Re: Just got my FaceTime issue case number

[rajmund .]

hi,
this must be something specific to the iPod, I can'd replicate on an 
iPad, or an iPhone.


On 12/12/17 3:07 PM, Kathy Brandt wrote:
100377527297 
 



This was concerning how, with iOS 11 update, for FaceTime audio in order 
to use the screen controls, you have to plug in headphones; is like 
blank locked screen otherwise. Was most disconcerting when I dealt with 
this for the first time.


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Re: deleting messages in WhatsApp

[rajmund .]

hi,
there's a marking, that says xx unread messages. I don't have to delete, 
as a result.,


On 08/12/17 1:36 PM, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:

Hi all. For those of you who are in groups and manage messages is there a way 
to delete a group of messages? I listen to one, and select delete. I’d like to 
be able to listen to the next one and then select it for deletion and maybe do 
thatfor 10 messages and then delete the ones I’ve listened to. Is there a way 
to do this instead ofhaving to go backin the scroll and thendelete messages 
individually? How do you manage your messages and be able to delete the group 
of messages that you’ve already listened to? Thanks.

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Re: retreaving a deleted message on my iPhone SE

[rajmund .]

hi,
there's a slight possibility, an iCloud backup can rescue you, but it's 
complicated for some, certainly is time consuming, and it's totally up 
to the end user, if they're willing to investigate.


On 20/11/17 6:59 PM, lenron brown wrote:

ha don't you just wish there was away to do this. I have made the
mistake of deleting a convo and wished I could get it back.

On 11/20/17, Michael Amaro  wrote:

yes sir, it is indeed a text message


From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: retreaving a deleted message on my iPhone SE


If you mean a text message then you don’t go about it, once it’s deleted
it’s gone.



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Subject: retreaving a deleted message on my iPhone SE



Hello Listers,



How would I go about retreaving a deleted message on my iPhone SE?  Running
the latest iOS.



Thanks



Michael



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Re: Favorite VO voices?

[rajmund .]

let's put it this way. pretty much all vocaliser sucks, particularly the 
newer ones. Samantha is kind of tolerable, Kate has some weird emotions, 
presumably because she was once a loquendo TTS, but the rest, no hope. I 
wish we had acapela, but even in acapela, most of the males sound flat 
and depressing. Sharon is just too deep. and don't get me started on 
ivona. as for NeoSpeech, Kate sounds angry, she almost sounds like she's 
yelling at you. LOL that's probably enough from me.


On 20/11/17 7:09 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

I can kind of see the snotty teenager thing for Sally, now that you mention it. 
sherin drives me nuts. Again, way, way, way too deep for my taste. Ava sort of 
has the same problem for me. I can't stand Nuance's Alison, either--she sounds 
so pissed off to me. You want to hear another seductive-type voice, listen to 
NeoSpeech Julie. She sounds all breathy. A friend of mine really likes her, but 
I'm not really a fan. I pull a face every time I visit a Chase ATM, because 
she's the voice on there. Ugh. If they'd gone with Kate or James when they 
switched from Eloquence, I'd be happier.


Thanks,
Ari


On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Wow! I would never describe Sally as flat. Smile. This is so incredibly 
subjective. I guess I can see why you call Kendra flat. I kind of think of it 
as low-key, not too emotional, not in my face. To me, Sally sounds like a 
snotty teenager. Sorry for the stereotype, but there you go. And there are 
other voices like Ava and Sharon, for instance, that I think must have been 
made to appeal to men, because they sound like they’re trying to be seductive. 
Thanks but no.

Mary


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On Nov 18, 2017, at 9:46 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

Mary, it's so funny how you can agree with someone on liking one voice, but not 
agree with them about another voice. I can't stand Kendra. She's way too deep 
for my liking, and her inflection is so flat, like Ivona Sally. I like a lot 
about Sally, but her flatness drives me absolutely bonkers!


Thanks,
Ari


On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I’m certainly with you on Neospeech James. I have him in voice dream reader, 
and every time a new OS comes out, I keep hoping Apple will let me use him with 
voiceover. I doubt it will ever happen. I’m also a huge fan of the ivona voice 
Kendra, whom I also have invoice dream. She is by far my favorite woman voice 
of any I have heard anywhere in English. I’m just so sorry that Amazon block 
access and now they don’t even have her available for  kindle products.
Mary


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On Nov 13, 2017, at 11:59 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm a huge, huge NeoSpeech fan, myself. If I could get Kate, James, Ashley, and 
Bridget on my iPhone as system-wide voices, I'd die a very happy woman lol.

For now, though, I use compact Samantha. I can't stand her HQ version. She says 
things all weird. she has weird up/down inflections in her voice between words 
and within words. A ton of the Acapela voices have this issue, too. It's why I 
can't stand Heather. The Ivona voices have this issue too, somewhat. But 
probably my biggest issue with them is that they're so flatbe it's why Sally 
drives me nuts. She's pleasant enough to listen to, if you can get over how 
incredibly bored she sounds.

The other voices I use are conpact Karen (the same issues I have with HQ 
Samantha I also have with HQ Karen) and the HQ version of the old female 
British English Siri voice. Funnily enough, I actually prefer her HQ version.

Speaking of HQ  old Siri voices, has Apple fixed the issue of not being able to 
use these voices in other apps, like Voice Dream Reader and the Blindfold 
games? I'd really love to use the HQ version of the old British English Siri 
voice in these apps, but I can't. Either she doesn't show up, or when selected, 
doesn't work, and the LQ version is used instead.


Thanks,
Ari


On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:27 PM, wui chin Leong  wrote:

Me too.i would love to have a paella heather

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 12, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:

For me Alex will always be my number one man. I remember in 2014 how excited I 
was that we had more choices than just Samantha for the American voices.

However I really enjoyed all of the enhanced voices that have been added in the 
last year or so. My particular favorites in no particular order are Oliver, 
Kate, Serena, Lee, Karen, Arthur, and American Siri mail. However although I 
love these new voices I wish they would open it up and let us add other text to 
speech engines such as the a cappella voices.

Kerry


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:

Enhance their default?

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On Nov 11, 2017, at 8:49 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Maria,

I'm a Samantha man, through-and-through.  For 

Re: Good evening all.Something got screwed up on my iPhone 6S.

[rajmund .]

speaking of punctuation, has anyone noticed that even none punctuation, 
in IOS11 speaks more punctuation than one would like? that is, if anyone 
uses none besides myself? :)


On 20/11/17 3:31 AM, Maria Reyes wrote:
Go to settings > general > accessibility > VoiceOver > Verbosity > 
punctuation and set it to some.


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 wrote:




I have no idea how this happened or where to go to rectify this 
annoying problem.
I was reading e-mail on my phone. It is reading me every punctuation 
mark.  It didn't happen until I updated it to the last ios update. 
 Has anyone else experienced this?  Hopefully, I can fix this issue. 
 I'm going to go into face book to see if it does the same thing. 
 Thank you for your assistance.


Connie

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Re: How To Download iPhone X Exclusive Reflection Ringtone And Then Set As Default On Any iPhone

[rajmund .]

hi,
if you use NVDA and firefox, as I personally have, so can't speak to 
other browsers, pressing the down arrow, and hitting enter on download 
clickable, the file will download no problem.


On 19/11/17 2:39 PM, Cathy Inglis wrote:

I downloaded the mega app and signed up. I have tried to get this ringtone but 
can’t seem to preview or download it either. I typed the link on my windows 10 
computer too. I just can’t figure out how to get this ringtone. Can someone put 
it on sendspace and provide the link? If Someone would do that, I would really 
appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Cathy and Tiny.


On Nov 19, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I agree with Kelly, it's mediocre at best. I like ringtones created from songs 
to a point, but there is something to be said for other ringtones (not sure 
what to call them, but just not song-based ringtones). I usually use iTunes to 
create my song-based ringtones, it's already on my computer and it works well.

-Original Message-
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M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 10:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How To Download iPhone X Exclusive Reflection Ringtone And Then 
Set As Default On Any iPhone

Hello Kelly,

I guess it's a matter of opinion.

I rather like the new ring tone.  So much so that I have set it as my default 
on my iPhone 8 Plus.  Once I get tired of it, I'll demote it to something used 
less frequently, say, new voicemail notifications.  (smile)

Mark

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Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How To Download iPhone X Exclusive Reflection Ringtone And Then 
Set As Default On Any iPhone

Reflection sounds so mediocre. I could not believe Apple created this as an 
iPhone X exclusive. With the money it has, it could have hired great composers 
and musicians to create memorable iPhone ring tones for the iPhone X. After 
hearing reflection for the first time, I was motivated to learn how to create 
my own ring tones using MP3 Direct Cut and online conversion services. I now 
have a set of 30 second clips I use as ring tones from some of the best music 
in jazz and rock and roll from people like Eric Clapton, Joe cocker, Todd 
Rundgren, Bob Dylan, The Band, Miles Davis, Kenny Burrell and the Beatles.

Kelly



On 11/18/17, Richard Turner  wrote:

Like all audio files, it is going to be great to some, and so-so to others.
Richard




(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Jenifer Barr
mailto:claudas...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I can't preview this ringtone. Is it really that good? lol. No... not
going to get a 10... love my 8.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I'm less than impressed with this new ringtone, it's sort of OK, but
considering the price of the iPhone X Apple could definitely have done
better!
No, Pablo, you are correct, people won't buy it for the ringtone, but
they'll buy it because the iPhone X is the best, fastest smartphone
ever with the best camera ever and it's so awesome that samsung
realized that they have burned their bridges (I mean their Note 7) and
they are now just handing it all over to Apple *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How To Download iPhone X Exclusive Reflection Ringtone
And Then Set As Default On Any iPhone

I don't think that anybody is going to buy a iPhone for that price,
just due to the beauty of a ring tone. I don't think that people is that stupid.
However there are a lot of ways to take this ringtone and put in
another devices, even not being apple brand.



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How To Download iPhone X Exclusive Reflection Ringtone And
Then Set As Default On Any iPhone

How To Download iPhone X Exclusive Reflection Ringtone And Then Set As
Default On Any iPhone By Paul Morris | November 2nd, 2017

Here's how you can download the official iPhone X exclusive Reflection
ringtone and then set it as default on an iPhone.

It was recently discovered that Apple's brand new flagship ships with
a new default ringtone called Reflection which is exclusive to that
particular device. As always, the Internet wasn't having that and it's
now available to obtain and load onto other iOS devices.

Apple does a fairly wonderful job of making changes in each version of
iOS and ensu

Re: How to Force Restart iPhone X

[rajmund .]

hi,
some of us have light vision. as soon as the screen lights up, while 
rebooting, the apple logo is displayed throughout. it's the same screen 
that's out during updates, or so I'm told, and that just shows the apple 
logo. again, I can't swear by it, but that's what I was told.


On 18/11/17 6:33 AM, Mike B. wrote:

*Howdy,*
**
*Out of curiosity, if you're totally blind how would you know when the 
Apple logo appears! LOL *
4. Continue to hold the Power / Lock / Side button until the ? Apple 
logo appears on screen of iPhone X

Take care.  Mike.  Dodgers, try again next year!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In 
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
*From:* Alan Lemly 
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 10:27 PM
*Subject:* RE: How to Force Restart iPhone X

I really have to say that Apple seems to be forgetting the importance of 
keeping things as simple as possible. I know these are smart devices and 
I truly love everything I can do with my iPhone but needing a 4-line 
description of the steps required to reboot an iPhone X seems a bit 
much. I suspect with all those required hoops to jump through, users 
won't be rebooting their iPhones very often.


Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: How to Force Restart iPhone X

OS X Daily - Friday, November 17, 2017 at 11:41 AM How to Force Restart 
iPhone X


If you need to force restart an iPhone X you will need to learn a new 
method, because Apple has changed how you force reboot iPhone X compared 
to prior iPhone models. This is partially because the iPhone X no longer 
has a Home button, so the longstanding method of forced rebooting is no 
longer possible with iPhone X.
Now with iPhone X, you will force restart the device by using a series 
of button presses instead. This tutorial will detail exactly how you can 
initiate a forced restart, sometimes called a hard reboot, of iPhone X.


The sequence is a little strange at first mostly because it s different, 
breaking the habit you may have developed with force rebooting earlier 
iOS devices, but once you get the hang of it you will be able to force 
restart iPhone X almost as quickly as you could earlier devices. You ll 
also need to be sure you press the buttons in the proper order as 
described, otherwise the iPhone X will not force restart.

How to Force Reboot iPhone X
You must press the buttons in sequential order for iPhone X to force 
restart, the first two buttons are pressed and then released, and the 
final button is held until the force reboot occurs. Here s how it works:

1. Press Volume Up, then release
2. Press Volume Down, then release
3. Press and hold the Power / Lock button on the right side of iPhone X
4. Continue to hold the Power / Lock / Side button until the ? Apple 
logo appears on screen of iPhone X


It may feel like it takes a while to see the ? Apple logo appear on 
screen, but once you do see it you will know you have successfully 
forced the iPhone X to restart.
Remember, you must follow the proper order of pressing the buttons to 
force reboot iPhone X, if it fails then just start over and try again.
If you try and press the buttons concurrently you ll likely either take 
a screenshot on iPhone X or initiate the Emergency Calling feature, 
neither of which you are likely trying to do if you simply want to force 
the iPhone to restart. The proper way is: Up, Down, hold Power.
This is yet another evolving change in the iOS world, but it turns out 
that force restarting iPhone X with the new button sequence is actually 
also how you force reboot an iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, though it is 
different from force restarting iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, which is 
also different from forcibly rebooting iPhone 6s, 6, 5, 4, and iPad 
models with clickable Home buttons. With the steps changing on several 
occasions, perhaps we ll see another change with forced restarts on iOS 
devices down the road, time will tell.


Oh and by the way, you can also preform a regular reboot of iPhone X by 
simply turning it off and back on again. You can do that with the 
Power/Volume button press, or with the method that works on all modern 
iOS versions by turning off the iPhone or iPad via Settings, without 
using the Power button and then simply turning it back on again.

Related

Original Article at:
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Re: Seeing AI and scanning documents

[rajmund]

sorry, I can't blame him. it's microsoft, after all. look up what 
they've been collecting about you. that's not to say I won't try the 
app, but it's useful that he reminded us.


On 13/07/17 4:21 PM, Dave wrote:

one word.

Paranoia!

Dave.

-Original Message- From: Shaf Patel
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and scanning documents

Microsoft is probably selling your data in exchange for providing a free
app. If you care about your privacy, just be aware of the information
you share with Seeing AI.


On 7/13/2017 9:37 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I'm going to paste the results I got with the first page  of the 
document of VoiceOver gestures I put together.

I did this free hand based on the feedback from the app.
I am completely blown away by this.  This was on my work iPhone 6S.
You will note that the heading level was kept, and the bullets, not to 
mention the accuracy.

VoiceOver Gestures
* Practice Mode: Four finger double tap, Puts 
VoiceOver in practice mode so you can practice gestures without 
opening or changing anything.

* Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.

If you slide your one finger without lifting it, you can explore what 
is on the screen without changing or opening anything.
* Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or 
left with one finger.
* Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger 
swipe up.
* Read all from the current position: Two-finger 
swipe down.

* Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
* To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous 
screen: Twofinger scrub: Move two fingers rapidly in a small circle or 
slide two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a "z")
* Speak Screen: Touch the status bar with one 
finger and swipe down with two fingers; only works if Speak Screen is 
turned on in settings, general, accessibility, speech. VoiceOver will 
continue reading even if the screen is locked.
* Scroll one page up or down at a time: 
Three-finger swipe up or down.


In Email, if you touch somewhere in the list of emails, then swipe 
down with three fingers, it will refresh the Email list and get any 
new messages.
* Three-finger swipe right or left. For example): 
Go to the next or previous page (on the Home screen.
* Open Notification Center: touch the status bar 
and swipe down with three fingers.



Now, if they add the ability to save multi-page documents, for me, 
this will replace KNFB Reader hands down.


Richard





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Re: Type instead of talk to Siri with iOS 11 - CNET

[rajmund]

anyone actually got this to work in the public beta, please?
I just see help and listen.
On 03/07/17 3:12 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

CNET How To - Friday, June 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM

Type instead of talk to Siri with iOS 11 - CNET
Matt Elliott/CNET

Here's how my conversations with Siri usually go: press the Home button, ask
a question, realize I spoke before Siri was listening, press the Home button
again, ask the question, repeat the question because Siri misheard me, ask
again but louder because Siri still didn't get it right, curse Siri's name,
open the Google search app and ask it my question or just type it in.
Siri has some work to do, but with iOS 11 you can type or talk to Siri. Not
only does typing your queries to Siri avoid the issue of Siri mishearing
you, but it's also useful when you are sitting in a quiet coffee shop or
movie theater and want to ask Siri something.
To enable the feature, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > Siri and
toggle on Type to Siri. Now, when you long-press the Home button, Siri will
pop up with her familiar "What can I help you with?" question but with a
search bar and keyboard below.
  Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
If you want both options of typing and talking to Siri, you can enable the
"Hey, Siri" command so that you can utter those magic words to speak to Siri
and long-press the Home button to type to Siri. You'll find the Hey Siri
setting by going to Settings > Siri & Search.
Read more: All the tips, tricks and new features of iOS 11
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/type-instead-of-talk-to-siri-with-ios-11/#ftag=C
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Re: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version

[rajmund]

Hi Siegard, Well, they better work harder. I just opened app store, went in 
updates, and the last thing I see updated was dropbox, the 28th. 




 still no signs of skype. If they are intending on supporting IOS9, and I was 
incorrect, as it stands, at the time of writing, while may not be an 
intentional issue, skype will still not update on the 64 bit IOS9 devices. So I 
wonder. Did they intentionally drop 32 bit, or is that yet another bug? as for 
what'sApp, haven't redownloaded it, for I'm on the public beta, so can't 
download it...Sent from an iPad Air

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 5:07 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rajmund,
> 
> As far as Skype only supporting devices running iOS 10, this is incorrect as 
> of the last update (yesterday), , see below from the app store page:
> 
> What's New in Version 8.1.2
> Issue resolved: Skype now supports all iOS 9.0 (or later) iPhones.
> 
> This would indicate that it was a bug in the initial release of Skype 8.x for 
> iOS.
> The fact is that this version of Skype is not very nice to say the least. The 
> few reviews that have been posted say the same, people hate it and the one 
> reviewer hit the nail on the head and summarized it well: "Looks bad, slow, 
> glitchy/buggy, hard to navigate, confusing, and overdone".
> I think there are people on the team who thought they are releasing something 
> super-cool and new, instead they made it overly complicated and difficult. I 
> give them credit somewhat for still keeping most of it accessible, the chat 
> issue of course needs to be fixed, hopefully they listen to the reviews and 
> revert back to a more iOS like look, this is not it at all with these buttons 
> and tabs at the top etc. I really like how simple Whats App is, only problem 
> is that I can't use it to call regular phone numbers which is all I use Skype 
> for these days. When it comes to wanting to send text or voice messages Whats 
> App I think is the ticket and it works just as well for audio calls and I 
> assume video calls.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> , he said it was "overdone
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version
> 
> hi,
> braille screen input doesn't register in the text field at all. also, if you 
> double tap and hold your message, you now have more actions than in the past, 
> or at least, the actions are now in the same menu.
> PS. they've dropped support for 32 bit devices, and anything below IOS10...
> 
>> On 26/06/17 11:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I find this is true, but not totally true. I just updated and then 
>> started a chat. When I was in the edit field where it said “Type your 
>> message here” I started typing and with each letter I heard a bonk 
>> sound and it is true that I couldnot review what I wrote. But I just 
>> wrote to a friend something like “Hey, are you still alive”, when I 
>> pressed “Sent” and then checked it did say the time and read out the message.
>> So, right now you are probably better off writing in Notes or another 
>> text editor and then select your message, cut it and paste it into the 
>> Skype chat window after you made sure it is the way you want it to be, 
>> if you use a bluetooth keyboard and don’t mind not being able to 
>> review/correct beyond pressing the backspace if you know you made a 
>> mistake then you can still type in the chat window.
>> 
>> This is now version 8 something so it seems to be a major update, 
>> let’s give some feedback and hopefully Microsoft will fix this shortly.
>> 
>> By the way, the screen layout has totally changed. There are no longer 
>> tabs or buttons along the bottom. You now have an area at the top with 
>> all the information and buttons, it is 3 lines. On the very top (line 
>> 1 so to speak) you have from left to right the following:
>> 
>> Main screen: New Conversation or Contact, My Info, People and Call
>> 
>> Under New Conversation or Contact the following menu comes up:
>> 
>> New Group
>> 
>> New Chat
>> 
>> New Call
>> 
>> New Highlight
>> 
>> Find Bot
>> 
>> Invite People to Skype
>> 
>> Cancel
>> 
>> Under the “My Info” tab there is a section where you can complete 1 of 
>> 5 “cards”, haven’t explored this very much, when it came up after 
>> opening the app I tapped on “Hide all cards” and that made it go away.
>> 
>>

Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[rajmund]

which I haven't figured out how to, LOL. if someone can help, that will 
be awesome indeed. BTW, this is not to do with 32 bit apps, someone was 
recommending it


On 30/06/17 9:49 AM, Portia Scott wrote:

The only way to supposedly get around it, is to install the apps via iTunes.

On 6/30/17, Portia Scott  wrote:

Yeah I know they don't want us discussing private betas, etc. However,
just wanted to let you guys know this is a bug Apple has to fix.

On 6/30/17, rajmund  wrote:

hi,
while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.

On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi,

I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no
longer compatible being 32 bit?
Good luc,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Nimer Jaber 
wrote:

Hello,

I am attempting to install apps I previously had installed on a new
device, however there is a bug where the button to install cannot be
found or located with VO. Does anyone have suggestions for a
work-around
that they have been able to get to work?

Thanks.

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Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[rajmund]

hi,
while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.

On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi,

I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no longer 
compatible being 32 bit?
Good luc,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:

Hello,

I am attempting to install apps I previously had installed on a new device, 
however there is a bug where the button to install cannot be found or located 
with VO. Does anyone have suggestions for a work-around that they have been 
able to get to work?

Thanks.

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Re: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version

[rajmund]

hi,
braille screen input doesn't register in the text field at all. also, if 
you double tap and hold your message, you now have more actions than in 
the past, or at least, the actions are now in the same menu.

PS. they've dropped support for 32 bit devices, and anything below IOS10...

On 26/06/17 11:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi,

I find this is true, but not totally true. I just updated and then 
started a chat. When I was in the edit field where it said “Type your 
message here” I started typing and with each letter I heard a bonk sound 
and it is true that I couldnot review what I wrote. But I just wrote to 
a friend something like “Hey, are you still alive”, when I pressed 
“Sent” and then checked it did say the time and read out the message. 
So, right now you are probably better off writing in Notes or another 
text editor and then select your message, cut it and paste it into the 
Skype chat window after you made sure it is the way you want it to be, 
if you use a bluetooth keyboard and don’t mind not being able to 
review/correct beyond pressing the backspace if you know you made a 
mistake then you can still type in the chat window.


This is now version 8 something so it seems to be a major update, let’s 
give some feedback and hopefully Microsoft will fix this shortly.


By the way, the screen layout has totally changed. There are no longer 
tabs or buttons along the bottom. You now have an area at the top with 
all the information and buttons, it is 3 lines. On the very top (line 1 
so to speak) you have from left to right the following:


Main screen: New Conversation or Contact, My Info, People and Call

Under New Conversation or Contact the following menu comes up:

New Group

New Chat

New Call

New Highlight

Find Bot

Invite People to Skype

Cancel

Under the “My Info” tab there is a section where you can complete 1 of 5 
“cards”, haven’t explored this very much, when it came up after opening 
the app I tapped on “Hide all cards” and that made it go away.


If you tap on “People”, you get a Close button at the top left, the 
“People” heading across the top and then on 3 lines the following:


Search people and bots

Sync your addressbook

Invite people to Skype

Then there is a “Recommended” section, your “Favourites” section and 
then all your Skype contacts.


Under calls you have a similar layout, the top line has the close 
button, then the “Call” heading and to the right of that 3 buttons: 
Skype Credit Amount, Call multiple people and Dial a phone number


Back to the main screen, underneath that top row of buttons you have 3 
tabs as follows:


No new highlights, 1 of 3

Selected, No unread chat, 2 of 3 (this seems to be selected by default 
when you open the app)


Capture tab, 3 of 3: this gives you options across the bottom, “Open 
Gallery”, “Capture Photo or Video and “Switch to Front Facing Camera”, 
at the top left is “back” and the top right is “toggle flash”.


All in all I don’t know yet what to think of this new look, I’m sure 
it’s designed to be visually more appealing, it all seems to be 
accessible with the exception of the text chat edit field.


Reg

Ards,

Sieghard

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Davy Cuppens

*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 1:36 PM
*To:* peel-the-ap...@groups.io; viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version

Hi folks

A Dutch guy I know has noticed that the chat in skype became totally 
inaccessible. Voiceover does nolonger give any feedback.


So, if skype text chat is important to you, do not update!

Regards

Davy

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Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

[rajmund]

hi,
you can certainly register what'sApp with a text now number, should you 
be paranoid like I am. you just download text now, get a number, then 
verify with what'sApp, and get what'sApp to call you with the 
verification code, and there you go. and no, this is not, to my 
knowledge, illegal.


On 23/06/17 11:29 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

yeah, that is kind of what I thought. its a shame, really as its a pretty good 
app otherwise.

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On Jun 23, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Eric,

Whats App needs to be associated with a phone number, it does not work on an 
iPod Touch or iPad.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eric Oyen
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

I finally got around to setting it up on my device just now. its fairly simple, 
but it does require you have a phone number. My other iPhone doesn't have a 
phone number associated with it, so setup might be a tad more involved there.

btw, my whatap ID is 16233995635

-eric

On Jun 23, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Casey,

It's an iOS app and all iOS apps need to be downloaded from the App Store.
Go to the App Store on your phone, search for "Whats App", install it and when 
you open it everything is very straight forward. You select your country, enter phone 
number and confirm with a code that is sent to your phone I think. That's basically it 
except for giving some permissions like to use the camer, microphone and get access to 
your contacts and allow push notifications.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Casey
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

Hi how do you down load this directly to my phone?
Do I have to go to the web site on the phone or can I just go to the app store 
and get it also?




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael D. Ulrich
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

Casey, it should be fairly straightforward and easy to follow once you open the 
app. At least it was pretty good for me.

Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!



On Jun 23, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Casey  wrote:

Okay once you get it how do you set it up?




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael D. Ulrich
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:51 AM
To: co...@colinflaherty.com
Subject: ‎WhatsApp Messenger

‎Hey,

I just downloaded WhatsApp Messenger on my iPhone.

It is a smartphone messenger which replaces SMS. This app even lets me send 
pictures, video and other multimedia!

WhatsApp Messenger is available for many smartphones and there is no PIN or 
username to remember - it works just like SMS and uses your Internet data plan.

Get it now from https://whatsapp.com/dl/ and say good-bye to SMS!



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Re: New siri voices in IOS 11

[rajmund]

hi,
actually, we can discuss that there are new voices, since apple has 
showed it to us. now, whether they can be used as voiceover voices, 
those can't be discussed.


On 13/06/17 6:11 PM, Jenifer Barr wrote:

Hi Ming.
Even if this is true people beta testing IOS 11 cannot discuss. I am not one of 
them that's why I'm replying.
Have a great day.
Jen


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:29 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone  
wrote:

hi all!
anyone know that in IOS 11 it has some new siri voices.
does the voices also can work in voice over as well?


thanks!
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re: hot spot

[rajmund]

Hi,
4) She will be using her mobile data.
3) You may have to turn on and off hotspot, to be seen again, at 
least I do with my note takers, although she could always just 
plug it in with USB.  2) If she moves away, as long as she's 
within a certain amount of range, the phone and laptop stay 
connected.
1) She'll have to enter the key, if she chooses the wireless, 
over the USB option.



- Original Message -
From: Ann Byrne My student wants to set up her phone as a hot spot, instead of 
using
the unreliable internet connection in the apartment complex where 
she lives.


1.  Will her computer connect automatically after the initial set 
up?
2.  When she takes the phone with her away from the computer, is 
she

still transmitting internet data?
3.  When she comes back home, will the computer find the internet
without her doing anything about it?
4.  What is the down side of the process?

Thanks.  This is uncharted territory for me.  Is there an article
somewhere I can read to learn more?

Thanks,

Ann

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re: ios 11

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Hi,
No, but we may hear something today.

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Re: Convince me guys IOS or no IOS

[rajmund]

Hi,
Weird.  I jump between Kitkat and lollipop, talkBack 5.07, and 
5.2, and despite the lack of built in braille screen input, and 
my lack of talkBack knowledge, as I never cared to learn it LOL, 
I can do everything else without any frustrations.


- Original Message -
From: "MamaPeach" I haven’t used it in a while as my screen stopped working, so I 
could not ask for any kind of visual help with anything.  Tried 
finding somewhere to repair the screen, but that was a no go, no 
one had the parts to fix it.  It was an older version of Android 
and it would not update to a newer version.  I think the tablet 
that I was using was Android 5.1, but I am not sure as it is 
totally dead now.  I am sure they have improved it since then, 
but it was so frustrating that I just will stick to using my IOS 
device.


From: Michael Maslo
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Convince me guys IOS or no IOS

Hello, add a curiosity, when is the last time you tried android? 
What version of android was it, what version to talk back, and 
how long did you keep the android device?






Sincerely,

Michael Maslo

On May 20, 2017, at 11:12, MamaPeach  
wrote:



 I have used both and prefer IOS to android.  Yes, they are more 
expensive, but so much easier to use.  I loathe Talk Back, it is 
more frustrating for me.  I tried using an Android tablet and an 
Android phone and hated both of them.  It is IOS all the way for 
me.


 -Original Message- From: Wayne Scott
 Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:55 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Convince me guys IOS or no IOS

 IOS is definitely more accessible than Android, from wha I have
 read.

 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Mann  I like the blindness apps that are available for IOS.  
BeSpecular

 and Be My Eyes are a couple examples.  Money Reader is another
 example.  It is really easy to use a Braille display with IOS.
 Just go into VoiceOver Settings, Braille then pair it.  One 
thing

 that really annoys me about Android is that from what I
 understand, each phone is laid out differently because each
 manufacturer puts its junk on.  An iPhone is an iPhone.  Once 
you

 learn one, you can use any iPhone that you have your hands on.
 Usually, when I get a new iPhone, I am able to get it set up
 within an hour or less then go on about my business.  What 
really

 annoys me about Android is that not every phone gets updates.
 That means that if I am one of the unlucky people who has a 
phone

 that won't get Android O, I just have to read on mailing lists
 about the kool features while I'm stuck on the earlier version.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 20, 2017, at 3:23 AM, Douglas Cameron
  wrote:

 Hey guys.  So, yeah yeah flack time….  I currently have a
 blackberry PRIV running android 6.0.1, love the phone yes! But
 here is my question.  I just got myself a brand new shiny fast
 sleek MBP and the question of android or IOS is popping into my
 head.  I have a good while before I can afford to afford to get 
a

 new device, but I want some input here.  Other than the
 continuity features, please tell me what is so great about IOS
 today.  Please don’t tell me that its got the best
 accessibility, because that is a fallacy since google is equal,
 but features, useful new tools, etc just something that would
 actually sway me more to looking seriously at IOS again.
 thanks
 Doug.

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RE: Convince me guys IOS or no IOS

[rajmund]

Hi,
Yes, I'm pretty sure, or at least the last time I checked, most 
android is still stuck on kitkat.  As there are so many android 
devices, and yet there are more of them than apple devices, they 
run a range of software.  It all depends on the manufacturer.

PS.  My iPad is still proudly sitting on IOS9.3.5, by choice.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel No, not all iPhones are running the same version of iOS, but it 
is a fact that almost 80% of all iOS devices were running iOS 10 
approx.  5 months after its release and if you take iOS 9 and iOS 
10 together 95% of all iOS devices run those two latest versions 
with only 5% running earlier versions.
Android doesn’t even get close to these numbers, it is just the 
nature of the beast and one example where Apple’s control over 
hardware, software and the eco system is a good thing.  Apple 
also told the large carriers right from day one that Apple will 
be in charge of pushing out updates whereas many carriers are 
responsible to do this for Android devices.

Here an article putting this into perspective:

iOS 10 Now Installed on Nearly 80% of Active iOS Devices
Wednesday February 22, 2017 6:18 am PST by Joe Rossignol
Just over five months after iOS 10 was released to the public, 
the operating system is now installed on 79% of active iOS 
devices, according to the latest adoption data shared by Apple.
iOS 9 remains installed on 16% of active iPhone, iPad, and iPod 
touch devices, while 5% of devices are running an earlier iOS 
version, as measured by the App Store on February 20.
iOS 10 adoption appears to be slightly outpacing iOS 9 adoption 
over the same time period.  iOS 9 adoption briefly stalled at 77% 
of active devices last February.
iOS 10 could see further adoption when iOS 10.3, which is 
currently in beta for developers and public testers, is 
officially released.  The software update's key new features 
include "Find My AirPods" and a switch to the all-new Apple File 
System (APFS).
iOS adoption continues to significantly outpace Android.  Nougat, 
the latest version of Android, is installed on just 1.2% of 
active Android devices as of February 6, despite being released 
six months ago today.  Android Lollipop, released in November 
2014, is still installed on 32.9% of active devices.
Apple's control over both hardware and software gives it an 
advantage over the Android ecosystem, while Apple persistently 
notifies iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch users to update to the 
latest iOS version, including offering the option to have the 
software update install overnight while the device is plugged in.


Here some data from Google about Android.  Spoiler: Nougat which 
is the latest version of Android and which came out I think 
before iOS 10 has just under 5% to the 79% ofo iOS 10.:


Gingerbread 2.3.3 to 2.3.7: 0.9%

Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.3 to 4.0.4: 0.9%

Jelly Bean: 10.1% overall
4.1.x: 3.5%
4.2.x: 5.1%
4.3: 1.5%

KitKat4.4: 20%

Lollipop: 32% overall
5.0: 9.0%
5.1: 23%

Marshmallow 6.0: 31.2%

Nougat: 4.9% overall
7.0: 4.5%
7.1: 0.4%

*The data above is from Google.  It was collected during a 
seven-day period ending on April 3, 2017.  Any versions with less 
than 0.1 percent distribution are not shown.


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Re: Convince me guys IOS or no IOS

[rajmund .]

hi,
honestly, 2 things that come in mind, OK, 3 that stand out.
1] iMessage. free messaging without third party apps is great.
2] the quality of faceTime, I still find the best out there.
3] on screen braille, I couldn't get to work on android at all, and 
while it could be me, I have to rate apple for it as of now.


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Hey guys. So, yeah yeah flack time…. I currently have a blackberry PRIV running 
android 6.0.1, love the phone yes! But here is my question. I just got myself a 
brand new shiny fast sleek MBP and the question of android or IOS is popping 
into my head. I have a good while before I can afford to afford to get a new 
device, but I want some input here. Other than the continuity features, please 
tell me what is so great about IOS today. Please don’t tell me that its got the 
best accessibility, because that is a fallacy since google is equal, but 
features, useful new tools, etc just something that would actually sway me more 
to looking seriously at IOS again.
thanks
Doug.



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Re: controlling unwanted motion

[rajmund .]

hi,
correction. I can send the affects on my 5s.

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On 19/05/17 3:11 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:

Hello Vickie,

iMessage effects are little animations that can be added to an iMessage to 
another iPhone, iPad, or Mac. This does stuff like adding fireworks, confetti, 
etc. You would perform it on an iPhone 6s or newer with the 3D touch feature on 
the send button in Messages. On the iPad I believe that you would have to  
double tap and hold on the iPad, assuming you are using VoiceOver. If not you 
will just simply tap and hold on the send button.

I hope this helps,

Ed

On May 19, 2017, at 5:11 AM, Vicki  wrote:

Reduced motion was off so I turned it on. What is IMessage effect?


- Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: controlling unwanted motion


Keep in mind that when reduced motion is off you can't use iMessage effects. Also, 
it make no difference with respect to how sensitive the screen is etc. If you are 
maybe referring to the phone unlocking when you move it then you need to turn off 
raise to wake in Settings > Display and Brightness.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: controlling unwanted motion

Thank you.

- Original Message - From: "Judy Pryor" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: controlling unwanted motion



There is also a reduce motion button in settings, general, accessibility.
Judy

Sent from my iPhone


On 17 May 2017, at 19:27, christopher hallsworth
 wrote:

Hello, focus on the status bar at the top of the screen, perform a three
finger swipe up to reveal the Control Centre, then double tap lock
orientation to turn it on.

On 17 May 2017, at 19:22, Vicki  wrote:

Good Afternoon,

Which setting do I change to control what happens when I move my IPhone
or IPad? The motion is way too sensitive and screens change, apps close
etc. when I move the Phone or IPad?

Thanks.

Vicki


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Re: controlling unwanted motion

[rajmund]

Hi,
Except...  IPads don't have lock orientation in the control 
center.  One has to go in settings, general, and choose what the 
side switch does.


Sent from a BrailleNote


- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth Hello, focus on the status bar at the top of the screen, perform 
a three finger swipe up to reveal the Control Centre, then double 
tap lock orientation to turn it on.

On 17 May 2017, at 19:22, Vicki  wrote:

Good Afternoon,

Which setting do I change to control what happens when I move my 
IPhone or IPad? The motion is way too sensitive and screens 
change, apps close etc.  when I move the Phone or IPad?


Thanks.

Vicki


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Re: iMazing 2.2 review: A better way to use your Mac to manage your iPhone and iPad

[rajmund .]

hi,
with NVDA, no. the furthest I got with these things, was the demo 
version of iExplore, with a combination of narrator and NVDA on windows 
10. this one, when I tried the demo, unless I'm confusing it, on the 
windows side of things, was no hope.


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On 16/05/17 7:05 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I wonder if anyone has used this app, this iteration of this app that
is, and has any comments on VoiceOver accessibility. The whole back up
and restore think that the author describes sounds really nice. But the
app does cost $40. So you don't want to buy it unless it's accessible.
That might be why maybe nobody's tried it yet.
Mary

iMazing 2.2 review: A better way to use your Mac to manage your iPhone
and iPad
Macworld  /  J.R. Bookwalter

iMazing  ($40 for a single-user license; multi-user
licenses available) is an iOS device management utility designed as an
alternative to iTunes. Available for Mac or PC (the license can be used
on either platform), iMazing doesn’t sync files in the traditional
sense, but rather acts as a conduit for transferring files between
desktop computers and iPhone, iPad, or iPod devices.

Think of iMazing as iTunes without media purchasing or playback, but a
whole lot more versatile. iMazing also does many things Apple’s media
player can only dream of, like exporting iMessage conversations. Annoyed
by how iTunes saves device backups on your internal drive? With iMazing,
you can store these enormous files anywhere you’d like, and browse
archives with Time Machine-style simplicity. (Archives work on Mac or
PC-formatted volumes, not on network-attached storage devices.)

imazing 2.2 backup optionsJ. R. Bookwalter/IDG

iMazing allows iOS device backups to be saved anywhere, but only Mac or
PC formatted volumes work for archives.

In addition to managing apps, photos, music, videos, notes, call logs,
and voice memos, iMazing 2.2 adds the ability to transfer ebooks and PDF
documents to iBooks. Better yet, photos can now be transferred from
computer to iOS via drag-and-drop, although albums created this way
can’t be deleted from the Photos app and won’t be included in backups.

There are other limitations to be aware of. Certain data types including
Messages, call history, voicemail, Contacts, and Notes can only be
accessed from a backup, rather than the device itself. As a result,
iMazing occasionally feels slower to use than iTunes. My personal pet
peeve is how long the application takes to perform an initial scan of
iCloud Photo Library thumbnails, although devices with fewer images
won’t have this problem.

imazing 2.2 stock2DigiDNA

iMazing can also access and export text messages, but only from an
existing device backup.


Restore and transfer

One of iMazing’s coolest features is the ability to copy content between
devices, quite handy for upgrading to a new iPhone or iPad. Rather than
restore from iTunes or a lengthy iCloud backup, you simply connect both
devices, start the transfer, and sit back while the software does its
thing. It’s a more streamlined process that puts Apple’s cumbersome
method to shame.

iMazing 2.2 makes other welcome improvements to the traditionally
front-loaded restore process. Rather than having to connect a new device
via Wi-Fi to activate and update to the latest version of iOS, iMazing
seamlessly handles these tasks as part of its restore wizard.

imazing 2.2 restore wizardDigiDNA

Restoring backups to a new device just got way easier thanks to
iMazing’s one-click transfer wizard.

You’ll endure fewer annoying iOS Setup Assistant screens during a
restore, since the software automatically takes care of many account
login prompts for you. (Signing in to install App Store updates is still
required, however.) Similar conveniences extend to updating or
reinstalling iOS itself. Since devices are always connected to the
utility over Wi-Fi, iMazing detects when the current version is out of
date and offers to update with a click.

You can also do the same with a complete reinstall, even during a
restore. Although like iTunes, you won’t be able to downgrade to older
iOS versions once Apple has stopped signing them. There are plenty of
smaller improvements too, like a new preferences tab for Devices, with
options to prevent iTunes from performing automatic backups or launching
after connecting a device.


Bottom line

Keep iTunes around for buying or playing media files, but when it comes
to managing iOS devices and transferring media files, it doesn’t get
much better than iMazing 2.



Original Article:
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Re: ios10.3.2 is out

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hi, there was nothing to include, as this was a new thread.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 15/05/17 10:11 PM, Marie wrote:

Since you do not include the message to which you are responding, your
message is a bit hard to figure out.
Marie


*From:* Davy Cuppens
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*Subject:* ios10.3.2 is out

That is enough for an announcement I guess?
Regards
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RE: Question regarding Android, and Apple music

[rajmund]

Hi,
Whether it's on topic or not, is debatable.  ITunes topics are 
allowed, so I can't see why the apple music app was any 
different.


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- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel As long as you have your Apple Id you can certainly pay your 
Dollar for the 50 Gb storage, but if you don't have any iOS 
devices and only an Apple TV I don't know why you would want 
iCloud storage.  It is for backing up documents and photos to 
iCloud and not much else.


As for your question about Android and Apple Music you would be 
better off joining an Android list, it is not exactly on topic 
for an iOS list.  A few lists were recently posted here, if you 
go to the archives and search for "Android list" I'm sure you can 
find it easily enough.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel

Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 9:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question regarding Android, and Apple music

Hello everyone,


As I mentioned in an earlier message, a few days ago, I am giving 
Android a shot!


I have nothing at all against Apple products.  I am learning my 
Mac, and am enjoying it.  Also, I will definitely keep my Apple 
TV.


I just wanted to give Android a chance, and see what I think of 
it.  Who knows, I might end up really disliking it, and go back 
to the iPhone, rather soon.



But now for a few questions, regarding Apple music.


I heard, or read, that you can use Apple music on Android.

Is this true?

If so, how does this work?

I mean, how do you still pay for it?

And how do you get the Android phone, to recognize the App?

Would I still see my library?

Can I still download music, save music, and even purchase music?


I did put the App on my phone, the other day.

However, when I tried to sign in, and enter the code I got from 
my iPad, I kept being told that either my user name, or password 
was incorrect.  I know this is not the case at all! I know that 
information, quite well.


Does anyone know what might cause this to happen?

I tried a few times, and there weren't any changes.

By the way, I would just use my iPad for Apple music.  But I plan 
to get rid of it, quite soon.  And I don't always want to listen 
to music, over my TV.



I just don't get how all this would work.  Maybe this isn't the 
proper place to ask.  If not, please someone point me in the 
right direction.



Also, I still get iCloud storage.

Will I still get this, due to having an Apple TV?

I pay a dollar for I think, 50 gigs.


Any help with any of my questions, will be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Sieghard Weitzel

[rajmund]

Hi,
Not to mention 7zip, then just click on  the HTML files.

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- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel I Googled "Reading ePub books on a PC" and found a number of ways 
to do this.  There are free applications and also extensions for 
Firefox and Google Chrome, I just never have done this either 
since the only ePub book I have is Jonathan Mosen's book and I 
would use Voice Dream Reader on my iPhone to read it.  If you 
write to Jonathan he can also send you the book in Word or PDF 
format and maybe even in text format or you could Google "epub to 
PDF converter" and you will probably find online converters which 
can convert it so you could then use Acrobat Reader to read it.
I never read eBooks since I work with my computer all day long 
and when I read for pleasure I want to hear a human voice so for 
me it's Audible all the way.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nancy

Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sieghard Weitzel

Sieghard ,


Per your suggestion, I got _IOS without the Eye_ in EPub format.


I have a VRStream that reads that format, but how do I read EPub 
on my PC?



Thank you for your suggestion and help.


Nancy and her SE

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Re: Retrieving Deleted Text Messages

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hi,
same to this as well. depending on when they were delted, or if there 
are other devices, that may have recieved it, there's hope.


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Hello Rick, unfortunately note to this one as well.
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Is there any way of retrieving  deleted text messages in the native  IOS
messaging app?

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Re: Retrieving Deleted Recents List

[rajmund]

hi,
actually, iCloud backup could be your answer, though not sure if one is 
willing to go that far, just to get back their call history.


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Hi Rick, unfortunately not.
Joseph Hudson

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Is there any way of getting back the  list of recent calls after they have
been deleted?
I did not find anything in the native phone app in IOS.

Rick Justice

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Re: Pairing an iphone 7 with a braille display

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hi,it is  for the apex with an iPhone.

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Does anyone know the code for pairing a Braillenote Apex with an iphone
7?  I thought it was four zeroes, but that doesn’t seem to be working.



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Re: Have an email question, regarding iCloud accounts

[rajmund]

Hi there,
Thunderbird is considered identical to Microsoft outlook, that 
would come with Microsoft office.  They're both email clients.  
Whereas outlook.com is an email provider, similar to GMAIL.  HTH.


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- Original Message -
From: Terri Stimmel Hello to Kliphton, Mark, and to others who responded to my 
questions.



First of all, I appreciate this.

Now I have a couple of other questions.


Ok, when I say that I use Thunderbyrd, is this considered an 
email client?
Maybe I am mixing up the differences between what Thunderbyrd 
should be

called, and what Outlook should be referred to as.
Also, I don't have any office products.  Just can't really afford 
that

for now.
So if I have no office products, and no Outlook on my computer, 
then how

would this even work?
I do have the Outlook App on my iPhone.  And of course, I have 
the mail,
native App.  This is 1 place where I can of course view my iCloud 
mail

account.

Also, thank you Mark for the instructions you found for me.  I 
appreciate

that.

Terri

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Re: Restoring the Iphone

[rajmund]

hi,
actually, if you factory reset phone, on iCloud, choose show older 
backups, you can do just what you're after. sorry, not much info in 
this, but the bottom line is, you can do it. let me know if you need 
more information.


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On 27/04/17 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

It can't be done automatically unless you somehow do backups via iTunes
and manage to rename them manually, not sure if that is possible.
Otherwise a restore will always restore the last backup that is
available via iCloud or iTunes.





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Behalf Of *Jeremy Gilley
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*Subject:* Restoring the Iphone



Good morning folks,



How can I restore my iphone to an older date?

Lets say my phone is backed up on a daily bases, but I want to restore
it to last Friday.

How can this be done?

Any tips would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: anyone else having facebook issues?

[rajmund]

Hi,
I'm not getting them with GMX, either.  Yet, if I comment on the 
particular subject or post, I then start receiving.  I looked at 
my FB settings, everything looks OK.  This simply just does not 
work as advertised, I wish it was something to do with iCloud, 
but it isn't.


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- Original Message -
From: Carol Adams Check your iCloud settings, sometimes when an update is 
downloaded it can slightly change iCloud settings, very unusual 
but I have known it happen, hope this helps, Carol


Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Apr 2017, at 09:31, Rebecca Ilniski  
wrote:


My issue with facebook is that I'm not getting any email 
notifications to my icloud.com address.  I made sure that all 
email notifications are on in my account.  Still no email from 
facebook.  I checked my junk folder and no email collecting in 
there.  Any ideas on what I can do?


Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com

On Apr 23, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Paul Richard McGann 
 wrote:


to all,

for you having facebook issues ike crashing down and also 
messenger issues, go to apple store and let technicians see for 
themselves and they report to apple team and they can let 
facebook know of this.  like jake at south hills village apple 
store, he saw what happened and he reported to the apple team 
about it.  so he got me remove messenger and reinstall it back 
on.  do the same thign with facebook remove, and reinstall and it 
should be better.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- From: Lev
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: anyone else having facebook issues?

hi,

I'm in ios latest version, i phone SE and facebook app updated 
at the

moment,

but I'm experimenting troubles, every time I open up the app, it 
just

crushes...

anyone else having this issue?



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re: Skype and IPhone

[rajmund]

Hi, Yep, it's correct.  Skype doesn't need phone signal, so you 
should be good.


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Verizon account.  I am considering dropping the service on this 
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will still work on the phone even though it is not active on the 
Verizon service as long as I am connected to Wi-Fi.  Is this a 
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RE: call blacklist type apps?

[rajmund]

Hi,
And why did I never get the pleasure to have a go at one yet? I 
feel like I've missed out on something.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donald Moore

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: call blacklist type apps?



With the scammers being able to fake phone numbers, I don't 
understand how that can be done with a whole lot of hit and miss.  
I've even gotten crap callers who show my phone number as the 
number calling in.  Love to make fun of the accents though!








From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: call blacklist type apps?



Boy I hear that, Simon, I'd be interested in finding a good 
accessible app for that too.




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On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: call blacklist type apps?



hello all,

are there any good voiceOver accessible apps that one can use to 
put unwanted callers on a black list type of thing so that they 
can no longer get through, and that will preferably tell them 
that there calls are unwanted and will not get through?


as I am getting a number of unwanted pestilential calls that I 
would like to do this with.




Simon





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dice world chat crash using braille screen input

[rajmund]

Hi Guys,
If one tries to use braille screen input on an apple, whether 
that be IOS9 or 10, whether that be an iPad or an iPhone, after 
turning the rotor out of braille screen input, is anyone actually 
able to send a message? I wrote the developers about it once, 
they told me that they have no braille displays, indicating, they 
have no clues what I'm on about.  Any feedback regarding this 
issue will be appreciated.  Basically, here's what happens to me.  
I open the chat, highlight the text field, braille out my answer, 
and, as soon as I leave braille screen input, the app just throws 
me out to the home screen.  100%

reproduceable on this end.
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Re: Vo speaking punctuation

[rajmund]

hi,
settings, general, accessibility, voiceover, rotor. put punctuation on 
it. then, twist rotor to punctuation, set it to none and enjoy. good to 
know there are others besides me, who can't stand it, by the way.


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On 16/04/17 11:09 PM, Judy Phillips wrote:

Would someone please tell me how to get VO to stop speaking punctuation.  I 
find that to be quite annoying.

Thanks very much.

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Re: Does the Pandora App Have a Volume Control?

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if you turn it off, the music will be louder, hence I asked.

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On 16/04/17 1:49 AM, Evan Reese wrote:

Yup, audio ducking is enabled. I haven't been able to decide whether I
want to keep it or not. It's not on my laptop, and I don't seem to have
a problem not having it, so I think I'll turn it off.
Evan

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Subject: Re: Does the Pandora App Have a Volume Control?

hi,
regarding the volume, by chance, is your audio ducking enabled?

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On 13/04/17 9:43 PM, Evan Reese wrote:



Hey Guys,




I really like my Pandora stations that I listen to using Hope for
Pandora on my laptop. I decided that I would like to get the Pandora app
for my iPad Mini 4 so I could take it out into the yard and not have to
lug my laptop out there.
Since I already had an account, I got all my stations when I logged in.
Unfortunately, I guess I’m spoiled by the version of Pandora I get when
I use Hope on my laptop, so I’m not sure I’m going to keep this app.
Firstly, it plays ads every two or three songs, which I don’t get with
Hope.
Secondly, it doesn’t sound as good.
Thirdly, if I do keep it, I’d like to find the volume control if it has
one because it seems that the music is a good deal softer than my
VoiceOver volume and I’d like to even them up a bit if I can. The Hope
version does have a volume control. But I can’t find any volume control
on this app. There’s a Setting button, but when I double tap it, I can’t
see that it does anything. If it doesn’t have a volume control, then I
may well just delete it, given it’s other drawbacks over the Hope
version, i.e. inferior sound and ads.
Thanks for any advice.
Evan

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Re: Recording Voicemail Greeting

[rajmund]

hi Mike,
phone, then find the voice mail tab. at this point, mine rings voice 
mail. though I do have a feeling this is somewhat carrier dependent.


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On 14/04/17 6:42 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Rajmund,

How do you call your iPhone Voice Mail from your iPhone?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
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*Subject:* Re: Recording Voicemail Greeting

hi,
when calling voice mail, turn off VO with the tripple click, then when
finished, turn it on. assuming your carrier is like mine.

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I am wondering if it is possible to record a new Voicemail greeting on the
iPhone without Voiceover.
So far, I have had no luck excluding Voiceover from the recording, even
tried turning it off prior to recording
my greeting, but no luck making the recording.
I can call from a landline, to record a new greeting, but would like to do
it from the iPhone if possible.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Rick



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Re: Does the Pandora App Have a Volume Control?

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hi,
regarding the volume, by chance, is your audio ducking enabled?

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Hey Guys,




I really like my Pandora stations that I listen to using Hope for
Pandora on my laptop. I decided that I would like to get the Pandora app
for my iPad Mini 4 so I could take it out into the yard and not have to
lug my laptop out there.
Since I already had an account, I got all my stations when I logged in.
Unfortunately, I guess I’m spoiled by the version of Pandora I get when
I use Hope on my laptop, so I’m not sure I’m going to keep this app.
Firstly, it plays ads every two or three songs, which I don’t get with Hope.
Secondly, it doesn’t sound as good.
Thirdly, if I do keep it, I’d like to find the volume control if it has
one because it seems that the music is a good deal softer than my
VoiceOver volume and I’d like to even them up a bit if I can. The Hope
version does have a volume control. But I can’t find any volume control
on this app. There’s a Setting button, but when I double tap it, I can’t
see that it does anything. If it doesn’t have a volume control, then I
may well just delete it, given it’s other drawbacks over the Hope
version, i.e. inferior sound and ads.
Thanks for any advice.
Evan

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Re: Recording Voicemail Greeting

[rajmund]

hi,
when calling voice mail, turn off VO with the tripple click, then when 
finished, turn it on. assuming your carrier is like mine.


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On 11/04/17 12:36 AM, Richard wrote:

I am wondering if it is possible to record a new Voicemail greeting on the
iPhone without Voiceover.
So far, I have had no luck excluding Voiceover from the recording, even
tried turning it off prior to recording
my greeting, but no luck making the recording.
I can call from a landline, to record a new greeting, but would like to do
it from the iPhone if possible.
Any suggestions?
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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

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hi,
the at sign only seems to be possible in UEB, from what I have tried. 
and in UEB, it's dot 4, dot 1.


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How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I know, 
it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it seems to 
work. Thanks for any information.

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Re: 2 apps that say they are updated but arent

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hi,
true, but I updated the same day these updates have been released, and 
it worked for first attempt, so thought I'll throw it out there.


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On 08/04/17 11:33 AM, Dave wrote:

it's been fixed for a couple of days now.

Dave.

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hi,
for what it's worth, dice world updated no problem here.

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Hi Jen. I too am having the same issue with Dice World. I've done the
necessary troubleshooting steps like turning my phone off and on and
deleting the app totally and reinstalling it but that didn't fix
anything. Perhaps send an email to Marty of Kid Friendly Software and
Nick from Dice World telling them what's going on.

Shawn
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Jen .  wrote:

I am in Canada.  Glad I'm not the only one.
Jen


On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Dave  wrote:

Hi Jen,

I am having exactly the same problem, with the same 2 apps, not sure
what is going on?

Not sure where you are in the world, but i am in the UK, so using
the UK apps store.

But, it isn't happening, with my sister, who lives in australia.

Dave.

-Original Message- From: Jen .
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 2 apps that say they are updated but arent

Hi just went to check the app store to see if there are updates.  I
was told blindfold rulette and dice world had an update.  I updated
them and once updated closed the app store with the app switcher
then went back in and noticed that the apps in question said there
was available update has anyone ever seen this weird behaviour before.
so it says there are updates available I update them close the app
switcher then go back into the App Store and it says there are
available updates again I have tried also updating them one at a
time and it doesn't seem to make a difference
what could be going wrong and how do I fix it
Thanks
Jen

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Re: VoiceOver Reads Email, Please Help

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hi, settings, notifications, email. you want to most likely put it to no 
notification. email will still update, but you will only hear a little 
tone, no text. alternatively, it's the GMAIL app, in which case, you 
could always turn off notifications for that app entirely.


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On 07/04/17 6:33 PM, Fazil wrote:

Hi, list.

I am having a problem since yesterday.

I have IPhone5S with IOS10.3.

Mostly, I retreave my emails via my PC but sometimes use the native
client of IPhone email too. I also have the app for Gmail which I have
never used.

Yesterday, I asked Serie to launch email and she started Gmail. I don’t
know what I did there or did nothing but ever since, VoiceOver, once in
a while,  reads the name of the sender and the part of the email,
probably the subjectline, I am not sure. Perhaps it happens when the
sender uses Gmail account.

It really, bothers me specially when I am listening something on Youtube.

VO reads email when everything is close except YouTube or the app that I
am using at that time.

How can I stop VO from reading the emails, please?

Thanks!





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Re: Updating To iOS 10.31

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hi, if it's backed up, just hit the install button.

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On 06/04/17 11:00 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi All,

Using an SE iPhone with iOS 9.33, & have never done an update.  I'm
going to update to 10.31, & is there anything I should do before double
tapping the install button?  Should I turn off Bluetooth, or anything
like that, or just go ahead & install.  All apps are closed, & I have
backed up the phone to both my computer & iTunes.  Thanks much.
Take care.
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Re: 2 apps that say they are updated but arent

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hi,
for what it's worth, dice world updated no problem here.

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On 06/04/17 2:57 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hi Jen. I too am having the same issue with Dice World. I've done the necessary 
troubleshooting steps like turning my phone off and on and deleting the app 
totally and reinstalling it but that didn't fix anything. Perhaps send an email 
to Marty of Kid Friendly Software and Nick from Dice World telling them what's 
going on.

Shawn
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Jen .  wrote:

I am in Canada.  Glad I'm not the only one.
Jen


On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Dave  wrote:

Hi Jen,

I am having exactly the same problem, with the same 2 apps, not sure what is 
going on?

Not sure where you are in the world, but i am in the UK, so using the UK apps 
store.

But, it isn't happening, with my sister, who lives in australia.

Dave.

-Original Message- From: Jen .
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 2 apps that say they are updated but arent

Hi just went to check the app store to see if there are updates.  I was told 
blindfold rulette and dice world had an update.  I updated them and once 
updated closed the app store with the app switcher then went back in and 
noticed that the apps in question said there was available update has anyone 
ever seen this weird behaviour before.
so it says there are updates available I update them close the app switcher 
then go back into the App Store and it says there are available updates again I 
have tried also updating them one at a time and it doesn't seem to make a 
difference
what could be going wrong and how do I fix it
Thanks
Jen

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Re: Curious about iPhones, and Android phones, and if they can do certain things together

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hi,
this question can be answered in a number of ways. if you do it right, 
you can share things between your apple and android, if you do it right. 
you can also share similar things with friends that have android as 
well. without knowing more, I can't exactly answer.


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On 04/04/17 4:11 PM, Terri Stimmel wrote:

Hello everyone,


Ok first of all, I apologize for the kind of odd, and long subject line
there. But I had know idea as to how else to put that.


I was wondering, can an Android phone, and an iPhone work together with
similar Apps?

I know that the Androids have some games that the iPhones have, and you
can play people no matter the type of phone.

For instance, Dice World.


But say you wanted to share your location, or have something such as
find your friends?

Is this even possible?


I would like to be able to have something like this, between a friend of
mine who obviously has an android phone, and myself. I doubt it's
possible. But I figured it couldn't hurt to ask.

I realize that if something like this does exist, we would both have to
download the App.

And if it does exist, how accessible might it be for me?


Thank you,


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Re: Bypassing Touch ID & Pass Code

[rajmund]

hi there,
after the update, click the more options, and click skip this step.

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On 30/03/17 1:26 AM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi All,

Running an SE with 9.33.  Does anyone know of a way to bypass / skip the
touch ID & pass code screens when updating to iOS 10.3?  All help will
be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.
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Re: One available update

[rajmund]

hi,
click on the notification from the lock screen, then choose set up 
later, when it prompts you.


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On 01/04/17 10:23 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hey Sieghard, you're incorrect about the update automatically enabling 2 factor 
authentication. When I did the update, it asked me if I wanted it on and I said 
no. However, if you don't enable it, you'll receive a nag notification every so 
often asking you to turn it on. I don't know of a way to completely stop those 
notifications so if someone does, they can tell you.

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On Mar 31, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Both are easy, doing an encrypted backup in iTunes is still the most complete 
backup you can do.
Keep in mind that upgrading will automatically enable two-factor 
authentication. Make sure you know your password to login to iTunes/iCloud, 
maybe before the update go to http://appleid.apple.com and login with your 
Apple Id email and password to make sure. You will have to go there afterwards 
and disable two-factor authentication if you don't want it and it has to be 
done within I think 2 weeks or something like that.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Judy Pryor
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One available update

Thanks for that. Which is the easiest way to back up iTunes or iCloud Judy

Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Mar 2017, at 20:02, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi when you update to 10.3 or later you will receive a notification about two 
factor authentication. There will then be some way to not enable this. Since I 
have two factor authentication enabled, I did not get such a notification on my 
5s running 10.2.1 at the time, now updated to 10.3. You may also be prompted to 
create a passcode at the end of the update process. Simply double tap passcode 
options and choose don't add passcode.



On 31 Mar 2017, at 16:35, Judy Pryor  wrote:

Hi at the risk of sounding pretty stupid but I need some answers. I have an 
iPhone SE running 9.3.5 with as far as I know no password or pin unless the 
password would be what I use on iCloud and iTunes.  I want to keep it simple as 
I have it now without the 2 factor security.  How would I go about this? I also 
use a Macbook with Sierra.

Regards

Judy

On 31 Mar 2017, at 00:04, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I would just backup the phone, close all apps from the app switcher and reboot 
the phone.
Then go to Settings > General > Software Update and install whatever shows up 
there. If it is 10.2.1 then just install it and after it's done go back and see if 
10.3 is available.
You could of course also connect your phone to the computer (if you have one with 
iTunes), open iTunes, go to the phone area and activate the "Check for Updates" 
button and see what you get. If you update from what is even a relatively old version of 
iOS 9 to iOS 10 doing it via iTunes would be my first choice.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Deidre Muccio
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One available update

Hello all,
The other day I deleted the downloaded previous update from my manage storage 
area in settings. There's nothing that's been downloaded since, meaning 10.3 
hasn't been downloaded to that spot.
In settings, there is a button that says one available update ready. If my 
memory serves me correctly, if I hit on that button whatever upload that is 
there, will begin to download. Is that what will happen? I want to see what 
upload it is offering me. Previously even after all of you were saying that 
10.3 was out, I was still getting continual reminders to update to not the most 
recent version but the last one 10.2.1 or something like that. I still am on 
9.3.2.

Deidre

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Re: VoiceOver Help After Reset.

[Rajmund]

Hi There,
But don't forget, if one backup doesn't work, another might. There are usually 
more than one backups. 



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From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:22 am
Subject: RE: VoiceOver Help After Reset.

>
>
> Joney,
>  
> Unfortunately restoring an iPhone and then restoring a backup is not 
> necessarily the same as setting up as a new device. Problems can be "backed 
> up" so to speak and reappear once a corrupted backup is restored. If there is 
> a problem with anything where nothing else helps the first thing will always 
> be to restore as a new device. Then after you run the phone for a day or two 
> as a new device without issues you can still restore a previous backup and if 
> the problem you had then reappears you know that it is part of your backup. 
> You then have to restore one more time, set up as a new device and simply 
> start from scratch, set up all your apps and accounts, sync any ringtones or 
> other media you may have etc. It can be a fair bit of work, but at times it's 
> the only way to start with a clean slate.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joney
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VoiceOver Help After Reset.
>  
> If you had done a back up recently, you would not have a problem with that. 
> Because, you would not lose what was on your iPhone. So, if you need it to 
> make the phone I knew object, and then fortunately I've had to do that a 
> timer to you, :-) you simply restore it and put it in and then go to your 
> back ups. As though you had actually bought a brand-new phone. Sometimes that 
> clears all evils. Just decides.
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Jim  wrote:
> The VoiceOver audio was just as bad through headphones as through the phone 
> speaker.
> I called the accessibility team earlier, and they really wanted me to do 
> another full reset, but this time set my phone up as a new device, so I would 
> lose everything on it, as I would not be doing a restore.  I was not willing 
> to do this.
> I uninstalled all the voices, then I updated the phone to the update that 
> just came out yesterday.  Next I cleared the cache, and rebooted the phone.
> Now I have reinstalled a couple of the voices, and they sound so much better 
> than they did earlier.
> So now I will just see how it goes, and make do with the voices as they are.. 
> At least now they don't make me cringe.
> 
> Regards.
> Jim.
> MI0JPC.
> -Original Message- From: rajmund
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.
> 
> HMM, really weird.  If Alex sounds bad, either, it's time for
> apple accessibility.  Before you do, though, what's the story
> like before you plug in headsets?
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim"  To:  Date sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:07:24 +0100
> Subject: Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.
> 
> It does indeed.  It does not matter if I use Alex, or the Daniel
> UK voice,
> or even any of the Australian voices, or the Seri voices, they
> all sound
> equally bad.  I've been using iPhones since the 3GS, and I have
> never seen
> this.  Perhaps it might be time to give the Apple Accessibility
> team a call.
> 
> Regards.
> Jim.
> MI0JPC.
> -Original Message-
> From: rajmund
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.
> 
> Hi,
> So if you for instance, download, Alex, for testing purposes, and
> change to US on the rotor, and put Alex as the US voice, does it
> still sound bad?
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim"  To:  Date sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:46:19 +0100
> Subject: Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.
> 
> I have English UK and American, but the speach is still rubbish
> whichever
> one I select.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards.
> Jim.
> MI0JPC.
> -Original Message-
> From: rajmund
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: re: VoicOver Help After Reset.
> 
> Hi,
> Have a language on yur rotor? Try adjusting it.
> 
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim"  To:  Date sent: Tue, 28 M

Re: An IOS Game To Check Out

[rajmund]

Hi,
It seems to be working fine, but just wondered if anyone else got 
the message.


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Re: IOS 10.3 is now public

[rajmund]

Hi,
LOL didn't give me enough time to turn into the public version.  
OK, installing it now.


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From: M31rio Gabriel I'm sure there will be 10.3.x versions coming out, whether 
there will
be a 10.4 is anybody's guess, but if the past is an indication 
then

10.3 will be the last single dot update.

iOS 9 also just went up to version 9.3, but it went all the way 
to
9.3.5 with that last update being released in late August, only 
a few

weeks before the public release of iOS 10.

Here is a look back with an article from Forbs regarding the bug 
in
iOS 9.3.4 and iOS 9.3.5 where Voiceover caused problems with 
dictation:


vNext week Apple will launch the iPhone 7 and with it the 
overhauled
iOS 10.  But not every iPhone, iPad and iPod touch will get an 
upgrade
to iOS 10, and Apple has just admitted the final version of iOS 
9 has

been left with a nasty surprise...

'Great Features' and 'Nasty Surprises' are my regular 
columns
investigating operating system updates for the best features / 
biggest

problems hidden behind

the headlines.

So what happened?

In short Apple has decided to leave iOS 9 with an unfixed bug 
that is

of minor inconvenience to many users, but which causes serious
problems for the visually impaired.  The bug means use of 
VoiceOver
corrupts voice dictation causing words to be repeated and 
jumbled.  It
is particularly bad in the Notification Center when quick 
replying to

messages.

Having been contacted by a number of visually impaired users, 
they
explained that the only workaround is hugely impractical.  They 
have to
turn off VoiceOver (which removes all audio navigational aids) 
turn on
dictation, speak, turn off dictation (all without guidance) then 
turn

VoiceOver back on.  For the visually

impaired VoiceOver is essential, but so too is voice dictation.

VoiceOver is crucial for visually impaired iPhone and iPad 
users, but
using it breaks voice dictation - an equally vital feature.  
Image

credit: Apple

For its part, Apple confirmed to me the bug is known but it was 
left
in iOS 9.3.4 and also in iOS 9.3.5 because it will be addressed 
in iOS

10 (and is

fixed in the latest public beta).  The problem is the iPhone 4S, 
iPad
Mini, iPad 3rd gen and iPod touch 5th gen are not entitled to 
iOS 10

upgrades so the

bug will remain and there will be little choice but to upgrade 
to new

hardware.

As such I believe that if Apple knows how to fix the bug, and 
iOS 10
shows it does, then the company should fix the bug for this 
generation

of devices

which will be stranded on iOS 9.  Technology has long had an 
obsession

with looking forwards (and the

iPhone's future is very exciting) but in this case I would 
strongly

urge Apple to also respect the past.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On

Behalf Of *Davy Cuppens
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:05 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.3 is now public

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard that Ios 10.3 is the latest 
one
before ios11 comes out around Indian summer this year.  Maybe 
one small

safety update or so but no major ios10 upgrade anymore

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re: An IOS Game To Check Out

[rajmund]

Hi,
Apparently, though, this game will not run on any future versions 
of IOS, though.  Has anyone else received the message, and if 
yes, for any other apps?


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From: "MamaPeach" I just received notification that a game that I have been wanting 
has been reduced in price from $9.99 to Free.  I am playing it 
right now and it seems to be all done with sound and swipes.  
Check it out and see what you think while the price is still 
free.  It is called Inquisitor's Heartbeat.


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Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.

[rajmund]

HMM, really weird.  If Alex sounds bad, either, it's time for 
apple accessibility.  Before you do, though, what's the story 
like before you plug in headsets?


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From: "Jim" It does indeed.  It does not matter if I use Alex, or the Daniel 
UK voice,
or even any of the Australian voices, or the Seri voices, they 
all sound
equally bad.  I've been using iPhones since the 3GS, and I have 
never seen
this.  Perhaps it might be time to give the Apple Accessibility 
team a call.


Regards.
Jim.
MI0JPC.
-Original Message-
From: rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.

Hi,
So if you for instance, download, Alex, for testing purposes, and
change to US on the rotor, and put Alex as the US voice, does it
still sound bad?

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Re: VoicOver Help After Reset.

[rajmund]

Hi,
So if you for instance, download, Alex, for testing purposes, and 
change to US on the rotor, and put Alex as the US voice, does it 
still sound bad?


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- Original Message -
From: "Jim" I have English UK and American, but the speach is still rubbish 
whichever

one I select.




Regards.
Jim.
MI0JPC.
-Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: re: VoicOver Help After Reset.

Hi,
Have a language on yur rotor? Try adjusting it.

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re: VoicOver Help After Reset.

[rajmund]

Hi,
Have a language on yur rotor? Try adjusting it.

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From: "Jim" Recently I had to do a full reset as part of the unlocking 
process for my provider on my 6S.  I did my encrypted back before 
I started, then I signed out of everything, and proceeded with 
the reset.
When the phone came back on, I restored from my back up, and 
happily everything was there as it should, emails, text messages 
and passwords eccettra eccetttra, however, VoiceOver is terrible.  
I've tried downloading other voices, and everyone I've tried 
with the enhanced version of the voice, sound slightkly distorted 
and raspby.
I've been through the settings so many times, and I know I've 
missed something, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find 
what it is.
Can any kind soul please point me in the right direction?  Thank 
you for any help.


Regards.
Jim.
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Re: IOS 10.3 is now public

[rajmund]

Hi,
I, too, am glad, that that's been fixed.

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From: "Andy Baracco"  I like the fact that the email is opening in the body now, 
rather than the subject matter header or whatever you call it.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:47 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:





   I did have to delete the beta profile.
   The 10.3 release is quite a bit larger than the beta was.
   I literally just finished the update, so Other than the email 
opening in the body instead of the header, I cannot say what is 
different from 10.2.1.

   Richard



   On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Mary Otten  
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 Hi Sieghard,
 According to an article I saw today, I think it was in 
MacWorld or maybe 9 to 5 Mac, if you want to get the official 
10.3 release, you need to get rid of the beta profile on your 
phone or other device, and then restart your device, at which 
point, the official 10.3 release will show up as being available.  
I have not tried it yet, so I can't speak for it, but it makes 
sense.  Then of course, if you wanted to start using betas again 
when Ios 11 comes out, you would have to go through the process 
of getting the beta profile reinstalled.

 Mary



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 wrote:



   As the subject says, iOS 10.3 is now "public".

   I guess last week's public beta 7 is also the public 
release because I was running the public beta and I don't have 
an update today on my 6S Plus.  My wife who was on 10.2.1 with 
her 6S does have iOS 10..3 today.




   Regards,

   SieghardI don't



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   Is this a beta?



   Andy



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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com

 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:20 AM

 Subject: IOS 10.3 is now public



 Hi all,

 new public version of IOS is available.  You can find 
more information at
 
https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-ios-news/apple-releases-ios-1

03-bringing-number-voiceover-fixes-also-introducing-least

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Re: dice world wish

[rajmund]

I'm currently just below 1500.  It's harder to get gold nowadays, 
than it used to be.  Although if I had, say, 5 gold, I would 
probably
most likely not play bonus games.  And I would most likely be 
aware of that myself...  But I do see where you're coming from.

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From: "MamaPeach" But he runs out of gold during the game, not before the game.  
Just saying
that although one person may have over 7,000 gold as I do, not 
everyone has
that much and can run out in the middle of the game, so they 
cannot use the
bonus roles.  They can earn more gold by watching videos of 
course, but if
you forget to do that, and you are in a game using bonus rolls, 
and you
don't have gold, then you can't use them and the other person can 
use the
gold that they do have.  Yes, a bit unfair, but that is how it 
was set up.


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Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: dice world wish

Hi,
But in that case, if I know I don't have gold, I'd reject the
game...

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Re: dice world wish

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Hi,
But in that case, if I know I don't have gold, I'd reject the 
game...


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From: "MamaPeach" Yes, but for instance, I play my boyfriend and there are many 
times he has
run out of gold during our game and he cannot take advantage of 
the bonus
rolls until he earns more gold.  I still have gold so I can use 
the bonus
rolls.  If you do not have the gold available, you cannot pay the 
1 gold that

is needed to use a bonus roll.

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Subject: Re: dice world wish

Hello,
But if the game is accepted, you have the same amount of rolls.
I guess what I'm saying is, you either both have, or neither of
you have bonus.

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Re: dice world wish

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Hello,
But if the game is accepted, you have the same amount of rolls.  
I guess what I'm saying is, you either both have, or neither of 
you have bonus.


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From: "MamaPeach" You can only use bonus rolls if you have gold to use for them.  
If you have

no gold, you can not use any bonus rolls.

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Hi,
I'm not on an iDevice right now, but thought you can already do
that? Although I'm confused, whether bonus or not, both sides
still have the same amount of rolls...

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re: dice world wish

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Hi,
I'm not on an iDevice right now, but thought you can already do 
that? Although I'm confused, whether bonus or not, both sides 
still have the same amount of rolls...


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From: Rebecca Ilniski One wish I have for Dice World is the ability to refuse all bonus 
games in settings.  This way you don't have to reject them all 
the time.  I always prefer non-bonus games because not everyone 
has a ton of bonus that they can use plus I think it keeps it 
equal as everyone gets the same amount of rolls so from now on I 
will be refusing all bonus games.


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Re: Naming my phone

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hi,
try settings, general, about.

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On 26/03/17 3:23 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:

My iPhone is called "mom 2010", because I am Mom and I got my first one
in 2010.  Replacements have continued to call themselves Mom2010.  I
would like to name it Ann, I think. How would I explain to the phone
that I am Ann, not Mom 2010?  I dont want to rebuild everything to
change it internally.  I don't mind if stupid iTunes calls me Mom2010.
But I would like VoiceOver and Siri to call it Ann.  Can I do this?

Thanks,

Ann (not Mom2010)


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Re: Special request

[rajmund]

Hi,
I'll play anything and everything, bonus or not, look for braille0109.

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> On 25 Mar 2017, at 11:53 pm, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> 
> I don't care for bonus games either. I play all the games except pig. My two 
> favorites are Balut and Yatzzy. My username is applegirl1994
> 
> Rebecca and Zeb
> email: rilni...@gmail.com
> 
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 7:44 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
> 
> My user name is MamaPeach 67. I play everything, except Pig. I don’t really 
> like to play bonus games, I find it more challenging by not using bonus 
> rolls. My two favorite games are Farkle and Balut, but I will accept 
> challenges for 5 out of the 6 games on Dice World.
>  
> From: Joney
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Special request
>  
> I play you! And you beat me… Often. :-) I'm Joney 595, for those who wish to 
> play. I play anything. I lose most, but I have fun.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it,
> He will lead you through it." 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Louise Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi can you repost her user name as I enjoy three’s also and will play pig 
>> sometimes.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am herclouise for anyone to ask to play games also and I also enjoy 1, 4 
>> 24 and farcol
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Louise and princess Kiara
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Joney
>> Sent: March 25, 2017 1:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Special request
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> She has been so pleased that someone is playing her. You guys have made her 
>> day. She was getting tired of beating Grammy. :-)
>> 
>> Joney
>> 
>> talk2o...@gmail.com
>> 
>> "If God can bring you to it,
>> 
>> He will lead you through it." 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 3:56 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I feel for her. I know I go crazy when I don’t have internet. Looking 
>> forward to her return. She is beating the socks off me right now in 3’s.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Joney
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:54 PM
>> 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Special request
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Yes. She is all right. She is at her other grandmothers house. She doesn't 
>> have Internet there, so she can't play. She severely pouting. You should 
>> hear from her tomorrow evening. :-) Spring break will be over then
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joney
>> 
>> talk2o...@gmail.com
>> 
>> "If God can bring you to it,
>> 
>> He will lead you through it." 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 3:24 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joney,
>> Just wondering if your granddaughter is okay. You asked us to play with her, 
>> but she isn't taking her turn. Just wanting to make sure she was okay.
>> 
>> On 20/03/17 10:09 PM, Joney wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I have a special request for those who play Dice World. Could some of
>> 
>> you, who enjoy playing pig, and threes, I have my granddaughter to your
>> 
>> list? We're trying to get her some players, and haven't found anybody
>> 
>> but me that she plays with. I would thank you very much for your
>> 
>> assistance here. She's a smart seven-year-old who's wanting to play and
>> 
>> enjoys it.Dicer1989376 :-)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joney
>> 
>> talk2o...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> "If God can bring you to it,
>> 
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Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

[rajmund]

hi,
yep, I've seen yours after sending mine. yes, a sim converter, or 
someone with a sim, even if that sim is not  activated,as long as the 
sim is in the case, it will activate absolutely fine


Sent from Thunderbird

On 25/03/17 10:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I did suggest his, but the 4 uses a Micro SIM and I think maria has an iPhone 6 
as her main phone which uses a Nano SIM. She would have to find an adapter and 
buy it and while I am sure it is not an expensive item it is still something 
she would have to find and buy. Trying to find somebody who has a phone with a 
Micro SIM and to use it might be easier.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

hi,
I'm generally surprised no one has thought of this. put the sim in from your 
other  phone till you set it up, once on the home screen of the 4, switch the 
cards back.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 25/03/17 11:34 AM, Mária Orovčíková wrote:

Helo list,

thank you very much for your suggestions.

Just to make things clear, I want to setup the phone and use it like
Ipod or Ipad. I mean I would like to be able to check FB, Twitter,
play games, listen to music, browse internet etc. I do not need to
make phone cals, text messages..., so I believe a sim card is not needed in 
this case.

But no matter wat I do, it says it needs a valid sim card to activate
the phone.

When I plug the phone to my laptop and launch ITunes, it says
something
like: "This connected device does not have a valid sim card. Enter a
valid sim card.".

I pressed "Home" button and I got emergency cal option; once I hit
"Cancel" button, the screen saying I need a valid simcard appears again.
I hope it makes sense now.
Thank you very much for your help in advance.
Have a wonderful weekend.
With kind regards,
Maria
On 24. 3. 2017 23:17, Marie wrote:

Yes I have an old IPhone 4 which I have set up the same. I was only
pointing out that setup and activation are two separate things. And I
was unaware that a sim card was required to do the setup process.

-Original Message- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 2:59 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

Well setting it up I have a phone here I have set up all through
iTunes and everything the only things I can’t currently do are call
and do MMS messages which are text messages.



On Mar 24, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Marie  wrote:

I did not know that the sim card was needed in this instance.
However her question was about activating the phone and that means
you must have a number and a carrier to activate it. Apparently she
was mistakenly talking about setup.
Marie


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

Hi Marie,

If a device is reset and you are at the initial screen which says
"swipe to setup" you must have a SIM card installed otherwise you
cannot complete the setup. Once it is setup you can take the SIM
card out and it is no problem, but you do need it initially.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

You do not need to activate the phone to use it as an IPod. The
activation is only for the phone service. You just need to sign in
with your Apple ID so you can use or buy apps. You can do IMessaging
to others with I devices whenever you are connected to the internet.
Marie


-Original Message-
From: Mária Orovčíková
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

Hello list,
I have Iphone 4 which stil has pretty decent battery, so I would
like to use it as Ipod.
I don't have a sim card for activating the phone and I haven't found
any other option to activate it.
I tried Itunes, but it keeps saying I need a valid Sim card.
Please, is there a way how to activate Iphone without a sim card?
I don't want to use it for phone calls, I have Iphone 6 for that.
Thank you very much for your help.
With kind regards,
Maria

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Re: Special request

[rajmund]

hi,
I was playing pig, didn't notice that I'be banked 90, and she didn't 
rematch me


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On 25/03/17 7:56 PM, MamaPeach wrote:

Oh I feel for her. I know I go crazy when I don’t have internet. Looking
forward to her return. She is beating the socks off me right now in 3’s.

*From:* Joney 
*Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:54 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Special request

Hi:
Yes. She is all right. She is at her other grandmothers house. She
doesn't have Internet there, so she can't play. She severely pouting.
You should hear from her tomorrow evening. :-) Spring break will be over
then

Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com 
"If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it."

On Mar 25, 2017, at 3:24 PM, MamaPeach mailto:mamape...@charter.net>> wrote:


Hi Joney,
Just wondering if your granddaughter is okay. You asked us to play
with her, but she isn't taking her turn. Just wanting to make sure she
was okay.

On 20/03/17 10:09 PM, Joney wrote:


Hi all:
I have a special request for those who play Dice World. Could some of
you, who enjoy playing pig, and threes, I have my granddaughter to your
list? We're trying to get her some players, and haven't found anybody
but me that she plays with. I would thank you very much for your
assistance here. She's a smart seven-year-old who's wanting to play and
enjoys it.Dicer1989376 :-)


Joney
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Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

[rajmund]

hi,
I'm generally surprised no one has thought of this. put the sim in from 
your other  phone till you set it up, once on the home screen of the 4, 
switch the cards back.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 25/03/17 11:34 AM, Mária Orovčíková wrote:

Helo list,

thank you very much for your suggestions.

Just to make things clear, I want to setup the phone and use it like
Ipod or Ipad. I mean I would like to be able to check FB, Twitter, play
games, listen to music, browse internet etc. I do not need to make phone
cals, text messages..., so I believe a sim card is not needed in this case.

But no matter wat I do, it says it needs a valid sim card to activate
the phone.

When I plug the phone to my laptop and launch ITunes, it says something
like: "This connected device does not have a valid sim card. Enter a
valid sim card.".

I pressed "Home" button and I got emergency cal option; once I hit
"Cancel" button, the screen saying I need a valid simcard appears again.
I hope it makes sense now.
Thank you very much for your help in advance.
Have a wonderful weekend.
With kind regards,
Maria
On 24. 3. 2017 23:17, Marie wrote:

Yes I have an old IPhone 4 which I have set up the same. I was only
pointing out that setup and activation are two separate things. And I
was unaware that a sim card was required to do the setup process.

-Original Message- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 2:59 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

Well setting it up I have a phone here I have set up all through
iTunes and everything the only things I can’t currently do are call
and do MMS messages which are text messages.



On Mar 24, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Marie  wrote:

I did not know that the sim card was needed in this instance. However
her question was about activating the phone and that means you must
have a number and a carrier to activate it. Apparently she was
mistakenly talking about setup.
Marie


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

Hi Marie,

If a device is reset and you are at the initial screen which says
"swipe to setup" you must have a SIM card installed otherwise you
cannot complete the setup. Once it is setup you can take the SIM card
out and it is no problem, but you do need it initially.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

You do not need to activate the phone to use it as an IPod. The
activation is only for the phone service. You just need to sign in
with your Apple ID so you can use or buy apps. You can do IMessaging
to others with I devices whenever you are connected to the internet.
Marie


-Original Message-
From: Mária Orovčíková
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please, I need help with activating Iphone

Hello list,
I have Iphone 4 which stil has pretty decent battery, so I would like
to use it as Ipod.
I don't have a sim card for activating the phone and I haven't found
any other option to activate it.
I tried Itunes, but it keeps saying I need a valid Sim card.
Please, is there a way how to activate Iphone without a sim card?
I don't want to use it for phone calls, I have Iphone 6 for that.
Thank you very much for your help.
With kind regards,
Maria

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Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[rajmund]

hi,
what happens if you tab around, till you find a tab control, and close 
the tab? it may be in the tree view. PS. remember, outLook is better, 
just because some say so LOL.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 6:57 PM, Lynn White wrote:

CCan someone please tell me how to get into the inbox of Thunderbird without 
having to read their release notes and all that?  I just want to use it like 
you could before the latest update.  Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:24 AM, rajmund  wrote:

i,
android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how much you 
customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the day, it's 
android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's not a matter of 
being able to use it or whether it's accessible.

Sent from Thunderbird


On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
*No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers
are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on
android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone.
I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot
of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something that
I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*

*I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using
internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what
ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed
automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not
with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able to install
apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular browser. Not
iTunes.*

*If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with
copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my
computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*

*If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need
to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my
phone and it is it.*

*I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using
jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*

*I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just
doesn’t exist or is very low.*

*Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In
United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is
because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you
are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when iPhones
used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true that android
wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and android user. I
like better android for many many reasons.*

* *

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pablo,



I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like
Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any
company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And
you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the multitude of
companies that make devices that run under Android. If you don't like
Apple's closed file system which seems to be working pretty well for
them based on their sales and current stock price, you should use an
Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. That's the way supply
and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.



Alan Lemly



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android
device. Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with
sd cards.

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with
everything, and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone
memory. With the story abour copy rights they have done very difficult
for users manage music between iPhones, or also between iPhone and other
devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to transfer music to our iPhones, but
use this app is really difficult for standard users. More over in
android devices you can store there documents of all types, you can
create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in our
computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons
why I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics
and different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money.
Android’s cult

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[rajmund]

LOL tempted to add this list into my pronunciation dictionary in the 
name of eyes-free. LOL.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 4:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became
active on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago.
Anyhow, I guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and
it sounds as if you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list
to join the Android side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such
good alternatives to iOS and the iPhone, without competition nobody
would be very motivated to do better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better
because it is not. It is simply different and Android appeals to some
people more than iOS and vice versa.



Regards,

Sieghard







*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p,
or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
thought.



Victor



*From:*Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to give
users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly
defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of
latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes
against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some
high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be
wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example
have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an
iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there
hardly is any space left as is and of course making a highly
waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more
difficult if

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[rajmund]

and here we go.isn't the high end android the same price as an apple, 
anyway?


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 1:51 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p,
or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
thought.



Victor



*From:*Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to give
users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly
defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of
latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes
against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some
high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be
wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example
have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an
iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there
hardly is any space left as is and of course making a highly
waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more
difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no
problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that
nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the
space) for $100 more.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Victor Gouveia
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not
with the memory it’s offering.



I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s
got an expansion slot for an SD card.



Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this
concept, sin

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[rajmund]

i,
android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how 
much you customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the 
day, it's android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's 
not a matter of being able to use it or whether it's accessible.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

*No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers
are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on
android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone.
I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot
of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something that
I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*

*I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using
internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what
ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed
automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not
with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able to install
apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular browser. Not
iTunes.*

*If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with
copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my
computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*

*If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need
to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my
phone and it is it.*

*I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using
jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*

*I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just
doesn’t exist or is very low.*

*Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In
United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is
because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you
are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when iPhones
used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true that android
wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and android user. I
like better android for many many reasons.*

* *

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pablo,



I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like
Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any
company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And
you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the multitude of
companies that make devices that run under Android. If you don't like
Apple's closed file system which seems to be working pretty well for
them based on their sales and current stock price, you should use an
Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. That's the way supply
and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.



Alan Lemly



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android
device. Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with
sd cards.

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with
everything, and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone
memory. With the story abour copy rights they have done very difficult
for users manage music between iPhones, or also between iPhone and other
devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to transfer music to our iPhones, but
use this app is really difficult for standard users. More over in
android devices you can store there documents of all types, you can
create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in our
computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons
why I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics
and different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money.
Android’s culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to
control so much what we do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do
what ever you want, and more important, in a very easy way.





*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled g

Re: Conquering Spam

[rajmund]

hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
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On 21/03/17 7:59 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn wrote:

What are others doing to reduce Spam on their iPhones?



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Re: Special request

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Hi All,
braille0109 is my username, and I'll play absolutely anything and 
everything.  Feel free to challenge me as well, while you're at 
it.


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- Original Message -
From: "MamaPeach" If she ever gets into playing any other games, let me know.  I 
play

everything but Pig.

-Original Message-
From: Jessica |M
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Special request

Strange, it came up for me just fine, but that was maybe an hour 
or so ago.


At 08:25 PM 3/20/2017, you wrote:
I tried searching for Dicer1989376 and keep getting an error.  It 
says there

was an error with this transaction.

-Original Message- From: rajmund
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Special request

hi,
please remember they can always use the game cue, for the 
particular

games.  having said that, I just sent off a pig challenge.

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Re: Special request

[rajmund]

hi,
please remember they can always use the game cue, for the particular 
games. having said that, I just sent off a pig challenge.


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but me that she plays with. I would thank you very much for your
assistance here. She's a smart seven-year-old who's wanting to play and
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Re: How Do You Delete An App Now?

[Rajmund]

Hi,
And if you're on an iPad, to my knowledge, the email bug is not fixed, so you 
may wish to stay on IOS9, just  to be able to use the  iPad for mail, like I 
have. So far, I still find that all apps work just fine. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:21 pm
Subject: RE: How Do You Delete An App Now?

>
>
> Yes, this was introduced in iOS 10 and in my opinion there is no longer a 
> reason to be on iOS 9, but that is just my opinion.
> Actually, right now if you still are on 9 and if you do a lot of email you 
> could wait another week or two until 10.3 is released since in iOS 10 a bug 
> was introduced which put focus on the beginning of an email when you opened 
> it instead of the beginning of the message body.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How Do You Delete An App Now?
>  
> On the subject of moving an app, I do not have an actions option in the rotor 
> when the focus is an icon. I would like to move a couple of apps to a folder 
> and wanted to try this way. I am using iOS 9 point something and wondered if 
> this is the problem and do I have to upgrade to 10. Thanks for any help.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 14, 2017, at 2:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> It does for me, but a simpler method is to simply swipe down or up on the app 
> with one finger, Voiceover will say "Arrange Apps". Now just double tap, 
> swipe up or down one more time and Voiceover will say "Activate", double tap 
> on that and you'll be prompted whether you want to delete..
> Keep in mind that for the Arrange Apps option to come up your rotor must be 
> on "Actions", if you manually turned it to something else you may have to put 
> it back there.
> The other option in Arrange Apps is "Move" which is followed by the app name. 
> This is now also how you move apps, no more double tap and hold and then 
> dragging the finger around. This was difficult for some people and even for 
> those who mastered it it was sometimes hit and miss.
> Now just double tap on "Move", then touch where you want the app like before 
> or after another app or in a folder and use the rotor again (swipe up or 
> down) to select if you want to insert the app before the app you are on, 
> after or if you want to create a folder with the app you are on. If you put 
> focus on a folder you have options to insert the app before, after or of 
> course you can drop it in the folder.
>  
> Lastly, you can still activate "moving" mode with a double tap and hold 
> instead of using the Arrange Apps rotor option. However, if you have an 
> iPhone model which has 3D Touch you have to be very careful that you put 
> absolutely no pressure on the second tap and hold, if you push it will 
> activate 3D Touch.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> G. Stoodley
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 6:11 PM
> To: viph...@googlegroups..com
> Subject: How Do You Delete An App Now?
>  
> Can someone advise me how to delete on the iPhone a downloaded app I no 
> longer want. Double tap and hold seems no longer to bring up the delete 
> option.
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Re: capslock issue?

[Rajmund]

Hi,
That if you swipe on your caps lock key? Or what if you enable voice over 
hints? Does it say anything additional?



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- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: capslock issue?

>
>
> 
> 
> Hi
> The problem is that in my keyboard layout I do not have the shift key.
> 
> only capslock.
> 
> Thank you friend
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> as 17:11 de 13/03/2017, rajmund escreveu:
> > Hi,
> > Try swiping up on the shift key, then double tap on caps lock, when you 
> > hear it...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from an iPad Air
> >
> >> On 13 Mar 2017, at 3:13 pm, Tom Rash  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm guessing here.  Is it double tap and hold the shift key?
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of Mário Gabriel
> >> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:54 AM
> >> To: iphone grupo 
> >> Subject: capslock issue?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the 
> >> letters in uppercase?
> >>
> >> This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.
> >>
> >> In standard mode, and in professional mode.
> >>
> >> I can only select the capslock once per letter.
> >> the question is:
> >> How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.
> >>
> >> My keyboard layout is from portugal.
> >>
> >> My layout does not have the shift key.
> >>
> >> Is this a bug?
> >>
> >> Is this also an issue for all?
> >>
> >> Some tips?
> >>
> >> cheers.
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Re: capslock issue?

[rajmund]

Hi,
Try swiping up on the shift key, then double tap on caps lock, when you hear 
it...




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 13 Mar 2017, at 3:13 pm, Tom Rash  wrote:
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> I'm guessing here.  Is it double tap and hold the shift key?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Gabriel
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:54 AM
> To: iphone grupo 
> Subject: capslock issue?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the letters 
> in uppercase?
> 
> This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.
> 
> In standard mode, and in professional mode.
> 
> I can only select the capslock once per letter.
> the question is:
> How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.
> 
> My keyboard layout is from portugal.
> 
> My layout does not have the shift key.
> 
> Is this a bug?
> 
> Is this also an issue for all?
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> Some tips?
> 
> cheers.
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Re: Sender name on posts

[rajmund]

Those are GMAIL, not googleMail. It's googleMail only, not GMAIL. I can do some 
research for the cause, but I do know it's only certain providers.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 13 Mar 2017, at 7:29 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> I see lots of gmail addresses and all sorts of other addresses so I'm not 
> sure what this has to do with it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> rajmund
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sender name on posts
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> Hi,
> This is due to the fact that she uses something like yahoo!, or google mail.  
> In short of changing the domain, and or provider, there's nothing she can 
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> From: Sieghard Weitzel  To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  Mar 2017 20:27:36 +
> Subject: RE: Sender name on posts
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> 
> You should try to figure out why your messages don't display your email 
> address like all the others.  Marie's message says:
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marie  
> Your messages say this:
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
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> 
> Also, all messages where the sender's email is displayed in the "From" field 
> I can use the Jaws 18 key combination Jaws 
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re: Skype Accessible?

[rajmund]

Hi,
Can't speak to windows, but yes, it works just fine on IOS.  In 
fact, for me, as of recently, it's better than it ever was in the 
history of IOS10.  I don't know if it's to do with my beta or 
not, so better not say.


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From: "Evan Reese" I have an iPad Mini 4 that I really like.  I seem to recall 
hearing a while back that Skype was very accessible with 
VoiceOver on iOS devices.  Is this true or is my memory suffering 
from wishful thinking.
I want to switch from my laptop Skype using Window Eyes, which is 
giving me a good deal of frustration.  I'll switch to using it 
on my iPad Mini if it works better.

Thanks much.
Evan

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RE: Sender name on posts

[rajmund]

Hi,
This is due to the fact that she uses something like yahoo!, or 
google mail.  In short of changing the domain, and or provider, 
there's nothing she can do


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From: Sieghard Weitzel You should try to figure out why your messages don't display 
your email address like all the others.  Marie's message says:
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Marie 

Your messages say this:
From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]


Also, all messages where the sender's email is displayed in the 
"From" field I can use the Jaws 18 key combination Jaws 
Key+Shift+R to respond directly to the sender instead of to the 
list.  In your case since no email is listed that also sends a 
reply to the list.  Jaws says "replying directly to sender", 
but it then shows the viphon email address.


Regards,
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Re: Sender name on posts

[rajmund]

Hi,
I see Marie.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

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> I wonder why my posts to this list  show up as from my email address rather 
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Re: Message addressing problem

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Hi,Settings, phone, send and receive xx addresses, and make sure the phone is 
not set to start new conversations from your own number. Do this on the phone, 
where you wish this behaviour to be stopped. HTH... 




Sent from an iPad Air

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> Yes, since both iPhones are mine they are on the same account in every way 
> other than separate numbers.
>> 
>> - Uncle Bill, The “Old Fart”   ;-) 
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Re: Message addressing problem

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Hi,
Are the 2 phones, by any chance, sharing apple IDS?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

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> I have two iPhones, I am letting my niece use one. The problem began 
> yesterday when one of her friends thought that her number was what is in fact 
> my number. In other words, my nieces friend thought she was texting to my 
> niece when she was texting to me.
> 
> No, when I attempt to text to my niece it comes back to me instead. Although 
> I put her name in the contact, it is in fact my number thank you it's rolled 
> it. Does anybody have any idea how to correct this?
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re: Changing native mail sorting?

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Hi,
Unfortunately, you're correct.  I, too, wish, for such a setting.

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From: Jenifer Barr I know you can sort by thread, but can we change the order of 
email...  from descending  to ascending? I don't think so...  but 
just wanted to check.

Jen



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Re: having a problem, with the app store, here in the UK

[rajmund]

hi,
iPhone 5s in the UK, no issues with the search tab here.

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On 01/03/17 9:20 PM, Judy Pryor wrote:

Hi Dave,
Yes I have had the same problem. Like you I have got the link from
elsewhere.
Judy

On 1 Mar 2017, at 19:38, Dave mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi, as the subject line says, i have been having a problem, with the
search tab, in the app store.

I have been having this particular issue, on and off, for a couple of
weeks or so.

When i search for an app, it will say, in progress and if i swipe, it
says loading.

This doesn’t happen all the time, but it seems to becoming, more
Frequent of late.

I have tried rebooting my Device, which is an iPhone 6s, but it
doesn’t make any difference.

I have got friends, to iMessage me the link, from their phones, and it
works fine.

All the apps, are available, in the UK app store.

Anyone else having the same problem, or can offer any advice?

Many thanks,

Dave.


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Re: How many gB is my phone?

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hello,
settings, about.

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I don’t remember how many gB my iPhone 5S is.  How do I find out on the
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Re: automatic app updates?

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hi,
I don't turn them on, either, simply, and you've said it as well, it's 
nice to know what you're pudating. and on the iPad, thanks to you guys, 
I didn't update my dropbox. but am pretty sure the original poster was 
looking for this setting.


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Though I don't use automatic updates either, note that if you turn it
on in iTunes and App Store settings, it will effect all apps--free or
paid. Since accessibility can be affected by app udpates, as Richard
described with DropBox, and since I like to know what is updated and
decide from there, I have not enabled this setting.

Wayne

On 2/28/17, rajmund  wrote:

Hi,
Settings, iTunes app store, and turn on updates.

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Re: automatic app updates?

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Hi,
Settings, iTunes app store, and turn on updates.

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From: Richard Turner I did not know that free apps didn't update automatically, but 
then again, I do not use automatic updates.
Case in point, Dropbox seriously broke their app with the last 
update.
Fortunately, I had not synced my phone with my computer and was 
able to delete the broken Dropbox and get an earlier version off 
my computer.
Perhaps someone who uses automatic updates can address your issue 
more directly.

Richard


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Re: A question

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Hi,
It is what you guys, in the USA know as a period / dot. I call it a full stop, 
too:

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> Full stop? What is that.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner  To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  Date sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:29:48 +
> Subject: Re: A question
> 
> This is a dictated answer.  I have use the word.  After every sentence.
> You will notice there was a word missing in the second sentence that's where 
> I said the word, period.
> I had to type that last word in.
> 
> I'm back to typing.
> I am in the US, and the term "full stop" also ends up putting in the 
> punctuation mark instead of the words.
> So, I'm not sure why you are not getting the punctuation.
> Are you pausing before saying period?
> Richard
> 
> 
> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." - Terry Pratchett
> 
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Dana Leet  wrote:
> 
> I check in settings, and it did definitely say to me that I have it set on 
> English period not really sure what is going on but every time I speak and I 
> finish a sentence it does not put the period in for me period when I say, it 
> works perfectly when I say? The same but I don't understand what the world is 
> going on so we will have to find out and I hope it works out somehow.  Period
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 25, 2017, at 11:08 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
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> This is going to sound weird, but does it work when you say full stop? If so, 
> you may have your region set to another English type other than US English.  
> You may want to check on this.  You can check on this if you open the 
> settings app, then tap on general, then on language and region.  It should 
> work fine if you pick "English, English" at the top.  That's what I have mine 
> set to, and periods are rendered correctly for me when dictating.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Dana Leet  wrote:
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> I have a question every time I dictate on my phone and I say the word period 
> instead of my phone actually putting a punctuation mark other period it 
> spells out the word period period why would you do this can someone help? 
> Every other punctuation mark I write works perfectly, however periods always 
> end up not being a punctuation mark but the actual littoral word does anyone 
> have a solution or know why this would do this?
> 
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Re: Free iphone 7

[rajmund]

hi,
I tried it with firefox on windows, clicking the link on the page, takes 
me to google. I don't think it's true.


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The link that you shared takes one to a website with an web address that
looks similar to blogger (blogspot.com ) with the
exception of there being a symbol in front of the website address. I use
blogger for my family blog & this symbol before the users blogspot web
address is subspicious to me & nothing I have seen used before on
blogger. The link that one is asked to click on, if one types the web
address into the web address field of a browser one is taken to a
Chinese website of some sort. I'm NOT going to click on the link from
the blogspot web posting because up to this point I have concerns that
there may be a virus of some kind. Besides, thinking logically, why
would Apple or some one unaffilliated with a well known business just
hand out Free iPhone 7's??!

Donna


*Anyone tried this website? A friend of mine told me about it and he said*
*that he received a iphone 7 from them. Do they really give? Is there
anyone*
*who can post a review? I would really appreciate it.*
*http://bit.ly/2lB6AyY*

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Re: A few questions.

[rajmund]

Hi,
Slight correction. iPads can only be locked with the side switch, not through 
the control center. 

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> On 22 Feb 2017, at 7:53 pm, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi Shane,
> 
> To find out what's on your iPad, go to Settings, choose General, then Storage 
> & iCloud Usage. Choose Manage Storage to see a list of everything on your 
> iPad, with whatever is taking the most space listed first. You can delete 
> things from that screen by double-tapping them and choosing the Delete option.
> 
> To lock your iPad orientation, touch the status bar and flick up with three 
> fingers to open Control Center. You'll find the Lock Orientation control 
> there.
> 
> The About option in the General section of Settings gives you information 
> about the iOS version you are running. There is a model number there as well. 
> YOu could probably search for iPad followed by the model number online to 
> find out which generation it is.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
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>> Hello guys,
>> 
>> I don't post much on the list, but I do keep an ear out for different things 
>> going on in the iOS world. As of a few days ago, I picked up my iPad mini, 
>> and started trying to get familiarized with things again. While trying to do 
>> this, I think I've encountered a few questions that I thought I would share 
>> with y'all, and maybe you guys could help me out.
>> 
>> Firstly, my iPad is telling me that I have a capacity of 12 gigs available, 
>> but in actuality it's saying that I have about four point something gigs 
>> available. Where do I go to delete and see what all I have on here, and get 
>> rid of what I don't want anymore? I know I don't have any videos, I think I 
>> have about a gig of music, and the rest is just apps.
>> 
>> Secondly, where can I go to lock my screen in portrait mode? I now have my 
>> side switch set to unlock and lock the screen from portrait to landscape. 
>> However, I thought that there was a way that you could go and lock the 
>> screen without using the switch.
>> 
>> And finally, how can I see what generation of iPad mini I have? I think it's 
>> like a first or second generation, but I'm not sure. And whatever generation 
>> it is, for example if it is a first or second, are those still good iPads to 
>> have? I really don't want to upgrade, because I primarily use my phone as my 
>> every day device. I just figured I would pick up the iPad once again, and 
>> start using it a little, since I haven't used it in quite a while except for 
>> to DJ off of.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for all of your help, Shane.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: google voice

[rajmund]

hi Mark,
hangouts is certainly accessible. I use it for just over a year, and 
like it. it is better in terms of layout on android, but that is not an 
accessibility point, it's a personal view.


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Hello Jennifer,

It's good to learn that the Hangouts app for iOS is VoiceOver accessible.

I'll be honest, I only explored Hangouts when it was first launched and found 
it extremely confusing, for some reason.  That was several years ago.

I remember that when I set it up, it messed up my settings that I had 
configured on the web so I deleted it.

Now that the web version of both Hangouts and Google Voice are less strait 
forward, perhaps I'll give it another shot.

Thanks for confirming it's VoiceOver accessibility,

Mark

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jazzyjennifer
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: google voice

i use the google hang outs app. on my i phone. witch works  you can link your 
google number to hang outs. and you can go under the settings in hang outs. and 
set it up to recieve calls though hang outs. and you can set it up for text too

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Re: iOS 10.3 Public

[rajmund]

hi,
while I can't remember, one of us could easily figure out. since am in a 
rush, I can't, but typing when was IOS 9.3.0 released into google will 
get your answer.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 20/02/17 2:34 PM, Anthony Vece wrote:

Do you remember around what date it was released?
That would kind of give us a feel for when the new update becomes available.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!


On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:42 PM, rajmund  wrote:

Hi Guys,
Sorry chime in, but last year, 9.3 had 7 betas.  Considering we're on beta 2, 
unless something changed, this will still be a while, before anything happens.

Sent from a BrailleNote


- Original Message -
From: Anthony Vece  wrote:

We may not know when they release it, but I think it's a pretty safe guess to 
say it will be in the next 3-4 weeks.  10.3 is now on Beta 2 I think, I would 
assume beta 3 if there is a beta 3 will come out next week and while 10.2 had I 
think 5 or 6 betas I still believe 10.3 will be publically released at some 
point in March.  With 10.2 Apple I think twice released two betas in one week 
so the high number of betas doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be another 2 
months.
This is just based on having been an iOS user since 2009 and having observed 
how Apple does things for the last 8 years.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10.3 Public

We won't know until they release it.

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On Feb 18, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


Welcome Mike.
The reality is that no one knows when 10.3 will be released to the public, even 
those of us using the beta.
Apple keeps that very quiet.
I'm sure you will hear about it on this list.
Richard


On Feb 18, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mike B.   wrote:

Hi All,

I'm a new member to the group, & both my wife & myself use the SE iPhones, but we are fairly 
new at the smart phone thing.  I'm totally blind & my wife is sighted.  Anyways, we've stayed at 
iOS 9.33 because of all the various issues we've been hearing about from the 10.1 & 10.2 updates.  
Can anyone tell us when the 10.3 update will come out of Beta, & be released to the public.  Nice 
to meet y'all, & thank you very much for your input.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: vibration not working on silent

[rajmund]

Speaking of this, anyone noticed, that till the phone stops 
vibrating, unless you unmute the phone, and or it stops 
vibrating, you can't swipe to any of the buttons, whether that be 
reject or answer?


Sent from a BrailleNote


- Original Message -
From: Jed Barton I still have iphone 6, and if you go to setting, go to sounds, 
then go
to sound and vibration, you cn check to make sure it is 
something you

need to turn on.

also, I did suggest apple accessibility team to try to advice 
developers
about special updated version to put new volume such as strong 
vibration
or weak vibration as you can adjust as comfort you.  so I 
expalined to
the team that there are some people who have diabetes or other 
disorders
as they can't feel vibrations very good.  it is important for 
makign

easier to add strength of vibration.

I hope that you can notify apple accessiblity team to pass your 
view.


sincerely,
rich

-Original Message----- From: Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: vibration not working on silent

Hi,
And, while the phone is muted,  till it stops vibrating, you 
can't slide

to answer.



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  I think Apple needs to do a bunch of work around this and decide 
on
how to handle various scenarios.  I can confirm that when the 
mute
switch is on and somebody calls my phone does the one short 
vibration
and Voiceover announces the caller, but no vibration happens 
beyond
this.  Here is my further complaint: if you allow a caller to 
bypass Do

Not Disturb they also bypass mute, in other words if you open a
contact, go to the person's ringtone and turn on Emergency 
Bypass then
you hear all tones (text tones, ringtones etc.) if Mute is on 
but Do
Not Disturb is not on.  The explanation of Emergency Bypass is 
this
"Emergency bypass allows sounds and vibrations from this person 
even
if Do Not Disturb is on".  Of course I think this is great 
because you
may want certain people like close family membes to be able to 
reach
you even at night or when you are in a meeting, but at this 
point the
way it works means that the mute switch and Do Not Disturb 
basically
do the same thing.  I think that if I really want no ringtones 
or other

tones to come through then turning on mute should do this and it
should even mute those tones from people who have emergency 
bypass
turned on.  Alternatively, Apple could add a second setting to 
let you
decide separately if tones should come through when mute is on, 
by
default it should be off, but maybe there is one or two people 
who
should absolutely reach you no matter whether Do Not Disturb or 
mute

is on.
The other problem is that for those of us who have an Apple 
Watch the
watch obeys any setting you have for Do Not Disturb, if somebody 
calls
you where Emergency Bypass is not on for that person the call 
actually
goes straight to voice mail.  I guess in a way this is different 
from
Mute because if mute is on and somebody calls the caller will 
hear the
ringtone and only be passed on to voice mail once the 
appropriate
number of rings have passed.  Anyhow, the problem is that if you 
turn
on mute on the phone and somebody calls the Apple Watch still 
rings.
It's like it doesn't know that you put your phone on mute and I 
think
since it's connected to the phone at all times via bluetooth the 
phone
should tell the Apple Watch "Hey, the mute switch was just 
turned on,
so you also go to mute".  What good is it if you are in a 
meeting or at
church and you turn on mute, but then your Apple Watch rings 
anyways.
Also, it is important to note that this issue with no vibrations 
on
mute is a Voiceover bug.  If you put your phone on mute, then 
turn off
Voiceover with a triple click of the home button and then lock 
your

phone and call it the vibrations come through just fine.
I will definitely submit this to accessibility @applecom and as 
usual
the more of us who do this the more likely it is Apple will take 
this

seriously.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On

Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: vibration not working on silent

how did you end up reporting it, did you use an app?

On 2/18/2017 8:37 AM, Jennie Facer wrote:
I have the same issue.  I don't really understand it, but I have
reported it.  Hopefully they will fix it.
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Jed Barton mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, so i ahve a bit of an issue.  I'm running the latest IOS, 
and my
iphone 7.  When i go to put the vibrate switch on the side of 
the
phone, it did the same thing with my iphone 6.  when i get a 
call, i
feel a little pulse, and voiceover tells me who's calling.  If 

Re: iOS 10.3 Public

[rajmund]

Hi Guys,
Sorry chime in, but last year, 9.3 had 7 betas.  Considering 
we're on beta 2, unless something changed, this will still be a 
while, before anything happens.


Sent from a BrailleNote


- Original Message -
From: Anthony Vece Does anyone remember when or what was released around this time 
last year?



Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

On Feb 18, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  
wrote:


We may not know when they release it, but I think it's a pretty 
safe guess to say it will be in the next 3-4 weeks.  10.3 is now 
on Beta 2 I think, I would assume beta 3 if there is a beta 3 
will come out next week and while 10.2 had I think 5 or 6 betas I 
still believe 10.3 will be publically released at some point in 
March.  With 10.2 Apple I think twice released two betas in one 
week so the high number of betas doesn't necessarily mean it's 
going to be another 2 months.
This is just based on having been an iOS user since 2009 and 
having observed how Apple does things for the last 8 years.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Maria Reyes

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10.3 Public

We won't know until they release it.

Maria Reyes
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On Feb 18, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



Welcome Mike.
The reality is that no one knows when 10.3 will be released to 
the public, even those of us using the beta.

Apple keeps that very quiet.
I'm sure you will hear about it on this list.
Richard


On Feb 18, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mike B.   
wrote:


Hi All,

I'm a new member to the group, & both my wife & myself use the 
SE iPhones, but we are fairly new at the smart phone thing.  I'm 
totally blind & my wife is sighted.  Anyways, we've stayed at iOS 
9.33 because of all the various issues we've been hearing about 
from the 10.1 & 10.2 updates.  Can anyone tell us when the 10.3 
update will come out of Beta, & be released to the public.  Nice 
to meet y'all, & thank you very much for your input.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: vibration not working on silent

[Rajmund]

Hi,
And, while the phone is muted,  till it stops vibrating, you can't slide to 
answer.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

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From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:59 pm
Subject: RE: vibration not working on silent

>
>
> I think Apple needs to do a bunch of work around this and decide on how to 
> handle various scenarios. I can confirm that when the mute switch is on and 
> somebody calls my phone does the one short vibration and Voiceover announces 
> the caller, but no vibration happens beyond this. Here is my further 
> complaint: if you allow a caller to bypass Do Not Disturb they also bypass 
> mute, in other words if you open a contact, go to the person's ringtone and 
> turn on Emergency Bypass then you hear all tones (text tones, ringtones etc.) 
> if Mute is on but Do Not Disturb is not on. The explanation of Emergency 
> Bypass is this "Emergency bypass allows sounds and vibrations from this 
> person even if Do Not Disturb is on". Of course I think this is great because 
> you may want certain people like close family membes to be able to reach you 
> even at night or when you are in a meeting, but at this point the way it 
> works means that the mute switch and Do Not Disturb basically do the same 
> thing. I think that if I really want no ringtones or other tones to come 
> through then turning on mute should do this and it should even mute those 
> tones from people who have emergency bypass turned on. Alternatively, Apple 
> could add a second setting to let you decide separately if tones should come 
> through when mute is on, by default it should be off, but maybe there is one 
> or two people who should absolutely reach you no matter whether Do Not 
> Disturb or mute is on.
> The other problem is that for those of us who have an Apple Watch the watch 
> obeys any setting you have for Do Not Disturb, if somebody calls you where 
> Emergency Bypass is not on for that person the call actually goes straight to 
> voice mail. I guess in a way this is different from Mute because if mute is 
> on and somebody calls the caller will hear the ringtone and only be passed on 
> to voice mail once the appropriate number of rings have passed. Anyhow, the 
> problem is that if you turn on mute on the phone and somebody calls the Apple 
> Watch still rings. It's like it doesn't know that you put your phone on mute 
> and I think since it's connected to the phone at all times via bluetooth the 
> phone should tell the Apple Watch "Hey, the mute switch was just turned on, 
> so you also go to mute". What good is it if you are in a meeting or at church 
> and you turn on mute, but then your Apple Watch rings anyways.
> Also, it is important to note that this issue with no vibrations on mute is a 
> Voiceover bug. If you put your phone on mute, then turn off Voiceover with a 
> triple click of the home button and then lock your phone and call it the 
> vibrations come through just fine.
> I will definitely submit this to accessibility @applecom and as usual the 
> more of us who do this the more likely it is Apple will take this seriously.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jed Barton
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: vibration not working on silent
> 
> how did you end up reporting it, did you use an app?
> 
> On 2/18/2017 8:37 AM, Jennie Facer wrote:
> > I have the same issue. I don't really understand it, but I have 
> > reported it. Hopefully they will fix it.
> > Jenn
> >
> > Jenn and Kumi
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Jed Barton  > > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> OK, so i ahve a bit of an issue.  I'm running the latest IOS, and my 
> >> iphone 7.  When i go to put the vibrate switch on the side of the 
> >> phone, it did the same thing with my iphone 6.  when i get a call, i 
> >> feel a little pulse, and voiceover tells me who's calling.  If i'm 
> >> not paying attention i'll miss the call, as it doesn't do long 
> >> vibrates to indicate a ring.  Any ideas what's going on?  Anyone else seen 
> >> this?
> >>  It is set to vibrate, but it just does a quick pulse.  Any thoughts?
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Re: My off topic sail post thanks

[rajmund]

hi,
that's weird. all lists that I have been on so far, the moderators have 
been connected to the owners address, so that if someone sends something 
to the owner's address, both admins and mods will get a copy of it.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 17/02/17 3:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Rajmund,

Viphone+Owner would, as the name suggests, go to Cara who is the list owner.
Viphone+Moderator is meant to go to Mark who is the list moderator.
Email lists usually have emails for both owners and moderators and I assume 
it's probably just a setting that needs to be changed so the messages sent to 
these addresses don't also come to the list.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My off topic sail post thanks

hi,
think it should be viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com, hence it came here.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 16/02/17 7:10 PM, Mike Ulrich wrote:

Yes I got it, so I’d guess it went to the list too?



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ioana Gandrabur
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:49 PM
*To:* viphone+modera...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: My off topic sail post thanks



Very confused! I sent the below message by clicking on the address of
the moderator in the new  footnote of the viphone
emails: viphone+modera...@googlegroups.com

 it ended up in my viphone folder. Did this go to the list?



Thanks for clarifying.



Best,



Ioana

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur mailto:igandra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for not revoking posting privileges. I did try to ask
permission to post an other time a few weeks ago without any answer.
I used the online form on the google groups sight to contact the
owner. The moderator address was nowhere to be found. THanks for
updating it.

It should make it easier for me and others to respect the guide
lines of the list this way.

Best,

Iona


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Re: Test

[rajmund]

hi,
try owner instead of moderator.

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On 16/02/17 9:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Yes, I noticed that and just emailed Mark privately since I think that
totally defeats the purpose of having an address to contact the
moderator. If I want to ask permission to sell an item and the whole
list receives my request for permission along with what I am asking
permission for then everybody already knows I want to sell something. In
the same way I I want to send a private message to Mark because of a
concern I have about the behaviour of another list member then that
obviously should be private and confidental.

I assume Mark may have to change a setting so the messages sent to the
moderator email address don't also get posted to the list just like any
other post.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:18 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone+modera...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Test



Hi Sieghard. The whole list received that email.



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:11 PM
*To:* viphone+modera...@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Test



Hi Mark,



Just curious whether this works and you get this email. Years ago this
official address for the moderator was listed, but I could never sent
messages to it, they always came back as failed.



Regards,

Sieghard



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Re: Test

[rajmund]

hi,
well, it came to the list.

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On 16/02/17 9:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mark,



Just curious whether this works and you get this email. Years ago this
official address for the moderator was listed, but I could never sent
messages to it, they always came back as failed.



Regards,

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Re: My off topic sail post thanks

[rajmund]

hi,
think it should be viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com, hence it came here.

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On 16/02/17 7:10 PM, Mike Ulrich wrote:

Yes I got it, so I’d guess it went to the list too?



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Behalf Of *Ioana Gandrabur
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:49 PM
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*Subject:* Re: My off topic sail post thanks



Very confused! I sent the below message by clicking on the address of
the moderator in the new  footnote of the viphone
emails: viphone+modera...@googlegroups.com

 it ended up in my viphone folder. Did this go to the list?



Thanks for clarifying.



Best,



Ioana

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On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur mailto:igandra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for not revoking posting privileges. I did try to ask
permission to post an other time a few weeks ago without any answer.
I used the online form on the google groups sight to contact the
owner. The moderator address was nowhere to be found. THanks for
updating it.

It should make it easier for me and others to respect the guide
lines of the list this way.

Best,

Iona


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Re: Onscreen keyboard won't appear on iPhone 7

[rajmund]

hi,
updating won't help you. while I don't have a suggestion updating won't 
magically restore the keyboard. you could try erasing and restoring, but 
you can do that without updating, so you should be good to, assuming 
you're willing to do it.


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Hi all,

Yesterday I began having a problem with the onscreen keyboard on my
iPhone 7 running iOS10.1. The keyboard will not appear no matter what
I do. So far I have tried the following to solve the problem:

Rebooted the phone.
Performed a hard reset.
Reset network settings.
Turned Bluetooth on and off.
Made the phone forget all Bluetooth keyboards then repaired.

None of these actions has restored my onscreen keyboard. Does anyone
have any other ideas short of installing the latest iOS? I haven't
wanted to update because of a mail bug that is a deal-breaker for me.
The bug is fixed in the beta cycle and I was trying to hang on until
the beta goes into production. So if I can avoid updating I would like
to.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.




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Re: PC's versus smart phones [WAS was Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC"]

[rajmund]

they use windows, and with windows, they buy office, which includes 
outlook. there are so many better clients out there, than outlook. I'd 
go off topic, if I started saying how NVDA reads all headers before 
getting to the message list, but, anyway.


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On 08/02/17 2:16 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Sure Chris, Probably it is why companies and people use outlook instead and 
iPhone.


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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PC's versus smart phones [WAS was Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad 
Mini to a Windows PC"]


I can download email significantly faster on my iPhone or iPod Touch 6 than I 
can on my Windows 10 64 bit laptop running Outlook 2016.
Plus, the threading on the Apple devices is so far superior than with Outlook, 
I can manage hundreds of emails far easier on the Apple devices.
The use of threading is also why I ask people to start a new thread when they 
want to change topics in a thread. Like the thread that started out about 
getting pictures off an iPad mini, than soon became a thread about handling 
emails on computers VS iPhones.
Once I decide I'm done with a thread, I stop opening the individual messages 
and just delete the thread.
Or, when it is clear that a thread has been taken off topic, I just delete the 
thread.
Saves tons of time.
And, while offices are not going to stop using computers, I use my iPhone a ton 
when I'm out of the office to update my calendar, write up reports, etc. Then 
when I get back to the office, I can get my work done very quickly.
I could go on and on, but won't.
For some, the iPhone iPod, iPad are a secondary device, but for me it is equal 
if not a little ahead of the computer.
I will always turn to the computer for audio editing, but almost everything 
else, I can do as effectively on my Apple devices.
Richard



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On Feb 7, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

First of all, no where did I say that you said we can't handle emails on our 
smart phones. You don't want to be taken out of context, so please extend that 
courtesy to others on the list as well.

In fact, what you did say, and I quote, is "... with a computer you will be doing 
the same thing in seconds, instead hours." All I said in my email, which you can 
read below, is that this is an exaggeration and is only your experience and your opinion.

If you can read, reply to, file and delete a hundred message on your PC in a 
few seconds then that's great, and you are infinitely more proficient with 
email on your PC than I am. On the other hand if it takes you hours to read, 
reply to, move and delete a hundred emails on your smart phone then you're 
either doing some complicated email formatting like Seeghard describes, or I'm 
a lot more proficient when it comes to handling email on a smart phone then you 
are.

In fact, there are some tasks I prefer to do on my iPhone. For example, if I'm 
going to read, delete and move a bunch of emails at work, I'll do that on my 
iPhone before I'll do that in Outlook on my PC. I just find that Outlook with 
JAWS or NVDA just doesn't handle threading as eel as the Mail app does on the 
iPhone. If I were also talking about replying to and writing emails then yes, 
I'm going to go to my PC first. Also, if I were comparing the Mail app on my 
iPhone to Thunderbird with Orca on Linux, then I'd take that combination on my 
PC over the iPhone, but that's not an option for me at the job.

I agree that doing some things, such as content generation, is generally more 
efficient on a PC than on a smart phone, but a lot of things related to content 
consumption is just as easy if not easier on a tablet or smart phone. My 
problem with your statement is that you're making wild exaggerations, you're 
stating your opinion as fact and you're not providing any use cases or details 
about what you're doing that's so much more efficient on your PC.

I also don't agree that your smart phone or tablet is a supplementary device. 
It may be in your case, and that's fine. I know plenty of people though who use 
a tablet now as their primary device, and yes that is in an office setting. I'm 
not there yet, but it isn't because mobile devices don't have the necessary 
computing power. It has to do more with the state of the apps, their 
accessibility, and keyboard support. Convertible devices are also blurring the 
distinction between mobile devices and laptops, and there's no reason to think 
this trend won't continue. Look at the specs of your high end smart phones and 
the specs you need on your PC to accomplish the same tasks. The deltas have 
shrunk incredibly over the last few years, if they even exist at all any more.

You can re