package",

and the "Complete Remote Training


Package"

links.

What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?

If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of Rapidshare,
4shared, Megaupload, etc.?

Thanks,
Goran








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Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

2010-02-25 Thread Tim Ruppert

I won't contribute to going back to what we were providing and was asked to 
move onto ASF infra.  I'm happy to post them up to the ASF server somewhere - 
but getting someone to do something as simple as adding a domain name has been 
next to impossible 

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Michael Sudermann wrote:

>> 
> 
> Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but if it
> takes some time it would be better to make the videos available elsewhere than
> having it available nowhere.
> 
> I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz. But if 
> I
> could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring holidays 
> ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael
> 
> Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra - that's
> why we made the move right?  If
>> someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm sure we
> can make it happen 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> 
>>> David:
>>> are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
>>> work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?
>>> 
>>> Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
>>> till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
>>> I have them just don't make them public.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:
 A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.
 
 -David
 
 
 On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:
 
> How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (
> 
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams
> )
> 
> None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache OFBiz
> Advanced Framework Training
> 
> Package",
> and the "Complete Remote Training
> 
> Package"
> links.
> 
> What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?
> 
> If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of Rapidshare,
> 4shared, Megaupload, etc.?
> 
> Thanks,
> Goran
 
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 2437 bytes
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

2010-02-25 Thread Bruno Busco

Some time ago i created the ofbiz channel on youtube and uploaded some of them.

2010/2/25, Michael Sudermann :
>>
>
> Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but if it
> takes some time it would be better to make the videos available elsewhere
> than
> having it available nowhere.
>
> I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz. But
> if I
> could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring holidays
> ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:
>
>>
>> There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra -
>> that's
> why we made the move right?  If
>> someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm sure
>> we
> can make it happen 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>> > David:
>> > are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
>> > work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?
>> >
>> > Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
>> > till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
>> > I have them just don't make them public.
>> >
>> >
>> > David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:
>> >> A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.
>> >>
>> >> -David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (
>> >>>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams
>> >>> )
>> >>>
>> >>> None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache OFBiz
>> >>> Advanced Framework Training
>> >>>
> Package",
>> >>> and the "Complete Remote Training
>> >>>
> Package"
>> >>> links.
>> >>>
>> >>> What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?
>> >>>
>> >>> If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of
>> >>> Rapidshare,
>> >>> 4shared, Megaupload, etc.?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Goran
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 2437 bytes
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

Why would it need to come from committers? What do committers have to do with 
sponsorship, or keeping you from helping with sponsorship?

BTW, this thread was really meant to cover the notion of commercial open source 
versus community-driven open source. IMO OFBiz is community-driven open source 
and is indeed driven by sponsors, both individuals and organizations. How else 
would it exist?

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Jacques:
> I don't think I'm in any position to tell this group anything about how to 
> get more sponsorship. That needs to come from the committers.
> Ruth
> 
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" 
>>> Hi Jacques:
>>> Just to make my position clear: I am not advocating a "commercial project".
>>> I think it is possible to get commercial sponsorship and still stay 
>>> community-driven.
>> 
>> Great Ruth,
>> 
>> have you an idea on how to begin on this? Looks like we have already some 
>> sponsors but of course not the size of some other TLP projects. I guess it's 
>> due to the nature of the software and not its quality or anything else.
>> Here in France I know some French Companies who are using OFBiz, but none 
>> want to speak about that. Some even sell (sold?) it as their projects, with 
>> some marketing and an IT team around, of course...
>> You know what? Look at the French translation, you will better understand my 
>> dissapointement some days... And I'm not speaking about the Neogia team, 
>> which hopefully will help us much more some day.
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
>>> Ruth
>>> 
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
 From: "David E Jones" 
> So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it 
> to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
> for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help 
> build this thing, and for some history about that and
> concepts related to it please see my blog:

 Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
 This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It will 
 take time to prove without the same means than commercial projects. Of 
 course this does not mean that nothing should change, but carefully.

 Jacques

>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


Hi Jacques:
I don't think I'm in any position to tell this group anything about how 
to get more sponsorship. That needs to come from the committers.

Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

From: "Ruth Hoffman" 

Hi Jacques:
Just to make my position clear: I am not advocating a "commercial 
project".
I think it is possible to get commercial sponsorship and still stay 
community-driven.


Great Ruth,

have you an idea on how to begin on this? Looks like we have already 
some sponsors but of course not the size of some other TLP projects. I 
guess it's due to the nature of the software and not its quality or 
anything else.
Here in France I know some French Companies who are using OFBiz, but 
none want to speak about that. Some even sell (sold?) it as their 
projects, with some marketing and an IT team around, of course...
You know what? Look at the French translation, you will better 
understand my dissapointement some days... And I'm not speaking about 
the Neogia team, which hopefully will help us much more some day.


Jacques


Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

From: "David E Jones" 
So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people 
want it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to 
help build this thing, and for some history about that and

concepts related to it please see my blog:


Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It 
will take time to prove without the same means than commercial 
projects. Of course this does not mean that nothing should change, 
but carefully.


Jacques

Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

2010-02-25 Thread Michael Sudermann

>

Hmmm, I understand that using the ASF infrastructure makes sense - but if it
takes some time it would be better to make the videos available elsewhere than
having it available nowhere.

I'll go to holiday tomorrow and wanted to learn something about ofbiz. But if I
could not find the information and videos I couldn't do it. Boring holidays ;-)

Cheers,
Michael

Tim Ruppert  hotwaxmedia.com> writes:

> 
> There is no reason to start hosting files outside of the ASF infra - that's
why we made the move right?  If
> someone will get me a list of files they want posted somewhere, I'm sure we
can make it happen 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
> 
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:02 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> 
> > David:
> > are you still doing the Training, since .undersunconsulting.com don't
> > work shouldn't they be updated on the Cwiki site?
> > 
> > Also I have server resources on businessesnetwork.com to house bigfiles
> > till you can find a new hosting place. if you and Tim are agreeable.
> > I have them just don't make them public.
> > 
> > 
> > David E Jones sent the following on 2/19/2010 10:25 PM:
> >> A quick mailing list search will answer your questions.
> >> 
> >> -David
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Goran Janevski wrote:
> >> 
> >>> How can I get any/all of the documents and videos on this web page? (
> >>>
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams
> >>> )
> >>> 
> >>> None of the links on there actually work, including the " Apache OFBiz
> >>> Advanced Framework Training
> >>>
Package",
> >>> and the "Complete Remote Training
> >>>
Package"
> >>> links.
> >>> 
> >>> What is the issue?  Disk space? Copyright? Not free?
> >>> 
> >>> If it's disk space, can't we just put these on one or more of Rapidshare,
> >>> 4shared, Megaupload, etc.?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Goran
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> 
> 
> Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 2437 bytes

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


From: "Ruth Hoffman" 

Hi Jacques:
Just to make my position clear: I am not advocating a "commercial project".
I think it is possible to get commercial sponsorship and still stay 
community-driven.


Great Ruth,

have you an idea on how to begin on this? Looks like we have already some sponsors but of course not the size of some other TLP 
projects. I guess it's due to the nature of the software and not its quality or anything else.
Here in France I know some French Companies who are using OFBiz, but none want to speak about that. Some even sell (sold?) it as 
their projects, with some marketing and an IT team around, of course...
You know what? Look at the French translation, you will better understand my dissapointement some days... And I'm not speaking about 
the Neogia team, which hopefully will help us much more some day.


Jacques


Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

From: "David E Jones" 

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it to be 
a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help build 
this thing, and for some history about that and
concepts related to it please see my blog:


Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It will take time to prove without the same means than commercial 
projects. Of course this does not mean that nothing should change, but carefully.


Jacques

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


OOps. How could I miss that?
Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Google => site:directwebremoting.org sponsor

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 
Ruth I am someone you have to hit over the head to get me to see 
something

so if you could just link to what your refereeing to I might see it.
I scan the home page and did not see anything.

Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 2/25/2010 11:15 AM:



David E Jones wrote:

Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any
sponsor links. Am I missing something?
  

No. Look closer.

Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software
Foundation (is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different
guidelines and restrictions.

Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it
is probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by
various companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere,
SugarCRM and such where the code is owned and distributed through a
single company.
  

Your point is?

So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?

Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The
difference in magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain,
test, release, document, etc is staggering.
  

Really? How so? Each project has the same challenges: build, maintain,
test, release, document.
So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm 
confused...
  

Look again. Consider taking a more casual, relaxed attitude while
browsing the site might help you to see what I see.
Ruth

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 

Hi David:

Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source,
Apache 2.0 with sponsor links very subtle.
(http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)

Just my opinion.
Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
  

How?

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 


David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have
community driven software with the Apache license and enjoy
sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens all the time.

Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
 

Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz,
and after technology investing recovered from the lull in
2000-2001, I was approached by a number of investors who wanted to
turn OFBiz into a commercial open source project instead of a
community-driven one (which would require a change in licensing to
the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing
and/or license value added services instead of pushing for an open
playing field). However, my intent from the beginning was to have
OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and
we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our
time." That's pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really
the case then people who abandon other ERP software to work on
OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize...
and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those experienced
with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts
whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of
pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it
harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no
documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read
it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and
committers page and see how much overlap there is between them.
Here's the spoiler: there isn't much overlap at all. The vast
majority of service providers never contribute back to the
project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to
estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets
back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In
other words, most of the customization work is done by people who
don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or
any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just
because I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create,
then you're in for some big disappointment! And how could it be
any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people
want it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to
help build this thing, and for some history about that and
concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be
of particular interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html 




So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... wa

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


Hi Jacques:
Just to make my position clear: I am not advocating a "commercial project".
I think it is possible to get commercial sponsorship and still stay 
community-driven.


Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

From: "David E Jones" 
So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want 
it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to 
help build this thing, and for some history about that and

concepts related to it please see my blog:


Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It will 
take time to prove without the same means than commercial projects. Of 
course this does not mean that nothing should change, but carefully.


Jacques

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


Maybe you meant this something like this?

http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/browser/tibco.html

BJ Freeman wrote:

Ruth I am someone you have to hit over the head to get me to see something
so if you could just link to what your refereeing to I might see it.
I scan the home page and did not see anything.

Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 2/25/2010 11:15 AM:
  

David E Jones wrote:


Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any
sponsor links. Am I missing something?
  
  

No. Look closer.


Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software
Foundation (is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different
guidelines and restrictions.

Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it
is probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by
various companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere,
SugarCRM and such where the code is owned and distributed through a
single company.
  
  

Your point is?


So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?

Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The
difference in magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain,
test, release, document, etc is staggering.
  
  

Really? How so? Each project has the same challenges: build, maintain,
test, release, document.


So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm confused...
  
  

Look again. Consider taking a more casual, relaxed attitude while
browsing the site might help you to see what I see.
Ruth


-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 
  

Hi David:

Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source,
Apache 2.0 with sponsor links very subtle.
(http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)

Just my opinion.
Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
   


How?

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 
 
  

David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have
community driven software with the Apache license and enjoy
sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens all the time.

Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
  


Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz,
and after technology investing recovered from the lull in
2000-2001, I was approached by a number of investors who wanted to
turn OFBiz into a commercial open source project instead of a
community-driven one (which would require a change in licensing to
the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing
and/or license value added services instead of pushing for an open
playing field). However, my intent from the beginning was to have
OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and
we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our
time." That's pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really
the case then people who abandon other ERP software to work on
OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize...
and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those experienced
with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts
whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of
pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it
harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no
documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read
it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and
committers page and see how much overlap there is between them.
Here's the spoiler: there isn't much overlap at all. The vast
majority of service providers never contribute back to the
project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to
estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets
back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In
other words, most of the customization work is done by people who
don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or
any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just
because I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create,
then you're in for some big disappointment! And how could it be
any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people
want it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to
help build this thing, and for some history about that and
concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be
of particular interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-communit

Alternate JobSandbox

2010-02-25 Thread Al Byers

I would like to create an alternate JobSandbox that ends up using a
lower max thread-count. I have looked around and hope that I am
missing the easy way to do it.

I see that I could add another thread-pool to serviceengine.xml
(anyway to do that without having to modify ofbiz code?), but how do I
get a JobSandbox to use that pool?
Or how do I create another dispatcher (again, hopefully without having
to modify ofbiz code - just my custom webapp)?

The reason I want to do this is to meter the rate at which this
process happens. Are there better ways to do this?

Thanks for any help.

-Al

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


Google => site:directwebremoting.org sponsor

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 

Ruth I am someone you have to hit over the head to get me to see something
so if you could just link to what your refereeing to I might see it.
I scan the home page and did not see anything.

Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 2/25/2010 11:15 AM:



David E Jones wrote:

Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any
sponsor links. Am I missing something?
  

No. Look closer.

Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software
Foundation (is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different
guidelines and restrictions.

Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it
is probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by
various companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere,
SugarCRM and such where the code is owned and distributed through a
single company.
  

Your point is?

So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?

Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The
difference in magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain,
test, release, document, etc is staggering.
  

Really? How so? Each project has the same challenges: build, maintain,
test, release, document.

So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm confused...
  

Look again. Consider taking a more casual, relaxed attitude while
browsing the site might help you to see what I see.
Ruth

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 

Hi David:

Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source,
Apache 2.0 with sponsor links very subtle.
(http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)

Just my opinion.
Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
   

How?

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 
 

David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have
community driven software with the Apache license and enjoy
sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens all the time.

Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
  

Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz,
and after technology investing recovered from the lull in
2000-2001, I was approached by a number of investors who wanted to
turn OFBiz into a commercial open source project instead of a
community-driven one (which would require a change in licensing to
the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing
and/or license value added services instead of pushing for an open
playing field). However, my intent from the beginning was to have
OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and
we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our
time." That's pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really
the case then people who abandon other ERP software to work on
OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize...
and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those experienced
with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts
whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of
pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it
harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no
documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read
it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and
committers page and see how much overlap there is between them.
Here's the spoiler: there isn't much overlap at all. The vast
majority of service providers never contribute back to the
project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to
estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets
back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In
other words, most of the customization work is done by people who
don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or
any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just
because I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create,
then you're in for some big disappointment! And how could it be
any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people
want it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to
help build this thing, and for some history about that and
concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be
of particular interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html


So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of
this a mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


Hi BJ:

Of couse.Sorry.

http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html

At various times, this project has had support from Sabre (the airlines 
consortium), Tibco and maybe some others. They do a really good job of 
keeping all that out of sight.


Ruth

BJ Freeman wrote:

Ruth I am someone you have to hit over the head to get me to see something
so if you could just link to what your refereeing to I might see it.
I scan the home page and did not see anything.

Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 2/25/2010 11:15 AM:
  

David E Jones wrote:


Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any
sponsor links. Am I missing something?
  
  

No. Look closer.


Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software
Foundation (is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different
guidelines and restrictions.

Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it
is probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by
various companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere,
SugarCRM and such where the code is owned and distributed through a
single company.
  
  

Your point is?


So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?

Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The
difference in magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain,
test, release, document, etc is staggering.
  
  

Really? How so? Each project has the same challenges: build, maintain,
test, release, document.


So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm confused...
  
  

Look again. Consider taking a more casual, relaxed attitude while
browsing the site might help you to see what I see.
Ruth


-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 
  

Hi David:

Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source,
Apache 2.0 with sponsor links very subtle.
(http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)

Just my opinion.
Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
   


How?

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

 
 
  

David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have
community driven software with the Apache license and enjoy
sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens all the time.

Ruth

David E Jones wrote:
  


Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz,
and after technology investing recovered from the lull in
2000-2001, I was approached by a number of investors who wanted to
turn OFBiz into a commercial open source project instead of a
community-driven one (which would require a change in licensing to
the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing
and/or license value added services instead of pushing for an open
playing field). However, my intent from the beginning was to have
OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and
we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our
time." That's pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really
the case then people who abandon other ERP software to work on
OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize...
and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those experienced
with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts
whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of
pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it
harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no
documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read
it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and
committers page and see how much overlap there is between them.
Here's the spoiler: there isn't much overlap at all. The vast
majority of service providers never contribute back to the
project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to
estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets
back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In
other words, most of the customization work is done by people who
don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or
any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just
because I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create,
then you're in for some big disappointment! And how could it be
any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people
want it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to
help build this thing, and for some history about that and
concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake? (was: Re: OpenERP fund raising)


From: "David E Jones" 

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it to be 
a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
for community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help build 
this thing, and for some history about that and
concepts related to it please see my blog:


Who really want OFBiz  to be a commercial project? Not me for sure!
This is a visionnary project, not only at the technical level. It will take time to prove without the same means than commercial 
projects. Of course this does not mean that nothing should change, but carefully.


Jacques

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

Ruth I am someone you have to hit over the head to get me to see something
so if you could just link to what your refereeing to I might see it.
I scan the home page and did not see anything.

Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 2/25/2010 11:15 AM:
> 
> 
> David E Jones wrote:
>> Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any
>> sponsor links. Am I missing something?
>>   
> No. Look closer.
>> Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software
>> Foundation (is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different
>> guidelines and restrictions.
>>
>> Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it
>> is probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by
>> various companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere,
>> SugarCRM and such where the code is owned and distributed through a
>> single company.
>>   
> Your point is?
>> So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?
>>
>> Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The
>> difference in magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain,
>> test, release, document, etc is staggering.
>>   
> Really? How so? Each project has the same challenges: build, maintain,
> test, release, document.
>> So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm confused...
>>   
> Look again. Consider taking a more casual, relaxed attitude while
> browsing the site might help you to see what I see.
> Ruth
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi David:
>>>
>>> Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source,
>>> Apache 2.0 with sponsor links very subtle.
>>> (http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
 How?

 -David


 On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

  
  
> David:
> It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have
> community driven software with the Apache license and enjoy
> sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens all the time.
>
> Ruth
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>   
>> Matt,
>>
>> You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz,
>> and after technology investing recovered from the lull in
>> 2000-2001, I was approached by a number of investors who wanted to
>> turn OFBiz into a commercial open source project instead of a
>> community-driven one (which would require a change in licensing to
>> the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an
>> incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing
>> and/or license value added services instead of pushing for an open
>> playing field). However, my intent from the beginning was to have
>> OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.
>>
>> Perhaps that was a mistake?
>>
>> About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and
>> we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our
>> time." That's pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really
>> the case then people who abandon other ERP software to work on
>> OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize...
>> and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those experienced
>> with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts
>> whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of
>> pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it
>> harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no
>> documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read
>> it).
>>
>> Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and
>> committers page and see how much overlap there is between them.
>> Here's the spoiler: there isn't much overlap at all. The vast
>> majority of service providers never contribute back to the
>> project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in
>> profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to
>> estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets
>> back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In
>> other words, most of the customization work is done by people who
>> don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or
>> any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the
>> most part.
>>
>> On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just
>> because I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create,
>> then you're in for some big disappointment! And how could it be
>> any other way?
>>
>> So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people
>> want it to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years
>> for communi

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

David E Jones wrote:

Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any sponsor
links. Am I missing something?

No. Look closer.

Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software Foundation
(is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different guidelines and restrictions.

Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it is
probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by various
companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere, SugarCRM and such
where the code is owned and distributed through a single company.

Your point is?

So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?

Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The difference in
magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain, test, release,
document, etc is staggering.

Really? How so? Each project has the same challenges: build, maintain,
test, release, document.

So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm confused...

Look again. Consider taking a more casual, relaxed attitude while
browsing the site might help you to see what I see.

Ruth

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

Hi David:

Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source, Apache 2.0
with sponsor links very subtle. (http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)

Just my opinion.
Ruth

David E Jones wrote:

How?

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have community
driven software with the Apache license and enjoy sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens
all the time.

Ruth

David E Jones wrote:

Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz, and after
technology investing recovered from the lull in 2000-2001, I was approached by
a number of investors who wanted to turn OFBiz into a commercial open source
project instead of a community-driven one (which would require a change in
licensing to the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing and/or license
value added services instead of pushing for an open playing field). However, my
intent from the beginning was to have OFBiz be a community-driven project so I
stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and we'll get you a
custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our time." That's pretty insulting
and low-brow. If that were really the case then people who abandon other ERP software to
work on OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize... and yes, that is
the main reason I hear from those experienced with other ERP software. Also, there would
be no attempts whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of pages of
it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it harder to find the info they
want, leading to complaints of no documentation when the fact is they just haven't
bothered to read it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and committers page
and see how much overlap there is between them. Here's the spoiler: there isn't
much overlap at all. The vast majority of service providers never contribute
back to the project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to estimate I'd say
it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets back to the smaller group that
contributes 90% of the code. In other words, most of the customization work is
done by people who don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for
training or any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just because I'm
willing to share the intellectual property I create, then you're in for some
big disappointment! And how could it be any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it to be
a commercial project. I've been pushing for years for community-driven software
and trying to attract developers to help build this thing, and for some history
about that and concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of particular
interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html

So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of this a
mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is that the message I'm hearing more
and more? Should I have gone the commercial route with the possibly higher pay
out, and probably much cleaner and fancier looking resulting software, and
significantly more marketing exposure, and at least being able to get the time
of da

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


How?

-David


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> David:
> It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have community 
> driven software with the Apache license and enjoy sponsorship from commercial 
> entities. It happens all the time.
> 
> Ruth
> 
> David E Jones wrote:
>> Matt,
>> 
>> You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz, and after 
>> technology investing recovered from the lull in 2000-2001, I was approached 
>> by a number of investors who wanted to turn OFBiz into a commercial open 
>> source project instead of a community-driven one (which would require a 
>> change in licensing to the GPL or something similar so that end-users would 
>> have an incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing 
>> and/or license value added services instead of pushing for an open playing 
>> field). However, my intent from the beginning was to have OFBiz be a 
>> community-driven project so I stuck with that.
>> 
>> Perhaps that was a mistake?
>> 
>> About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and we'll get 
>> you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our time." That's 
>> pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really the case then people who 
>> abandon other ERP software to work on OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it 
>> is easier to customize... and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those 
>> experienced with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts 
>> whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of pages of it 
>> (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it harder to find the 
>> info they want, leading to complaints of no documentation when the fact is 
>> they just haven't bothered to read it).
>> 
>> Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and committers 
>> page and see how much overlap there is between them. Here's the spoiler: 
>> there isn't much overlap at all. The vast majority of service providers 
>> never contribute back to the project. The vast majority of the business 
>> around OFBiz results in profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I 
>> were to estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets back 
>> to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In other words, most 
>> of the customization work is done by people who don't contribute to the 
>> project, and who don't pay for training or any other sort of service. They 
>> figure it out on their own for the most part.
>> 
>> On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just because 
>> I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create, then you're in for 
>> some big disappointment! And how could it be any other way?
>> 
>> So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it to 
>> be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years for community-driven 
>> software and trying to attract developers to help build this thing, and for 
>> some history about that and concepts related to it please see my blog:
>> 
>> http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/
>> 
>> There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of 
>> particular interest:
>> 
>> http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html
>> 
>> So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of this a 
>> mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is that the message I'm hearing 
>> more and more? Should I have gone the commercial route with the possibly 
>> higher pay out, and probably much cleaner and fancier looking resulting 
>> software, and significantly more marketing exposure, and at least being able 
>> to get the time of day from technology press folks?
>> 
>> -David
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> I have to agree with Ruth on this one.  The question is, what is the
>>> OFBiz "community", is it users or developers?  The question has lots of
>>> implications, and deserves careful thought.
>>> 
>>> If venture capitalists (a community I know something about) are willing
>>> to invest $3MM euro to increase OpenERP market share, then 1) they see a
>>> product that can increase its revenues (and profits) by at least 10-100X
>>> in the next 3-5 years, and 2) they see a path to liquidity (public
>>> offering or sale), whereby they expect to recoup their investment.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Jacques that OpenERP is an inferior solution.  Yet he loses
>>> contracts to OpenERP.  Why?  Partly because OpenERP looks more polished
>>> and finished, and appearances are in fact important.  However, the
>>> bigger issue is that OpenERP is more user-friendly (meaning more
>>> inviting to users, who are not developers).
>>> 
>>> The general perception in the OFBiz community seems to be that if you
>>> want an ERP solution, you will need to customize it.  For that, you need
>>> a developer, and we are those developers.  So if you want an OFBiz
>>> solution, pay us

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

Donations can only be received by the ASF, not by the OFBiz project 
specifically.

Jacopo

On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi David:
> 
> Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source, Apache 2.0 
> with sponsor links very subtle. (http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)
> 
> Just my opinion.
> Ruth
> 
> David E Jones wrote:
>> How?
>> 
>> -David
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> David:
>>> It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have community 
>>> driven software with the Apache license and enjoy sponsorship from 
>>> commercial entities. It happens all the time.
>>> 
>>> Ruth
>>> 
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
 Matt,

 You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz, and after 
 technology investing recovered from the lull in 2000-2001, I was 
 approached by a number of investors who wanted to turn OFBiz into a 
 commercial open source project instead of a community-driven one (which 
 would require a change in licensing to the GPL or something similar so 
 that end-users would have an incentive to purchase licenses; would also 
 require centralizing and/or license value added services instead of 
 pushing for an open playing field). However, my intent from the beginning 
 was to have OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.

 Perhaps that was a mistake?

 About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and we'll 
 get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our time." That's 
 pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really the case then people 
 who abandon other ERP software to work on OFBiz wouldn't be doing so 
 because it is easier to customize... and yes, that is the main reason I 
 hear from those experienced with other ERP software. Also, there would be 
 no attempts whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands 
 of pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it 
 harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no 
 documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read it).

 Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and committers 
 page and see how much overlap there is between them. Here's the spoiler: 
 there isn't much overlap at all. The vast majority of service providers 
 never contribute back to the project. The vast majority of the business 
 around OFBiz results in profit that contributors never see a penny of. If 
 I were to estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets 
 back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In other 
 words, most of the customization work is done by people who don't 
 contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or any other 
 sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the most part.

 On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just because 
 I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create, then you're in 
 for some big disappointment! And how could it be any other way?

 So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it 
 to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years for 
 community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help build 
 this thing, and for some history about that and concepts related to it 
 please see my blog:

 http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

 There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of 
 particular interest:

 http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html

 So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of this a 
 mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is that the message I'm hearing 
 more and more? Should I have gone the commercial route with the possibly 
 higher pay out, and probably much cleaner and fancier looking resulting 
 software, and significantly more marketing exposure, and at least being 
 able to get the time of day from technology press folks?

 -David

 On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

> I have to agree with Ruth on this one.  The question is, what is the
> OFBiz "community", is it users or developers?  The question has lots of
> implications, and deserves careful thought.
> 
> If venture capitalists (a community I know something about) are willing
> to invest $3MM euro to increase OpenERP market share, then 1) they see a
> product that can increase its revenues (and profits) by at least 10-100X
> in the next 3-5 years, and 2) they see a path to liquidity (public
> offering or sale), whereby they expect to recoup their investment.
> 
> I

Ok users your chance to get in on gettting ofbiz fully tested

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3511
has links how to install and use the selebnium Ide into your browser.
and you can put you scripts into the jira.
make sure to give apache rights to them

This is especially good if you get errors since these can be put in tests.

Those users that want to take these scripts and put them in ofbiz as tests.

search ofbiz selenium for what has been done so far.

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

Hi David:

Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source, Apache
2.0 with sponsor links very subtle.
(http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)

Just my opinion.
Ruth

David E Jones wrote:

How?

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have community
driven software with the Apache license and enjoy sponsorship from commercial entities. It happens
all the time.

Ruth

David E Jones wrote:

Matt,

Perhaps that was a mistake?

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of particular
interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html

-David

On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

I have to agree with Ruth on this one. The question is, what is the
OFBiz "community", is it users or developers? The question has lots of
implications, and deserves careful thought.

If venture capitalists (a community I know something about) are willing
to invest $3MM euro to increase OpenERP market share, then 1) they see a
product that can increase its revenues (and profits) by at least 10-100X
in the next 3-5 years, and 2) they see a path to liquidity (public
offering or sale), whereby they expect to recoup their investment.

I agree with Jacques that OpenERP is an inferior solution. Yet he loses
contracts to OpenERP. Why? Partly because OpenERP looks more polished
and finished, and appearances are in fact important. However, the
bigger issue is that OpenERP is more user-friendly (meaning more
inviting to users, who are not developers).

The general perception in the OFBiz community seems to be that if you
want an ERP solution, you will need to customize it. For that, you need
a developer, and we are those developers. So if you want an OFBiz
solution, pay us and we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise,
don't

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?

Yes, the subtlety is very impressive. So much so that I can't find any sponsor 
links. Am I missing something?

Also, like Jacopo mentioned, DWR is not part of the Apache Software Foundation 
(is part of the Dojo Foundation), and has different guidelines and restrictions.

Anyway, how is it that they have commercial sponsorship? If they do it is 
probably the same way that OFBiz has commercial sponsorship (ie by various 
companies contributing), and not like OpenERP, Compiere, SugarCRM and such 
where the code is owned and distributed through a single company.

So how is this an example of what OFBiz should do?

Also, why compare OFBiz to DWR? How are the projects similar? The difference in 
magnitude, and there for the effort to build, maintain, test, release, 
document, etc is staggering.

So, what was your point? The more I look at it the more I'm confused...

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi David:
> 
> Glad you asked. I kind-of like how DWR has done it. Open source, Apache 2.0 
> with sponsor links very subtle. (http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html)
> 
> Just my opinion.
> Ruth
> 
> David E Jones wrote:
>> How?
>> 
>> -David
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> David:
>>> It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have community 
>>> driven software with the Apache license and enjoy sponsorship from 
>>> commercial entities. It happens all the time.
>>> 
>>> Ruth
>>> 
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
 Matt,

 You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz, and after 
 technology investing recovered from the lull in 2000-2001, I was 
 approached by a number of investors who wanted to turn OFBiz into a 
 commercial open source project instead of a community-driven one (which 
 would require a change in licensing to the GPL or something similar so 
 that end-users would have an incentive to purchase licenses; would also 
 require centralizing and/or license value added services instead of 
 pushing for an open playing field). However, my intent from the beginning 
 was to have OFBiz be a community-driven project so I stuck with that.

 Perhaps that was a mistake?

 About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and we'll 
 get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our time." That's 
 pretty insulting and low-brow. If that were really the case then people 
 who abandon other ERP software to work on OFBiz wouldn't be doing so 
 because it is easier to customize... and yes, that is the main reason I 
 hear from those experienced with other ERP software. Also, there would be 
 no attempts whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands 
 of pages of it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it 
 harder to find the info they want, leading to complaints of no 
 documentation when the fact is they just haven't bothered to read it).

 Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and committers 
 page and see how much overlap there is between them. Here's the spoiler: 
 there isn't much overlap at all. The vast majority of service providers 
 never contribute back to the project. The vast majority of the business 
 around OFBiz results in profit that contributors never see a penny of. If 
 I were to estimate I'd say it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets 
 back to the smaller group that contributes 90% of the code. In other 
 words, most of the customization work is done by people who don't 
 contribute to the project, and who don't pay for training or any other 
 sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the most part.

 On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just because 
 I'm willing to share the intellectual property I create, then you're in 
 for some big disappointment! And how could it be any other way?

 So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it 
 to be a commercial project. I've been pushing for years for 
 community-driven software and trying to attract developers to help build 
 this thing, and for some history about that and concepts related to it 
 please see my blog:

 http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

 There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of 
 particular interest:

 http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html

 So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of this a 
 mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is that the message I'm hearing 
 more and more? Should I have gone the commercial route with the possibly 
 higher pay out, and probably much cleaner and fancier looking resulting 
 software, and significantly more marketing exposu

Re: Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake?


David:
It doesn't have to be so "black" and "white". You can still have 
community driven software with the Apache license and enjoy sponsorship 
from commercial entities. It happens all the time.


Ruth

David E Jones wrote:

Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz, and after 
technology investing recovered from the lull in 2000-2001, I was approached by 
a number of investors who wanted to turn OFBiz into a commercial open source 
project instead of a community-driven one (which would require a change in 
licensing to the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an 
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing and/or license 
value added services instead of pushing for an open playing field). However, my 
intent from the beginning was to have OFBiz be a community-driven project so I 
stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and we'll get you a 
custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our time." That's pretty insulting 
and low-brow. If that were really the case then people who abandon other ERP software to 
work on OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier to customize... and yes, that is 
the main reason I hear from those experienced with other ERP software. Also, there would 
be no attempts whatsoever at documentation, and instead there are thousands of pages of 
it (in fact, probably too much for most people, making it harder to find the info they 
want, leading to complaints of no documentation when the fact is they just haven't 
bothered to read it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and committers page 
and see how much overlap there is between them. Here's the spoiler: there isn't 
much overlap at all. The vast majority of service providers never contribute 
back to the project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in 
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to estimate I'd say 
it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets back to the smaller group that 
contributes 90% of the code. In other words, most of the customization work is 
done by people who don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for 
training or any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the 
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just because I'm 
willing to share the intellectual property I create, then you're in for some 
big disappointment! And how could it be any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it to be 
a commercial project. I've been pushing for years for community-driven software 
and trying to attract developers to help build this thing, and for some history 
about that and concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of particular 
interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html

So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of this a 
mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is that the message I'm hearing more 
and more? Should I have gone the commercial route with the possibly higher pay 
out, and probably much cleaner and fancier looking resulting software, and 
significantly more marketing exposure, and at least being able to get the time 
of day from technology press folks?

-David


On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

  

I have to agree with Ruth on this one.  The question is, what is the
OFBiz "community", is it users or developers?  The question has lots of
implications, and deserves careful thought.

If venture capitalists (a community I know something about) are willing
to invest $3MM euro to increase OpenERP market share, then 1) they see a
product that can increase its revenues (and profits) by at least 10-100X
in the next 3-5 years, and 2) they see a path to liquidity (public
offering or sale), whereby they expect to recoup their investment.

I agree with Jacques that OpenERP is an inferior solution.  Yet he loses
contracts to OpenERP.  Why?  Partly because OpenERP looks more polished
and finished, and appearances are in fact important.  However, the
bigger issue is that OpenERP is more user-friendly (meaning more
inviting to users, who are not developers).

The general perception in the OFBiz community seems to be that if you
want an ERP solution, you will need to customize it.  For that, you need
a developer, and we are those developers.  So if you want an OFBiz
solution, pay us and we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise,
don't waste our time.  


Sorry, but that attitude is ass-backwards.  You have the cart driving
the horse.  Even record and movie companies (the most ass-backward
marketing people on the planet) know that they don't get people to buy
records without radio play, or movie tickets without trailers.  E

Was Community-Driven OFBiz a Mistake? (was: Re: OpenERP fund raising)

Matt,

You might be interested to hear that early in the life of OFBiz, and after 
technology investing recovered from the lull in 2000-2001, I was approached by 
a number of investors who wanted to turn OFBiz into a commercial open source 
project instead of a community-driven one (which would require a change in 
licensing to the GPL or something similar so that end-users would have an 
incentive to purchase licenses; would also require centralizing and/or license 
value added services instead of pushing for an open playing field). However, my 
intent from the beginning was to have OFBiz be a community-driven project so I 
stuck with that.

Perhaps that was a mistake?

About this comment: "So if you want an OFBiz solution, pay us and we'll get you 
a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise, don't waste our time." That's pretty 
insulting and low-brow. If that were really the case then people who abandon 
other ERP software to work on OFBiz wouldn't be doing so because it is easier 
to customize... and yes, that is the main reason I hear from those experienced 
with other ERP software. Also, there would be no attempts whatsoever at 
documentation, and instead there are thousands of pages of it (in fact, 
probably too much for most people, making it harder to find the info they want, 
leading to complaints of no documentation when the fact is they just haven't 
bothered to read it).

Take a look at the OFBiz service providers page and the PMC and committers page 
and see how much overlap there is between them. Here's the spoiler: there isn't 
much overlap at all. The vast majority of service providers never contribute 
back to the project. The vast majority of the business around OFBiz results in 
profit that contributors never see a penny of. If I were to estimate I'd say 
it's probably only 1-2% of the money that gets back to the smaller group that 
contributes 90% of the code. In other words, most of the customization work is 
done by people who don't contribute to the project, and who don't pay for 
training or any other sort of service. They figure it out on their own for the 
most part.

On the other hand, if you think you can get my time for free just because I'm 
willing to share the intellectual property I create, then you're in for some 
big disappointment! And how could it be any other way?

So here we go... we've got a community-driven project and people want it to be 
a commercial project. I've been pushing for years for community-driven software 
and trying to attract developers to help build this thing, and for some history 
about that and concepts related to it please see my blog:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/

There are a number of posts on this topic, and this one might be of particular 
interest:

http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2008/01/glass-cathedrals-and-community-versus.html

So, this gets me back to the question I asked above... was all of this a 
mistake? Was I wrong about this approach? Is that the message I'm hearing more 
and more? Should I have gone the commercial route with the possibly higher pay 
out, and probably much cleaner and fancier looking resulting software, and 
significantly more marketing exposure, and at least being able to get the time 
of day from technology press folks?

-David

On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

> I have to agree with Ruth on this one.  The question is, what is the
> OFBiz "community", is it users or developers?  The question has lots of
> implications, and deserves careful thought.
> 
> If venture capitalists (a community I know something about) are willing
> to invest $3MM euro to increase OpenERP market share, then 1) they see a
> product that can increase its revenues (and profits) by at least 10-100X
> in the next 3-5 years, and 2) they see a path to liquidity (public
> offering or sale), whereby they expect to recoup their investment.
> 
> I agree with Jacques that OpenERP is an inferior solution.  Yet he loses
> contracts to OpenERP.  Why?  Partly because OpenERP looks more polished
> and finished, and appearances are in fact important.  However, the
> bigger issue is that OpenERP is more user-friendly (meaning more
> inviting to users, who are not developers).
> 
> The general perception in the OFBiz community seems to be that if you
> want an ERP solution, you will need to customize it.  For that, you need
> a developer, and we are those developers.  So if you want an OFBiz
> solution, pay us and we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise,
> don't waste our time.  
> 
> Sorry, but that attitude is ass-backwards.  You have the cart driving
> the horse.  Even record and movie companies (the most ass-backward
> marketing people on the planet) know that they don't get people to buy
> records without radio play, or movie tickets without trailers.  Even
> low-life drug dealers grasp the simple marketing concept of the "loss
> leader"-- you can get more people using your product by giving it away
> for free, initially.  In my

OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

(moving to the dev list)

Hmmm

I am trying to find out more details using jmap and now I am no more thinking 
that birt is the issue.
Adam, is it possible that the Webslinger component is causing this?
Running jmap -permstat I get the following stats:

total = 292321073   197839272   N/A alive=11, dead=2912 
N/A

and the 2912 dead are mostly similar to:

0x00010be57918  4   50032   0x0001091e2f20  dead
org/webslinger/invoker/asmutil$generatedclassloa...@0x0001283f7208

It would be of great help if you could help with this.

Thanks,

Jacopo


On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> 
>> sure..i just restarted itany suggestions to fix it?
>> 
> 
> We may try to disable the birt component and see if the error goes away.
> Is it possible that we have duplicated jars that are conflicting?
> 
> Jacopo
> 
>> this problems happens at least once per day.
>> 
>> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 16:35 +0530, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
> we have an instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I 
> have noticed that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
>>> 
>>> I am also observing the same behavior since last few days(month) on my
>>> development machine.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ashish
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
>>>  wrote:
 I too suspect that the Birt integration is responsible for this; we have 
 an instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I have 
 noticed that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
 
 Jacopo
 
 On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:
 
> You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error.
> Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
> problem was definitelly BIRT,
> so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK.
> 
> -- Deyan
> 
>> -- 
>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>> 
>

Catalog product managed by meter (also price) VS stock by each and serializable

2010-02-25 Thread El Ansari Abdesamad

Hello, 

I'm new to ofbiz and I have the following need. So I'd like to know if it's 
possible in the current implementation. 
FYI I'm using the trunk version. 

I have a product catalog that must be ordered by meter and the given price is 
by meter. 
But once an order has been done, the resulting products (after production) are 
present in stock in a serializable way. Each product has a distinct number and 
has a standard length of 2,5 meters. 
So even if a customer asks for a quantity (in meters) that is not a multiple of 
2,5, we will deliver only products of 2,5 meters. The remains is not billed to 
the customer of course. 

Example : a customer asks for 11 meters of this product @ 5 $/meter -> the 
resulting order must be only 10 meters -> total = 50$. 
The delivery will consist of 4 stock items - serializable because we need to 
have a follow-up for each product and information can differ between final 
products. 
Hope it's clear. 

Can someone give me an idea on how it can be done ? 

Thanks a lot and regards, 
Abdesamad

Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:

> sure..i just restarted itany suggestions to fix it?
> 

We may try to disable the birt component and see if the error goes away.
Is it possible that we have duplicated jars that are conflicting?

Jacopo

> this problems happens at least once per day.
> 
> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 16:35 +0530, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
 we have an instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I 
 have noticed that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
>> 
>> I am also observing the same behavior since last few days(month) on my
>> development machine.
>> 
>> --
>> Ashish
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
>>  wrote:
>>> I too suspect that the Birt integration is responsible for this; we have an 
>>> instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I have noticed 
>>> that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
>>> 
>>> Jacopo
>>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:
>>> 
 You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error.
 Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
 problem was definitelly BIRT,
 so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK.
 
 -- Deyan
 
> -- 
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>

Re: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails, is this a right way for the future?

2010-02-25 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES


Le 25/02/2010 14:31, Christopher Snow a écrit :


Note that OpenTaps 1.5 (ofbiz derivative) uses hibernate for the
persistence layer instead of the home grown ofbiz ORM. It would be nice
to see an option like that in ofbiz!



Hi Chris,

Licenses are not compatible... we can't integrate Hibernate in OFBiz as 
it is under a LGPL product (https://www.hibernate.org/356.html), see 
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x


It's the same reason cobertura is not included, or selenium-server...

Cheers,


--
Erwan de FERRIERES
www.nereide.biz

Re: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails, is this a right way for the future?

2010-02-25 Thread Christopher Snow

Plugins could be used for separating the modules, this will be more 
interesting in Grails 2.0 when the plugin framework will use OSGi - 
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GRAILS-2221


Rather than bring ofbiz to grails, you may find it would be easier to 
bring grails to ofbiz, for example it should be relatively trivial to 
sit a grails app on top of ofbiz (i.e. as a war file), and use grails to 
access the current ofbiz services.


Note that you can already use groovy for writing ofbiz services.  
Eventually, when GSP gets separated from grails, this could be used in 
ofbiz instead of ftl - http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GRAILS-5657


Note that OpenTaps 1.5 (ofbiz derivative) uses hibernate for the 
persistence layer instead of the home grown ofbiz ORM.  It would be nice 
to see an option like that in ofbiz!




Miles Huang wrote:

May be the Grails plugin mechanism is a good solution for the modularity
problem. If we separate the OFBIZ components into stand-alone Grails
plugins, each component is just like separated Grails applications, which
can be maintained in their own source directory structure. And during
development period, the Grails framework can provide sophisticated
mechanisms to resolve the OFBIZ module dependency. At runtime, the dependent
components are just deployed alongside with the referencing components in
the same web application, remote service call is not required.

I'm not familiar with OSGi, so I can't say much about it. But if we need to
support dynamical deploy/undeploy componets and multi-version module, the
OSGi promise sounds attractive. Through a quick glance at the presentation
from spring source (  OSGi 4.2 the Blueprint Service RI provider ), my
understanding is the OSGi will take the responsibility to manage the web
application dynamic module, while the web app framework such as Grails will
take the responsibility to construct the dynamic module implementation
framework. Does this mean OSGI and Grails technology can be integrated
without overlaps and conflicts?

Re: OpenERP fund raising


Thanks Matt,

This is mostly true, but how to achieve that is another thing...
Also it seems that it's not specific to OFBiz among ASF projects, though of 
course OFBiz is atypical as an Apache TLP project.
As Anil outlined we need our Canonical (or Red Hat if you prefer ;). Though we 
could also wonder why this has not appeared so far. I
guess the ASF licence is one clue. Also is there an Apache TLP project which is 
doing better than us on this aspect? Is it not
rather because of the "ASF business model" (if we can think about a business model for a fundation..) that things stay as they are: 
IBM uses HTTPD and Geronimo, ServiceMix/ActiveMQ are backed by Progress
Software/FUSE, Jackrabbit has Magniolia and Day, etc. but I think there is never a sole company behing an Apache Project, by design: 
it would not be accepted. What are really these communities around our competitors?


BTW it's from a link Anil gave that I found how the ASF is viewed from a 
marketing expert at Canonical
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10159925-16.html?tag=mncol;txt
One thing he does not speak much about though is that there are dozens of 
projects at the ASF. So we can't expect the ASF to do the
marketing for us. There has been already a huge marketing effort for a year 
(yes, huge for the community). We are now facing new
competitors like Magento on the eCommerce side and openERP on the backend. 
Let's see how things will turn on the long term, exciting
isn'it?
BTW as Anil (and you implicitly) said, I'm also persuaded that OFBiz community 
has a sustainable model because
1) Nobody (but the ASF) owns OFBiz
2) We don't need to feed share holders
3) We have a very good data model
4) We sit on the J2EE paradigm
5) The community is active
...

Jacques

From: "Matt Warnock" 

I have to agree with Ruth on this one.  The question is, what is the
OFBiz "community", is it users or developers?  The question has lots of
implications, and deserves careful thought.

If venture capitalists (a community I know something about) are willing
to invest $3MM euro to increase OpenERP market share, then 1) they see a
product that can increase its revenues (and profits) by at least 10-100X
in the next 3-5 years, and 2) they see a path to liquidity (public
offering or sale), whereby they expect to recoup their investment.

I agree with Jacques that OpenERP is an inferior solution.  Yet he loses
contracts to OpenERP.  Why?  Partly because OpenERP looks more polished
and finished, and appearances are in fact important.  However, the
bigger issue is that OpenERP is more user-friendly (meaning more
inviting to users, who are not developers).

The general perception in the OFBiz community seems to be that if you
want an ERP solution, you will need to customize it.  For that, you need
a developer, and we are those developers.  So if you want an OFBiz
solution, pay us and we'll get you a custom OFBiz solution-- otherwise,
don't waste our time.

Sorry, but that attitude is ass-backwards.  You have the cart driving
the horse.  Even record and movie companies (the most ass-backward
marketing people on the planet) know that they don't get people to buy
records without radio play, or movie tickets without trailers.  Even
low-life drug dealers grasp the simple marketing concept of the "loss
leader"-- you can get more people using your product by giving it away
for free, initially.  In my business, we give away lots of free samples
because it it the best way to get people converted to our products.
People need to know up front what value they are going to get, and also
how much it is going to cost.

As an end-user with OpenERP, you get that information (I looked hard at
OpenERP a few months ago), but with OFBiz, you really don't.  You have
to look really hard (under the hood) to see the things that make OFBiz
better, and as developers, you probably all know what those advantages
are.  OFBiz's weaknesses, on the other hand, are right on the surface--
the very things that Ruth complains about.

Choosing any ERP solution is a hard, painful task, and the initial
difficulty of evaluating and customizing OFBiz makes it a harder choice
than most.  Inertia (personal and institutional) definitely works
against acceptance and adoption of OFBiz, initially.

If OFBiz had a polished, truly "OOTB" solution, then users could try it
and (hopefully) find it immediately useful, at least for some limited
applications.  Once the nose of the camel gets inside the tent, the rest
of the body will follow.  use breeds curiosity, and the incremental cost
(other than learning curve) of using more features and applications is
zero, so the learning process is encouraged.  Soon, the customer is
fully committed and using OFBiz for many things, but inevitably, there
are some customizations they would like to make.  Cha-ching!  Customers
create themselves.  Instead of a "missionary sale", you have more
customers than you can service, and they are looking for you, instead of
the reverse.

That

Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

Yes, this is obviously the root of our problems: we need at least 2GB to be sure
Did we already ask for more memory in a Jira infra issue ?

Jacques

From: "Hans Bakker" 

ok i am trying this one nownot sure however it will run in 1Gb of
memory

On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:46 +0200, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:
You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error. 
Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
problem was definitelly BIRT, 
so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK. 

-- Deyan 

-Original Message-
From: Hans Bakker 
Reply-to: user@ofbiz.apache.org
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:27:03 +0700

oK I have just restarted, i see the permgen arror again...according to
sun the maximum is 128M i am trying now 256M.

any advice how o avoid his problem?

Regards,
Hans

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 12:32 +0530, Abdullah Shaikh wrote:
> Demo site is throwing
> 
> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
> 
> 
> for all the backend applications, the ecommerce is working fine.
> 
> 
> - Abdullah

--
Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates

java.rmi.ConnectException: Connection refused to host: 127.0.0.1

2010-02-25 Thread nikunjsurati


I am getting an error while starting ofbiz.

java.rmi.ConnectException: Connection refused to host: 127.0.0.1; nested
exception is:
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPEndpoint.newSocket(TCPEndpoint.java:601)
at
sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection(TCPChannel.java:198)
at
sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection(TCPChannel.java:184)
at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:322)
at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source)
at java.rmi.Naming.rebind(Naming.java:160)
at
org.ofbiz.service.rmi.RmiServiceContainer.start(RmiServiceContainer.java:140)
at
org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerLoader.start(ContainerLoader.java:100)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startStartLoaders(Start.java:272)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startServer(Start.java:322)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.start(Start.java:326)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.main(Start.java:412)
Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Native Method)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.doConnect(PlainSocketImpl.java:333)
at
java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connectToAddress(PlainSocketImpl.java:195)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(PlainSocketImpl.java:182)
at java.net.SocksSocketImpl.connect(SocksSocketImpl.java:366)
at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:525)
at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:475)
at java.net.Socket.(Socket.java:372)
at java.net.Socket.(Socket.java:186)
at
sun.rmi.transport.proxy.RMIDirectSocketFactory.createSocket(RMIDirectSocketFactory.java:22)
at
sun.rmi.transport.proxy.RMIMasterSocketFactory.createSocket(RMIMasterSocketFactory.java:128)
at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPEndpoint.newSocket(TCPEndpoint.java:595)
... 11 more
org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerException: Unable to bind RMIDispatcher to
RMI on //host[127.0.0.1]:port[2099]/name[RMIDispatcher] - with
remote=RemoteDispatcherImpl[UnicastServerRef2 [liveRef:
[endpoint:[192.168.0.18:1211,org.ofbiz.service.rmi.socket.zip.compressionserversocketfact...@164b11c,org.ofbiz.service.rmi.socket.zip.compressionclientsocketfact...@1a7e280](local),objID:[1ed74a01:12704d7b0d9:-7fff,
5706702632816071805 (Connection refused to host: 127.0.0.1; nested
exception is:
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)Nikunj:
SQLProcessor.executeQuery(): _sql: SELECT JOB_NAME, RUN_TIME, POOL_ID,
STATUS_ID, PARENT_JOB_ID, PREVIOUS_JOB_ID, SERVICE_NAME, LOADER_NAME,
MAX_RETRY, AUTH_USER_LOGIN_ID, RUN_AS_USER, RUNTIME_DATA_ID,
RECURRENCE_INFO_ID, TEMP_EXPR_ID, CURRENT_RECURRENCE_COUNT,
MAX_RECURRENCE_COUNT, RUN_BY_INSTANCE_ID, START_DATE_TIME, FINISH_DATE_TIME,
CANCEL_DATE_TIME, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, CREATED_STAMP,
CREATED_TX

at
org.ofbiz.service.rmi.RmiServiceContainer.start(RmiServiceContainer.java:143)Nikunj:
SQLProcessor.executeQuery(): _sql: SELECT JOB_NAME, RUN_TIME, POOL_ID,
STATUS_ID, PARENT_JOB_ID, PREVIOUS_JOB_ID, SERVICE_NAME, LOADER_NAME,
MAX_RETRY, AUTH_USER_LOGIN_ID, RUN_AS_USER, RUNTIME_DATA_ID,
RECURRENCE_INFO_ID, TEMP_EXPR_ID, CURRENT_RECURRENCE_COUNT,
MAX_RECURRENCE_COUNT, RUN_BY_INSTANCE_ID, START_DATE_TIME, FINISH_DATE_TIME,
CANCEL_DATE_TIME, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP,

at
org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerLoader.start(ContainerLoader.java:100)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startStartLoaders(Start.java:272)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startServer(Start.java:322)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.start(Start.java:326)
at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.main(Start.java:412)
Caused by: java.rmi.ConnectException: Connection refused to host: 127.0.0.1;
nested exception is:
java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPEndpoint.newSocket(TCPEndpoint.java:601)
at
sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection(TCPChannel.java:198)
at
sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection(TCPChannel.java:184)
at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:322)
at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source)
at java.rmi.Naming.rebind(Naming.java:160)
at
org.ofbiz.service.rmi.RmiServiceContainer.start(RmiServiceContainer.java:140)
... 5 more
Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Native Method)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.doConnect(PlainSocketImpl.java:333)
at
java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connectToAddress(PlainSocketImpl.java:195)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(PlainSocketImpl.java:182)
at java.net.SocksSocketImpl.connect(SocksSocketImpl.java:366)
at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:525)
at java.net.Socket.co

Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

ok i am trying this one nownot sure however it will run in 1Gb of
memory

On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:46 +0200, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:
> You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error. 
> Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
> problem was definitelly BIRT, 
> so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK. 
> 
> -- Deyan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hans Bakker 
> Reply-to: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:27:03 +0700
> 
> 
> oK I have just restarted, i see the permgen arror again...according to
> sun the maximum is 128M i am trying now 256M.
> 
> any advice how o avoid his problem?
> 
> Regards,
> Hans
> 
> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 12:32 +0530, Abdullah Shaikh wrote:
> > Demo site is throwing
> > 
> > java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
> > 
> > 
> > for all the backend applications, the ecommerce is working fine.
> > 
> > 
> > - Abdullah
> 
> 
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Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

sure..i just restarted itany suggestions to fix it?

this problems happens at least once per day.

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 16:35 +0530, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
> >> we have an instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I 
> >> have noticed that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
> 
> I am also observing the same behavior since last few days(month) on my
> development machine.
> 
> --
> Ashish
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
>  wrote:
> > I too suspect that the Birt integration is responsible for this; we have an 
> > instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I have noticed 
> > that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> > On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:
> >
> >> You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error.
> >> Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
> >> problem was definitelly BIRT,
> >> so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK.
> >>
> >> -- Deyan
> >>
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Re: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails, is this a right way for the future?

2010-02-25 Thread Miles Huang


May be the Grails plugin mechanism is a good solution for the modularity
problem. If we separate the OFBIZ components into stand-alone Grails
plugins, each component is just like separated Grails applications, which
can be maintained in their own source directory structure. And during
development period, the Grails framework can provide sophisticated
mechanisms to resolve the OFBIZ module dependency. At runtime, the dependent
components are just deployed alongside with the referencing components in
the same web application, remote service call is not required.

I'm not familiar with OSGi, so I can't say much about it. But if we need to
support dynamical deploy/undeploy componets and multi-version module, the
OSGi promise sounds attractive. Through a quick glance at the presentation
from spring source (  OSGi 4.2 the Blueprint Service RI provider ), my
understanding is the OSGi will take the responsibility to manage the web
application dynamic module, while the web app framework such as Grails will
take the responsibility to construct the dynamic module implementation
framework. Does this mean OSGI and Grails technology can be integrated
without overlaps and conflicts?
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Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

2010-02-25 Thread Ashish Vijaywargiya

>> we have an instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I have 
>> noticed that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).

I am also observing the same behavior since last few days(month) on my
development machine.

--
Ashish


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
 wrote:
> I too suspect that the Birt integration is responsible for this; we have an 
> instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I have noticed 
> that this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:
>
>> You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error.
>> Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
>> problem was definitelly BIRT,
>> so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK.
>>
>> -- Deyan
>>

Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

I too suspect that the Birt integration is responsible for this; we have an 
instance experiencing PermGen errors after an upgrade, and I have noticed that 
this happens often when PDF are created (not with Birt).

Jacopo

On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Deyan Tsvetanov wrote:

> You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error. 
> Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
> problem was definitelly BIRT, 
> so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK. 
> 
> -- Deyan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hans Bakker 
> Reply-to: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:27:03 +0700
> 
> 
> oK I have just restarted, i see the permgen arror again...according to
> sun the maximum is 128M i am trying now 256M.
> 
> any advice how o avoid his problem?
> 
> Regards,
> Hans
> 
> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 12:32 +0530, Abdullah Shaikh wrote:
>> Demo site is throwing
>> 
>> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
>> 
>> 
>> for all the backend applications, the ecommerce is working fine.
>> 
>> 
>> - Abdullah
> 
>

Re: Shipment complete and tracking code

the tracking code comes from the shipper you use.
if you are using one of the built in shippers then this is taken care of
 without human intervention.
otherwise you will need to add a field and the code to handle the
tracking code manually.


Ramkrishna Swamy sent the following on 2/25/2010 2:35 AM:
> Thanks BJ Freeman for your reply but those mail includes tracking code, how
> to complete shipment rather than quick ship entire order button in order
> mgr.
>

Re: Shipment complete and tracking code

2010-02-25 Thread Ramkrishna Swamy

Thanks BJ Freeman for your reply but those mail includes tracking code, how
to complete shipment rather than quick ship entire order button in order
mgr.

-- 
Thanks
Ramkrishna

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, BJ Freeman  wrote:

> I bumped a couple of previous emails to answer question about the two
> ways tracking codes are used.
>
>
> Ramkrishna Swamy sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:31 AM:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I have to complete shipment for that i went into order component and
> clicked
> > on Pack shipment for ship group and packed and then complete the shipment
> > but when i see status of shipment it shows packed now what should i do to
> > complete the shipment??
> > Also i have to enter tracking code for the shipment where i can do it.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
>
>

Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error

2010-02-25 Thread Deyan Tsvetanov

You should investigate which piece of code is causing that error. 
Few months ago I used BIRT into ofbiz and i was getting this error. The
problem was definitelly BIRT, 
so I set -XX:PermSize=64m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m  and since than it's OK. 

-- Deyan 

-Original Message-
From: Hans Bakker 
Reply-to: user@ofbiz.apache.org
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: Demo is down with OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space error
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:27:03 +0700

oK I have just restarted, i see the permgen arror again...according to
sun the maximum is 128M i am trying now 256M.

any advice how o avoid his problem?

Regards,
Hans

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 12:32 +0530, Abdullah Shaikh wrote:
> Demo site is throwing
> 
> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
> 
> 
> for all the backend applications, the ecommerce is working fine.
> 
> 
> - Abdullah

Re: Shipment complete and tracking code

I bumped a couple of previous emails to answer question about the two
ways tracking codes are used.


Ramkrishna Swamy sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:31 AM:
> Hello list,
> 
> I have to complete shipment for that i went into order component and clicked
> on Pack shipment for ship group and packed and then complete the shipment
> but when i see status of shipment it shows packed now what should i do to
> complete the shipment??
> Also i have to enter tracking code for the shipment where i can do it.
> Thanks in advance.
>

Re: Tracking shipments

bump this for question about shippers tracking code.
look at
ShipmentPackageRouteSeg.trackingCode

BJ Freeman sent the following on 8/9/2008 1:09 PM:
> to clarify the FedexServices.java shows that the tracking information is
> extracted when you create a shipping request to fedex.
> so you can put that in the ShipmentRouteSegment.
> 
> 
> 
> BJ Freeman sent the following on 8/9/2008 10:08 AM:
>> applications\product\src\org\ofbiz\shipment\thirdparty\fedex
>>
>> Kamal Upadhyay sent the following on 8/9/2008 9:46 AM:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I need your help. Does Ofbiz have a way to give shipment information using
>>> FEDEX/UPS tracking codes. I tried to look for service which might accept
>>> tracking code and return shipment information but I found none. I can see
>>> that Ofbiz supports shipment creation but couldn't find anything for
>>> tracking
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kamal
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: How do we assign Tracking Code to Promotion and track them?

bump this up to explain tracking codes in ofbiz

Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/17/2008 1:01 AM:
> Simply assign the Promotion Code you want to track to the Tracking Code
> Id field when creating a new Tracking Code
> 
> You might be interested by
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/download/attachments/742/ManagerReferenceMarketing.pdf?version=1
> p. 24 §.4.5.3.
> Excerpt : < ID. If this same code is needed by the customer to
> qualify for a promotion, make it easy for them to use.>>
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "Ajey" 
>>
>> Hi all,
>> how a tracking code can be applied to a particular promotion and how
>> we can
>> track the usage of a particular Promotion with this Tracking Code. Please
>> help me out. thanx
>> -- 
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/How-do-we-assign-Tracking-Code-to-Promotion-and-track-them--tp15477314p15477314.html
>>
>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

thanks Hans

Hans Bakker sent the following on 2/25/2010 1:33 AM:
> Thank you for reporting, the error is fixed in r916195
> Regards,
> Hans
>

Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

I am for standalone framework. David has been working on that project
for a while, if I remember correctly.

#2 bothers me though. The design of ofbiz was that the entity was the
controlling factor for creating DB and UI. I was one of the major
reasons I came to ofbiz.
That said, any work that wants to be done on UI integration that makes
ofbiz look classy, I think should be the focus.
A lot of work has been done in that area.
But integrating other UI interfaces that keep the design idea of the
entity being to controlling focus is what I would like to see.

I don't see ofbiz being object oriented in the normal sense.

I see the effort for the help files and a easily understood UI from the
user point of view being the main factors in promoting ofbiz.




Chris Snow sent the following on 2/24/2010 10:47 PM:
> Here are some benefits of a 10.04 standalone framework release:
> 
> 1) Standalone framework users would be a form of quality control helping
> to ensure more incorrect dependencies don't find there way into ofbiz.
> 2) we would be able to promote the framework in its own right thus
> competing with OpenERP's OpenObject platform
> 3) a much larger potential user base than ecommerce or erp users.
> 
> Any more that I have missed?
> 
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

Thank you for reporting, the error is fixed in r916195
Regards,
Hans

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On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 02:31 -0800, Koon Sang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I got error on 
>  https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032:
> 
> 
> Error rendering included template at location
> [component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at location:
> component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl 
> 
> 
> Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)
> 
> 
> Kindly advise.  Thanks!

Shipment complete and tracking code

2010-02-25 Thread Ramkrishna Swamy

Hello list,

I have to complete shipment for that i went into order component and clicked
on Pack shipment for ship group and packed and then complete the shipment
but when i see status of shipment it shows packed now what should i do to
complete the shipment??
Also i have to enter tracking code for the shipment where i can do it.
Thanks in advance.

-- 
Thanks
Ramkrishna

Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams

I can see them being in the trunk as a pain
but in the site or even there own folder like videos
~340mb
for now I will link then to my site if anyone once to see them till it
is figured out.

David E Jones sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:52 AM:
> Those files are enormous, and would be a real pain in SVN.
> 
> -David
> 
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:40 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your work.
>> Might I suggest that the pd f and video be put into ofbiz, itself as the
>> other website information has been.
>> then it would be in the svn.
>> as a starter maybe make the video location a top folder so there is a
>> choice to download them, like the site. or add them to the site folder.
>> any way you put them in the svn you can link the videos then from the
>> svn to the wiki.
>>
>> Just a thought
>>
>>
>> Tim Ruppert sent the following on 2/24/2010 3:18 PM:
>>> I'm posting the PDFs now.  When there's a place to move all of the bigfiles 
>>> things - I will be happy to post those as well.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 3:56 PM, goranjan wrote:
>>>
 BJ,

 I think Tim is asking for the actual files (PDFs and videos) to be put on
 the infrastructure.

 Can you provide those to him?

 Thanks,
 Goran


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 http://n4.nabble.com/Framework-Introduction-Videos-and-Diagrams-tp1562564p1568218.html
 Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
>

Re: Framework Introduction Videos and Diagrams


Those files are enormous, and would be a real pain in SVN.

-David

On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:40 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:

> Thanks for your work.
> Might I suggest that the pd f and video be put into ofbiz, itself as the
> other website information has been.
> then it would be in the svn.
> as a starter maybe make the video location a top folder so there is a
> choice to download them, like the site. or add them to the site folder.
> any way you put them in the svn you can link the videos then from the
> svn to the wiki.
> 
> Just a thought
> 
> 
> Tim Ruppert sent the following on 2/24/2010 3:18 PM:
>> I'm posting the PDFs now.  When there's a place to move all of the bigfiles 
>> things - I will be happy to post those as well.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 3:56 PM, goranjan wrote:
>> 
>>> BJ,
>>> 
>>> I think Tim is asking for the actual files (PDFs and videos) to be put on
>>> the infrastructure.
>>> 
>>> Can you provide those to him?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Goran
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> View this message in context: 
>>> http://n4.nabble.com/Framework-Introduction-Videos-and-Diagrams-tp1562564p1568218.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

2010-02-25 Thread Atul Vani


oh, my mistake,

now that i notice, 9.04 hasn't got that flt file in svn,

someone got to upload it back...


Atul Vani wrote:

You interpreted me wrong Koon,

i suggested you to get a new copy of  
*ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml *from 
svn...

*
*

Koon Sang wrote:

Hi Atul,

I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from 
9.04
release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help 
put the

file in.

Thanks!
  


Atul Vani wrote:

get an update of this file 
(ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml) from 
ofbiz trunk, you might have mistakenly edited it...



Koon Sang wrote:

Anyone can help resolve this issue in Version 9.04?
Thanks! 


Atul Vani wrote:
you are getting this error coz by default there is no such file at 
this location (/ofbiz/applications/order/webapp/ordermgr/request) in 
ofbiz trunk



the file included in your screen doesn't exist...

  


Koon Sang wrote:
Hi,

I got error on 
https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032:



Error rendering included template at location
[component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at 
location:

component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl

Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)


Kindly advise. Thanks!

Re: Ecommerce Error

so it does. have to many projects open.
Hans makes the comment that he deleted them by mistake
but only put it back in trunk instead of 9.04 as well
there is another files from the same directory that is not there also
that is called out in the jira.
my thinking was to get hans to update 9.04 using the jira that was
already there.

Brajesh Patel sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:37 AM:
> Hi BJ,
> 
> In 9.04 release have /specialpurpose/ecommerse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:03 PM, BJ Freeman  wrote:
> 
>> you are having him get trunk to put in the 9.04 release.
>> the 9.04 does not have /specialpurpose/ecommerse
>>
>> Atul Vani sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:25 AM:
>>> You interpreted me wrong Koon,
>>>
>>> i suggested you to get a new copy of
>>> *ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml *from
>> svn...
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>> Koon Sang wrote:
 Hi Atul,

 I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
 order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from
>> 9.04
 release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help
 put the
 file in.

 Thanks!

>>> Atul Vani wrote:
>>>
>>> get an update of this file
>>> (ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml) from
>>> ofbiz trunk, you might have mistakenly edited it...
>>>
>>>
>>> Koon Sang wrote:
 Anyone can help resolve this issue in Version 9.04?
 Thanks!
>>> Atul Vani wrote:
 you are getting this error coz by default there is no such file at
 this location (/ofbiz/applications/order/webapp/ordermgr/request) in
 ofbiz trunk


 the file included in your screen doesn't exist...


>>> Koon Sang wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I got error on
>>> https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032
>> :
>>>
>>> Error rendering included template at location
>>> [component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
>>> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at
>> location:
>>> component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl
>>>
>>> Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kindly advise. Thanks!
>>>
>>
> 
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

2010-02-25 Thread Brajesh Patel

Hi BJ,

In 9.04 release have /specialpurpose/ecommerse.




On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:03 PM, BJ Freeman  wrote:

> you are having him get trunk to put in the 9.04 release.
> the 9.04 does not have /specialpurpose/ecommerse
>
> Atul Vani sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:25 AM:
> > You interpreted me wrong Koon,
> >
> > i suggested you to get a new copy of
> > *ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml *from
> svn...
> > *
> > *
> >
> > Koon Sang wrote:
> >> Hi Atul,
> >>
> >> I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
> >> order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from
> 9.04
> >> release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help
> >> put the
> >> file in.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >
> > Atul Vani wrote:
> >
> > get an update of this file
> > (ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml) from
> > ofbiz trunk, you might have mistakenly edited it...
> >
> >
> > Koon Sang wrote:
> >> Anyone can help resolve this issue in Version 9.04?
> >> Thanks!
> >
> > Atul Vani wrote:
> >> you are getting this error coz by default there is no such file at
> >> this location (/ofbiz/applications/order/webapp/ordermgr/request) in
> >> ofbiz trunk
> >>
> >>
> >> the file included in your screen doesn't exist...
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Koon Sang wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I got error on
> > https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032
> :
> >
> >
> > Error rendering included template at location
> > [component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
> > java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at
> location:
> > component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl
> >
> > Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)
> >
> >
> > Kindly advise. Thanks!
> >
>
>


-- 
Thanks
Brajesh Patel

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

Re: Ecommerce Error

yes apparently hans did not see ruths comment about 9.04

Deepak Dixit sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:29 AM:
> 
> Its fixed for trunk not for release branch in rev no 806914.
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

you are having him get trunk to put in the 9.04 release.
the 9.04 does not have /specialpurpose/ecommerse

Atul Vani sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:25 AM:
> You interpreted me wrong Koon,
> 
> i suggested you to get a new copy of 
> *ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml *from svn...
> *
> *
> 
> Koon Sang wrote:
>> Hi Atul,
>>
>> I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
>> order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from 9.04
>> release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help
>> put the
>> file in.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>   
> 
> Atul Vani wrote:
> 
> get an update of this file
> (ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml) from
> ofbiz trunk, you might have mistakenly edited it...
> 
> 
> Koon Sang wrote:
>> Anyone can help resolve this issue in Version 9.04?
>> Thanks! 
> 
> Atul Vani wrote:
>> you are getting this error coz by default there is no such file at
>> this location (/ofbiz/applications/order/webapp/ordermgr/request) in
>> ofbiz trunk
>>
>>
>> the file included in your screen doesn't exist...
>>
>>   
> 
> Koon Sang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I got error on
> https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032:
> 
> 
> Error rendering included template at location
> [component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at location:
> component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl
> 
> Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)
> 
> 
> Kindly advise. Thanks!
>

Re: Ecommerce Error

2010-02-25 Thread Deepak Dixit



Its fixed for trunk not for release branch in rev no 806914.

--
Deepak Dixit



BJ Freeman wrote:

oops that is the trunk
see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2853


BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:04 AM:
  

look under
ecomerce/webapp/ecomerce/request/requestInfo.ftl

Koon Sang sent the following on 2/24/2010 11:44 PM:


Hi Atul,

I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from 9.04
release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help put the
file in.

Thanks!

Re: Ecommerce Error

2010-02-25 Thread Deepak Dixit


Hi Atul,

Koon is using Release branch not fresh trunk.

Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.
Website :- www.hotwaxmedia.com
Contact :- +91-98267-54548



Atul Vani wrote:

You interpreted me wrong Koon,

i suggested you to get a new copy of  
*ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml *from 
svn...

*
*

Koon Sang wrote:

Hi Atul,

I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from 
9.04
release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help 
put the

file in.

Thanks!
  


Atul Vani wrote:

get an update of this file 
(ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml) from 
ofbiz trunk, you might have mistakenly edited it...



Koon Sang wrote:

Anyone can help resolve this issue in Version 9.04?
Thanks! 


Atul Vani wrote:
you are getting this error coz by default there is no such file at 
this location (/ofbiz/applications/order/webapp/ordermgr/request) in 
ofbiz trunk



the file included in your screen doesn't exist...

  


Koon Sang wrote:
Hi,

I got error on 
https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032:



Error rendering included template at location
[component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at 
location:

component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl

Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)


Kindly advise. Thanks!

Re: Ecommerce Error

2010-02-25 Thread Atul Vani


You interpreted me wrong Koon,

i suggested you to get a new copy of  
*ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml *from svn...

*
*

Koon Sang wrote:

Hi Atul,

I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from 9.04
release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help put the
file in.

Thanks!
  


Atul Vani wrote:

get an update of this file 
(ofbiz/specialpurpose/ecommerse/widget/CustRequestScreens.xml) from 
ofbiz trunk, you might have mistakenly edited it...



Koon Sang wrote:

Anyone can help resolve this issue in Version 9.04?
Thanks! 


Atul Vani wrote:
you are getting this error coz by default there is no such file at 
this location (/ofbiz/applications/order/webapp/ordermgr/request) in 
ofbiz trunk



the file included in your screen doesn't exist...

  


Koon Sang wrote:
Hi,

I got error on 
https://localhost:8443/ecommerce/control/ViewRequest?custRequestId=10032:



Error rendering included template at location
[component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl]:
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: FreeMarker file not found at location:
component://order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl

Version: 9.04 (2010-2-17)


Kindly advise. Thanks!

Re: Ecommerce Error

oops that is the trunk
see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2853


BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/25/2010 12:04 AM:
> look under
> ecomerce/webapp/ecomerce/request/requestInfo.ftl
> 
> Koon Sang sent the following on 2/24/2010 11:44 PM:
>> Hi Atul,
>>
>> I just downloaded the latest 9.04 build (2010-2-23) and checked that
>> order/webapp/ordermgr/request/requestInfo.ftl is indeed missing from 9.04
>> release.  As I am not a contributor in OFBIZ, maybe someone can help put the
>> file in.
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
>

Re: Ecommerce Error