Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I believe he was querying newsgroups Josh On May 9, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: I ran a query for groups that contain videoblog and ended up with zero matches. What query do you use? On 5/9/06, Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area (newsgroups), and the research is freely available. Check it out for yourself, run the numbers, and draw your own conclusions: http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ Personally, I find this group to be a tremendous asset to the videoblogging community as a whole. People lurk. People post. People flame. It's all normal. Where we fall in the categorization of a group, well, you decide. I post very rarely, and mostly in regard to technical issues that nobody else seems to be chiming in on. It doesn't mean I'm not an active member, I've just found my particular role here (which may change at any time). -- joshpaul SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagami Founding Partner Universus Networks, LLC U N I V E R S U S . N E T Video Bloggers Podcasting Vloggercon.com - San Francisco June 10th and 11th, 2006 SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello Biafra SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Yes there is lots of great information that flows through this group. The problem is the structure and limitation of the group make it near impossible for those looking in the past for this great information to find it. If you don't keep up with the group, the good information will be missed, lost forever. I've tried to search for specifics... it was painful. All this great information that gets left in time. Great information that only those that continue to follow each thread can discover. If we agree that there is a problem with the yahoo groups, then we either: 1) Put up with the problems 2) Try and fix the problem (Contact Yahoo or 3rd party) 3) Leave it behind and move on If we decided today to go with option 3, in 1 year, or say 25 years, will it matter that we moved? Will we all regroup on the other side? Is the format of these groups part of it's own failure? The average newb has probably been part of a message forum. They generally know how to navigate, search and retrieve great information from a standard message forum. If those involved had started a message forum instead of the yahoo group how much bigger (or smaller) might the group be? If I say something brilliant and no one reads it, does it matter that I said it at all? Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net May 10th - A special day) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've actually met several lurkers on this list in person (you might be surprised who is lurking here). Often they are happy to sit back and watch the conversation as it happens -- though there is certainly a lot of conversation to take in on this list as it can be high-flow at times. Make no mistake about it -- there is great information that passes through here, from new ideas and new trends, technical innovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggers exploring new possibilities. -Josh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas. Life is too short for ad hominem arguments. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
So perhaps we need to pressure Yahoo into making the changes to their groups, ummm, our groups, so we can better access the information. I mean, it is in their best interest to be better then their competitors. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should make a tutorial on how to subscribe and read this list. 1. Use something threaded like Gmail 2. Set up a rule/filter so it doesn't all show up in your inbox 3. Ignore threads you're not interested in 4. Flag the ones you're watching 5. Mark everything that's dropped out of view as read That's not a bad idea. Gmail (or similar reader) is approximately 1.7billion times better than the yahoo groups page, and its 'search mail' feature makes searches much easier. (If you do do something like that, be sure to mention Gmail Lables :-) -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Wed, 10 May 2006 11:47:47 +0200, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we decided today to go with option 3, in 1 year, or say 25 years, will it matter that we moved? The problem is that there is no we, there are 2100 I's. :o) Is the format of these groups part of it's own failure? The average newb has probably been part of a message forum. They generally know how to navigate, search and retrieve great information from a standard message forum. Yeah, and everyone has also tried to send an e-mail. They're equally easy. If those involved had started a message forum instead of the yahoo group how much bigger (or smaller) might the group be? No one knows. Probably the same size, but instead of complaining on Yahoo delivering e-mails half a day late we'd been complaining about the SQL server going down. If I say something brilliant and no one reads it, does it matter that I said it at all? Depends. :o) May 10th - A special day) I would like to know why, but I can't seem to load any videos from blip.tv this morning! -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On 5/10/06, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So perhaps we need to pressure Yahoo into making the changes to their groups, ummm, our groups, so we can better access the information. I mean, it is in their best interest to be better then their competitors. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net They sent around a questionnaire recently saying they're looking for ways to improve... -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:17:51 +0200, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a while anyway, both would surely co-exist. But if such a forum system had an easy public RSS feed ... there's no reason the group of thousands couldnt subscribe to it ... the usage would naturally move over time to which ever turned out the be most used in actual practice. First off: Moving with any kind of success it a Really Hard Task - it's not just pushing the one-click phpBB install option at your hosting provider's control panel. You have to figure out if there's anything in the structure of a Yahoo Group that keeps people who are interested in joining the conversation from actually joining. I can't see what that would be. Then you have to figure out if moving to a webbased message board would change things. I can't see why. Personally, I think it's quite normal to have an 80/20 or 90/10 in groups like these, the videoblogging group is nothing special. If people wants to join in the conversation they should just post, if they want to be part of the conversation, but don't want to write a post then nothing is going to help. After that you have all the nice technical problems. Like finding a message board system that handles threaded discussions well because conversations on this list tends to branch out. Finding out a way to have replies be handled as easily as in e-mail. Finding something that has the same speed. E-mail downloads fast, I only have to download new messages and no fluff - message boards tends to be the opposite (lots of fluff, forcing people to load the entire thread when looking at new posts). And you have to figure out how to handle notifications properly. A standard feed don't cut it. You either have to set the amount of items really high (like 100) which will be really fun for the reader and webserver or you end up with people only getting half a conversation because they went to bed when the hot discussion started. It's not just solved by installing some plugin and hoping for the best. Finally you have to convince some people to break habits and move their conversations over. You'll have to prove that there's actual value to be gained from moving. Don't skip to this step before you've thought hard about the other two steps. Like Peter said, if you want to start a forum go for it. No one owns the topic of general videoblog discussion. This group has had plenty of splinter groups. Some were not so successful (e.g. videoblogging_content) but many have been quite successful (e.g. Node101, video_vertigo, mefeedia, blip and fireant user groups). -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
This is overall an interesting discussion. Myself, I haven't written much on this group for the last several months. Partly because I think there is a lot of noise on this list, and partly because well there are already loads of voices expressing themselves here - they be 70% or 1% it still is a variety. As far as I know, all messages on this yahoogroups is also being sent on a google group that has far better search functionality. Here is the google group: http://groups.google.com/group/videoblogging In my point of view, this yahoogroups was very useful in the very start of this movement, but it becomes ever less important as different subcultures grow. It is impossible to believe we can have One discussion list for all videobloggers in 2 years. Well, this group Will most likely still exist, but by that time I doubt you can claim that this group represents everyone doing videoblogging. I doubt you can claim that even today. Thanks to services like freevlog, newcomers have a starting page. Someone will create those text-based introductions to the art of videoblogging, or several people will do, and people will find one of them. I think we should move a bit away from the conception of having One community that includes everyone. Some people will feel more inclined to follow this space, while others will go to other spaces. The market is/will be Huge. Having said that, I am looking forward to meeting those of you who are coming to VloggerCon - i will stay in San Francisco from June 8th-13th. Greetings from Oslo, Raymond M. Kristiansen http://dltq.orgOn 5/10/06, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is lots of great information that flows through this group.The problem is the structure and limitation of the group make it nearimpossible for those looking in the past for this great information tofind it. If you don't keep up with the group, the good information will bemissed, lost forever. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Wed, 10 May 2006 12:39:23 +0200, R. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my point of view, this yahoogroups was very useful in the very start of this movement, but it becomes ever less important as different subcultures grow. It is impossible to believe we can have One discussion list for all videobloggers in 2 years. Well, this group Will most likely still exist, but by that time I doubt you can claim that this group represents everyone doing videoblogging. I doubt you can claim that even today. You've never been able to claim that. Not the first day, not the last day. :o) when it stops being usefull this list will simply die, these things are wonderfully self-organizing that way. Having said that, I am looking forward to meeting those of you who are coming to VloggerCon - i will stay in San Francisco from June 8th-13th. Me too, same days here. I want to meet people too! -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
If you look at the data from Netscan, you can get a feel for the activity within a group, in general. From what I recall, this thread originated with a discussion about the number of subscribers along with the number of posts by various people, and an activity percentage. I think the original post even inquired how we can get more people active (hence bridge the gap). I believe that we're not so bad, in comparison to other newsgroups out there (and there are a lot). I'm bias, though, because I'm quite happy with this group...even when it goes off topic. :-) If you really want to figure out how to get people more active (which I assume means a higher number of people who post) in this group, at least from a scientific/sociological approach, you'd probably want to find the more active groups in the Netscan data and try to figure out what makes them different. -- joshpaul On May 10, 2006, at 3:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe he was querying newsgroups Josh On May 9, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: I ran a query for groups that contain videoblog and ended up with zero matches. What query do you use? On 5/9/06, Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area (newsgroups), and the research is freely available. Check it out for yourself, run the numbers, and draw your own conclusions: http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ Personally, I find this group to be a tremendous asset to the videoblogging community as a whole. People lurk. People post. People flame. It's all normal. Where we fall in the categorization of a group, well, you decide. I post very rarely, and mostly in regard to technical issues that nobody else seems to be chiming in on. It doesn't mean I'm not an active member, I've just found my particular role here (which may change at any time). -- joshpaul SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com Hi Matt, Seven percent is actually pretty good for an email list of more than 1,000 people. A few years ago I saw a study of email lists that suggested the number of regular contributors was often less than five percent. Most lists tend to be dominated by a core 1% of users, with another five percent posting occasionally, another 10 percent posting rarely, and the rest pretty much never - the classic contributor/lurker divide. I've been running a couple of e-lists for a long time (wwwedu for 12 years, digitaldivide for six) and I'd guess that the participation level is about the same. Some people have posted multiple times a week for years, while others have been on the list from the beginning and they've never posted. When I've surveyed them, the response is always the same - I enjoy the conversation but never feel the need to comment publicly. Having said that, I'm shocked I'm in the top 10 contributors. I always thought of myself as a lurker on this list. It's all relative, I guess. andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this Yahoo Group. Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80 Michael Sullivan 50 Devlon 43 Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39 David Meade 36 Markus Sandy 35 Deirdre Straughan 34 Michael Verdi 27 Andy Carvin 27 Casey McKinnon 24 robert a/k/a r 23 Anne Walk 21 Harold Johnson 20 Josh Leo 19 Joshua Kinberg 18 Enric 17 David Howell 17 Jen Simmons 17 Stephanie Bryant 16 andrew michael baron 15 Andreas Haugstrup 13 B Yen 13 Bill Streeter 13 Susan 12 Gena 12 Heath 11 jonny goldstein 11 usadutch2001 10 Ted Tagami 9 Chuck Olsen 9 Paul Knight 9 Steve Garfield 8 Jan 8 LeanBackVids.com 8 Mike Hudack 8 WWWhatsup 7 Josh Wolf 7 Randolfe Wicker 7 Richard (Show) Hall 7 Stan Hirson, Sarah J... 6 Adam Quirk 6 Jay dedman 6 Mike Moon 6 missbhavens1969 6 Nathan Freitas 6 Ron Watson 6 Ryan Ozawa 6 xicastmedia 5 greendesertpro 5 Michael Meiser 5 Monique Danielle The point of all this? To validate my concerns... It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of the video blogging world. Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly, but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating members since last year. There must be a way to bridge the gap between all the other vloggers. Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same. -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every conversation. I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group. And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed, email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots of functions you will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media. But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others. I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setup must be. And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no participation. Should we start over and call vlogging something else like Vlogcasting? Now up my number with 1 again. :) Blips http://vlogassist.com http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format may come in handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature also... I want to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want to have to visit a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups (languages, content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...) I think that one space with divisions is better than multiple spaces... and it may be less intimidating for newbies... but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... hmmm anyway... those are my thoughts On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this Yahoo Group. Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80 Michael Sullivan 50 Devlon 43 Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39 David Meade 36 Markus Sandy 35 Deirdre Straughan 34 Michael Verdi 27 Andy Carvin 27 Casey McKinnon 24 robert a/k/a r 23 Anne Walk 21 Harold Johnson 20 Josh Leo 19 Joshua Kinberg 18 Enric 17 David Howell 17 Jen Simmons 17 Stephanie Bryant 16 andrew michael baron 15 Andreas Haugstrup 13 B Yen 13 Bill Streeter 13 Susan 12 Gena 12 Heath 11 jonny goldstein 11 usadutch2001 10 Ted Tagami 9 Chuck Olsen 9 Paul Knight 9 Steve Garfield 8 Jan 8 LeanBackVids.com 8 Mike Hudack 8 WWWhatsup 7 Josh Wolf 7 Randolfe Wicker 7 Richard (Show) Hall 7 Stan Hirson, Sarah J... 6 Adam Quirk 6 Jay dedman 6 Mike Moon 6 missbhavens1969 6 Nathan Freitas 6 Ron Watson 6 Ryan Ozawa 6 xicastmedia 5 greendesertpro 5 Michael Meiser 5 Monique Danielle The point of all this? To validate my concerns... It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of the video blogging world. Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly, but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating members since last year. There must be a way to bridge the gap between all the other vloggers. Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same. -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
David; Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your list and YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or to choosen topics. Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal. Blips http://vlogassist.com Vlogging resources http:/vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh. I think part of the issue is the volume of traffic in this list can be daunting. New folks become lurkers because they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the more brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great. If we could have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see everything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good: - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise) - Events and Meetups - Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware - Editing and Compression - Blogs and Hosting - RSS and Publication - Aggregators and Readers - Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!) - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you violate.) - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.) - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.) - General / Off Topic chit chat. - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging) And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
ok just a warning... let's not start the what shall we call it conversation again... if we as a community want to use a forum instead of the list, a lot of changes need to happen and a lot of habits need to change... how would we make a group of thousands switch? On 5/9/06, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond mycomfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying everyconversation.I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group. And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed,email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots of functionsyou will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media. But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others.I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setup must be.And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no participation.Should we start over and call vlogging something else like Vlogcasting?Now up my number with 1 again. :)Blips http://vlogassist.comhttp://vlogmatic.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format may come in handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature also... I want to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want to haveto visit a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups(languages, content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...) I think that one space with divisions is better than multiplespaces... and it may be less intimidating for newbies... but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... hmmm anyway... those are my thoughts On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this Yahoo Group.Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80Michael Sullivan 50Devlon 43Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39David Meade 36Markus Sandy 35Deirdre Straughan 34Michael Verdi 27Andy Carvin 27Casey McKinnon 24robert a/k/a r 23Anne Walk 21Harold Johnson 20Josh Leo 19Joshua Kinberg 18Enric 17David Howell 17Jen Simmons 17Stephanie Bryant 16andrew michael baron 15Andreas Haugstrup 13B Yen 13Bill Streeter 13Susan 12Gena 12Heath 11jonny goldstein 11usadutch2001 10Ted Tagami 9 Chuck Olsen 9 Paul Knight 9 Steve Garfield 8 Jan 8 LeanBackVids.com 8 Mike Hudack 8 WWWhatsup 7 Josh Wolf 7 Randolfe Wicker 7 Richard (Show) Hall 7 Stan Hirson, Sarah J... 6 Adam Quirk 6 Jay dedman 6 Mike Moon 6 missbhavens1969 6 Nathan Freitas 6 Ron Watson 6 Ryan Ozawa 6 xicastmedia 5 greendesertpro 5 Michael Meiser 5 Monique Danielle The point of all this?To validate my concerns... It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of the video blogging world.Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly, but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating members since last year.There must be a way to bridge the gap between all the other vloggers. Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same. -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com Yahoo! Groups Links-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Plug? HAHAHA! I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks. Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vlog listing on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about plugging the forums. I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an added service. The goal was to provide another connection point for international vloggers and those interested in video blogging. However, the reality is that VlogMap gets 80-90% non-vlogger traffic. Most people come from searching Google, yet they still seem to be confused about what vlogging is. Many of the visitors are from outside the US. Many are visiting to find videos. Most are not vloggers. That does provide a good opportunity for those listed to reap traffic. Andy Carvin has mapped a ton of videos and has probably seen a slight increase in traffic. Anyways, I'm not sure how to continue... it is hard to develop tools for the community (minority) yet focus on the viewers (majority). That being said, the future of VlogMap is in the community's hands. If users don't add vlogs/geovlogs then it will go stale. If users don't moderate the listings, it may get filled w/ junk. As for the forums and handbook, they may get pulled down since nobody is using them. Participating would plug yourself. VlogMap operates on a $0 budget and makes $0. My only goal is to better the community and provide useful/fun tools for vloggers. Sorry that is seen as a plug. -Matt --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Awesome, Blips. I've been there a few times but didnt see an RSS button. Is there a public feed?I guess from David's Perfect World, the feed would be public - anyone could view the topics, but they'd have to be members to post/reply (just like the yahoo group) - DaveOn 5/9/06, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David;Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your listand YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or tochoosen topics.Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal. Blipshttp://vlogassist.com Vlogging resourceshttp:/vlogmatic.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.I think part of the issue is thevolume of traffic in this list can be daunting.New folks become lurkersbecause they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and themore brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.If wecould have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still seeeverything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good:- FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)- Events and Meetups- Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware- Editing and Compression- Blogs and Hosting- RSS and Publication- Aggregators and Readers- Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)- Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights youviolate.)- Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.)- The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.)- General / Off Topic chit chat.- Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging) And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free.See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Sad thing is that I don't think it is a matter of a space being created as much as it is the group movement to use that space... A good forum on freevlog.org, node101.org, videoblogging.info with the support of everyone...I hate to say it, but if we were to decide to abandon yahoo, we would need the big names to start pointing everyone to the forum, all the vlog-blogs, the tutorials, the meetups, the presentations, software pages, services, and sidebar links need to support a change... not just someone saying hey i made this come over here On 5/9/06, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David;Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your listand YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or tochoosen topics.Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal. Blipshttp://vlogassist.com Vlogging resourceshttp:/vlogmatic.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.I think part of the issue is thevolume of traffic in this list can be daunting.New folks become lurkersbecause they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and themore brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.If wecould have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still seeeverything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good:- FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise)- Events and Meetups- Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware- Editing and Compression- Blogs and Hosting- RSS and Publication- Aggregators and Readers- Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!)- Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights youviolate.)- Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.)- The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.)- General / Off Topic chit chat.- Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging) And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free.See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I'm just messin with ya Matt...I plan on geovlogging a lot more of my videos...does vlogmap get found a lot by the people searching for things like nude vlog 'Naked cat videos etc cause I know that I get a lot of that kind of traffic... in addition to all the people searching for how to peel a mango and hitler's eagles nest... On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plug? HAHAHA!I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vloglisting on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about pluggingthe forums. I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an addedservice.The goal was to provide another connection point forinternational vloggers and those interested in video blogging.However, the reality is that VlogMap gets 80-90% non-vlogger traffic. Most people come from searching Google, yet they still seem to beconfused about what vlogging is.Many of the visitors are from outside the US.Many are visiting tofind videos.Most are not vloggers.That does provide a good opportunity for those listed to reap traffic.Andy Carvin has mappeda ton of videos and has probably seen a slight increase in traffic.Anyways, I'm not sure how to continue... it is hard to develop tools for the community (minority) yet focus on the viewers (majority).That being said, the future of VlogMap is in the community's hands.If users don't add vlogs/geovlogs then it will go stale.If usersdon't moderate the listings, it may get filled w/ junk. As for the forums and handbook, they may get pulled down since nobodyis using them.Participating would plug yourself.VlogMap operateson a $0 budget and makes $0.My only goal is to better the community and provide useful/fun tools for vloggers.Sorry that is seen as a plug.-Matt--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmapforums... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
as they say: "no good deed goes unpunished" ;) LeanBackVids.com wrote: Plug? HAHAHA! I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks. -Matt --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
It's the classic 80/20 rule, some may come to the site to join just to plug something and then you never hear from them again, some are daunted by the tech know how, some may just enjoy the ranting of a bunch of slightly off persons. :) But I know I would like a more type of forum thing and I do remember you plugging the forums you created, I think for some it may be that they don't want to have to travel to different sites, once they are hear. I think some of the issue with the forum idea that you had, was who else was plugging it? Was there a link on freevlog, and vloggercon or even in this group on the main page. I know that I would like something like a forum listing, (I meant to go back to yours but it got lost in the suffle) where various topics could be addressed rather quickly and easily, David's was pretty good I thought, and from what I remember usadutch2001's was pretty cool looking I don't know people are lurkers by nature I think, only the alphas have the thick skin to withstand some of the heat that comes with this group sometimes :) That and to be honest most of the time what really gets this group going is very techie issues and ideas that I think that most of the users on this group have NO IDEA what you guys and gals are talking aboutI know it is over my head sometimes...ok most of the time. Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.co, --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every conversation. I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group. And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed, email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots of functions you will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media. But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others. I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setup must be. And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no participation. Should we start over and call vlogging something else like Vlogcasting? Now up my number with 1 again. :) Blips http://vlogassist.com http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format may come in handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature also... I want to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want to have to visit a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups (languages, content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...) I think that one space with divisions is better than multiple spaces... and it may be less intimidating for newbies... but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... hmmm anyway... those are my thoughts On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com leanbackvids@ wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this Yahoo Group. Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80 Michael Sullivan 50 Devlon 43 Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39 David Meade 36 Markus Sandy 35 Deirdre Straughan 34 Michael Verdi 27 Andy Carvin 27 Casey McKinnon 24 robert a/k/a r 23 Anne Walk 21 Harold Johnson 20 Josh Leo 19 Joshua Kinberg 18 Enric 17 David Howell 17 Jen Simmons 17 Stephanie Bryant 16 andrew michael baron 15 Andreas Haugstrup 13 B Yen 13 Bill Streeter 13 Susan 12 Gena 12 Heath 11 jonny goldstein 11 usadutch2001 10 Ted Tagami 9 Chuck Olsen 9 Paul Knight 9 Steve Garfield 8 Jan 8 LeanBackVids.com 8 Mike Hudack 8 WWWhatsup 7 Josh Wolf 7 Randolfe Wicker 7 Richard (Show) Hall 7 Stan Hirson, Sarah J... 6 Adam Quirk 6 Jay dedman 6 Mike Moon 6 missbhavens1969 6 Nathan Freitas 6 Ron Watson 6 Ryan Ozawa 6 xicastmedia 5 greendesertpro 5 Michael Meiser 5 Monique Danielle The point of all this? To validate my concerns... It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of the video blogging world. Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly, but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating members since last year. There must be a way to bridge the gap between all the other vloggers. Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On 5/9/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok just a warning... let's not start the what shall we call it conversation again... if we as a community want to use a forum instead of the list, a lot of changes need to happen and a lot of habits need to change... how would we make a group of thousands switch? For a while anyway, both would surely co-exist. But if such a forum system had an easy public RSS feed ... there's no reason the group of thousands couldnt subscribe to it ... the usage would naturally move over time to which ever turned out the be most used in actual practice. Such an RSS feed could also be used with any of the rss-email services to give a nearly identical feel to our current system. (with the exception of actual posting would have to be done via the web) -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I don't receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox nice and clean. -ac --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh. I think part of the issue is the volume of traffic in this list can be daunting. New folks become lurkers because they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the more brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great. If we could have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see everything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good: - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise) - Events and Meetups - Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware - Editing and Compression - Blogs and Hosting - RSS and Publication - Aggregators and Readers - Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!) - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you violate.) - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.) - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.) - General / Off Topic chit chat. - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging) And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database at the PHPbb.com. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I don't receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox nice and clean. -ac --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh. I think part of the issue is the volume of traffic in this list can be daunting. New folks become lurkers because they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the more brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great. If we could have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see everything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good: - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise) - Events and Meetups - Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware - Editing and Compression - Blogs and Hosting - RSS and Publication - Aggregators and Readers - Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!) - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you violate.) - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.) - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.) - General / Off Topic chit chat. - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging) And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
It seems to me that: 1) Those numbers are great! No bad news there.2) If anyone wants to start a forum, great! The more the better. Maybe it'll take off.. 3) It's all good news. Perhaps I'm just an optimist. >From the analysis there was some concern about reaching beginning/shy vloggers. That I understand. There are a lot of things you could do... I for one am still waiting for some entity to start publishing lotsa written tutorials (freevlog is brilliant but I want it in written form as well as videos). This is still a small community, enjoy the ride :) Peter On 5/9/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just messin with ya Matt...I plan on geovlogging a lot more of my videos...does vlogmap get found a lot by the people searching for things like nude vlog 'Naked cat videos etc cause I know that I get a lot of that kind of traffic... in addition to all the people searching for how to peel a mango and hitler's eagles nest... On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plug? HAHAHA!I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vloglisting on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about pluggingthe forums. I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an addedservice.The goal was to provide another connection point forinternational vloggers and those interested in video blogging.However, the reality is that VlogMap gets 80-90% non-vlogger traffic. Most people come from searching Google, yet they still seem to beconfused about what vlogging is.Many of the visitors are from outside the US.Many are visiting tofind videos.Most are not vloggers.That does provide a good opportunity for those listed to reap traffic.Andy Carvin has mappeda ton of videos and has probably seen a slight increase in traffic.Anyways, I'm not sure how to continue... it is hard to develop tools for the community (minority) yet focus on the viewers (majority).That being said, the future of VlogMap is in the community's hands.If users don't add vlogs/geovlogs then it will go stale.If usersdon't moderate the listings, it may get filled w/ junk. As for the forums and handbook, they may get pulled down since nobodyis using them.Participating would plug yourself.VlogMap operateson a $0 budget and makes $0.My only goal is to better the community and provide useful/fun tools for vloggers.Sorry that is seen as a plug.-Matt--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmapforums... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Yeah it also creates a feed for the most recent posts in and across all public forums/topics ... the 'uber-feed'.On 5/9/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database atthe PHPbb.com.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I don't receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox nice and clean. -ac --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh.I think part of the issue isthe volume of traffic in this list can be daunting.New folks become lurkers because they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the more brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great.If we could have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the communityexperience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see everything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to knoweverything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics wouldbe good: - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise) - Events and Meetups - Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware - Editing and Compression - Blogs and Hosting - RSS and Publication - Aggregators and Readers - Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!) - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rightsyou violate.) - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.) - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising viaVlogging.) - General / Off Topic chit chat. - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging)And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribeto the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow.http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear for non-vloggers. There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the group, but it does not have enough exposure. Search 'vlog', 'vlogs', 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up. start plug here VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and international media articles. Most of the visitors are visiting to watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging. I feel VlogMap has a responsibility to meet the needs of this majority, yet I'm not sure how to proceed if the community is not behind it. I would love to get the community's help, but it sounds like some are concerned about driving traffic to another site. Each forum on VlogMap does have an RSS feed, and there is an uber RSS feed for the site (including new vlogs and geovlogged videos). Here you go Josh and Markus... just in case you could find it. (sarcasm) http://community.vlogmap.org/forum -Matt --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that thought hit me too i'm sure blips will jump in on that topic too ;) Josh Leo wrote: but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... hmmm -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the group, but it does not have enough exposure. Search 'vlog', 'vlogs', 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up. start plug here VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and international media articles. Most of the visitors are visiting to watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging. Why don't you link to the Yahoo group then? :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
this is exactly what will not make something take off the go ahead do your own thing does not work when it is in reference to a community resource, there has to be mass adoption On 5/9/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) If anyone wants to start a forum, great! The more the better. Maybe it'll take off..-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Because I think the general discussion of the Yahoo Group is too much and the group is not very inviting new members or non-vloggers. It is my opinion that forums should be broken down into sub-topics so that users can pay attention to the things they are interested in (or understand). As for linking to Yahoo (and others), I'm hoping to build out a complete video blogging handbook. Any registered user can create a new pages, yet not a single user has tried. The amount of work it took to get the new site up combined by the lack of community support has taken its toll on my motivation. I have hopes of building many more tools/features, but we'll see. Again, I'm not sure how to gear the site toward the 80% non-vloggers yet satisfy the 20% of vloggers (who VlogMap relies on for content). -Matt --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the group, but it does not have enough exposure. Search 'vlog', 'vlogs', 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up. start plug here VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and international media articles. Most of the visitors are visiting to watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging. Why don't you link to the Yahoo group then? :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Exactly Bill I have it ready to go. Need to do a few tweaks to get it show up in the menu but that's it. There are a few diferent plugins I have choosen the one you can build the RSS feed yourself meaning choose your own topics and timeline. It is already build into the forum but is not activated yet, I think i will do that tonight so people can try it. blips http://vlogassist.com http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database at the PHPbb.com. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carvin acarvin@ wrote: as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I don't receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox nice and clean. -ac --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Yeah, I think I agree with Josh. I think part of the issue is the volume of traffic in this list can be daunting. New folks become lurkers because they cant possible catch/keep up :-P A forum where the more timid could find a specific area, and the more brave could just RSS subscribe to the whole thing, would be great. If we could have a forum with an overall RSS subscribe, the community experience wouldn't really change for the core members (they'd still see everything in one list) ... but those trying to get started might feel more willing to post to a related topic than to 2000 people who seem to know everything anyway. I always though a forum system with the following topics would be good: - FAQs, Tips, and Tutorials (moderated to remove noise) - Events and Meetups - Videoblogging in the news - Cameras and Hardware - Editing and Compression - Blogs and Hosting - RSS and Publication - Aggregators and Readers - Other Support / Technical Help - Content and Creativity (Share and discuss your ideas!) - Copyright and Legal Discussions (Your rights and the rights you violate.) - Social and Political Action (Issues that impact vloggers, or issues vloggers can impact.) - The Business of vlogging (Advertising and Monetising via Vlogging.) - General / Off Topic chit chat. - Forums Feedback: Issues with the forums (not vlogging) And again, I think it would have to have an option to subscribe to the entire forum (or subsets) via RSS. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I didn't even know what that was... adding a book, had no idea what that meant...plus I think peolpe see vlogmap as the mapping site that is it... adding tutorials, forums, etc seems out of the realm of vlog MAP... that is just my first perception... the launch was not as clear...didn't realize the user base etc On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I think the general discussion of the Yahoo Group is toomuch and the group is not very inviting new members or non-vloggers.It is my opinion that forums should be broken down into sub-topics so that users can pay attention to the things they are interested in (orunderstand).As for linking to Yahoo (and others), I'm hoping to build out acomplete video blogging handbook.Any registered user can create a new pages, yet not a single user has tried.The amount of work it took to get the new site up combined by the lackof community support has taken its toll on my motivation.I havehopes of building many more tools/features, but we'll see. Again, I'm not sure how to gear the site toward the 80% non-vloggersyet satisfy the 20% of vloggers (who VlogMap relies on for content).-Matt--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the group, but it does not have enough exposure.Search 'vlog', 'vlogs', 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up. start plug here VlogMap gets a shit load of traffic from search engines and international media articles.Most of the visitors are visiting to watch vlogs or find out more about vlogging. Why don't you link to the Yahoo group then? :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
i read this list (and sometimes participate) because it comes to my mailbox.i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and ask a question only to be flamed for not searching the group archives? i think that most members don't post for a couple of reasons. one is that the discussions aren't always conducive to new participation (inside stuff) or overly technical for beginners. newcomers are not privy to the unwritten protocols of the room and are often accused of spamming or are just ignored. another is that a huge percentage of the population doesn't participate in anything! they are the 'read-onlies'. i think that people don't want to try any other format because they feel a sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active posters. why would you want to change something that is working for you? and, yes, josh. it's true. if there was a forum to start up, it would only succeed if it was set up by the vlogging establishment. even then, folks are pretty entrenched in their habits. On 5/9/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the classic 80/20 rule, some may come to the site to join justto plug something and then you never hear from them again, some aredaunted by the tech know how, some may just enjoy the ranting of abunch of slightly off persons.:)But I know I would like a more type of forum thing and I do remember you plugging the forumsyou created, I think for some it may be that they don't want to haveto travel to different sites, once they are hear.I think some ofthe issue with the forum idea that you had, was who else was plugging it?Was there a link on freevlog, and vloggercon or even in thisgroup on the main page.I know that I would like something like a forum listing, (I meant togo back to yours but it got lost in the suffle) where various topics could be addressed rather quickly and easily, David's was pretty goodI thought, and from what I remember usadutch2001's was pretty coollookingI don't know people are lurkers by nature I think, only the alphas have the thick skin to withstand some of the heat that comes withthis group sometimes:)That and to be honest most of the timewhat really gets this group going is very techie issues and ideas that I think that most of the users on this group have NO IDEA whatyou guys and gals are talking aboutI know it is over my headsometimes...ok most of the time.Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.co,--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every conversation. I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group. And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed, email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots offunctions you will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media. But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others. I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setupmust be. And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no participation. Should we start over and call vlogging something else likeVlogcasting? Now up my number with 1 again. :) Blips http://vlogassist.com http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format maycome in handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature also... I want to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want tohave to visit a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups (languages, content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...) I think that one space with divisions is better than multiple spaces... and it may be less intimidating for newbies... but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... hmmm anyway... those are my thoughts On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com leanbackvids@ wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use ofthis Yahoo Group.Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80Michael Sullivan 50Devlon 43Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39David Meade 36Markus Sandy 35Deirdre Straughan 34Michael Verdi 27Andy Carvin 27Casey McKinnon 24robert a/k/a r 23Anne Walk 21Harold Johnson 20Josh Leo 19Joshua Kinberg 18Enric 17David Howell 17Jen Simmons 17Stephanie Bryant 16andrew michael baron 15Andreas Haugstrup
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:52:34 +0200, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and ask a question only to be flamed for not searching the group archives? Never? People have been asked to search the archives. This won't change with a webbased forum. People still won't search the archives and they will still be told to search the archives. i think that most members don't post for a couple of reasons. I'd like to make an open invitation to all lurkers to post about why they don't post to this group. That's more accurate than guessing. :o) i think that people don't want to try any other format because they feel a sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active posters. why would you want to change something that is working for you? A successfull move is a massive task (and it will most likely fail anyway, this topic comes up every 6 months). The value gained has to match the effort put in. That and if it ain't broke... like you point out. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where it is in the top 3 or 4 such as videoblogging also, most of the top search results will lead you here very quickly because of link love one obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to the external community on it's main pages no obvious badges, links , etc. on front page if it is so important for this group to be visible, why not point to it more directly??? i think vlogmap II looks fantastic, but i must admit I use it much less since the changes (i was a daily user) i'm not 100% sure why, but i think it was mainly just small changes to the feedburner stats page for me also, it seemed that the node101 sites got lost in the shuffle btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes on communities http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html LeanBackVids.com wrote: My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear for non-vloggers. There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the group, but it does not have enough exposure. Search 'vlog', 'vlogs', 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I had a hard time finding the maps at first...so many links so many features, i was overloaded i guessOn 5/9/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hmmm, you obviously left out the search words whereitis in the top 3 or 4such as videobloggingalso, most of the top search results will lead you here very quicklybecause of link loveone obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to the external community on it's main pagesno obviousbadges, links , etc.on front pageif it is so important for this group to be visible, why not point to itmore directly???i think vlogmap II looks fantastic, but i must admit I use it much less since the changes (i was a daily user)i'm not 100% sure why, buti think it was mainly just small changes tothe feedburner stats page for mealso, it seemed that thenode101 sites got lost in the shuffle btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes oncommunitieshttp://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html LeanBackVids.com wrote:My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear fornon-vloggers.There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the group, but it does not have enough exposure.Search 'vlog', 'vlogs','video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.--Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.orghttp://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that people don't want to try any other format because they feel a sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active posters. why would you want to change something that is working for you? A successfull move is a massive task (and it will most likely fail anyway, this topic comes up every 6 months). The value gained has to match the effort put in. That and if it ain't broke... like you point out. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Um...if it comes up every 6 months or so, I would say that something IS broke, and if this group, the one that is promoted on almost every vlog site or at the very least the ones that are considered the fathers/mothers of vlogging, shouldn't it grow with the group as well? Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I personally don't view/send these messages through email, I view it through my browser. So for me, this is like a message forum. It's not nicely formatted like a message base, but I view it several times a day, just like my other message bases. My point is, that the yahoo group allows people to view the messages in several different methods. Convienence for everyone. With that said, we could do so much more in a real message base. Posting pictures, posting links, visuals screenshots to help each other, just do so much more. A message forum would be wonderful. Now, as Josh pointed out, how do we migrate 1,000+ users? Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this Yahoo Group. Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80 Michael Sullivan 50 Devlon 43 Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39 David Meade 36 Markus Sandy 35 Deirdre Straughan 34 Michael Verdi 27 Andy Carvin 27 Casey McKinnon 24 robert a/k/a r 23 Anne Walk 21 Harold Johnson 20 Josh Leo 19 Joshua Kinberg 18 Enric 17 David Howell 17 Jen Simmons 17 Stephanie Bryant 16 andrew michael baron 15 Andreas Haugstrup 13 B Yen 13 Bill Streeter 13 Susan 12 Gena 12 Heath 11 jonny goldstein 11 usadutch2001 10 Ted Tagami 9 Chuck Olsen 9 Paul Knight 9 Steve Garfield 8 Jan 8 LeanBackVids.com 8 Mike Hudack 8 WWWhatsup 7 Josh Wolf 7 Randolfe Wicker 7 Richard (Show) Hall 7 Stan Hirson, Sarah J... 6 Adam Quirk 6 Jay dedman 6 Mike Moon 6 missbhavens1969 6 Nathan Freitas 6 Ron Watson 6 Ryan Ozawa 6 xicastmedia 5 greendesertpro 5 Michael Meiser 5 Monique Danielle The point of all this? To validate my concerns... It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of the video blogging world. Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly, but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating members since last year. There must be a way to bridge the gap between all the other vloggers. Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same. -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
ok just a warning... let's not start the "what shall we call it" conversation again... ROFL. If anybody has any interest, you must read http://www.geocities.com/bevsykes/Jan31.htm, which explains "juice and crackers," my philosophy of life, which I think is very well demonstrated in the "having the 'what shall we call it' conversation" again. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Response to each comment below... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where it is in the top 3 or 4 such as videoblogging That is a word that is probably much lower than vlog(s) and video blog(s). It is much more commone amongst the community members than it is to the average Web user. Also noote, video blogging does not show the Yahoo Group in Google. http://www.google.com/search?q=video%20blogging also, most of the top search results will lead you here very quickly because of link love one obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to the external community on it's main pages no obvious badges, links , etc. on front page if it is so important for this group to be visible, why not point to it more directly??? The external community links have been added to the bottom of the home page, exactly like the old site. The badges were removed many months ago due to the lollipop look. The links were not removed to horde traffic. I intended to build out detailed pages with screenshots and photos for the handbook. The launch came a month early and it was a scramble to organize everything. I apologize for the unintentional diss. http://community.vlogmap.org/ i think vlogmap II looks fantastic, but i must admit I use it much less since the changes (i was a daily user) i'm not 100% sure why, but i think it was mainly just small changes to the feedburner stats page for me I'm very sorry you are no longer a regular visitor. I'm surprise you have an issue with the FeedBurner stats since the only changes have been improvements. You can now see compare up to 10 vlogs of your choice and see each comparison (or an individual vlog) over various timeframes (24 hours to 1 year). Note, none of the old features were removed. http://community.vlogmap.org/feedburner also, it seemed that the node101 sites got lost in the shuffle Not sure what you mean? Node 101 was not part of the bottom home page links, but that was a mistake. I will add it now. btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes on communities http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html I'll watch... Thank you for your feedback! I've made a point to address every issue that has been presented (commented or emailed) to me. This is the quickest way to make the site better. Sometimes, I'm too close to the development to see these issues. -Matt http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Thrown out into the chaos and not properly received. Yep, that sums up the recent launch. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
i think you misunderstood matt i don't have an issue with the stats. there was a minor change in the display and sometimes that's all it takes to break a habit (it might have even been that a cookie got reset - doesn't matter - it changed the user experience) i know about the comparison. it's not a feature that interests me. again, i think the site looks great LeanBackVids.com wrote: I'm very sorry you are no longer a regular visitor. I'm surprise you have an issue with the FeedBurner stats since the only changes have been improvements. You can now see compare up to 10 vlogs of your choice and see each comparison (or an individual vlog) over various timeframes (24 hours to 1 year). Note, none of the old features were removed. Yahoo! Groups Links -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
no offense , but this is the silliest thing i've read yet this group grows, splits, morphs and changes so often it's ridiculous i don't know about you, but i'm in at least a dozen groups related to vlogging and each serves a different audience this group may not be everything to everybody at all times, but i still think of it as 'home' and a great place for people to start out if we think that this group should rise in the google search ranks, then we should do something about it it's easy, just vlog or blog about this group and that should do the trick (note how ro's videoblogging-universe rose rapidly to the top 3 some time back just because a few people put his thumbs in their sidebars - that was brilliant on his part) if you think there is a need for a forum, then join one of the existing ones and contribute to it. i recommend contributing to JD's learning center at ourmedia. i think that is one great resource. Heath wrote: Um...if it comes up every 6 months or so, I would say that something IS broke, and if this group, the one that is promoted on almost every vlog site or at the very least the ones that are considered the fathers/mothers of vlogging, shouldn't it grow with the group as well? Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I think the sheer number of posts per day makes it hard to keep up with the group. In my situation, I was just a subscriber and checked the group online. Then, I subscribed to receive the digest, which is hard to respond to an individual post. Now, I receive every post as an email. It's still overwhelming to look in your inbox and read 50 posts everyday. Dennis Poulette ymimexico.org/vlog From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill StreeterSent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap I don't think we need to mirgrate several thousand users--only the top 20 or so posters, and the rest will follow--if they're even paying attention. Just leave a sign on the front page and a few messages saying the conversation has moved and those that want to come along will. The moderator can also send out a message to those who have opted out of getting the emails. If you sign up and choose not to get the emails it's very easy to stay subscribed to the goup and forget about it. So I wouldn't guess that a large percentage of the "thousands" of subscribers are even paying attention. I've been a member of this group for over a year, but I didn't become active in it untill late last summer. I really didn't pay a whole lot of attention to what was going on here much prior to that for whatever reason. Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Moon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally don't view/send these messages through email, I view it through my browser. So for me, this is like a message forum. It's not nicely formatted like a message base, but I view it several times a day, just like my other message bases. My point is, that the yahoo group allows people to view the messages in several different methods. Convienence for everyone. With that said, we could do so much more in a real message base. Posting pictures, posting links, visuals screenshots to help each other, just do so much more. A message forum would be wonderful. Now, as Josh pointed out, how do we migrate 1,000+ users? Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com" leanbackvids@ wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use of this Yahoo Group. Here are the results...The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)...Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members).Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80 Michael Sullivan 50 Devlon 43 Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39 David Meade 36 Markus Sandy 35 Deirdre Straughan 34 Michael Verdi 27 Andy Carvin 27 Casey McKinnon 24 robert a/k/a r 23 Anne Walk 21 Harold Johnson 20 Josh Leo 19 Joshua Kinberg 18 Enric 17 David Howell 17 Jen Simmons 17 Stephanie Bryant 16 andrew michael baron 15 Andreas Haugstrup 13 B Yen 13 Bill Streeter 13 Susan 12 Gena 12 Heath 11 jonny goldstein 11 usadutch2001 10 Ted Tagami 9 Chuck Olsen 9 Paul Knight 9 Steve Garfield 8 Jan 8 LeanBackVids.com 8 Mike Hudack 8 WWWhatsup 7 Josh Wolf 7 Randolfe Wicker 7 Richard (Show) Hall 7 Stan Hirson, Sarah J... 6 Adam Quirk 6 Jay dedman 6 Mike Moon 6 missbhavens1969 6 Nathan Freitas 6 Ron Watson 6 Ryan Ozawa 6 xicastmedia 5 greendesertpro 5 Michael Meiser 5 Monique DanielleThe point of all this? To validate my concerns... It is my opinion that this group is very closed off from the rest of the video blogging world. Sure it is very tight-knit and friendly, but the group seems to have hovered around the 50-250 participating members since last year. There must be a way to bridge the gap between all the other vloggers. Note: If you don't think the results are an accurate representation, I can analyze more data, but I believe that the trend will be the same.-Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
i was referring to the loss of the nodes on the map originally there had been pin in ojai for the digital dojo when i checked the other day, it was no longer there i see that there is now a node101::ojai pin thanks! LeanBackVids.com wrote: also, it seemed that the node101 sites got lost in the shuffle Not sure what you mean? Node 101 was not part of the bottom home page links, but that was a mistake. I will add it now. btw, here's a great video that discusses the effects of UI changes on communities http://sbforum.blogspot.com/2006/04/rob-kaye-watch-video-tag-sbforum.html I'll watch... Thank you for your feedback! I've made a point to address every issue that has been presented (commented or emailed) to me. This is the quickest way to make the site better. Sometimes, I'm too close to the development to see these issues. -Matt http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense , but this is the silliest thingi've read yetoh well gee how could anyone take offense to that.It's not the silliest thing, and if you frequent this mailing list ... it cant be the silliest thing you've read. No offense, but just because you don't think something should change doesn't mean opinions to the contrary are silly or unfounded. It just means you dont wnat it to change. Thats perfectly fine, but Heaths got a point, it wouldn't be an issue so often if there werent at least some good reasons out there to put the idea in peoples head. There are clearly pros and cons to each model ... squashing discussion as if there aren't ... that is whats silly.This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to make it more accessible for those people who cant follow the topic well enough yet to be like you and join a dozen different groups to find the information. -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Thanks David for bring this back on track and restating the original question! Side note to Markus... I did not just add that pin. Maybe you did not see it earlier due to the clustering of markers. Anyways, I'm glad no data was lost - make sure to claim that one. Thanks again for the feedback. -Matt --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to make it more accessible for those people who cant follow the topic... SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
David Meade wrote: It's not the silliest thing, and if you frequent this mailing list ... it cant be the silliest thing you've read. i have read every message in this list for over a year so, i guess i do frequent it i did actually take a moment and consider before sending if it was indeed the silliest thing I hah ever read and, yes suggesting that 'this group is not growing with the rest of the group' was the silliest thing i had heard i apologize for not picking one of your statements if that's what bothering you (j/k) No offense, but just because you don't think something should change doesn't mean opinions to the contrary are silly or unfounded. It just means you dont wnat it to change. i did not say that i did not want change. in fact i even indicated several possible ways to change (vlog about the topic and contribute to existing resources. going back to the original point however, i think that this group is very dyanamic and there is no more of a gap between us than one would expect from any group. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and, yes suggesting that 'this group is not growing with the rest of the group' was the silliest thing i had heard I'll avoid the temptation to start quoting obvious threads you've overlooked or blacked out of your memory. :-P i apologize for not picking one of your statements if that's what bothering you (j/k) Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users. That may not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton is the current format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active posters list. Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others in this thread are simply asking would we see more participation from newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present this FLOOD of information in another way. How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read.Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to become active. So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is going to do it) - Dave-- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:14:40 +0200, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users. That may not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton is the current format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active posters list. a) It's not old standards who form the majority of the top 50 over the past month. [*] b) It only takes 6 e-mails to get on the famous top 50 list of internet fame. Whoopie. c) Even if it was, who cares? Exactly what would moving to a different format change? If people want to be heard they should post. There's no need to ask for permission, just post. Or should there be created rules along the lines of If you've been on the list for more than 18 months you may only post twice per week? [*] A quick skim tells me that only 6 of the people on the top 50 list for last month have been members of the group for 18 months (nov. 2004). (Jay, Me, Steve Garfield, Deirdré, Josh Kinberg, Andrew Baron). That's not a lot if you ask me. If you sort the member list by date joined you'll see all sorts of really awesome people who are no longer posting (like Sean Gillian and Lisa Harper). -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his feelings. if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman geek, after all). i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across that way to you david. silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but i will try to be more careful with others in the future. for the record, you can generally tell when I'm being harsh when I punctuate my sentences with the words "dumb asshole" :) David Meade wrote: Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users. That may not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton" "is the current format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active posters list". Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others in this thread are simply asking "would we see more participation from newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present this FLOOD of information in another way". How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read. Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to become active. So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is going to do it) -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
sigh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) It's not old standards who form the majority of the top 50 over thepast month. [*][*] A quick skim tells me that only 6 of the people on the top 50 list for last month have been members of the group for 18 months (nov. 2004). (Jay, Me, Steve Garfield, Deirdré, Josh Kinberg, Andrew Baron). That's not a lot if you ask me. If you sort the member list by date joined you'll see all sorts of really awesome people who are no longer posting (like Sean Gillian and Lisa Harper). You have a fairly restrictive view of 'old standards' ... b) It only takes 6 e-mails to get on the famous top 50 list of internetfame. Whoopie. ok ... only 6 ... and yet still it all very well known names. Adjust your definition of old standards to people who have been active for an entire year ... most of those names will be on it. c) Even if it was, who cares? Exactly what would moving to a different format change? Thats a very good question. one we are trying to discuss. I dont see why people are insulting others. If people want to be heard they should post. There's noneed to ask for permission, just post. And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick. So ... we're left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ... would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment. Or should there be created rulesalong the lines of If you've been on the list for more than 18 months you may only post twice per week? ok ... so far off the mark I'm not sure where to start with this. The concern is NOT that old standards are posting to much, but rather that newbies may feel too overwhelmed to join in as well. I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas. - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
You should try a threaded mail reader such as Thunderbird. Then you can ignore the subjects that look boring. Dennis Poulette wrote: I think the sheer number of posts per day makes it hard to keep up with the group. In my situation, I was just a subscriber and checked the group online. Then, I subscribed to receive the digest, which is hard to respond to an individual post. Now, I receive every post as an email. It's still overwhelming to look in your inbox and read 50 posts everyday. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
David Meade wrote: sigh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people want to be heard they should post. There's no need to ask for permission, just post. And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick. So ... we're left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ... would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment. Seems like rather a disruptive way to find out, no? So we tear down this group, start a forum, shift everyone over, and then check to see if we have more posters? If we have fewer, should we move back here? SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I'm not making a suggestion for change ... I'm asking about impact of it.On 5/9/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Meade wrote: sigh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people want to be heard they should post. There's no need to ask for permission, just post. And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick. So ... we're left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ... would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment. Seems like rather a disruptive way to find out, no? So we tear down this group, start a forum, shift everyone over, and then check to see if we have more posters? If we have fewer, should we move back here? SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
ok maybe I'm just in a bad mood and reading between the lines when I shouldn't be ... sorry. However ... This topic has come up several times. And as Heath points out, that wouldn't be the case if it were in fact the silliest idea ever presented here ... clearly there are some pros to the idea. And yet, each time it has come up, its been so immediately scoffed at, flamed, and scolded *by the heavy contributors of this list* ... that the real benefits to the lurkers never really gets a chance at honest discussion ... an irony that really ticks me off. *huff*huff*huff* .. ok I'm gonna go take my 'meds' now. - DaveOn 5/9/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his feelings. if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman geek, after all). i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across that way to you david. silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but i will try to be more careful with others in the future. for the record, you can generally tell when I'm being harsh when I punctuate my sentences with the words dumb asshole :) David Meade wrote: Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users. That may not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton is the current format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active posters list. Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others in this thread are simply asking would we see more participation from newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present this FLOOD of information in another way. How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read. Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to become active. So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is going to do it) -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.orghttp://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I'm not convinced that there is a problem besides the near impossibility of searching these Yahoo archives. I don't find the existence of the ubiquitous power-law distribution of post activity to be cause for alarm. David Meade wrote: I'm not making a suggestion for change ... I'm asking about impact of it. On 5/9/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Meade wrote: sigh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people want to be heard they should post. There's no need to ask for permission, just post. And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick. So ... we're left with the question that all this hostility is trying to dance around: Given the fact that now nobody needs PERMISSION to post ... would they feel more WELCOME to do so in a forum like environment. Seems like rather a disruptive way to find out, no? So we tear down this group, start a forum, shift everyone over, and then check to see if we have more posters? If we have fewer, should we move back here? SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I'm not sure what we can do as a larger community, but as the only developer of VlogMap, my mind is centric to the site... I'm not trying to compete with other sites, but I do feel a responsibility to those who visit VlogMap. Over the past year, I've analyzed where visitors come from and what paths they take through the site. Most are not vloggers and many have very little knowledge of what we are doing. If we can welcome them and educate them on the basics, we may be rewarded with more vloggers. Combine the issue of non-vloggers, those who are technically challenged, and people who are not comfortable with English, and it becomes hard to build a site that caters to each. My intention for building forums and a handbook was to bridge the gap between tech- and non-tech vloggers, as well as vloggers and non-vloggers. I see forums has something that is mainly used by existing vloggers (searched for info by all) and the handbook as a way for everyone to teach/learn more. There is indeed a problem with repeat questions and the inability to find answers here on the Yahoo Group. It is my opinion that this group is very powerful, yet very small. We cannont expect everyone to come join this group and keep up on the myriad of discussions. There aren't even 1,000 vlogs mapped yet (many are not part of this group), BUT there is a large influx of viewers on VlogMap. It would be nice to get help in educating them. I simply do not have ability to manage all this, but they are here now. The solution does not have to be VlogMap-based, but I'm not sure where to begin the education process. -Matt -- http://vlogmap.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I totally agree with your assessment of the functionality of Yahoo Groups. I've been using it since before it was Yahoo groups and Yahoo has done little to improve it. Most of the improvements to the system have been cosmetic. I much prefer what Google has done with their groups. I started a PHPbb forum at Garagepunk.com about 5 years ago with a friend of mine. We currently have 3,214 members (larger than this list I think) and the forum structure works out much better for starting and sustaining conversations IMHO. People can browse the topics they are interested in and connect more easily with like minded individuals. But I'm sure you all know this already. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Writing this before I read them all and before I forget, so I apologize in advance if it has already been said. I have been a Yahoo list member (that moniker ought to date me well) for about 10 years now, and it has always struck me how inadequate the lists are at developing a community. Lists are great for announcements, but horrible for conversations. There is no permanence to these lists; every conversation is a flash in the pan. How many times does the same, or similar question get asked? Can you research a topic on this list? What if you come in late, as I did? Surf through thousands of posts most of which are of no interest to me? This was the problem with the discdog lists on Yahoo. the list functioned perfectly for announcements but was sorely lacking in terms of building a community. The lack of permanence, I believe, is the big shortcoming of these lists in developing a community. First off there is the difficulty of finding information that is of interest to you; drilling down into the thousands of messages with different subjects is near impossible. Then there is the fact that people can say anything they want and it is gone, never to be seen again. This allows people to really act shitty towards eachother. 2 years ago i created http://k9disc.com (orignially a phpBB) as an alternative to the lists. It was slow going at first, as none of the discdogging heavy hitters hopped on the band wagon, and a bunch still are not members, but it really picked up steam, and we now have 227 or so members and nearly 8000 posts. It has been an invaluable resource for new discdog players across the world. Things are divided up into topics, and while there are a lot of posts, at least you have a topic that you can start your drilling in. I am all for a bridging the gap with a good forum set up instead of this list. I am sure I would participate more. I would also be able to learn so much more. Anybody know how to run scoop? Great program for communities, and it totally could handle 1000 members. Later, Ron SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Maybe this list is what it is and that's fine. There are other places and lists to handle other things.Ryanne and I have worked really hard to make Freevlog easy and cover most every newbie question. When we did our first big launch a year ago we had a message board but nobody used it (we got about 2 or 3 posts total). Most people just emailed us and what we found was that almost all of those questions could be handled by making the tutorials better. Now we probably average about 1 help email a day. Sometimes we get questions in another language and one of our translators takes it. All in all I'd say that most of the really basic stuff is covered. We even have text versions of the main tutorials and of course you can get it all in handy book form :) What I think is really great about this list is that we can talk about all kinds of stuff. And yes, some of it is very technical but that's a good thing. When I first joined the list, a couple of people were going on and on about something called RSS. Those emails just looked like blah blah blah to me at first. Then, once Me-TV (Mefeedia) and ANT (FireAnt) came out and I could see what you could use RSS for it started to make sense. I guess the point is this: early on I was a newbie who said why don't we make this a message board so we can find stuff better? and that didn't happen so I (and others) went out and addressed that in ohter ways. Now I think this list does the job that it does just fine. Maybe I should make a tutorial on how to subscribe and read this list.1. Use something threaded like Gmail2. Set up a rule/filter so it doesn't all show up in your inbox3. Ignore threads you're not interested in 4. Flag the ones you're watching5. Mark everything that's dropped out of view as read-Verdi SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas. Life is too short for ad hominem arguments. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I've actually met several lurkers on this list in person (you might be surprised who is lurking here). Often they are happy to sit back and watch the conversation as it happens -- though there is certainly a lot of conversation to take in on this list as it can be high-flow at times. Make no mistake about it -- there is great information that passes through here, from new ideas and new trends, technical innovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggers exploring new possibilities. -Josh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas. Life is too short for ad hominem arguments. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I'm not giving up that easy, here my forum scope; I think this Yahoo videoblogging discussion-group needs to stay, no need for everyone to transfer to a forum. However to have access to more static information like video-hosting, editing software, aggregators, search engines and the like it would be better of in a forum. The whole reason http://vlogassist.com was build (April 2006) is to fill this gap. Searching is more effective and posts are more grouped together per subject. At the moment there are 244 articles. I do not have to go over all the points already mentioned by other members I guess. Vlogassist was build with PHPBB as some people already told you in previous posts. I run another forum with 524 member, a very specific forum for Dutch-American couples so not really new to this kind of setup. ( http://usadutch.com/forum ) Just installing a forum is not the way to start that's why mods are added, to name a few; 1. Embedded video (windows media and quicktime..more if needed.) 2. A lexicon that highlights words automatically and produces links to the lexicon. 3. RSS feed public reading (all posts included in one stream). 4. A members build it yourself RSS feed per forum with volume definition and sorted on forum or date and time. 5. Email status mail like Yahoo but per forum object configurable. 6. Today/Yesterday indicators for each post. 7. Choose your own forum color. 8. Website-list for members (This is different then a member-list) And these are just the highlights but specially selected for a vloggerforum. Please take a look and as an incentive for new members I will give away 5 domain names and later on 5 free 1 year website hosting, the rules are already published on May 3rd the only thing in return is a FREE membership for you! Please join and contribute, become a member, moderator or poster, whatever makes vlogging more fun. (Did you know Andreas is a member as well as Chuck Olson , JoshLeo, Devlon, Paulreyno, Maddman just to name a few. They must have seen some value in this forum I think.) And yes there is a link-button to vlogmap.org and more links will be added. Actually there are about 100 links throughout the whole forum. Blips http://vlogassist.com the videoblogging resource http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas. Life is too short for ad hominem arguments. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area (newsgroups), and the research is freely available. Check it out for yourself, run the numbers, and draw your own conclusions: http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ Personally, I find this group to be a tremendous asset to the videoblogging community as a whole. People lurk. People post. People flame. It's all normal. Where we fall in the categorization of a group, well, you decide. I post very rarely, and mostly in regard to technical issues that nobody else seems to be chiming in on. It doesn't mean I'm not an active member, I've just found my particular role here (which may change at any time). -- joshpaul SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
Well I was going to reply to Markus, but David kinda beat me to the punch..Just to clairfy, I was not suggesting that the group has not grown with the membership, which is what I think you thought I meant (man that just gave me a headache writing that).. Anywho, sometimes I am writing from work and I get in a hurry because big brother is always watching at work, so in my head something makes perfect sense, but not always so once it is written out. In relation to what was written and had been written, I was simply suggesting that maybe that this group can be overwhelming to a new person(I think it can, I know I get overwhelmed, I am not a super tech I know enough to be dangerous) and maybe as the vlogging universe grows that perhaps this group should grow in a different way. I am sure this group has grown and morphed in many, many ways I am not aware of. But if something does come up over and over... Anyway, I think I am going to check out vloggassit again and give it a closer look, information overload never hurt anyone right? As to me being a Batman Geek and silly.., prick me, do I not bleed, hurt me do I not cry, tell me Marvel is better than DC do I not come to your house in the middle of the night andum..forget that last part. Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok maybe I'm just in a bad mood and reading between the lines when I shouldn't be ... sorry. However ... This topic has come up several times. And as Heath points out, that wouldn't be the case if it were in fact the silliest idea ever presented here ... clearly there are some pros to the idea. And yet, each time it has come up, its been so immediately scoffed at, flamed, and scolded *by the heavy contributors of this list* ... that the real benefits to the lurkers never really gets a chance at honest discussion ... an irony that really ticks me off. *huff*huff*huff* .. ok I'm gonna go take my 'meds' now. - Dave On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his feelings. if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman geek, after all). i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across that way to you david. silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but i will try to be more careful with others in the future. for the record, you can generally tell when I'm being harsh when I punctuate my sentences with the words dumb asshole :) David Meade wrote: Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who was only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people, its the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users. That may not be a problem, it's simply raised the quesiton is the current format of the group contributing to the fact that there arent more new names in active posters list. Theres no reason to insult just because you dont see a problem with the fact that the same people are contributing to the list ... some others in this thread are simply asking would we see more participation from newer users and expand our network of friends if we were to present this FLOOD of information in another way. How can simply having that discussion warrant you ranking someones opinion on it as the silliest thing you've ever read. Vlogging about the yahoo group isn't likely to inspire lurkers to become active. So what would? (I doubt them seeing people attack perfectly reasonable discussion as 'the silliest thing' ever read is going to do it) -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Fireantw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52. sig=9OOEc0FndaSrZhcGP9B0FA Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Individualw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=5 2.sig=95kPiyX0utggsk9QwKxV-w Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Usew1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig= mOj_Rib6MbsFKGpPQ8b4Vg Explainshttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Explainsw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52 .sig=2nX88YAu-OvryCSd54cZHQ -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On 5/9/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make no mistake about it -- there is great information thatpasses through here, from new ideas and new trends, technicalinnovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggersexploring new possibilities. But, again thats not the issue. And I'm not making any such mistake, myself ... as I said earlier: This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to make it more accessible for those people who cant follow the topic well enough yet to be like you and join a dozen different groups to find the information. If the answer is No, its no. If the answer is Yes its yes. But saying this list has great ideas in it already doesnt address the issue. The question wasnt how can we get better information out there it was how can we get information out there better. Anyway ... this topic is so all over the map now, I doubt this thread can really discuss it fairly ... no matter we'll do the same run around again in six months. :-P - Dave-- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
There is a piece of software for phpBB that allows a user to insert the posts from a Yahoo group, like this, into your phpBB DB. I was going to use it for k9discussion, but I was afraid that I would have problems with the list owners. The discdog world is quite...interesting... let's say. We are a dysfunctional, but largely happy community. We had 5 guys going through 10,000 or so messages before I pulled the plug. That is a way that you could grab all of the info from this list and populate a forum with good information from here.Just thought I would share that. I can find out what the app is called that does that, if you want. Ron WatsonPawsitive Vybe Canines12 E Bridge St Suite GRockford, MI 49341[EMAIL PROTECTED]301.524.6670http://pawsitivevybe.comhttp://k9disc.comhttp://k9disc.blip.tv On May 9, 2006, at 9:16 PM, David Meade wrote: On 5/9/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make no mistake about it -- there is great information thatpasses through here, from new ideas and new trends, technicalinnovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggersexploring new possibilities. But, again thats not the issue. And I'm not making any such mistake, myself ... as I said earlier: "This is clearly a great group, and has great information for those just starting. No body is saying otherwise. The simple question was essentially 'is there a better way for this group to present that information to make it more accessible "for those people who cant follow the topic well enough yet to be like you and join a dozen different groups to find the information." If the answer is No, its no. If the answer is Yes its yes. But saying "this list has great ideas in it already" doesnt address the issue. The question wasnt "how can we get better information out there" it was "how can we get information out there better". Anyway ... this topic is so all over the map now, I doubt this thread can really discuss it fairly ... no matter we'll do the same run around again in six months. :-P - Dave-- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
On 5/9/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should make a tutorial on how to subscribe and read this list.1. Use something threaded like Gmail2. Set up a rule/filter so it doesn't all show up in your inbox3. Ignore threads you're not interested in 4. Flag the ones you're watching5. Mark everything that's dropped out of view as read That's not a bad idea. Gmail (or similar reader) is approximately 1.7billion times better than the yahoo groups page, and its 'search mail' feature makes searches much easier. (If you do do something like that, be sure to mention Gmail Lables :-) -- http://www.DavidMeade.comfeed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
I ran a query for groups that contain videoblog and ended up with zero matches. What query do you use?On 5/9/06, Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area (newsgroups), and the research is freely available. Check it out for yourself, run the numbers, and draw your own conclusions: http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ Personally, I find this group to be a tremendous asset to the videoblogging community as a whole. People lurk. People post. People flame. It's all normal. Where we fall in the categorization of a group, well, you decide. I post very rarely, and mostly in regard to technical issues that nobody else seems to be chiming in on. It doesn't mean I'm not an active member, I've just found my particular role here (which may change at any time). -- joshpaul SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiFounding Partner Universus Networks, LLCU N I V E R S U S . N E TVideo Bloggers Podcasting Vloggercon.com - San FranciscoJune 10th and 11th, 2006 SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
