Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

[CHELA Robles]

Here are my thoughts.
I think it’s fine to look at photos with them, but it would be great to know 
how many people are in the photos now whether it’s a man or a woman, it doesn’t 
really matter to me as long as I can figure out what the faces actually look 
like or at least try to find a particular photo which I actually did find 
before they went ahead and changed everything. I wanted to find a photo of me 
personally looking at all the instruments on top of this wall that has cork 
patterns. It’s really really cool and voiceover just says  Woman, spotlight, 
trumpet, saxophone and that’s about it but what it did say with be, my AI was a 
lot more descriptive. It actually described what I was wearing and the color of 
my hair and that I was actually wearing glasses and was feeling various 
instruments and it started to name some instruments, and then it said  That 
there were cork patterns from wine bottles and this was the one I really wanted 
to know about because I wanted to share it with a particular person and they 
thought it was really cool that I was able to locate it successfully on my own. 
And that was just my camera roll and my camera roll has a lot of photos. 
Obviously I wouldn’t want it to say oh look this is Chela Robles that would be 
a little creepy. It would also be creepy if it found out that I was straight 
and not a lesbian. I mean it wouldn’t technically know, but I’m just saying…
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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:54 PM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
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> My feeling is that a sighted person can take a photo and then see the face, 
> whether or not the person gave their permission. These apps as far as I know 
> won't identify people, merely describe them, so what is wrong with that?
> Alison
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> If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
> Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I get it that 
> many people don't want to have their face recognized and I don't think blind 
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RE: seeing AI and facial recognition

[CJ & AA MAY]

My feeling is that a sighted person can take a photo and then see the face, 
whether or not the person gave their permission. These apps as far as I know 
won't identify people, merely describe them, so what is wrong with that?
Alison


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If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I get it that many 
people don't want to have their face recognized and I don't think blind 
people's right to have faces recognized trumps the public's rights not to have 
theirs recognized.


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RE: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Richard Turner]

Did you not read the subject line?
This thread is about Seeing AI.




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Subject: Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

Unless the discussion has morphed in a direction I'm not aware of, the subject 
was the Be my AI feature in Be My Eyes. If a photo contains a face,, Be My AI 
will not describe the picture at all, apologetically, of course. The algorithm 
is very strict. I was hoping I could get a description of a religious art work 
in a book my Women's Circle is studying for church. It's an artist's conception 
of a person who lived two thousand years ago. Be my AI no can do. I'll be 
better off asking a human who has the proper frame of reference.
 

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 18, 2023 11:51 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
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> If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over 
> whether Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I 
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Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Kathy Blackburn]

Unless the discussion has morphed in a direction I'm not aware of, the subject 
was the Be my AI feature in Be My Eyes. If a photo contains a face,, Be My AI 
will not describe the picture at all, apologetically, of course. The algorithm 
is very strict. I was hoping I could get a description of a religious art work 
in a book my Women's Circle is studying for church. It's an artist's conception 
of a person who lived two thousand years ago. Be my AI no can do. I'll be 
better off asking a human who has the proper frame of reference.
 

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 18, 2023 11:51 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
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> If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
> Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I get it that 
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Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Evan Reese]

Actually, it just occured to me that it could be simpler than I had thought.

The AI could describe a face, and it may very well know who it belongs 
to, but be prohibited from disclosing any identifying information such 
as name, address, phone number, etc.


ChatGPT is already prohibited from disclosing certain information, such 
as how to make an atomic bomb, although it may well have a pretty good 
idea as to how to do it. So they already know how to program it to not 
reveal things.


Evan




On 9/18/2023 1:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

To me, the discussion isn't about facial recognition as in naming the person, 
but rather giving a description of the facial features.
Seeing AI has a channel where you can train it to recognize a picture you take 
of a person and assign a name to that picture after 3 successful photos have 
been taken.
That is very different from combing the internet looking for matches to a 
particular face.





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If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
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Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Evan Reese]

I use Seeing AI pretty often for its bar code reading and short text 
features, but I haven't used that one.


But you are basically addressing the same issue I just posted about. 
There is a difference between the description of a face, and the 
identification of

that face with a specific person.

Evan

On 9/18/2023 1:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

To me, the discussion isn't about facial recognition as in naming the person, 
but rather giving a description of the facial features.
Seeing AI has a channel where you can train it to recognize a picture you take 
of a person and assign a name to that picture after 3 successful photos have 
been taken.
That is very different from combing the internet looking for matches to a 
particular face.





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If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I get it that many 
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Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Malcolm Parfitt]

I agree with Richard, I simply see it as an extension of Seeing AI’s person 
Channel or TapTap See’s description.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 18 Sep 2023, at 18:06, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> To me, the discussion isn't about facial recognition as in naming the 
> person, but rather giving a description of the facial features.
> Seeing AI has a channel where you can train it to recognize a picture you 
> take of a person and assign a name to that picture after 3 successful photos 
> have been taken.
> That is very different from combing the internet looking for matches to a 
> particular face.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Evan Reese]

Okay, I do get the idea that a lot of people do not want their faces 
recognized. Facial recognition has a lot of risks associated with it.


But I still do not see why someone could not get a description of a face 
without it being matched to a particular identity.


For example, why couldn't we get a description, say, this person has 
blue eyes, brown hair, et cetera, without saying, this is the face of 
so-and-so?


People seem to be conflating the idea of describing a face with the idea 
of identifying a face. An AI could describe a face without being able to 
say that
it is the face of a specific person. The data that gives the name and 
other info about a specific person could be isolated from the part that 
gives the
description, so that it is inaccessible to the AI so that it would be 
unable to say that it is the face of a particular person. For privacy 
reasons, organizations

keep data separate already, for example medical records.

I've asked this before and noone has been able to explain what I am 
missing.


Evan

On 9/18/2023 12:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Absolutely, there have to be restrictions and safeguards in place especially 
since nobody totally understands yet where all of this AI stuff will go and how 
far it can go.


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If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I get it that many 
people don't want to have their face recognized and I don't think blind 
people's right to have faces recognized trumps the public's rights not to have 
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RE: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Richard Turner]

To me, the discussion isn't about facial recognition as in naming the person, 
but rather giving a description of the facial features.
Seeing AI has a channel where you can train it to recognize a picture you take 
of a person and assign a name to that picture after 3 successful photos have 
been taken.
That is very different from combing the internet looking for matches to a 
particular face.





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If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
Seeing and other similar apps should do facial recognition. I get it that many 
people don't want to have their face recognized and I don't think blind 
people's right to have faces recognized trumps the public's rights not to have 
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RE: seeing AI and facial recognition

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Absolutely, there have to be restrictions and safeguards in place especially 
since nobody totally understands yet where all of this AI stuff will go and how 
far it can go.


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If I understand correctly, and I'm not sure I do, the debate is over whether 
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RE: seeing AI question

[Dennis Long]

Thanks Chris That helped.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 8:04 AM
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Subject: Re: seeing AI question

 

 

In Seeing A I,go to the menu at the top of the screen, and in there choose 
settings.

In settings, choose configure haptic settings.  In there you will be able to 
choose 4 items you want to be in the haptic pop up and in what order you want 
them.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris 

 

 

 





On Jul 21, 2023, at 3:41 AM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi, how do you choose will appear in the long press menu when you long press on 
the app on your home screen?  Thanks.

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Re: seeing AI question

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In Seeing A I,go to the menu at the top of the screen, and in there choose settings.In settings, choose configure haptic settings.  In there you will be able to choose 4 items you want to be in the haptic pop up and in what order you want them.Hope this helps.Chris  On Jul 21, 2023, at 3:41 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:Hi, how do you choose will appear in the long press menu when you long press on the app on your home screen?  Thanks.



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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I think that is what confused me for a while, which is why I haven't been using 
it like I will be doing now, thanks to all of you and your help. 

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You do not need to double tap on the channel. When you flick up or down on the 
channel and hear the one you want, don' touch it, just point the camera. I 
think handwriting with have a button to capture the picture, but most like 
short text, document, product all just work.




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On Jul 11, 2023, at 5:37 PM, Penny Reeder  
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I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a 
channel with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it 
switches immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on 
Short Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for 
your advice! Penny 


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I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! Esther


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On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
<2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:



I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 

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they are probably having the same problem I had. though 
the light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had 
to DT it again and it appeared.
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To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
        Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

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Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not 
find it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to 
see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you 
know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an 
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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Strangely enough, I went ibn to see what World View was, and right now, it is 
not there. Light is at the top, though, where I moved it, and I am glad about 
that. 

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I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a channel 
with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it switches 
immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on Short 
Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for your 
advice! Penny 


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I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! Esther


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On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
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I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 

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they are probably having the same problem I had. though the 
light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to 
DT it again and it appeared.
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To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
        Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

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Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. 
I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if 
there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just 
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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, Roberty, I filally managed to find it. It works! 

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they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was 
checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it 
appeared.
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To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

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Arnold
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To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I think I have all of them. I've been getting into it and learning more, 
product, document, short text, light, world, one called, it sounds like they 
say scene, then there is currency, color. I have managed to move Light to the 
top now. Thanks for all the help. 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.

What are all the channels  you do have?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a 
video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find 
stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it 
and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help. 

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Re: Seeing AI.

[William James]

Hi Penny,You swipe with one finger up or down to the channel you want.  Once you have landed on the one you want, make VoiceOver’s focus be on something else like help, menu, ETC.  When you double tap the screen, your channel won’t change.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jul 11, 2023, at 8:37 PM, Penny Reeder  wrote:I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a channel with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it switches immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on Short Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for your advice! Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 11, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc WrightSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Seeing AI.they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it appeared.- Original Message -From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PMSubject: RE: Seeing AI.What are all the channels  you do have?-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn ArnoldSent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PMTo: viPhone Subject: Seeing AI.Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/09d501d9b393%2422ede240%2468c9a6c0%24%40gmail.com.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656CC3A04DFC0B24AE93FD1C731A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/011b01d9b3f7%2471d79c70%247001a8c0%40HPDesktop.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 

Re: Seeing AI.

[Richard Turner]

You do not need to double tap on the channel. When you flick up or down on the channel and hear the one you want, don' touch it, just point the camera. I think handwriting with have a button to capture the picture, but most like short text, document, product all just work.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jul 11, 2023, at 5:37 PM, Penny Reeder  wrote:I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a channel with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it switches immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on Short Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for your advice! Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 11, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc WrightSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Seeing AI.they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it appeared.- Original Message -From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PMSubject: RE: Seeing AI.What are all the channels  you do have?-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn ArnoldSent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PMTo: viPhone Subject: Seeing AI.Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/09d501d9b393%2422ede240%2468c9a6c0%24%40gmail.com.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656CC3A04DFC0B24AE93FD1C731A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/011b01d9b3f7%2471d79c70%247001a8c0%40HPDesktop.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you 

Re: Seeing AI.

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I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a channel with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it switches immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on Short Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for your advice! Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 11, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc WrightSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Seeing AI.they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it appeared.- Original Message -From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PMSubject: RE: Seeing AI.What are all the channels  you do have?-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn ArnoldSent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PMTo: viPhone Subject: Seeing AI.Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/09d501d9b393%2422ede240%2468c9a6c0%24%40gmail.com.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656CC3A04DFC0B24AE93FD1C731A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/011b01d9b3f7%2471d79c70%247001a8c0%40HPDesktop.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are 

Re: Seeing AI.

[Esther Levegnale]

I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI.
> 
> they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector 
> was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again 
> and it appeared.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
> Subject: RE: Seeing AI.
> 
> 
> What are all the channels  you do have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Seeing AI.
> 
> Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't 
> used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there 
> still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how 
> I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time 
> of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.
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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was 
checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it 
appeared.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a 
video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find 
stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it 
and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.

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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I finally did find light. 

I have:

Quick help
Recognizing English
Channel help
Short text

Document
Product
Person
Currency
Scene preview
Color
Handwriting
Light



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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.

What are all the channels  you do have?

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Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a 
video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find 
stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it 
and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help. 

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RE: Seeing AI.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Oh yes, thanks. I forgot about World Preview. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Seeing AI.

On my phone, Seeing AI has Light between handwriting and World Preview.  You 
use one finger to swipe up through the various channels of Seeing AI.


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> On Jul 10, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I 
> haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to 
> see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any 
> of you know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and 
> kind of had an uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
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Re: Seeing AI.

[Robert Doc Wright]

they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector 
was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again 
and it appeared.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI.


What are all the channels  you do have?

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Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't 
used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there 
still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just 
how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain 
time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.


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RE: Seeing AI.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What are all the channels  you do have?

-Original Message-
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Arnold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Seeing AI.

Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used 
it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a 
video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find 
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Re: Seeing AI.

[William James]

On my phone, Seeing AI has Light between handwriting and World Preview.  You 
use one finger to swipe up through the various channels of Seeing AI.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jul 10, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find
> it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I
> think I'll try to see if there still is a video, where I can
> read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find
> stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an
> uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks
> for any help.
> 
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RE: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

[chrisjudge1967]

Sure sounds like it. Let's see how well it works.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: February 1, 2023 3:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

That is pretty amazing! 

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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 7:31 PM
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Subject: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

Hi all,

As per the subject, Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation as part of its 
World channel on devices running iOS14 or newer. (It's a shame that they don't 
have some kind of accessible GPS offering that this could be integrated into.) 
"Indoor Navigation enables you to create routes through a building, and later 
follow that route, guided by spatial audio cues."
I've yet to try it, but the link below is for a basic tutorial that can be 
found within the app:
https://youtu.be/sKMHg1DpTuE

I'd be interested in hearing peoples experiences around how well it works and 
what people are doing with it.

Cheers,
Ben.

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RE: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

[Carolyn]

That is pretty amazing! 

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Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 7:31 PM
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Subject: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

Hi all,

As per the subject, Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation as part of its 
World channel on devices running iOS14 or newer. (It's a shame that they don't 
have some kind of accessible GPS offering that this could be integrated into.) 
"Indoor Navigation enables you to create routes through a building, and later 
follow that route, guided by spatial audio cues."
I've yet to try it, but the link below is for a basic tutorial that can be 
found within the app:
https://youtu.be/sKMHg1DpTuE

I'd be interested in hearing peoples experiences around how well it works and 
what people are doing with it.

Cheers,
Ben.

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RE: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It seems like they are putting some of the Soundscape functionality into the 
Seeing AI app. 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ben 
Mustill-Rose
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

Hi all,

As per the subject, Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation as part of its 
World channel on devices running iOS14 or newer. (It's a shame that they don't 
have some kind of accessible GPS offering that this could be integrated into.) 
"Indoor Navigation enables you to create routes through a building, and later 
follow that route, guided by spatial audio cues."
I've yet to try it, but the link below is for a basic tutorial that can be 
found within the app:
https://youtu.be/sKMHg1DpTuE

I'd be interested in hearing peoples experiences around how well it works and 
what people are doing with it.

Cheers,
Ben.

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RE: Seeing AI and Shortcuts

[Richard Turner]

I just set up two seeing ai shortcuts that I had not used before, Scene, and 
Hand Writing.
I did this through the Seeing AI settings, Configure shortcuts.
I accepted the default phrases, Recognize Scene and Recognize Handwriting.
Both commands worked as expected in that it opened Seeing AI with the 
appropriate channel open and then I hit the take picture button.




Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Hill
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI and Shortcuts

Hello,
One of my colleagues  is trying to help people use Seeing AI and has reported 
for the second time not being able to create the Siri shortcuts for the various 
channels in the app.  Has anyone experienced anything similar and if so, what 
was the solution?

Thanks in advance,


Kelly Hill

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Re: Seeing AI update

[Marie N.]

This is a feature that might convince me that I need an IPhone 12. LOL!
Marie


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From: Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:56 PM
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Subject: Seeing AI update

Seeing AI, Today, • The new World channel, available on devices with a LiDAR 
scanner running iOS 14, enables you to explore an unfamiliar space in 3D, 
using spatial audio. When wearing headphones, you will hear objects around 
you announced from their location in the room. You can also find a 
particular object by placing an audio beacon on it. We are keen to hear your 
feedback on this early experiment, and invite you to work with us as we 
explore this new area together with the community. • On iPhone 12 Pro and 
Pro Max, the haptic proximity sensor enables you to point the LiDAR scanner 
and feel the distance to things around you • The main screen has been 
visually redesigned to improve contrast and widen the camera's field of 
view • Improvements to image descriptions on the Scene channel, and when 
browsing photos on your phone • Improved text recognition accuracy on the 
Document channel • Seeing AI is now available in seven additional languages: 
Czech, Danish, Finnish, Greek, Hungarian, Polish, and Swedish • Plus, 
various bug fixes under the hood, Version 4.0 • 234.5 MB


Richard

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RE: Seeing AI photo description - any shortcut?

[Richard Turner]

The other way to do this is to start with Seeing AI.
Open the menu, then browse photos.
You'll have to give permission if you haven't.
Then when you find the photo you want, double tap on it and it does the 
description.
Then, if you flick right through that screen there is an Explore photo option 
that can allow you to slide your finger around the photo and have it identify 
objects in the photo and even read some text.




Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:45 AM
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Subject: Re: Seeing AI photo description - any shortcut?

When you are in the list, just use the page-up swipe twice,  I think, to get 
closer to Seeing AI.


Maria Campbell
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On 10/28/2020 1:38 PM, karuna Chopra wrote:
> The Seeing AI application from Microsoft has a wonderful photo recognition 
> feature which describes the photo in great detail.
>
> However to reach the menu is very cumbersome. Let me give you an example.
> When I get a photo, I first have to tap it and click on share, then I have to 
> tap it again on share in the next menu; and then it comes to a long menu and 
> I have to scroll right to the end of the menu where there is the link 
> ”recognise with seeing AI”
>
> In all I have to tab three or four times before I can get the application to 
> start recognising the photo.
>
> I am sure they must be a shorter way to do this. Can anyone please help?
>

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Re: Seeing AI photo description - any shortcut?

[Maria Campbell]

When you are in the list, just use the page-up swipe twice,  I think, to 
get closer to Seeing AI.



Maria Campbell
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On 10/28/2020 1:38 PM, karuna Chopra wrote:

The Seeing AI application from Microsoft has a wonderful photo recognition 
feature which describes the photo in great detail.

However to reach the menu is very cumbersome. Let me give you an example.
When I get a photo, I first have to tap it and click on share, then I have to 
tap it again on share in the next menu; and then it comes to a long menu and I 
have to scroll right to the end of the menu where there is the link ”recognise 
with seeing AI”

In all I have to tab three or four times before I can get the application to 
start recognising the photo.

I am sure they must be a shorter way to do this. Can anyone please help?



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RE: Seeing Ai issues?

[Richard Turner]

I have no problems with it.
Are you using the Document channel?
If it is too dark, that could happen.
The short text is working fine as is the Product channel for bar codes.
Try the short text channel and see if that works.



Richard
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Subject: Seeing Ai issues?

All:
Is anyone else having issues with the Seeing ai app? Its horrible for me. The 
app no longer automatically finds text. I have to manually choose take a 
picture, as well as it keeps saying nothing is visible.. I’ve even tested on 
items I’ve read before.
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not sure how this ended up in a thread with subject "Seeing AI", but no, any 
phone released this spring would not be 5G. Rumours are that this fall's new 
iPhones will support it, but as Richard said, we won't know for sure. Anyways, 
5G in the mainstream is still at least 2 years away for most of us. Especially 
here in Canada we first have to see what the government decides with respect to 
letting Huawei become part of the 5G infrastructure or not.


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Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 11:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Seeing AI?

When Apple announces the new phone, we will find out if it is 5G, and what it 
will be called, etc.
Up to now, it is all rumor.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:53 AM
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Subject: RE: Seeing AI?

Would that be a 5-G phone?
Thanks!

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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 8:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Seeing AI?

In fact, if an SE 2 phone is released in the next few months which now seems 
quite likely, it is certainly going to still have a home button, but it will be 
a virtual home button like on the iPhon e8 not a mechanical button like on the 
6S or the current SE. This means there is a small indent in the screen which 
feels like the home button, but pressing on it only generates a small amount of 
haptic feedback which again feels a little like pressing an actual button, but 
there is no mechanical component which is subject to wear and tear and of 
course as it's just part of the screen there is no way for this to be a place 
where any moisture could get in.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI?

Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
phone said I was right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE 
comes out this spring. 

Here's my question. How to I use Seeing AI? I got him to download it for me. 

Incidentally, for $19.99, I got a wireless charger and am so glad I did. 


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RE: Seeing AI?

[Richard Turner]

When Apple announces the new phone, we will find out if it is 5G, and what it 
will be called, etc.
Up to now, it is all rumor.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI?

Would that be a 5-G phone?
Thanks!

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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI?

In fact, if an SE 2 phone is released in the next few months which now seems 
quite likely, it is certainly going to still have a home button, but it will be 
a virtual home button like on the iPhon e8 not a mechanical button like on the 
6S or the current SE. This means there is a small indent in the screen which 
feels like the home button, but pressing on it only generates a small amount of 
haptic feedback which again feels a little like pressing an actual button, but 
there is no mechanical component which is subject to wear and tear and of 
course as it's just part of the screen there is no way for this to be a place 
where any moisture could get in.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI?

Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
phone said I was right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE 
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Fazil]

Would that be a 5-G phone?
Thanks!

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In fact, if an SE 2 phone is released in the next few months which now seems 
quite likely, it is certainly going to still have a home button, but it will be 
a virtual home button like on the iPhon e8 not a mechanical button like on the 
6S or the current SE. This means there is a small indent in the screen which 
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Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Carolyn]

That is good then, because there is a market for it - could make Apple stock go 
up, who knows. 

I did like my SE, but just wore the thing out. 

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In fact, if an SE 2 phone is released in the next few months which now seems 
quite likely, it is certainly going to still have a home button, but it will be 
a virtual home button like on the iPhon e8 not a mechanical button like on the 
6S or the current SE. This means there is a small indent in the screen which 
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haptic feedback which again feels a little like pressing an actual button, but 
there is no mechanical component which is subject to wear and tear and of 
course as it's just part of the screen there is no way for this to be a place 
where any moisture could get in.

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Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
phone said I was right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE 
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

In fact, if an SE 2 phone is released in the next few months which now seems 
quite likely, it is certainly going to still have a home button, but it will be 
a virtual home button like on the iPhon e8 not a mechanical button like on the 
6S or the current SE. This means there is a small indent in the screen which 
feels like the home button, but pressing on it only generates a small amount of 
haptic feedback which again feels a little like pressing an actual button, but 
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course as it's just part of the screen there is no way for this to be a place 
where any moisture could get in.

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Subject: Seeing AI?

Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
phone said I was right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE 
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Carolyn]

That is pretty impressive. 

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Carolyn:

One thing that really impressed me was the handwriting channel on Seeing AI.

I had some old hand written recipes from years ago, and it was amazing how well 
this feature worked for me. 

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[Holly]

Carolyn:

One thing that really impressed me was the handwriting channel on Seeing AI.

I had some old hand written recipes from years ago, and it was amazing how 
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Carolyn]

John Harden on the other Apple list sent a video on it, and it said his shirt 
was blue teal - probably a pretty color. He said, you just can't be sure.  

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Carolyn:

Don't rely on the Seeing AIColor identifier too much.  I have never had much 
luck with it's accuracy. 

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Carolyn:

Don't rely on the Seeing AIColor identifier too much.  I have never had much 
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RE: Seeing AI?

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Thank you. I think it will be very useful. For one thing, I'll always have a 
color identifier when shopping. 

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When you first open the app, you will need to give it permission to access the 
camera and read through the agreement about its accuracy, etc.

Each time you open a new channel, there will be a description and a button to 
watch the video demonstrating that channel made by the developer, who is blind 
and works at Microsoft.

After you have read the descriptions and maybe even watched the videos, feel 
free to come back with more specific questions as each channel is slightly 
different in how \you use them.

To change channels, touch near the bottom where it says something like Channel, 
ShortText, and flick up with one finger to change to Documents, etc.

HTH,
 

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Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
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[Richard Turner]

When you first open the app, you will need to give it permission to access the 
camera and read through the agreement about its accuracy, etc.

Each time you open a new channel, there will be a description and a button to 
watch the video demonstrating that channel made by the developer, who is blind 
and works at Microsoft.

After you have read the descriptions and maybe even watched the videos, feel 
free to come back with more specific questions as each channel is slightly 
different in how \you use them.

To change channels, touch near the bottom where it says something like Channel, 
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HTH,
 

Richard

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Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
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RE: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

[Richard Turner]

Yes, you no doubt have the latest version.
Try the triple tap with one finger and see if that changes anything at all.



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

I uninstalled seeing AI, so on reinstall, I should have gotten the most 
up-to-date version of the app; it says in the App Store that the last update 
was a few months ago. It says that that update was for iOS 13. Seeing AI is 
among my share options. Thanks.

> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try a one finger double tap on the image and that should bring up the context 
> menu where you can pick share.
> If Seeing AI isn't in the list, double tap on the More button and see if 
> Process in Seeing AI comes up.
> I'm thinking though this may be something with iOS 13 that Microsoft will 
> have to address in an update.
> Have you updated Seeing AI?
> They had an update recently related to iOS 13.
> 
> But certainly report it and keep reporting it.
> I report it both to Seeing AI and Apple Accessibility.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: 
> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9cc013a008de4737d03c08d775bd9e00%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637107329565746863sdata=NsLq1QsvHpEgWr6Q6wxQZddI8jaQxjUr%2FrzbO0OLYUk%3Dreserved=0
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem
> 
> Yes, I would say report it; I did! Maybe not the best example, but this is 
> what I wrote them in a follow up after writing you and them:
> 
> 
> After uninstalling and reinstalling the app, I discovered that if I send all 
> images to photos on my iOS device, and then share, the images will process, 
> but from the Mail app, on iOS 12 I could double tap and hold on the image, 
> and it would bring up various options, including recognize with Seeing AI. It 
> was so great how it would just process , after which I could double tap on 
> close and I would be popped back into my Mail app to process the next image. 
> However, like I said, double tapping and holding doesn’t immediately bring up 
> share options, so, I have to double tap on the image, double tap on share, 
> and then, once I start recognizing with Seeing AI, like I said, it just says 
> image processing , and the close or cancel buttons don’t work, meaning I have 
> to hit the home button, go to the app switcher, close out of mail, go back to 
> Mail, bring mail back up, and find the USPS message again. Please fix! 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes I have been having this problem off and on for months now sad to say. 
>> Guess it's time to report it to the Seeing AI folk again?
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Kathy Brandt
>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem
>> 
>> I finally updated to iOS 13 yesterday. Today I tried sharing an image in the 
>> email from USPS informed delivery with seeing AI: I just got the continual 
>> message “processing“ and was unable to close or cancel without completely 
>> closing the mail app and reopening. Has anyone else experienced this or, 
>> what have you done? Thank you.
>> 
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Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

[Kathy Brandt]

I uninstalled seeing AI, so on reinstall, I should have gotten the most 
up-to-date version of the app; it says in the App Store that the last update 
was a few months ago. It says that that update was for iOS 13. Seeing AI is 
among my share options. Thanks.

> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try a one finger double tap on the image and that should bring up the context 
> menu where you can pick share.
> If Seeing AI isn't in the list, double tap on the More button and see if 
> Process in Seeing AI comes up.
> I'm thinking though this may be something with iOS 13 that Microsoft will 
> have to address in an update.
> Have you updated Seeing AI?
> They had an update recently related to iOS 13.
> 
> But certainly report it and keep reporting it.
> I report it both to Seeing AI and Apple Accessibility.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem
> 
> Yes, I would say report it; I did! Maybe not the best example, but this is 
> what I wrote them in a follow up after writing you and them:
> 
> 
> After uninstalling and reinstalling the app, I discovered that if I send all 
> images to photos on my iOS device, and then share, the images will process, 
> but from the Mail app, on iOS 12 I could double tap and hold on the image, 
> and it would bring up various options, including recognize with Seeing AI. It 
> was so great how it would just process , after which I could double tap on 
> close and I would be popped back into my Mail app to process the next image. 
> However, like I said, double tapping and holding doesn’t immediately bring up 
> share options, so, I have to double tap on the image, double tap on share, 
> and then, once I start recognizing with Seeing AI, like I said, it just says 
> image processing , and the close or cancel buttons don’t work, meaning I have 
> to hit the home button, go to the app switcher, close out of mail, go back to 
> Mail, bring mail back up, and find the USPS message again. Please fix! 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes I have been having this problem off and on for months now sad to say. 
>> Guess it's time to report it to the Seeing AI folk again?
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Kathy Brandt
>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem
>> 
>> I finally updated to iOS 13 yesterday. Today I tried sharing an image in the 
>> email from USPS informed delivery with seeing AI: I just got the continual 
>> message “processing“ and was unable to close or cancel without completely 
>> closing the mail app and reopening. Has anyone else experienced this or, 
>> what have you done? Thank you.
>> 
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RE: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

[Richard Turner]

Try a one finger double tap on the image and that should bring up the context 
menu where you can pick share.
If Seeing AI isn't in the list, double tap on the More button and see if 
Process in Seeing AI comes up.
I'm thinking though this may be something with iOS 13 that Microsoft will have 
to address in an update.
Have you updated Seeing AI?
They had an update recently related to iOS 13.

But certainly report it and keep reporting it.
I report it both to Seeing AI and Apple Accessibility.


Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

Yes, I would say report it; I did! Maybe not the best example, but this is what 
I wrote them in a follow up after writing you and them:


After uninstalling and reinstalling the app, I discovered that if I send all 
images to photos on my iOS device, and then share, the images will process, but 
from the Mail app, on iOS 12 I could double tap and hold on the image, and it 
would bring up various options, including recognize with Seeing AI. It was so 
great how it would just process , after which I could double tap on close and I 
would be popped back into my Mail app to process the next image. However, like 
I said, double tapping and holding doesn’t immediately bring up share options, 
so, I have to double tap on the image, double tap on share, and then, once I 
start recognizing with Seeing AI, like I said, it just says image processing , 
and the close or cancel buttons don’t work, meaning I have to hit the home 
button, go to the app switcher, close out of mail, go back to Mail, bring mail 
back up, and find the USPS message again. Please fix! 


> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes I have been having this problem off and on for months now sad to say. 
> Guess it's time to report it to the Seeing AI folk again?
> Robin
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Kathy Brandt
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem
> 
> I finally updated to iOS 13 yesterday. Today I tried sharing an image in the 
> email from USPS informed delivery with seeing AI: I just got the continual 
> message “processing“ and was unable to close or cancel without completely 
> closing the mail app and reopening. Has anyone else experienced this or, what 
> have you done? Thank you.
> 
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Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

[Kathy Brandt]

Yes, I would say report it; I did! Maybe not the best example, but this is what 
I wrote them in a follow up after writing you and them:


After uninstalling and reinstalling the app, I discovered that if I send all 
images to photos on my iOS device, and then share, the images will process, but 
from the Mail app, on iOS 12 I could double tap and hold on the image, and it 
would bring up various options, including recognize with Seeing AI. It was so 
great how it would just process , after which I could double tap on close and I 
would be popped back into my Mail app to process the next image. However, like 
I said, double tapping and holding doesn’t immediately bring up share options, 
so, I have to double tap on the image, double tap on share, and then, once I 
start recognizing with Seeing AI, like I said, it just says image processing , 
and the close or cancel buttons don’t work, meaning I have to hit the home 
button, go to the app switcher, close out of mail, go back to Mail, bring mail 
back up, and find the USPS message again. Please fix! 


> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes I have been having this problem off and on for months now sad to say. 
> Guess it's time to report it to the Seeing AI folk again?
> Robin
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Kathy Brandt
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem
> 
> I finally updated to iOS 13 yesterday. Today I tried sharing an image in the 
> email from USPS informed delivery with seeing AI: I just got the continual 
> message “processing“ and was unable to close or cancel without completely 
> closing the mail app and reopening. Has anyone else experienced this or, what 
> have you done? Thank you.
> 
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Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Yes I have been having this problem off and on for months now sad to say. 
Guess it's time to report it to the Seeing AI folk again?

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Kathy Brandt

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

I finally updated to iOS 13 yesterday. Today I tried sharing an image in the 
email from USPS informed delivery with seeing AI: I just got the continual 
message “processing“ and was unable to close or cancel without completely 
closing the mail app and reopening. Has anyone else experienced this or, 
what have you done? Thank you.


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Re: Seeing AI and USPS informed delivery problem

[Julian]

Hi,

I'm experiencing the same thing as well. What I have to do is save the image to 
my photos and from the photos app then I shared to seeing AI, and vision AI, or 
any other app of my choice. The only one that will let you do it directly from 
the email at this point, his voice stream scanner.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> I finally updated to iOS 13 yesterday. Today I tried sharing an image in the 
> email from USPS informed delivery with seeing AI: I just got the continual 
> message “processing“ and was unable to close or cancel without completely 
> closing the mail app and reopening. Has anyone else experienced this or, what 
> have you done? Thank you.
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Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Richard Turner]

Kathy and all,
Robin sent me one that I could work with.
If I saved it to photos, then opened Seeing AI, browsed photos, opened it, the 
scan worked.
But no way in Hades will it work any other way.
This needs to be reported I think both to Microsoft, and Apple, but also as a 
review in the App Store.
This is most certainly broken.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:


Thanks, Richard. I just forwarded one of the emails from USPS informed 
delivery. I wrote Microsoft on Twitter, and in the App Store, as well as 
through the feedback place on the app.



On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Well, two suggestions.
I do not have that service, so the more people who write 
seein...@microsoft.com<mailto:seein...@microsoft.com>
the more likely it will be addressed.
Or, you could forward me one of those messages from UPS directly to 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
and I could test it on my end, and if I get the same result, which I would 
expect, I too will send them a note.
Later,



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Robin Frost 
mailto:robin...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
I'm not Kathy obviously but since I too had the USPS issue I thought I'd chime 
in.
The procedure I follow is:
Open USPS informed delivery email double tap on scan of your mail piece, on the 
next screen double tap share, then select Seeing AI which I am assuming is 
using the photo describing channel that's when the processing tones just loop 
endlessly. It used to be you could do this without even needing to launch 
Seeing AI or select a channel manually at all. Now it's just broken.
Robin


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

Kathy,
There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
conversation?


Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs



On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with the 
latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.

I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.

Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel? You 
said you hadn't tried the document channel...



Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well the 
toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs

The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go beyond 
iOS 12.4.2. Removing and

Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I’ll forward one along too for your enjoyment  and I’ll write Microsoft too.
☺
Take good care.
Robin

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

Well, two suggestions. 
I do not have that service, so the more people who write seein...@microsoft.com
the more likely it will be addressed.
Or, you could forward me one of those messages from UPS directly to 
richardturne...@outlook.com
and I could test it on my end, and if I get the same result, which I would 
expect, I too will send them a note.
Later,




Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 



  On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:


  Hi,
  I'm not Kathy obviously but since I too had the USPS issue I thought I'd 
chime in.
  The procedure I follow is:
  Open USPS informed delivery email double tap on scan of your mail piece, on 
the next screen double tap share, then select Seeing AI which I am assuming is 
using the photo describing channel that's when the processing tones just loop 
endlessly. It used to be you could do this without even needing to launch 
Seeing AI or select a channel manually at all. Now it's just broken.
  Robin


  -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
  Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 9:41 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

  Kathy,
  There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
conversation?


  Richard

   Live long and prosper


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  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
  Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs




On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:



I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with 
the latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.

It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.



I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.



Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel? 
You said you hadn't tried the document channel...







Richard



 Live long and prosper





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-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs



I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well 
the toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kathy Brandt

Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs



The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go beyond 
iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft hasn’t 
answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t tried 
documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, it says something 
like error, analysis failed, and when trying to share is scan from USPS.com, 
the series of tones just continue, with the message repeating “processing“.



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Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Kathy Brandt]

Thanks, Richard. I just forwarded one of the emails from USPS informed 
delivery. I wrote Microsoft on Twitter, and in the App Store, as well as 
through the feedback place on the app.



> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, two suggestions.
> I do not have that service, so the more people who write 
> seein...@microsoft.com
> the more likely it will be addressed.
> Or, you could forward me one of those messages from UPS directly to 
> richardturne...@outlook.com
> and I could test it on my end, and if I get the same result, which I would 
> expect, I too will send them a note.
> Later,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm not Kathy obviously but since I too had the USPS issue I thought I'd 
>> chime in.
>> The procedure I follow is:
>> Open USPS informed delivery email double tap on scan of your mail piece, on 
>> the next screen double tap share, then select Seeing AI which I am assuming 
>> is using the photo describing channel that's when the processing tones just 
>> loop endlessly. It used to be you could do this without even needing to 
>> launch Seeing AI or select a channel manually at all. Now it's just broken.
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 9:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs
>> 
>> Kathy,
>> There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
>> conversation?
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: 
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C4015d508b58c47f9196208d74b337f19%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637060556850218254sdata=9C40EsTO%2FyB%2Bm4xQaUi3kS1t8izmE9D6c4x4qFc4xfw%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
>> Brandt
>> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with 
>>> the latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
>>> It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.
>>> 
>>> I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.
>>> 
>>> Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel? 
>>> You said you hadn't tried the document channel...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  Live long and prosper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: 
>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C4015d508b58c47f9196208d74b337f19%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637060556850218254sdata=9C40EsTO%2FyB%2Bm4xQaUi3kS1t8izmE9D6c4x4qFc4xfw%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
>>> Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs
>>> 
>>> I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well 
>>> the toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Kathy Brandt
>>> Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs
>>> 
>>> The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
>>> fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go 
>>> beyond iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft 
>>> hasn’t answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t 
>>> tried documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, it says 
>>> something like error, analysis failed, and when trying to share is scan 
>>> from USPS.com, the series of tones just continue, with the message 
>>> repeating “processing“.
>>> 
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Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Richard Turner]

Well, two suggestions.
I do not have that service, so the more people who write seein...@microsoft.com
the more likely it will be addressed.
Or, you could forward me one of those messages from UPS directly to 
richardturne...@outlook.com
and I could test it on my end, and if I get the same result, which I would 
expect, I too will send them a note.
Later,



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:

Hi,
I'm not Kathy obviously but since I too had the USPS issue I thought I'd chime 
in.
The procedure I follow is:
Open USPS informed delivery email double tap on scan of your mail piece, on the 
next screen double tap share, then select Seeing AI which I am assuming is 
using the photo describing channel that's when the processing tones just loop 
endlessly. It used to be you could do this without even needing to launch 
Seeing AI or select a channel manually at all. Now it's just broken.
Robin


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

Kathy,
There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
conversation?


Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs



On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with the 
latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.

I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.

Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel? You 
said you hadn't tried the document channel...



Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well the 
toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs

The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go beyond 
iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft hasn’t 
answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t tried 
documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, it says something 
like error, analysis failed, and when trying to share is scan from USPS.com, 
the series of tones just continue, with the message repeating “processing“.

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Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I'm not Kathy obviously but since I too had the USPS issue I thought I'd 
chime in.

The procedure I follow is:
Open USPS informed delivery email double tap on scan of your mail piece, on 
the next screen double tap share, then select Seeing AI which I am assuming 
is using the photo describing channel that's when the processing tones just 
loop endlessly. It used to be you could do this without even needing to 
launch Seeing AI or select a channel manually at all. Now it's just broken.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

Kathy,
There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
conversation?



Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs



On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with 
the latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.

It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.

I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.

Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel? 
You said you hadn't tried the document channel...




Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well 
the toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kathy Brandt

Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs

The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go 
beyond iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. 
Microsoft hasn’t answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. 
I haven’t tried documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, 
it says something like error, analysis failed, and when trying to share is 
scan from USPS.com, the series of tones just continue, with the message 
repeating “processing“.


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Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Kathy Brandt]

Sorry about that! I was saying that I miss being able to share my scan from 
USPS informed delivery with Seeing AI: this is a service you sign up with from 
the post office so that they send you the scan of what appears on the envelopes 
for incoming mail on a given day with KNFB Reader I would have to copy the 
image, and go into KNFB Reader, recognize the document, delete it when done, 
then go back to email, whereas with Seeing AI on sharing, it would process and 
read the description of what was on the envelope, after which I would just 
close and be immediately redirected back to email.



> On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Kathy,
> There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
> conversation?
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with the 
>> latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
>> It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.
>> 
>> I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.
>> 
>> Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel?  
>> You said you hadn't tried the document channel...
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
>> Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs
>> 
>> I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well 
>> the toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.
>> 
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
>> Brandt
>> Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs
>> 
>> The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
>> fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go 
>> beyond iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft 
>> hasn’t answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t 
>> tried documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, it says 
>> something like error, analysis failed, and when trying to share is scan from 
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RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Richard Turner]

Kathy,
There was no text from you in the message below.  It was just quoting the 
conversation?


Richard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs



> On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with the 
> latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
> It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.
> 
> I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.
> 
> Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel?  You 
> said you hadn't tried the document channel...
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: 
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C1a18bb0c26fc471bae9808d74b2ba9b5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637060523206228177sdata=7OoHvWqzu%2BVkZ4fjvegpT5z2NUUwPFxmascPgqiz2qw%3Dreserved=0
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
> Verrier
> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs
> 
> I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well 
> the toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs
> 
> The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
> fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go 
> beyond iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft 
> hasn’t answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t 
> tried documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, it says 
> something like error, analysis failed, and when trying to share is scan from 
> USPS.com, the series of tones just continue, with the message repeating 
> “processing“.
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Re: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Kathy Brandt]

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with the 
> latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
> It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.
> 
> I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.
> 
> Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel?  You 
> said you hadn't tried the document channel...
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
> Verrier
> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs
> 
> I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well 
> the toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs
> 
> The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
> fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go 
> beyond iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft 
> hasn’t answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t 
> tried documents yet. When trying to recognize one of my photos, it says 
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> “processing“.
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RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Richard Turner]

I just processed a photo from my photos on my 5S running iOS 12.4.2 with the 
latest Seeing AI update and it worked quickly and well.
It was a picture of our fireplace and mantle above.

I did a document scan and shared it both as text and as an image.

Kathy, how did you do the UPS scan?  Were you using the Product channel?  You 
said you hadn't tried the document channel...



Richard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well the 
toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs

The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go beyond 
iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft hasn’t 
answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t tried 
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RE: Seeing AI not processing photographs

[Mich Verrier]

I also found this when trying to scan a photo with seeing ai today as well the 
toanes just whent on and on and on and nothing happened. From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI not processing photographs

The situation didn’t improve when I got home, so, it wasn’t the network’s 
fault. I have written Microsoft. My iPod six GEN and iPhone 5s won’t go beyond 
iOS 12.4.2. Removing and reinstalling the app didn’t help. Microsoft hasn’t 
answered. Thankfully the short text feature still works. I haven’t tried 
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Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Of course I have yes for the reasons you stated.
Robin

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Have all of you who do experience issues emailed Microsoft about it? They can’t 
improve it if nobody tells them there seems to be a problem.

 

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Frost
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi,

How very odd that it isn’t afflicting people similarly across the board. But 
glad it isn’t only me.

Robin

 

From: Dave Mitchel 

Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:54 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

 

Robin, 

I to have noticed this over the past few weeks. 

nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire program 
and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it used to. 

I’m using an SE. 

Dave 

 

From: Robin Frost 

Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

 

Hi,

Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.

As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

 

Thanks for all insights.

Robin

 

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[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Yes sir I’m using the most recent version of the app. I’m not one to linger 
behind with older versions of apps or operating systems.
Robin

From: Richard Turner 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Those experiencing issues, are you using Seeing AI version 3.1?

 

That was a recent update.

 

The update primarily helped the document channel, but it may have changed how 
far you have to hold the camera for the short text channel.  I personally have 
not noticed any difference, short text has always worked well for me.

 

Richard

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

 

Hi,

How very odd that it isn’t afflicting people similarly across the board. But 
glad it isn’t only me.

Robin

 

From: Dave Mitchel 

Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:54 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

 

Robin, 

I to have noticed this over the past few weeks. 

nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire program 
and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it used to. 

I’m using an SE. 

Dave 

 

From: Robin Frost 

Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

 

Hi,

Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.

As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

 

Thanks for all insights.

Robin

 

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Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

[Donna]

Hi All,

I too, was having problems of the short text feature not longer working in the 
seeing AI app. I frequently only used the short text & product scanning 
features. I happened to needed to use the light detecting feature a couple days 
ago. When flicking through the different features of the app voiceover lost 
focus each time. After flicking through each feature once more, voiceover kept 
its focus. I cleared all apps from the app switcher, powered off my iPhone, 
waited several minutes, powered my iPhone back on, launched the seeing AI app & 
now the app is working as it use to. Before trying the above, I uninstalled the 
app & then reinstalled the app, with no improvement. I’m not sure how this 
solved my problem with the seeing AI app, I’m just happy it did. I’m certain 
though, I’ll be using the voicedream scanner app to read short & long documents 
instead of seeing AI. Voicedream scanner ROCKS Seeing AI will be my backup 
app if needed. 

Donna

 
> 
> Have all of you who do experience issues emailed Microsoft about it? They 
> can’t improve it if nobody tells them there seems to be a problem.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
> Frost
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry
>  
> Hi,
> How very odd that it isn’t afflicting people similarly across the board. But 
> glad it isn’t only me.
> Robin
>  
> From: Dave Mitchel
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry
>  
> Robin,
> I to have noticed this over the past few weeks.
> nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire 
> program and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it 
> used to.
> I’m using an SE.
> Dave
>  
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry
>  
> Hi,
> Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about 
> its short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become 
> increasingly less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. 
> Other channels still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is 
> almost unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the 
> app with no impact.
> As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
> have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an 
> app will decide not to play nice.
>  
> Thanks for all insights.
> Robin
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Have all of you who do experience issues emailed Microsoft about it? They can’t 
improve it if nobody tells them there seems to be a problem.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Hi,
How very odd that it isn’t afflicting people similarly across the board. But 
glad it isn’t only me.
Robin

From: Dave Mitchel
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Robin,
I to have noticed this over the past few weeks.
nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire program 
and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it used to.
I’m using an SE.
Dave

From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Hi,
Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.
As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

Thanks for all insights.
Robin

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Those experiencing issues, are you using Seeing AI version 3.1?

That was a recent update.

The update primarily helped the document channel, but it may have changed how 
far you have to hold the camera for the short text channel.  I personally have 
not noticed any difference, short text has always worked well for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
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Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Hi,
How very odd that it isn’t afflicting people similarly across the board. But 
glad it isn’t only me.
Robin

From: Dave Mitchel
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Robin,
I to have noticed this over the past few weeks.
nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire program 
and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it used to.
I’m using an SE.
Dave

From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Hi,
Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.
As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

Thanks for all insights.
Robin

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Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
How very odd that it isn’t afflicting people similarly across the board. But 
glad it isn’t only me.
Robin

From: Dave Mitchel 
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Robin, 
I to have noticed this over the past few weeks. 
nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire program 
and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it used to. 
I’m using an SE. 
Dave 

From: Robin Frost 
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Hi,
Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.
As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

Thanks for all insights.
Robin

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Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

[Brandon Olivares]

This is odd, I’ve not had any issues with it. I use it quite frequently on my 
iPhone XS.

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
> 
> Robin,
> I to have noticed this over the past few weeks.
> nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire 
> program and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it 
> used to.
> I’m using an SE.
> Dave
>  
> From: Robin Frost <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry
>  
> Hi,
> Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about 
> its short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become 
> increasingly less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. 
> Other channels still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is 
> almost unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the 
> app with no impact.
> As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
> have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an 
> app will decide not to play nice.
>  
> Thanks for all insights.
> Robin
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Re: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

[Dave Mitchel]

Robin, 
I to have noticed this over the past few weeks. 
nothing I have tried seems to help it to work except closing the entire program 
and reopening it. Even then it does not seem to work as well as it used to. 
I’m using an SE. 
Dave 

From: Robin Frost 
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

Hi,
Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.
As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

Thanks for all insights.
Robin

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RE: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

[Debby]

Hi Robin,

 

I think now that you mentioned it I have noticed a little lag in when the 
“short text” channel starts to read, but otherwise it is still working for me. 
Since you say that other Seeing AI channels and other apps are working, I can’t 
think of anything to suggest.

 

Good luck!

 

Debby

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI and Short Text Channel Inquiry

 

Hi,

Since Seeing AI was mentioned in another thread I thought I’d inquire about its 
short text channel specifically as in recent weeks it’s become increasingly 
less responsive on my iPhone XS Max so as to be almost useless. Other channels 
still seem to work alright but short text for me as I said is almost 
unresponsive.  Is it just me? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app with 
no impact.

As a result I find myself using other tools for the task which is why I often 
have multiple apps that accomplish similar tasks as one never knows when an app 
will decide not to play nice.

 

Thanks for all insights.

Robin

 

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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[l . d . ethier23]

Sorry, wrong list!

Lyne

> Le 10 juill. 2019 à 15:29, Larry Lumpkin  a écrit :
> 
> Camera-based bar code scanning never works well for me. That's why I have an 
> ID mate summit.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
> Outman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update
> 
> Good these updates are happening. I may have to touch base with them 
> concerning bar code channel. Glad your note came through as I am 
> reconstructing my list subscriptions. Bill Outman 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
>> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
>> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
>> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
>> again when the phone is moved. 
>> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
>> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
>> document stands .
>> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements., Version 3.1 • 
>> 227.5 MB
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>> indistinguishable from magic." 
>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[l . d . ethier23]

Comme il la déjà été mentionné dans une autre conversation, ce n’est pas 
possible.

Lyne

> Le 10 juill. 2019 à 15:29, Larry Lumpkin  a écrit :
> 
> Camera-based bar code scanning never works well for me. That's why I have an 
> ID mate summit.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
> Outman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update
> 
> Good these updates are happening. I may have to touch base with them 
> concerning bar code channel. Glad your note came through as I am 
> reconstructing my list subscriptions. Bill Outman 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
>> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
>> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
>> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
>> again when the phone is moved. 
>> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
>> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
>> document stands .
>> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements., Version 3.1 • 
>> 227.5 MB
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>> indistinguishable from magic." 
>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>> www.turner42.com
>> 
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RE: Seeing AI has an update

[Larry Lumpkin]

Camera-based bar code scanning never works well for me. That's why I have an ID 
mate summit.
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update

Good these updates are happening. I may have to touch base with them concerning 
bar code channel. Glad your note came through as I am reconstructing my list 
subscriptions. Bill Outman 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
> again when the phone is moved. 
> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
> document stands .
> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements., Version 3.1 • 
> 227.5 MB
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic." 
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Bill Outman]

Good these updates are happening. I may have to touch base with them concerning 
bar code channel. Glad your note came through as I am reconstructing my list 
subscriptions. Bill Outman 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
> again when the phone is moved. 
> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
> document stands .
> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements., 
> Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic." 
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Anthony Vece]

Hey Rich;
I got it.
Thank you
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That is very strange. I'm in Oregon, so using the same app store.
> 
> If you try this link and it says open, then you may already have the update.
> Seeing AI by Microsoft Corporation 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeing-ai/id999062298
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic." 
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> On Jul 9, 2019, at 6:42 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
>> I did that however the update wasn’t there maybe it’ll take a day or two
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sometimes you have to do the three finger swipe down on the updates screen 
>>> to get it to say Refreshing page, before the updates show up.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried the short text since the update?
>>> I've never had problems with the short text channel.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>>> indistinguishable from magic." 
>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
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>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:23 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The update is not showing up here in New Jersey.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Yes that's why I acknowledged that it wasn't a fair comparison by any 
>>>>> means. I was just pointing out that the short text channel had become 
>>>>> much, much less responsive let alone accurate for me in recent times with 
>>>>> no clue why.
>>>>> Robin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:07 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream 
>>>>> Scanner would be better.
>>>>> I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now 
>>>>> that Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they 
>>>>> are pretty even on accuracy.
>>>>> Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, 
>>>>> but the issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology 
>>>>> is indistinguishable from magic."
>>>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>>>>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cff43a7fff1fc4bf05da108d704d7e806%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983197664536473sdata=to6ZYLdgl8BzknHv2THPIhARFZINf5g2P6PwLUQlQlM%3Dreserved=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel 
>>>>>> has been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing 
>>>>>> has changed on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the 
>>>>>> water in terms of accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking 
>>>>>> of the short text channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's 
>>>>>> just been my experience.
>>>>>> Take good care.
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
>>>>>> To: ViPone list
>>>>>> Subject: Seeing AI

Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Richard Turner]

That is very strange. I'm in Oregon, so using the same app store.

If you try this link and it says open, then you may already have the update.
Seeing AI by Microsoft Corporation
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeing-ai/id999062298

Richard

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On Jul 9, 2019, at 6:42 PM, Anthony Vece 
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I did that however the update wasn’t there maybe it’ll take a day or two

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Jul 9, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Sometimes you have to do the three finger swipe down on the updates screen to 
get it to say Refreshing page, before the updates show up.

Has anyone tried the short text since the update?
I've never had problems with the short text channel.



Richard

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On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:23 PM, Anthony Vece 
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The update is not showing up here in New Jersey.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Robin Frost 
mailto:robin...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
Yes that's why I acknowledged that it wasn't a fair comparison by any means. I 
was just pointing out that the short text channel had become much, much less 
responsive let alone accurate for me in recent times with no clue why.
Robin


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update


Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream Scanner 
would be better.
I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now that 
Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they are pretty 
even on accuracy.
Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, but the 
issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.

Richard

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic."
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On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost 
mailto:robin...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel has 
been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has changed 
on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water in terms of 
accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the short text channel 
which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been my experience.
Take good care.
Robin

-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI has an update

If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you do. 
The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
again when the phone is moved.
Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does not 
need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with document 
stands .
Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB


Richard

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indistinguishable from magic."
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Anthony Vece]

I did that however the update wasn’t there maybe it’ll take a day or two

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sometimes you have to do the three finger swipe down on the updates screen to 
> get it to say Refreshing page, before the updates show up.
> 
> Has anyone tried the short text since the update?
> I've never had problems with the short text channel.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic." 
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:23 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> 
>> The update is not showing up here in New Jersey.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes that's why I acknowledged that it wasn't a fair comparison by any 
>>> means. I was just pointing out that the short text channel had become much, 
>>> much less responsive let alone accurate for me in recent times with no clue 
>>> why.
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:07 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream 
>>> Scanner would be better.
>>> I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now that 
>>> Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they are 
>>> pretty even on accuracy.
>>> Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, but 
>>> the issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>>> indistinguishable from magic."
>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>>> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Ce024b8f1dc76438c43f608d704ccc50e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983149829445866sdata=ee1zH3%2BXVfp%2Bt3DBQlzPnRmrb6F5VMboUJxw25v9aYA%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel 
>>>> has been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has 
>>>> changed on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water 
>>>> in terms of accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the 
>>>> short text channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been 
>>>> my experience.
>>>> Take good care.
>>>> Robin
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
>>>> To: ViPone list
>>>> Subject: Seeing AI has an update
>>>> 
>>>> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that 
>>>> you do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the 
>>>> improvements:
>>>> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
>>>> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will 
>>>> start again when the phone is moved.
>>>> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone 
>>>> does not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works 
>>>> with document stands .
>>>> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
>>>> Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology 
>>>> is indistinguishable from magic."
>>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Richard Turner]

Sometimes you have to do the three finger swipe down on the updates screen to 
get it to say Refreshing page, before the updates show up.

Has anyone tried the short text since the update?
I've never had problems with the short text channel.



Richard

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic." 
(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
www.turner42.com
 

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:23 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> The update is not showing up here in New Jersey.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes that's why I acknowledged that it wasn't a fair comparison by any means. 
>> I was just pointing out that the short text channel had become much, much 
>> less responsive let alone accurate for me in recent times with no clue why.
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update
>> 
>> 
>> Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream 
>> Scanner would be better.
>> I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now that 
>> Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they are pretty 
>> even on accuracy.
>> Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, but 
>> the issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>> indistinguishable from magic."
>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Ce024b8f1dc76438c43f608d704ccc50e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983149829445866sdata=ee1zH3%2BXVfp%2Bt3DBQlzPnRmrb6F5VMboUJxw25v9aYA%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel has 
>>> been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has 
>>> changed on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water in 
>>> terms of accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the short 
>>> text channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been my 
>>> experience.
>>> Take good care.
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
>>> To: ViPone list
>>> Subject: Seeing AI has an update
>>> 
>>> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
>>> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
>>> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
>>> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will 
>>> start again when the phone is moved.
>>> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
>>> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
>>> document stands .
>>> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
>>> Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>>> indistinguishable from magic."
>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Anthony Vece]

The update is not showing up here in New Jersey.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes that's why I acknowledged that it wasn't a fair comparison by any means. 
> I was just pointing out that the short text channel had become much, much 
> less responsive let alone accurate for me in recent times with no clue why.
> Robin
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update
> 
> 
> Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream Scanner 
> would be better.
> I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now that 
> Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they are pretty 
> even on accuracy.
> Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, but 
> the issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic."
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel has 
>> been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has 
>> changed on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water in 
>> terms of accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the short 
>> text channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been my 
>> experience.
>> Take good care.
>> Robin
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
>> To: ViPone list
>> Subject: Seeing AI has an update
>> 
>> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
>> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
>> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
>> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
>> again when the phone is moved.
>> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
>> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
>> document stands .
>> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
>> Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
>> indistinguishable from magic."
>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Yes that's why I acknowledged that it wasn't a fair comparison by any means. 
I was just pointing out that the short text channel had become much, much 
less responsive let alone accurate for me in recent times with no clue why.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI has an update


Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream 
Scanner would be better.
I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now that 
Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they are pretty 
even on accuracy.
Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, but 
the issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.


Richard

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic."

(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
www.turner42.com



On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:

Hi,
Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel 
has been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has 
changed on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water 
in terms of accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the 
short text channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been 
my experience.

Take good care.
Robin

-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI has an update

If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that 
you do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the 
improvements:
Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will 
start again when the phone is moved.
Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone 
does not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works 
with document stands .

Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB


Richard

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology 
is indistinguishable from magic."

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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Richard Turner]

Actually comparing the document channel in Seeing AI with Voice Dream Scanner 
would be better.
I would choose Voice Dream Scanner if I wanted to keep a scan, but now that 
Seeing AI can doesn't need to be so high above the document, they are pretty 
even on accuracy.
Voice Dream Scanner is still faster since it doesn't need the internet, but the 
issues with Seeing AI and its donecument channel are gone.

Richard

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indistinguishable from magic." 
(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
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> On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel has 
> been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has changed 
> on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water in terms of 
> accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the short text 
> channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been my experience.
> Take good care.
> Robin
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Seeing AI has an update
> 
> If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
> do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
> Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
> recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
> again when the phone is moved.
> Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
> not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
> document stands .
> Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
> Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: Seeing AI has an update

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Interesting you bring this up as in recent weeks the short text channel has 
been very underwhelming for me. It's quite the mystery as nothing has 
changed on my end. But VoiceDream Scanner is blowing it out of the water in 
terms of accuracy and responsiveness. Again I'm only speaking of the short 
text channel which perhaps isn't a fair comparison. It's just been my 
experience.

Take good care.
Robin

-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 3:31 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI has an update

If you have not installed the Seeing AI update, I highly recommend that you 
do. The document channel works much better now. Here are the improvements:
Seeing AI, Yesterday, Introducing a new battery saver mode which will stop 
recognizing if nothing is found for a period of time. Recognition will start 
again when the phone is moved.
Increased the field of view on the Document channel, so that the phone does 
not need to be as far away. This also means that Seeing AI now works with 
document stands .

Plus, a number of bug fixes and internal improvements.,
Version 3.1 • 227.5 MB


Richard

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indistinguishable from magic."

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RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

Hi Andy,
Oh ok, I didn’t know that.
Thank you.
Janet

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Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

The ID mate scanners only read bar codes.

Andy

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From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Arlene,
I just wonder is this the same id scanner you and I talked about some months 
ago? Do you know if this scanner also reads cards such as a state id, credit 
card?
Thank you.
Janet

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

I probably spelled it wrong, it's the id summit scanner.

Arlene
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From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Arlene,
I gave up on the Seeing AI app.  Maybe someday MS might improve it who knows.  
May I ask you what is the sumiit scanner that you use?
Janet


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we use 
our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

Arlene
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

HI Arlene!
I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It has 
become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering purchasing 
the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable than the 
Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, you’re lucky.
Janet

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
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From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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Re: Seeing AI issues

[Andy Baracco]

The ID mate scanners only read bar codes.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 12:40 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues


  Arlene, 

  I just wonder is this the same id scanner you and I talked about some months 
ago? Do you know if this scanner also reads cards such as a state id, credit 
card? 

  Thank you. 

  Janet

   

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Arlene
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:33 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

   

  I probably spelled it wrong, it's the id summit scanner.

   

  Arlene

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From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:40 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

 

Hi Arlene, 

I gave up on the Seeing AI app.  Maybe someday MS might improve it who 
knows.  May I ask you what is the sumiit scanner that you use? 

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

 

Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we 
use our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

 

Arlene

  - Original Message - 

  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

   

  HI Arlene! 

  I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It 
has become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering 
purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable 
than the Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, 
you’re lucky.  

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

   

  Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow 
process, especially compared to the summit scanner.

   

  Arlene

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

 

Hi Richard, 

I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and 
others can’t. 

That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app 
with no problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a 
fact though.  

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

 

Hello, 

Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.

For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the 
previous phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.

The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with 
Apple Accessibility.

I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.

I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using 
it successfully.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 

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Re: Seeing AI issues

[Andy Baracco]

The new model is called the Galaxy.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Arlene 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 12:32 PM
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues


  I probably spelled it wrong, it's the id summit scanner.

  Arlene
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From: janet gross 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues


Hi Arlene, 

I gave up on the Seeing AI app.  Maybe someday MS might improve it who 
knows.  May I ask you what is the sumiit scanner that you use? 

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

 

Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we 
use our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

 

Arlene

  - Original Message - 

  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

   

  HI Arlene! 

  I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It 
has become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering 
purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable 
than the Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, 
you’re lucky.  

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

   

  Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow 
process, especially compared to the summit scanner.

   

  Arlene

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

 

Hi Richard, 

I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and 
others can’t. 

That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app 
with no problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a 
fact though.  

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

 

Hello, 

Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.

For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the 
previous phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.

The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with 
Apple Accessibility.

I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.

I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using 
it successfully.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

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RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

Arlene,
I just wonder is this the same id scanner you and I talked about some months 
ago? Do you know if this scanner also reads cards such as a state id, credit 
card?
Thank you.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

I probably spelled it wrong, it's the id summit scanner.

Arlene
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From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Arlene,
I gave up on the Seeing AI app.  Maybe someday MS might improve it who knows.  
May I ask you what is the sumiit scanner that you use?
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we use 
our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

Arlene
- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

HI Arlene!
I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It has 
become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering purchasing 
the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable than the 
Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, you’re lucky.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
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From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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Re: Seeing AI issues

[Arlene]

I probably spelled it wrong, it's the id summit scanner.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:40 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues


  Hi Arlene, 

  I gave up on the Seeing AI app.  Maybe someday MS might improve it who knows. 
 May I ask you what is the sumiit scanner that you use? 

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
  Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:12 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

   

  Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we 
use our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

   

  Arlene

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

 

HI Arlene! 

I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It 
has become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering 
purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable 
than the Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, 
you’re lucky.  

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

 

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow 
process, especially compared to the summit scanner.

 

Arlene

  - Original Message - 

  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

   

  Hi Richard, 

  I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and 
others can’t. 

  That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with 
no problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.  

  Janet 

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
  To: ViPone list
  Subject: Seeing AI issues

   

  Hello, 

  Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.

  For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the 
previous phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.

  The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with 
Apple Accessibility.

  I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.

  I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

   

  Just my 2 cents worth.

   

  Richard

   

  Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

  “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

   

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RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

Hi Arlene,
I gave up on the Seeing AI app.  Maybe someday MS might improve it who knows.  
May I ask you what is the sumiit scanner that you use?
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we use 
our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

Arlene
- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

HI Arlene!
I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It has 
become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering purchasing 
the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable than the 
Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, you’re lucky.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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Re: Seeing AI issues

[Arlene]

Janet, the bar code reader in seeing ai isn't easy to work so that's why we use 
our sumiit scanner for reading bar codes.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:15 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues


  HI Arlene! 

  I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It has 
become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering purchasing 
the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable than the 
Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, you’re 
lucky.  

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

   

  Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow 
process, especially compared to the summit scanner.

   

  Arlene

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

 

Hi Richard, 

I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and 
others can’t. 

That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.  

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

 

Hello, 

Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.

For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.

The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.

I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.

I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Andy,
Ok, got it!
Thank you.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Both!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Andy,
Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader?
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

It’s “voice dream”


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Andy,
Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found

RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Richard,
Ok, so now, I need the Voice Dream reader, as well as the scanner, if I want to 
read PDF files.  It really doesn’t matter to me if I need both, just as long as 
these products will help me.  Well, my personal opinion regarding KNFB reader 
it is a lost cause!  I’m tired of working with these so called wonderful apps 
that don’t even work.
Thank you for your help.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.


Janet,
if the attachment is an image PDF, you would have to have VOICE Dream Reader 
and Voice Dream Scanner.
The Voice Dream Scanner app cannot access the attachments.
Or, if you still have KNFB Reader, you could try it with an attachment.
Though, I am doubtful it works very well now.
HTH,
Richard

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On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:36 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Richard,
So am I right in thinking if I received an email or text message with an 
attachment, I can use the scanner or the reader?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard

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any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.

RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

HI Arlene!
I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It has 
become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering purchasing 
the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable than the 
Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, you’re lucky.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, the Seeing AI app as we all know is free seems to work just fine for a 
lot of people. Why it doesn’t work for some I don’t know, but while I also 
don’t use the KNFB Reader app any more, I do use the Seeing AI app as well as 
Tap Tap See. I have not found either of these apps to have gone downhill and it 
sounds like Tap Tap See may soon get a big update which will make it even 
better.
I also bought Voice Dream Scanner and I do agree that it is an amazing app. If 
Andy’s logic applied then KNFB Reader which is super expensive compared to 
Voice Dream Scanner should win hands down, but that is definitely not the case. 
I also say that you get what you pay for in some situations, but it is not 
always the case and sometimes you pay more for something and you get less.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

What can you expect from something that is free?
That's just not the way the world works.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now,

RE: Seeing AI issues

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don’t often use the barcode channel, but all others and especially short text 
work great.
I often use the short text channel on my computer screen if for some reason 
Jaws quits or if there is an update in progress where Jaws doesn’t yet speak, I 
have used it on my washing machine’s LCD screen and I use it all the time if I 
quickly want to read a document but don’t have the need to save the result.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Evan Reese]

Okay, to be just a little more clear, there are two programs, one is called 
Voice Dream Reader, and the other is called Voice Dream Scanner.
Evan

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Both!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:32 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

  Andy, 

  Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader? 

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  It’s “voice dream”

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Andy, 

Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m 
not sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a 
camera, smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the 
moment. With my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading 
machine more now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Andy, 

May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

You get what you pay for!

 

Andy

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  HI Mary, 

  Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  Hi Janet,
  I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
  Mary

   

  Sent from my iPhone


  On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  
wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Janet,
if the attachment is an image PDF, you would have to have VOICE Dream Reader 
and Voice Dream Scanner.
The Voice Dream Scanner app cannot access the attachments.
Or, if you still have KNFB Reader, you could try it with an attachment.
Though, I am doubtful it works very well now.
HTH,
Richard


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On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:36 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Richard,
So am I right in thinking if I received an email or text message with an 
attachment, I can use the scanner or the reader?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard

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On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the best 
job scanning print.

It does not do columns yet, but for text on cans, prescription bottles, sheets 
of paper, there is nothing like it.

Richard


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Re: Seeing AI issues

[Arlene]

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues


  Hi Richard, 

  I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t. 

  That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.  

  Janet 

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
  To: ViPone list
  Subject: Seeing AI issues

   

  Hello, 

  Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.

  For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.

  The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.

  I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.

  I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

   

  Just my 2 cents worth.

   

  Richard

   

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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Andy Baracco]

Both!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:32 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.


  Andy, 

  Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader? 

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  It’s “voice dream”

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Andy, 

Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m 
not sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a 
camera, smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the 
moment. With my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading 
machine more now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Andy, 

May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

You get what you pay for!

 

Andy

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  HI Mary, 

  Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  Hi Janet,
  I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
  Mary

   

  Sent from my iPhone


  On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  
wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option never works for me either.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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that we go on.—Annie Proulx


On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

  Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app

RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com
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from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Richard,
So am I right in thinking if I received an email or text message with an 
attachment, I can use the scanner or the reader?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard

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any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the best 
job scanning print.

It does not do columns yet, but for text on cans, prescription bottles, sheets 
of paper, there is nothing like it.

Richard


Check out my web site at: 
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from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston C