RE: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime During Startup

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If the regular iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the sound it can't be part of the A16 
chip because they only have the A15, same as the iPhone 13/13 Mini and 13 
Pro/Pro Max.
Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max is getting the A16 chip.

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Subject: Fwd: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New 
Chime During Startup


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Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime 
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>From the Tech-VI list owner:
The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models will have the ability to play a chime 
during the boot process. This has been an option which many blind iPhone users 
have wanted for years. Rather than posting the entire article I am pasting just 
the relevant section below. If you go to the original source link you can hear 
what the new chime sounds like. Please note that on my PC the sound was a bit 
louder than expected. Those using headphones, earbuds or who have sensitivity 
to loud sounds should be aware of this.

Original 
Source


Boot chime for iPhone 14 Pro

Another new feature coming to iPhone 14 Pro models is a boot chime. More 
specifically, users will have the option to make the iPhone play a sound every 
time the device is turned on or off as part of the iOS accessibility features.

Since the startup sound is played during the boot process, the chime is part of 
the bootrom of the new A16 chip – which is probably why this option is not 
available for other iPhone models.


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RE: A concern about iPhone 12 and battery

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Even at 80% it should not go from 100% to below 30% in 5 or 6 hours.
But checking Settings > Battery is a good start because here you can also see 
which apps use up the most battery.
My iPhone 11 is also just under 2 years old and my battery health is at 85%, I 
still get pretty much all day battery life, but where in the beginning I may 
have been at 40% or so at the end of the day I am now at 20%.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 8:38 PM
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Subject: Re: A concern about iPhone 12 and battery

Jim,
Open settings, Battery and double tap battery health.
If your battery is over 80% maximum capacity; Apple says you should be OK. But 
from my experience if it shows your maximum capacity is under 85%, you may want 
to take it to an Apple store and see about a battery replacement, which should 
be under $70.
Make an appointment of course before doing that.





Richard
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On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
Greetings,
I have noticed lately that the battery on my iPhone 12 seems to hold a charge 
for less period of time than before. I realize that I use my phone a lot, but 
it seems as though I have to charge it much more than before. I don’t use any 
new apps that would take up a lot of battery, and I close the apps that I 
frequently use. Also, I noticed that there are more times these days where my 
phone gets warm, we are as I don’t think I have noticed that before. There are 
times when it actually gets hot.
Should I be concerned with more charges, and the battery going down faster than 
before? Should I be concerned regarding the warmth or heat of my phone at times?
My iPhone is right at two years old. I got it October, 2020. I definitely 
qualify for an upgrade now, and I am wondering if this might be a sign to look 
at something new.
I am going on vacation next week, and I want my phone to behave and keep a 
battery charge for a while. I don’t want to go from 100% charge in the morning 
to less than 30% charge f five or six hours later, when the phone is hardly 
being used. This is not normal for me.
Any thoughts?
Jim

Sent from my iPhone 12!

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RE: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is my understanding that the chime is a new accessibility option which all 
iPhone 14 models have.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 9:01 PM
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Subject: Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

I also read the pro models will have a chime at start up. I will forward the 
email I got.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> The satellite alert was the most compelling part of the presentation.
> An article in Mac Rumors says the service will not be available until 
> November. It will also not work above 62 degrees latitude, which is 
> the far northern parts of Canada and Alaska.
> 
> I believe Apple is offering it free because it wants to be the first 
> phone with satellite communication. It has not figured out how to 
> price the service and who should provide it long term so Apple is 
> giving itself two years to figure all of this out.
> 
> Personally, I live in a big city and use Verizon as my network, which 
> has the greatest amount of coverage of any cell phone network in 
> America. I would rarely if ever need the service. I love my 13 Mini 
> and will wait until at least for the USB-C iPhones.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On 9/7/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and 
>> the build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during 
>> the event that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for 
>> cycle tracking and may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, 
>> they did not say you could simply use it to measure your body 
>> temperature as you can with a Withings Thermo or other body 
>> temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or not.
>> T
>> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba 
>> diving than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to 
>> the Philippines I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a 
>> dive computer; but it's definitely an impressive watch.
>> 
>> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they 
>> didn't say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple 
>> released a new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one 
>> from the year before.
>> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera 
>> system and always-on display possible.
>> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency 
>> SOS via satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when 
>> they said it was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would 
>> indicate, however, that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of 
>> course let's not forget that it is only available for the United States and 
>> Canada at that point.
>> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always 
>> the case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where 
>> it took a while for Canada to get it).
>> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you 
>> are driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will 
>> never happen) you may get help quicker.
>> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
>> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
>> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 
>> models will now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>> 
>> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 
>> or 13 Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you 
>> spend considerable time out of cell service and may want the added 
>> peace of mind the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also 
>> share your location via Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite 
>> figured out if you can simply send text messages to somebody else, 
>> but I don't think so. If you have dedicated devices like Garmin's 
>> Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course also requires 
>> you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody and 
>> receive text replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big 
>> production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. An 
>> Inreach or Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it 
>> works just fine and none of these devices have an external antenna 
>> which during the presentation Apple hinted would be required. 
>> Anyways, the satellite SOS is definitely a good start and once again 
>> something new and innovative Apple has introduced and I would bet 
>> money on it that within the next year or so Android phones will be 
>> released which also have this. What surprised me was that Apple seems 
>> to have set u p their own centre for this, but that is probably the only way 
>> they can offer this for free and they also didn't say which satellite 
>> network they use for this, 

RE: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If  the satellite functionality doesn't work above 62 degrees North they 
probably use Globalstar satellites because Iridium definitely work much further 
north than that and probably do so all the way to the pole.
And 62 degrees is not really all that far north in Canada since the border 
between the provinces to the Territories west of Hudson Bay runs along the 60th 
parallel. Whitehorse, the capital of the Yukon Territory is between 60 and 61 
degrees, Yellowknife, the capital of the Northwest Territory is at well over 62 
degrees. In Alaska Anchorage is just below the 62nd parallel, but Fairbanks is 
well over 64 degrees. I guess the number of people who live above 62 degrees is 
quite small when compared to the population of the country, but then again it 
is where this service would be most needed and where a lot of work happens like 
mining, oil/gas and so on.
I think this will be a great feature for the places further south in Canada 
where the largest number of people venture out into the outdoors because in 
Vancouver for example one can be just a few miles from the city in some valley 
in the mountains and you won't have cell coverage. There are dozens and maybe 
hundreds of search and rescue call outs each year when some city slicker in 
running shoes and shorts thinks they need to go for a hike in the north shore 
mountains, in Vancouver it's maybe nice and warm yet even now in September the 
days are getting short and you can run into very nasty weather in the mountains.
I don't see this new feature taking away much business from companies like 
Garmin or Zoleo yet because these devices are much more reliable and while it 
costs money and it isn't cheap, if you are really spending a lot of time out of 
cell coverage and you have to communicate for work or whatever then these are 
still your best option. A plan with unlimited messages is about $70 Canadian a 
month, but you can also suspend it if you mostly use the device only during the 
summer, then you pay $5/month which keeps everything active until you activate 
it again for full usage. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 8:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

The satellite alert was the most compelling part of the presentation.
An article in Mac Rumors says the service will not be available until November. 
It will also not work above 62 degrees latitude, which is the far northern 
parts of Canada and Alaska.

I believe Apple is offering it free because it wants to be the first phone with 
satellite communication. It has not figured out how to price the service and 
who should provide it long term so Apple is giving itself two years to figure 
all of this out.

Personally, I live in a big city and use Verizon as my network, which has the 
greatest amount of coverage of any cell phone network in America. I would 
rarely if ever need the service. I love my 13 Mini and will wait until at least 
for the USB-C iPhones.

Kelly


On 9/7/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and 
> the build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during 
> the event that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for 
> cycle tracking and may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, 
> they did not say you could simply use it to measure your body 
> temperature as you can with a Withings Thermo or other body 
> temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or not.
> T
> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba 
> diving than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the 
> Philippines I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive 
> computer; but it's definitely an impressive watch.
>
> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they 
> didn't say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple 
> released a new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one 
> from the year before.
> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera 
> system and always-on display possible.
> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS 
> via satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they 
> said it was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would 
> indicate, however, that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of 
> course let's not forget that it is only available for the United States and 
> Canada at that point.
> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always 
> the case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where 
> it took a while for Canada to get it).
> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are 
> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never 
> happen) you may get help quicker.
> As 

Re: A concern about iPhone 12 and battery

[Anthony Vece]

I would take it to an Apple store and let them check it over.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 11:38 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Open settings, Battery and double tap battery health.
> If your battery is over 80% maximum capacity; Apple says you should be OK. 
> But from my experience if it shows your maximum capacity is under 85%, you 
> may want to take it to an Apple store and see about a battery replacement, 
> which should be under $70.
> Make an appointment of course before doing that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
>>> 
>> Greetings,
>> I have noticed lately that the battery on my iPhone 12 seems to hold a 
>> charge for less period of time than before. I realize that I use my phone a 
>> lot, but it seems as though I have to charge it much more than before. I 
>> don’t use any new apps that would take up a lot of battery, and I close the 
>> apps that I frequently use. Also, I noticed that there are more times these 
>> days where my phone gets warm, we are as I don’t think I have noticed that 
>> before. There are times when it actually gets hot.
>> Should I be concerned with more charges, and the battery going down faster 
>> than before? Should I be concerned regarding the warmth or heat of my phone 
>> at times?
>> My iPhone is right at two years old. I got it October, 2020. I definitely 
>> qualify for an upgrade now, and I am wondering if this might be a sign to 
>> look at something new.
>> I am going on vacation next week, and I want my phone to behave and keep a 
>> battery charge for a while. I don’t want to go from 100% charge in the 
>> morning to less than 30% charge f five or six hours later, when the phone is 
>> hardly being used. This is not normal for me.
>> Any thoughts?
>> Jim  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 12!
>> 
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Fwd: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime During Startup

[CHELA Robles]

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: David Goldfield 
> Date: September 7, 2022 at 8:52:13 PM PDT
> To: Tech-VI Announcement List 
> Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime 
> During Startup
> Reply-To: tech...@groups.io
> 
> 
> From the Tech-VI list owner:
> The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models will have the ability to play a chime 
> during the boot process. This has been an option which many blind iPhone 
> users have wanted for years. Rather than posting the entire article I am 
> pasting just the relevant section below. If you go to the original source 
> link you can hear what the new chime sounds like. Please note that on my PC 
> the sound was a bit louder than expected. Those using headphones, earbuds or 
> who have sensitivity to loud sounds should be aware of this.
>  
> Original Source
>  
> 
> Boot chime for iPhone 14 Pro
> 
> Another new feature coming to iPhone 14 Pro models is a boot chime. More 
> specifically, users will have the option to make the iPhone play a sound 
> every time the device is turned on or off as part of the iOS accessibility 
> features.
> 
> Since the startup sound is played during the boot process, the chime is part 
> of the bootrom of the new A16 chip – which is probably why this option is not 
> available for other iPhone models.
> 
>  
>  
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[CHELA Robles]

I also read the pro models will have a chime at start up. I will forward the 
email I got.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> The satellite alert was the most compelling part of the presentation.
> An article in Mac Rumors says the service will not be available until
> November. It will also not work above 62 degrees latitude, which is
> the far northern parts of Canada and Alaska.
> 
> I believe Apple is offering it free because it wants to be the first
> phone with satellite communication. It has not figured out how to
> price the service and who should provide it long term so Apple is
> giving itself two years to figure all of this out.
> 
> Personally, I live in a big city and use Verizon as my network, which
> has the greatest amount of coverage of any cell phone network in
> America. I would rarely if ever need the service. I love my 13 Mini
> and will wait until at least for the USB-C iPhones.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On 9/7/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the
>> build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event
>> that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and
>> may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could
>> simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings
>> Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or
>> not.
>> T
>> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving
>> than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines
>> I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's
>> definitely an impressive watch.
>> 
>> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't
>> say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a new
>> iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year
>> before.
>> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera system
>> and always-on display possible.
>> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via
>> satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it
>> was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however,
>> that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget
>> that it is only available for the United States and Canada at that point.
>> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the case
>> (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a while
>> for Canada to get it).
>> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are
>> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never happen)
>> you may get help quicker.
>> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
>> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
>> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models will
>> now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>> 
>> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13
>> Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend
>> considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind
>> the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location via
>> Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply send
>> text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have dedicated
>> devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course
>> also requires you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody
>> and receive text replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big
>> production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. An Inreach or
>> Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it works just fine
>> and none of these devices have an external antenna which during the
>> presentation Apple hinted would be required. Anyways, the satellite SOS is
>> definitely a good start and once again something new and innovative Apple
>> has introduced and I would bet money on it that within the next year or so
>> Android phones will be released which also have this. What surprised me was
>> that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre for this, but that is
>> probably the only way they can offer this for free and they also didn't say
>> which satellite network they use for this, i.e. Iridium or Globalstar.
>> 
>> Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do it
>> would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain the
>> LiDAR feature.
>> As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it
>> doesn't have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I
>> experience what Arnold 

Re: A concern about iPhone 12 and battery

[Richard Turner]

Jim,
Open settings, Battery and double tap battery health.
If your battery is over 80% maximum capacity; Apple says you should be OK. But 
from my experience if it shows your maximum capacity is under 85%, you may want 
to take it to an Apple store and see about a battery replacement, which should 
be under $70.
Make an appointment of course before doing that.





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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> I have noticed lately that the battery on my iPhone 12 seems to hold a charge 
> for less period of time than before. I realize that I use my phone a lot, but 
> it seems as though I have to charge it much more than before. I don’t use any 
> new apps that would take up a lot of battery, and I close the apps that I 
> frequently use. Also, I noticed that there are more times these days where my 
> phone gets warm, we are as I don’t think I have noticed that before. There 
> are times when it actually gets hot.
> Should I be concerned with more charges, and the battery going down faster 
> than before? Should I be concerned regarding the warmth or heat of my phone 
> at times?
> My iPhone is right at two years old. I got it October, 2020. I definitely 
> qualify for an upgrade now, and I am wondering if this might be a sign to 
> look at something new.
> I am going on vacation next week, and I want my phone to behave and keep a 
> battery charge for a while. I don’t want to go from 100% charge in the 
> morning to less than 30% charge f five or six hours later, when the phone is 
> hardly being used. This is not normal for me.
> Any thoughts?
> Jim  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 12!
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Kelly Pierce]

The satellite alert was the most compelling part of the presentation.
An article in Mac Rumors says the service will not be available until
November. It will also not work above 62 degrees latitude, which is
the far northern parts of Canada and Alaska.

I believe Apple is offering it free because it wants to be the first
phone with satellite communication. It has not figured out how to
price the service and who should provide it long term so Apple is
giving itself two years to figure all of this out.

Personally, I live in a big city and use Verizon as my network, which
has the greatest amount of coverage of any cell phone network in
America. I would rarely if ever need the service. I love my 13 Mini
and will wait until at least for the USB-C iPhones.

Kelly


On 9/7/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the
> build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event
> that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and
> may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could
> simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings
> Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or
> not.
> T
> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving
> than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines
> I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's
> definitely an impressive watch.
>
> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't
> say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a new
> iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year
> before.
> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera system
> and always-on display possible.
> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via
> satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it
> was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however,
> that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget
> that it is only available for the United States and Canada at that point.
> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the case
> (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a while
> for Canada to get it).
> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are
> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never happen)
> you may get help quicker.
> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models will
> now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>
> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13
> Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend
> considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind
> the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location via
> Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply send
> text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have dedicated
> devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course
> also requires you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody
> and receive text replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big
> production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. An Inreach or
> Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it works just fine
> and none of these devices have an external antenna which during the
> presentation Apple hinted would be required. Anyways, the satellite SOS is
> definitely a good start and once again something new and innovative Apple
> has introduced and I would bet money on it that within the next year or so
> Android phones will be released which also have this. What surprised me was
> that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre for this, but that is
> probably the only way they can offer this for free and they also didn't say
> which satellite network they use for this, i.e. Iridium or Globalstar.
>
> Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do it
> would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain the
> LiDAR feature.
> As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it
> doesn't have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I
> experience what Arnold Schwarzenegger did in "Junior" I doubt I'll be
> pregnant any time soon.
> In any case, I'll wait to see if my provider wants to offer me a deal I
> can't refuse, Telus already sent me a message yesterday telling me that I am
> on their priority list and will get a call in case I 

Re: ios messenger app - very good news the spoken phrase add as a favorite has gone

[Wendy Lin]

Thanks man, I’ll definitely update my Messenger app. Yeah that is annoying for 
sure when Voiceover announces every chats and messages favourited.

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 5:25 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> Please do update tot he latest ios messenger app, the annoying phrase spoken
> with each contact, added as favorite, has eventually been gone throug this
> update. 
> 
> I am very greatful for those who reported it tot he facebook accessibility.
> Regards
> Davy 
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A concern about iPhone 12 and battery

[Jim Portillo]

Greetings,
I have noticed lately that the battery on my iPhone 12 seems to hold a charge 
for less period of time than before. I realize that I use my phone a lot, but 
it seems as though I have to charge it much more than before. I don’t use any 
new apps that would take up a lot of battery, and I close the apps that I 
frequently use. Also, I noticed that there are more times these days where my 
phone gets warm, we are as I don’t think I have noticed that before. There are 
times when it actually gets hot.
Should I be concerned with more charges, and the battery going down faster than 
before? Should I be concerned regarding the warmth or heat of my phone at times?
My iPhone is right at two years old. I got it October, 2020. I definitely 
qualify for an upgrade now, and I am wondering if this might be a sign to look 
at something new.
I am going on vacation next week, and I want my phone to behave and keep a 
battery charge for a while. I don’t want to go from 100% charge in the morning 
to less than 30% charge f five or six hours later, when the phone is hardly 
being used. This is not normal for me.
Any thoughts?
Jim  

Sent from my iPhone 12!

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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Richard Turner]

iOS 16 compatible iPhones will include the new 14's and the following:

iPhone 13 
iPhone 13 mini 
iPhone 13 Pro 
iPhone 13 Pro Max 
iPhone 12 
iPhone 12 mini 
iPhone 12 Pro 
iPhone 12 Pro Max 
iPhone 11 
iPhone 11 Pro 
iPhone 11 Pro Max 
iPhone XS 
iPhone XS Max 
iPhone XR 
iPhone X 
iPhone 8 
iPhone 8 Plus 
iPhone SE (3rd generation) 
iPhone SE (2nd generation) 
Older iPhone Models Won’t Get iOS 16




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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 5:36 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> One more thing to add the AirPods Pro is getting a new upgrade starting at 
> $249 as usual so I may trade in my current version or iteration of the pros 
> and get the next pro model they have tinier earbud silicone tips which is 
> what I need since the current ones are not tiny enough for my ear canals lol!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>> I also have the Apple Watch latest edition of the SE. I find that there is 
>> no reason to upgrade from this particular watch.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>> 
 On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
 
>>> I find that there is no reason to upgrade from the iPhone 13 Pro.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>>> 
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
 
 The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
 build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event 
 that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking 
 and may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you 
 could simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a 
 Withings Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a 
 fever or not.
 T
 He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving 
 than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the 
 Philippines I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive 
 computer; but it's definitely an impressive watch.
  
 The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't 
 say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a 
 new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year 
 before.
 The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera 
 system and always-on display possible.
 I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
 satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it 
 was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, 
 that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget 
 that it is only available for the United States and Canada at that point. 
 For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the 
 case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a 
 while for Canada to get it).
 Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are 
 driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never 
 happen) you may get help quicker.
 As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
 Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
 Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models 
 will now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
  
 Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 
 Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend 
 considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind 
 the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location 
 via Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can 
 simply send text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you 
 have dedicated devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite 
 messenger which of course also requires you to subscribe to one of their 
 plans, you can text anybody and receive text replies from anybody and you 
 don't have to make a big production of pointing your iPhone to where the 
 satellite is. An Inreach or Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top 
 pocket and it works just fine and none of these devices have an external 
 antenna which during the presentation Apple hinted would be required. 
 Anyways, the satellite SOS is definitely a good start and once again 
 something new and innovative Apple has introduced and I would bet money on 
 it that within the next 

Re: iPhone Sound Quality

[Richard Turner]

If this is a change from the prior good quality sound, the microphones probably 
have gunk in them. Note that technical term, grin.
My wife's SE 2020 sounds very good.
both in recordings and over the speakers.
Do you have an Apple store that you could take it too for testing and cleaning?





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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
> 
> For some reason, the audio quality on my iPhone SE 2020 is terrible,
> most noticeable when recording in Voice Memos or when sending audio
> messages. There's a loud hissing, and my voice sounds muffled. I have
> no screen protector on the device. I've never dropped the phone.
> Physically, it's in great shape. Do you have any ideas for what might
> work to rectifiy the issue? The sound quality dramaticaly improves
> with AirPods, but I should hope I don't need to have those connected
> to produce a fair recording. Thanks for any insights.
> 
> Joe
> 
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[CHELA Robles]

One more thing to add the AirPods Pro is getting a new upgrade starting at $249 
as usual so I may trade in my current version or iteration of the pros and get 
the next pro model they have tinier earbud silicone tips which is what I need 
since the current ones are not tiny enough for my ear canals lol!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> I also have the Apple Watch latest edition of the SE. I find that there is 
> no reason to upgrade from this particular watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>> I find that there is no reason to upgrade from the iPhone 13 Pro.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>> 
 On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
>>> build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event 
>>> that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and 
>>> may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could 
>>> simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings 
>>> Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or 
>>> not.
>>> T
>>> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving 
>>> than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines 
>>> I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's 
>>> definitely an impressive watch.
>>>  
>>> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't 
>>> say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a 
>>> new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year 
>>> before.
>>> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera 
>>> system and always-on display possible.
>>> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
>>> satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it 
>>> was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, 
>>> that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget 
>>> that it is only available for the United States and Canada at that point. 
>>> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the 
>>> case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a 
>>> while for Canada to get it).
>>> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are 
>>> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never 
>>> happen) you may get help quicker.
>>> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
>>> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
>>> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models 
>>> will now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>>>  
>>> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 
>>> Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend 
>>> considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind 
>>> the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location 
>>> via Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply 
>>> send text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have 
>>> dedicated devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger 
>>> which of course also requires you to subscribe to one of their plans, you 
>>> can text anybody and receive text replies from anybody and you don't have 
>>> to make a big production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. 
>>> An Inreach or Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it 
>>> works just fine and none of these devices have an external antenna which 
>>> during the presentation Apple hinted would be required. Anyways, the 
>>> satellite SOS is definitely a good start and once again something new and 
>>> innovative Apple has introduced and I would bet money on it that within the 
>>> next year or so Android phones will be released which also have this. What 
>>> surprised me was that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre for 
>>> this, but that is probably the only way they can offer this for free and 
>>> they also didn't say which satellite network they use for this, i.e. 
>>> Iridium or Globalstar.
>>>  
>>> Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do 
>>> it would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain 
>>> the LiDAR feature.
>>> As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it 
>>> doesn't have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I 
>>> experience what Arnold Schwarzenegger did in "Junior" I doubt I'll be 
>>> pregnant any time soon.
>>> In any case, I'll wait to see if my 

Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[CHELA Robles]

Well I thought the audio description was really good. I just wanna say that I’m 
gonna stick with my iPhone 8 Plus until it’s no longer supported with iOS 
versions anymore and obviously until it bites the dust or greatly has a 
significantly degraded battery then I will consider the later models of phones 
as for the Apple Watch I have The fifth series and until that bites the dust 
and is no longer supported regarding watchOS versions, I will use that. The 
ultrasounds really good and so does the eight model. No mention of iOS 16 being 
compatible with older phones but we shall see once it’s rolled out. if I 
remember correctly the 8+ will support iOS 16 but I could be very wrong. and of 
course I think watchOS 9 will support series 5 of its watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> I also have the Apple Watch latest edition of the SE. I find that there is 
> no reason to upgrade from this particular watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>> I find that there is no reason to upgrade from the iPhone 13 Pro.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>> 
 On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
>>> build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event 
>>> that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and 
>>> may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could 
>>> simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings 
>>> Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or 
>>> not.
>>> T
>>> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving 
>>> than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines 
>>> I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's 
>>> definitely an impressive watch.
>>>  
>>> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't 
>>> say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a 
>>> new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year 
>>> before.
>>> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera 
>>> system and always-on display possible.
>>> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
>>> satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it 
>>> was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, 
>>> that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget 
>>> that it is only available for the United States and Canada at that point. 
>>> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the 
>>> case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a 
>>> while for Canada to get it).
>>> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are 
>>> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never 
>>> happen) you may get help quicker.
>>> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
>>> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
>>> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models 
>>> will now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>>>  
>>> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 
>>> Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend 
>>> considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind 
>>> the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location 
>>> via Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply 
>>> send text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have 
>>> dedicated devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger 
>>> which of course also requires you to subscribe to one of their plans, you 
>>> can text anybody and receive text replies from anybody and you don't have 
>>> to make a big production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. 
>>> An Inreach or Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it 
>>> works just fine and none of these devices have an external antenna which 
>>> during the presentation Apple hinted would be required. Anyways, the 
>>> satellite SOS is definitely a good start and once again something new and 
>>> innovative Apple has introduced and I would bet money on it that within the 
>>> next year or so Android phones will be released which also have this. What 
>>> surprised me was that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre for 
>>> this, but that is probably the only way they can offer this for free and 
>>> they also didn't say which satellite network they use for this, i.e. 
>>> Iridium or Globalstar.
>>>  
>>> Will I upgrade from my 

iPhone Sound Quality

[Joe Orozco]

For some reason, the audio quality on my iPhone SE 2020 is terrible,
most noticeable when recording in Voice Memos or when sending audio
messages. There's a loud hissing, and my voice sounds muffled. I have
no screen protector on the device. I've never dropped the phone.
Physically, it's in great shape. Do you have any ideas for what might
work to rectifiy the issue? The sound quality dramaticaly improves
with AirPods, but I should hope I don't need to have those connected
to produce a fair recording. Thanks for any insights.

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Re: how close apps on the watch

[Anthony Vece]

For what it’s worth, I just remove the apps from the dock. Go into the dock 
with the side button.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> 
> I don't think you can close apps on the watch in the same way as you can on 
> the iphone.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 7:28 AM
> To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
> Subject: how close apps on the watch
>  
> You can double press the home button on Iphones with a home button and get a 
> list of open apps. You can select any of these you wish and then do a 3 
> finger swipe up and close those apps. How can I close open apps on the watch?
> 
>  
> 
> I have looked through the apple watch user guide and have googled this topic 
> but can't find anything about this.  Is it even possible?
> 
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Anthony Vece]

I also have the Apple Watch latest edition of the SE. I find that there is no 
reason to upgrade from this particular watch.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> I find that there is no reason to upgrade from the iPhone 13 Pro.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
>> build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event 
>> that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and 
>> may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could 
>> simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings 
>> Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or 
>> not.
>> T
>> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving 
>> than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines 
>> I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's 
>> definitely an impressive watch.
>>  
>> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't 
>> say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a new 
>> iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year before.
>> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera system 
>> and always-on display possible.
>> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
>> satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it 
>> was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, 
>> that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget 
>> that it is only available for the United States and Canada at that point. 
>> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the case 
>> (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a while 
>> for Canada to get it).
>> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are 
>> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never happen) 
>> you may get help quicker.
>> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
>> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
>> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models will 
>> now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>>  
>> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 
>> Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend 
>> considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind 
>> the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location via 
>> Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply send 
>> text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have dedicated 
>> devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course 
>> also requires you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody 
>> and receive text replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big 
>> production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. An Inreach or 
>> Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it works just fine 
>> and none of these devices have an external antenna which during the 
>> presentation Apple hinted would be required. Anyways, the satellite SOS is 
>> definitely a good start and once again something new and innovative Apple 
>> has introduced and I would bet money on it that within the next year or so 
>> Android phones will be released which also have this. What surprised me was 
>> that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre for this, but that is 
>> probably the only way they can offer this for free and they also didn't say 
>> which satellite network they use for this, i.e. Iridium or Globalstar.
>>  
>> Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do it 
>> would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain the 
>> LiDAR feature.
>> As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it 
>> doesn't have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I 
>> experience what Arnold Schwarzenegger did in "Junior" I doubt I'll be 
>> pregnant any time soon.
>> In any case, I'll wait to see if my provider wants to offer me a deal I 
>> can't refuse, Telus already sent me a message yesterday telling me that I am 
>> on their priority list and will get a call in case I want to preorder the 
>> new iPhone although even if I decide to upgrade I would probably rather buy 
>> it outright.
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Anthony Vece]

I find that there is no reason to upgrade from the iPhone 13 Pro.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
> build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event 
> that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and 
> may help women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could 
> simply use it to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings 
> Thermo or other body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or 
> not.
> T
> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving than 
> I currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines I 
> might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's 
> definitely an impressive watch.
>  
> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't say 
> it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a new 
> iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year before.
> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera system 
> and always-on display possible.
> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
> satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it was 
> going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, that 
> ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget that it 
> is only available for the United States and Canada at that point. For once 
> Canada is getting something at launch which was not always the case (Apple 
> New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where it took a while for 
> Canada to get it).
> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are 
> driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never happen) 
> you may get help quicker.
> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models will 
> now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
>  
> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 
> Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend 
> considerable time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind 
> the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also share your location via 
> Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply send 
> text messages to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have dedicated 
> devices like Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course 
> also requires you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody 
> and receive text replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big 
> production of pointing your iPhone to where the satellite is. An Inreach or 
> Zoleo in fact can be in your backpack's top pocket and it works just fine and 
> none of these devices have an external antenna which during the presentation 
> Apple hinted would be required. Anyways, the satellite SOS is definitely a 
> good start and once again something new and innovative Apple has introduced 
> and I would bet money on it that within the next year or so Android phones 
> will be released which also have this. What surprised me was that Apple seems 
> to have set u p their own centre for this, but that is probably the only way 
> they can offer this for free and they also didn't say which satellite network 
> they use for this, i.e. Iridium or Globalstar.
>  
> Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do it 
> would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain the 
> LiDAR feature.
> As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it doesn't 
> have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I experience what 
> Arnold Schwarzenegger did in "Junior" I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon.
> In any case, I'll wait to see if my provider wants to offer me a deal I can't 
> refuse, Telus already sent me a message yesterday telling me that I am on 
> their priority list and will get a call in case I want to preorder the new 
> iPhone although even if I decide to upgrade I would probably rather buy it 
> outright.
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Re: Unable to delete a sms message.

[Anthony Vece]

I would call Apple accessibility at 877-204-3930

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recently exchanged a number of messages with my brother who is an Android 
> user.
> 
> No longer needing to retain the conversation I deleted it in the usual way.
> 
> No matter what I do the most recent message I sent to him and the last in the 
> conversation remains on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.
> 
> I have turned messages off in iCloud but I cannot delete this particular 
> message.
> 
> I have turned the device on and off but when I try to delete the message it 
> just will not go.
> 
> Not an enormous problem but somewhat irritating.
> 
> I can delete the message from my series 7 Apple Watch.
> 
> I have no idea why this particular message cannot be removed from my iPhone 
> it does not contain anything other than plain text.
> 
> As anyone experienced anything simular and if so did you resolve it and how?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Christopher Chaltain]

I’m not a fan of Kim Komando myself, and I agree that a lot of people, myself 
included,  will trade a lot of privacy for convenience, but I don’t agree with 
the apparent sentiment that if Facebook collects all of this information then 
Apple gets a free pass. Not everyone uses Facebook or some of these other 
services that are mentioned, and even if they do, they still should be able to 
know who is suing their data and for what. The worst privacy offender shouldn’t 
set the bar for everyone else.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chuck 
Adkins
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 2:42 PM
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I agree, also remember Apple doesn't sponsor Kim. I am sometimes very leery of 
taking any computer advice from a syndicated radio program I've been radio for 
over 40 years and I know how radio works, like anything else, it's all about 
the dollar
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Nimer Jaber 
mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Kim Komando is nothing but a kwak out to get page clicks by posting scary 
articles. I'd say you should be much more worried by all the data your provider 
keeps about you, and all the data you yourself put out there on places like 
Facebook, and all the sites tracking what you do on the web, and all the 
cameras watching you when you leave your home, and all the devices you bring 
into your home that are always listening and watching, and all the data miners 
out there, and all your financial data each time you pay with a card, and all 
the services that get access to your banking data when you link banking data 
through sites, and and and... *sigh* I suppose to most people, it is a secret 
as they don't go into privacy settings, and don't read terms of service, but 
this is far from secret, and is nothing Apple is trying to keep hidden.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 7:21 AM Dennis Long 
mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.komando.com/privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598/
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RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Carolyn]

Amen to that, Kenny! 

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I think if Apple tracks me, they will get pretty bord!LOL

I don’t really care, not a lot of excitement going on in my life! LOL

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Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

 

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.

Aedan

 

 





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https://www.komando.com/privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598/ 
 

 

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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Carolyn]

Mine is for five minutes. I'm thinking maybe the five minutes is five minutes 
after the last time the thing talked. I haven't tried it to see am good about 
turning mine off. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 3:00 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Sieghard and All:

I want to keep Pass Code so it is available when needed and not totally disable 
it.

I think 3 people have said that it is not a good idea to have the phone powered 
off most of the time as I have been doing and I want to try having it locked 
when I'm not using it to save the battery.  I thought powering off when it 
isn't being used was saving the battery.

I set it to never lock when I first got the phone months ago and I forget where 
I did it.  I've spent hours this afternoon and tried the word lock in the 
settings app.  I found one result for lock and never and there were several 
time periods in minutes and I double tapped on 5 
minutes as an experiment.   It's been much longer than 5 minutes and my 
home screen is still talking.  I don't know if I missed a save button or if I'm 
misunderstanding something.  Could you please help me out and give the proper 
location and time period to choose for the way I use the phone?

I'm doing better with what I think is manual locking and the screen doesn't 
talk and I can press the home button and speech resumes.  It's been a long day 
and I'm confused since I don't understand your saying "I personally am not one 
of those and want my phone to lock relatively quickly after I use it"  since it 
went silent on me almost immediately.

All help is greatly appreciated.

Margaret

On 9/7/2022 1:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hello Margaret,
> 
> As I already said in my previous email, you have to have a passcode as backup 
> for Touch Id and you cannot unlock your phone after it was turned off with 
> Touch Id, only the passcode will work here.
> Another place where only the passcode works is if you want to go back into 
> Settings > Touch Id and Passcode so even if you decide you want to turn off 
> Touch Id/passcode, you do have to enter it in order to get into that area of 
> settings.
> 
> Only you can know if you want to leave your phone open/unprotected. I assume 
> if you kept it mostly at home, you don't have sensitive information on it and 
> you don't plan to use Apple Pay then you could disable passcode/Touch Id.
> 
> As for the automatic locking of the phone that again is your preference. 
> There are others on this list who prefer to lock their phone manually by 
> pressing the side button, I personally am not one of those and want my phone 
> to lock relatively quickly after I use it because the more it is unlocked the 
> more battery is used up. But then of course I have about 80 apps on my phone 
> and use it constantly for anything from checking the time and the weather to 
> checking email, sending and receiving text messages to doing online banking 
> and using a variety of home automation devices like smart thermostats for my 
> home and business, I have video cameras and a monitored alarm system at my 
> business and have apps for that and I have video doorbell and cameras at 
> home. Even if I don't actively use my phone I probably am listening to an 
> Audible book while I am walking to or from work, at night before I go to 
> sleep and so on. I never counted how often I use my phone each day, but I 
> guess it must be at least 1 to 3 or 4 times an hour so over the course of a 
> day I'd aay probably anywhere from 40 to 60 times when I grab my phone and 
> unlock it to do something.
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 8:04 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> Good Evening:
> 
> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
> 
> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
> my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might 
> power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, 
> Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  
> The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I 
> can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
> problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work 
> or school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and 
> I do not have a lot of personal information on the cell.
> 
> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
> cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
> locked what sounded 

RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Kenny Nead]

I think if Apple tracks me, they will get pretty bord!LOL
I don’t really care, not a lot of excitement going on in my life! LOL
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aedan Something
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.
Aedan




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https://www.komando.com/privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598/

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RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

You could substitute Android, Google, or any other smart phone, and the article 
would still be true.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

Most of the tracking is necessary in order for the phone and its Apps to 
function properly.  How is my phone going to tell me where the closest library 
is if the phone doesn’t know where I am located?

And, this really isn’t any kind of  a secret since, there are numerous articles 
from Apple and other places on the net discussing how to turn these features 
off.

James B

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

That is not a secret, nor has it ever been a secret.

If people would take the time to read and explore the settings on any device, 
they would already know this.

I find it annoying that people like Kim Commando make it sound like Apple is 
doing something devious.

It isn’t Apple’s fault people don’t bother checking the security settings they 
are agreeing to…



Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Aedan 
Something
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.
Aedan



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Unable to delete a sms message.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello,

I recently exchanged a number of messages with my brother who is an Android 
user.

No longer needing to retain the conversation I deleted it in the usual way.

No matter what I do the most recent message I sent to him and the last in the 
conversation remains on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.

I have turned messages off in iCloud but I cannot delete this particular 
message.

I have turned the device on and off but when I try to delete the message it 
just will not go.

Not an enormous problem but somewhat irritating.

I can delete the message from my series 7 Apple Watch.

I have no idea why this particular message cannot be removed from my iPhone it 
does not contain anything other than plain text.

As anyone experienced anything simular and if so did you resolve it and how?

Thanks.

Malcolm Parfitt

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ios messenger app - very good news the spoken phrase add as a favorite has gone

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

Please do update tot he latest ios messenger app, the annoying phrase spoken
with each contact, added as favorite, has eventually been gone throug this
update. 

I am very greatful for those who reported it tot he facebook accessibility.
Regards
Davy 

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RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[bentleyj1952]

Most of the tracking is necessary in order for the phone and its Apps to 
function properly.  How is my phone going to tell me where the closest library 
is if the phone doesn’t know where I am located?

 

And, this really isn’t any kind of  a secret since, there are numerous articles 
from Apple and other places on the net discussing how to turn these features 
off.

 

James B  

 

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Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

 

That is not a secret, nor has it ever been a secret.

 

If people would take the time to read and explore the settings on any device, 
they would already know this.

 

I find it annoying that people like Kim Commando make it sound like Apple is 
doing something devious.  

 

It isn’t Apple’s fault people don’t bother checking the security settings they 
are agreeing to…

 

 

 

Richard

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

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礪

 

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Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

 

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.

Aedan

 

 

 

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https://www.komando.com/privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598/

 

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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks for that explanation. All I know is that if Apple decides to offer this 
it will most likely be perfectly secure. In any case, as I stated before, for 
me Face Id is a much better option, I can use it when it's cold out and I am 
wearing gloves and it works whether my fingers are full of little cuts and wood 
glue.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 1:33 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

FYI: Pixels use an optical sensor. Essentially, it's a camera. Samsung uses 
ultrasonic sensors. These are more accurate and I believe capture more data 
points for which to make an unlock decision. It's been the case that 
fingerprint sensors, especially optical ones, do have some level of 
false-positive recognition. For more on the various types, check out 
https://www.androidpolice.com/optical-capacitive-and-ultrasonic-fingerprint-readers-how-do-they-work/

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 1:11 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
And knowing Apple I doubt they would ever have a Touch Id side button on the 
phone or a Touch Id sensor on the back of the phone. If they bring Touch Id 
back at all it would be with an under-display sensor which meets their 
standards and given that article I recently read about the latest Google Pixel 
phone which has under-display Touch Id and where the writer's friend could 
unlock the phone with his finger even though it wasn't even registered I wonder 
how good it works.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

On iPhone’s you need to have a home button. On Android devices, touch ID can be 
built into the power button or a sensor on the back of the phone. They can also 
put the touch ID under the glass.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

You cannot use touch ID with your iPhone.  Your iPhone supports face ID and 
entering your passcode.

Rob

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Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece 
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. 
It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to use 
touch ID with needs to support touch ID.
Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required when 
you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone you have 
to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after a certain 
number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will then ask for 
the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you have 
strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run out of 
battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and sometimes 
months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I have to put 
in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a few times one 
attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange 
reason. But typically I again often go days without having to enter my passcode 
manually.

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Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
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First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event that 
temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and may help 
women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could simply use it 
to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings Thermo or other 
body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or not.
T
He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving than I 
currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines I might be 
tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's definitely an 
impressive watch.

The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't say 
it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a new iPhone 
and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year before.
The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera system 
and always-on display possible.
I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it was 
going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, that 
ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget that it is 
only available for the United States and Canada at that point. For once Canada 
is getting something at launch which was not always the case (Apple New, Apple 
Pay and other features are examples where it took a while for Canada to get it).
Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are driving 
with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never happen) you may 
get help quicker.
As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.
Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models will 
now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.

Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 Pro 
has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend considerable 
time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind the emergency SOS 
via satellite offers; you can also share your location via Find My by 
satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply send text messages 
to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have dedicated devices like 
Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course also requires 
you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody and receive text 
replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big production of pointing 
your iPhone to where the satellite is. An Inreach or Zoleo in fact can be in 
your backpack's top pocket and it works just fine and none of these devices 
have an external antenna which during the presentation Apple hinted would be 
required. Anyways, the satellite SOS is definitely a good start and once again 
something new and innovative Apple has introduced and I would bet money on it 
that within the next year or so Android phones will be released which also have 
this. What surprised me was that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre 
for this, but that is probably the only way they can offer this for free and 
they also didn't say which satellite network they use for this, i.e. Iridium or 
Globalstar.

Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do it 
would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain the 
LiDAR feature.
As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it doesn't 
have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I experience what 
Arnold Schwarzenegger did in "Junior" I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon.
In any case, I'll wait to see if my provider wants to offer me a deal I can't 
refuse, Telus already sent me a message yesterday telling me that I am on their 
priority list and will get a call in case I want to preorder the new iPhone 
although even if I decide to upgrade I would probably rather buy it outright.

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Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Nimer Jaber]

FYI: Pixels use an optical sensor. Essentially, it's a camera. Samsung uses
ultrasonic sensors. These are more accurate and I believe capture more data
points for which to make an unlock decision. It's been the case that
fingerprint sensors, especially optical ones, do have some level of
false-positive recognition. For more on the various types, check out
https://www.androidpolice.com/optical-capacitive-and-ultrasonic-fingerprint-readers-how-do-they-work/

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 1:11 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> And knowing Apple I doubt they would ever have a Touch Id side button on
> the phone or a Touch Id sensor on the back of the phone. If they bring
> Touch Id back at all it would be with an under-display sensor which meets
> their standards and given that article I recently read about the latest
> Google Pixel phone which has under-display Touch Id and where the writer's
> friend could unlock the phone with his finger even though it wasn't even
> registered I wonder how good it works.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Christopher Chaltain
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:10 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>
>
>
> On iPhone’s you need to have a home button. On Android devices, touch ID
> can be built into the power button or a sensor on the back of the phone.
> They can also put the touch ID under the glass.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Rob Armstrong
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:13 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>
>
>
> You cannot use touch ID with your iPhone.  Your iPhone supports face ID
> and entering your passcode.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Esther Levegnale
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:47 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>
>
>
> hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>
> Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it
> on. It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want
> to use touch ID with needs to support touch ID.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale 
> wrote:
>
> hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if
> there was a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a
> lot. I hope you all have a good day. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required
> when you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone
> you have to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and
> after a certain number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint,
> it will then ask for the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
> I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't.
> iPhones are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut
> down at all. From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and
> back on if you have strange issues or of course there could be a time when
> you simply run out of battery and the phone turns itself off, but I
> literally go weeks and sometimes months without turning my phone off and
> back on and the only time I have to put in my passcode is when for some
> reason Face Id isn't working a few times one attempt after another (same
> goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange reason. But typically I again
> often go days without having to enter my passcode manually.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>
> It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.
>
> When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My
> memory is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the
> App Store instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get
> apps and had tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes
> of not being asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had
> to use the pass code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I
> installed a free app from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple
> ID but it wasn't a good day and my memory may not be correct.
>
> I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with
> some mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every
> 

RE: how close apps on the watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think you can close apps on the watch in the same way as you can on the 
iphone.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 7:28 AM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: how close apps on the watch


You can double press the home button on Iphones with a home button and get a 
list of open apps. You can select any of these you wish and then do a 3 finger 
swipe up and close those apps. How can I close open apps on the watch?



I have looked through the apple watch user guide and have googled this topic 
but can't find anything about this.  Is it even possible?



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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And knowing Apple I doubt they would ever have a Touch Id side button on the 
phone or a Touch Id sensor on the back of the phone. If they bring Touch Id 
back at all it would be with an under-display sensor which meets their 
standards and given that article I recently read about the latest Google Pixel 
phone which has under-display Touch Id and where the writer's friend could 
unlock the phone with his finger even though it wasn't even registered I wonder 
how good it works.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

On iPhone’s you need to have a home button. On Android devices, touch ID can be 
built into the power button or a sensor on the back of the phone. They can also 
put the touch ID under the glass.

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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

You cannot use touch ID with your iPhone.  Your iPhone supports face ID and 
entering your passcode.

Rob

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece 
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. 
It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to use 
touch ID with needs to support touch ID.
Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required when 
you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone you have 
to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after a certain 
number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will then ask for 
the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you have 
strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run out of 
battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and sometimes 
months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I have to put 
in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a few times one 
attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange 
reason. But typically I again often go days without having to enter my passcode 
manually.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
To: V iPhone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.

When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My memory 
is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the App Store 
instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps and had 
tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not being 
asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use the pass 
code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a free app 
from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it wasn't a good 
day and my memory may not be correct.

I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
the phone.

Margaret

On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
To: V iPhone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, there is not, iPhones without a home button use Face Id and that has not 
changed with the iPhone 14's which were just announced this morning.
I am not saying it's impossible that Apple at some point will introduced 
under-display Touch Id which then would have a Touch Id sensor under a 
particular spot of the display, but since it wasn't included this year it would 
be the iPhone 15 next September at the earliest that would have it and I 
wouldn't hold my breath.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required when 
you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone you have 
to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after a certain 
number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will then ask for 
the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you have 
strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run out of 
battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and sometimes 
months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I have to put 
in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a few times one 
attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange 
reason. But typically I again often go days without having to enter my passcode 
manually.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.

When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My memory 
is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the App Store 
instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps and had 
tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not being 
asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use the pass 
code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a free app 
from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it wasn't a good 
day and my memory may not be correct.

I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
the phone.

Margaret

On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Good Evening:

The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.

The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might power 
it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, Touch ID, 
and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  The way 
things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I can 
usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work or 
school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and I do 
not have a lot of personal information on the cell.

The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never.  
I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that if 
someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so little.  I'd 
greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when I needed it for 
other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
  Thanks,

Margaret


On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:

Subject: Face ID hit or miss
Date: 

RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then don't post stuff you think doesn't sound right and which comes from 
sources like Kim Commando who is known for their rubbish.
I can go online and in a few minutes find a dozen articles which bash Apple to 
any degree and as Nimer and others pointed out, if you use a smartphone and are 
online to even a moderate degree you are being tracked whether you want it or 
not; it's a trade of and most people are willing to give up a good amount of 
their privacy to enjoy the conveniences smartphones and the online lifestyle 
offer. If you don't want it you can choose not to have a smartphone, you can 
choose to not use a computer connected to the internet, pay cash and do your 
banking in person. Of course that also means you can't buy or book anything 
online, use Uber and all of those things.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

I read the article and thought it didn’t sound right.  I left my opinion out of 
the original post to see what others would say.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 3:22 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

Kim Komando is nothing but a kwak out to get page clicks by posting scary 
articles. I'd say you should be much more worried by all the data your provider 
keeps about you, and all the data you yourself put out there on places like 
Facebook, and all the sites tracking what you do on the web, and all the 
cameras watching you when you leave your home, and all the devices you bring 
into your home that are always listening and watching, and all the data miners 
out there, and all your financial data each time you pay with a card, and all 
the services that get access to your banking data when you link banking data 
through sites, and and and... *sigh* I suppose to most people, it is a secret 
as they don't go into privacy settings, and don't read terms of service, but 
this is far from secret, and is nothing Apple is trying to keep hidden.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 7:21 AM Dennis Long 
mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple in fact does the best job of keeping people's information secure and 
private as much as it is possible.
Facebook really hates them because they make it so easy to opt out of much of 
the tracking that is going on and of course any online personality with some 
following can throw out such rubbish. It makes much better link bait to say 
"Apple is tracking you wherever you go" than to say "Your smartphone tracks you 
wherever you go but iPhones do a much better job of letting you maintain more 
privacy".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Aedan 
Something
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.
Aedan




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RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Dennis Long]

I read the article and thought it didn’t sound right.  I left my opinion out of 
the original post to see what others would say.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 3:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

 

Kim Komando is nothing but a kwak out to get page clicks by posting scary 
articles. I'd say you should be much more worried by all the data your provider 
keeps about you, and all the data you yourself put out there on places like 
Facebook, and all the sites tracking what you do on the web, and all the 
cameras watching you when you leave your home, and all the devices you bring 
into your home that are always listening and watching, and all the data miners 
out there, and all your financial data each time you pay with a card, and all 
the services that get access to your banking data when you link banking data 
through sites, and and and... *sigh* I suppose to most people, it is a secret 
as they don't go into privacy settings, and don't read terms of service, but 
this is far from secret, and is nothing Apple is trying to keep hidden.

 

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Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Chuck Adkins]

I agree, also remember Apple doesn't sponsor Kim. I am sometimes very leery of 
taking any computer advice from a syndicated radio program I've been radio for 
over 40 years and I know how radio works, like anything else, it's all about 
the dollar

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
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> Kim Komando is nothing but a kwak out to get page clicks by posting scary 
> articles. I'd say you should be much more worried by all the data your 
> provider keeps about you, and all the data you yourself put out there on 
> places like Facebook, and all the sites tracking what you do on the web, and 
> all the cameras watching you when you leave your home, and all the devices 
> you bring into your home that are always listening and watching, and all the 
> data miners out there, and all your financial data each time you pay with a 
> card, and all the services that get access to your banking data when you link 
> banking data through sites, and and and... *sigh* I suppose to most people, 
> it is a secret as they don't go into privacy settings, and don't read terms 
> of service, but this is far from secret, and is nothing Apple is trying to 
> keep hidden.
> 
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Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Nimer Jaber]

Kim Komando is nothing but a kwak out to get page clicks by posting scary
articles. I'd say you should be much more worried by all the data your
provider keeps about you, and all the data you yourself put out there on
places like Facebook, and all the sites tracking what you do on the web,
and all the cameras watching you when you leave your home, and all the
devices you bring into your home that are always listening and watching,
and all the data miners out there, and all your financial data each time
you pay with a card, and all the services that get access to your banking
data when you link banking data through sites, and and and... *sigh* I
suppose to most people, it is a secret as they don't go into privacy
settings, and don't read terms of service, but this is far from secret, and
is nothing Apple is trying to keep hidden.

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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[davidmac1957]

Open the Settings app on your iPhone.

Scroll down and double tap Display & Brightness.
In the Display and Brightness settings, double tap Auto-Lock. 
Choose the amount of time you want your screen to stay on after you last touch 
your iPhone.
Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 3:00 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Sieghard and All:

I want to keep Pass Code so it is available when needed and not totally disable 
it.

I think 3 people have said that it is not a good idea to have the phone powered 
off most of the time as I have been doing and I want to try having it locked 
when I'm not using it to save the battery.  I thought powering off when it 
isn't being used was saving the battery.

I set it to never lock when I first got the phone months ago and I forget where 
I did it.  I've spent hours this afternoon and tried the word lock in the 
settings app.  I found one result for lock and never and there were several 
time periods in minutes and I double tapped on 5 
minutes as an experiment.   It's been much longer than 5 minutes and my 
home screen is still talking.  I don't know if I missed a save button or if I'm 
misunderstanding something.  Could you please help me out and give the proper 
location and time period to choose for the way I use the phone?

I'm doing better with what I think is manual locking and the screen doesn't 
talk and I can press the home button and speech resumes.  It's been a long day 
and I'm confused since I don't understand your saying "I personally am not one 
of those and want my phone to lock relatively quickly after I use it"  since it 
went silent on me almost immediately.

All help is greatly appreciated.

Margaret

On 9/7/2022 1:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hello Margaret,
> 
> As I already said in my previous email, you have to have a passcode as backup 
> for Touch Id and you cannot unlock your phone after it was turned off with 
> Touch Id, only the passcode will work here.
> Another place where only the passcode works is if you want to go back into 
> Settings > Touch Id and Passcode so even if you decide you want to turn off 
> Touch Id/passcode, you do have to enter it in order to get into that area of 
> settings.
> 
> Only you can know if you want to leave your phone open/unprotected. I assume 
> if you kept it mostly at home, you don't have sensitive information on it and 
> you don't plan to use Apple Pay then you could disable passcode/Touch Id.
> 
> As for the automatic locking of the phone that again is your preference. 
> There are others on this list who prefer to lock their phone manually by 
> pressing the side button, I personally am not one of those and want my phone 
> to lock relatively quickly after I use it because the more it is unlocked the 
> more battery is used up. But then of course I have about 80 apps on my phone 
> and use it constantly for anything from checking the time and the weather to 
> checking email, sending and receiving text messages to doing online banking 
> and using a variety of home automation devices like smart thermostats for my 
> home and business, I have video cameras and a monitored alarm system at my 
> business and have apps for that and I have video doorbell and cameras at 
> home. Even if I don't actively use my phone I probably am listening to an 
> Audible book while I am walking to or from work, at night before I go to 
> sleep and so on. I never counted how often I use my phone each day, but I 
> guess it must be at least 1 to 3 or 4 times an hour so over the course of a 
> day I'd aay probably anywhere from 40 to 60 times when I grab my phone and 
> unlock it to do something.
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 8:04 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> Good Evening:
> 
> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
> 
> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
> my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might 
> power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, 
> Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  
> The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I 
> can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
> problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work 
> or school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and 
> I do not have a lot of personal information on the cell.
> 
> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
> cell and was trying to follow along with a 

RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Richard Turner]

Margaret,

Auto Lock under Display and brightness locks the phone when there is no screen 
activity.  If you touch the screen or something is running that is causing the 
screen to refresh, it won't lock.

Set it to five minutes, lay the phone down with nothing running and in five 
minutes it will lock.
I have mine set to 5 minutes because it is only there in case I forget to 
manually lock the phone when I won't be using it for a while.



Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 12:00 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Sieghard and All:

I want to keep Pass Code so it is available when needed and not totally disable 
it.

I think 3 people have said that it is not a good idea to have the phone powered 
off most of the time as I have been doing and I want to try having it locked 
when I'm not using it to save the battery.  I thought powering off when it 
isn't being used was saving the battery.

I set it to never lock when I first got the phone months ago and I forget where 
I did it.  I've spent hours this afternoon and tried the word lock in the 
settings app.  I found one result for lock and never and there were several 
time periods in minutes and I double tapped on 5 
minutes as an experiment.   It's been much longer than 5 minutes and my 
home screen is still talking.  I don't know if I missed a save button or if I'm 
misunderstanding something.  Could you please help me out and give the proper 
location and time period to choose for the way I use the phone?

I'm doing better with what I think is manual locking and the screen doesn't 
talk and I can press the home button and speech resumes.  It's been a long day 
and I'm confused since I don't understand your saying "I personally am not one 
of those and want my phone to lock relatively quickly after I use it"  since it 
went silent on me almost immediately.

All help is greatly appreciated.

Margaret

On 9/7/2022 1:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hello Margaret,
> 
> As I already said in my previous email, you have to have a passcode as backup 
> for Touch Id and you cannot unlock your phone after it was turned off with 
> Touch Id, only the passcode will work here.
> Another place where only the passcode works is if you want to go back into 
> Settings > Touch Id and Passcode so even if you decide you want to turn off 
> Touch Id/passcode, you do have to enter it in order to get into that area of 
> settings.
> 
> Only you can know if you want to leave your phone open/unprotected. I assume 
> if you kept it mostly at home, you don't have sensitive information on it and 
> you don't plan to use Apple Pay then you could disable passcode/Touch Id.
> 
> As for the automatic locking of the phone that again is your preference. 
> There are others on this list who prefer to lock their phone manually by 
> pressing the side button, I personally am not one of those and want my phone 
> to lock relatively quickly after I use it because the more it is unlocked the 
> more battery is used up. But then of course I have about 80 apps on my phone 
> and use it constantly for anything from checking the time and the weather to 
> checking email, sending and receiving text messages to doing online banking 
> and using a variety of home automation devices like smart thermostats for my 
> home and business, I have video cameras and a monitored alarm system at my 
> business and have apps for that and I have video doorbell and cameras at 
> home. Even if I don't actively use my phone I probably am listening to an 
> Audible book while I am walking to or from work, at night before I go to 
> sleep and so on. I never counted how often I use my phone each day, but I 
> guess it must be at least 1 to 3 or 4 times an hour so over the course of a 
> day I'd aay probably anywhere from 40 to 60 times when I grab my phone and 
> unlock it to do something.
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 8:04 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> Good Evening:
> 
> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
> 
> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
> my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might 
> power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, 
> Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  
> The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I 
> can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't 

RE: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Richard Turner]

That is not a secret, nor has it ever been a secret.

 

If people would take the time to read and explore the settings on any device, 
they would already know this.

 

I find it annoying that people like Kim Commando make it sound like Apple is 
doing something devious.  

 

It isn’t Apple’s fault people don’t bother checking the security settings they 
are agreeing to…

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Aedan 
Something
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

 

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.

Aedan

 

 





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Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Margaret Thomas]

Sieghard and All:

I want to keep Pass Code so it is available when needed and not totally 
disable it.


I think 3 people have said that it is not a good idea to have the phone 
powered off most of the time as I have been doing and I want to try 
having it locked when I'm not using it to save the battery.  I thought 
powering off when it isn't being used was saving the battery.


I set it to never lock when I first got the phone months ago and I 
forget where I did it.  I've spent hours this afternoon and tried the 
word lock in the settings app.  I found one result for lock and never 
and there were several time periods in minutes and I double tapped on 5 
minutes as an experiment.   It's been much longer than 5 minutes and my 
home screen is still talking.  I don't know if I missed a save button or 
if I'm misunderstanding something.  Could you please help me out and 
give the proper location and time period to choose for the way I use the 
phone?


I'm doing better with what I think is manual locking and the screen 
doesn't talk and I can press the home button and speech resumes.  It's 
been a long day and I'm confused since I don't understand your saying "I 
personally am not one of those and want my phone to lock relatively 
quickly after I use it"  since it went silent on me almost immediately.


All help is greatly appreciated.

Margaret

On 9/7/2022 1:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hello Margaret,

As I already said in my previous email, you have to have a passcode as backup 
for Touch Id and you cannot unlock your phone after it was turned off with 
Touch Id, only the passcode will work here.
Another place where only the passcode works is if you want to go back into 
Settings > Touch Id and Passcode so even if you decide you want to turn off 
Touch Id/passcode, you do have to enter it in order to get into that area of 
settings.

Only you can know if you want to leave your phone open/unprotected. I assume if 
you kept it mostly at home, you don't have sensitive information on it and you 
don't plan to use Apple Pay then you could disable passcode/Touch Id.

As for the automatic locking of the phone that again is your preference. There 
are others on this list who prefer to lock their phone manually by pressing the 
side button, I personally am not one of those and want my phone to lock 
relatively quickly after I use it because the more it is unlocked the more 
battery is used up. But then of course I have about 80 apps on my phone and use 
it constantly for anything from checking the time and the weather to checking 
email, sending and receiving text messages to doing online banking and using a 
variety of home automation devices like smart thermostats for my home and 
business, I have video cameras and a monitored alarm system at my business and 
have apps for that and I have video doorbell and cameras at home. Even if I 
don't actively use my phone I probably am listening to an Audible book while I 
am walking to or from work, at night before I go to sleep and so on. I never 
counted how often I use my phone each day, but I guess it must be at least 1 to 
3 or 4 times an hour so over the course of a day I'd aay probably anywhere from 
40 to 60 times when I grab my phone and unlock it to do something.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 8:04 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Good Evening:

The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.

The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might power 
it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, Touch ID, 
and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  The way 
things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I can 
usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work or 
school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and I do 
not have a lot of personal information on the cell.

The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the cell and was 
trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying locked what sounded every 
30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never.  
I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that if 
someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so little.  I'd 
greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when I needed it for 
other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
   Thanks,

Margaret


On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:

Subject: Face ID hit or 

Re: Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Aedan Something]

Thanks for the information. Apple should do a better job of letting users 
decide how it tracks phones and which services to turn off.
Aedan



> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:21 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> https://www.komando.com/privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598/ 
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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Carolyn]

Same here, Sieghard. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 12:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required when 
you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone you have 
to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after a certain 
number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will then ask for 
the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you have 
strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run out of 
battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and sometimes 
months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I have to put 
in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a few times one 
attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange 
reason. But typically I again often go days without having to enter my passcode 
manually.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.

When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My memory 
is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the App Store 
instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps and had 
tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not being 
asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use the pass 
code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a free app 
from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it wasn't a good 
day and my memory may not be correct.

I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
the phone.

Margaret

On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
> If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
> unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> Good Evening:
> 
> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
> 
> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
> my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might 
> power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, 
> Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  
> The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I 
> can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
> problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work 
> or school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and 
> I do not have a lot of personal information on the cell.
> 
> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
> cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
> locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
> word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never.  
> I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that if 
> someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so little.  
> I'd greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when I needed 
> it for other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
>Thanks,
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Face ID hit or miss
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500
> From: SoonerAnnie 
> Reply-To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi all,
> Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have set 
> up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two or three 
> times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my phone. I am 
> getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol. It's much 
> easier to just reach over and unlock it with my finger than to pick up my 
> mini and hope I can get it to unlock without having to type in my pass code. 
> Any 

RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Carolyn]

I did not have to use my passcode, when I had touch ID< neither do I have to 
with Facial ID, unless for some reason, it doesn't take. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Hi Margaret.

I used to have an old iPhone with touch id. I don't think I had to enter my 
unlock code to get it working.

I also wish touch id were on the newer phones. I found them much easier than 
face id.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Good Evening:

The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.

The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might power 
it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, Touch ID, 
and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  The way 
things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I can 
usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work or 
school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and I do 
not have a lot of personal information on the cell.

The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty" 
word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never.  
I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that if 
someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so little.  I'd 
greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when I needed it for 
other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
  Thanks,

Margaret


On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:

Subject: Face ID hit or miss
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500
From: SoonerAnnie 
Reply-To: viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi all,
Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have set 
up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two or three 
times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my phone. I am 
getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol. It's much easier 
to just reach over and unlock it with my finger than to pick up my mini and 
hope I can get it to unlock without having to type in my pass code. Any 
suggestions would be appreciated. 
Thanks for reading.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Christopher Chaltain]

On iPhone’s you need to have a home button. On Android devices, touch ID can be 
built into the power button or a sensor on the back of the phone. They can also 
put the touch ID under the glass.

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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

You cannot use touch ID with your iPhone.  Your iPhone supports face ID and 
entering your passcode.

Rob

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece 
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. 
It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to use 
touch ID with needs to support touch ID.
Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required when 
you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone you have 
to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after a certain 
number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will then ask for 
the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you have 
strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run out of 
battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and sometimes 
months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I have to put 
in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a few times one 
attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange 
reason. But typically I again often go days without having to enter my passcode 
manually.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
To: V iPhone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.

When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My memory 
is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the App Store 
instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps and had 
tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not being 
asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use the pass 
code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a free app 
from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it wasn't a good 
day and my memory may not be correct.

I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
the phone.

Margaret

On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
To: V iPhone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

Good Evening:

The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.

The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might power 
it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, Touch ID, 
and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  The way 
things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I can 
usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
problem; I'd 

RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Rob Armstrong]

You cannot use touch ID with your iPhone.  Your iPhone supports face ID and 
entering your passcode.

 

Rob

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

 

hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. 
It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to use 
touch ID with needs to support touch ID.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!





On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required when 
you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone you have 
to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after a certain 
number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will then ask for 
the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you have 
strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run out of 
battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and sometimes 
months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I have to put 
in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a few times one 
attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange 
reason. But typically I again often go days without having to enter my passcode 
manually.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
To: V iPhone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.

When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My memory 
is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the App Store 
instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps and had 
tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not being 
asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use the pass 
code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a free app 
from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it wasn't a good 
day and my memory may not be correct.

I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
the phone.

Margaret

On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:



If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 

Margaret Thomas

Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM

To: V iPhone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >

Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

 

Good Evening:

 

The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.

 

The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might power 
it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, Touch ID, 
and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  The way 
things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I can 
usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work or 
school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and I do 
not have a lot of personal information on the cell.

 

The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"

word and I never investigated what it was good for.  

Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. 
> It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to 
> use touch ID with needs to support touch ID.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there 
>> was a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I 
>> hope you all have a good day. Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>> 
 On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
>>> You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required 
>>> when you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone 
>>> you have to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and 
>>> after a certain number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, 
>>> it will then ask for the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
>>> I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. 
>>> iPhones are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut 
>>> down at all. From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and 
>>> back on if you have strange issues or of course there could be a time when 
>>> you simply run out of battery and the phone turns itself off, but I 
>>> literally go weeks and sometimes months without turning my phone off and 
>>> back on and the only time I have to put in my passcode is when for some 
>>> reason Face Id isn't working a few times one attempt after another (same 
>>> goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange reason. But typically I again 
>>> often go days without having to enter my passcode manually.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Margaret Thomas
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
>>> To: V iPhone list 
>>> Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>>> 
>>> It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.
>>> 
>>> When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My 
>>> memory is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the 
>>> App Store instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get 
>>> apps and had tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes 
>>> of not being asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had 
>>> to use the pass code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I 
>>> installed a free app from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple 
>>> ID but it wasn't a good day and my memory may not be correct.
>>> 
>>> I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with 
>>> some mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every 
>>> time I use the phone.
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
 On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
 If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time 
 you unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Margaret Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
 To: V iPhone list 
 Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
 
 Good Evening:
 
 The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
 original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
 
 The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line 
 being my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and 
 might power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have 
 Apple ID, Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the 
 App Store.  The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when 
 I power up.  I can usually do it correctly the first or second time so 
 typing it isn't the problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if 
 possible.  I am not in a work or school situation and my house does not 
 resemble Grand Central Station and I do not have a lot of personal 
 information on the cell.
 
 The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got 
 the cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept 
 saying locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
 word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to 
 never.  I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to 
 change that if someone could explain why it would be good when I use the 
 phone so little.  I'd greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass 
 code 

Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Anthony Vece]

Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. It 
needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to use 
touch ID with needs to support touch ID.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there 
> was a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I 
> hope you all have a good day. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>> You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required 
>> when you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone 
>> you have to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and 
>> after a certain number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it 
>> will then ask for the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
>> I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. 
>> iPhones are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut 
>> down at all. From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back 
>> on if you have strange issues or of course there could be a time when you 
>> simply run out of battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go 
>> weeks and sometimes months without turning my phone off and back on and the 
>> only time I have to put in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't 
>> working a few times one attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or 
>> for some other strange reason. But typically I again often go days without 
>> having to enter my passcode manually.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Margaret Thomas
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
>> To: V iPhone list 
>> Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>> 
>> It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.
>> 
>> When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My 
>> memory is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the 
>> App Store instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get 
>> apps and had tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes 
>> of not being asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had 
>> to use the pass code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I 
>> installed a free app from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID 
>> but it wasn't a good day and my memory may not be correct.
>> 
>> I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with 
>> some mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time 
>> I use the phone.
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>>> On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time 
>>> you unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Margaret Thomas
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
>>> To: V iPhone list 
>>> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>>> 
>>> Good Evening:
>>> 
>>> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
>>> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line 
>>> being my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and 
>>> might power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have 
>>> Apple ID, Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the 
>>> App Store.  The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when 
>>> I power up.  I can usually do it correctly the first or second time so 
>>> typing it isn't the problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if 
>>> possible.  I am not in a work or school situation and my house does not 
>>> resemble Grand Central Station and I do not have a lot of personal 
>>> information on the cell.
>>> 
>>> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
>>> cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
>>> locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
>>> word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to 
>>> never.  I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to 
>>> change that if someone could explain why it would be good when I use the 
>>> phone so little.  I'd greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass 
>>> code for when I needed it for other things and could use Touch ID when 
>>> powering on.
>>>   Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject: Face ID hit or miss
>>> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500
>>> From: 

Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required 
> when you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone 
> you have to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after 
> a certain number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will 
> then ask for the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
> I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
> are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
> From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you 
> have strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run 
> out of battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and 
> sometimes months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I 
> have to put in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a 
> few times one attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some 
> other strange reason. But typically I again often go days without having to 
> enter my passcode manually.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.
> 
> When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My 
> memory is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the 
> App Store instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps 
> and had tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not 
> being asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use 
> the pass code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a 
> free app from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it 
> wasn't a good day and my memory may not be correct.
> 
> I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
> mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
> the phone.
> 
> Margaret
> 
>> On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>> If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
>> unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Margaret Thomas
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
>> To: V iPhone list 
>> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>> 
>> Good Evening:
>> 
>> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
>> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
>> 
>> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line 
>> being my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and 
>> might power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple 
>> ID, Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App 
>> Store.  The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I 
>> power up.  I can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing 
>> it isn't the problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am 
>> not in a work or school situation and my house does not resemble Grand 
>> Central Station and I do not have a lot of personal information on the cell.
>> 
>> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
>> cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
>> locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
>> word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never. 
>>  I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that 
>> if someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so 
>> little.  I'd greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when 
>> I needed it for other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
>>   Thanks,
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Face ID hit or miss
>> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500
>> From: SoonerAnnie 
>> Reply-To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have 
>> set up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two or 
>> three times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my phone. 
>> I am getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol. It's 

how close apps on the watch

[Dan]

  
  
You can double press the home button on
Iphones with a home button and get a list of open apps. You can
select any of these you wish and then do a 3 finger swipe up and
close those apps. How can I close open apps on the watch?


I have looked through the apple watch user
guide and have googled this topic but can't find anything about
this.  Is it even possible?
  


Thanks.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
  




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Apple's iPhone is secretly tracking your every move

[Dennis Long]

https://www.komando.com/privacy/secret-map-tracking-apple/465598/

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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] Apple settles lawsuit with developer over App Store scam apps

[Devin Prater]

Or that he was hired by Apple.
Devin Prater
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On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 3:09 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> I hope Kosta was well compensated, a few Million bucks is pocket change
> for Apple.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2022 8:39 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* FW: [tech-vi Announce List] Apple settles lawsuit with
> developer over App Store scam apps
>
>
>
> *I know some folks liked and used FlickType, so thought people would be
> interested in this.*
>
>
>
> *From:* tech...@groups.io  *On Behalf Of *David
> Goldfield
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2022 8:25 AM
> *To:* List 
> *Subject:* [tech-vi Announce List] Apple settles lawsuit with developer
> over App Store scam apps
>
>
>
> AppleInsider News - Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 4:30 PM
> Apple settles lawsuit with developer over App Store scam apps
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> *AppleInsider is supported by its audience and may earn commission as an
> Amazon Associate and affiliate partner on qualifying purchases. These
> affiliate partnerships do not influence our editorial content. *
>
> Apple has reached a settlement with Kosta Eleftheriou, a developer who
> sued the company over scams in the App Store
>  and copycat keyboards.
>
> Eleftheriou is known for highlighting fake reviews on the App Store, as
> well as the prevalence of scam apps. He developed FlickType, an Apple Watch
> keyboard.
>
> He found an abundance
> 
> of apps that copied FlickType, with these competitors even going so far as
> to steal his promo videos. Eleftheriou expressed his frustration with the
> App Store review team over the apps' copied-and-pasted reviews with
> five-star ratings.
>
> He sued Apple
> 
> in 2021 after Apple released the Apple Watch Series 7. Thanks to the
> device's larger screen, the company released a full keyboard for it with
> swiping capabilities.
>
> Apple rejected FlickType numerous times in the past but didn't remove the
> copycat apps, and Eleftheriou said he lost revenue as a result. Eleftheriou
> said he was in talks with Apple over a potential acquisition, and filed the
> lawsuit when he found the Apple Watch Series 7
>  keyboard similar
> to FlickType.
>
> The suit further alleged that Apple does little to police the App Store
> because it benefits from developers pushing high-priced subscriptions onto
> users.
>
> According to a report
> 
> on Thursday, Apple has settled the lawsuit with Eleftheriou. A request for
> dismissal of the lawsuit was filed on July 21, 2022 after Apple and Kpaw,
> Inc, Eleftheriou's company, finalized an agreement.
>
> The terms of the settlement aren't clear.
>
> Users can report scam apps in the App Store after Apple brought back
> 
> a tool called "Report a Problem" in 2021. It's listed in the Information
> section, alongside details such as age rating, category, and more.
>
>
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/01/apple-settles-lawsuit-with-developer-over-app-store-scam-apps?utm_medium=rss
>
>
>
>  David Goldfield
>
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
>
>
> Feel free to visit my Web site
>
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RE: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Dennis Long]

Margaret You shouldn't power it off every time your done using it is meant to 
be on.  You could've used touch id to install that free app.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Margaret 
Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 12:18 AM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.

When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My memory 
is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the App Store 
instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps and had 
tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not being 
asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use the pass 
code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a free app 
from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it wasn't a good 
day and my memory may not be correct.

I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
the phone.

Margaret

On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
> If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
> unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> Good Evening:
> 
> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
> 
> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line being 
> my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and might 
> power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple ID, 
> Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App Store.  
> The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I power up.  I 
> can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing it isn't the 
> problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am not in a work 
> or school situation and my house does not resemble Grand Central Station and 
> I do not have a lot of personal information on the cell.
> 
> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
> cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
> locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
> word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never.  
> I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that if 
> someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so little.  
> I'd greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when I needed 
> it for other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
>Thanks,
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Face ID hit or miss
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500
> From: SoonerAnnie 
> Reply-To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi all,
> Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have set 
> up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two or three 
> times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my phone. I am 
> getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol. It's much 
> easier to just reach over and unlock it with my finger than to pick up my 
> mini and hope I can get it to unlock without having to type in my pass code. 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks for reading.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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