RE: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You Hand It To

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Thank you all for contributing to this thread.  In an effort to reduce list 
traffic, I will reply to your respective comments in this single post:

1.
Alan,
You do not need to hand your device to anyone in order to use Apple Pay.  In 
fact, in order to successfully complete a transaction, you must have your 
finger on the Touch ID sensor.

2.
Teresa,
You do not bump your device against anything when using Apple Pay via NFC; but 
merely pass your device over/near the transaction terminal.  Generally 
speaking, just hover your phone about an inch above where a person would sign 
her/his name.  

3.
Chris, 
Yes, many vendors use a portable scanner in order to acquire the bar code, 
however, some virtual cards don’t have a bar code but merely a series of 
numbers that a clerk must enter into the system, manually.  

4.
Wayne,
There is an excellent free app that is completely VoiceOver friendly called 
stocards.  After installing the app, simply scan the bar code of your store 
reward card via the camera.  This app uses iPhone/VoiceOver standard buttons 
and gestures.  

5.
David, 
You got it right, my friend; that’s exactly what happened.  

6.
Robin,
Believe it or not, there are many brick & mortar businesses that do not use 
portable scanners, yet.

7.
Rose,
It saddens me greatly to hear that you are still unable to use your phone’s 
Touch ID sensor.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You 
Hand It To

The only times I have given my phone to store or restaurant personnel were when 
using he Amazon Local app, so they could get the displayed coupon code. Once 
they got the code, they gave the phone back to me.

Wayne

On 2/21/15, Rose Combs  wrote:
> Well, that is one worry I don't have, since I can't get a fingerprint 
> on my
> 6 and have tried more than once, Apple pay and reward are out for me, 
> and give me no reason to hand my phone to a clerk!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who 
> You Hand It To
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am absolutely in love with the Passbook App and Apple Pay feature on 
> my iPhone 6 Plus.
>
> The number of brick & mortar stores in my area that accept Apple Pay 
> transactions via the NFC protocol is relatively high.  As a result, I 
> find myself using my iPhone to make purchases at least once a week, 
> sometimes even more.
>
> The one thing I would like to see added to the Passbook app is the 
> ability to quickly and easily add store reward cards without first 
> having to install a store-specific app.
>
> Now I am well aware of the fact that there are a growing number of 
> third-party apps and websites that will facilitate the creation of a 
> passbook pass, however, given the recent data security breeches across 
> the web, I am reluctant to give out any private purchasing information 
> to third-party, and as far as I am concerned, unvetted entities.
>
> Given my recent success with Passbook, I have been considering 
> virtualizing all of my store-specific reward cards by installing an 
> app such as KeyRing or Stocards.
>
> Using such an app would allow me to quickly display the virtual card 
> on my phone's display allowing it to be scanned at the time of purchase.
>
> I was planning on downloading a few such apps this evening when, 
> earlier today, while in a brick & mortar store, I witnessed a customer 
> hand her iPhone 6 Plus, with a virtual reward card displayed on the 
> screen, to a store employee in order for the employee to scan the bar code.
>
> To everyone's surprise, the employee dropped the iPhone.  Because of a 
> convergence of circumstances, the phone landed on the floor.  Not 
> good. The customer was, to put it mildly, furious.
>
> After having seen this, I'm not certain if I want to use virtual store 
> reward cards if doing so means that I must first hand my device to a 
> store employee.
>
> A virtual reward card on your iPhone 6 Plus, be careful who you hand it to.
>
> Mark
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Re: Saving documents in icloud in voice dream writer

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Anna,

Thank you for replying.  I will see whether deleting all the previous edits 
will help.  I too struggled to find the way to close the file and as you said, 
you can only do it if you add another file to the Writer.  I hope the developer 
is going to provide this facility.  I like the Writer a lot so I do hope for 
some improvements.  More interestingly, in yet another attempt to solve the 
issue, I tried to export my .txt file into .rtf file to obtain the last edit 
but having done so, I I could not find the .rtf file at all in the Writer 
folder in icloud drive which is where I had chosen to save the file.  Anna, can 
you recommend another application that would work seamlessly between iphone and 
mac using icloud drive or dropbox?  I find Pages unsatisfactory because when 
I'm on cellular connection away from home, my edits don't get passed att all 
into the icloud drive, and I don't understand why.  I had a correspondence 
about this with Tim on the list and he seems to have no problem with this in 
Pages but I can't make it work.  This is pretty irritating to me because I keep 
getting new apps and I can't find the solution to a simple thing that is 
supposed to work, i.e. editing a file between iphone and mac and being sure 
that the changes are going to be there when I get home.

Sorry for this long post.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 21 Feb 2015, at 22:44, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I've been able to do just as you say - open a file in Writer, make changes, 
> then open that file on my computer and edit. I've also started a file on the 
> computer and opened it in Writer. I wonder if you have multiple edits and 
> might have better luck if you deleted all but the most recent one.
> 
> I have had a problem where the last thing I typed in Writer wasn't saved. I 
> wish there was a way to close a file when I'm done with it in Writer, but the 
> only option seems to be opening a different file.
> 
> Sorry I can't be of more help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> What is your experience of saving documents into icloud in voice dream 
>> writer?  I assumed since this facility existed that I could save a document 
>> into iCloud and once it's saved, I could then open it on my mac or another 
>> iDevice, add some text, and then open it again in voice dream writer.  But 
>> this doesn't seem to be the case.  Voice dream writer saves versions of the 
>> document in icloud giving them numbers after the name but I can't open them 
>> on my mac to edit them or add content.  I am also struggling to find a way 
>> of closing a document in voice dream writer.  There doesn't seem to be a way 
>> of doing so at all.  I am struggling to understand how icloud function is 
>> supposed to work in voice dream writer.  I've read the help file but it 
>> doesn't seem to make things clear. I wrote to the developer a few days ago 
>> but as yet I've not heard.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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The Facebook app update

[Peggy Fleischer]

Hello,
I have discovered that if you uninstall the Facebook app and then reinstall it 
it will stop the crashing.


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How do I run a spell check on a Pages document on my IPad?

[Eleanor Roberts]

Hi all 

Just wondering if anyone can help. I'm currently writing a document in Pages on 
my IPad. I'm now at the stage where I need/would like to run a spell check on 
the document  before sending it off. However, I can't seem to find hhow to do 
this. So does anyone know if spell check in pages is possible on the IPad?, and 
if so how you do it? 

Thanks. 

Eleanor 

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Does anyone know how I can use the Microsoft Word app on my IPad in conjunction with ICloud?

[Eleanor Roberts]

> Hi all 
> 
> I've got the Microsoft Word app on my IPad. In the most recent updates it's 
> said that you can now use the app in conjunction with ICloud (saving 
> documents onto the cloud etc). I'd really like to do this, but can't work out 
> how/where I need to go to set that up. Does anyone have any ideas? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Eleanor 

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RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with Jonathan's thoughts in his blog post that Apple's commitment to 
accessibility is as strong as ever. I also believe that the move towards doing 
a public beta run is definitely good and given all the talk about how iOS 9 
will be all about fixing bugs I am very hopeful that Apple is indeed serious 
about that. If so I am quite sure that Voiceover bugs will also get some 
attention. I still think, however, we should all send feedback to Apple via 
emails to Apple accessibility as well as by using the official Feedback link 
and maybe other channels like Tim Cook's Twitter feed to suggest that blind 
public beta testers maybe have a special channel to report bugs directly to the 
software engineers who are in charge of Voiceover. I think Apple could once 
again break new ground by making this possible and by showing they can act on 
serious bug reports quickly.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

I haven't read the articles on this public beta yet, but it takes more than a 
public beta to squash bugs. There also has to be a commitment from Apple to put 
resources into fixing the reported bugs. As Sieghard says below, many of the 
bugs we're still seeing now in IOS 8 were reported during the beta, so it isn't 
an issue of Apple not knowing the bugs were out there.

Given that this is a public beta and the blind community is so small, I'd also 
be concerned a bit that bugs just affecting the blind VoiceOver user might get 
drowned out by the bugs affecting so many other users. 
Obviously, fixing any bug will help all IOS users, including the blind, but 
Apple will need to continue to be committed to accessibility and fix VoiceOver 
bugs even if they only affect blind users.

On 02/21/2015 11:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite 
> is one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to 
> wait until iOS 9.3 or so.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Devin,
>>
>> A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying 
>> ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which 
>> means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not 
>> fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom 
>> row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos 
>> till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of 
>> issues for braille users.
>>
>> Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is 
>> not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 
>> Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, 
>> but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon.
>>
>> Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced 
>> iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is 
>> expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This 
>> means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before 
>> then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release 
>> and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. 
>> They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the 
>> majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming 
>> Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which 
>> states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 
>> months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course 
>> have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing 
>> bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is 
>> rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I 
>> think we do have good things to look forward to th
is year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of 
that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 
public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for 
that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially 
and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that 
once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to 
be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots 
specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, 
but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody 
else..
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphon

RE: The Facebook app update

[Nicki keck]

Mine doesn't crash, but I do wish it showed me a bit more of my news feed when 
I go into more and most recent.  Even refreshing content doesn't give me more 
than like 40 updates.

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Peggy Fleischer
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:54 AM
To: Theiphone
Subject: The Facebook app update

Hello,
I have discovered that if you uninstall the Facebook app and then reinstall it 
it will stop the crashing.


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RE: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You Hand It To

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I recently read somewhere that in one of the upcoming iOS versions the Passbook 
app will be improved to offer such functionality. I think ultimately we may 
look forward to when the Passbook app knows that you are in a particular store 
and where your rewards card is displayed right on the lockscreen so you can 
show it without even having to unlock your phone. This is how electronic 
boarding passes work now, if I add a flight to the Air Canada app I can check 
in for that flight 24 hours before and once I am done I have the option to add 
the boarding app to Passbook. Once I do that, the boarding pass is on my lock 
screen just like a notification and I can double tap on it to display it 
including the barcode which gets scanned at the security gate.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You 
Hand It To

While this is concerning, I would be more interested to know if the
virtual apps that store reward cards are even accessible to blind/low
vision users. And if so, then how do you transfer your reward cards
from the individual apps to the one that stores them all? Finally,
anyone know of such an app to sore reward cards?

I realize that this thought is after the fact and may not help Mark,
but this is a good reason for having a case on your phone. Granted,
the employee shouldn't have dropped the phone in the first place, but
accidents happen.

Wayne

On 2/21/15, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> I could be wrong, but isn't the device the clerk uses to scan your rewards
> card on a cord?  Could you not just hold your phone out toward the clerk
> face up and they scan the screen of the phone that way?
> Like everybody else, I would be a little nervous just handing over my phone.
>  The way I do it now is, I just give the clerk my phone number and they pull
> up my rewards information that way.  To me, that is easy short and sweet!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>
>> I thought I'd heard that there are kiosks you can use to bump your phone
>> against, similar to using AirDrop? I don't think I'd be comfortable
>> handing the device to someone, but I have to think that eventually things
>> will be set up so you can use a device and do it yourself.
>>
>> Teresa
>>
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this. If using apple Pay or any of these smartphone
>>> payment options that are looming ever closer require me to pass my device
>>> to someone else, I'm not sure I'll ever use them. My electronics last a
>>> long time because I'm the one in control of them. There are just too many
>>> butterfingers in the world.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 2:17 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Hello All,

 I am absolutely in love with the Passbook App and Apple Pay feature on
 my
 iPhone 6 Plus.

 The number of brick & mortar stores in my area that accept Apple Pay
 transactions via the NFC protocol is relatively high.  As a result, I
 find
 myself using my iPhone to make purchases at least once a week,
 sometimes
 even more.

 The one thing I would like to see added to the Passbook app is the
 ability
 to quickly and easily add store reward cards without first having to
 install
 a store-specific app.

 Now I am well aware of the fact that there are a growing number of
 third-party apps and websites that will facilitate the creation of a
 passbook pass, however, given the recent data security breeches across
 the
 web, I am reluctant to give out any private purchasing information to
 third-party, and as far as I am concerned, unvetted entities.

 Given my recent success with Passbook, I have been considering
 virtualizing
 all of my store-specific reward cards by installing an app such as
 KeyRing
 or Stocards.

 Using such an app would allow me to quickly display the virtual card on
 my
 phone's display allowing it to be scanned at the time of purchase.

 I was planning on downloading a few such apps this evening when,
 earlier
 today, while in a brick & mortar store, I witnessed a customer hand her
 iPhone 6 Plus, with a virtual reward card displayed on the screen, to a
 store employee in order for the employee to scan the bar code.

 To everyone's surprise, the employee dropped the iPhone.  Because of a
 convergence of circumstances, the phone landed on the floor.  Not good.
 The
 customer was, to put it mildly, fur

Microsoft Word app on my IPad

[Ann Byrne]

How accessible is that app with VoiceOver???

thanks,


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Pass book, used to be: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You Hand It To

[Tom Rash]

I have a Walgreens reward card.  It used to show up when I was in the store
automatically.  Now I have to bring it up.  Does that have something to do
with Pass Book, and should I be able to do something about that? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You
Hand It To

I recently read somewhere that in one of the upcoming iOS versions the
Passbook app will be improved to offer such functionality. I think
ultimately we may look forward to when the Passbook app knows that you are
in a particular store and where your rewards card is displayed right on the
lockscreen so you can show it without even having to unlock your phone. This
is how electronic boarding passes work now, if I add a flight to the Air
Canada app I can check in for that flight 24 hours before and once I am done
I have the option to add the boarding app to Passbook. Once I do that, the
boarding pass is on my lock screen just like a notification and I can double
tap on it to display it including the barcode which gets scanned at the
security gate.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Virtual Reward Card On Your iPhone 6 Plus, Be Careful Who You
Hand It To

While this is concerning, I would be more interested to know if the virtual
apps that store reward cards are even accessible to blind/low vision users.
And if so, then how do you transfer your reward cards from the individual
apps to the one that stores them all? Finally, anyone know of such an app to
sore reward cards?

I realize that this thought is after the fact and may not help Mark, but
this is a good reason for having a case on your phone. Granted, the employee
shouldn't have dropped the phone in the first place, but accidents happen.

Wayne

On 2/21/15, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> I could be wrong, but isn't the device the clerk uses to scan your 
> rewards card on a cord?  Could you not just hold your phone out toward 
> the clerk face up and they scan the screen of the phone that way?
> Like everybody else, I would be a little nervous just handing over my
phone.
>  The way I do it now is, I just give the clerk my phone number and 
> they pull up my rewards information that way.  To me, that is easy short
and sweet!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>
>> I thought I'd heard that there are kiosks you can use to bump your 
>> phone against, similar to using AirDrop? I don't think I'd be 
>> comfortable handing the device to someone, but I have to think that 
>> eventually things will be set up so you can use a device and do it
yourself.
>>
>> Teresa
>>
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and 
>> seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this. If using apple Pay or any of these 
>>> smartphone payment options that are looming ever closer require me 
>>> to pass my device to someone else, I'm not sure I'll ever use them. 
>>> My electronics last a long time because I'm the one in control of 
>>> them. There are just too many butterfingers in the world.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 2:17 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Hello All,

 I am absolutely in love with the Passbook App and Apple Pay feature 
 on my iPhone 6 Plus.

 The number of brick & mortar stores in my area that accept Apple 
 Pay transactions via the NFC protocol is relatively high.  As a 
 result, I find myself using my iPhone to make purchases at least 
 once a week, sometimes even more.

 The one thing I would like to see added to the Passbook app is the 
 ability to quickly and easily add store reward cards without first 
 having to install a store-specific app.

 Now I am well aware of the fact that there are a growing number of 
 third-party apps and websites that will facilitate the creation of 
 a passbook pass, however, given the recent data security breeches 
 across the web, I am reluctant to give out any private purchasing 
 information to third-party, and as far as I am concerned, unvetted 
 entities.

 Given my recent success with Passbook, I have been considering 
 virtualizing all of my store-specific reward cards by installing an 
 app such as KeyRing or Stocards.

 Using such an app would allow me to quickly display the virtual 
 card on my phone's display allowing it to be scanned at the time of 
 purchase.

 I was planning on downloading

RE: iPhone not speaking properly

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Christine,

Before doing anything drastic, start by plugging inathe Apple Earpods and see 
if you can hear Voiceover. Yes, maybe somehow Voiceover got turned off and 
certainly asking SIRI to turn it on won't hurt since if it is on SIRI will tell 
you so. My guess is that maybe your volume has dropped to 0 which can sometimes 
happen. Since the volume control for headphones and for the external speaker 
are independent, usually Voiceover can be heard with headphones. If this is the 
case you know it's simply a volume issue. Here is what you would do in this 
case:

1. Wit the headset plugged in, make sure the phone is unlocked and at the home 
screen.
2. Unplug the headset.
3. Do a 3-finger swipe up, i.e. swipe up from the bottom of the phone towards 
the top with 3 fingers. This will start Voiceover reading all the apps on the 
home screen.
4. Now repeatedly press the volume up button, after a few presses you should 
start to hear Voiceover and you can continue to press volume up until the 
volume is where you want it to be.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
KristeenHughes
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 3:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone not speaking properly

My iPhone 6 with the latest iOS was working properly earlier today. I locked it 
and set it aside. When I tried to use it awhile ago, it would not speak to me 
when pressing the home button or the power button to unlock it. I have no 
sounds unless I press and hold the home button. Then I get Siri and sometimes 
the VO message that says, “tap to start Siri”, but when I then press the home 
key again so that I can unlock the phone, all is silent, no VO, no beeps or 
clicks.

I can’t reboot the phone. It will not allow it.

I connected it to my computer and all looks okay. I then ejected it and 
unplugged it and all is the same. Siri is now not available because my pass 
code is needed after a restart, but since there is no speech, I can’t enter it. 
Pressing the home key results in silence. When I connect the iPhone there isn’t 
the usual connecting sound.

I have connected it to the computer again because I want to restore it, but I 
can’t do that because it says I have to turn off the “find my iPhone” from the 
phone, which I can’t manage without speech. Am I stuck, or is there something 
else I can do that doesn’t require sighted assistance?

Thanks.

Kristeen

.  an

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Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Tom Frank]

Okay guys,
I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my wife. 
I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we all no, 
sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it for her 
for Christmas. 
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
> 
> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
> feedback how it fairs.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim Ruby" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> 
> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
> app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
> install.
> 
> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
> price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For 
> that price you should get both.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of RobH.
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth that
> to know the answer maybe?
> 
> 
> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
> geography.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Nancy Badger" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> 
> Hello,
> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
> any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it until
> I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
> Thanks for any help.
> Nancy
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: The Facebook app update

[Hope Paulos]

To get more items to show up on your newsfeed, I do a three finger swipe up.

Hope Paulos

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Nicki keck  wrote:
> 
> Mine doesn't crash, but I do wish it showed me a bit more of my news feed 
> when I go into more and most recent.  Even refreshing content doesn't give me 
> more than like 40 updates.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peggy Fleischer
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:54 AM
> To: Theiphone
> Subject: The Facebook app update
> 
> Hello,
> I have discovered that if you uninstall the Facebook app and then reinstall 
> it it will stop the crashing.
> 
> 
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Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Tom Frank]

Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up in 
the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three hundred 
percent.  

However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I have 
had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already worth 
30 dollars to me.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
> 
> Okay guys,
> I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
> wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we 
> all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it 
> for her for Christmas. 
> Tom Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH. > > wrote:
>> 
>> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
>> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
>> feedback how it fairs.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jim Ruby" mailto:j...@blindsea.com>>
>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
>> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
>> 
>> 
>> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
>> app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
>> install.
>> 
>> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
>> price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For 
>> that price you should get both.
>> 
>> Just my opinion.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf 
>> Of RobH.
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>> 
>> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
>> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
>> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
>> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
>> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
>> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
>> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth that
>> to know the answer maybe?
>> 
>> 
>> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
>> geography.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Nancy Badger" mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>>
>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
>> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
>> any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it until
>> I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

[Jim Ruby]

Yes, that would be a good idea, hope things will work out for the better for us 
and apple.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

I agree with Jonathan's thoughts in his blog post that Apple's commitment to 
accessibility is as strong as ever. I also believe that the move towards doing 
a public beta run is definitely good and given all the talk about how iOS 9 
will be all about fixing bugs I am very hopeful that Apple is indeed serious 
about that. If so I am quite sure that Voiceover bugs will also get some 
attention. I still think, however, we should all send feedback to Apple via 
emails to Apple accessibility as well as by using the official Feedback link 
and maybe other channels like Tim Cook's Twitter feed to suggest that blind 
public beta testers maybe have a special channel to report bugs directly to the 
software engineers who are in charge of Voiceover. I think Apple could once 
again break new ground by making this possible and by showing they can act on 
serious bug reports quickly.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

I haven't read the articles on this public beta yet, but it takes more than a 
public beta to squash bugs. There also has to be a commitment from Apple to put 
resources into fixing the reported bugs. As Sieghard says below, many of the 
bugs we're still seeing now in IOS 8 were reported during the beta, so it isn't 
an issue of Apple not knowing the bugs were out there.

Given that this is a public beta and the blind community is so small, I'd also 
be concerned a bit that bugs just affecting the blind VoiceOver user might get 
drowned out by the bugs affecting so many other users. 
Obviously, fixing any bug will help all IOS users, including the blind, but 
Apple will need to continue to be committed to accessibility and fix VoiceOver 
bugs even if they only affect blind users.

On 02/21/2015 11:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite 
> is one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to 
> wait until iOS 9.3 or so.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Devin,
>>
>> A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying 
>> ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which 
>> means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not 
>> fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom 
>> row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos 
>> till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of 
>> issues for braille users.
>>
>> Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is 
>> not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 
>> Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, 
>> but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon.
>>
>> Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced 
>> iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is 
>> expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This 
>> means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before 
>> then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release 
>> and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3.
>> They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the 
>> majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming 
>> Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which 
>> states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 
>> months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course 
>> have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing 
>> bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is 
>> rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I 
>> think we do have good things to look forward to th
is year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of 
that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 
public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for 
that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially 
and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that 
once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to 
be filled. It

Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[RobH.]

Well done!...   not as if you'd change anything you couldn't turn off again. 
Though of course, it would clutter up a chunk of her memory I suppose.  Dare 
say mine would be the same.

RobH, awaits with bated breath.
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Frank" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad


Okay guys,
I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought 
it for her for Christmas.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
>
> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as
> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand
> feedback how it fairs.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim Ruby" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
>
>
> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an
> app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not
> install.
>
> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the
> price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? 
> For
> that price you should get both.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of RobH.
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>
> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay 
> that
> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try 
> it
> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much 
> control
> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth 
> that
> to know the answer maybe?
>
>
> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
> geography.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Nancy Badger" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
>
>
> Hello,
> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
> any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it 
> until
> I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
> Thanks for any help.
> Nancy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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RE: Talking atlas for iPad

[Jim Ruby]

It would be great if it would work on an iphone or ipod. I’d love to have 
access to that type of information. Does it come with the trivia game or is 
that another in app purchase?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

 

Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up in 
the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three hundred 
percent.  

 

However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I have 
had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already worth 
30 dollars to me.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:

 

Okay guys,

I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my wife. 
I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we all no, 
sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it for her 
for Christmas. 

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:

 

The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
feedback how it fairs.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Ruby" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad


I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
install.

Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For 
that price you should get both.

Just my opinion.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of RobH.
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth that
to know the answer maybe?


JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
geography.
- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy Badger" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
Subject: Talking atlas for iPad


Hello,
I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it until
I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
Thanks for any help.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[RobH.]

Ok, will live with that.
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Frank" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad


Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech 
rate up in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about 
three hundred percent.

However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country 
as my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I 
have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is 
already worth 30 dollars to me.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>
> Okay guys,
> I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
> wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
> we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I 
> bought it for her for Christmas.
> Tom Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com 
>
>
>
>
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH. > > wrote:
>>
>> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But 
>> as
>> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand
>> feedback how it fairs.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jim Ruby" mailto:j...@blindsea.com>>
>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
>> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
>>
>>
>> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if 
>> an
>> app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not
>> install.
>>
>> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the
>> price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? 
>> For
>> that price you should get both.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of RobH.
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>>
>> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay 
>> that
>> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and 
>> even
>> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
>> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
>> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try 
>> it
>> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much 
>> control
>> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth 
>> that
>> to know the answer maybe?
>>
>>
>> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
>> geography.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Nancy Badger" > >
>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
>> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
>> any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it 
>> until
>> I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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MLB At Bat Question

[Arnold Schmidt]

I still have the At Bat app, from last year, on my phone.  Will I log into it, 
to purchase the new one for this year, will it be updated, then be given the 
option to purchase,   or should I uninstall it, and go directly to the app 
store to buy the one for this year?  Thanks for any information.

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RE: Shortcuts keyboard with VoiceOver support

[Jim Ruby]

What does this do different then the normal keyboard? I see it cost $.99.


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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:52 AM
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Subject: Shortcuts keyboard with VoiceOver support

Shortcuts Keyboard by Matt Gardner
https://appsto.re/us/1vK32.i


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RE: MLB At Bat Question

[Tom Rash]

It should send you an alert when it is available and you can just update
from there.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: MLB At Bat Question


I still have the At Bat app, from last year, on my phone.  Will I log into
it, to purchase the new one for this year, will it be updated, then be given
the option to purchase,   or should I uninstall it, and go directly to the
app store to buy the one for this year?  Thanks for any information.
 
Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Talking atlas for iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Tom,

 

Thanks for that brief review, almost sounds good enough to buy an iPad. Are you 
able to visualize where countries are compared to others with this or get a 
sense of borders and shapes of countries or does it just say which country you 
are on and then give some information about it?

 

Would be nice if somebody did a good Podcast about it showing off the various 
features and what the app can do and what it sounds like. If I owned an iPad 
I’d buy this in a second. I assume for this having a full-size iPad would be 
better than an iPad Mini? I can definitely see why this would not be something 
that works well on the small screen of an iPhone.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

 

Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up in 
the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three hundred 
percent.  

 

However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I have 
had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already worth 
30 dollars to me.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com  

 

 

 

On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank mailto:vermont...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay guys,

I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my wife. 
I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we all no, 
sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it for her 
for Christmas. 

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com  

 

 

 

On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH. mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com> > wrote:

 

The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
feedback how it fairs.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Ruby" mailto:j...@blindsea.com> >
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad


I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
install.

Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For 
that price you should get both.

Just my opinion.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of RobH.
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth that
to know the answer maybe?


JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
geography.
- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy Badger" mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com> >
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
Subject: Talking atlas for iPad


Hello,
I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it until
I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
Thanks for any help.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[May and LD Luna]

What's the name of the app exactly?

May and LD Luna Moon!
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> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
> 
> Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
> over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up 
> in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three 
> hundred percent.  
> 
> However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
> my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I 
> have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already 
> worth 30 dollars to me.
> Tom Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay guys,
>> I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
>> wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
>> we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought 
>> it for her for Christmas. 
>> Tom Frank
>> vermont...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
>>> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
>>> feedback how it fairs.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jim Ruby" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
>>> app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
>>> install.
>>> 
>>> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
>>> price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For 
>>> that price you should get both.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of RobH.
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>>> 
>>> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
>>> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
>>> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
>>> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
>>> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
>>> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
>>> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth that
>>> to know the answer maybe?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
>>> geography.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Nancy Badger" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
>>> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
>>> any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it until
>>> I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Christopher Chaltain]

You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase, 
but this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their official 
refund policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and it clearly 
says that electronic downloads of software are not covered under Apple's 
return policy. I would strongly encourage anyone who purchases an app 
which doesn't meet your needs and which isn't accessible to report it 
using the process you point to and request a refund, but I wouldn't 
assume that you can just blithely download an app and get a refund if 
you don't find it accessible.


On 02/21/2015 11:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi Christopher and everyone else,

Just wanted to state again that apple totally allows refunds for app
store or any other online purchases.
Here's a link detailing how to do this. I have repeatedly made use of
this procedure.
http://ioshacker.com/how-to/get-refund-app-purchased-app-store
Hope this helps.
Ioana



Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:


There's some confusion over searching in the App Store. If you double
tap the search button then what you say may be true, but this isn't
the same as looking for the suggestion that you get when you just
start typing in the search field.

Also, the two week return policy you refer to doesn't apply to
downloads from the App Store. Here's a link to Apple's official return
policy http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund

On 02/21/2015 04:27 PM, Jim Ruby wrote:

I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone
if an app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a
warning and not install.

Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think
the price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia
game? For that price you should get both.

Just my opinion.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH.
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to
pay that
much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and
even
on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to
try it
and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much
control
of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be
worth that
to know the answer maybe?


JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
geography.
- Original Message -
From: "Nancy Badger" mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>>
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
Subject: Talking atlas for iPad


Hello,
I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy
it until
I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
Thanks for any help.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad



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Re: Talking atlas for iPad

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Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4

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On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:

> What's the name of the app exactly?
> 
> May and LD Luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
>> voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech 
>> rate up in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about 
>> three hundred percent.  
>> 
>> However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country 
>> as my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I 
>> have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is 
>> already worth 30 dollars to me.
>> Tom Frank
>> vermont...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay guys,
>>> I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
>>> wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
>>> we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I 
>>> bought it for her for Christmas. 
>>> Tom Frank
>>> vermont...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
 
 The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
 you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
 feedback how it fairs.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Jim Ruby" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
 Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 
 I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
 app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
 install.
 
 Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
 price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? 
 For 
 that price you should get both.
 
 Just my opinion.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of RobH.
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay 
 that
 much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
 on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
 volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
 Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
 and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
 of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth 
 that
 to know the answer maybe?
 
 
 JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
 geography.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Nancy Badger" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
 Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 
 Hello,
 I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
 any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it 
 until
 I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
 Thanks for any help.
 Nancy
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Itunes and latest version of window eyes

[Wendy Alling]

Hello all,

Anyone on the list using window eyes 9.0 and the latest version of Itunes?
The Itunes store does not work properly.  Anyone else having this problem?  

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Re: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

[Christopher Chaltain]

What version of iTunes are you using and what version of Windows (32-bit 
or 64-bit)? iTunes 12.1 had a bug in their 64-bit screen reader support 
that was discussed quite a bit on this list. A patch was released for 
iTunes 12.1 and this was fixed in iTunes 12.1.1, which was just released 
a few days ago. Check to see if you're running iTunes 12.1, and if you 
have a 64-bit version of Windows running, this could be your issue. Get 
the patch or upgrade to iTunes 12.1.1.


If I'm wrong, maybe you could describe your problem a bit more and 
someone else can jump in to help.


On 02/22/2015 11:16 AM, Wendy Alling wrote:

Hello all,

Anyone on the list using window eyes 9.0 and the latest version of Itunes?
The Itunes store does not work properly.  Anyone else having this problem?



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RE: Talking atlas for iPad

[Cristóbal]

I wonder how much real information one can gather from such an app. I’m always 
interested in accessible geography and have collected various tactile maps over 
the years. Something like this though…other than just touching different spots 
on a flat screen, what if any detailed information can a blind person gleam 
from it besides a very general concept of very specific points on the screen? 
What about spacial awareness? Things like borders and relative distances, etc.? 
I’m skeptical but would very much like to be persuaded that it’s much more than 
just a novelty app.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad

 

Hi Tom,

 

Thanks for that brief review, almost sounds good enough to buy an iPad. Are you 
able to visualize where countries are compared to others with this or get a 
sense of borders and shapes of countries or does it just say which country you 
are on and then give some information about it?

 

Would be nice if somebody did a good Podcast about it showing off the various 
features and what the app can do and what it sounds like. If I owned an iPad 
I’d buy this in a second. I assume for this having a full-size iPad would be 
better than an iPad Mini? I can definitely see why this would not be something 
that works well on the small screen of an iPhone.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

 

Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up in 
the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three hundred 
percent.  

 

However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I have 
had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already worth 
30 dollars to me.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:

 

Okay guys,

I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my wife. 
I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we all no, 
sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it for her 
for Christmas. 

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:

 

The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
feedback how it fairs.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Ruby" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad


I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
install.

Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For 
that price you should get both.

Just my opinion.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of RobH.
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth that
to know the answer maybe?


JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
geography.
- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy Badger" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
Subject: Talking atlas for iPad


Hello,
I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it until
I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
Thanks for any help.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad

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Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[RobH.]

I'm sure the last t&C stated an app refund policy so long as done via their 
particular way and within a strict time limit.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad


You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase,
but this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their official
refund policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and it clearly
says that electronic downloads of software are not covered under Apple's
return policy. I would strongly encourage anyone who purchases an app
which doesn't meet your needs and which isn't accessible to report it
using the process you point to and request a refund, but I wouldn't
assume that you can just blithely download an app and get a refund if
you don't find it accessible.

On 02/21/2015 11:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
> Hi Christopher and everyone else,
>
> Just wanted to state again that apple totally allows refunds for app
> store or any other online purchases.
> Here's a link detailing how to do this. I have repeatedly made use of
> this procedure.
> http://ioshacker.com/how-to/get-refund-app-purchased-app-store
> Hope this helps.
> Ioana
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain  > wrote:
>
>> There's some confusion over searching in the App Store. If you double
>> tap the search button then what you say may be true, but this isn't
>> the same as looking for the suggestion that you get when you just
>> start typing in the search field.
>>
>> Also, the two week return policy you refer to doesn't apply to
>> downloads from the App Store. Here's a link to Apple's official return
>> policy http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund
>>
>> On 02/21/2015 04:27 PM, Jim Ruby wrote:
>>> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone
>>> if an app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a
>>> warning and not install.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think
>>> the price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia
>>> game? For that price you should get both.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH.
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>>>
>>> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to
>>> pay that
>>> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and
>>> even
>>> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
>>> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
>>> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to
>>> try it
>>> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much
>>> control
>>> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be
>>> worth that
>>> to know the answer maybe?
>>>
>>>
>>> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
>>> geography.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Nancy Badger" >> >
>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
>>> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has 
>>> had
>>> any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy
>>> it until
>>> I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>
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Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[RobH.]

This indeed is much of my concern,  though the detail has its use, though is 
also obtainable off wikipedia I would think.  I think the Hadley school for 
the blind sold a talking globe once, for a heck of a lot more money, but it 
did have hotspots to touch and you would get the same very basic info they 
look for in school kiddy exams. It was very expensive too.

Now, it would be interesting to know how, I was going to say "if at all", 
the Chinese tackle geography edu to their blind.  I once invisaged how they 
could make a superb tactile globe with tons of details if moulded on the 
outside skin of a gym ball.  We know gym balls are big and strong, so would 
make an ideal platform and economic to make.  Detailed too with that much 
real estate to work on.
For those that haven't seen one, they're like a heavy duty beach ball, 
anything from 16-30inch diameter, and strong enough to sit and bounce on. 
These days, the details and key would be digital, and hopefully written, or 
interpretted by a real English speaker, Chinese English can get peculiar in 
a hurry sometimes.

I know there are some wonderful globe apps for the sighted, even show the 
earth curvature and the means to rotate it.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cristóbal" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad


I wonder how much real information one can gather from such an app. I’m 
always interested in accessible geography and have collected various tactile 
maps over the years. Something like this though…other than just touching 
different spots on a flat screen, what if any detailed information can a 
blind person gleam from it besides a very general concept of very specific 
points on the screen? What about spacial awareness? Things like borders and 
relative distances, etc.? I’m skeptical but would very much like to be 
persuaded that it’s much more than just a novelty app.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad



Hi Tom,



Thanks for that brief review, almost sounds good enough to buy an iPad. Are 
you able to visualize where countries are compared to others with this or 
get a sense of borders and shapes of countries or does it just say which 
country you are on and then give some information about it?



Would be nice if somebody did a good Podcast about it showing off the 
various features and what the app can do and what it sounds like. If I owned 
an iPad I’d buy this in a second. I assume for this having a full-size iPad 
would be better than an iPad Mini? I can definitely see why this would not 
be something that works well on the small screen of an iPhone.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Frank
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad



Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech 
rate up in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about 
three hundred percent.



However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country 
as my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I 
have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is 
already worth 30 dollars to me.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com







On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:



Okay guys,

I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought 
it for her for Christmas.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com







On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:



The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as
you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand
feedback how it fairs.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Ruby" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad


I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an
app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not
install.

Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the
price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? For
that price you should get both.

Just my opinion.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH.
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay that
much until someone says it works as well as they say on the si

RE: Talking atlas for iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8

If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't find 
it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4

HTH,
Traci

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On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:

> What's the name of the app exactly?
> 
> May and LD Luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
>> voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech 
>> rate up in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about 
>> three hundred percent.  
>> 
>> However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country 
>> as my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I 
>> have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is 
>> already worth 30 dollars to me.
>> Tom Frank
>> vermont...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay guys,
>>> I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
>>> wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
>>> we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I 
>>> bought it for her for Christmas. 
>>> Tom Frank
>>> vermont...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
 
 The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
 you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
 feedback how it fairs.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Jim Ruby" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
 Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 
 I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if an 
 app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
 install.
 
 Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
 price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? 
 For 
 that price you should get both.
 
 Just my opinion.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of RobH.
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay 
 that
 much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
 on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
 volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
 Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try it
 and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much control
 of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth 
 that
 to know the answer maybe?
 
 
 JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
 geography.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Nancy Badger" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
 Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 
 Hello,
 I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
 any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy it 
 until
 I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
 Thanks for any help.
 Nancy
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Christopher Chaltain]

Maybe you could provide a link to a page where these terms and 
conditions you refer to are spelled out. As I said, I pointed to Apple's 
own page on their official refund policy, where it states that 
electronic dowloads are not covered by their refund policy.


In addition, the page at 
http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html says:


All sales and rentals of products are final.

Prices for products offered via the Services may change at any time, and 
the Services do not provide price protection or refunds in the event of 
a price reduction or promotional offering.


If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to 
download, your sole remedy is a refund. If technical problems prevent or 
unreasonably delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole 
remedy is either replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined 
by Apple.


On 02/22/2015 12:23 PM, RobH. wrote:

I'm sure the last t&C stated an app refund policy so long as done via their
particular way and within a strict time limit.
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad


You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase,
but this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their official
refund policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and it clearly
says that electronic downloads of software are not covered under Apple's
return policy. I would strongly encourage anyone who purchases an app
which doesn't meet your needs and which isn't accessible to report it
using the process you point to and request a refund, but I wouldn't
assume that you can just blithely download an app and get a refund if
you don't find it accessible.

On 02/21/2015 11:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi Christopher and everyone else,

Just wanted to state again that apple totally allows refunds for app
store or any other online purchases.
Here's a link detailing how to do this. I have repeatedly made use of
this procedure.
http://ioshacker.com/how-to/get-refund-app-purchased-app-store
Hope this helps.
Ioana



Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:


There's some confusion over searching in the App Store. If you double
tap the search button then what you say may be true, but this isn't
the same as looking for the suggestion that you get when you just
start typing in the search field.

Also, the two week return policy you refer to doesn't apply to
downloads from the App Store. Here's a link to Apple's official return
policy http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund

On 02/21/2015 04:27 PM, Jim Ruby wrote:

I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone
if an app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a
warning and not install.

Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think
the price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia
game? For that price you should get both.

Just my opinion.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH.
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to
pay that
much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and
even
on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to
try it
and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much
control
of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be
worth that
to know the answer maybe?


JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
geography.
- Original Message -
From: "Nancy Badger" mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>>
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
Subject: Talking atlas for iPad


Hello,
I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has
had
any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy
it until
I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
Thanks for any help.
Nancy

Sent from my iPad



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RE: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Christopher,

As of November last year Apple changed their terms and conditions in European 
union countries to allow for a 14-day return policy which is in line with what 
the EU recommends. You can find this easily by Googling it. Remember that many 
members on this list are from Europe so they may believe this is true here as 
well which it is not. Having said this, an article I read about this pointed 
out that Apple did indeed implement such a policy, but they essentially 
circumvent it by also saying that refunds only apply if the content has not yet 
been downloaded. Of course most Apple digital content begins to download once 
you buy it so it appears to be for cosmetic reasons only.

The article also points out that on the Google Play store in EU countries you 
have 2 hours to request a refund and 2 weeks for music subscriptions.

I should also mention that I have received refunds for 2 apps which I found 
were not accessible after asking for it nicely and explaining the problem, but 
it is definitely a decision the iTunes Store support people make on a per case 
bases and I would not count on it. I also doubt it would apply to an app like 
Talking Atlas which the developer has specifically made accessible even though 
some may find it unacceptable that they have to turn off Voiceover or something 
along those lines. At some point a couple of weeks ago I saw a message where 
somebody had purchased KNFB Reader and apparently they couldn't get good 
results and were asking if they could get a refund. I doubt this would be 
granted since this was obviously user error since the app works great for 
everybody else.


Regards,
Sieghard
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Maybe you could provide a link to a page where these terms and conditions you 
refer to are spelled out. As I said, I pointed to Apple's own page on their 
official refund policy, where it states that electronic dowloads are not 
covered by their refund policy.

In addition, the page at
http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html says:

All sales and rentals of products are final.

Prices for products offered via the Services may change at any time, and the 
Services do not provide price protection or refunds in the event of a price 
reduction or promotional offering.

If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to download, 
your sole remedy is a refund. If technical problems prevent or unreasonably 
delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole remedy is either 
replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined by Apple.

On 02/22/2015 12:23 PM, RobH. wrote:
> I'm sure the last t&C stated an app refund policy so long as done via 
> their particular way and within a strict time limit.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for 
> iPad
>
>
> You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase, 
> but this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their 
> official refund policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and 
> it clearly says that electronic downloads of software are not covered 
> under Apple's return policy. I would strongly encourage anyone who 
> purchases an app which doesn't meet your needs and which isn't 
> accessible to report it using the process you point to and request a 
> refund, but I wouldn't assume that you can just blithely download an 
> app and get a refund if you don't find it accessible.
>
> On 02/21/2015 11:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> Hi Christopher and everyone else,
>>
>> Just wanted to state again that apple totally allows refunds for app 
>> store or any other online purchases.
>> Here's a link detailing how to do this. I have repeatedly made use of 
>> this procedure.
>> http://ioshacker.com/how-to/get-refund-app-purchased-app-store
>> Hope this helps.
>> Ioana
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain > > wrote:
>>
>>> There's some confusion over searching in the App Store. If you 
>>> double tap the search button then what you say may be true, but this 
>>> isn't the same as looking for the suggestion that you get when you 
>>> just start typing in the search field.
>>>
>>> Also, the two week return policy you refer to doesn't apply to 
>>> downloads from the App Store. Here's a link to Apple's official 
>>> return policy http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund
>>>
>>> On 02/21/2015 04:27 PM, Jim Ruby wrote:
 I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your 
 iphone if an app was not compatible it would not show up or give 
 you a w

Re: Saving documents in icloud in voice dream writer

[Alan J Paganelli]

And, I was under the impression that there was a spell checker.  What I got 
was a notification that a word was mispelled.  Helpful but not practical.  I 
expected a list of possibles to choose from such as you would find with iOS. 
For ten bucks I expected better.





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-Original Message- 
From: Andrew Lamanche

Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:28 AM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Saving documents in icloud in voice dream writer

Listers,

What is your experience of saving documents into icloud in voice dream 
writer?  I assumed since this facility existed that I could save a document 
into iCloud and once it's saved, I could then open it on my mac or another 
iDevice, add some text, and then open it again in voice dream writer.  But 
this doesn't seem to be the case.  Voice dream writer saves versions of the 
document in icloud giving them numbers after the name but I can't open them 
on my mac to edit them or add content.  I am also struggling to find a way 
of closing a document in voice dream writer.  There doesn't seem to be a way 
of doing so at all.  I am struggling to understand how icloud function is 
supposed to work in voice dream writer.  I've read the help file but it 
doesn't seem to make things clear. I wrote to the developer a few days ago 
but as yet I've not heard.


Andrew

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RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

[Wendy Alling]

I am running windows 7 64 bit and I did get the patch and I am running
Itunes 12.1.1.

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Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Christopher Chaltain]

The web page I referred to at 
http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund talks about the US refund 
policy, and it does state that there's a 14 day return policy, but it 
also explicitly says this does not include electronic downloads. In 
fact, here's what it says with respect to that point:


There are some items, however, that are ineligible for return, including:

Opened software*
Electronic Software Downloads
Software Up-to-Date Program Products (software upgrades)
Apple Store Gift Cards
Apple Developer Connection Products (Membership and Technical Support)
Apple Print Products

*You can return software, provided that it has not been installed on any 
computer. Software that contains a printed software license may not be 
returned if the seal or sticker on the software media packaging is broken.


I Googled but couldn't find Apple's return policy for Europe, but I did 
find a bunch of articles like the one at 
http://9to5mac.com/2014/12/29/app-store-itunes-refunds-eu/ where it does 
refer to Apple's change in their return policy in Europe to include App 
Store purchases. It also states in this article that the return policy 
in North America has not changed, and that all sales are final except at 
the discretion of Apple.


BTW, the two hour window to return apps purchased from Google Play is 
not just in Europe but covers the US if not the rest of the world as well.


On 02/22/2015 01:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Christopher,

As of November last year Apple changed their terms and conditions in European 
union countries to allow for a 14-day return policy which is in line with what 
the EU recommends. You can find this easily by Googling it. Remember that many 
members on this list are from Europe so they may believe this is true here as 
well which it is not. Having said this, an article I read about this pointed 
out that Apple did indeed implement such a policy, but they essentially 
circumvent it by also saying that refunds only apply if the content has not yet 
been downloaded. Of course most Apple digital content begins to download once 
you buy it so it appears to be for cosmetic reasons only.

The article also points out that on the Google Play store in EU countries you 
have 2 hours to request a refund and 2 weeks for music subscriptions.

I should also mention that I have received refunds for 2 apps which I found 
were not accessible after asking for it nicely and explaining the problem, but 
it is definitely a decision the iTunes Store support people make on a per case 
bases and I would not count on it. I also doubt it would apply to an app like 
Talking Atlas which the developer has specifically made accessible even though 
some may find it unacceptable that they have to turn off Voiceover or something 
along those lines. At some point a couple of weeks ago I saw a message where 
somebody had purchased KNFB Reader and apparently they couldn't get good 
results and were asking if they could get a refund. I doubt this would be 
granted since this was obviously user error since the app works great for 
everybody else.


Regards,
Sieghard
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Maybe you could provide a link to a page where these terms and conditions you 
refer to are spelled out. As I said, I pointed to Apple's own page on their 
official refund policy, where it states that electronic dowloads are not 
covered by their refund policy.

In addition, the page at
http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html says:

All sales and rentals of products are final.

Prices for products offered via the Services may change at any time, and the 
Services do not provide price protection or refunds in the event of a price 
reduction or promotional offering.

If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to download, 
your sole remedy is a refund. If technical problems prevent or unreasonably 
delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole remedy is either 
replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined by Apple.

On 02/22/2015 12:23 PM, RobH. wrote:

I'm sure the last t&C stated an app refund policy so long as done via
their particular way and within a strict time limit.
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for
iPad


You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase,
but this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their
official refund policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and
it clearly says that electronic downloads of software are not covered
under Apple's return policy. I would strongly encourage anyone who
purchase

Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[May]

Thanks and I was double checking since sometimes using the exact name that is 
posted brings up several hits. Since I'm having my daughter put it on her IPad 
I wanted to be sure I'm telling her the right name.


May and LD Luna Moon!
www.canadianlynx.ca

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
> the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8
> 
> If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't 
> find it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Traci Duncan
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
> http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4
> 
> HTH,
> Traci
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> On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:
> 
>> What's the name of the app exactly?
>> 
>> May and LD Luna Moon!
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
>>> voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech 
>>> rate up in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is 
>>> about three hundred percent.  
>>> 
>>> However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country 
>>> as my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than 
>>> I have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is 
>>> already worth 30 dollars to me.
>>> Tom Frank
>>> vermont...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
 
 Okay guys,
 I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
 wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
 we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I 
 bought it for her for Christmas. 
 Tom Frank
 vermont...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
> 
> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But 
> as 
> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
> feedback how it fairs.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim Ruby" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> 
> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone if 
> an 
> app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a warning and not 
> install.
> 
> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think the 
> price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia game? 
> For 
> that price you should get both.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf 
> Of RobH.
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to pay 
> that
> much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and even
> on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
> volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to try 
> it
> and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much 
> control
> of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be worth 
> that
> to know the answer maybe?
> 
> 
> JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
> geography.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Nancy Badger" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015

Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Tom Frank]

Hello guys again,
I’ve been playing with my talking atlas app between shoveling snow off my 
sidewalk and deck. It is 32 degrees here in Northern Vermont for the first time 
in over a month.

There is a very accessible trivia game that proves my ignorance. I can’t wait 
until the grandchildren come over for dinner this evening and I can see if I 
know more than a fifth grader.
  I do not think it could work well on an IPhone because one of the most 
interesting features is moving your finger over the world map and having the 
oceans and countries named. Many of the countries are small and my fingers are 
large.

I found it is best using the app with voice over turned off.  Two finger swipes 
up and down gets you to the menus and a two finger swipe to the right or left 
moves you through the choices. A double tap selects the item.

I had problems getting back to the main menu so I pressed the home button, 
opened the app switcher and closed talking atlas completely. then when I opened 
the app again I could get to the settings and store menu. Unless you want maps 
of India, there are no other choices.
 Of the few countries I checked out, there is an extensive history list of 
important dates. Other information can be found out for free on apps like World 
facts.  But this app plays the national anthem of every country and describes 
the flag completely.

There is another great option: choose a country like Japan, put your finger on 
the map and it will tell you to go, north, go east, go east, go south, until, 
Congratulations, you found Japan.  A really fun way to find out where countries 
are located. An for this American, if it doesn’t have a MacDonalds or a 
Wal-Mart, I probably don’t know where it is on the map.


Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




> On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
> the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8
> 
> If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't 
> find it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Traci Duncan
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
> http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4
> 
> HTH,
> Traci
> 
> Ready set CLIMB , CONQUER, CURE . Please help me fundraise for the Leukemia 
> Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in 
> comparison to what patients and their families feel during treatment. Every 
> day, more than 347 LLS sponsored researchers come closer to the goal of 
> finding a cure for leukemia and related blood cancers. Locally, LLS funds 8 
> researchers at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and University of 
> Washington Medical Center. Your support and commitment to the mission of LLS 
> enables this important work to continue. Please go to my page to learn more & 
> donate. Thank you!
> http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735&pg=personal&fr_id=1460
> 
> On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:
> 
>> What's the name of the app exactly?
>> 
>> May and LD Luna Moon!
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
>>> voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech 
>>> rate up in the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is 
>>> about three hundred percent.  
>>> 
>>> However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country 
>>> as my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than 
>>> I have had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is 
>>> already worth 30 dollars to me.
>>> Tom Frank
>>> vermont...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:
 
 Okay guys,
 I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
 wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As 
 we all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I 
 bought it for her for Christmas. 
 Tom Frank
 vermont...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:
> 
> The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But 
> as 
> you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
> feedback how it fairs.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim Ruby" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Talking atlas for iPad
> 
> 
> I thought if you se

Re: Seri

[Alan Paganelli]

Yes there is an easy way..  Press and hold the home button down and when you 
hear the double tone, say turn voice over on..  

HTH!

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm trying to help a friend who is a new iPhone user setup her iPhone. We are 
> corresponding by email. 
> 
> Can someone refresh my memory; when a person has a new out of the box iPhone, 
> is Seri already turned on? If not, is there an easy to turn Seri on without 
> having to first go into settings. 
> 
> Hoping to be able to make things easy for me and my friend before frustration 
> takes over. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Donna
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Re: Seri

[Alan Paganelli]

When I was at the AT&T store, the salesmen had no clue as how to turn voice 
over on.  I told him to hold down the home button and say, turn voice over on.  
He did and voice over was turned on.  He had already did the setup work for me. 
 He just didn't know how to turn on voice over.  They wrote that down on a file 
card and saved it just in case another blind guy showed up.  Glad to help boys 
I thought! LOL!


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Plug the iPhone into the charger, and the charger into the wall, or plug the 
> charging cable into the computer's USB port and wait for a minute or so. Then 
> press the home button 3 times quickly.  Voice-Over should come on.  You have 
> to go into settings, then into general settings, then into Siri settings 
> after Voice-Over has started if you cannot see what's on the screen.  HTH.
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - From: "Donna" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:54 PM
> Subject: Seri
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm trying to help a friend who is a new iPhone user setup her iPhone. We are 
> corresponding by email.
> 
> Can someone refresh my memory; when a person has a new out of the box iPhone, 
> is Seri already turned on? If not, is there an easy to turn Seri on without 
> having to first go into settings.
> 
> Hoping to be able to make things easy for me and my friend before frustration 
> takes over.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Donna
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RE: How do I add my email outlook 2010 contacts to my contacts in my iPhone 5c

[John Christie]

Thanks Rob. I did have to call the apple hotline because I didn’t realize that 
they were in the info bar. I also had to uncheck the calendar and contacts as 
far as backingup them to iCloud so that I could sync them from my computer to 
my iPhone. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rob
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I add my email outlook 2010 contacts to my contacts in my 
iPhone 5c

 

There are check boxes in iTunes to indicate whether you want to sync your 
contacts, calendar, etc.  Check the ones you want.  Then sync your iPhone with 
your PC.

Rob

 

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John Christie
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM
To: viphone
Subject: How do I add my email outlook 2010 contacts to my contacts in my 
iPhone 5c

 

How Do I add my email Outlook contacts to my iPhone 5c using Windows 7 and 
Outlook 2010? I have both ITunes and iCloud on my computer. Thanks allot and 
have a good day.

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RE: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Zoe Fiogkos]

This sounds wonderful, are you sure it can’t be used on an iPhone, or maybe 
they have a version for the iPhone?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: February-22-15 3:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad
 
Hello guys again,
I’ve been playing with my talking atlas app between shoveling snow off my 
sidewalk and deck. It is 32 degrees here in Northern Vermont for the first time 
in over a month.
 
There is a very accessible trivia game that proves my ignorance. I can’t wait 
until the grandchildren come over for dinner this evening and I can see if I 
know more than a fifth grader.
  I do not think it could work well on an IPhone because one of the most 
interesting features is moving your finger over the world map and having the 
oceans and countries named. Many of the countries are small and my fingers are 
large.
 
I found it is best using the app with voice over turned off.  Two finger swipes 
up and down gets you to the menus and a two finger swipe to the right or left 
moves you through the choices. A double tap selects the item.
 
I had problems getting back to the main menu so I pressed the home button, 
opened the app switcher and closed talking atlas completely. then when I opened 
the app again I could get to the settings and store menu. Unless you want maps 
of India, there are no other choices.
 Of the few countries I checked out, there is an extensive history list of 
important dates. Other information can be found out for free on apps like World 
facts.  But this app plays the national anthem of every country and describes 
the flag completely.
 
There is another great option: choose a country like Japan, put your finger on 
the map and it will tell you to go, north, go east, go east, go south, until, 
Congratulations, you found Japan.  A really fun way to find out where countries 
are located. An for this American, if it doesn’t have a MacDonalds or a 
Wal-Mart, I probably don’t know where it is on the map.
 
 
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com
 
 
 
On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8

If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't find 
it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4

HTH,
Traci

Ready set CLIMB , CONQUER, CURE . Please help me fundraise for the Leukemia 
Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in comparison 
to what patients and their families feel during treatment. Every day, more than 
347 LLS sponsored researchers come closer to the goal of finding a cure for 
leukemia and related blood cancers. Locally, LLS funds 8 researchers at the 
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and University of Washington Medical 
Center. Your support and commitment to the mission of LLS enables this 
important work to continue. Please go to my page to learn more & donate. Thank 
you!
http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735 

 &pg=personal&fr_id=1460

On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:



What's the name of the app exactly?

May and LD Luna Moon!
www.canadianlynx.ca
m...@canadianlynx.ca



On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:

Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up in 
the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three hundred 
percent.  

However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I have 
had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already worth 
30 dollars to me.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com






On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:

Okay guys,
I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my wife. 
I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we all no, 
sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it for her 
for Christmas. 
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com






On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:

The in'app purchase includes the map of India as well as the game.  But as 
you say, still more than I want to splash out before getting first hand 
feedback how it fairs.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Ruby" 
To: 
Sent: 

Re: [Bulk] Talking atlas for iPad

[Tom Frank]

There is no version for the I Phone. Except for the World map option, an I 
Phone version should work well.  We can always make the suggestion to the 
developers.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> This sounds wonderful, are you sure it can’t be used on an iPhone, or maybe 
> they have a version for the iPhone?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Tom Frank
> Sent: February-22-15 3:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>  
> Hello guys again,
> I’ve been playing with my talking atlas app between shoveling snow off my 
> sidewalk and deck. It is 32 degrees here in Northern Vermont for the first 
> time in over a month.
>  
> There is a very accessible trivia game that proves my ignorance. I can’t wait 
> until the grandchildren come over for dinner this evening and I can see if I 
> know more than a fifth grader.
>   I do not think it could work well on an IPhone because one of the most 
> interesting features is moving your finger over the world map and having the 
> oceans and countries named. Many of the countries are small and my fingers 
> are large.
>  
> I found it is best using the app with voice over turned off.  Two finger 
> swipes up and down gets you to the menus and a two finger swipe to the right 
> or left moves you through the choices. A double tap selects the item.
>  
> I had problems getting back to the main menu so I pressed the home button, 
> opened the app switcher and closed talking atlas completely. then when I 
> opened the app again I could get to the settings and store menu. Unless you 
> want maps of India, there are no other choices.
>  Of the few countries I checked out, there is an extensive history list of 
> important dates. Other information can be found out for free on apps like 
> World facts.  But this app plays the national anthem of every country and 
> describes the flag completely.
>  
> There is another great option: choose a country like Japan, put your finger 
> on the map and it will tell you to go, north, go east, go east, go south, 
> until, Congratulations, you found Japan.  A really fun way to find out where 
> countries are located. An for this American, if it doesn’t have a MacDonalds 
> or a Wal-Mart, I probably don’t know where it is on the map.
>  
>  
> Tom Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com 
>  
>  
> 
>  
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > > wrote:
>>  
>> It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
>> the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8 
>> 
>> 
>> If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't 
>> find it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of 
>> space.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
>> 
>> Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
>> http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4 
>> 
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Traci
>> 
>> Ready set CLIMB , CONQUER, CURE . Please help me fundraise for the Leukemia 
>> Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in 
>> comparison to what patients and their families feel during treatment. Every 
>> day, more than 347 LLS sponsored researchers come closer to the goal of 
>> finding a cure for leukemia and related blood cancers. Locally, LLS funds 8 
>> researchers at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and University of 
>> Washington Medical Center. Your support and commitment to the mission of LLS 
>> enables this important work to continue. Please go to my page to learn more 
>> & donate. Thank you!
>> http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735&pg=personal&fr_id=1460
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What's the name of the app exactly?
>> 
>> May and LD Luna Moon!
>> www.canadianlynx.ca 
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and 
>> voice over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn t

Re: Microsoft Word app on my IPad

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,
I have the Microsoft Word app on my  iPad and I have no problems so far.
Jenn and Kumi




On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:22 AM -0800, "Ann Byrne"  wrote:










How accessible is that app with VoiceOver???

thanks,


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Re: Read2Go vs Voice Dream for Periodicals (was: Help with Bookshare)

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for the tip. It works great. I'll have to try it in iBooks too.

Best,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna, I've gotten into the habit of pressing a cursor routing key when 
> that percentage comes up. That makes it disappear and I can get on with 
> reading just a bit more quickly. 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 22/02/2015, at 12:23 pm, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lelia,
>> 
>> You can use a braille display with Voice Dream Reader. The only problem is 
>> that when you switch screens, you see a percentage of where you are in the 
>> file, and you have to wait a couple of seconds for it to go away. So it’s 
>> annoying, but usable.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 4:54 PM, leliastr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would I be correct in saying that you cannot use voice dream reader with a 
>>> braille display? I know I tried it before and it didn't work that well. But 
>>> I could be wrong. Just curious
>>> 
>>> Lelia 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 I know that the android version of the book share platform downloads new 
 versions or days of newspapers automatically but I don't know if the iOS 
 version does too. Perhaps this would be a good feature request for 
 voicedream. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity, because I never read periodicals, what does Read2Go do 
> that makes it easier to read newspapers in than Voice Dream Reader? I've 
> heard one or two other people say the same thing, but I can't figure out 
> just what the advantage is. Thanks.
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also another app out there called Voice Dream Reaer. I use that 
>> in conjunction with Read2Go. I use Read2Go for newspapers, and Voice 
>> Dream for everything else.
>> 
>> Voice Dream lets me read much more quickly--also, you can save the 
>> library to your computer, meaning you never loose your books--unlike 
>> with Read2Go. If something goes wrong and you have to re-install 
>> Read2Go, your downloaded materials are gone. Not so with Voice Dream 
>> Reader, as long as you remember to save the library.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Nancy Badger  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I use this app all the time. First you have to decide if you want to 
>>> read with voiceover or if you want to read with the audio inside the 
>>> app. You need to choose this in settings. If you choose the audio 
>>> inside the app, there is a play/pause button in the middleof the very 
>>> bottom of the page. Double tap it and it will start playing and read 
>>> continually. You only have to press the next page but if for some 
>>> reason you want to skip to the next page or if you are reading in 
>>> voiceover. I hope this makes sense. Let me know if you have other 
>>> questions.
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:48 PM, amber8844 .  wrote:
 
 Hello list members Please could some of you on this list help me out?
 I have just now joined bookshare and I purchased the read to go app.
 Are there any tutorials? Is there any way to read several pages at the
 time or do you have to click on next page?
 If there any tips that any one has it will be very appreciated.
 By the way I am using Ipad air. You may contact me off list if you
 like. Thanks in advance.
 Janie
 
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Re: Seri

[Christopher Chaltain]

The question was about turning Siri on and not VoiceOver, so unless the 
person didn't ask the right question, I'm not sure this will help.


On 02/22/2015 02:46 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Yes there is an easy way..  Press and hold the home button down and when you 
hear the double tone, say turn voice over on..

HTH!

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air


On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Donna  wrote:

Hi All,

I'm trying to help a friend who is a new iPhone user setup her iPhone. We are 
corresponding by email.

Can someone refresh my memory; when a person has a new out of the box iPhone, 
is Seri already turned on? If not, is there an easy to turn Seri on without 
having to first go into settings.

Hoping to be able to make things easy for me and my friend before frustration 
takes over.

Thanks in advance.

Donna

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Re: Saving documents in icloud in voice dream writer

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Andrew and Alan,

The developer says the next version will have the ability to close files. And 
there is a spell checker. In Tools, there's the option to find misspelled 
words. When you choose it, you can flick down to go to the next misspelled word 
or up to go to the previous one. The word is spelled and read in the current 
sentence. You can fix it and then move on to the next one. There isn't 
currently the ability to ignore a word or add it to the dictionary, but it's by 
far the best spell checker I've seen on the iPhone.

If you're willing to work with text files, Writer or Nebulous should work fine 
for working interchangeably on the computer and phone. Pages should work too, 
but I find Pages harder to work with on both than TextEdit and Writer. And with 
markdown, it is possible to do headings and lists even in plain text files, so 
I think I'll mostly use Writer.

HTH,
Anna
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Alan J Paganelli  
> wrote:
> 
> And, I was under the impression that there was a spell checker.  What I got 
> was a notification that a word was mispelled.  Helpful but not practical.  I 
> expected a list of possibles to choose from such as you would find with iOS. 
> For ten bucks I expected better.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get
> a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly!
> The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still
> available upon request. Thanks for listening!
> -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:28 AM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Saving documents in icloud in voice dream writer
> 
> Listers,
> 
> What is your experience of saving documents into icloud in voice dream 
> writer?  I assumed since this facility existed that I could save a document 
> into iCloud and once it's saved, I could then open it on my mac or another 
> iDevice, add some text, and then open it again in voice dream writer.  But 
> this doesn't seem to be the case.  Voice dream writer saves versions of the 
> document in icloud giving them numbers after the name but I can't open them 
> on my mac to edit them or add content.  I am also struggling to find a way of 
> closing a document in voice dream writer.  There doesn't seem to be a way of 
> doing so at all.  I am struggling to understand how icloud function is 
> supposed to work in voice dream writer.  I've read the help file but it 
> doesn't seem to make things clear. I wrote to the developer a few days ago 
> but as yet I've not heard.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,

I wonder if there's a legal difference between return and refund. Indeed apple 
does not accept a return for an online product but in my mind this does not 
exclude a refund for it. 
I fully agree that one can not simply just buy apps and then arbitrarily 
request refunds but, since apple appears to have a clear channel for reporting 
problems with an up and requesting a refund, it makes it pretty streamlined if 
not official if needed. 


Best,


Ioana 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase, but 
> this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their official refund 
> policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and it clearly says that 
> electronic downloads of software are not covered under Apple's return policy. 
> I would strongly encourage anyone who purchases an app which doesn't meet 
> your needs and which isn't accessible to report it using the process you 
> point to and request a refund, but I wouldn't assume that you can just 
> blithely download an app and get a refund if you don't find it accessible.
> 
>> On 02/21/2015 11:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> Hi Christopher and everyone else,
>> 
>> Just wanted to state again that apple totally allows refunds for app
>> store or any other online purchases.
>> Here's a link detailing how to do this. I have repeatedly made use of
>> this procedure.
>> http://ioshacker.com/how-to/get-refund-app-purchased-app-store
>> Hope this helps.
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain > > wrote:
>> 
>>> There's some confusion over searching in the App Store. If you double
>>> tap the search button then what you say may be true, but this isn't
>>> the same as looking for the suggestion that you get when you just
>>> start typing in the search field.
>>> 
>>> Also, the two week return policy you refer to doesn't apply to
>>> downloads from the App Store. Here's a link to Apple's official return
>>> policy http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund
>>> 
 On 02/21/2015 04:27 PM, Jim Ruby wrote:
 I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your iphone
 if an app was not compatible it would not show up or give you a
 warning and not install.
 
 Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I think
 the price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for a trivia
 game? For that price you should get both.
 
 Just my opinion.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH.
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 Several have asked this, including me.  And no,  none of us want to
 pay that
 much until someone says it works as well as they say on the site, and
 even
 on Applevis where the link first showed up.  So we're all looking for a
 volunteer with £30 to spare for trying this product.
 Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer to
 try it
 and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to know how much
 control
 of amount one has;  but if ten of us sent £3/$5 each, it would be
 worth that
 to know the answer maybe?
 
 
 JMO,  RobH, who'd also like this.  Had a long'standing fascination with
 geography.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Nancy Badger" >>> >
 To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM
 Subject: Talking atlas for iPad
 
 
 Hello,
 I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone has had
 any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't want to buy
 it until
 I find some one who has had experience with it since it is so expensive.
 Thanks for any help.
 Nancy
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Talking atlas for iPad

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi tom, thanks for responding so quickly. I’m so disappointed because I don’t 
have an ipad could you possibly give me an email for the developer so I could 
send him a request.  I’m a lover of geography and this sounds absolutely 
fantastic, if I could afford an ipad I would get it just for this app no matter 
how stupid that sounds that’s the way I feel. Thanks again.
Zoe
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: February-22-15 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Talking atlas for iPad
 
There is no version for the I Phone. Except for the World map option, an I 
Phone version should work well.  We can always make the suggestion to the 
developers.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com
 
 
 
On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
 
This sounds wonderful, are you sure it can’t be used on an iPhone, or maybe 
they have a version for the iPhone?
 
From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: February-22-15 3:44 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad
 
Hello guys again,
I’ve been playing with my talking atlas app between shoveling snow off my 
sidewalk and deck. It is 32 degrees here in Northern Vermont for the first time 
in over a month.
 
There is a very accessible trivia game that proves my ignorance. I can’t wait 
until the grandchildren come over for dinner this evening and I can see if I 
know more than a fifth grader.
  I do not think it could work well on an IPhone because one of the most 
interesting features is moving your finger over the world map and having the 
oceans and countries named. Many of the countries are small and my fingers are 
large.
 
I found it is best using the app with voice over turned off.  Two finger swipes 
up and down gets you to the menus and a two finger swipe to the right or left 
moves you through the choices. A double tap selects the item.
 
I had problems getting back to the main menu so I pressed the home button, 
opened the app switcher and closed talking atlas completely. then when I opened 
the app again I could get to the settings and store menu. Unless you want maps 
of India, there are no other choices.
 Of the few countries I checked out, there is an extensive history list of 
important dates. Other information can be found out for free on apps like World 
facts.  But this app plays the national anthem of every country and describes 
the flag completely.
 
There is another great option: choose a country like Japan, put your finger on 
the map and it will tell you to go, north, go east, go east, go south, until, 
Congratulations, you found Japan.  A really fun way to find out where countries 
are located. An for this American, if it doesn’t have a MacDonalds or a 
Wal-Mart, I probably don’t know where it is on the map.
 
 
Tom Frank
  vermont...@gmail.com
 
 
 
On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <  
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
 
It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
the link is   
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8

If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't find 
it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
  
http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4

HTH,
Traci

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On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna <  
m...@canadianlynx.ca> wrote:




What's the name of the

Easiest way to get to the page to request refund of app

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,


I wanted to add something not mentioned in the procedure outlined at the link I 
posted about asking for app refund.
THe easiest way I found to get to the "report a problem" link for requesting a 
refund of an app can be found in the receipt mail one gets after buying the 
app. One more great reason to make sure to keep these emails safe.
In that mail there's a link titled "report a problem" and you just have to sign 
in with your apple id and password and you land in the form where you can 
indicate the type  of problem you are having and submit your request.

OF course, I don't think one can over use this too often. But, as long as 
everyone uses this great feature in good faith  it might actually sharpen 
awareness about inaccessible apps both at apple and the developers. 

Hope this helps,




Ioana 




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Re: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Dave]

I also have this app, and it is for the iPad only.

Dave.

From: Zoe Fiogkos 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad

This sounds wonderful, are you sure it can’t be used on an iPhone, or maybe 
they have a version for the iPhone?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: February-22-15 3:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad

 

Hello guys again,

I’ve been playing with my talking atlas app between shoveling snow off my 
sidewalk and deck. It is 32 degrees here in Northern Vermont for the first time 
in over a month.

 

There is a very accessible trivia game that proves my ignorance. I can’t wait 
until the grandchildren come over for dinner this evening and I can see if I 
know more than a fifth grader.

  I do not think it could work well on an IPhone because one of the most 
interesting features is moving your finger over the world map and having the 
oceans and countries named. Many of the countries are small and my fingers are 
large.

 

I found it is best using the app with voice over turned off.  Two finger swipes 
up and down gets you to the menus and a two finger swipe to the right or left 
moves you through the choices. A double tap selects the item.

 

I had problems getting back to the main menu so I pressed the home button, 
opened the app switcher and closed talking atlas completely. then when I opened 
the app again I could get to the settings and store menu. Unless you want maps 
of India, there are no other choices.

Of the few countries I checked out, there is an extensive history list of 
important dates. Other information can be found out for free on apps like World 
facts.  But this app plays the national anthem of every country and describes 
the flag completely.

 

There is another great option: choose a country like Japan, put your finger on 
the map and it will tell you to go, north, go east, go east, go south, until, 
Congratulations, you found Japan.  A really fun way to find out where countries 
are located. An for this American, if it doesn’t have a MacDonalds or a 
Wal-Mart, I probably don’t know where it is on the map.

 

 

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

  On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

   

  It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
  the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8

  If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't 
find it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.


  Regards,
  Sieghard


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
  Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

  Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
  http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4

  HTH,
  Traci

  Ready set CLIMB , CONQUER, CURE . Please help me fundraise for the Leukemia 
Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in comparison 
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  On Feb 22, 2015, at 9:00 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:




  What's the name of the app exactly?

  May and LD Luna Moon!
  www.canadianlynx.ca
  m...@canadianlynx.ca




  On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:

  Just to start. talking Atlas doesn’t play nice with it’s own speech and voice 
over. I had to have my wife rescue me.  Also, don’t turn the speech rate up in 
the settings menu at first. 0.1 is normal speech and 1.0 is about three hundred 
percent.  

  However, once vo was turned off, the world atlas is speaking every country as 
my finger moves over it.  that gives me more access to information than I have 
had for 30 years when I could actually see an atlas.  The app is already worth 
30 dollars to me.
  Tom Frank
  vermont...@gmail.com







  On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Tom Frank  wrote:

  Okay guys,
  I just bought the app and will check it out. The only problem is with my 
wife. I just use my Iphone and she is reluctant to let me use her IPad. As we 
all no, sightohs are bad at sharing . Maybe I’ll remind her that I bought it 
for her for Christmas. 
  Tom Frank
  vermont...@gmail.com







  On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:25 AM, RobH.  wrote:

  The in'app purchase i

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Talking atlas for iPad

[Andy Baracco]

This might be difficult because in order to display maps with realistic size 
and detail, you need a certain amount of screen real estate, so to speak.

Andy

From: Zoe Fiogkos 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Talking atlas for iPad
Hi tom, thanks for responding so quickly. I’m so disappointed because I don’t 
have an ipad could you possibly give me an email for the developer so I could 
send him a request.  I’m a lover of geography and this sounds absolutely 
fantastic, if I could afford an ipad I would get it just for this app no matter 
how stupid that sounds that’s the way I feel. Thanks again.

Zoe

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
Sent: February-22-15 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Talking atlas for iPad

 

There is no version for the I Phone. Except for the World map option, an I 
Phone version should work well.  We can always make the suggestion to the 
developers.

Tom Frank

vermont...@gmail.com

 

 

 

  On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

   

  This sounds wonderful, are you sure it can’t be used on an iPhone, or maybe 
they have a version for the iPhone?

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Frank
  Sent: February-22-15 3:44 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [Bulk] Re: Talking atlas for iPad

   

  Hello guys again,

  I’ve been playing with my talking atlas app between shoveling snow off my 
sidewalk and deck. It is 32 degrees here in Northern Vermont for the first time 
in over a month.

   

  There is a very accessible trivia game that proves my ignorance. I can’t wait 
until the grandchildren come over for dinner this evening and I can see if I 
know more than a fifth grader.

I do not think it could work well on an IPhone because one of the most 
interesting features is moving your finger over the world map and having the 
oceans and countries named. Many of the countries are small and my fingers are 
large.

   

  I found it is best using the app with voice over turned off.  Two finger 
swipes up and down gets you to the menus and a two finger swipe to the right or 
left moves you through the choices. A double tap selects the item.

   

  I had problems getting back to the main menu so I pressed the home button, 
opened the app switcher and closed talking atlas completely. then when I opened 
the app again I could get to the settings and store menu. Unless you want maps 
of India, there are no other choices.

  Of the few countries I checked out, there is an extensive history list of 
important dates. Other information can be found out for free on apps like World 
facts.  But this app plays the national anthem of every country and describes 
the flag completely.

   

  There is another great option: choose a country like Japan, put your finger 
on the map and it will tell you to go, north, go east, go east, go south, 
until, Congratulations, you found Japan.  A really fun way to find out where 
countries are located. An for this American, if it doesn’t have a MacDonalds or 
a Wal-Mart, I probably don’t know where it is on the map.

   

   

  Tom Frank

  vermont...@gmail.com

   

   

   

On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 

It is called exactly what the subject says "Talking Atlas".
the link is https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/talking-atlas/id929571300?mt=8

If you search using the App Store app on an iPhone or iPod Touch you won't 
find it since it's an iPad app only. It costs $29.99 and uses 488 Mb of space.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad

Here is a video tutorial where y’all can hear the app in action.
http://triodoxic.com/Talkingatlas/TalkingAtlasTutorial.mp4

HTH,
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What's the name of the app exactly?

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a trivia crack question

[Liz And Sammie]

Is there a way that we can find out what the correct answer to  a question is 
if we get an answer wrong? What hand gesture will help with this? 


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Re: Saving documents in icloud in voice dream writer

[Carla Savage]

Hi Andrew,
How about using Dropbox instead of ICloud? Just wondered whether you could fix 
your problem that way?
Take care,
Carla.


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> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:32 am, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Thank you for replying.  I will see whether deleting all the previous edits 
> will help.  I too struggled to find the way to close the file and as you 
> said, you can only do it if you add another file to the Writer.  I hope the 
> developer is going to provide this facility.  I like the Writer a lot so I do 
> hope for some improvements.  More interestingly, in yet another attempt to 
> solve the issue, I tried to export my .txt file into .rtf file to obtain the 
> last edit but having done so, I I could not find the .rtf file at all in the 
> Writer folder in icloud drive which is where I had chosen to save the file.  
> Anna, can you recommend another application that would work seamlessly 
> between iphone and mac using icloud drive or dropbox?  I find Pages 
> unsatisfactory because when I'm on cellular connection away from home, my 
> edits don't get passed att all into the icloud drive, and I don't understand 
> why.  I had a correspondence about this with Tim on the list and he seems to 
> have no problem with this in Pages but I can't make it work.  This is pretty 
> irritating to me because I keep getting new apps and I can't find the 
> solution to a simple thing that is supposed to work, i.e. editing a file 
> between iphone and mac and being sure that the changes are going to be there 
> when I get home.
> 
> Sorry for this long post.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew
>> On 21 Feb 2015, at 22:44, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I've been able to do just as you say - open a file in Writer, make changes, 
>> then open that file on my computer and edit. I've also started a file on the 
>> computer and opened it in Writer. I wonder if you have multiple edits and 
>> might have better luck if you deleted all but the most recent one.
>> 
>> I have had a problem where the last thing I typed in Writer wasn't saved. I 
>> wish there was a way to close a file when I'm done with it in Writer, but 
>> the only option seems to be opening a different file.
>> 
>> Sorry I can't be of more help.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> What is your experience of saving documents into icloud in voice dream 
>>> writer?  I assumed since this facility existed that I could save a document 
>>> into iCloud and once it's saved, I could then open it on my mac or another 
>>> iDevice, add some text, and then open it again in voice dream writer.  But 
>>> this doesn't seem to be the case.  Voice dream writer saves versions of the 
>>> document in icloud giving them numbers after the name but I can't open them 
>>> on my mac to edit them or add content.  I am also struggling to find a way 
>>> of closing a document in voice dream writer.  There doesn't seem to be a 
>>> way of doing so at all.  I am struggling to understand how icloud function 
>>> is supposed to work in voice dream writer.  I've read the help file but it 
>>> doesn't seem to make things clear. I wrote to the developer a few days ago 
>>> but as yet I've not heard.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: a trivia crack question

[Ezzie Bueno]

Last weekend, someone had posted that a two finger swipe upwards would give us 
the correct answer to the wrong question on trivia crack. So far, that has not 
worked for me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Liz And Sammie  
> wrote:
> 
> Is there a way that we can find out what the correct answer to  a question is 
> if we get an answer wrong? What hand gesture will help with this? 
> 
> 
> Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie
> 
> 
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Re: App refund options was Shortcuts keyboard with VoiceOver support

[Brent Harding]

I thought once you do it, you can't go get it with the gift card later, so 
if the app ever did become accessible, you're then forever out of luck. I've 
never done it before, but that's what someone says happened, that you're 
then not allowed to have it even if they fix the accessibility and make it 
usable.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ioana Gandrabur" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:34 PM
Subject: App refund options was Shortcuts keyboard with VoiceOver support


In  my experience apple has made it quite easy to return apps within I think 
2 weeks. You can click on "report a problem" in the email you get with the 
receipt.  I did this twice ones because I meant to buy the app with a gift 
card and accidentally got it before it was applied. An other time because of 
accessibility. The refund was instantanious.

I should add I'm in Canada, just in case this is region speciffic.
Best,
Ioana



Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


Last I knew, Apple's official policy was that all purchases are final. 
Googling provides lots of sites with suggestions on how to return App 
Store purchases, and I think people have had some success requesting to be 
refunded for inaccessible apps.



On 02/20/2015 09:22 AM, Tara Prakash wrote:
any idea how it will be better than the same feature that iphone
allows in the keyboard settings?
Secondly, what is Apple's policy on apps that you purchased but found
either not useful or inaccessible?

Thanks for responding




On 2/20/15, Steve Matzura  wrote:
I was going to ask a similar question--what exactly does this program
do?


On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:22:49 -0600, you wrote:

I'm not sure what this offers over the shortcuts we can already use 
with

the IOS keyboard, but I do like that they mention VoiceOver support in
their updates.


On 02/20/2015 06:52 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Shortcuts Keyboard by Matt Gardner
https://appsto.re/us/1vK32.i










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RE: a trivia crack question

[Jim Ruby]

Two finger swipe up, but you have to do it very quickly as soon as you start 
hearing the sound that you got the answer wrong. For sighted people the answer 
don't stay there long either.



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Subject: a trivia crack question

Is there a way that we can find out what the correct answer to  a question is 
if we get an answer wrong? What hand gesture will help with this? 


Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie


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Re: Apple Pay with two phones

[Brent Harding]

I think you get prompted for verification on any card that isn't part of 
iTunes. With Capitalone 360, I was able to verify by downloading their 
wallet app. The only odd thing is that now that there's Google Wallet, and 
this Wallet, both named Wallet, it's hard to tell which Wallet is which 
until I open one.


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicky Collins" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Pay with two phones


I did indeed get my new iPhone 6 case today, so went ahead and
set up the device.  As for Apple Pay, as part of the phone setup
process, I was asked if I wanted to add my card on file with
iTunes to Apple Pay, to which I said yes, entered the three digit
code on the card, and it went through without a problem.  But, my
second card needed to be added manually; and, as suspected, I got
the message that I needed to call my bank as verification was
required.  Since it was late when I started the setup process,
I'll give my bank a call tomorrow, which I guess will actually be
later on today now.  Oh, the card on file was my debit card,
while the second one I was trying to add was my credit card,
although I don't know whether it being a credit card caused the
verification or not, but I did have to call when I put that
credit card on my 6 plus as well.

- Original Message -
From: Vicky Collins  wrote:

Does anyone know how Apple Pay works when one has two iPhones.

As you might recall, I purchased my iPhone 6 plus 16 GB when the
phones were first available.  But, wanting to try the 6, as well
as get a 64 GB model, I just recently purchased an unlocked 6
from Apple.  I had thought about going to the AT&T store and
paying off the Next plan on my 6 plus, as well as getting the 64
GB 6 from them, but opted to leave the Next in place for now and
just buy online directly from Apple.

Since my new 6 is unlocked, I'm reasonably sure I can put my AT&T
sim card in the phone and restore from my iCloud backup.  But,
how will doing this affect the two credit cards I now have in
Apple Pay on my iPhone 6 plus? I'm guessing they will stay on the
plus, but will I be able to also add them on my 6, as I'm
figuring they won't just transfer over.

As a side note, this time, my iPhone was shipped from here in the
States, from Tennessee, rather than from China as was my iPhone 6
plus.  I ordered it this past Sunday and was scheduled to get it
Tuesday, but it didn't arrive until today because of the bad
weather we've been having lately.

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Re: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

[Richard Turner]

I'm using the latest Window-Eyes and after the 12.1.1 patch it is working much 
better.
I assume you have rebooted the machine after the itunes 12.1.1 install?
Richard




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> I am running windows 7 64 bit and I did get the patch and I am running
> Itunes 12.1.1.
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pandora question

[Donald Bishop]

Running pandora on my iphone 6 plus and latest ios.  
When you go to “create station” in pandora and select one of the stations, I’s 
added to your playlist.  Question:  how do you delete a station if you decide 
you don’t want it afterall?

Thanks,
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Re: pandora question

[Feliciano Godoy]

Not possible with the current version on iphone with voiceover. 

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> On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Donald Bishop  wrote:
> 
> Running pandora on my iphone 6 plus and latest ios.  
> When you go to “create station” in pandora and select one of the stations, 
> I’s added to your playlist.  Question:  how do you delete a station if you 
> decide you don’t want it afterall?
> 
> Thanks,
> don  
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google authenticator

[Dave Bahr]

Hey, does google authenticator work with voiceover? I had it installed 
about a year ago to try doing 2-step verrification for google but I 
couldn't get the code fast enough to copy it from the authenticator app 
to the google service i was trying to login to. I was thinking of 
enabling TSV on a few other services I use just for protection but if I 
can't use the google authenticator app on my phone, what's the point? 
Anyone have any advice?


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Re: google authenticator

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I find it works well now. It was not so good a year or sow ago.
Max.
> On 23 Feb 2015, at 2:44 pm, Dave Bahr  wrote:
> 
> Hey, does google authenticator work with voiceover? I had it installed about 
> a year ago to try doing 2-step verrification for google but I couldn't get 
> the code fast enough to copy it from the authenticator app to the google 
> service i was trying to login to. I was thinking of enabling TSV on a few 
> other services I use just for protection but if I can't use the google 
> authenticator app on my phone, what's the point? Anyone have any advice?
> 
> thanks
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voice dream reader?

[Maria and Joe Chapman]

Hi.

For some reason I am suddenly unable to add books to voice dream reader via 
iTunes.  I am using the latest version of iTunes on the mac.  when I navigate 
to the apps table and select voice dream, then select add, and try to add a zip 
file, I get told I don’t have permission to view this file and it cannot be 
added to voice dream reader.  I have been able to add files this way lots of 
times in the past.

thanks for any ideas.
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Re: Apple Pay with two phones

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

My credit card was the one I use for iTunes, but I had to verify it to use it 
for ApplePay. I had the options to verify via email, text message, or calling. 
I've done this twice now; once I used email, and once a text message. So maybe 
it depends which card you're adding how the particular card company wants to 
handle verification.

Best,
Anna



> On Feb 22, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I think you get prompted for verification on any card that isn't part of 
> iTunes. With Capitalone 360, I was able to verify by downloading their wallet 
> app. The only odd thing is that now that there's Google Wallet, and this 
> Wallet, both named Wallet, it's hard to tell which Wallet is which until I 
> open one.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Vicky Collins" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple Pay with two phones
> 
> 
> I did indeed get my new iPhone 6 case today, so went ahead and
> set up the device.  As for Apple Pay, as part of the phone setup
> process, I was asked if I wanted to add my card on file with
> iTunes to Apple Pay, to which I said yes, entered the three digit
> code on the card, and it went through without a problem.  But, my
> second card needed to be added manually; and, as suspected, I got
> the message that I needed to call my bank as verification was
> required.  Since it was late when I started the setup process,
> I'll give my bank a call tomorrow, which I guess will actually be
> later on today now.  Oh, the card on file was my debit card,
> while the second one I was trying to add was my credit card,
> although I don't know whether it being a credit card caused the
> verification or not, but I did have to call when I put that
> credit card on my 6 plus as well.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Vicky Collins  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:35:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: Apple Pay with two phones
> 
> Thanks much for letting me know.  Hope my bank doesn't give me
> any problems when I give this a try later on today.  Or, at least
> I think it will be today, depending on how behind packages are
> still being delivered due to the weather, as I'm waiting to put
> my iPhone in a case before using it.  I'll try and report back
> later.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Cheryl Homiak  To: viphone Email list  Date sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:39:03 -0600
> Subject: Re: Apple Pay with two phones
> 
> I also have two phones.  It appears you need to do each one
> separately.
> 
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> "Above all, fear the Lord
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 19, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Vicky Collins
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how Apple Pay works when one has two iPhones.
> 
> As you might recall, I purchased my iPhone 6 plus 16 GB when the
> phones were first available.  But, wanting to try the 6, as well
> as get a 64 GB model, I just recently purchased an unlocked 6
> from Apple.  I had thought about going to the AT&T store and
> paying off the Next plan on my 6 plus, as well as getting the 64
> GB 6 from them, but opted to leave the Next in place for now and
> just buy online directly from Apple.
> 
> Since my new 6 is unlocked, I'm reasonably sure I can put my AT&T
> sim card in the phone and restore from my iCloud backup.  But,
> how will doing this affect the two credit cards I now have in
> Apple Pay on my iPhone 6 plus? I'm guessing they will stay on the
> plus, but will I be able to also add them on my 6, as I'm
> figuring they won't just transfer over.
> 
> As a side note, this time, my iPhone was shipped from here in the
> States, from Tennessee, rather than from China as was my iPhone 6
> plus.  I ordered it this past Sunday and was scheduled to get it
> Tuesday, but it didn't arrive until today because of the bad
> weather we've been having lately.
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Re: voice dream reader?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Maria,

Could there be something wrong with the file you're trying to add? Try 
unzipping it to check.

Best,
Ana



> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> For some reason I am suddenly unable to add books to voice dream reader via 
> iTunes.  I am using the latest version of iTunes on the mac.  when I navigate 
> to the apps table and select voice dream, then select add, and try to add a 
> zip file, I get told I don’t have permission to view this file and it cannot 
> be added to voice dream reader.  I have been able to add files this way lots 
> of times in the past.
> 
> thanks for any ideas.
> Maria and Joe Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: pandora question

[Shai]

Hi,
Have you contacted support about this? They were very nice in
assisting me with the accessibility of their app the last time I
contacted them.


On 2/22/15, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:
> Not possible with the current version on iphone with voiceover.
>
>   Regards, Feliciano
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>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Donald Bishop  wrote:
>>
>> Running pandora on my iphone 6 plus and latest ios.
>> When you go to “create station” in pandora and select one of the stations,
>> I’s added to your playlist.  Question:  how do you delete a station if you
>> decide you don’t want it afterall?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> don
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Dubious voice dream update

[Mary Otten]

I am just seeing an update from voice dream reader. It will require that you 
download all of your previously purchased voices, in return for avalability of 
some new ones, of dubious value, in my opinion, and for some supposedly minor 
improvements in existing voices. I plan to skip this one, unless I hear that 
there are substantial improvements to the existing voices that I already have. 
A cappella voices are for me at least less than wonderful. So any additions in 
that family or not appealing to me personally. Just a warning.
Mary


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Re: voice dream reader?

[Maria and Joe Chapman]

Hi.

no.  I tried several files and unzipped them just fine on the mac.

thanks.
Maria and Joe Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com



On 23 Feb 2015, at 3:15 pm, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:

> Hello Maria,
> 
> Could there be something wrong with the file you're trying to add? Try 
> unzipping it to check.
> 
> Best,
> Ana
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> For some reason I am suddenly unable to add books to voice dream reader via 
>> iTunes.  I am using the latest version of iTunes on the mac.  when I 
>> navigate to the apps table and select voice dream, then select add, and try 
>> to add a zip file, I get told I don’t have permission to view this file and 
>> it cannot be added to voice dream reader.  I have been able to add files 
>> this way lots of times in the past.
>> 
>> thanks for any ideas.
>> Maria and Joe Chapman
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Dubious voice dream update

[Alex Hall]

It's a minor inconvenience at worst. You install the update, open the app, tap 
Settings > Manage Voices, and download the ones you want. You don't need to pay 
again, if that's the concern.
> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am just seeing an update from voice dream reader. It will require that you 
> download all of your previously purchased voices, in return for avalability 
> of some new ones, of dubious value, in my opinion, and for some supposedly 
> minor improvements in existing voices. I plan to skip this one, unless I hear 
> that there are substantial improvements to the existing voices that I already 
> have. A cappella voices are for me at least less than wonderful. So any 
> additions in that family or not appealing to me personally. Just a warning.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

[Ron Pelletier]

Christopher,

The point here is that Ioana is not in Europe, she is in Canada and she stated 
that she has received refunds several times.  Its not a guarantee as she said 
but it works.  I assume that if you do it too often, they would get wise but, 
meanwhile, let's use it wisely and not dispute it.

Ron & Danvers


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad

The web page I referred to at
http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund talks about the US refund policy, 
and it does state that there's a 14 day return policy, but it also explicitly 
says this does not include electronic downloads. In fact, here's what it says 
with respect to that point:

There are some items, however, that are ineligible for return, including:

 Opened software*
 Electronic Software Downloads
 Software Up-to-Date Program Products (software upgrades)
 Apple Store Gift Cards
 Apple Developer Connection Products (Membership and Technical Support)
 Apple Print Products

*You can return software, provided that it has not been installed on any 
computer. Software that contains a printed software license may not be returned 
if the seal or sticker on the software media packaging is broken.

I Googled but couldn't find Apple's return policy for Europe, but I did find a 
bunch of articles like the one at 
http://9to5mac.com/2014/12/29/app-store-itunes-refunds-eu/ where it does refer 
to Apple's change in their return policy in Europe to include App Store 
purchases. It also states in this article that the return policy in North 
America has not changed, and that all sales are final except at the discretion 
of Apple.

BTW, the two hour window to return apps purchased from Google Play is not just 
in Europe but covers the US if not the rest of the world as well.

On 02/22/2015 01:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hi Christopher,
>
> As of November last year Apple changed their terms and conditions in European 
> union countries to allow for a 14-day return policy which is in line with 
> what the EU recommends. You can find this easily by Googling it. Remember 
> that many members on this list are from Europe so they may believe this is 
> true here as well which it is not. Having said this, an article I read about 
> this pointed out that Apple did indeed implement such a policy, but they 
> essentially circumvent it by also saying that refunds only apply if the 
> content has not yet been downloaded. Of course most Apple digital content 
> begins to download once you buy it so it appears to be for cosmetic reasons 
> only.
>
> The article also points out that on the Google Play store in EU countries you 
> have 2 hours to request a refund and 2 weeks for music subscriptions.
>
> I should also mention that I have received refunds for 2 apps which I found 
> were not accessible after asking for it nicely and explaining the problem, 
> but it is definitely a decision the iTunes Store support people make on a per 
> case bases and I would not count on it. I also doubt it would apply to an app 
> like Talking Atlas which the developer has specifically made accessible even 
> though some may find it unacceptable that they have to turn off Voiceover or 
> something along those lines. At some point a couple of weeks ago I saw a 
> message where somebody had purchased KNFB Reader and apparently they couldn't 
> get good results and were asking if they could get a refund. I doubt this 
> would be granted since this was obviously user error since the app works 
> great for everybody else.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for 
> iPad
>
> Maybe you could provide a link to a page where these terms and conditions you 
> refer to are spelled out. As I said, I pointed to Apple's own page on their 
> official refund policy, where it states that electronic dowloads are not 
> covered by their refund policy.
>
> In addition, the page at
> http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html says:
>
> All sales and rentals of products are final.
>
> Prices for products offered via the Services may change at any time, and the 
> Services do not provide price protection or refunds in the event of a price 
> reduction or promotional offering.
>
> If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to 
> download, your sole remedy is a refund. If technical problems prevent or 
> unreasonably delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole remedy 
> is either replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined by 

Re: pandora question

[Feliciano Godoy]

I have, they are aware of the bug. Whoever encounters this should also submit a 
report.

  Regards, Feliciano



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> On Feb 22, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Shai  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Have you contacted support about this? They were very nice in
> assisting me with the accessibility of their app the last time I
> contacted them.
> 
> 
>> On 2/22/15, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:
>> Not possible with the current version on iphone with voiceover.
>> 
>>  Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Donald Bishop  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Running pandora on my iphone 6 plus and latest ios.
>>> When you go to “create station” in pandora and select one of the stations,
>>> I’s added to your playlist.  Question:  how do you delete a station if you
>>> decide you don’t want it afterall?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> don
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RE: Dubious voice dream update

[Cristóbal]

No big deal. Took me like thirty seconds to re-download my voices again. 
Nothing dubious about it. Of course, some of the new voices on my end at least 
gave me an error message when trying to play the samples. Spanish and English. 
I think I was only able to play one or two of them. I’m still hopefully for 
increased playback speed for the MP3 files eventually.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; John Riehl
Subject: Dubious voice dream update

I am just seeing an update from voice dream reader. It will require that you 
download all of your previously purchased voices, in return for avalability of 
some new ones, of dubious value, in my opinion, and for some supposedly minor 
improvements in existing voices. I plan to skip this one, unless I hear that 
there are substantial improvements to the existing voices that I already have. 
A cappella voices are for me at least less than wonderful. So any additions in 
that family or not appealing to me personally. Just a warning.
Mary


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Re: Dubious voice dream update

[Harry Bell]

I have just updated voice dream reader and writer. Reader voices newly 
downloaded work fine but none of my purchased voices now work on Writer at all! 
I have had to go back to using iOS voices in the writer app. Am I alone with 
this bug? Harry

 

> On 23 Feb 2015, at 05:56, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> No big deal. Took me like thirty seconds to re-download my voices again. 
> Nothing dubious about it. Of course, some of the new voices on my end at 
> least gave me an error message when trying to play the samples. Spanish and 
> English. I think I was only able to play one or two of them. I’m still 
> hopefully for increased playback speed for the MP3 files eventually.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; John Riehl
> Subject: Dubious voice dream update
> 
> I am just seeing an update from voice dream reader. It will require that you 
> download all of your previously purchased voices, in return for avalability 
> of some new ones, of dubious value, in my opinion, and for some supposedly 
> minor improvements in existing voices. I plan to skip this one, unless I hear 
> that there are substantial improvements to the existing voices that I already 
> have. A cappella voices are for me at least less than wonderful. So any 
> additions in that family or not appealing to me personally. Just a warning.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Dubious voice dream update

[BBS]

Yes, I'm getting the same error message when downloading samples for the new 
voices here too. It's a shame because I really wanted to hear how Ashley 
from Neospeech sounds. Also, I'm disappointed that the new Sharon voice from 
Acapela wasn't included with the new voices. I'm using her with NVDA right 
now and she's the best voice Acapela has made in a long time. Mary, I'm with 
you. I don't like most of Acapela's voices, but once you hear Sharon's 
voice, you'll be blown away as I was. I kinda wonder though how Winston's 
getting the Acapela voices. Maybe from Assistiveware? If so, that might 
explain why Sharon wasn't included.


Shawn
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- Original Message - 
From: "Cristóbal" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: Dubious voice dream update


No big deal. Took me like thirty seconds to re-download my voices again. 
Nothing dubious about it. Of course, some of the new voices on my end at 
least gave me an error message when trying to play the samples. Spanish and 
English. I think I was only able to play one or two of them. I’m still 
hopefully for increased playback speed for the MP3 files eventually.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; John Riehl
Subject: Dubious voice dream update

I am just seeing an update from voice dream reader. It will require that you 
download all of your previously purchased voices, in return for avalability 
of some new ones, of dubious value, in my opinion, and for some supposedly 
minor improvements in existing voices. I plan to skip this one, unless I 
hear that there are substantial improvements to the existing voices that I 
already have. A cappella voices are for me at least less than wonderful. So 
any additions in that family or not appealing to me personally. Just a 
warning.

Mary


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