Re: TapTapSee

[Richard]

Yes, it means that the camera was too close to the object.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "John J. Fioravanti, Jr." 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: TapTapSee


When after taking a picture with TapTapSee, by tapping the camera, the 
prompt says: "Picture Closed" without anything else, does that mean that the 
camera did not get a good picture?

Thanks.

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RE: TapTapSee

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

When after taking a picture with TapTapSee, by tapping the camera, the prompt 
says: "Picture Closed" without anything else, does that mean that the camera 
did not get a good picture?

Thanks. 

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Re: TapTapSee

[Richard Turner]

No, the screen brightness has nothing to do with the back camera.
No color identifier on a smart phone is going to be accurate, because there are 
too many factors that determine the appearance of color.
My wife is a quilter.
The light alone can change the appearance of fabric.
The amount of light will change it.
If you could guarantee the same light source, and exact same distance from the 
object, and had someone sighted there to explain what the real color was 
compared to what the amp says; you might be able to get closer as you learn 
what it says consistently.
So, if you need fairly reliable color identification, buy the Rainbow II color 
identifier.
It is a device that you push against the object, push a button and it tells you 
the color.
It has about 40 names, so it gets pretty close, at least in the same color 
range as what the object is.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 2, 2019, at 4:49 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:


Good morning: Normally in "Display in Brightness" under 
settings, I keep my screen settings as follows: dark is selected; I keep screen 
brightness at 0. If using TapTapSee, should I change these settings? My sighted 
friends tell me that TapTapSee is not recognizing colors accurately. Will 
changing my brightness help that recognition?
Thank you.

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Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

[Dave Jones]

Thank you very much for posting that article. I tried loading the same info
on yet another device and got the same error. I hope they fix the issue.

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 7:36 PM 'Marcio' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Am I the only one that's receiving an error message while trying to access
> the Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads failed to
> load?
>
> No, you aren't the only one. Apparently, many people seem to be facing
> this problem. I'm not sure why that is, though.
>
> Well, I'll paste the article below for you if that helps :)
>
> A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be coming
> to your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
> The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the
> next level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second.
> Image descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other
> products, with no cloud processing required.
> Here are a few examples given on their website:
>
>1. lot of multi-colored rotary phones
>2. round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
>3. 3x3 Rubik's cube
>*pair of men's black leather derby shoes
>
> Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by
> TapTapSee and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have been
> learning about objects and their surroundings for the past several years.
> Indeed, a test of TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions than in years
> past, including "Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups coffee maker
> under white cupboard".
> For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the cloud-based
> approach, though it is now theoretically possible for someone to create an
> app using the new on-device technology. Pricing for the new API was not
> immediately available.
> Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition
> can be used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt text
> for product pages.
> To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website
> .
>
> Cheers,
> Marcio  AKA *Starboy*
>
> Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

Dave,
Am I the only one that's receiving an error message while trying to 
access the Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads 
failed to load?
No, you aren't the only one. Apparently, many people seem to be facing 
this problem. I'm not sure why that is, though.


Well, I'll paste the article below for you if that helps :)

A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be 
coming to your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the 
next level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second. 
Image descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other 
products, with no cloud processing required.

Here are a few examples given on their website:

1. lot of multi-colored rotary phones
2. round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
3. 3x3 Rubik's cube
   *pair of men's black leather derby shoes

Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by 
TapTapSee and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have 
been learning about objects and their surroundings for the past several 
years. Indeed, a test of TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions 
than in years past, including "Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups 
coffee maker under white cupboard".
For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the 
cloud-based approach, though it is now theoretically possible for 
someone to create an app using the new on-device technology. Pricing for 
the new API was not immediately available.
Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition 
can be used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt 
text for product pages.
To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website 
.


Cheers,
Marcio 
AKA /Starboy/


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RE: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The link works for me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Jones
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 7:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image 
Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

 Am I the only one that’s receiving an error message while trying to access the 
Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads failed to load? I’ve 
tried this on multiple devices from multiple locations with the same result. 
Ads don’t load so articles and other content won’t load. I’m not using an ad 
blocker.



On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:06 PM 'Marcio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be coming to 
your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the next 
level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second. Image 
descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other products, 
with no cloud processing required.
Here are a few examples given on their website:

  *   lot of multi-colored rotary phones
  *   round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
  *   3x3 Rubik's cube
*pair of men's black leather derby shoes
Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by TapTapSee 
and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have been learning about 
objects and their surroundings for the past several years. Indeed, a test of 
TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions than in years past, including 
"Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups coffee maker under white cupboard".
For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the cloud-based 
approach, though it is now theoretically possible for someone to create an app 
using the new on-device technology. Pricing for the new API was not immediately 
available.
Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition can be 
used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt text for product 
pages.
To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website<https://cloudsight.ai/>.
Source: Blind Bargains<https://www.blindbargains.com/>

Cheers,
Marcio<https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA Starboy


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Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

[Dave Jones]

 Am I the only one that’s receiving an error message while trying to access
the Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads failed to
load? I’ve tried this on multiple devices from multiple locations with the
same result. Ads don’t load so articles and other content won’t load. I’m
not using an ad blocker.



On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:06 PM 'Marcio' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be coming
> to your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
> The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the
> next level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second.
> Image descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other
> products, with no cloud processing required.
> Here are a few examples given on their website:
>
>- lot of multi-colored rotary phones
>- round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
>- 3x3 Rubik's cube
>*pair of men's black leather derby shoes
>
> Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by
> TapTapSee and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have been
> learning about objects and their surroundings for the past several years.
> Indeed, a test of TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions than in years
> past, including "Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups coffee maker
> under white cupboard".
> For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the cloud-based
> approach, though it is now theoretically possible for someone to create an
> app using the new on-device technology. Pricing for the new API was not
> immediately available.
> Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition
> can be used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt text
> for product pages.
> To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website
> .
> Source: Blind Bargains 
>
> Cheers,
> Marcio  AKA *Starboy*
>
> Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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RE: TapTapSee

[Lelia]

I use both apps for different reasons, meaning that when I want something 
fairly quickly I use taptapsee 

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

With be my eyes, you connect to a real person somewhere and he/she tells  you 
what your camera is seeing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Malver
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

They are such different services. I love tap tap see, because I can take 
pictures and post them to Facebook, much as my cited counterparts do. Be my 
eyes doesn't have that sort of functionality, and should not, because it is a 
product recognition software.
OK, technically it is not product recognition, but it is designed for you to 
ask questions about things, rather than to simply know what a picture is that 
you have just taken.

Michael

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
> Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, i 
> would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
> taking pictures.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? 
>>> I don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been 
>>> a while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
>>>> update to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Malcolm
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RE: TapTapSee

[Larry Lumpkin]

With be my eyes, you connect to a real person somewhere and he/she tells  you 
what your camera is seeing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Malver
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

They are such different services. I love tap tap see, because I can take 
pictures and post them to Facebook, much as my cited counterparts do. Be my 
eyes doesn't have that sort of functionality, and should not, because it is a 
product recognition software.
OK, technically it is not product recognition, but it is designed for you to 
ask questions about things, rather than to simply know what a picture is that 
you have just taken.

Michael

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
> Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, i 
> would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
> taking pictures.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? 
>>> I don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been 
>>> a while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
>>>> update to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Michael Malver]

They are such different services. I love tap tap see, because I can take 
pictures and post them to Facebook, much as my cited counterparts do. Be my 
eyes doesn't have that sort of functionality, and should not, because it is a 
product recognition software.
OK, technically it is not product recognition, but it is designed for you to 
ask questions about things, rather than to simply know what a picture is that 
you have just taken.

Michael

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
> Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, i 
> would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
> taking pictures.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

I think that they either got a grant, or this is a last ditch effort to be 
relevant now that easier and more reliable alternatives are available.

Andy

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee
Why would you think the app would disappear. The developers know good and well 
what they're doing when they make the app free again.


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On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:52 PM -0800, "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
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I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
> 
> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>> 
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A big thank you I think!
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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, 
i would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
taking pictures.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sarai Bucciarelli

Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were 
reasionable.

On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:

Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sarai Bucciarelli

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I just bought a picture pack a month ago.

On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:

Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
while since I've downloaded it.


On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
update

to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.



A big thank you I think!



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Re: TapTapSee

[Devin Prater]

Oh gosh I hope not. Just look at what Fleksy has become.

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:18 PM -0800, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:










They probably got a grant like what happened to Fleksy.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

As I understand it, it's real people telling you what is seen in the picture 
you send when you take that picture.  I think it's important to remember 
that everybody and their sister was taking picture after picture just 
playing with the app rather then really needing to.  I include myself in 
that because tap tap see was the first app I had ever come across that could 
tell you what it sees.  Sense then, several other wanna-be apps came out but 
none was as good as Tap tap see so I guess we'll see how long it lasts so 
let's not go off the deep end again folks or the app might disappear.


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Jewel  wrote:
>
> I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
> I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told 
> that it was a green can
> with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
> The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with 
> short black coat, sleeping on
> the floor near an open door.
> I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
> should show a line of
> laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure 
> enough, when I checked, there
> was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and 
> was on green grass;  not all
> the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some 
> had was far more
> important.
>
> The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful 
> program.
> I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it 
> going, but that is due to my
> ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the 
> accessibility of the app.
>
>Jewel
>
> ----------
> From: "Lelia Struve" 
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
> I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to 
> go away or cancel the app
> or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good 
> news.
>
> Lelia
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
>>>> update
>>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

They probably got a grant like what happened to Fleksy.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Paganelli

Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

As I understand it, it's real people telling you what is seen in the picture 
you send when you take that picture.  I think it's important to remember 
that everybody and their sister was taking picture after picture just 
playing with the app rather then really needing to.  I include myself in 
that because tap tap see was the first app I had ever come across that could 
tell you what it sees.  Sense then, several other wanna-be apps came out but 
none was as good as Tap tap see so I guess we'll see how long it lasts so 
let's not go off the deep end again folks or the app might disappear.



Alan

Sent from my iPad Air


On Feb 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Jewel  wrote:

I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told 
that it was a green can

with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with 
short black coat, sleeping on

the floor near an open door.
I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
should show a line of
laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure 
enough, when I checked, there
was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and 
was on green grass;  not all
the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some 
had was far more

important.

The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful 
program.
I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it 
going, but that is due to my
ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the 
accessibility of the app.


   Jewel

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From: "Lelia Struve" 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to 
go away or cancel the app
or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good 
news.


Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 wrote:


I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  
wrote:


Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
while since I've downloaded it.



On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
update

to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.



A big thank you I think!



Malcolm

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[Devin Prater]

Why would you think the app would disappear. The developers know good and well 
what they're doing when they make the app free again.

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I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
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> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
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>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
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>>> A big thank you I think!
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I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
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> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>> 
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>> 
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>>> A big thank you I think!
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I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
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> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
> while since I've downloaded it.
> 
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> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
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Re: TapTapSee

[Alan Paganelli]

As I understand it, it's real people telling you what is seen in the picture 
you send when you take that picture.  I think it's important to remember that 
everybody and their sister was taking picture after picture just playing with 
the app rather then really needing to.  I include myself in that because tap 
tap see was the first app I had ever come across that could tell you what it 
sees.  Sense then, several other wanna-be apps came out but none was as good as 
Tap tap see so I guess we'll see how long it lasts so let's not go off the deep 
end again folks or the app might disappear.


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
> I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told 
> that it was a green can 
> with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
> The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with short 
> black coat, sleeping on 
> the floor near an open door.
> I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
> should show a line of 
> laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure enough, 
> when I checked, there 
> was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and was 
> on green grass;  not all 
> the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some had 
> was far more 
> important.
> 
> The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful program.
> I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it going, 
> but that is due to my 
> ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the accessibility 
> of the app.
> 
>Jewel
> 
> ----------
> From: "Lelia Struve" 
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to go 
> away or cancel the app 
> or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good news.
> 
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
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[Jewel]

I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told that 
it was a green can 
with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with short 
black coat, sleeping on 
the floor near an open door.
I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
should show a line of 
laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure enough, 
when I checked, there 
was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and was on 
green grass;  not all 
the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some had 
was far more 
important.

The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful program.
I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it going, 
but that is due to my 
ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the accessibility of 
the app.

Jewel

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Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to go 
away or cancel the app 
or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good news.

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>
>>
>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: TapTapSee

[Larry Lumpkin]

Does this mean that you no longer have to by picture packs?

 

 

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Monica Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Oh, this is great! I love Tap Tap See.

 

 

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List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update to 
TapTapSee it is now free to all users.

 

A big thank you I think!

 

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Re: TapTapSee

[Monica Jones]

Oh, this is great! I love Tap Tap See.


From: Malcolm Parfitt 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: TapTapSee

List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update to 
TapTapSee it is now free to all users.

 

A big thank you I think!

 

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Re: TapTapSee

[Lelia Struve]

I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to go 
away or cancel the app or anything like that which was what I was worried 
about. This is good news.

Lelia 

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> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>> 
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
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>>> A big thank you I think!
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Re: TapTapSee

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
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> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
> while since I've downloaded it.
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> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
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>> A big thank you I think!
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Re: TapTapSee

[Malcolm Parfitt]

That is my understanding free to use.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Feb 2016, at 16:25, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
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> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
> while since I've downloaded it.
> 
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>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
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>> A big thank you I think!
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Re: TapTapSee

[Shermeen Khan]

Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
while since I've downloaded it.


On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
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> A big thank you I think!
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Re: TapTapSee Also Broken in 8.3 was Facebook app

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Yep, definitely have same issues. Ugg.
> On Apr 11, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Steve  wrote:
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> Yeah, a bit annoying.
>  
> But, worst is that it appears to have broken TapTapSee and CamFind.  It may 
> have broken BeMyEyes also with the message unable to send image.
>  
> I tried uninstalling and re-installing Tap Tap See, but still no-go.
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Mary Otten 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:30 PM
> Subject: Facebook app now saying "product" in every story title
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> I think this may have started after I upgraded to I OS 8.3. Now, when I go 
> through my Facebook feed, every title of an article has the word product in 
> it. Is anybody else noticing this? It's kind of annoying. So I hope it can be 
> fixed.
> Mary
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Re: TapTapSee Also Broken in 8.3 was Facebook app

[Steve]

Yeah, a bit annoying.

But, worst is that it appears to have broken TapTapSee and CamFind.  It may 
have broken BeMyEyes also with the message unable to send image.

I tried uninstalling and re-installing Tap Tap See, but still no-go.


- Original Message - 
From: Mary Otten 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Facebook app now saying "product" in every story title


I think this may have started after I upgraded to I OS 8.3. Now, when I go 
through my Facebook feed, every title of an article has the word product in it. 
Is anybody else noticing this? It's kind of annoying. So I hope it can be fixed.
Mary


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Re: TapTapSee

[Alex Hall]

Sounds like you didn't give it access to the camera. Go to Settings then 
Privacy, then Camera. In the list of apps that appears, find TapTapSee and, if 
it's off, double tap to turn it on.
> On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:32 AM, DJ Reese  wrote:
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> Hi list:
> 
> Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
> time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
> failed.  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Marianne Denning]

I would agree with this, but, be aware, when the start up money runs
out you will probably have to pay for this service too.  I don't have
a problem with companies charging for these apps but it can be a
financial burden on some of us.

On 2/12/15, Sandratomkins  wrote:
> just a suggestion: for those who find tap tap See to be a useful app, do try
> "be my eyes".it is free and doesn't depend upon your ability to take
> adequate photographs.
>
> just a thought,
> Sandy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 11 Feb 2015, at 15:20, Debbie Downey 
>> wrote:
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>> I had that problem yesterday morning but then last night it was fine.
>> Maybe their server was having issues?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of DJ Reese
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 7:33 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: TapTapSee
>>
>> Hi list:
>>
>> Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and
>> each
>> time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture
>> failed.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>> DJ Reese
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Re: TapTapSee

[Sandratomkins]

just a suggestion: for those who find tap tap See to be a useful app, do try 
"be my eyes".it is free and doesn't depend upon your ability to take adequate 
photographs.

just a thought,
Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

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> I had that problem yesterday morning but then last night it was fine. Maybe 
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> Subject: TapTapSee
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> Hi list:
> 
> Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
> time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
> failed.  Thanks in advance.
> 
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RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Make sure you check in Settings, Privacy, Microphone to make sure you allowed 
access to the camera for Tap Tap See.

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Subject: TapTapSee

Hi list:

Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
failed.  Thanks in advance.

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RE: TapTapSee

[Debbie Downey]

I had that problem yesterday morning but then last night it was fine. Maybe 
their server was having issues?

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Subject: TapTapSee

Hi list:

Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
failed.  Thanks in advance.

DJ Reese

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Re: taptapsee on multiple devices

[Cheryl Homiak]

Just thought I should warn everybody that I was unable to get taptapsee to work 
on multiple devices - even two - without finally buying another subscription 
for another device. I contacted the taptapsee contact shown in the "about" 
section and was told they are working on having this work. So it appears that 
at this point if you want to subscribe to taptapsee on more than one device you 
either won't be able to do this or will end up with more than one subscription.


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> On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
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>> Hi all.
> 
> I got taptapsee and used my trial pictures on one device and then bought the 
> three-month unlimited package. I then used taptapsee on another of my devices 
> and was again given trial pictures. But when I was told I now had to buy 
> credits in order to continue using taptapsee, there didn't appear to be any 
> way to restore in-app purchases and it appeared that if I went through the 
> buying process I would be charged for another subscription. Maybe this 
> wouldn't have happened but I didn't want to have that happen and then have to 
> try to straighten things out. Is there a way to apply the purchase across 
> phones or would I not have been charged or do I have to buy separately for 
> each devvice on which I use taptapsee?
> 
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Re: taptapsee on multiple devices

[Chris Apple boy]

Hi all
The rule is any purchases made through the app store on any device 
connected with the same Apple Id results in you only being charged once. 
In-app purchases are no exception.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 09/04/2014 06:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

Hi all.


I got taptapsee and used my trial pictures on one device and then bought the 
three-month unlimited package. I then used taptapsee on another of my devices 
and was again given trial pictures. But when I was told I now had to buy 
credits in order to continue using taptapsee, there didn't appear to be any way 
to restore in-app purchases and it appeared that if I went through the buying 
process I would be charged for another subscription. Maybe this wouldn't have 
happened but I didn't want to have that happen and then have to try to 
straighten things out. Is there a way to apply the purchase across phones or 
would I not have been charged or do I have to buy separately for each devvice 
on which I use taptapsee?



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Re: TapTapSee repurchasing issue.

[Marianne Denning]

It is a 30 or 90 day unlimited package.  There isn't an unlimited
package forever.

On 3/16/14, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> I am trying to use TapTapSee, have purchased it, the unlimited package. But
> now, every time I go back into it it asks me to purchase again. I know this
> is been covered, and I apologize. What do I do?
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Re: TapTapSee question

[Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy]

Thanks.

Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone

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> There is a "Share" option on the toolbar at the top of the app.  This will 
> let you save or share the most recent picture you've taken with TapTap See.
> 
> Todd
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>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy 
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 Hi folks,
 I just bought my first subscription for the app and I seem to remember that
 you have to save the pictures somehow. How do you do this?
 
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Re: TapTapSee question

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There is a "Share" option on the toolbar at the top of the app.  This will
let you save or share the most recent picture you've taken with TapTap See.

Todd


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> Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy
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Re: TapTapSee question

[Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy]

What if it's pictures I want like my friend's wedding?

Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2014, at 15:59, Marianne Denning  wrote:
> 
> You don't have to save the picture.  I have never saved a picture.  I
> find out the information I need and go on.
> 
>> On 3/11/14, Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy  wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I just bought my first subscription for the app and I seem to remember that
>> you have to save the pictures somehow. How do you do this?
>> 
>> Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy
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Re: TapTapSee question

[Marianne Denning]

You don't have to save the picture.  I have never saved a picture.  I
find out the information I need and go on.

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Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Melanie,

That may be the reason. Try contacting iTunes Support, they may help you 
retrieve your previous purchase. Call (800) 
692-7753<1%20%28800%29%20692-7753>and ask them to transfer you to the iTunes 
Store department. Unfortunately 
we do not have access to distribute the in-app purchases, but they may be 
able to assist you in restoring your purchase.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee Team


On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:12:24 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:
>
> Thank you. I found the credit counter. That encourages me to purchase more 
> credits. I didn't want to purchase another 100 credits without having soome 
> way to monitor the loss of credits as I take pictures. I s AS i said, 
> there's absolutely no way I used 100 pictures in 3 weeks not when I varely 
> take 10 pictures a week. I'm wondering if having upgraded my phone to the 
> 5s from the 4 had anything to do with osing my credits. I upgraded less 
> than one week before TapTapSee reported that I'd used all my credits.
>
> Melanie
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:06 PM, TapTapSee > 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Melanie,
>
> If you have the latest version of TapTapSee then you will find a Credit 
> Counter in the About Menu. The menu is located in the top right corner of 
> the home screen. If you do not find the counter then update to the latest 
> version of TapTapSee in the App Store.
>
> Best Wishes,
> TapTapSee
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:07:33 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:
>>
>> Have they added a counter to the TapTapSee app that counts the number of 
>> pictures taken? I've purchased a 100 picture package for $8 on 11/13 and 
>> now I'm being told I've used my 100 pictures already. That noticed started 
>> a week ago. There's no way I used that many pics in 3 weeks. I barely use 
>> 10 pics each week. I love the app and don't mind spending the $8 for 100 
>> pics but I want to be sure that I get my 100 pics for the $8. 
>>
>>
>> Melanie
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Re: TapTapSee

[Melanie Clouser]

Thank you. I found the credit counter. That encourages me to purchase more 
credits. I didn't want to purchase another 100 credits without having soome way 
to monitor the loss of credits as I take pictures. I s AS i said, there's 
absolutely no way I used 100 pictures in 3 weeks not when I varely take 10 
pictures a week. I'm wondering if having upgraded my phone to the 5s from the 4 
had anything to do with osing my credits. I upgraded less than one week before 
TapTapSee reported that I'd used all my credits.

Melanie
On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:06 PM, TapTapSee  wrote:

> Hello Melanie,
> 
> If you have the latest version of TapTapSee then you will find a Credit 
> Counter in the About Menu. The menu is located in the top right corner of the 
> home screen. If you do not find the counter then update to the latest version 
> of TapTapSee in the App Store.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> TapTapSee
> 
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:07:33 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:
> Have they added a counter to the TapTapSee app that counts the number of 
> pictures taken? I've purchased a 100 picture package for $8 on 11/13 and now 
> I'm being told I've used my 100 pictures already. That noticed started a week 
> ago. There's no way I used that many pics in 3 weeks. I barely use 10 pics 
> each week. I love the app and don't mind spending the $8 for 100 pics but I 
> want to be sure that I get my 100 pics for the $8. 
> 
> 
> Melanie
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Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Hello Melanie,

If you have the latest version of TapTapSee then you will find a Credit 
Counter in the About Menu. The menu is located in the top right corner of 
the home screen. If you do not find the counter then update to the latest 
version of TapTapSee in the App Store.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:07:33 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:
>
> Have they added a counter to the TapTapSee app that counts the number of 
> pictures taken? I've purchased a 100 picture package for $8 on 11/13 and 
> now I'm being told I've used my 100 pictures already. That noticed started 
> a week ago. There's no way I used that many pics in 3 weeks. I barely use 
> 10 pics each week. I love the app and don't mind spending the $8 for 100 
> pics but I want to be sure that I get my 100 pics for the $8. 
>
>
> Melanie

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Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

Why do you need tap tap see to allow you to post to facebook, twitter,
or any other service? that is not the objective and reason why tap tap
see exist.
If you want to take a photo, and ask your fellow friend or on social
media on that photo, like Sieghard said, you can do it directly from
'Photo' itself, or on any of the social media apps. Or, if you
spacificly looking for ddiscription, VizWiz provide you with the
option to take a photo, and you can choose to email, twitter,
facebook, ask google, or ask volunteer for help.
That beside the point. The point is Tap Tap sSee allows you to
identify a photo, or an object. Not as a entertainment tol for you to
twitt, facebooking, or entertain yourself and your friends around.
This is why, yet another reason why Tap Tap See charge for their service.

On 16/11/2013, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> You can use other apps to post to Facebook, in fact, you can do so right
> from the Camera roll.
>
> Implementing additional features like a text box where one could ask a
> question is according to Tap Tap See something they are exploring, but of
> course in the meantime they still incur the cost for recognition so even if
> you buy the 100 pictures for $7.99 which may last you several months you at
> least show your support and help them to develop and improve the app
> further.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jerry MAder
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: TapTapSee
>
> I agree with Cara.
>
> I would love to pay for the service but to me it's gotta be worth my time
> to
> pay for it.
>
> And there should be a way to ask a question with the picture. Plus, you
> should allow for a free version that allows for you to post your pic to
> facebook, email, and twitter and not your services until someone pay for
> that option. That's my thoughts.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cara Quinn
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 6:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
> less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.
>
>
>
> I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
> end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
> had as the answers I continued to get were:
>
>
>
> tin of tea
>
>
>
> Can of food
>
>
>
> Orange can
>
>
>
> Republic of Tea
>
>
>
> etc
>
>
>
> I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
> have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
> love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
> important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins
> of
> that brand of tea.
>
>
>
> So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
> information. Does this make sense?
>
>
>
> I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as
> that
> service is what we need.
>
>
>
> So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
> actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
> impressed. :)
>
>
>
> So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have
> the
> proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.
>
>
>
> Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!
>
>
>
> Smiles,
>
>
>
> cara :)
>
> On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee  wrote:
>
>
>
> Alan,
>
>
>
> A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
> opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and
> improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
> the main focus for us.
>
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
> wrote:
>
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be
> a
> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
> paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just 

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can use other apps to post to Facebook, in fact, you can do so right
from the Camera roll.

Implementing additional features like a text box where one could ask a
question is according to Tap Tap See something they are exploring, but of
course in the meantime they still incur the cost for recognition so even if
you buy the 100 pictures for $7.99 which may last you several months you at
least show your support and help them to develop and improve the app
further.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry MAder
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

I agree with Cara.

I would love to pay for the service but to me it's gotta be worth my time to
pay for it.

And there should be a way to ask a question with the picture. Plus, you
should allow for a free version that allows for you to post your pic to
facebook, email, and twitter and not your services until someone pay for
that option. That's my thoughts.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

 

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
had as the answers I continued to get were:

 

tin of tea

 

Can of food

 

Orange can

 

Republic of Tea

 

etc

 

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of
that brand of tea.

 

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
information. Does this make sense?

 

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that
service is what we need.

 

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
impressed. :)

 

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

 

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

 

Smiles,

 

cara :)

On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee  wrote:

 

Alan,

 

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and
improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
the main focus for us.

 

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee   

To: vip...@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as "failed"?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got th

RE: TapTapSee

[Jerry MAder]

I was gonna say the same thing.

It isn't like we have eyes to see where the picture is at or how to get a
good shot.

We shouldn't be charged for that. It's not like we can just magically have a
sighted person by us 24:7 to make sure we got all of the picture in the
camera.

Jerry Mader

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

It's not the blind person's fault either. Geesh! Doesn't anyone have any
common sense?

 

Andy

 

From: DJ <mailto:grou...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:31 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: TapTapSee

Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault
that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and
easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
rediculous.  And that's my opinion.

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee <mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com>  

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this
App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I
think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about this. Why sudden
change I wonder. Ruby

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RE: TapTapSee

[Jerry MAder]

I agree with Cara.

I would love to pay for the service but to me it's gotta be worth my time to
pay for it.

And there should be a way to ask a question with the picture. Plus, you
should allow for a free version that allows for you to post your pic to
facebook, email, and twitter and not your services until someone pay for
that option. That's my thoughts.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

 

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
had as the answers I continued to get were:

 

tin of tea

 

Can of food

 

Orange can

 

Republic of Tea

 

etc

 

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of
that brand of tea.

 

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
information. Does this make sense?

 

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that
service is what we need.

 

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
impressed. :)

 

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

 

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

 

Smiles,

 

cara :)

On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee  wrote:

 

Alan,

 

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and
improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
the main focus for us.

 

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee   

To: vip...@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as "failed"?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the s

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

It is entirely possible. I have such a horrible memory for names, that I do not 
remember the name of the company.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Nov 2013, at 15:49, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> 
>  Ameripage?  By any chance could that have been 
> 
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5s
> 
> On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:I 
> 
>> Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice was 
>> mail for my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month 
>> for the voice mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber 
>> special for involved with them.$150 for lifetime service. This was at the 
>> time just before cell phones started becoming popular. Well, lifetime 
>> service, including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a bargain. I would pay it 
>> off in 15 months and never need to worry about paying for that service again.
>> 
>> After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the 
>> company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people 
>> were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still 
>> had to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could 
>> not meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I 
>> needed to find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional 
>> materials to a new phone number since I lost the pager number when the 
>> company went out of business.
>> 
>> Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the 
>> company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.
>> 
>> So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on 
>> their ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of 
>> service..
>> 
>> Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in 
>> the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I 
>> read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which 
>> university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still 
>> have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US 
>> government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer 
>> VizWiz will continue running.
>> 
>> We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for 
>> several months, because of some conflict with Google.
>> 
>> Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about 
>> prices of ongoing services.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Juan Hernandez]

I have never seen an issue with paying a monthly fee for something like tap
tap see.  You are right, company's finances only last as long as their
revenue keeps coming.  I would pay a monthly fee for tap tap see.  After
all, devices that help identify stuff can cost over a thousand dollars at
times.

 

Best,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 

 Ameripage?  By any chance could that have been 

 

 

Alan

 

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote:I 

Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice was
mail for my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month
for the voice mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber
special for involved with them.$150 for lifetime service. This was at the
time just before cell phones started becoming popular. Well, lifetime
service, including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a bargain. I would pay it
off in 15 months and never need to worry about paying for that service
again.

After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the
company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people
were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still
had to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could
not meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I
needed to find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional
materials to a new phone number since I lost the pager number when the
company went out of business.

Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the
company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.

So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on
their ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of
service..

Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in
the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I
read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which
university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still
have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US
government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer
VizWiz will continue running.

We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for
several months, because of some conflict with Google.

Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about
prices of ongoing services.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> 

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Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Alan Paganelli]

 Ameripage?  By any chance could that have been 



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s

> On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:I 
> 
> Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice was 
> mail for my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month 
> for the voice mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber special 
> for involved with them.$150 for lifetime service. This was at the time just 
> before cell phones started becoming popular. Well, lifetime service, 
> including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a bargain. I would pay it off in 15 
> months and never need to worry about paying for that service again.
> 
> After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the 
> company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people 
> were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still 
> had to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could 
> not meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I needed 
> to find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional materials 
> to a new phone number since I lost the pager number when the company went out 
> of business.
> 
> Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the 
> company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.
> 
> So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on 
> their ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of 
> service..
> 
> Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in 
> the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I 
> read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which 
> university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still 
> have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US 
> government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer 
> VizWiz will continue running.
> 
> We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for 
> several months, because of some conflict with Google.
> 
> Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about 
> prices of ongoing services.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

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Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice mail for 
my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month for the voice 
mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber special for $150 for 
lifetime service. This was at the time just before cell phones started becoming 
popular. Well, lifetime service, including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a 
bargain. I would pay it off in 15 months and never need to worry about paying 
for that service again.

After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the 
company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people 
were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still had 
to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could not 
meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I needed to 
find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional materials to a 
new phone number since I lost the pager number when the company went out of 
business.

Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the 
company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.

So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on their 
ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of service.

Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in 
the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I 
read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which 
university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still 
have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US 
government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer VizWiz 
will continue running.

We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for 
several months, because of some conflict with Google.

Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about 
prices of ongoing services.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:42, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
> 
> It's like any service you use. You can't use your car without
> purchasing gas, any appliances TV's etc without buying electricity,.
> you are paying for a service. Any service you receive is not done for
> free.
> 
>> On 11/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Andy,
>> 
>> Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it
>> which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car
>> nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance.
>> In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains
>> is
>> the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the
>> service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems
>> you are part of will just have to find other still free options.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
>> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds
>> like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine,
>> wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are
>> doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such
>> as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
>> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> Hi Carol,
>> 
>> No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
>> really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
>> does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
>> Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
>> real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
>> sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.
>> 
>> Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
>> other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[John Diakogeorgiou]

It's like any service you use. You can't use your car without
purchasing gas, any appliances TV's etc without buying electricity,.
you are paying for a service. Any service you receive is not done for
free.

On 11/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it
> which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car
> nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance.
> In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains
> is
> the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the
> service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems
> you are part of will just have to find other still free options.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>
> The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds
> like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine,
> wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are
> doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such
> as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>
> Hi Carol,
>
> No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
> really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
> does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
> Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
> real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
> sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.
>
> Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
> other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
> to start charging or shut the service down completely.
>
> If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their
> 100
> picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
> send and receive a reply/description.
> If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
> for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
> 1,000 pictures.
> The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
> which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
> pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the
> 100
> picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
> go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have
> 78
> left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
> 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
> unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
> have done so for a lot less.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Carol Forrester
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>
> can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
> actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov
> 2013,
> at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:
>
>> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
>> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the
>> app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide
>> if it
> is
>> acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the
> money
>> to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen
>> it,
> know
>> how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose
>> to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Andy,

Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it
which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car
nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance.
In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains is
the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the
service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems
you are part of will just have to find other still free options.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds
like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine,
wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are
doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such
as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100
picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013,
at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:

> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every 
> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the 
> app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide 
> if it
is
> acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the
money
> to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen 
> it,
know
> how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose 
> to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
>
> Wayne
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>
> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions 
> on
how
> to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should 
> not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the 
> product
or
> parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not 
> charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough 
> to be of
any
> use.
>
> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
>> Cara,
>>
>> Our technology involves

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think it's much like buying a car, although if gas prices were 
high enough, maybe gas companies would give away cars and you'd just 
have to pay for the gas from them to run your car. I don't think this is 
a new trend, but when your selling a service or content rather than a 
piece of hardware or a stand alone software application, it's frequently 
the case that you give away the hardware or the application and then 
charge for the service or the content.


On 11/11/2013 04:00 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? 
Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for 
the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many 
developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the 
various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game 
Time.


Andy


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee


Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it 
on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often 
by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the 
result is

sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from 
maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either 
had

to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying 
their 100

picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of 
$9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no 
pictures or

1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy 
the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures 
won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still 
have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then 
after

5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you 
could

have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:


If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case 
the app

was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it

is

acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the

money

to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it,

know

how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on

how
to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they 
should not

be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product

or
parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not 
charge

for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of

any

use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:

Cara,

Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do
not use volunteers.

On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll
be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing
effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with

their

iDevices.

We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the
best tips about taking picture, then we can have a

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds 
like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, 
wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are 
doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such 
as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee


Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100
picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:


If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it

is

acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the

money

to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it,

know

how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on

how

to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product

or

parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of

any

use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:

Cara,

Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do
not use volunteers.

On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll
be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing
effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with

their

iDevices.

We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the
best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource
for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each
other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:


HI John and All,

While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea
that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take
good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not
quite accurate.

As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even
thou

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Carol.  Not sure I understand your question.  Tap Tap See has been a free
app and service but has decided they need to charge to keep this service
going.  They will be charging $8 to receive and recognize 100 pictures.  Or
you can subscribe to a monthly service with unlimited number of pictures for
$10 per month.  Some members are objecting to having to pay at all.  Most
accept the need to pay but some object to having to pay for ongoing use of
the service.  There are also objections to being charged to interpret a
picture if it is too blurred for an interpreter to recognize what they are
seeing.  Tap Tap See must pay the interpreter for attempting to recognize
the object but some think that Tap Tap See should absorb the cost because
the user is blind.  There are others who object to paying for a picture when
the interpreter fails to provide useful information about it.  Currently
there is no way for the user to say exactly what information is required.
Tap Tap See points out that they must pay the interpreter even if they don't
provide enough information so the user must still pay for the picture.
   Some, like myself, feel that Tap Tap See has a right to set the terms and
conditions and also to decide how they will charge for the service.  The
user has the right to decide whether or not they wish to use the service and
pay for it.  Many have said they wouldn't mind paying for the app if they
could get unlimited use of the service for that flat price.  Tap Tap See
will still have the ongoing cost of paying the people who look at each
picture whether or not those people can provide useful information.  I guess
credit means a picture in this particular case.  It would be kinda nice if
folks would just decide whether they want the service enough to pay for it
and get on with life.  One can easily spend $8 or more in a trip to
Starbucks and no one seems to think it unfair that they are asked to do it
again every time they go back to Starbucks.  The only difference I see here
is that the customers are blind.  I guess I do see a point that we should be
given the chance to tell the interpreter what information we need and expect
them to provide that information or a reason why they cannot.  I would
expect Starbucks to take it back if I asked for coffee and they gave me
eggnog with no coffee in it.  Nevertheless I am willing to pay for the
service under the current terms and advocate with these very responsive
developers for improving the product.  They can't improve the product if
they go broke.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013,
at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:

> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every 
> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the 
> app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide 
> if it is acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is 
> worth the money to him or her.  Should really does not really enter 
> it.  We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually 
> if that is how we choose to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.
Thanks.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
> 
> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions 
> on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they 
> should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to 
> use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should 
> not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not 
> centered enough to be of any use.
> 
> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
>> Cara,
>> 
>> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we 
>> do not use volunteers.
>> 
>> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
>> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
>> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with 
>> their
> iDevices.
>> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
>> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
>> fo

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100
picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:

> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
> was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it
is
> acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the
money
> to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it,
know
> how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
> spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
> 
> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on
how
> to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
> be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product
or
> parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
> for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of
any
> use.
> 
> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
>> Cara,
>> 
>> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
>> not use volunteers.
>> 
>> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
>> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
>> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with
their
> iDevices.
>> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
>> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
>> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
>> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> TapTapSee
>> 
>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI John and All,
>>> 
>>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
>>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
>>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
>>> quite accurate.
>>> 
>>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
>>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
>>> the idea of
>>> 
>>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, ve

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

No, buying credits means buying service from the app. The price of the app in 
the app store is free. Credits permit you to submit pictures if you do not want 
to pay the $9.95 subscription fee.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Nov 2013, at 8:37, Carol Forrester  wrote:
> 
> can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually 
> mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
>> On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:
>> 
>> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
>> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
>> was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
>> acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
>> to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
>> how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
>> spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
>> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
>> to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
>> be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
>> parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
>> for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
>> use.
>> 
>>> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
>>> Cara,
>>> 
>>> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
>>> not use volunteers.
>>> 
>>> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
>>> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
>>> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
>> iDevices.
>>> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
>>> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
>>> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
>>> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> TapTapSee
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI John and All,
>>>> 
>>>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
>>>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
>>>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
>>>> quite accurate.
>>>> 
>>>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
>>>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
>>>> the idea of
>>>> 
>>>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
>>>> seriously.
>>>> 
>>>> So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
>>>> responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
>>>> that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
>>>> submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
>>>> returned to the customer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
>>>> to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
>>>> by this
>>>> 
>>>> app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
>>>> I do
>>>> 
>>>> think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
>>>> experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
>>>> these
>>>> 
>>>> to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
>>>> responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
>>>> CamFind (which is also from the

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Carol Forrester]

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually 
mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:

> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
> was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
> acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
> to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
> how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
> spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
> 
> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
> to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
> be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
> parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
> for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
> use.
> 
> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
>> Cara,
>> 
>> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
>> not use volunteers.
>> 
>> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
>> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
>> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
> iDevices.
>> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
>> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
>> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
>> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> TapTapSee
>> 
>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI John and All,
>>> 
>>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
>>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
>>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
>>> quite accurate.
>>> 
>>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
>>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
>>> the idea of
>>> 
>>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
>>> seriously.
>>> 
>>> So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
>>> responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
>>> that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
>>> submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
>>> returned to the customer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
>>> to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
>>> by this
>>> 
>>> app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
>>> I do
>>> 
>>> think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
>>> experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
>>> these
>>> 
>>> to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
>>> responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.
>>> 
>>> I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
>>> CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also 
>>> offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model 
>>> will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need 
>>> this app will find  useful, convenient and affordable.
>>> 
>>> I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, 
>>> which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities 
>>> for just this
>>> 
>>> type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact 
>>> service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give 
>>> many users here some idea of what is happening behind the

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
> Cara,
>
> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
> not use volunteers.
>
> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
iDevices.
> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
>
> Best Wishes,
> TapTapSee
>
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
>>
>> HI John and All,
>>
>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
>> quite accurate.
>>
>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
>> the idea of
>>
>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
>> seriously.
>>
>> So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
>> responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
>> that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
>> submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
>> returned to the customer.
>>
>>
>> Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
>> to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
>> by this
>>
>> app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
>> I do
>>
>> think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
>> experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
>> these
>>
>> to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
>> responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.
>>
>> I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
>> CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also 
>> offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model 
>> will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need 
>> this app will find  useful, convenient and affordable.
>>
>> I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, 
>> which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities 
>> for just this
>>
>> type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact 
>> service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give 
>> many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to 
>> power this app so that
>>
>> you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's 
>> always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you 
>> use so
>>
>> that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important 
>> for the
>>
>> visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately 
>> from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for 
>> necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically 
>> handed out for

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[John Diakogeorgiou]

aight,
>> etc. That can be done with a different package which doesn't cost
>> money. In fact with technology it has been proven that yes we can even
>> drive a car (probably better than some of the sighted people out
>> there.)
>>
>> On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco > wrote:
>> > This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
>> blind
>> > person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like
>> taking
>> > pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like
>> asking a
>> > blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
>> >
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > From: David Chittenden
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>> > To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> > Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> > So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>> >
>> > If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying
>> TapTapSee
>> > should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for
>> you
>> > to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
>> >
>> > argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
>> >
>> > resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
>> >
>> the
>> > picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
>> difficult to
>> > ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good
>> pictures
>> > actually cost the company more to process compared with your good,
>> precise
>> > pictures.
>> >
>> > Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month.
>> >
>> In
>> > other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just
>> >
>> a
>> > small premium above the 100 picture package.
>> >
>> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> > Email: dchit...@gmail.com 
>> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"
>> > >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >  the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera
>> >
>> is
>> > aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>> >
>> >
>> >  From: Bill Gallik
>> >  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>> >  To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> >  Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> >
>> >  Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
>> >
>> > in-hand products.
>> >  
>> >  Holland's Boy, Bill
>> >  - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
>> >  - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought
>> movement,
>> > 1883–1970
>> >- Original Message -
>> >From: Alan Paganelli
>> >To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
>> >Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> >
>> >Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving
>> the
>> > iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.
>>  That's
>> > helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would
>> >
>> be a
>> > successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in
>> reality,
>> > I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
>> > paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned
>> >
>> that
>> > I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the
>> hundred
>> > picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it
>> right,
>> > then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.
>> >
>>  The
>> > same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.
>>  Box
>> > of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>> >---
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Alan
>> >
>> >Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> >
>> >Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act
>> now!
>> > Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> >
>> >Please click on:
>> >

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Joanne,

I am not looking for a tripod attachment to take pictures of items, I can do
that just fine free hand.

However, I do sometimes want to video record a presentation when I am at a
show for my retail store and at that point I would like something like David
described which you slide the iPhone into, some sort of frame that goes
around the edges and which then has the standard thread at the bottom where
you could screw it onto a standard photo tripod.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in this
sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin adaptor or
a lightning adaptor.
If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
leaning against something.
I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes, for
example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the box, and
use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the other hand taking
the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural light, or have your kitchen
light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10 chance to have the front photo of
the box.
If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the edge of
the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with proper
lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on, again, you
will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible enough for other
to identify the object.

For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try apps
like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to your friend or
social media to ask for help.


On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden  wrote:
> If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind 
> person can pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire 
> the training to improve their skills so that they do not need to use 
> so many pictures. This is, in fact, solely the blind person's
responsibility.
>
> And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done 
> such training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather 
> expensive. Then again, I figure out how each client learns and train 
> each person based on how they learn rather than following a generic 
> manual. In other words, mine is a premium service, and people who hire 
> me pay a premium price because they want the customised training.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
>>
>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that 
>> a blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to 
>> something like taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking 
>> poor photos is like asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him 
>> for having a traffic accident.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> From: David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>>
>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying 
>> TapTapSee should be responsible for the factors which make it more 
>> difficult for you to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At 
>> no point during your argument do you acknowledge the fact that 
>> TapTapSee must spend the same resources to identify, or attempt 
>> identification, whether the picture is the picture you intended or 
>> not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
>> require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures 
>> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good,
precise pictures.
>>
>> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per 
>> month. In other words, they are willing to be responsible for your 
>> errors at just a small premium above the 100 picture package.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my 
>>> camera is aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bill Gallik
>>> Sen

Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Hello Keith,

I'm not sure I understand your suggestion fully. Can you please try 
explaining it again?

Also, to clear something up, "Failed to send" or "Timed out" photos are 
ones that never get sent to our server.

Best Wishes,
Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 3:30:48 PM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
wrote:
>
>  I wonder if there’d be a way the folks at TapTapSee would have to 
> received photos that didn’t fail but that didn’t meet the users needs as 
> described by Cara, with descriptions of why it wasn’t successful from the 
> end-users standpoint, to learn from a sighted TapTapSee perspective what 
> the real-world problems being encountered actually were. Could it be the 
> the desired text is too small for TapTapSee to recognize, or could the 
> contrast of the desired text against the background not be enough to permit 
> TapTapSee to read it, etc?
>
>  
>
> I would think TapTapSee developers would be interested in this kind of 
> real-world feedback, and include a mechanism to permit the sending of 
> unsuccessful (not failed) photos, with a description. Note, this would not 
> be intended to provide the end-user the originally desired answer, but 
> rather to permit TapTapSee developers to learn what kinds of limitations 
> were being encountered, and hopefully this info would permit further 
> improvements.
>
>  
>
> Keith.
>
>  
>  
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> vip...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Cara Quinn
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 09, 2013 5:16 PM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>  
>  
>
> Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be 
> less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.
>  
>  
>  
> I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in 
> the end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the 
> tea I had as the answers I continued to get were:
>  
>  
>  
> tin of tea
>  
>  
>  
> Can of food
>  
>  
>  
> Orange can
>  
>  
>  
> Republic of Tea
>  
>  
>  
> etc
>  
>  
>  
> I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did 
> have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love 
> love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
> important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins 
> of that brand of tea.
>  
>  
>  
> So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
> information. Does this make sense?
>  
>  
>  
> I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as 
> that service is what we need.
>  
>  
>  
> So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is 
> actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty 
> impressed. :)
>  
>  
>  
> So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have 
> the proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.
>  
>  
>  
> Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!
>  
>  
>  
> Smiles,
>  
>  
>  
> cara :)
>   
> On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee > 
> wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> Alan,
>  
>  
>  
> A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
> opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and 
> improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always 
> the main focus for us.
>  
>  
>  
> Best Wishes,
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.netwrote:
>  
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be 
> a successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in 
> reality, I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a 
> problem paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just 
> concerned that I get the information I need with out being over charged.  
> With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten 
> shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out 
> what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is 
> not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>  
> ---
>  
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
>  
> Alan
>  
>  
&g

RE: TapTapSee

[rubyalphonse]

Hi David, I totally agree with you. There are things I have done, after
hearing from people, that blind cannot do this, Cheers Ruby

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Yes, and with training, a blind person definitely becomes a better driver. I
started riding a bicycle, by myself, when I was 10. My friends used to ride
their bikes behind me and shout out directions to me. My father did not
learn that we were riding all over the city until I was 17. I have been
blind since birth.

 

In other words, anything can be learned, and can improve with training and
practice.

 

Unlike you, I actually have a very high opinion of what blind people are
capable of doing. This may well be because I have done many of the things
they say blind people cannot do, and I continue to challenge those
stereotypes regularly.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 10 Nov 2013, at 16:51, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:

To ask a blind person to get better at taking pictures is like asking a
blind person to be a better driver.

 

Andy

 

From: Alex <mailto:mehg...@gmail.com>  Hall 

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Cc: Dawn Petty <mailto:petty.d...@comcast.net>  

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I'm not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image
is a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took
resources to identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a
perfect one, therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will
motivate people to get better at taking pictures. :)

On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee  wrote:





Dawn, 

 

The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is
because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back
to your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count
is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to
identify them.

 

To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few
other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that
feature in without ruining the user experience.

 

Best Wishes,

Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote: 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee   

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: vip...@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 


 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee


 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through yo

Re: TapTapSee

[Regina Alvarado]

Hello, I have no problem paying for the 100 pack as I do  not use Tap Tap See 
all that much, but my biggest problem with it is that I get the wrong info. I 
want the color and I get it is a shirt. I want to support a way to communicate 
what is needed. I think I would use much more if I got the info I wanted. I 
might even subscribe but as is now, only 100 pics.


reggie and Allegra

On Nov 9, 2013, at 5:17 PM, TapTapSee  wrote:

Alex and Dawn,

We are actually compiling a list of tips and tricks to improve the quality of 
the pictures that our users are taking. That list will be added to our website. 
I have already shared some of the tips in a thread titled, "Taking Pictures 
With TapTapSee." Feel free to add some of your own tips to it. I think that if 
everyone gives their secret to getting the best identification, then we'll have 
a truly valuable resource available for everyone.

Also, Alex, I'd like to say that I'm happy that you understand our position. 
Thank you for the support.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee


> On Saturday, November 9, 2013 2:10:16 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
> not if you have to open the box just to find out, lol.
>  
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:08 AM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: TapTapSee
>  
> Hi Alan,
> 
>  
> 
> There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an 
> admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not free, 
> but it’s a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the 
> information is usually 100% correct.
> 
>  
> 
> Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted 
> Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and 
> you’ll know! Anyhow, don’t you like surprises *smile*
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sieghard
> 
>  
> 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
>  
> 
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
> forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful 
> but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, 
> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying. 
>  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get 
> the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture 
> plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it 
> would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same 
> thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of 
> Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
> 
> ---
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Alan
> 
>  
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
> 
>  
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
>  
> 
> Please click on: 
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: TapTapSee
> 
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> 
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
> 
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
>  
> 
> Paula,
> 
> We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
> count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
> identification to your phone.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
> 
> What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
> picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
> were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
> shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
> failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
> 
> God bless!
> 
> Paula and Babe
> 
>  
> 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> TapTapSee
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
>  
> 
> Donna,
> 
> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7t

Re: TapTapSee

[Alan Paganelli]

Well said Cara.  Sometimes you need somebody else to say the same thing only a 
different way.  I suspect though that the answer will be a picture received by 
them is a picture charged to your account.  Or as my brother is so fond of 
saying to me almost every chance he gets, poopoo occurs.  
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cara Quinn 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:15 PM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be less 
than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.


  I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the 
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I had 
as the answers I continued to get were:


  tin of tea


  Can of food


  Orange can


  Republic of Tea


  etc


  I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did 
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love 
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of 
that brand of tea.


  So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
information. Does this make sense?


  I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that 
service is what we need.


  So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is 
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty 
impressed. :)


  So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the 
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.


  Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!


  Smiles,


  cara :)
  On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee  wrote:


  Alan,


  A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and improve 
our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always the main 
focus for us.


  Best Wishes,

  On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm 
looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm 
not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the 
information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan 
at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would 
cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with 
boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted 
Flakes is.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: TapTapSee 
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  Paula, 
  We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to 
only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to 
get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of 
the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@g

Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

I have a plustic foulded stand, the size of an iPhone. I've been given
that from one of the qr-code developer last year.
I do use it ocationally though, for different purposes.

On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden  wrote:
> Joanne,
>
> Actually, tripods exist which clamp around the sides of the iPhone rather
> than using the 30-pin slot or lightning slot. Amazon has a wide selection of
> different types of these tripods.
>
> I purchased a small tripod last year, but it does not have a clamp to secure
> it to the surface. Unfortunately, this means it does not meet my needs.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 23:53, Joanne Chua  wrote:
>>
>> Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in
>> this sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin
>> adaptor or a lightning adaptor.
>> If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
>> leaning against something.
>> I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
>> responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
>> If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes,
>> for example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the
>> box, and use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the
>> other hand taking the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural
>> light, or have your kitchen light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10
>> chance to have the front photo of the box.
>> If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the
>> edge of the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with
>> proper lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on,
>> again, you will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible
>> enough for other to identify the object.
>>
>> For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try
>> apps like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to
>> your friend or social media to ask for help.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person
>>> can
>>> pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training
>>> to
>>> improve their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures.
>>> This
>>> is, in fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.
>>>
>>> And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done
>>> such
>>> training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then
>>> again, I figure out how each client learns and train each person based
>>> on
>>> how they learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words,
>>> mine
>>> is a premium service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because
>>> they want the customised training.
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
>>>> blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something
>>>> like
>>>> taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is
>>>> like
>>>> asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> From: David Chittenden
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>>>>
>>>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying
>>>> TapTapSee
>>>> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for
>>>> you
>>>> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
>>>> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
>>>> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture
>>>> is
>>>> the picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
>>>> difficult to ascertain require more resources to be used, so your
>>>> not-so-good pictur

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Joanne,

Actually, tripods exist which clamp around the sides of the iPhone rather than 
using the 30-pin slot or lightning slot. Amazon has a wide selection of 
different types of these tripods.

I purchased a small tripod last year, but it does not have a clamp to secure it 
to the surface. Unfortunately, this means it does not meet my needs.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 23:53, Joanne Chua  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in
> this sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin
> adaptor or a lightning adaptor.
> If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
> leaning against something.
> I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
> responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
> If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes,
> for example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the
> box, and use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the
> other hand taking the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural
> light, or have your kitchen light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10
> chance to have the front photo of the box.
> If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the
> edge of the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with
> proper lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on,
> again, you will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible
> enough for other to identify the object.
> 
> For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try
> apps like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to
> your friend or social media to ask for help.
> 
> 
>> On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person can
>> pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training to
>> improve their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures. This
>> is, in fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.
>> 
>> And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done such
>> training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then
>> again, I figure out how each client learns and train each person based on
>> how they learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words, mine
>> is a premium service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because
>> they want the customised training.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
>>> blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like
>>> taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like
>>> asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic
>>> accident.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> From: David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>>> 
>>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
>>> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
>>> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
>>> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
>>> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
>>> the picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
>>> difficult to ascertain require more resources to be used, so your
>>> not-so-good pictures actually cost the company more to process compared
>>> with your good, precise pictures.
>>> 
>>> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
>>> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
>>> small premium above the 100 picture package.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera

Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in
this sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin
adaptor or a lightning adaptor.
If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
leaning against something.
I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes,
for example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the
box, and use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the
other hand taking the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural
light, or have your kitchen light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10
chance to have the front photo of the box.
If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the
edge of the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with
proper lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on,
again, you will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible
enough for other to identify the object.

For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try
apps like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to
your friend or social media to ask for help.


On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden  wrote:
> If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person can
> pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training to
> improve their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures. This
> is, in fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.
>
> And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done such
> training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then
> again, I figure out how each client learns and train each person based on
> how they learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words, mine
> is a premium service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because
> they want the customised training.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
>>
>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
>> blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like
>> taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like
>> asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic
>> accident.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> From: David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>>
>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
>> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
>> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
>> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
>> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
>> the picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
>> difficult to ascertain require more resources to be used, so your
>> not-so-good pictures actually cost the company more to process compared
>> with your good, precise pictures.
>>
>> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
>> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
>> small premium above the 100 picture package.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
>>> aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bill Gallik
>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>
>>> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
>>> in-hand products.
>>> 
>>> Holland's Boy, Bill
>>> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
>>> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
>>> 1883–1970
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Alan Paganelli
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>
&

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and TapTapSee offers unlimited pictures for $9.95 for each month that this 
plan is purchased. Here is your time-based plan.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 16:49, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
> 
> I think that there should be some consideration given to the fact that a 
> blind person is at a huge disadvantage when taking pictures, and may need to 
> have several tries before getting an acceptable result. This is why a time 
> based plan may be better for a blind person than paying by picture count 
> alone.
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: TapTapSee
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 1:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Dawn Petty
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> Dawn,
>  
> The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
> because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
> to your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count is 
> because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to identify 
> them.
>  
> To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
> other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
> feature in without ruining the user experience.
>  
> Best Wishes,
> Dmitriy
> 
>> On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
>> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
>> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
>> should count. 
>>  
>> From: TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>  
>> Donna,
>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
>> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
>> for subscription will appear.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>>> Hello
>>>  
>>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
>>> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
>>> the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
>>> 30rd?
>>>  
>>> Thanks
>>>  
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>>> Hello Debbie,
>>>>  
>>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>>>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>>>> suggestion!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
>>>>> to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
>>>>> picture package?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of TapTapSee
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>>>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
>>>>> run out of the 100 pictures.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
>>>>>> M.D. wrote:
>>>>>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>>>> Of TapTapSee
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>>>>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
>>>>>> TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
>>>>>> our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that 
>>>>>> you’ve come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to 
>>>>>> improving the app based on the cust

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and with training, a blind person definitely becomes a better driver. I 
started riding a bicycle, by myself, when I was 10. My friends used to ride 
their bikes behind me and shout out directions to me. My father did not learn 
that we were riding all over the city until I was 17. I have been blind since 
birth.

In other words, anything can be learned, and can improve with training and 
practice.

Unlike you, I actually have a very high opinion of what blind people are 
capable of doing. This may well be because I have done many of the things they 
say blind people cannot do, and I continue to challenge those stereotypes 
regularly.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 16:51, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
> 
> To ask a blind person to get better at taking pictures is like asking a blind 
> person to be a better driver.
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Dawn Petty
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> I’m not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image 
> is a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took resources 
> to identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a perfect 
> one, therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will motivate people 
> to get better at taking pictures. :)
>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee  wrote:
>> 
>> Dawn,
>>  
>> The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
>> because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
>> to your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count 
>> is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to 
>> identify them.
>>  
>> To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
>> other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
>> feature in without ruining the user experience.
>>  
>> Best Wishes,
>> Dmitriy
>> 
>>> On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
>>> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
>>> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be 
>>> identified should count. 
>>>  
>>> From: TapTapSee
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>  
>>> Donna,
>>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
>>> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
>>> for subscription will appear.
>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>>>> Hello
>>>>  
>>>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
>>>> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
>>>> the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to 
>>>> Nov. 30rd?
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks
>>>>  
>>>> Donna
>>>>  
>>>>> Hello Debbie,
>>>>>  
>>>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>>>>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>>>>> suggestion!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
>>>>>> to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
>>>>>> picture package?
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>>>> Of TapTapSee
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>>>>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
>>>>>> run out of the 100 pictures.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
>>>

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person can pay 
for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training to improve 
their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures. This is, in 
fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.

And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done such 
training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then again, 
I figure out how each client learns and train each person based on how they 
learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words, mine is a premium 
service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because they want the 
customised training.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
> 
> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind 
> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking 
> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a 
> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>  
> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee 
> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you to 
> take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your argument 
> do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same resources to 
> identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the picture you 
> intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
> require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures actually cost 
> the company more to process compared with your good, precise pictures.
>  
> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In 
> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a 
> small premium above the 100 picture package.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>> 
>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is 
>> aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Bill Gallik
>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>  
>> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, 
>> in-hand products.
>> 
>> Holland's Boy, Bill
>> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
>> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
>> 1883–1970
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Alan Paganelli
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>  
>> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
>> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
>> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
>> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, 
>> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem 
>> paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that 
>> I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred 
>> picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, 
>> then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The 
>> same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box 
>> of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>> ---
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Alan
>>  
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>  
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>  
>> Please click on: 
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for  listening!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: TapTap

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

TapTapSee has been offering the service for free for a significant length of 
time. VizWiz continues to offer the service for free. People prefer TapTapSee 
because it is quicker and more consistent. However, for this premium service, 
TapTapSee has been paying the cost out of their own pocket. In other words, we 
blind people have been accepting charity from them. Well, the free lunch is 
over.

Now, TapTapSee has continuous, ongoing costs around every picture they process. 
They now need the end-user to help support these ongoing costs.

In other words, it ultimately is the blind person's fault and responsibility if 
the blind person cannot take pictures of the objects. It is solely the blind 
person's responsibility to acquire the knowledge to start taking usable 
pictures. None of us lives in a vacuum. We all have sighted people around us. 
Considering that only one out of every one thousand people has no vision 
whatsoever, it is the blind person's fault if said person is unable to find the 
courage in him or her self to ask for this sort of assistance.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:09, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:
> 
> It’s not the blind person’s fault either. Geesh! Doesn’t anyone have any 
> common sense?
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: DJ
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: TapTapSee
> Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault 
> that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and 
> easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely rediculous. 
>  And that's my opinion.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dawn Petty
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
> should count. 
>  
> From: TapTapSee
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> Donna,
> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
> subscription will appear.
> 
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
> Hello
>  
> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
> the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
> 30rd?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Donna
>  
>> Hello Debbie,
>>  
>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>> suggestion!
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
>> let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
>> package?
>>  
>> Thank you!
>>  
>> Debbie
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
>> out of the 100 pictures.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>> wrote:
>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>  
>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
>> TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
>> service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come 
>> to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app 
>> based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
>> message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 
>> 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for 
>> $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes accou

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

kend and linkie is below!
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> Cara :)
> 
> http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/
> 
> 
> On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
> 
> It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but
> that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or
> not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we can
> over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for example
> if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not straight,
> etc. That can be done with a different package which doesn't cost
> money. In fact with technology it has been proven that yes we can even
> drive a car (probably better than some of the sighted people out
> there.)
> 
>> On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind
>> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking
>> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a
>> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> From: David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>> 
>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
>> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
>> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
>> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
>> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the
>> picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to
>> ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures
>> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, precise
>> pictures.
>> 
>> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
>> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
>> small premium above the 100 picture package.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
>> aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Bill Gallik
>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
>> in-hand products.
>> 
>> Holland's Boy, Bill
>> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
>> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
>> 1883–1970
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Alan Paganelli
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
>>   Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>>   Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
>> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
>> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
>> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
>> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
>> paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
>> I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
>> picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
>> then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
>> same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
>> of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>>   ---
>> 
>>   Regards,
>> 
>>   Alan
>> 
>>   Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>>   Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>>   Please click on:
>>   http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>   There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>> on
>>   the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>> my website are st

Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Cara Quinn]

HI John and All,

While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea that 
charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take good pictures 
being not at all the developer's responsibility is not quite accurate.

As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even though we do 
not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take the idea of asking the 
blind / VI people to take their own images very, very seriously.

So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers responsibility, 
especially if these images are a paid service and that service depends on both 
the quality of said images which are submitted, and also the information about 
those images which is returned to the customer.

Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps to offer 
constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited by this app to 
educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. I do think many 
suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user experience, are very 
good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take these to heart and implement 
them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a responsive and caring company as 
their dialogue here has shown.

I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for CamFind 
(which is also from the same company) as well which may also offset the 
operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model will be evolving over 
time to something that all of those who need this app will find  useful, 
convenient and affordable.

I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, which offers a 
service for developers to access human capabilities for just this type of 
recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact service that TapTapSee 
is offering but I am saying that this may give many users here some idea of 
what is happening behind the scenes to power this app so that you get your 
descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's always a good idea to 
know what is happening with what products you use so that you can be an 
educated consumer. This is especially important for the visually impaired in my 
opinion, as the community has unfortunately from time to time, seen both over 
and under inflated costs for necessary services. I.E. either products or 
services being basically handed out for nothing or way over-priced.

Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very easy currently 
so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! :)

Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below!

Smiles,

Cara :)

http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/


On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:

It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but
that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or
not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we can
over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for example
if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not straight,
etc. That can be done with a different package which doesn't cost
money. In fact with technology it has been proven that yes we can even
drive a car (probably better than some of the sighted people out
there.)

On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind
> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking
> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a
> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
> 
> Andy
> 
> From: David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
> 
> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the
> picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to
> ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures
> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, precise
> pictures.
> 
> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
> small premium above the 100 picture package.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
> 

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi John,

Could you provide  bit more information about the tripod you have? I have
been sort of looking for one, but haven't found one yet I like. Actually I
would rather find some sort of holder which can be used with any standard
tripod rather than a special iPhone all in one unit.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I never thought about using a tripod. That makes a lot of sense.
especially when I have one for the phone already.

On 11/9/13, Cristóbal  wrote:
> Rather hyperbolic I must say. Taking a bad picture and crashing your 
> car aren’t remotely similar. Pay ten bucks a month and you can take 
> pictu’res to your heart’s content. One could also spring for other 
> accessories to help out in the picture taking process like the Stand 
> Scan or a tripod, etc.
> That
> or use an alternative app like Goggles or Recognizer.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 8:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a 
> blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something 
> like taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos 
> is like asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a 
> traffic accident.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> From: David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>
>
>
> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying 
> TapTapSee should be responsible for the factors which make it more 
> difficult for you to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At 
> no point during your argument do you acknowledge the fact that 
> TapTapSee must spend the same resources to identify, or attempt 
> identification, whether the picture is the picture you intended or 
> not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain require 
> more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures actually cost 
> the company more to process compared with your good, precise pictures.
>
>
>
> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per 
> month. In other words, they are willing to be responsible for your 
> errors at just a small premium above the 100 picture package.
>
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>
> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera 
> is aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Gallik <mailto:wfgal...@charter.net>
>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying 
> specific, in-hand products.
>
> 
> Holland's Boy, Bill
> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought 
> movement,
> 1883–1970
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Alan Paganelli <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  
> That's helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then 
> that would be a successful image and thus I'd be charged for that 
> picture when in reality, I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  
> I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking for something for 
> nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I need with 
> out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
> picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost 
> me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.
> The
> same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  
> Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Go

Re: TapTapSee

[Paul Henrichsen]

Then just pay $7 for a 100 picture pack.
The $10 is for unlimited pictures for one month.

On Nov 7, 2013, at 9:09 AM, alia robinson  wrote:

> ten bucks a month? I would rather pay a flat fee for the app, but ten dollars 
> a month is a bit much, imo. 
> 
> Alia
> On Nov 7, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> What's all this upset i am glad to pay anything remember even small 
>> developers need money to live on etc just saying.
> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[John Diakogeorgiou]

It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but
that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or
not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we can
over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for example
if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not straight,
etc. That can be done with a different package which doesn't cost
money. In fact with technology it has been proven that yes we can even
drive a car (probably better than some of the sighted people out
there.)

On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind
> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking
> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a
> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
>
> Andy
>
> From: David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>
> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the
> picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to
> ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures
> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, precise
> pictures.
>
> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
> small premium above the 100 picture package.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>
>
>   the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
> aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>
>
>   From: Bill Gallik
>   Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>   Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
> in-hand products.
>   
>   Holland's Boy, Bill
>   - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
>   - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
> 1883–1970
> - Original Message -
> From: Alan Paganelli
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
> paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
> I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
> picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
> then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
> same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
> of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>  Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
> on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
> my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: TapTapSee
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
>   Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>   Paula,
>   We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to
> only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
> identification to your phone.
>
>   On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jor

Re: TapTapSee

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I never thought about using a tripod. That makes a lot of sense.
especially when I have one for the phone already.

On 11/9/13, Cristóbal  wrote:
> Rather hyperbolic I must say. Taking a bad picture and crashing your car
> aren’t remotely similar. Pay ten bucks a month and you can take pictu’res
> to
> your heart’s content. One could also spring for other accessories to help
> out in the picture taking process like the Stand Scan or a tripod, etc.
> That
> or use an alternative app like Goggles or Recognizer.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 8:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
> blind
> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking
> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a
> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> From: David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
> So, I am trying to understand your comment.
>
>
>
> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
> the
> picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult
> to
> ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures
> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, precise
> pictures.
>
>
>
> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
> small premium above the 100 picture package.
>
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
>
> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
> aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Gallik <mailto:wfgal...@charter.net>
>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
> in-hand products.
>
> 
> Holland's Boy, Bill
> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
> 1883–1970
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Alan Paganelli <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
>
>
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be
> a
> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
> paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned
> that
> I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
> picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it
> right,
> then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.
> The
> same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
> of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
>
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
>
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -

Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

It’s not the blind person’s fault either. Geesh! Doesn’t anyone have any common 
sense?

Andy

From: DJ 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: TapTapSee
Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault 
that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and easily 
recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely rediculous.  And 
that's my opinion.

 

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they count 
toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified should 
count.  

 

From: TapTapSee 

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. Then 
when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

  Hello Debbie, 

   

  This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

  Hello,

   

  I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

   

  Thank you!

   

  Debbie

   


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  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
out of the 100 pictures.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
wrote: 

  Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

   

  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

   

  Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come to 
love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app based on 
the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a message will pop 
up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack 
for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is 
done through your Apple iTunes account.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

  Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden change 
I wonder. Ruby

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RE: TapTapSee

[Cristóbal]

Considering that this app in particular has been designed with the blind
user as the main beneficiary, it would be more than reasonable to believe
that this circumstance has been contemplated by the dev. Nothing like having
some skin in the game as a motivator to or at least try to improve one’s
skills. Who knows, since this pay model roll out is basically new, maybe the
plans offered could be refined depending on user feedback and usage down the
road. 

My wife is sighted so I think I’ll pass on the ten bucks a month, but I’m
more than willing to try out the eight dollar plan as a backup in my pocket
for those times I can’t borrow her dreamy green eyes.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

I think that there should be some consideration given to the fact that a
blind person is at a huge disadvantage when taking pictures, and may need to
have several tries before getting an acceptable result. This is why a time
based plan may be better for a blind person than paying by picture count
alone.

 

Andy

 

From: TapTapSee <mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com>  

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 1:59 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Cc: Dawn Petty <mailto:petty.d...@comcast.net>  

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Dawn, 

 

The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is
because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back
to your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count
is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to
identify them.

 

To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few
other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that
feature in without ruining the user experience.

 

Best Wishes,

Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote: 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee   

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: vip...@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this
App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I
think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden
change I wonder. Ruby

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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind 
person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking 
pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a 
blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.

Andy

From: David Chittenden 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee
So, I am trying to understand your comment.

If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee 
should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you to 
take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your argument 
do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same resources to 
identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the picture you 
intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures actually cost 
the company more to process compared with your good, precise pictures.

Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In 
other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a small 
premium above the 100 picture package.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:


  the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is 
aiming at something else rather than the selected object.


  From: Bill Gallik 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

  Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, 
in-hand products.
  
  Holland's Boy, Bill
  - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
  - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
1883–1970
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Paganelli 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
    Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm 
looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm 
not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the 
information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan 
at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would 
cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with 
boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted 
Flakes is.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: TapTapSee 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

  Paula, 
  We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to 
only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to 
get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of 
the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee



Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 
6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello



Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date 
of purchase to the same day th

Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

To ask a blind person to get better at taking pictures is like asking a blind 
person to be a better driver.

Andy

From: Alex Hall 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Dawn Petty 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee
I’m not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image is 
a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took resources to 
identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a perfect one, 
therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will motivate people to get 
better at taking pictures. :)

On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee  wrote:


  Dawn, 

  The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back to 
your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count is 
because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to identify 
them.

  To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
feature in without ruining the user experience.

  Best Wishes,
  Dmitriy

  On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote: 
what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
should count.  

From: TapTapSee 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Donna, 
It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 
  Hello

  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date 
of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
30rd?

  Thanks

  Donna 

Hello Debbie, 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is 
definitely something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for 
the suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 
  Hello,

  I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is 
accessible to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 
100 picture package?

  Thank you!

  Debbie


--
  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until 
you run out of the 100 pictures.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith 
G., M.D. wrote: 
Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 


 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee


 
Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to 
change TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come 
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app based 
on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a message will 
pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture 
Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase 
is done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to 
have this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to 
subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why 
sudden change I wonder. Ruby

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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

I think that there should be some consideration given to the fact that a blind 
person is at a huge disadvantage when taking pictures, and may need to have 
several tries before getting an acceptable result. This is why a time based 
plan may be better for a blind person than paying by picture count alone.

Andy

From: TapTapSee 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Dawn Petty 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee
Dawn, 

The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is because 
the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back to your 
phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count is because 
those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to identify them.

To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
feature in without ruining the user experience.

Best Wishes,
Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote: 
  what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
should count.  

  From: TapTapSee 
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

  Donna, 
  It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 
Hello

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

Thanks

Donna 

  Hello Debbie, 

  This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 
Hello,

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is 
accessible to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 
100 picture package?

Thank you!

Debbie



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee


No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
run out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
M.D. wrote: 
  Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 



  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee



  Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come to 
love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app based on 
the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a message will pop 
up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack 
for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is 
done through your Apple iTunes account.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

  Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to 
have this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to 
subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why 
sudden change I wonder. Ruby

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Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

as far as how to improve the clarity and the result for the image, what about 
having some sort of comment after the picture been process for fail picture?
Instead of having someting like blur picture, or fail image, what about if it 
have some fitback to the user, e.g., too close to the object, move a foot away 
from the object, or, poor lighting, take picture in a brighter environment, or, 
move your phone across to the left about 3 inch away from the object something 
like that...
Since every success image that got successfully send to the service will be 
going to be look by someone anyway, that might help to improve the user 
experience and improve the accuracy of the picture over time.

Joanne Chua
The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:12, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I agree with the comment box and also like the idea of a short list of
> things one can specify with a check as somebody else suggested.
> I also think this should definitely be a text comment box and not a recorded
> question as in VisWiz, the information would transmit much faster and one
> can always use SIRI to enter the question as text, given the fact that is
> should be brief probably means SIRI Dictation would be very effective to
> use. Once Tap Tap See has implemented the subscriptions and some money is
> coming in I would hope that apart from the picture counter the comment box
> would get high priority.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> Yes, you are absolutely correct, which makes a comment box essential in my
> opinion.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 12:48, May and Noah  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to
> add. Not all blind people are bad at taking pics and that's not the only
> problem some people have. It's also for some how many pics it takes to get
> the right info even when doing everything right.
>> 
>> For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it's
> ground chicken.
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their
> fault that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear
> and easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
> rediculous.  And that's my opinion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Dawn Petty
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
> should count. 
>>> 
>>> From: TapTapSee
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec.
> 6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a
> message for subscription will appear.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date
> of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or
> from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to
> Nov. 30rd?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> Hello Debbie,
>>>> 
>>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
> suggestion!
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible
> to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100
> picture package?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> 
>>>> Debbie
>>>> 
>>>> From: vip...@g

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with the comment box and also like the idea of a short list of
things one can specify with a check as somebody else suggested.
I also think this should definitely be a text comment box and not a recorded
question as in VisWiz, the information would transmit much faster and one
can always use SIRI to enter the question as text, given the fact that is
should be brief probably means SIRI Dictation would be very effective to
use. Once Tap Tap See has implemented the subscriptions and some money is
coming in I would hope that apart from the picture counter the comment box
would get high priority.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Yes, you are absolutely correct, which makes a comment box essential in my
opinion.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 12:48, May and Noah  wrote:
> 
> Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to
add. Not all blind people are bad at taking pics and that's not the only
problem some people have. It's also for some how many pics it takes to get
the right info even when doing everything right.
> 
> For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it's
ground chicken.
> 
> May and Prince Noah
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their
fault that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear
and easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
rediculous.  And that's my opinion.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dawn Petty
>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count. 
>> 
>> From: TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> Donna,
>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec.
6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a
message for subscription will appear.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>> Hello
>> 
>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date
of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or
from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to
Nov. 30rd?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> Hello Debbie,
>>> 
>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible
to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100
picture package?
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> Debbie
>>> 
>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you
run out of the 100 pictures.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G.,
M.D. wrote:
>>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
>>> 
>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlim

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Cara,

 

Do you have Talking Goggles on your phone? Not sure if you saw my example
where I used Talking Goggles and Tap Tap See on a 4L box of red wine.

 

Tap Tap See just came back with "Jackson Triggs" which is the name of the
winery. Talking Goggles came back with "Jackson Triggs Cabernet Sauvignon"
which obviously is much more useful and it also provided that using Still
Camera mode in about 2 seconds where as Tap Tap See took about 10 seconds to
return Jackson Triggs.

 

I am curious as to what you would get with Talking Goggles if you took a
picture of the same tin of tea under the same conditions (lighting, distance
and angle).

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

 

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
had as the answers I continued to get were:

 

tin of tea

 

Can of food

 

Orange can

 

Republic of Tea

 

etc

 

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of
that brand of tea.

 

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
information. Does this make sense?

 

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that
service is what we need.

 

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
impressed. :)

 

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

 

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

 

Smiles,

 

cara :)

On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee  wrote:

 

Alan,

 

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and
improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
the main focus for us.

 

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee   

To: vip...@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as "failed"?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date o

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Dawn,

 

You may want to investigate options which would allow you to put your iPhone
on some sort of stand or a little tripod, these accessories do exist. Then
maybe you could set up a special place where you know if your iPhone is in a
certain place and the item you want to identify is in a certain place it
will be perfectly lined up. You could then use a Bluetooth keyboard to
activate the take picture button and you would not even have to touch the
phone.

 

I know this is a bit more complicated, but I just thought of it as a
suggestion which might help you to get better pictures.

 

For the Tap Tap See team, it would be very nice if the volume up button
could be configured to take the picture as it does in the stock camera app.
This would mean also that one could plug in the earpods and take the picture
by pressing the volume up button on the headset remote. For somebody like
Dawn who might have difficulties holding the phone still this could work
really well.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
aiming at something else rather than the selected object.

 

 

From: Bill Gallik <mailto:wfgal...@charter.net>  

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
in-hand products.


Holland's Boy, Bill
- "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
- Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
1883-1970

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Paganelli <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee <mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as "failed"?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie,

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank 

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Yes, you are absolutely correct, which makes a comment box essential in my 
opinion.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 12:48, May and Noah  wrote:
> 
> Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to add. 
> Not all blind people are bad at taking pics and that’s not the only problem 
> some people have. It’s also for some how many pics it takes to get the right 
> info even when doing everything right.
> 
> For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it’s 
> ground chicken.
> 
> May and Prince Noah
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault 
>> that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and 
>> easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely 
>> rediculous.  And that's my opinion.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Dawn Petty
>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
>> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
>> should count. 
>> 
>> From: TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> Donna,
>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
>> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
>> for subscription will appear.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>> Hello
>> 
>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
>> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
>> the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
>> 30rd?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> Hello Debbie,
>>> 
>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>>> suggestion!
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
>>> let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
>>> picture package?
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> Debbie
>>> 
>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> TapTapSee
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
>>> out of the 100 pictures.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>>> wrote:
>>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
>>> 
>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> TapTapSee
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
>>> TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
>>> our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve 
>>> come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the 
>>> app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
>>> message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. 
>>> Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited 
>>> Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
>>> Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
>>> App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
>>> think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
>>> change I wonder. Ruby
>>> -- 
>>> You

Re: TapTapSee

[May and Noah]

Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to add. Not 
all blind people are bad at taking pics and that’s not the only problem some 
people have. It’s also for some how many pics it takes to get the right info 
even when doing everything right.

For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it’s 
ground chicken.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ  wrote:

> Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault 
> that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and 
> easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely rediculous. 
>  And that's my opinion.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dawn Petty
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
> should count. 
>  
> From: TapTapSee
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> Donna,
> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
> subscription will appear.
> 
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
> Hello
>  
> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
> the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
> 30rd?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Donna
>  
>> Hello Debbie,
>>  
>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>> suggestion!
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
>> let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
>> package?
>>  
>> Thank you!
>>  
>> Debbie
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
>> out of the 100 pictures.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>> wrote:
>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>>  
>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
>> TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
>> service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come 
>> to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app 
>> based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
>> message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 
>> 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for 
>> $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
>> Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
>> App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
>> think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
>> change I wonder. Ruby
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RE: TapTapSee

[DJ]

Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault
that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and
easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
rediculous.  And that's my opinion.

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee <mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com>  

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this
App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I
think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about this. Why sudden
change I wonder. Ruby

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RE: TapTapSee

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I wonder if there'd be a way the folks at TapTapSee would have to received 
photos that didn't fail but that didn't meet the users needs as described by 
Cara, with descriptions of why it wasn't successful from the end-users 
standpoint, to learn from a sighted TapTapSee perspective what the real-world 
problems being encountered actually were. Could it be the the desired text is 
too small for TapTapSee to recognize, or could the contrast of the desired text 
against the background not be enough to permit TapTapSee to read it, etc?

I would think TapTapSee developers would be interested in this kind of 
real-world feedback, and include a mechanism to permit the sending of 
unsuccessful (not failed) photos, with a description. Note, this would not be 
intended to provide the end-user the originally desired answer, but rather to 
permit TapTapSee developers to learn what kinds of limitations were being 
encountered, and hopefully this info would permit further improvements.

Keith.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be less 
than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the 
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I had 
as the answers I continued to get were:

tin of tea

Can of food

Orange can

Republic of Tea

etc

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did have 
the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love love 
teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of 
that brand of tea.

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
information. Does this make sense?

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that 
service is what we need.

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is actually 
the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty impressed. :)

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the 
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

Smiles,

cara :)
On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee 
mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com>> wrote:

Alan,

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and improve 
our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always the main 
focus for us.

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, 
alanand...@earthlink.net<http://earthlink.net> wrote:
Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
- Original Message -
From: TapTapSee
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Paula,
We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
What about those pictures that come back as "failed"?  I was trying to get a 
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
shirt logo which was what

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

So, I am trying to understand your comment.

If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee 
should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you to 
take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your argument 
do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same resources to 
identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the picture you 
intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures actually cost 
the company more to process compared with your good, precise pictures.

Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In 
other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a small 
premium above the 100 picture package.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty"  wrote:
> 
> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is  
> aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
>  
>  
> From: Bill Gallik
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, 
> in-hand products.
> 
> Holland's Boy, Bill
> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
> 1883–1970
> - Original Message -
> From: Alan Paganelli
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
> forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful 
> but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, 
> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying. 
>  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get 
> the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture 
> plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it 
> would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same 
> thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of 
> Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
> ---
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Alan
>  
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>  
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>  
> Please click on: 
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> - Original Message -
> From: TapTapSee
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> Paula,
> We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
> count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
> identification to your phone.
> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
>> What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
>> picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
>> were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
>> shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
>> failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
>> 
>> God bless!
>> 
>> Paula and Babe
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
>> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
>> for subscription will appear.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
>> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th t

Re: TapTapSee

[Cara Quinn]

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be less 
than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the 
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I had 
as the answers I continued to get were:

tin of tea

Can of food

Orange can

Republic of Tea

etc

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did have 
the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love love 
teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of 
that brand of tea.

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
information. Does this make sense?

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that 
service is what we need.

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is actually 
the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty impressed. :)

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the 
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

Smiles,

cara :)
On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee  wrote:

Alan,

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
opposed to a "Failure to send" message. We'll continue to monitor and improve 
our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always the main 
focus for us.

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
---
 
Regards,
 
Alan
 
Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
- Original Message -
From: TapTapSee
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Paula,
We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the failed 
pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 
Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. Then 
when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 
Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

 
Thanks

 
Donna 

 
Hello Debbie,

 
This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,

 
I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to let 
you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

 
Thank you!

 
Debbie

 
From: vip..

RE: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Any time we purchase a technology product we are usually paying partly for
development of new products.  Some of those new products may interest us and
some may not.  Some never survive the development process itself.

   If developers are innovative enough to create a product as nice as Tap
Tap See, they are likely to want to create other new things.  

   I personally hope part of my payments will help you revive the Android
version.  I don't plan on getting an Android device now but as the Android
accessibility improves that day may come.  I appreciate the fact that your
team is motivated by creation and growth.

  

  Good luck!

Wayne 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hello All,

 

I'd like to clear up the Android development confusion. As you have heard
many months ago, we mentioned that we want to bring TapTapSee to Android. We
began the developed some time ago. We then had to put it to a halt, due to
the current financial situation. At the moment, we do not have a set
timeline for when the Android version of TapTapSee will be released, or even
continued to be developed. We originally hoped to release it this year, but
now we're not sure if it will be released early next year or if at all. When
we said that some of the subscription may help finance that development, it
is not something that will happen right away. The thought is that it may
occur in the future. I will agree with you that maybe we shouldn't have
mentioned this in the first place, but we always prided ourselves on being
transparent and open with the community. This is also a big reason why we
actively participate in group conversation and are open to your questions,
as well as suggestions. 

 

Our main goal right now is to keep the iOS TapTapSee active! After we feel
that we can continue with our expansion of the app on other platforms, then
we will proceed. Again, I apologize for the confusion, but I hope that this
message cleared some of it up.

 

Best Wishes,

TapTapSee

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:27:01 AM UTC-8, ron.pelletier wrote:

Well guys, 

I totally agree.  Sometimes, silence is golden.  I certainly would have kept

quiet on that subject.  Now that I know that part of that amount is to 
support developing the Android app which I will never use, it makes me 
wonder why I should pay that full amount.  I am already paying a premium for

the use of an Apple product. 

Ron & Danvers 

-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
 ] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:10 AM 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: RE: TapTapSee 

John, 

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't 
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are

funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the 
developer should have kept that to themselves! 



-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
 ] On Behalf 
Of John Diakogeorgiou 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: TapTapSee 

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor 
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me 
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a 
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I 
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably 
never use. 

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee  > wrote: 
> Ann, 
> 
> Thank you for your support! 
> 
> Best Wishes, 
> 
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote: 
>> 
>>  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile* 
>> 
>> Thanks so much for this wonderful app! 
>> 
>> Ann 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> *From:* Troy Sullivan  
>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM 
>> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
>> 
>> I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
>> yet but  when I do I will. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> *From:* Alan Paganelli  
>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM 
>> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
>> 
>> I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
>> pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking 
>> was 
just for fun. 
>> 
>> I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
>> sighted 
>> 
>> son and I spent that night

Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Alex and Dawn,

We are actually compiling a list of tips and tricks to improve the quality 
of the pictures that our users are taking. That list will be added to our 
website. I have already shared some of the tips in a thread titled, "Taking 
Pictures With TapTapSee." Feel free to add some of your own tips to it. I 
think that if everyone gives their secret to getting the best 
identification, then we'll have a truly valuable resource available for 
everyone.

Also, Alex, I'd like to say that I'm happy that you understand our 
position. Thank you for the support.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee


On Saturday, November 9, 2013 2:10:16 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
>
>   not if you have to open the box just to find out, lol.
>  
>   
>  *From:* Sieghard Weitzel  
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:08 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
> *Subject:* RE: TapTapSee
>  
>  
> Hi Alan,
>
>  
>
> There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an 
> admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not 
> free, but it’s a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the 
> information is usually 100% correct.
>
>  
>
> Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted 
> Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and 
> you’ll know! Anyhow, don’t you like surprises **smile**
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>  
>  
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> vip...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Alan Paganelli
> *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>
>  
>  
> Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
> helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be 
> a successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in 
> reality, I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a 
> problem paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just 
> concerned that I get the information I need with out being over charged.  
> With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten 
> shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out 
> what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is 
> not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
>  
> ---
>  
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
>  
> Alan
>  
>  
>  
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>  
>  
>  
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>  
>  
>  
> Please click on: 
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
> my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
>  - Original Message - 
>  
> *From:* TapTapSee  
>  
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
>  
> *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
>  
> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>  
>  
>  
> Paula, 
>  
> We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
> count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
> identification to your phone.
>  
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
>  
> What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get 
> a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
> There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture 
> of the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for 
> the failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and Babe
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *TapTapSee
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>
>  
>  
> Donna,
>  
> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
> for subscription will appear.
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
>  
> Hello
>  
>  
>  
> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
> purchase to the same day the ne

Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

not if you have to open the box just to find out, lol.


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

Hi Alan,

 

There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an 
admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not free, 
but it’s a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the 
information is usually 100% correct.

 

Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted 
Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and you’ll 
know! Anyhow, don’t you like surprises *smile*

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 

  From: TapTapSee 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

   

  Paula, 

  We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.


  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

  What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the failed 
pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

  God bless!

  Paula and Babe

   

  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

   

  Donna,

  It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

  Hello

   

  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

   

  Thanks

   

  Donna 

   

Hello Debbie,

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 




From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
    To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
    To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subj

Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is 
aiming at something else rather than the selected object.


From: Bill Gallik 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, in-hand 
products.

Holland's Boy, Bill
- "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes."
- Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
1883–1970
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Paganelli 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

  Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
  ---

  Regards,

  Alan

  Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

  Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

  Please click on: 
  http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
  There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
  the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: TapTapSee 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Paula, 
We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
  What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to 
get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of 
the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

  God bless!

  Paula and Babe



  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee



  Donna,

  It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 
6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
for subscription will appear.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

  Hello



  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date 
of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
30rd?



  Thanks



  Donna 



Hello Debbie,



This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is 
definitely something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for 
the suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,



I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is 
accessible to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 
100 picture package?



Thank you!



Debbie






From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
run out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
M.D. wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee



Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTap

Re: TapTapSee

[Alex Hall]

I’m not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image is 
a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took resources to 
identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a perfect one, 
therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will motivate people to get 
better at taking pictures. :)
On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee  wrote:

> Dawn,
> 
> The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
> because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
> to your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count is 
> because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to identify 
> them.
> 
> To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
> other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
> feature in without ruining the user experience.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Dmitriy
> 
> On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
> what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
> count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
> should count. 
>  
> From: TapTapSee
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>  
> Donna,
> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
> subscription will appear.
> 
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
> Hello
>  
> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
> purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
> the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
> 30rd?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Donna
>  
>> Hello Debbie,
>>  
>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>> suggestion!
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
>> let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
>> package?
>>  
>> Thank you!
>>  
>> Debbie
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
>> out of the 100 pictures.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>> wrote:
>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
>> 
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> TapTapSee
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>>  
>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
>> TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
>> service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come 
>> to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app 
>> based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
>> message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 
>> 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for 
>> $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
>> App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
>> think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
>> change I wonder. Ruby
>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Dawn,

The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
to your phone. The reason that "Failed to send" or "timed out" won't count 
is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to 
identify them.

To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A 
few other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add 
that feature in without ruining the user experience.

Best Wishes,
Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
>
>   what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will 
> they count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be 
> identified should count.  
>   
>  *From:* TapTapSee  
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>  
>  Donna, 
> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
> Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
> for subscription will appear.
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 
>>
>>  Hello
>>  
>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date 
>> of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or 
>> from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to 
>> Nov. 30rd?
>>  
>> Thanks
>>  
>> Donna 
>>  
>>
>>  Hello Debbie, 
>>  
>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
>> something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
>> suggestion!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>  
>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
>>> to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
>>> picture package?
>>>  
>>> Thank you!
>>>  
>>> Debbie
>>>  
>>>  --
>>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>>> Behalf Of *TapTapSee
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
>>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>>>
>>>  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until 
>>> you run out of the 100 pictures.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
>>> M.D. wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>  Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>>>> Behalf Of *TapTapSee
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
>>>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
>>>> TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
>>>> our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve 
>>>> come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the 
>>>> app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
>>>> message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. 
>>>> Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited 
>>>> Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
>>>> this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to 
>>>> subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. 
>>>> Why sudden change I wonder. Ruby
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Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

it would also be nice if there were a direct way to ask a question regarding 
the picture.


From: TapTapSee 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Donna, 
It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. Then 
when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 
  Hello

  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

  Thanks

  Donna 

Hello Debbie, 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 
  Hello,

  I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

  Thank you!

  Debbie


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  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
run out of the 100 pictures.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
M.D. wrote: 
Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
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Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee



Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come to 
love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app based on 
the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a message will pop 
up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack 
for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is 
done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, 
I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
change I wonder. Ruby

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