[videoblogging] Re: Video Ipod Defective anyone else having problems
From your description of problem I cant really guess what part of your ipod is malfunctioning, but its certainly not supposed to do that. I have heard that Apple may have relaxed their returns policy somewhat for the new ipods, they dont want to create bad publicity by being nasty with the returns policy, and over here in the UK some ipod Nano screen problems got a lot of bad press recently. Its always possible that there are some inherent design flaws in any product, time will tell if there are above average unreliability issues with any aspect of the new ipods. Theres no inhrent reason why adding video fucntionality to the ipod should have decreased reliability, unless they made a mistake in the design somewhere. If you were happy with the video ipod before the fault developed, I would sek to get a replacement and would not expect to pay any silly charges. Do you ahve an apple store near you or did ou get it mail order or from another retailer? Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just bought one of the new video ipods worked great for a couple of days and screen just started going white I reset worked for awhile same problem came. I got it to finally come on again attempted to reistall software computer went through proccess of doing so ipod lied there in total blackness. Finished reinstall and back to a total white screen. I think this whole video Ipod thing is real cool and there may be some potential with the whole vlogging community at $300-400 bucks is main stream public going to watch video on these video Ipods. When mine worked I thought it was pretty cool I am still under the 14 day return time so i can get my money back minus 10%stocking fee which is BS. I am ranting just checking if got a lemon or apple created another newton or simlar flash in the pan product. I love my Macs. thankls for any feed back. Jay Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.superioreducationaltelevision.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Ipod Defective anyone else having problems
Someone commented on my blog that they had weird white-screen crashes ... I've had one white-screen moment but it resolved quickly enough that I discounted it. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com On 10/30/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >From your description of problem I cant really guess what part of youripod is malfunctioning, but its certainly not supposed to do that. Ihave heard that Apple may have relaxed their returns policy somewhatfor the new ipods, they dont want to create bad publicity by being nasty with the returns policy, and over here in the UK some ipod Nanoscreen problems got a lot of bad press recently.Its always possible that there are some inherent design flaws in anyproduct, time will tell if there are above average unreliability issues with any aspect of the new ipods.Theres no inhrent reason why adding video fucntionality to the ipodshould have decreased reliability, unless they made a mistake in thedesign somewhere.If you were happy with the video ipod before the fault developed, I would sek to get a replacement and would not expect to pay any sillycharges. Do you ahve an apple store near you or did ou get it mailorder or from another retailer?Steve of Elbows--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just bought one of the new video ipods worked great for a couple ofdays and screen just started going white I reset worked for awhile same problem came.I got it to finally come on again attempted to reistall software computer went throughproccess of doing so ipod lied there in total blackness.Finished reinstall and back to atotal white screen. I think this whole video Ipod thing is real cool and there may besome potential with the whole vlogging community at $300-400 bucks is main stream publicgoing to watch video on these video Ipods.When mine worked I thought it was pretty cool I am still under the 14 day return time so i can get my money back minus 10%stocking feewhich is BS. I am ranting just checking if got a lemon or apple created anothernewton or simlar flash in the pan product.I love my Macs.thankls for any feed back. Jay Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.superioreducationaltelevision.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.DavidMeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: video iPod, H.264 and more
Wahey, nice one :) Im glad it was useful info. The quicktime 7.0.3 ipod export option is certainly much easier, Im sure the fact the main baseline settings are so obscure contributed to apple going with a completely seperate export option. The advantage of using the normal h264 export and then unticking main and ticking baseline, would be if people want more control over other settings, the ipod export is optionless. bitrate, keyframe, lower framerate, and wanting to save as a .mov rather than .m4v are reasons people might want to go down this route. The whol reason this baseline issue exists is because they havent included mainline profile support in the ipod. baseline lacks a few h264 features, and takes less power to decode. The sony PSP can do main profile as well as baseline, so technically better than ipod at present in this respect. Going for baseline rather than main probably saves some battery power on the ipod too, but this may be negligible in practise, Ive no way to know. Theres probably a seperate decoder chip for video in the new ipod that only supports baseline anyway, just a guess. Theres a similar issue with the audio too I believe. AAC-LC is supported on the ipod. Theres another kind of AAC but I dont know much about it, HC (High Compression) or something. Probably a similar story, HC version is better but more demanding to decode, possibly higher license fees. Luckily I dont think Quicktime has AAC-HC anyway so its hard for someone to get this wrong, unlike the main/baseline issue. I have to wait some more days before I can get a video ipod in th UK apparently, so Im very greatful for your review and confirmation of the ipods inability to play main profile h264 files. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted a review of my video iPod in which Steve of Elbows figures prominently. :~) http://www.newmediamusings.com/blog/2005/10/lovin_my_video_.html Also has some answers to Steve's conjecture about H.264 settings. jd lasica ourmedia Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: VIDEO IPOD!!!!!
As I said previously, yes it supports many other mpeg4 and h264 files, you do have much more choice than just the default ipod export option in quicktime 7.0.3. However it does not play absolutely all other flavours of h264 and mpeg4, theres several ways to make a file that wont work. Theres plenty of ways to make files that do work. And yeah all the bitrates mentioned are the devices maximum, nothing to stop you using much lower bitrates. I am indeed hoping that most of my technical waffle about ipod video over the last 24 hours or so, will not be needed. I want it to be simple. Most peoples mpeg4 stuff should be compatible, but unless we find someone whose got their hands on an actual new ipod and can test, I couldnt bet my life on it. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now believe this is what is referred to in the biz as QuickTime export for Dummys. According to the tutorial foot note it plays all other flavors of H.264 AND mpeg 4 including much lower bit rates which will let you put over 1000 hours of video on a 60 GB iPod video. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Also in related news: Quicktime 7.0.3 includes a new export option which makes ipod videos. Under The export option there is now a new item 'Movie to iPod (320x240)' If you select that option, it gives you no other configurable options that I can see, so no bitrate to set, no framerate, no res, etc. It appears to create 320x240 files in h264 at 768kbps, using the same framerate as the source movie. Under the surfac its likely using the same h264 compression as quicktime 7's always had, so its just as slow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VIDEO IPOD!!!!!
What you seek is a HACK. BUT it may very well be that the video playback requires different hardware inside as well. Time will tell. i would sell the iPod Photo or color iPod for $199 or $299 to a non- video interested person (according to size) and be happy to have video for $100 more. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:21 PM, uwriteto wrote: In my limited 5 minute research on this, it appears that the answer is no, the older color iPods do not play video, and may never play video, which annoys me. --Yves On 10/12/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On another note. I read in the early reports that the new iPods simply have the same video capability that older iPods have but are disabled. I ussume a firmware update might activate this functionality? Can anyone confirm this? I wonder which of the older models can do this... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Josh Leo wrote: is anyone else scared and excited at the same time here? It's much more likely to be a video playback device to play video on your television than a video iPod. Master Steve would be softening the waters about a video iPod were it coming rather than continuing to tell everyone there won't be one (as recently as a couple weeks ago), IMHO. Keep in mind, this is the third video iPod announcement event that's come up in the last couple of months. I just don't buy it. Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy Technologist ClintSharp.comContact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
It's mine... Just kidding. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, André Sala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm... from macromors.com: Meanwhile, one unconfirmed blog post reports that a popular video blog has been asked by Apple to be used during Apple's presentation tomorrow.. anyone here feel like spoiling their surprise? On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:19 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: In recent weeks Think Secret has been deluged with conflicting information from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event, the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. While reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be delivered until next week. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html -Matt --- http://www.leanbackvids.com http://www.vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -- -- ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM - --- ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
It would be completely within his character to deny that they are working on something like this and then do it. It's happened many times in the past. If you know Steve Jobs you know this to be true. He said that Apple would never produce a low end mac and they made the Mini, they said for years that Intel was shit, now they're swithcing to Intel, there are many other examples. The fact is Apple is very secretive and will often lie to throw people off the trail of what they are planning to do. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do I feel like this is like waiting for The Great Pumpkin. I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. Didn't Jobs say that there wasn't going to be a video iPod? Not that CEO don't lie but you never know. He might have been telling the truth. Then again, he might need an announcement to take off some of the heat from unhappy customers those delicate broken nanos. See you out in the patch, bring your blankie... Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ** --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recent weeks Think Secret has been deluged with conflicting information from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event, the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. While reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be delivered until next week. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html -Matt --- http://www.leanbackvids.com http://www.vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Who would have thought there'd be so many comedians in the vlogosphere. Maybe I'm not subscribing to the right feeds... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
I know that Apple has been in contact with Tiki Bar TV, but I don't know anything about it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mat Wall-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Taylor..everyone here is great...just think that Rocketboom has a nicely packaged commercially viable 'product' with a good length, a good download size, that follows the 'theory of minimum innovation'- this is what what I mean by reliable -- as well as that the program has been running for a substantial period daily without a major shift in format...and there subscription rate was (at least when last reported) pretty impressive. I don't want more laughs and less lengthbut apple probably will! In fact chances are they'll want mostly eye candy and RB as Andrew has intimated are probably still too left of field/engaged for them. I still recall that great post where Amanda came upon a family that had allegedly been mistreated by police - Apple can't rotoscope that! I've probably offended RB as well now...sorry to all... On 12/10/05 7:55 PM, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot. I think my track record is pretty good. Is less than daily not regular nor reliable? I've posted every week since startup and more than once a week usually. Not flashy enough for you Mat? Or too long? Or what? ; ^ ) You want more laughs less length? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Maybe its: http://drinkingwithbob.blogspot.com/ -Josh On 10/12/05, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who would have thought there'd be so many comedians in the vlogosphere. Maybe I'm not subscribing to the right feeds... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Can I sit quietly and let such delusions continue without saying something? Probably not. Its one thing for you to consider yourself a contender, its quite another to moan at other people for not considering your output to be a contender to be used by Apple at this stage. Mats comments were totally fair in the context which they were said. We arent judging which videoblogs are 'best' here, only considering which are most likely to be sought-after to be part of a launch. Mats comments about regular output and large subscriber base of Rocketboom are factors which are likely relevant, not to mentioned that rocketboom is often mentioned by the media. Anyway I dout apple would want to use a feed that moans about iTunes not picking up certain posts, when the technical problem that caused that issue has nothing whatsoever to do with itunes, but rather your feed which is outside their control. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot. I think my track record is pretty good. Is less than daily not regular nor reliable? I've posted every week since startup and more than once a week usually. Not flashy enough for you Mat? Or too long? Or what? ; ^ ) You want more laughs less length? -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:39 PM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote: Given the videoblog landscape I'd have thought RB would be the safest option for Apple. No-one else does work as regularly and reliably produced and I imagine your subscriptions would probably back that up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
My god you've got it, Janet jacksons nipple is going to do the launch, yay! Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: If Apple were going to show off some content to tease for a video product offering, don't you think it would more likely be U2, Madonna, or someone else who has performed at a Super Bowl Half-Time Show? -Josh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
At 15:09 + 12/10/05, Steve Watkins wrote: My god you've got it, Janet jacksons nipple is going to do the launch, yay! In fact, that's what they're announcing, the new Apple iNipple. Small enough to hold in your hand, sleek enough to feel sexy, sexy enough to flaunt, comes in a comfortable to hold malleable textured outer skin and all presented in a media stunt to revive the, now fairly old by industry standards, product's career. The Apple iNipple. 1000 winks in your pocket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Why would they show Bingo? That's the worst spectator sport ever! I kid. I kid. New news: I just read on think secret that it's an iPod with video playback capabilities (probably like the photo ipods do with slideshows output to televisions) not THE video iPod which will come out next year which will have a redesigned case and a wide screen. Who knows. I guess we'll find out soon enough. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: If Apple were going to show off some content to tease for a video product offering, don't you think it would more likely be U2, Madonna, or someone else who has performed at a Super Bowl Half-Time Show? -Josh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -- -- ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM - --- ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
The BBC are joining in with the speculation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4334586.stm Silly question: Is there somewhere on the web that is'broadcasting' this event live, or not? How long in terms of hours till this is supposed to happen? Cheers Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
You mean like this? http://live.macobserver.com/article/2005/10/specialevent_keynote.shtm l Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC are joining in with the speculation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4334586.stm Silly question: Is there somewhere on the web that is'broadcasting' this event live, or not? How long in terms of hours till this is supposed to happen? Cheers Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Cheers. Unfortunately that site now says '[12:49 PM] As it turns out, no live updating will be permitted during the event. We will have a wrap-up to post as soon as the event is over. Stay tuned, and we'll keep you posted here as to when that will be.' Man Im no fan of Apples control-freakery, thats for sure. I suppose there are sensible reasons why they dont want the press to report back to the outside world until the event is over, I guess they dont want everyone rushing to report back to base/publish to the web during the actual conference as it will distract people, but does anybody know what time the event is scheduled to end? If my time calculations are correct the event has been going on for half an hour now? Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like this? http://live.macobserver.com/article/2005/10/specialevent_keynote.shtm l Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC are joining in with the speculation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4334586.stm Silly question: Is there somewhere on the web that is'broadcasting' this event live, or not? How long in terms of hours till this is supposed to happen? Cheers Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
According to http://engadget.com/entry/1234000207062697/ New iPod announced! The new iPod, as speculated, features video capabilities and the wider display, but it's still a music-first device. Chris Nolan.ca http://ChrisNolan.ca/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Steve Watkins wrote: The BBC are joining in with the speculation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4334586.stm Silly question: Is there somewhere on the web that is 'broadcasting' this event live, or not? Broadcasting!? No... Steve Jobs was at Freevlog this morning, expect a blogspot site soon with a Feedburner feed with videos of the event. Just subscribe to it in iFireANT... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Acording to Engaget the reason for the live black out is because the theater is in a dead cel zone, by Apples design no doubt. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Watkins wrote: The BBC are joining in with the speculation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4334586.stm Silly question: Is there somewhere on the web that is 'broadcasting' this event live, or not? Broadcasting!? No... Steve Jobs was at Freevlog this morning, expect a blogspot site soon with a Feedburner feed with videos of the event. Just subscribe to it in iFireANT... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Starfire wrote: It's true! According to Engadget we now have a video iPod!!! Please deliver one to Phil Torrone at Make Magazine, and quick! Yup, it's landed. Video iPod, iTunes 6, some new media center software for watching videos and listening to music on an iMac from five feet. Yours, Mike Co-founder, blip.tv http://www.pokkari.com/blog/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Do a search in iTunes for the name of your site. If you're not listed click the add podcast link in iTunes. If you aren't an iTunes user you're shit outta luck, or use a freinds machine. On another note. I read in the early reports that the new iPods simply have the same video capability that older iPods have but are disabled. I ussume a firmware update might activate this functionality? Can anyone confirm this? I wonder which of the older models can do this... Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Bergeron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how can we check if we're listed in the iTunes Podcast Directory? And if we're not listed anyone know where the instructions are located? (I'm not an iTunes user) -Chris http://www.theramblingloggerhead.com __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Firstly here are the important details of the video spec as stated on Apples store: * H.264 video up to 768 kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per second; MPEG-4 video up to 2.5mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per second This will only make the mpeg4/h264 choice dilemma worse. No doubt higer resolution and bitrate mpeg4 is supported, compared to h264, because mpeg4 decoding requires less power. 480x480 mpeg files at 2.5mpbs will probably look better than h264 at 320x240 768kbps, but they will be much larger. We know by now that personally I am biased and love h264, so I want the 320x240 h264 768kbps type to catch on. This ties in to your question. When the issue of whether video could be potentially played on existing ipod hardware came up on this list, I said a very big NO. This is because from everything I have read, the processing power of previous iPods was not enough to handle video decompression. People like Taylor Barcroft disagreed, and pointed to the linux ipod video player as proof. It isnt proof, unless it can be shown to handle compressed video (the first linux ipod video hack only handled uncompressed frames which take much less power to playback). Now apart from making the screen larger and device smaller, I dont know what apple have changed inside. Maybe they upgraded the CPU, maybe they added a chip to do video decompression. Mybe I was wrong and some other existing ipods could handle video playback. If it were so, then it would come down to whether it makes business sense for apple to give such functionality to older models. It would make sense in that it would increase their potential to sell videos, but it would reduce demand for their new ipod, people like me who only recently got a 60gb non-video ipod might be tempted to wait and see if another ipod with a much larger widescreen appears next year. Rejoice at the TV out option. It may be Apples way of hedging their bets if, like me, they arent convinced 100% that portable video will catch on with the masses in a huge way, but hooking it up to a TV will. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do a search in iTunes for the name of your site. If you're not listed click the add podcast link in iTunes. If you aren't an iTunes user you're shit outta luck, or use a freinds machine. On another note. I read in the early reports that the new iPods simply have the same video capability that older iPods have but are disabled. I ussume a firmware update might activate this functionality? Can anyone confirm this? I wonder which of the older models can do this... Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Bergeron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how can we check if we're listed in the iTunes Podcast Directory? And if we're not listed anyone know where the instructions are located? (I'm not an iTunes user) -Chris http://www.theramblingloggerhead.com __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Greetings, Aha cheers for the info, tells us even more than the stuff I previously posted. Hooray that both .mp4 and .mov are supported. Yes its bad for anybody who hasnt been using .mp4 or mpeg4 in a .mov. What Im hoping is that there is an upside. It may be that Apple will want to allow people to make their own videos more easily. Encoding to the right format might end up being built into itunes. Maybe people wouldnt have to buy quicktime pro then. And certainly it can only serve to increase the number of PC softwares that support .mp4 or .mov or both. The format wars were always going to be won or lost depending on what happens with hardware. The format battles can rage on for years on computers, because its mostly software, and up until now not much commercial selling of video content. But this stuff is coming of age now, so its time for things to get simplified in brutal ways: But when this stuff filters down to the mass electronics hardware market, the battles tend to end more definitively. VHS vs Betamax, there could be only 1 long-term. One of the chief problems with WMV format is that Microsofts history causes a lot of potential hardware partners to feel intimidated. Microsoft has wanted to take over the livingroom with internet and media center boxes for years. So far it hasnt gone the way theyd like at all, same with mobile phones to a certain extent. So now we have 2 likely popula portable hardware devices with large corporations to market them. The PSP and the new iPod. Both use mpeg4, but Apples implementation sounds better than Sony. I hope this move by Apple forces Sony to raise its game and sort out stupid issues fwith mpeg4 compatibility on its devices. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Bergeron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More from the Apple Website: Surprise Surprise WMV isn't supported. I knew it was coming, I guess it's time to spring for the full version of Quicktime. -Chris http://www.theramblingloggerhead.com http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks Chris. Engadget was the best source of info by far. This just in: Oh, and one more thing… It’s not only music videos you can buy. No, Apple’s set up to allow you to purchase TV shows for $1.99 apiece. Get Desperate Housewives or four other ABC shows premiering on iTunes at two bucks an ep. On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Chris Nolan.ca wrote: According to http://engadget.com/entry/1234000207062697/ New iPod announced! The new iPod, as speculated, features video capabilities and the wider display, but it's still a music-first device. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Search for kitykity. I'm in there! :D Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Bergeron wrote: Cut and pasted from Apple's Site: [snip] Watch video podcasts Bing!!! use an optional S-video cable with iPod to play VJ on your TV. Bing!!! So if this thing accepts the feeds of videoblogs put into iTunes... Wow... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Im with you on this, agree. Not sure if it will last a year, I heard something about another ipod with a wider screen for some point in the future, but who knows if thats true. But yeah, even though I regularily talk about higher resolution and higher quality videoblogs as a valid thing, Im not unhappy with 320x240. It is indeed a great leveler, it means we can compete, though the material apple chooses to highlight within itunes podcast/video directory is likely to resemble more of the traditional filter that gives the big players the advantage. Another thing itunes stuff does is break the world up. If I look at the top 100 podcasts in the UK through itunes, it isnt the same as the USA. All the countries have their own seperate stats. That might be relevant actually, because some videobloggers may end up being popular in countries they dont expect, for strange cultural-content or humour matching reasons. I dont know if podcasters have caught onto this issue, but my tip for anybody casting through itunes and interested in stats and what material is allegedly most popular, is this: Go in through the music store in itunes rather than the podcast directory button. At the very bootom of the front page there is a dropdown to change country. Change to another country and then click on the podcasts link within the itunes store. You should then see which podcast feeds are in the top 100 for that country. I tried this yesterday in iTunes 5, dunno if its the same in 6. One things for sure, this announcement has given me verbal diahorrea, a word I cant spell. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, fALk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that apple makes 320x240 the defacto standard for another year is a tribute to the vloggers - its this year that vloggers can truly compete with the big media companies - after that its the old quality game again but until then its same eye heights - at least in quality ... it depends on us the vloggers if we can find content that is enjoyable by the masses (not that it hasn´t been found yet - rocketboom :O but all together against the standard media with new concepts is something worth looking forward too - in a way I think pixar is already doing this with its short films ) oh happy day -- fALk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Incentives to pay: 1) Ease. Its so damn easy to buy music off itunes and have it on your ipod. Once people reach a certain threshold of earnings, their time becomes more valuable to them than a few dollars. 2) Maybe there arent any adverts in the TV shows. Pay to avoid that brainrot inserted annoyingly into shows I want to watch? You bet. The TV show stuff is something Im interested in but I bet there will be global licensing issues that prevent me from being able to buy all the same itunes TV shows as you can in the USA. Hope Im wrong, but it seems a safe bet to me, considering we are often months or whole series behind with when many US ttv shows get shown on TV in the UK. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp wrote: Hrm. $1.99 seems a little pricey to me for one TV show. That's $50 a season. I watch about 5 shows not in reruns and probably another 7 to 10 in syndication. Figuring 15 shows, that'd be $750/yr for the shows I watch, or about $62.50 a month. I pay less than that for cable, plus I have access to all the shit I don't watch regularly. Someone's gonna have to come up with a better business model. Not only that, but $1.99 for 320x240 versions of television shows? What's my incentive to pay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I am agnostic about the terms. Video blogging, video podcasting, ...Who cares what you call it? well obviously a few people do--but I don't. I have other things to worry about. Both terms are easier than saying video delivered on the Internet on RSS 2.0 feeds with enclosures. I'd rather concentrate on content than naming the medium. If people get it when I call it a video podcast then that's the term I'll use. It's a big deal over nothin' if you ask me. It's like getting pissed off because someone calls a car an automobile. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah i need to save some cash...I was hoding out on buying my first ipod until i could showcase my video blog on it...and yeah I am pretty sure that the best content for the new ipod is video blogs because they are short, already small, and already up there on the internetand yeah boo to video podcastingbut hey now there is video on the ipod so that gets rid of the whole it's not POD casting unless it is on an Ipod... On 10/12/05, Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First - I'm getting one of these ASAP! Second- Video Podcasts! Ugh Third- Universal Dock $35 Remote Control $26 AV Cable $17.10 Total $78.10 plus tax and shipping Holy crap that's a lot to hook it up to your TV! Forth- Looks like QuickTime video, 320 X 240 will be popular for a while. -- Verdi URL: http://michaelverdi.com/ URL: http://freevlog.org/ URL: http://node101.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links -- Josh Leo joshleo.com http://joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com http://stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.com http://joshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com http://wearethemedia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Steve Watkins wrote: Incentives to pay: 2) Maybe there arent any adverts in the TV shows. Pay to avoid that brainrot inserted annoyingly into shows I want to watch? You bet. Correct, commercial-free shows is what you will be getting. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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How about we start calling it what it really is: Internet TV. Just my two cents. On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 19:43 +, Bill Streeter wrote: I am agnostic about the terms. Video blogging, video podcasting, ...Who cares what you call it? …well obviously a few people do--but I don't. I have other things to worry about. Both terms are easier than saying video delivered on the Internet on RSS 2.0 feeds with enclosures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:50:38 +0200, Justin Chapweske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we start calling it what it really is: Internet TV. If that's all it is, a great potential is lost. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Is that because TV never lived up to its potential in many peoples eyes? And if so, the term TV has negative connotations because it comes to symbolise all the negative aspects of TV. I do get the idea that the term TV is hated here by plenty preceisely because it has become irreversibly linked to the current state of TV, in the same way communism has become a totally negative term because it spent decades being attached to a specific totalitarian example of communism? Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:50:38 +0200, Justin Chapweske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we start calling it what it really is: Internet TV. If that's all it is, a great potential is lost. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Steve Watkins wrote: Is that because TV never lived up to its potential in many peoples eyes? And if so, the term TV has negative connotations because it comes to symbolise all the negative aspects of TV. That would be part of it for me. I would also venture that there is much more interactive element built into video blogging i.e. click on provided links, post messages, etc. That kind of thing is lost through TV, and also unfortunately is part of the experience lost through devices like the new iPod. I do get the idea that the term TV is hated here by plenty preceisely because it has become irreversibly linked to the current state of TV, in the same way communism has become a totally negative term because it spent decades being attached to a specific totalitarian example of communism? I guess so. It's sort of like you can't use the word criticism without people thinking that you're being negative, even when you say that someone has enjoyed positive criticism of their art or something like that... I'm usually against just creating new words simple to make a distinction where there really isn't one. I'm not a big fan of vlog for instance as it is too many steps removed from actual words. When one gets too deep into jargon, you run the danger of no one outside of your particular niche having a chance to understand you. Video blog does it all for me personally. -- Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So, these are my very unofficial first thoughts I am very excited about ABC leading the way and at least making a starting point for major media distribution. I cant wait to see where this goes over the next two weeks. It really makes me excited to go to work everyday. Actually, everything is moving so fast, I kind of dont want to leave. I am a bit disappointed in the firepower. 480x480 mpeg-4. Even if it can display it on the screen I would hope it could do full screen video on the TV out. There have been handheld mpeg-4 player capable of full DVD resolution for well over a year. I have to imagine that this limitation will be overcome with the next release. Overall a thumbs up. The more people are used to getting their video over the internet in general, the lower the barrier for common and extraordinary video _expression_. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:26 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: VIDEO IPOD! Incentives to pay: 1) Ease. Its so damn easy to buy music off itunes and have it on your ipod. Once people reach a certain threshold of earnings, their time becomes more valuable to them than a few dollars. 2) Maybe there arent any adverts in the TV shows. Pay to avoid that brainrot inserted annoyingly into shows I want to watch? You bet. The TV show stuff is something Im interested in but I bet there will be global licensing issues that prevent me from being able to buy all the same itunes TV shows as you can in the USA. Hope Im wrong, but it seems a safe bet to me, considering we are often months or whole series behind with when many US ttv shows get shown on TV in the UK. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp wrote: Hrm. $1.99 seems a little pricey to me for one TV show. That's $50 a season. I watch about 5 shows not in reruns and probably another 7 to 10 in syndication. Figuring 15 shows, that'd be $750/yr for the shows I watch, or about $62.50 a month. I pay less than that for cable, plus I have access to all the shit I don't watch regularly. Someone's gonna have to come up with a better business model. Not only that, but $1.99 for 320x240 versions of television shows? What's my incentive to pay? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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It may not quite be that simple. It may be that simple, but it may not. There are further specifications regarding what type of mpeg4 files the ipod can play eg the profiles (main, standard, base) and the maximum bitrates. It is therefore not impossible that many existing mpeg4 videoblogs will need converting to work properly. Hopefully they will all be fine, but I havent read up on the profile stuff yet so I cant be 100% sure. Also in related news: Quicktime 7.0.3 includes a new export option which makes ipod videos. Under The export option there is now a new item 'Movie to iPod (320x240)' If you select that option, it gives you no other configurable options that I can see, so no bitrate to set, no framerate, no res, etc. It appears to create 320x240 files in h264 at 768kbps, using the same framerate as the source movie. Under the surfac its likely using the same h264 compression as quicktime 7's always had, so its just as slow. The complication here is that Apple have decided to use another file extension, m4v. Oh what fun! I believe they have done this because they have set itunes up to be the default app that opens .m4v files. Im thinking that hopefullythese m4v files are just the same as .mp4, they are certainly a legitimate part of the mpeg4 spec I believe, we just havent seen people using that file extension much yet. Anyway hopefully this isnt going to turn into the same story of incompatibility when there neednt be any, as occurs with PSP mpeg4. Also I havent checked yet whether these .m4v files work well in a browser, eg faststart (progressive download). The 'buy videos through itunes' stuff appears to be even more geographically constrained than Id hoped, I dont think theres anything availble in the UK itunes store yet at all, and I bet most of the rest of the world is in a similar position. Dunno how long I have to wait till these new ipods are availbale in UK either. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: supports mpeg4 and H.264 so YES -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: Supports 3ivx? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VIDEO IPOD!!!!!
Wo, Nelma! What a week. First Pete Townshend, and now Steve Jobbs. Someone just pointed out to me that Steve Jobbs had Rocketboom loaded on his video ipod presentation and also played Tikibar today. You can see this .5 seconds of fame here. Wake me up when October ends! http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ On Oct 12, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: It may not quite be that simple. It may be that simple, but it may not. There are further specifications regarding what type of mpeg4 files the ipod can play eg the profiles (main, standard, base) and the maximum bitrates. It is therefore not impossible that many existing mpeg4 videoblogs will need converting to work properly. Hopefully they will all be fine, but I havent read up on the profile stuff yet so I cant be 100% sure. Also in related news: Quicktime 7.0.3 includes a new export option which makes ipod videos. Under The export option there is now a new item 'Movie to iPod (320x240)' If you select that option, it gives you no other configurable options that I can see, so no bitrate to set, no framerate, no res, etc. It appears to create 320x240 files in h264 at 768kbps, using the same framerate as the source movie. Under the surfac its likely using the same h264 compression as quicktime 7's always had, so its just as slow. The complication here is that Apple have decided to use another file extension, m4v. Oh what fun! I believe they have done this because they have set itunes up to be the default app that opens .m4v files. Im thinking that hopefullythese m4v files are just the same as .mp4, they are certainly a legitimate part of the mpeg4 spec I believe, we just havent seen people using that file extension much yet. Anyway hopefully this isnt going to turn into the same story of incompatibility when there neednt be any, as occurs with PSP mpeg4. Also I havent checked yet whether these .m4v files work well in a browser, eg faststart (progressive download). The 'buy videos through itunes' stuff appears to be even more geographically constrained than Id hoped, I dont think theres anything availble in the UK itunes store yet at all, and I bet most of the rest of the world is in a similar position. Dunno how long I have to wait till these new ipods are availbale in UK either. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: supports mpeg4 and H.264 so YES -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: Supports 3ivx? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: VIDEO IPOD!!!!!
No I didnt say that either. I said it might not be compatible, to be honest we can be sure when someones actually got one in their hand to try. Hopefully it will be compatible, or maybe it will be compatible as long as you use certain settings. Apple clearly wanted to make it easy to export from quicktime to a format that works on the ipod, so theyve made decisions about what type of compatible format is used when a user chooses the ipod export in quicktime 7.0.3 But other ways of exporting should still work, if the other spec we've seen is true. They mention .mp4 and .mov compatibility. This isnt going to get concluded tonight, we've got most of the facts now but it will take a little longer to be sure. I can only do theory at the moment, I hope to have one final bit of info tonight after Ive figured something out. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bummer. So not 3ivx encoded compatible. my bad. serious limitation if true. hope it's not or that a hack will follow. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:11 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: It appears to create 320x240 files in h264 at 768kbps, using the same framerate as the source movie. Under the surface its likely using the same h264 compression as quicktime 7's always had, so its just as slow. videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod in 13 hours?
Why do I feel like this is like waiting for The Great Pumpkin. I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. Didn't Jobs say that there wasn't going to be a video iPod? Not that CEO don't lie but you never know. He might have been telling the truth. Then again, he might need an announcement to take off some of the heat from unhappy customers those delicate broken nanos. See you out in the patch, bring your blankie... Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ** --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recent weeks Think Secret has been deluged with conflicting information from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event, the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. While reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be delivered until next week. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html -Matt --- http://www.leanbackvids.com http://www.vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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is anyone else scared and excited at the same time here? On 10/11/05, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Why do I feel like this is like waiting for The Great Pumpkin. I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. Didn't Jobs say that therewasn't going to be a video iPod?Not that CEO don't lie but you neverknow.He might have been telling the truth.Then again, he might need an announcement to take off some of the heat from unhappy customers those delicate broken nanos.See you out in the patch, bring your blankie...Genahttp://outonthestoop.blogspot.com** --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recent weeks Think Secret has been deluged with conflicting information from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event, the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. While reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be delivered until next week. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html -Matt --- http://www.leanbackvids.com http://www.vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
On 9/21/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the convergence of television and computer is going to happen. this is still true, amazingly. the first attempts at these were a few decades ago. my father was involved... was way way to early and example of how you cant nec create a market just because technology exists, albeit expensive technology. On 9/21/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to see FireAnt add capability to play videos thru anormal TV like say video out thru a firewire video passthru, or something. I don't know how hard that would be. I know FCP does it.I would love to veg on the couch and catch up with all my vlogs andmaybe a movie or two from Archive.org. 1) I made a video on how to watch video via FireANT on TV using s-video and an audio hook up. This may be obvious and you're probably just referring to more seamless solutions, but, in just in case you didn't know how to do this, the video is here: http://www.richardshow.com/2005/08/how-to-watch-video-blog-on-your.html It's a boring video and I wouldn't watch it just for fun, but it shows how to do it. 2) As for the comment about the convergence of TV and computers not going to happen (which isn't really Michael Sullivan's quote, he just quoted it). ... I just finished reading J.D. Lasica's DarkNet (which I highly recommend) and one point he made was that when talking to children the younger they are the less likely they are to make a distinction in information devices like TV and computers, since, of course, such a distinction is pretty arbitrary, and the fact that these things will all converge not only is going to happen it is inevitable, obvious (IMHO)... spend one night watching videos on TV with a beer in your hand on your couch with fireANT options set to play next video and I think you'll see what I mean. (The DarkNet book is all about all the interesting things this convergence means for the entertainment industry and the consumer, and it gets very interesting) ... However, it is certainly true that there is a distinction between the way we currently use these devices ... work on computers vs watch TV ... again, I would encourage you to try the exercise of watching fireANT like TV and you'll see what I mean ... I now do virtually all of my video blog viewing via TV and here are some observations: 1) I watch many more videos that I used to. (I used to not be able to clear my FireANT and now I am actually sad when it clears, because I'm sitting there on the couch wanting more video blogs - as a consequence I keep trying new videos/feeds.) 2) I enjoy watching videos much more than I used to. 3) My wife is now completely involved in the video blog community because she now watches with me and enjoys it a lot. (She cried when she found out Ian wasn't going to be able to go to Vlog Europe and ended up talking me into offering Ian to pay for everything - though, apparently we weren't the first, and he graciously turned down our offer). 4) I don't ever comment when I am watching in this manner. I tried at first, but it's way too cumbersome. Therefore, what I do is go back the next day and comment on some and add some to RichardsPicks, but I used to comment on everything I watched now I don't. I watch many more, but don't interact nearly as much. (Maybe this is bad, or maybe good, I don't know - it's different.) 5) I almost never see what is written on the web page any more due to resolution of the TV, but more fundamentally, due to the fact that I'm watching a series of videos, not reading web pages, therefore, videos that stand on their own and don't require reading of the page are best, and ones that have some sort of intro and ending that reminds me who the author is and when it begins and ends is best. Of course, this makes it much less of a hypermedia interactive experience, since I never follow links or read context info etc, I just watch videos. (Again, maybe this is bad or good, but mainly it's just different). ... I do this in place of reading or watching TV -stuff I do to relax before bed, and I, honestly, prefer it to TV and even to reading sometimes (I sort of alternate). I can't imagine that this will ever be true of that many people, but it is true of me and will probably be true of others and I think eventually there will be a niche group of people who really would rather see these sort of grass-roots, amateur snippets of people's lives or whatever, more than wanting to watch main stream TV. ... A crucial factor that makes this fun, is that I make vlogs and have this idea that some people are watching them, and a good number of these people I actually met at vloggercue and I hope to meet in the future, so I know the people who star in my TV shows/vlogs, or at least the people who create them (whether they're in them or not), and I think this makes up for a lot that is lost in professional production. The digital connection among us is a crucial element of the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Richard wrote: p.s. If FireANT could ever do full screen and, at the same time, have the play next media item working, this would be a step in making the experience more dramatic (then there would be the issue of making higher resolution videos etc to work on the full screen, and stuff, but that's all in the future). Richard makes a lot of great points in his email, especially the above. I'm still waiting for that feature, at least as a selectable option, to return to FireANT. I might be wrong, but I think someone told me it was removed due to conflicts with WMV and other file types when combined in a playlist. Having an easier way to switch screen resolutions or something akin to it when switching between a computer monitor and TV screen, other than going through a cumbersome path to system prefs, would clear up the problem of being able to read anything on a TV and still have enough screen room to do anything worthwhile. Someone at Apple, MAKE THIS NOW. DO IT. Stop wasting time on the new vibrating ipod. ALSO: When you are done with that send me $60,000 USD and a slurpee. Thank you. chris weagel www.human-dog.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
Bill, You can buy a G5 specific DVI to composite and S-Video Adapter for your PowerMac for $19 from the Apple Store or a dealer near you. But the one very negative review on the Apple Store site, a rarity for Apple to leave posted, says it doesn't work very well. His review was posted only two days ago. I guess they didn't find it yet. I purchased this item and the quality of the display is very poor. I at first assumed it was just my TV but after speaking with another person who has tried to do something similar on a PC, he seemed to feel that it was just not something that works right. A TV and Computer is just too different. I would like to experiment with it more but right now I would say not to bother with this. He had a new HDTV so resolution should not have been a problem on his TV. So I guess you need a 30-Day return guarantee policy type of store like Fry's here in California to try and see how it looks. I have played to TV directly out of my 1.25 GHz Aluminum October '03 PowerBook's S-Video port very successfully. Picture looks great on Sony 27 XBR circa mid nineties from DivX recordings of HDTV shows - 350 MB per 43 minute episode played full screen with Video Lan Client. They appear widescreen letterbox in standard definition perfectly on this old classic. This was their last 27 XBR - pre-WEGA era. At that point, S-Video was state-of-the-art input. Last night in Cupertino at the MacFilmmakers meeting on the Apple campus, it was mentioned that we SHOULD be looking at a TV hooked up to our Macs to edit correctly due to SAFE ZONE and COLOR SATURATION considerations. Was told a setup for TV is in the FCP Manual. Do you have Final Cut Pro Bill? It's on Volume 1 p.54. You run FW to your camcorder then out analog to the TV and amplified sound system. Gotta go. More later if you don't have the docs. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Sep 22, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: My G4 had an s-video out card and my new G5 doesn't, but even then it was cumbersome. The closest I get now is playing it all full screen on my computer while relaxing on my couch in my office. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
To clarify, its not 'analog only', it just doesnt do HDTV. You can get digital TV that is Standard Definition, so it will work with some digital TV footage. This is a global list, and theres a range of different products from Elgato for different emerging Digital TV standards in different parts of the world. It is certainly a shame that the eyeHome doesnt do HDTV, but for videoblog-TV purposes this sdoesnt matter at the moment. From their FAQ: Q: Does EyeHome support HDTV resolutions? A: Yes and No. The EyeHome hardware runs at a native 480p (720 by 480) resolution. It can scale this to 720p (1280 by 720) or 1080i (1920 by 1080), and the scaling is high quality. You pick the resolution you want in the EyeHome Settings screen. You can also choose standard TV resolutions. Only video that is 480p or less will play. EyeHome cannot play HDTV video from EyeTV 500 or any other source, due to its higher bitrate and resolution above 480p. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have all three eyeTV products. Don't get eyeHome. It is analog only and will not communicate the digital recordings of the eyeTV 500 digital tuner, which I also have, to a TV at all. I recommend the eyeTV 500 digital tuner for off air HDTV viewing and recording on your Mac. But the eyeHome is a total disappointment. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Sep 22, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Before I waffle technically, theres at least one totally alternative option for Mac users, which has the advantage of also providing a remote and navigation system to access your media from the comfort of the sofa. http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyehome Anybody got one of those? Ive thought about it but its just a bit too much money and I dont know if it will handle a flexible enough range of codecs/file formats to work with enough of the vlogospheres contents. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
Oh yeah I use FCP and have always used an external NTSC monitor. Although I bet I could get away without one for the stuff that I do just for the web. But then again at least I know all my stuff could work in NTSC if I ever released it that way. I just think it would be cool if FireAnt had a NTSC out the way FCP does. I don't know if that's even posible though. Just wishful thinking on my part, I guess. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, You can buy a G5 specific DVI to composite and S-Video Adapter for your PowerMac for $19 from the Apple Store or a dealer near you. But the one very negative review on the Apple Store site, a rarity for Apple to leave posted, says it doesn't work very well. His review was posted only two days ago. I guess they didn't find it yet. I purchased this item and the quality of the display is very poor. I at first assumed it was just my TV but after speaking with another person who has tried to do something similar on a PC, he seemed to feel that it was just not something that works right. A TV and Computer is just too different. I would like to experiment with it more but right now I would say not to bother with this. He had a new HDTV so resolution should not have been a problem on his TV. So I guess you need a 30-Day return guarantee policy type of store like Fry's here in California to try and see how it looks. I have played to TV directly out of my 1.25 GHz Aluminum October '03 PowerBook's S-Video port very successfully. Picture looks great on Sony 27 XBR circa mid nineties from DivX recordings of HDTV shows - 350 MB per 43 minute episode played full screen with Video Lan Client. They appear widescreen letterbox in standard definition perfectly on this old classic. This was their last 27 XBR - pre- WEGA era. At that point, S-Video was state-of-the-art input. Last night in Cupertino at the MacFilmmakers meeting on the Apple campus, it was mentioned that we SHOULD be looking at a TV hooked up to our Macs to edit correctly due to SAFE ZONE and COLOR SATURATION considerations. Was told a setup for TV is in the FCP Manual. Do you have Final Cut Pro Bill? It's on Volume 1 p.54. You run FW to your camcorder then out analog to the TV and amplified sound system. Gotta go. More later if you don't have the docs. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Sep 22, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: My G4 had an s-video out card and my new G5 doesn't, but even then it was cumbersome. The closest I get now is playing it all full screen on my computer while relaxing on my couch in my office. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
Hi Steve, Have you had the product in your possession for months so you could report on it beyond the press releases and the misleading FAQ pages? I have had all three in my possession since about March. And I have been using them on a daily basis. I know from what I speak. Not to be snotty or anything but I know what these boxes can and can't do. ElGato even told me flat out directly after I discovered this that the eyeHome product is only built to deal with analog source recordings and not the digital source recordings. eyeHome (USA) only deals with SD recordings from ANALOG signals recorded on the eyeTV 200 ANALOG tuner-recorder NOT from the SD and HDTV Digital eyeTV 500 tuner-recorder. But I could not even get it to properly serve my iTunes playlists. I am CERTAIN this product is not worth being treated like something you should buy. It is FROM ANALOG ONLY SOURCES recorded digitally and also can do analog to DV transcodings with the analog input set it has on it's side. You can run both the eyeTV 200 and the eyeTV 500 simultaneously and record from both analog and digital broadcast signals. They did not know that by the way. But the eyeHome does not support any of the digital broadcast recordings which include SD digital broadcasts. That FAQ is talking about interpolating SD recordings - not displaying native HDTV recordings. It is a TRICK answer that misleads the reader. Who here wants to record analog broadcast signals when digital SD and HD is already in the air? On the other hand I can HIGHLY recommend the eyeTV 500 digital- receiver recorder for Macintosh 500 MHz G4 and above. A dual processor PowerMac G5 is preferable. I started with a Dual 2 G5 and bought a Dual 2.5 G5 after experiencing upper limits of the slower one with the eyeTV 500 right away-particularly running both the analog eyeTV 200 and eyeTV 500 at once. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Sep 22, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: To clarify, its not 'analog only', it just doesnt do HDTV. You can get digital TV that is Standard Definition, so it will work with some digital TV footage. NO IT WILL NOT. It let's you transcode Analog video to DV. Sure it does that. But eyeTV Home can only display digital recordings of Analog off air or cable signals. And it's ability to play iTunes Playlists was not true for me. A very crude attempt at a home entertainment hub that DOES NOT WORK AS ADVERTISED. This is a global list, and theres a range of different products from Elgato for different emerging Digital TV standards in different parts of the world. It is certainly a shame that the eyeHome doesnt do HDTV, but for videoblog-TV purposes this sdoesnt matter at the moment. From their FAQ: Q: Does EyeHome support HDTV resolutions? A: Yes and No. The EyeHome hardware runs at a native 480p (720 by 480) resolution. It can scale this to 720p (1280 by 720) or 1080i (1920 by 1080), and the scaling is high quality. You pick the resolution you want in the EyeHome Settings screen. You can also choose standard TV resolutions. Only video that is 480p or less will play. EyeHome cannot play HDTV video from EyeTV 500 or any other source, due to its higher bitrate and resolution above 480p. Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
I was interested in the products suitability for watching videoblogs on the TV. I can understand your frustration with the limitations of the product, and if it doesnt play any digital TV content then the FAQ is indeed misleading. I dont find it misleading in terms of what resolution the box actually works at though, 480p. The only reason I questioned your total un-recommendation of the product is that its unsuitability for HDTV doesnt affect its suitability for watching videoblogs, and that was the original reason I mentioned the product. Apparently there are other devices out there which are pretty much the exact same hardware, and some of them work on PC and Mac rather than just the Mac. Software features/bugs, and physical connectors may also vary. eg: http://www.neuston.com/en/mc500.asp Also the FAQ for the above device has far more technical detail about what formats are supported. Sounds like its compatible with 3ivx videoblogs, many different sorts of mp4 but not wmv or h264. http://www.neuston.com/en/mc500faq.asp Any idea what bitrate the standard definition recordings from your eyetv500 are? Seems like the eyeHome and friends can support mpeg2 up to 12Mbps, so Im wondering if thats the incompatibility with SD stuff from the eyeTV500, or whether its for some other reason. I guess I will find out soon whether it works with the UK digital eyeTV410. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K answer that misleads the reader. Who here wants to record analog broadcast signals when digital SD and HD is already in the air? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video iPod not on the horizon, says Steve Jobs
Well there's no telling what a UK version will do. It's all software dependent hardware for each market. Most importantly in the USA model, the eyeTV500 does not record at a different rate if it's a SD digital transmission. It ALWAYS records 16:9 at the HDTV rate of about 10 GB per hour. Want to see a mp4 version ripped from an original digital SD eyeTV500 recording? Check my site. Just put up a CROPPED eyeTV500 digital SD recording of a news clip of an all iBook High School in Arizona, which I made into an mpeg2 DVD disc image from a DV export, then ripped with HandBrake into a 2 mb per minute mp4 file. It was soft enough that I needed to allow a larger per minute file size than my own native DV recordings to keep it from collapsing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Sep 22, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: http://www.neuston.com/en/mc500faq.asp Any idea what bitrate the standard definition recordings from your eyetv500 are? Seems like the eyeHome and friends can support mpeg2 up to 12Mbps, so Im wondering if thats the incompatibility with SD stuff from the eyeTV500, or whether its for some other reason. I guess I will find out soon whether it works with the UK digital eyeTV410. Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: video ipod by november 9?
pre x-mas, i'd assume... i woner how many ipod owners would switch.On 9/9/05, Joshua Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering they just announced these, it'll be a while. On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:29 PM, straydogma wrote: iPods are popular give-aways for a lot of companies, and many of them are now guessing (that's right guessing just like you and me) that there will be a video iPod by such and such a date for a promotional contest or what not. But really it's just a guess on their part and I bet if you read the fine print it will say something like or when available or equivelent device or a voucher for $xx.xx. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve pointed out Wednesday that Apple sold 6 million iPods last quarter while Sony only sold 2 million Playstation Portables. So he may think he's got more time to enter this market than we do. And Apple may not be technologically ready to make their offering. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia On Sep 9, 2005, at 2:45 AM, petertheman wrote: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ I stumbled upon this ad where you can win a video ipod by november 9. Alright, so I'm a sucker for the Apple hype. I'd still love to see a video ipod though. And I am pretty sure they will. Peter -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: video ipod by november 9?
iPods are popular give-aways for a lot of companies, and many of them are now guessing (that's right guessing just like you and me) that there will be a video iPod by such and such a date for a promotional contest or what not. But really it's just a guess on their part and I bet if you read the fine print it will say something like or when available or equivelent device or a voucher for $xx.xx. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve pointed out Wednesday that Apple sold 6 million iPods last quarter while Sony only sold 2 million Playstation Portables. So he may think he's got more time to enter this market than we do. And Apple may not be technologically ready to make their offering. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia On Sep 9, 2005, at 2:45 AM, petertheman wrote: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ I stumbled upon this ad where you can win a video ipod by november 9. Alright, so I'm a sucker for the Apple hype. I'd still love to see a video ipod though. And I am pretty sure they will. Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
