12" monitors

[Teri Pittman]

At 12:51 AM 08/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>On a half-related note, how restrictive is the 512x384 resolution of the 
>12" monitor? I haven't used one of those 12" monitors but I've heard 
>that they're really small. It doesn't really matter because I won't be 
>using the computer much (I'll be using my dual G4/500 and my PowerBook 
>G3), but I would be interested to hear about it.

I use a lot of the 12" monitors, for the machines I'm giving away.  The
resolution is crisp and they are very useable for word processing (which is
what I set these machines up to do.)  I also like to use them for my test
monitors, when I'm working on machines.  They really are handy to have and
use--they take up a lot less space than a standard sized monitor.
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Re: New Mac Guy

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At 10:05 AM 08/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Stefan,
>   I have retreived the batteries and will test them this morning.
Interesting little things. I wonder, if I have to replace them, where I
might find some like those.
>
Radio Shack has them, but PC Liquidators has a better price
(http://www.pcliquidator.com/)
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PPP problem fixed

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>At 08:48 -0700 on 10/08/02, Teri Pittman wrote:

>Nuke the hotsync app.  Also, run something like Process Info and see if it's
>still running, and try running a serial port resetter too.
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Turned out to be much simplier than that.  I turned the machine around, so
that I could reseat the cables.  Tested it and it works again.  This
machine is missing the ceramic piece that holds the cable connections
correctly.  When I was fiddling around with the printer cable next to it, I
must have unseated it enough for the connection to fail.

Don't know if Hotsync still works, but I don't plan on using that every
day.  I'll worry about that later *grin*!

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Re: PPP problem

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At 10:56 PM 08/09/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>
>did the modem get changed to the printer port?

Nope, the modem wasn't moved.  There's a option in Hotsync to choose Local
(you point it to the right port), modem, or both (it monitors both ports to
see if the device is on it.)  I did doublecheck the cable to make sure that
the modem is plugged in directly.  As I mentioned, it does complete the
handshake--it fails when loading PPP.

>
>If yo open PPP all by itself, will it dial the number to your
>ISP and show a connected condition?

I tried changing it to open a terminal window to connect.  It does not show
that it's connected, even though it seems to have dialed and connected
okay.  The logs show that the server wasn't responding.

>
>If so, maybe the TCP settings were changed?
>
Nope, checked those and they were fine.  I did add the IP address that was
shown in the logs.  The two IPs originally in config are the ones my ISP
gave me.

Thanks for the help though.

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PPP problem

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I'm invoking the once removed rule, so I hope I don't get into TOO much
trouble!

My main Mac is a 6100/60 AV running 7.6.1.  I use Open Transport & PPP with
a Supra 33.6 modem.  Everything was working fine yesterday.  Today, the
modem connects, goes through the handshake, says "Starting PPP" and then
eventually bails out, saying the server didn't respond.  Since I'm
connecting to the same server to send this, it's not a problem at the
server end.

The only change I made was in trying to set up Hotsync to work with my Palm
on the Mac.  I wound up using the printer port, but did have to try other
options to find one that worked.  Hotsync is disabled until I turn it on.
When I started trying to figure out the problem, I found that PPP had been
turned off in extension manager.  I turned it back on, but I have the same
problem.

Is it possible that I have some corruption causing the problem?  Is
trashing the PPP prefs and reconfiguring the next step?  Reinstall the
whole mess?  None of the changes I've tried have made any difference--it's
like PPP doesn't start up.  I'll dig around in the books I have to see if I
can find anything else to try but am hoping to hear from the experts first
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Re: Some history

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At 05:45 AM 08/03/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Hmm, this got way longer than anticipated. :) Even
>busted the list's 10K size limit. Next part in next
>message. :) If Dan thinks it's good enough for
>my much neglected "Trailing Edge" on Low End PC
>(or even *gasp* good enough for a spot somewhere
>on LEM) be my guest, I think it's a bit long and
>probably too rambling
>

This is great and really clears up some of the areas I was unclear about.
I think I'll forward it over to a tech friend who may need to start
supporting Macs.  Belongs on LEM, IMHO.
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Re: More about the Whiney Drives

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At 07:39 PM 08/02/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>The only time a "driver" is needed on a
>PC is when you have an older PC with one of the
>drive size limits in the BIOS and a drive bigger
>than the specific limit on that particular PC.
>

You mean there's a newer OS than Win95?  I don't just do trailing edge on
Macs *grin*!
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Re: More about the Whiney Drives

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>Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand
>the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that
>brief and ugly period in our "own" history when there was such a thing as
>EIDE which I tried to avoid like the plague. :)

But you do use drivers in that world.  Most new drives come with install
disks and when you do the partitioning etc, that's when it puts in a
driver.  I'll admit, it's not like the way they work in the Mac universe.
>
>So, what I'm telling you is that I have no idea what something like
>Silverlining does or even why it's necessary. All I know is that the rather
>generic looking IBM SCSI drive I tried to put into my 7200/75 wasn't
>"recognized" until I used something called "Silverlining". Further, I have
>no idea if it only masks the recognition or recognition inhibiting culprit
>or screws with other parameters as well.
>
Here's what happened to me.  I innocently chose "update" with FWB disk
tools.  When I looked at it with another program, it had an apple driver
partition AND an FWB  driver partition.  It wouldn't recognize the Apple
driver partition any more, so Norton's wasn't working right.

I'm still working through this one, which will may mean reformatting the
disk, since I can't seem to get the Apple driver working again.  You may be
able to take a look at the partitions and see exactly what drivers are
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Re: OS copyright

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At 04:39 AM 08/01/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>This story just doesn't ring  true. Microsoft make  their newest software
>available cheap for schools ( As a student  I bought new, licensed, XP and
>Office for $6 each)
>-- 

In Oregon, MS was trying to insist that any donated PCs had to be kept with
the OS they were sold with (i.e. don't put Linux on them!)  AND, if you
didn't have the original license material, you had to purchase new licenses
and you purchased for everyone in the school, whether they used a computer
or not.  AND you purchase licenses for Macs, because they might use MS
products.

Some stuff here: 
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,101601,00.asp
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/05/13/schools-microsoft.htm
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copywrite

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Let's not forget that there are companies that buy up software programs
just to kill it.  I ran into an interesting site, while looking up
information on Desqview.  This was a DOS based program that provided a
graphical interface, before Windows took over everything.  I have this
theory that PCs would really cook if we still used DOS, since the hardware
has been beefed up so much.  

Anyway, there were a lot of comments from the folks who developed the
program, talking about the people who'd worked on it and how proud they
were of it.  Program was bought up by the folks who owned QEMM (maybe
Quarterdeck?) and it was deliberately killed.  There was a certain
bitterness about it--they really believed in what they'd developed.  They
had copies of the program tucked away for download.

And the question becomes, who should copywrite really protect?  Because
most folks think they're protecting the people who created the product, not
the company that buys it up. I can understand a company with a need to
encourage people to upgrade to their latest product.Does that mean that
people who want to use the old products have no rights?  Shouldn't they be
able to purchase a legal license?

I'm with pickle on this one.  I find the current copywrite laws way too
restrictive and I've seen how they inhibit the exchange of information.
I've seen the issue crop up on every damn list I'm on, no matter what the
topic.
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Redux

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Do any of you have a copy of Redux?  You might want to let the folks at
Lowend know that their old domain name (reduxsw) has been bought out by the
usual pornography crowd.  I would like to try the software out, but all the
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Re: Where ?

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At 10:57 PM 07/07/2002 +, you wrote:

>Anybody know of a decent WP program that's either freeware
>or shareware and easy to use that'll work on this thing ?? I
>tried putting my copy of "AppleWorks 5.0.3" on it but it
>that was a "no-go". 

Try nisus (www.nisus.com) You can get either the compact version or an
older version of the full program for free.  There's also a great book
available online (for free) on how to use the program.  It saves files as
text files, so you could export them if needed.
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Re: relatively foolish question

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At 11:38 AM 07/07/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>For more info on the Orange386, visit 
>http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/Apple/O386.html.
>

All amazing stuff!  I'll have to take a second look at this stuff.  I don't
think I really want to run those old DOS apps, but running a version of
Linux could be interesting.  Thanks for the help!
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relatively foolish question

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Okay, I gotta ask this, as I haven't found any information about this:
exactly how do DOS cards in Macs work?  I have two of them now, one with a
286 chip and one with a 386 chip.  I can vaguely remember one of these back
in college, that seemed to do emulation and was extremely slow.

Do they dual boot and you choose which OS to use?  Do you need a second
monitor to see what's going on?  It's not that I have a pressing need for
these, but I am curious.
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Re: keyboard question

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>
>Perhaps it's an auto-select that senses which port is in use.  Wonder if it
>works if you plug it into two Macs at once? :)
>
If I had a Plus, I'd give it a shot.  Wouldn't THAT be handy!!

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Re: keyboard question

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At 06:08 PM 06/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:


>>Or does that Datadesk Mac101 keyboard has a custom chip in it.
>
>More likely it has both a Plus-type keyboard controller chip and an ADB
>chip.  I think there's a jumper that selects between them.
>

I would assume it's an internal jumper as there isn't anything outside on
the case.  Just the two ADB ports and the RJ-11.

It has a full set of function keys, which I thought was odd.  And the
keypad is  fairly large and would be great if you crunch numbers.  It's
very noisy--has that clicky noise of the old IBM keyboards.  Makes me feel
very productive *grin*!
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Re: keyboard question

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>At 15:48 -0400 on 30/06/02, Teri Pittman wrote:

>
>They could be used on both an ADB and RJ-11-based Mac (like the Plus).
>
That explains it!  I haven't seen a Plus yet, so I didn't know that they
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keyboard question

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Does anyone know anything about the Datadesk Mac101 keyboards?  Nice clicky
kinda keyboard that looks almost like a PC keyboard.  What I'm curious
about is that it has a phone jack plug in.  What's that all about?

(I'm assuming it's okay to ask about this on this list.  I have had it
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Re: This is another fine mess.......

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>At 21:32 -0400 on 26/06/02, Teri Pittman wrote:

>That explains the bus error with 7.5 :)  You might want to have a look here:
>

I popped the LC 575 board into a 520.  Same error about 7.1, so I believe
that they have done the Resedit hacks, as the OS on the hard drive of the
machine is 7.6.1.  It booted up fine with the 7.5 boot disk--no bus error.

The hardest part about this one is going to be figuring out what this kid
did and at what point he gave up.  I've downloaded the Resedit hacks
mentioned in the FAQ.I'll put this all on a floppy, along with Resedit
and see what's been done.  I should be able to copy over a useable 7.1
system folder and will go on from there.

I can just hear that kid, "The FAQ made it sound easy, but they don't tell
you what to do when you screw up!!" *grin*!

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Re: This is another fine mess.......

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>
>That explains the bus error with 7.5 :)  You might want to have a look here:
>
>http://colourclassicfaq.com/index.shtml
>
>
Which explains the 065 enabler I found in the Trash *grin*!  I have 7.0 &
upgrade disks to 7.1.  I suppose my best bet is to sit down, read the FAQ
with computer in hand and do the upgrade to the Mystic.

Then, when I'm bored and have finally run down all the parts, I can tackle
the Takky.  Good thing I know where Stuart's site it *grin*!
>the pickle
>
>FAQ <http://macfaq.org/index.shtml>
>
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This is another fine mess.......

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I think I have one of those cosmic ironies on hand.  I wanted a Color
Classic to try and turn into a Takky.  Was given one that clearly had been
messed around with.  Wouldn't boot as it said OS 7.1 would not run on this
system. Won't boot from a 7.5 boot disk as it gets a bus error.  (This may
be the keyboard connection, as I had a few times when it wouldn't boot
without unplugging the keyboard.)

So, I set up all the 7.5.3 disks, made a new boot disk and decided to try
again.  Same thing, only it didn't like the boot disk (said to use Disk
Tools 2 instead).  So I pulled out an LC520 motherboard & tried that.  Was
able to boot from the disk, and copy the system folder over from that to
fix the hard drive.  It will boot on its own with this board in place.
Tried to install 7.5.3 and it choked.  "What the hell is this?" the
installer asked.  So I am assuming that I will probably need to hack a bit
with I Wish I Were and possibly install 7.6.

The board I took out?  It's an LC575 from the looks of the boards on the
link from Gamba's site.  I don't know if this board is useable or not.
I'll read up on this, but I am assuming that this is a hardware issue and
may not be fixable?

Any opinions/ideas would be welcomed.  I'll continue to read up on this and
plot my next move.  It runs nicely with the 520 MO but the OS is so
stripped down that it really needs to be reinstalled.

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Re: Mac IIci & Cable Modem?

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At 11:56 PM 06/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>
>
>When i try to Send/Recv. Mail an error message pops up:
>
>   " ERROR involving Domain Name System.
>_ 23009
>(37:456)"
>
Hmmm, I'm not much help with cable modems.  I do know Eudora though.  How
do you have your mail server set up in Eudora?  Did you use a name or IP
address?  If you used a name, you might try using the IP address instead.
Somewhere along the line, it's not resolving the name.
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Re: 2 Questions

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>
> in my experience 7.6.1 is the most bullet proof of
> the Mac OSes (sp?) and my preferred install on any
> 68k Mac that has enough ram to for it (and can handle
> it)

I've been using this a bit, since I have some LC520s that had it installed.
It does seem pretty stable.  I like 7.1 too.  I did an experiment this
weekend.  I have a IIsi that has 17MB RAM in it.  Decided I wanted to see
what it would do under System 6.  Found a little 40MB drive that had it
installed and booted it up.  WOW!  It really does rock.  I don't know that
it's convinced me to go out and install it on all my 68k machines, as I have
applications I want to run that won't run under it.  It's worth playing
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Re: iCab 2.8

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>At 21:04 -0400 on 04/06/02, Teri Pittman wrote:

>I find iCab a LOT faster than anything else on a 68K or 1st-gen PPC, but I
>also use a RAM disk for the cache and tend to overlook browsers that aren't
>exactly stable (read: Netscape 3 and earlier, Netscape 4 to a minor extent,
>and IE prior to version 5).
>

That's what I need to do.  I hadn't thought about using a RAM disk for the
cache.  Netscape 3 is pretty awful and I'm not crazy about anything
Microsoft.  Tried Cyberdog, but just didn't seem to be what I'm looking
for.  I'll load iCab up on the IIci this weekend and give it a whirl.
Already loaded it on the 6100 and it does seem to work a bit faster.  Will
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Re: iCab 2.8

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>iCab 2.8 is out and it sports a KILLER new image/cookie/everything else
>filter manager.  The learning curve is a bit steeper than it was before but
>I think it's a huge improvement over the old one.  Being a preferences
>junkie, maybe that's just me :)  Anyway,
>

Is this any faster than the previous version?  I've been running 2.71 on a
6100 and it seems really slow.  I'd like to support anyone turning out new
apps for a 68K series, but am about to go to IE to get faster speed.  More
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modem connector

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Slightly OT, as it concerns a PowerMac 6100:

I noticed today that the white connector that fits around the pins on the
modem connection is missing.  Bare pins.  It seems to work okay (as you can
tell by this note).  I have spare parts machines, but haven't figured a way
to pull one off.  Is it safe to use without it?  Any easy way to pull one
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Re: AAUI networking

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Actually, I want to go with a more traditional network setup.  And I may
eventually add the PC to the mix, so I'd like a system that would let me go
that route.  I am pretty sure I can come up with a hub/router/switch that
will work.  Will need to pick up transceivers & cabling and I'll be set.

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Re: AAUI networking

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>
> Lots more good info at
>
> http://threemacs.com/
>

I know.  There are a few things I wished they'd added, like what the AAUI
connectiods look like (found that at another site).  And more info on cables
would be good too.

As long as the transceivers will enable me to connect to a standard Ethernet
hub, I should be able to figure out the cabling on my own.  And I'm still
curious about the Fallaron EtherWave transceiver.  The description said that
it would function like a hub.

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Re: AAUI networking

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> A.  What kind of ethernet  jacks do  your ancient Macs have

They have AAUI jacks, the sort of squiggly looking ones.  I found a page
with pictures of Mac connectiods, so I'm sure that's what they are.  The LC
520s came with cards.  I have a 6100 AV that has builtin AAUI.  Will have to
come up with a card for the IIci--I'm not sure if the cards from the 520s
would work.  And I picked up a Duo 230.  Haven't looked at it carefully
enough to know what it has, as I haven't tested it yet to make sure it
works.

>
> B. How many machines are you going to net
> 1.  now
> 2.  later
>
At this point, a 6100 AV, IIci, Duo 230, Quadra 640, and at least one LC
520.  I also would like to hook up one laser printer.  I'm thinking 8
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AAUI networking

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I'm trying to understand the basics on AAUI networking.  I think it's
starting to make sense.  I do have a question about hubs. Does it make more
sense to go with something like the EtherWave or to go with a standard hub,
using transceivers?  Right now, I'll be working with ancient Mac to ancient
Mac.  I'm not sure that I want to bring the PC into this *grin*!
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Asante card

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I've got a question about an Asante card.  I pulled this out of one of the
Macs and I suspect it's a NIC card.  Number is Mc3NB (st-nic-v).  Other
numbers are 94-22ab0d, 024-09-A.  It has one connector for a phone jack
and another connector that is the same shape as a monitor plug in.  I'm
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Re: more learning experiences

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>
>In Teri's case, maybe.

Teri's case is finally resolved. Problem was a bad fork in the Open
Transport Apple Talk Library.  Don't ask me how I found it.  (Well, okay, I
upgraded to 7.6.1, which didn't fix it, installed OT/PPP, which didn't fix
it and finally scanned the disk with Norton.  One of the things it couldn't
fix was that file, which it told me to reinstall.)

Luckily, the IIci, running on simplier technology was able to connect and
download all the files needed.  I even managed to do some work on the stack
of Macs upstairs.  Next project will be to get the laser printers working
right.  I think that's a matter of having the right printer driver.  But,
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Re: more learning experiences

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At 12:35 PM 05/26/2002 +0200, you wrote:

>I had this invisible file too. It turned out to be MacTCP itself. Once
>replaced by a visible MacTCP, it came back invisible after restart. Having
>done that 10 times, I changed it's attributes (unchecked 'invisible')  with
>the program FileBudy 2.2, gave it a new MacTCP-Icon, restarted, and all was
>well.
>

Same thing here, same file.  I used Norton and unchecked invisible. Then I
deleted it and replaced it with a fresh copy. That file seems to be okay.
I think I'll be fine, as soon as I figure out how to get OT/PPP on the Mac.
 ( I think it will involved moving the IIci down, hooking it up, and
pulling a copy of the file from my ISP.  I'll upload that this morning.)
I'm finding that some of these Macs don't like those floppies with a
plastic slider, instead of metal. And the floppy drive on the PC is down,
so TransMac is out.

I'm starting to feel like someone with a yard full of old cars, just to
have enough spare parts to keep one going *grin*!
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more learning experiences

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I tried a disk swap today.  Took the 250MB drive from the Power Mac and
swapped it with a 1GB drive from an LC520.  I did a disk image of the stuff
on the Power Mac before I swapped.  The Power Mac disk was OS 7.5, the LC
520 disk was 7.6.1.

Things seemed to go okay.  When I tried to pull stuff over from the disk
image to the new disk, I wasn't able to pull the system files.  So I have
been upgraded to 7.6.1.  Here's the problem: I can't get Free PPP to work.
I managed to fix Mac TCP (which had a problem with an invisible file).  The
control panel for Free PPP shows that the extension is not installed.  It
is, of course. I've tried taking it out of the Extensions folder,
restarting and putting it back in.  Tried turning it off in Extension
manager, rebooting, turning it back on, rebooting, with no effect.  Tried
reinstalling from the backup copy I had. No difference.  The older version
of PPP doesn't work either.

The only other thing I can think of that might affect it is that Open
Transport is not currently installed.  I could probably pull the files off
one of the other LC520s, if that's the problem.  Any other ideas?

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Re: RAM puzzlement

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> Are Power Macs ever as
>>much fun?
>
.
>2) Yes.
>

Really??  This 6100 doesn't seem nearly as interesting as the LC520s or
II-somethings.  Did I just get a boring beige Power Mac?

I confess, I have been eyeing the stuff on Mystics & Takkys.

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Re: RAM puzzlement

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>
>Virtual Memory OFF and 32bit mode ON. :) Then see
>what it says.
>

That was it.  They're 1MB SIMMs.  I turned off Virtual memory, put those
SIMMs in Bank A and got 4MB total RAM. Virtual memory must have masked it
somehow.

A couple of questions that hopefully won't take us OT:  At what point does
one become jaded at playing with these machines?  Are Power Macs ever as
much fun?

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More on the RAM

[Teri Pittman]

Since Gamba asked, here are the details.  The label on the package says
"VCI 4MB 70ns 30 pin memory SIMM single"
 It's a 2 chip simm, that sort of half height size.  Back of the chip says
HB56G18B 8A 9241 XX

It dawned on me while looking at these that there could be one more
explantaion.  We assumed these were 4MB SIMMs.  It's possible the label
means 4MB total.  If they were 1MB simms, it might make a bit more sense
(although it wouldn't explain why it doesn't read 4MB total when I have
SIMMs in just one bank.)

I'm off to turn off virtual memory and play around with these again.

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Re: RAM puzzlement

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>
> You have VM on?
>

Yep, I turned it on because I was using the machine on the Net and 8MB
wasn't enough.  I didn't try turning it off last night, but will play around
with that tonight.


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Re: RAM puzzlement

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> Another thought - you *are* looking at the Total RAM in the About This
> Macintosh window, right?  As opposed to the available RAM...
>

Yep, but the total RAM figure includes the 16MB on disk.  I'm starting to
think it might be useful to turn that off completely and see if I get
different figures.


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Re: RAM puzzlement

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>
> Are they *really* 4MB sticks, or are they just four more 1MB sticks?
> That's the only explanation I can think of for your results, and it only
> explains the first two.
>

I thought it might be that it's still using the original settings and hasn't
refreshed since I added the RAM.  This is OS 7.1, by the way.  Unless
someone managed to pop the sticker on the package and replace the chips,
they are 4 MB sticks.  The package looked untouched.  I thought that maybe
the chips were bad, so I wasn't too surprised when it didn't pick them up
the first time.  Just can't figure out why it's not showing a change with
four of the original sticks gone.


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Re: RAM puzzlement

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Will do that when I get home tonight.  They are two chip, I think.  They
were in a sealed static bag, with the sticker still on them (originally
$239!)

- Original Message -
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>
>
> --
> >From: Teri Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> >Subject: RAM puzzlement
> >Date: Fri, May 24, 2002, 5:38 AM
> >
>
> > I've been playing around with a RAM upgrade on the IIci.  I was given 4
> > 4MB, 70ns sticks for it.  It currently shows 8MB installed with what I
> > assumed were 1MB sticks.  The documentation I have says this model does
not
> > have any on board RAM.
>
> > Teri Pittman
>
>
> Read off the numbers on the front of those 4 meggers, and type 'em in
here.
>
> I'd like to also know whether they're 3-chip ram, 4-chip, six-chip.
>
> JEff
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RAM puzzlement

[Teri Pittman]

I've been playing around with a RAM upgrade on the IIci.  I was given 4
4MB, 70ns sticks for it.  It currently shows 8MB installed with what I
assumed were 1MB sticks.  The documentation I have says this model does not
have any on board RAM.

So, I started trying different combinations, to see if it would register
the new RAM. 
4s in Bank A, 1s in Bank B
1s in Bank A, 4s in Bank B
4s in Bank B, nothing in A (chimes of death)
4s in Bank A, nothing in B

I tried zapping PRAM twice after every test.  Every time, it showed the
same thing, 8 MB onboard.  I also made sure that I had 32bit mode turned
on, no difference.

I can understand that possibly I didn't have something seated right on my
tests.  I can't understand why I'm always getting the same results.  It
seems like I would be showing 4MB on at least one of these tests.  It also
seems that the top configuration would be the correct one.  If 70ns RAM is
a bad speed for this machine, it seems like the RAM wouldn't register at
all.  Am I missing something here?  I could test this RAM in another
machine, but I am interested in why I keep getting the same results in this
one.
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Re: Audio in from tape recorder to have word processor show it.

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>
> I want to take a tape recorder with a voice recording and plug it into
> my Mac and have the record words show up in my word processor.The
> correct term maybe to "transcribe" the audio tape voice to the Mac Word
> processor.
>
> Anyone is welcome to share their experience.  Thanks

My experience with this is not in the Mac world.  I use a digital recorder
with transcription software.  This turns the digital recording into a file
that can be read using Via Voice software.  I could be wrong, but I believe
you will need DSS software to transcribe your recording into a format that
other software can translate.


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Re: network admin help needed

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>There isn't a way to bypass the edge connector*
>for the SCSI on those Macs. You'd be better off
>getting a DB25M to CEN50M SCSI cable then finding
>an external SCSI case with the normal internal
>SCSI and power connections. Then you can pull the
>adaptor off the drive and connect it to the external
>SCSI port of the LC520. That setup will come in handy
>a lot if you're planning to do a bunch of work with
>Macs. :)
>
After reading Pickle's post, I did exactly that.  I took out the adapter,
stuck it in an external case and hacked around with the jumpers till I
found a setting that would let me book with it as an external, without
causing confusion.  And I contacted the guy I got them from, who'd found
out the admin password.  One way or another, I'll get this thing working
again.  (And I have some IIsis and a few other machines I could use to hack
around with it.)


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Re: network admin help needed

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>
>That is simply an adaptor plugged onto the SCSI and
>power connectors of the drive. A bit of careful
>prying will have it off there. Most drives use a
>standardized placement of the SCSI and power
>connectors so the adaptor will fit other drives.

Which I would do, except that these are in all in one cases.  It looks like
I'll have to take out the sled that holds the motherboard, to even get to
the cables.  It doesn't look like a quick & easy job *grin*!  I'll play
around with it a bit more and figure out a way to format the drive if it
comes to that.  I got these to play around with, so I want to make sure I
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Re: network admin help needed

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>
>Do your 520s have caddy or tray load CD-ROM drives?
>Manual or auto inject floppy drives?

Caddy CD with auto eject floppies.
>
>If the one has At-Ease installed, you may be able
>to bypass it by changing the SCSI ID and connecting
>it to another Mac so it's not the boot drive.
>Also try disconnecting the drive and doing a PRAM zap
>then boot from a floppy so you can have a look at
>how much RAM it has.
>
I pulled the drive out and it's a 730 MB Quantum Lightning drive.  Looks
like you set the SCSI id by changing the jumper settings.  Like most
jumpers, it's not altogether clear which jumper to change (although it does
have the different combinations on the drive.)  It plugs into the drive
cable using a slot type (rather than a pin type).  I'm not sure I can find
a cable that will plug into it.

I thought I might be able to change the jumper settings to a different
setting and use an external as a master boot.  I might be able to get into
it that way.  I suspect this is a 16MB RAM chip, as that is what is in the
other machine they left the RAM in.  I do think I have At Ease on one of
the machines.  I'll take a look at that and at doing a PRAM zap.  (I can't
do one with the drive in, since it has the keyboard disabled on boot.)  If
all else fails, I'll just do a clean install and be done with it.

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Re: network admin help needed

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At 10:57 AM 05/19/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Have you thought about asking the youth camp for the password?  I'm sure if
>you told them of your situation, they would comply.

Well, I actually got these through a guy who got them from who-knows-where.
 I can check with him, but I'm figuring worse case scenario.

>
>Also, recently a friend of mine needed to work on a mutual friends PC.  The
>PC asked for a password..  Lo and be-hold, the password was the same as the
>login name.

Tried all the quick, logical passwords I could think of.  At work, we
normally set these up with things like "train" or "trainer" for passwords.
If this was actually the server, they'd probably have a less obvious password.

>Out of the 10, this is the only one you are having problems with?  If so,
>why don't you just pull the RAM, and install it in another to find out how
>much it is.

I have one totally dead one, two with the ? floppy displayed at startup.
The rest seem to boot up okay.  They've pulled the RAM out of them, so I'll
need to put in more RAM before I hand them out.  Couple have 1GB hard
drives, which is nice.  They make great CD players *grin*!

>
>Also, isn't there any writings on the HD?  Again, if this is the only
>computer with a problem, than HD's are "cheaply" replaceable.  If there are
>writings, what are they?  Maybe you can research it through a search engine?

Yep, I'll take a look at that next.  I have an external drive I could use
to set up a ghost image for these machines.  That's the plan anyway.  I'm
pulling in the 7.5.3 disks today and will probably take it from there.
Would be nice to see what's on that drive, but reformatting it will be okay
too.

Thanks for the advice.
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network admin help needed

[Teri Pittman]

I picked up 10 LC520s yesterday.  Very nice machines.  These seem to have
been used at a youth camp.  Most of them are set up for a network.  I was
able to boot up with extensions disabled and take off the network stuff on
all except one.  This one has any keyboard sequence disabled on bootup.  It
doesn't seem to want to use a floppy, as it spits them out.  I can't get to
the finder without using an admin password (which I don't have).  I suspect
this may have been the server.

Is there any way to get past this network login?  I've read that
reinstalling the disk drivers will overcome the network admin stuff, but I
don't think I can try that with this one, given that it won't read floppies
until logged in.  Am I stuck just reinstalling the OS?  Or will I
completely have to reformat the drive to clear it?  Right now, I'd just
like to find out how much RAM & how large a HD it has.  I can't even get
that far with it.

TIA
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hardware heart transplant

[Teri Pittman]

Once again, advice needed:

I have the nice IIci that I've mentioned before. Bought a Quadra 700, since
it was cheaper to buy the machine than parts.  I thought I would use this
for the hard drive, as a means to back up the software on the IIci.

Well, the Quadra has a bad floppy drive.  So, I am thinking of moving the
hard drive from the IIci to the Quadra along with the floppy drive.  This
would give me the Quadra case, a faster motherboard with more memory (20MB
as opposed to 8) and I'd still have the Quadra hard drive to use for
backups. The IIci drive has OS 7.1 currently on it.  The Quadra has 8.1,
which I really like. It also has some nice disk tools and troubleshooting
programs I'd like to keep.  I would probably leave it as is for a bit, and
set it up as a backup after I get everything working right.

Any hints/warnings/tips?  Any reason why this wouldn't be a good idea?  
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Boss update

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Boss came by this morning, all smiles.  Picked up a 7200 for his daughter
and is looking for a 9500 for self.




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Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

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> Now less than 2 years after my first mac there are 36 of them being kept
> warm in my flat. Sometimes, a few of them do a little useful work :)
>

Now, that is what I'm afraid of!  I am starting to think of having these all
networked together, with a different version of the OS on each one..

Why Quadras?


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Re: It's not hardware....

[Teri Pittman]

At 11:07 AM 05/07/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Now I am confused.  Why wouldn't you run Yellow Dog Linux instead??
>
>Do you want the polite answer or the rude answer?
>

Either, if we're talking about the software.  The polite one, if we're
talking about me asking the question *grin*!
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Re: It's not hardware....

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>This is a fascinating debate but can we stick to Mac OS *at least*
>and maybe even 68k Macs please, eversonicely.

I'm trying, boss, I'm trying *grin*!
>
>As for comments about masochists and running OS X on a 7300 I refuse
>to air my views here as it's off-topic. Suffice to say it was
>partially succesful though.

Now I am confused.  Why wouldn't you run Yellow Dog Linux instead??
>



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Re: Nearly a gross of IIci's Re: It's not hardware....

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> . .Will anyone ever want a 7100/66 board again? Ever?

I don't know, I haven't worked my way up to that era yet *grin*.  I can tell
you, having paid money for a couple of these ancient machines that there are
a few folks buying them.  Probably just not enough to put a dent in your
collection.

Let's see, I have a Classic, a IIci and next a Quadra.  I figure I'll get a
PPC and an iMac and I'll be set.


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Re: It's not hardware....

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>
> Just get a nice IIci or something 
>
See, that's exactly what I did!  Avoidance of XP leads to IIci, which leads
to this list and lots of questions.  Thanks for your answers.  I'm having a
lot of fun with this ancient hardware and software.


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Re: It's not hardware....

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> What are the  minimums for running XP, and is an  MMX 166 a Pentium  I?
> -- 
Avoiding XP is what got me interested in Macs *grin*!


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Re: It's not hardware....

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>In any meaningful analysis, Apple has
> been much more supportive of their older hardware than any other
> software or hardware company. Go try to find information on 18 year old
> PCs on the IBM or Compaq web sites. Where are their freely downloadable
> versions of classic OS software? Dell and Gateway didn't even exist in
> 1984.
>
Well, the answer to that is simple.  The hardware isn't worth the effort.
Most of the hardware in PCs doesn't hold up that long (with the exception of
IBM, who turn out nice stuff.)  It is possible to find some stuff, like Dr.
DOS & Desqview X.  You certainly won't find any Windows products available.
I think you find more folks in the PC world who piece together their
computer from parts, than you do in the Apple universe.

I'm also sure that the progression of Apple OSs makes perfect sense, if you
were there from the beginning and saw each version as it came out.  It's a
lot more confusing trying to pick it up.I didn't expect such a radical
difference between 7.0 and 7.1 (although I was warned!)



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Re: It's not hardware....

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>
> What won't 7.1 run on that 7.0.1 would?

I ran into that when looking at the specs on Lowendmac.  It said that it was
the last OS for the 68020 and under.  I'm not saying I'm right--just trying
to make some sense out of the Mac OS numbering scheme.
>
> 8.5 was the first PPC-only system, and it came so long after the
> discontinuation of the last 040s that it was actually hurting the
> performance (and thus perceived speed) of the newer Macs.  Remember, 8.5
> didn't ship until six months *after* the iMac was announced, and three
> months after it was introduced!
>
> OS X's lack of older Mac support has probably hurt more, but as someone
> who's tried it on a "supported" Mac, I really wonder who these masochists
> are who want to run it on a 7300...
>
What prompted all this, is that one of my favorite Palm software companies
came out with a desktop version that runs on OS X.  Plans are to finish the
Windows desktop next, then support OS 9 in the Mac world (maybe).  It seems
to be hurting sales.  I'm wondering if they would have been better off
supporting OS 9 and OS X at a later date.  Which lead to the deep thoughts
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It's not hardware....

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I have a quick question and don't want to drag the list too far off topic.

It seems that Apple has had at least three instances where they've
developed a new operating system that simply won't work on their older
hardware.  7.1 seems to be the first, followed by PPC only (8.2?), followed
by OS X.  That's only happened once in the Windoze world that I know of
(Win95).  Am I right about this?  Is this one of the things that has
affected sales?

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Re: software strategy needed

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That's kinda what I'm thinking.  I might play around a bit with 8.1.  I
guess another alternative would be to pick up a larger hard drive, copy
everything over from the IIci and keep the one with 8.1 installed, in case
I want to use it at a later date.

Am I correct in assuming that I could network these and drag the IIci hard
drive to the icon for the Quadra to completely copy the drive?


>
>If it were me, I'd drop the 700 down to 7.1.3.  But that's me.
>
>the pickle
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software strategy needed

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I am picking up a Quadra 700, to keep the IIci company.  I have some great
software on the IIci that I want to keep using.  I don't have the original
disks and don't have a great way to back it up.  My thinking was to mirror
the IIci disk on the Quadra and use the Quadra as my main machine (more RAM
and faster).

The IIci was upgraded to 7.1.3 and I'm happy with that.  The Quadra comes
with 8.1.  I'm concerned that some of my programs won't run on that OS.
So, what would be the most harmonius thing to do?  Upgrade the IIci to
7.5.3 and downgrade the Quadra to that?  Make them both run 7.1.3?  Keep
the Quadra at 8.1 as long as the programs run okay when copied over?  I
spent most of the day looking for comparisions of the OSs but my best
information is the bit on Lowendmac.  IIci only has 8MB of RAM, while the
Quadra has 20.  They both have 250MB hard drives.

Speaking of, are there any sites that really talk about the different Mac
OS versions?  I ran into some sites where they loved 8.1, others where it
caused nothing but trouble. At this point, I'm mostly concerned about
having a decent backup of this software, until I get a chance to play
around with it.  I will eventually upgrade the programs that I actually use.

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Re: 7.1 font problem

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>
> I am at a loss as to what system you are now talking about, but System 7.0
> doesn't have a fonts folder; that was new in System 7.1. In System 7.0.1
and
> earlier, fonts are stored inside the System suitcase.
>

The fonts seem to be packed inside of Suitcase 2.0.  I had this program set
up on OS 7.0.1 and I could use Suitcase to view and check out fonts.  After
upgrading to 7.1, the extension for Suitcase doesn't work.  The computer
locks up while trying to load it.  This makes sense, since Suitcase seems to
load like Chooser or Finder--it shows up when you click on the icon at the
left menu bar.

I tried copying the extension over to the classic Mac.  It loads okay there
and does show the full list of fonts.  It can't actually FIND these fonts,
so I believe that they still exist on the IIci, packed away so that they
can't be accessed by anything but Suitcase.  The fix to recover them seems
to be to upgrade to Suitcase 2.1 which was designed to work with OS 7.1.
That's what I'm going to do--I think I've located a copy of the software to
fix it.

It looks like whatever Postscript fonts I had were located in the System
folder and I moved them to the new Fonts folder after the upgrade.  The
missing fonts are probably True Type fonts.  Once I have Suitcase upgraded,
I should be back in business.


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Re: 7.1 font problem

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At 09:43 AM 04/28/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>I am checking my backup to see if these fonts were in the earlier font
>folder.  If they aren't, I'd like to go back to 7.0.1 long enough to use
>Suitcase to move those fonts onto the hard drive (it seem weird to think
>they could all be kept in the extension but that may be the case.)

I checked the system folder backup and do not seem to have a Font folder at
all.  Also took a look at the Suitcase extension, which is 108K in size.
That doesn't seem large enough to hold fonts.  I think what I am missing
are the True Type fonts.  I'm still looking into this, but am not seeing
anything that looks like the missing fonts.

I do have one other option.  I have an old Mac all in one.  I do have the
Font/DA mover for Suitcase that works with OS 6.  I might try putting
Suitcase on a floppy, moving the whole thing over to the old Mac and taking
a look at it on that machine.  Any other ideas are welcome!  The IIci seems
to run a bit snappier on OS 7.1.  I'd just like to find where those fonts
are hidden.  Might download Resedit and take a look at the Suitcase extension.

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7.1 font problem

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When I did the upgrade from 7.0.1 to 7.1, it seems to have made Suitcase
2.0 non-functional.  I cannot get the extension to load.  I found the
postscript fonts in the extensions folder in the system folder.  I seem to
be missing a bunch of fonts that I know were installed and viewable under
Suitcase.

I am checking my backup to see if these fonts were in the earlier font
folder.  If they aren't, I'd like to go back to 7.0.1 long enough to use
Suitcase to move those fonts onto the hard drive (it seem weird to think
they could all be kept in the extension but that may be the case.)

Can I temporarily move the 7.1 system file to a floppy, either boot with
the 7.0.1 disk or copy my old system file back long enough to do this?  Or
am I causing an huge mess that will result in nothing working?  I'm
considering rolling the upgrade back completely, if there's no other way to
fix it.
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System 7.1 upgrade

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I seem to have upgraded from system 7.0.1 to system 7.1 without too many
problems.  The only thing, so far, that is not working is the extension to
Suitcase 2.0.  Does anyone know if there really is a problem with this
version?  If so, am I stuck having to find an upgrade to it?



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upgrading system software

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A couple of random upgrade questions:

I have downloaded the System 7.1 disks and would like to upgrade from
7.0.1.  I'm planning to try to do a backup first, since I don't have the
original disks of the software on the computer.  (I do have the original
System 7.0.1 disks).

It looks like StuffIt can be used to backup across multiple floppies.  I
haven't had a chance to try this yet, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has
used it for this.  I was able to copy many of the files onto floppies, but
the main program file was generally too large.  Having the whole thing
compressed would be a huge help.

The files for System 7.1 are disk images and are the right size to fit on a
floppy.  I know there's info online about using disk images, so I'll check
this out before I try the upgrade.  What I am not finding is good
information on exactly HOW to do the upgrade.  It looks like the Installer
will take over the process, if I manage to get them onto the floppy
properly.  I do have the Disk Copy program installed now.  If you know of
any online documentation that would be useful, please let me know.  (This
is one of the things I find irritating about Mac books.  They have lots of
stuff on the basics and reviews on programs.  Damn little on upgrading the
operating system, or properly deleting and cleaning up a program.)

Thanks for the help!  Couldn't have gotten it online without it!
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online at last

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I finally have the problem fixed.  I reinstalled MacTCP and it works now.
For the record, Open Transport isn't an option when working with floppies.
It's too big.  I'm trying to get a decent browser installed, as I went with
MacWeb (again, because it fit on a floppy).  It's interesting to get my
error messages in French, but it won't let me into Gamba's site and I get
errors at Jag's House.  I can at least put a decent browser on my site and
download from there.

Thanks for all the help!
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Re: OT - Re: Apple and Polaroid.

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At 01:14 PM 04/21/2002 +0200, you wrote:
 
>Linux is here to stay and will begin to liberate more desktops, it'll never 
>over run Windaze PCs or Macs, it will simple co-exist. 

Not until there are more drivers and it requires less maintenance.  Never
could get the modem to work properly, as it had a Rockwell chip and there
wasn't anything in the Linux world to support the compression.  I could get
it to run at 2400 baud under Seyon, but that was it.

Sorta similar to what I'm going through configuring PPP this time, although
I think I'll get this to work eventually.
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internet connectivity round three

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I have MacTCP installed.  I installed PPP 2.5, but it kicked and complained
that I didn't have OS 7.1.  Trashed it, downloaded & installed PPP 2.01.  I
still can't open a connection.  When I try to open the TCP panel to check
the settings, I get a system -39 error.  Modem seems to be plugged in and
the phone jack works fine.

I am tempted at this point, to start the Mac without extensions, trash all
the above and reinstall TCP & PPP again.  I used the instructions linked at
Gamba's site to configure TCP.  I do have my ISP's IP address and I set the
rest of it as per the instructions.  I did not use any modem init strings,
so I could give that a try.  Modem is Supra Diamond 33.6 and should use
pretty standard inits.  I also tried using a slower speed on the modem, as
that will sometimes do the trick.  PPP does not seem to see the modem at all.

Any ideas?
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Re: internet connectivity round two

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At 05:58 PM 04/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>
>The trick is to NOT unstuff from .sit or decode
>from .bin or .hqx on the PC. TransMac can do the
>decoding from .bin and .hqx on the fly while it
>copies to the Mac floppy. Poke around the options
>on TransMac and experiment until you get it right. :)
>

Ah, that makes sense.  I'm trying something like that now (putting stuff it
on the Mac and putting the files on without decoding first.)

To tell the truth, I was doing this from my main PC, and the floppy seems
to have died.  So I transferred to the laptop, then to a floppy.  Figured
there were just too many steps in that process.  It does sound like I can
cancel the windows download of Stuff-it to unstuff the mac version *grin*!
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internet connectivity round two

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Well, I'm pretty confident I could configure this, if I could ever get the
programs to install.

I'm having to use TransMac to put files onto a Mac formated floppy, so that
I can get them onto the Mac. I'm trying to get PPP & MacTCP.  When I copy
them, they show zero bytes, which is okay because they seem to actually be
copying something.  When I put them on the Mac, it says it can't read them
because it doesn't know what program they were created by.  Bottom line is
that I can't get any actual control panels that let me configure anything.
I also suspect that the extension is not being read correctly.  Any tips
would be appreciated--I'm finding good info on configuration but not on
what's causing this problem.  IIci, OS 7.0.1
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Re: need internet connectivity help

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At 06:48 AM 04/20/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> iCab is good, and the Evil Empire's IE 4.1 will
>be OK.  Eudora is a good e-mailer.
>

I'm gonna try iCab, since my website is in CSS and I'd like to be set up so
I can view it.  The memory issue is just for this month--I'll be adding
more RAM next month and maybe a larger HD.  I will try Ram Doubler in the
meantime.

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need internet connectivity help

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Mac--IIci with 8MB ram, 250 MB hard drive with about half empty, OS 7.0.1
Modem--Supra external 33.6
Software--free ppp 262, mactcp

Do I have the right software to set this thing up?  I read through Low End
Mac most of the day and am still unclear, mostly about whether this
software will work with this operating system.  I also downloaded the 7.5.3
upgrade, but would rather not install that at this point, if I don't have to.

Modem seems to work okay (I tested it with a Hypercard dialing program and
it does dial out okay.)  It sounds like I can connect without Open
Transport, but am not sure if MacTCP is enough to do the trick.

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Re: MY FIRST SYSTEM CRASH

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Couldn't you take the hard drive from the headless mac, make that the
primary on the crippled mac, hook the hard drive from the crippled mac up as
drive number two and then copy the files to fix it?  You'd need a SCSI
terminator, I'd think.  You would also need to change the drive numbers, so
it would boot from the right drive.


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Re: video card vs monitor question

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At 07:49 PM 04/14/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I have  about four PC monitors sitting around waiting to be tried out on
>my IIfx, as well as an apple multiscan 15. I purchased a radius
>precisioncolor 24 bit video nubus card over the swaplist and it's here
>now.  

I'm certainly not an expert, but my radius card works fine with an Apple
17" multi-sync on the IIci.  In fact, everything's working so fine that I
don't have any questions right now.  (Just wait till the modem & cache card
get here!)
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basic networking question

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I am curious about what networking topology Apple used for Apple Talk.  Is
this star, bus, ring, or something completely different. 

Having wasted a year of my life getting a CNE, I try not to dig too deep
into networking topics.  The discussion does make me a bit curious.  If
there are more good sites on basic Apple networking, please let me know.
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Re: Internet jiggery pokery

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> >If you don't have DNS, you'd better know the IP address you're trying to
> >connect to. You need it to resolve the name.  I've seen lack of DHCP
cause
>
> Not gonna be much use to try connecting if the modem isn't there, now is
it? :)
>
Would be the same thing for an intranet.  It resolves the IP address to the
name.


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Re: Internet jiggery pokery

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> DNS and DHCP are irrelevant if you're not connected to the Internet, or am
> I missing something important?
>

If you don't have DNS, you'd better know the IP address you're trying to
connect to. You need it to resolve the name.  I've seen lack of DHCP cause
problems with email, although I can't remember exactly why right now.


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Re: CD-ROM inside. Re: Yet another IIci question

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At 04:30 PM 04/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Make a spacer to fit between the lid and the case.
>Step the top edge in to mimic the top edge of the
>case. Some sheet metal should work. Any heating
>and air conditioning shop should be able to make
>up the spacer and roll the top edge to make the
>step. 

Not unless I'm gonna put fins and chrome headlights on it too *grin*!
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Yet another IIci question

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Okay, while we're all out happily hunting accelerator cards.

I take it that the best way to add a modem to a IIci is to get an external
serial port type.  Am I right or am I missing something?  I do know that
externals are generally more stable, but have used internals in the PCs
I've owned.

Also, about adding a CD, I'm guessing I would want an external SCSI CD.
I'm still waiting on this computer to arrive, but I understand space is
pretty limited inside.

Oh yeah, hard drive upgrades (it has 280MB presently).  I take it that this
would be set up with multiple partitions, since OS 7.1 can't handle larger
disks.  

I'm also a bit confused about when to use Mode 32.  I am still working my
way through the LowEndMac site, so feel free to point me to documentation
on that site.

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Re: Another IIci question

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At 11:51 PM 04/05/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>9.1 is OK on a 110Mhz 601 PowerMac but on a 100Mhz
>Power IIci with its 25Mhz bus speed would be
>torture that not even an Al Queda terrorist should
>be subjected to. ;-) 
>

Thank you, Gregg.  That's pretty much what I thought I was reading (except
I wasn't aware of the OS versions involved).  I'm starting to think the
wisest course for this IIci is to max it out on RAM, play around with it a
bit, and keep my eye out for a cheap Power Mac or G3 or 4.
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Re: Another IIci question

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> You *do* realise how much those cost, right?

Well, at this point, I'm surfing ebay *grin*!  Since I keep reading that
this is a good upgrade, I'm trying to learn as much about it as I can.
First upgrade will probably be more RAM, as it only has 8MB on board.
>
> It'd be cheaper to get a 7100 mobo and cram it in there, which would give
> you a native PPC-based motherboard for about 1/10 the price of a Turbo
601.
> You'd need new RAM, of course, but everything else would transfer right
> over...
>
So the 7100 uses 72 pin SIMMs?  I haven't really checked the specs on those
yet.  The IIci was set up as a desktop publishing computer and it has quite
a few programs installed on it.  I would need to make sure that they are PPC
compatible, right?

I do try to read up on stuff first, so I won't ask too many stupid
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Another IIci question

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Okay, this question concerns accelerators and cache cards.  I've been
reading about accelerator cards for the IIci and it sounds like the Daystar
Turbo 601 would be a good match.  I'm seeing NuBus and PDS cards.  I
understand that these are different type slots.  Is one type preferable over
the other?  The information on Low End Mac seems to indicate that you can't
have both cache & accelerator cards on the system.  Is that correct?  Given
the fact that there seem to be Quadra 700 motherboards available, would I be
better off to get one of these & replace the original motherboard, instead
of using an accelerator.

Feel free to point me to a website that might have more information.  I'm
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monitor question

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I'm buying a IIci with a Radius video card.  I've been told this machine
used to run a 19" monitor.  I'm looking at a 17" apple monitor that is a
multiscan.  It's my understanding, from what I've read, that I should be
able to use this monitor.  Am I way off?  Should I be looking at a 14" RGB
apple monitor instead?

Thanks for you help--it's my first Mac and I'm sure I'll have more
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