RE: Braille input with IOS

[Rick Alfaro]

Thanks Richard. That’s perfect, just what I was looking for.

 

 

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Here you go Rick: 

 

https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-ios

 

 

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On Dec 21, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Rick Alfaro mailto:rick.alf...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Can anyone point me to a good app or tutorial on using Braille input? I’ve used 
it very little and would like to become more proficient with it. I do know 
grade 2 and uncontracted Brialle but need to learn more on how it’s implemented 
on my iPhone 15 pro. Appreciate any suggestions.

 

 

 

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Rick Alfaro

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Re: Braille input with IOS

[Richard Turner]

Here you go Rick: https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-iosRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 21, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:Can anyone point me to a good app or tutorial on using Braille input? I’ve used it very little and would like to become more proficient with it. I do know grade 2 and uncontracted Brialle but need to learn more on how it’s implemented on my iPhone 15 pro. Appreciate any suggestions.   Warmest regards, Rick Alfarorick.alf...@gmail.com 



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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Yes, tracking down what is actually causing the problem is like trying to be a 
super sleuth when you know you’ve scarcely got a clue...

> On 3 Feb 2019, at 16:52, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> 
> Dear Harry & List:
> 
> It is clues such as it works with onscreen keyboard but not from the Orbit 
> which help software authors/revisers, track down the source of the error.
> 
> Friend of mine would phone me occasionally to say the paper feeder on her 
> Diablo 630 HPRO5 printer died. I would ask what death sounds it made. She 
> would describe them. I would say sounds like motor turning, however, gears 
> not meshing. She would phone distributor who ran the repair depot including 
> my comment. Repairperson said her descriptions were usually spot on! He knew 
> which parts too bring.
> 
> One day she said printer was blowing circuit cards rapidly. She listed the 
> cards, I said about all I thought they had in common was power. She mentioned 
> my comment to the repairperson who pulled out his voltmeter, which registered 
> 24 bolts coning from a 12-volt supply! He said I was correct, her regulator 
> chip had died. The bugler blew Taps for the chip, which died in action, 
> replaced it with new regulator, and was the last she saw of her repairperson 
> in months.
> 
> Machinery often gives audible & other clues as to what is wrong with it. We 
> have to recognize the symptoms & advise the fixer of them.
> 
> If a sheet feeder makes sounds like paper jammed in gears, it probably is 
> jammed paper causing it to missfeed.
> 
> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.
> 
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
> January 31, 2019 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille input problem in Mail app
> 
> Thanks, Brian!
> You are right: when the Orbit refuses to recognise the command for capitals 
> or numbers, I can reach over to use the on-screen keyboard on my iPhone XS, 
> which does suggest it is an Orbit firmware bug. 
> I will get Orbit onto it!
> Regards
> Harry
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2019, at 07:57, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Harry & List:
>> 
>> Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of 
>> the Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of 
>> your phone or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit 
>> problem. Let the Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.
>> 
>> Bad firmware is bothersome.
>> /Brian K. Lingard
>> 
>> 
>> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
>> 
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
>> January 29, 2019 1:06 PM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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RE: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Harry & List:

It is clues such as it works with onscreen keyboard but not from the Orbit 
which help software authors/revisers, track down the source of the error.

Friend of mine would phone me occasionally to say the paper feeder on her 
Diablo 630 HPRO5 printer died. I would ask what death sounds it made. She would 
describe them. I would say sounds like motor turning, however, gears not 
meshing. She would phone distributor who ran the repair depot including my 
comment. Repairperson said her descriptions were usually spot on! He knew which 
parts too bring.

One day she said printer was blowing circuit cards rapidly. She listed the 
cards, I said about all I thought they had in common was power. She mentioned 
my comment to the repairperson who pulled out his voltmeter, which registered 
24 bolts coning from a 12-volt supply! He said I was correct, her regulator 
chip had died. The bugler blew Taps for the chip, which died in action, 
replaced it with new regulator, and was the last she saw of her repairperson in 
months.

Machinery often gives audible & other clues as to what is wrong with it. We 
have to recognize the symptoms & advise the fixer of them.

If a sheet feeder makes sounds like paper jammed in gears, it probably is 
jammed paper causing it to missfeed.

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.

From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: January 
31, 2019 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

Thanks, Brian!
You are right: when the Orbit refuses to recognise the command for capitals or 
numbers, I can reach over to use the on-screen keyboard on my iPhone XS, which 
does suggest it is an Orbit firmware bug. 
I will get Orbit onto it!
Regards
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 07:57, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Harry & List:
> 
> Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of 
> the Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of your 
> phone or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit problem. 
> Let the Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.
> 
> Bad firmware is bothersome.
> /Brian K. Lingard
> 
> 
> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
> 
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
> January 29, 2019 1:06 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
> firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have 
> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Richard!boddly, your instructions worked a treat on my iPad iOS 12.2 
beta, but when I tried on my iPhone iOS 12.1.3 that did not work and in the 
process of adjusting the settings on the iPhone, the Orbit Reader became 
utterly unresponsive: the iPhone declared. It was connected, but no keyboard 
input was recognised! I tried forget this device, restarting, rebooting, 
nothing worked - and then somehow, the orbit started being recognised again. 
Shudder! I think I’ll use it with my iPad instead if I cannot sort the iPhone!
Thanks again. 
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 13:55, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hello again, 
> You need you braille settings on the iPhone to be on contracted, not 6 dot.  
> At least, that is my setting and I'm not having the issue.
> PS. Apple's accessibility is 1-877-204-3930. Brian had it as 3039 at the end. 
> Richard
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I am writing this on my Orbit Reader 20, running version 57 and my iPhone SE 
>> running iOS 12.1.3. 
>> As you can tell if you read by letter I'm having no issues with number signs 
>> or capital signs.
>> I forgot to check my braille  settings, but I think you want input set to 
>> contracted.
>> I'll check my settings and write again shortly.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:10 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
>>> getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail 
>>> app using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a 
>>> BraillePen Slim and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only 
>>> when replying to emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 
>>> 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after 
>>> all?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
>>> 
> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
 issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille 
 input. I did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of 
 trouble when trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that 
 reason I switched to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go 
 to Settings > General > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see 
 what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to 
 eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it back to either 
 uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a thought: 
 let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you use to 
 switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make a 
 note of it. 
 Thanks,
 Tom  
 
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit 
> Reader 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital 
> letters and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but 
> not in the Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both 
> iOS and the Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault 
> lies. Does anyone have such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Richard Turner]

Hello again,
You need you braille settings on the iPhone to be on contracted, not 6 dot.  At 
least, that is my setting and I'm not having the issue.
PS. Apple's accessibility is 1-877-204-3930. Brian had it as 3039 at the end. 
Richard


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jan 31, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello,
I am writing this on my Orbit Reader 20, running version 57 and my iPhone SE 
running iOS 12.1.3.
As you can tell if you read by letter I'm having no issues with number signs or 
capital signs.
I forgot to check my braille  settings, but I think you want input set to 
contracted.
I'll check my settings and write again shortly.
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:10 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail app 
using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a BraillePen Slim 
and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only when replying to 
emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 
iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after all?
Thanks
Harry

On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange 
mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it.
Thanks,
Tom

On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Richard Turner]

Hello,
I am writing this on my Orbit Reader 20, running version 57 and my iPhone SE 
running iOS 12.1.3.
As you can tell if you read by letter I'm having no issues with number signs or 
capital signs.
I forgot to check my braille  settings, but I think you want input set to 
contracted.
I'll check my settings and write again shortly.
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:10 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail app 
using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a BraillePen Slim 
and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only when replying to 
emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 
iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after all?
Thanks
Harry

On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange 
mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it.
Thanks,
Tom

On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail app 
using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a BraillePen Slim 
and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only when replying to 
emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 
iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after all?
Thanks
Harry

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I 
> did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when 
> trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched 
> to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General 
> > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set 
> to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If 
> you did, switch it back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, 
> whichever you prefer. Just a thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if 
> anybody knows what command you use to switch Braille input on the fly, please 
> post it here so that I can make a note of it. 
> Thanks,
> Tom  
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Brian!
You are right: when the Orbit refuses to recognise the command for capitals or 
numbers, I can reach over to use the on-screen keyboard on my iPhone XS, which 
does suggest it is an Orbit firmware bug. 
I’ll get Orbit onto it!
Regards
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 07:57, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
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> 
> Dear Harry & List:
> 
> Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of 
> the Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of your 
> phone or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit problem. 
> Let the Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.
> 
> Bad firmware is bothersome.
> /Brian K. Lingard
> 
> 
> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
> January 29, 2019 1:06 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
> firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have 
> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Harry & List:

Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of the 
Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of your phone 
or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit problem. Let the 
Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.

Bad firmware is bothersome.
/Brian K. Lingard


Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: January 
29, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Hi, Tom!
I’ve checked and my iPhone is set to UEB six dot. Curious how it is now only 
when replying to emails that the problem now arises with capital letters and 
numbers! 
Mysteries, mysteries...
Thanks
Harry

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I 
> did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when 
> trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched 
> to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General 
> > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set 
> to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If 
> you did, switch it back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, 
> whichever you prefer. Just a thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if 
> anybody knows what command you use to switch Braille input on the fly, please 
> post it here so that I can make a note of it. 
> Thanks,
> Tom  
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

thanks, tom and anna! i have narrowed the problem down to just one area which 
is that when i reply to an email, as i am doing now, i cannot get capital 
letters nor numbers. i can get them when i compose or forward an email but not 
when i reply! today all other apps are working fine with the orbit reader. does 
this mean it is a bug in ios or in orbit?
thanks
harry 

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I 
> did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when 
> trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched 
> to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General 
> > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set 
> to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If 
> you did, switch it back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, 
> whichever you prefer. Just a thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if 
> anybody knows what command you use to switch Braille input on the fly, please 
> post it here so that I can make a note of it. 
> Thanks,
> Tom  
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it. 
Thanks,
Tom  

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
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> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: Braille input

[rajmund]

Hi,
I tually prefer swiping, particularly, since I use index finger for the space, 
usually, and now, I can just swipe it, at last. :)

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 31 Mar 2016, at 4:21 pm, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Getting all ten fingers on an iPhone screen could be difficult, particularly 
> with the smaller ipHones. I do think having a spacebar on the screen would be 
> helpful, though, since I'm sure that one reason I have trouble with onscreen 
> braille input is that when I flick right to enter a space, my hand probably 
> moves right.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's to bad that the braille inmput doesn't work like the braille input on 
>> the new BrailleNote touch that was just released by Humanware.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Outman
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Braille input
>> 
>> I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
>> activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.
>> 
>> I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
>> explore mode.
>> 
>> I need some help to get up and running with this better.
>> 
>> Bill Outman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of SCOTT VAN GORP
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille input
>> 
>> This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
>> three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
>> device or software problem. Thank you!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello,
>>> up and down does, but, not left and right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. 
>>>> tabletop mode or screen away mode.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ari
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI 
>>>>> keyboard so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it 
>>>>> will use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Greg WOcher
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way 
>>>>>> I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would 
>>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Getting all ten fingers on an iPhone screen could be difficult, particularly 
with the smaller ipHones. I do think having a spacebar on the screen would be 
helpful, though, since I'm sure that one reason I have trouble with onscreen 
braille input is that when I flick right to enter a space, my hand probably 
moves right.

Best,
Anna



> On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's to bad that the braille inmput doesn't work like the braille input on 
> the new BrailleNote touch that was just released by Humanware.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Bill Outman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille input
> 
> I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
> activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.
> 
> I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
> explore mode.
> 
> I need some help to get up and running with this better.
> 
> Bill Outman
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SCOTT VAN GORP
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille input
> 
> This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
> three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
> device or software problem. Thank you!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> up and down does, but, not left and right.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>>> mode or screen away mode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg WOcher
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way 
>>>>> I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would 
>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Russ Kiehne]

It's to bad that the braille inmput doesn't work like the braille input on 
the new BrailleNote touch that was just released by Humanware.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Outman

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille input

I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.


I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
explore mode.


I need some help to get up and running with this better.

Bill Outman



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of SCOTT VAN GORP

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille input

This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
device or software problem. Thank you!


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

hello,
up and down does, but, not left and right.

Sent from my iPhone 5S


On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. 
tabletop mode or screen away mode.



Thanks,
Ari


On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:

Hello,
Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or 
right should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you 
have one or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the 
BSI keyboard so that when you start using it your preferred grade is 
what it will use.


Regards,
Greg WOcher


On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:

Hi List,

I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a 
way I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help 
would be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Braille input

[Brett]

Hi Bill, 

If you tap dots 4 5 6 together quickly followed by dots 1 2 and 3 together, 
this will calabrate the dots to where your fingers are. 

Hope this helps, 
Brett. 

Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 31 Mar 2016, at 7:46 AM, Bill Outman <wout...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
> activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.  
> 
> I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
> explore mode.  
> 
> I need some help to get up and running with this better.  
> 
> Bill Outman 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SCOTT VAN GORP
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille input
> 
> This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
> three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
> device or software problem. Thank you!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> up and down does, but, not left and right.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>>> mode or screen away mode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg WOcher
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way 
>>>>> I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would 
>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Braille input

[Bill Outman]

I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.  

I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the explore 
mode.  

I need some help to get up and running with this better.  

Bill Outman 



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SCOTT VAN GORP
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille input

This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about three 
fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a device or 
software problem. Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> up and down does, but, not left and right.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>> mode or screen away mode.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg WOcher
>>> 
>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
>>>> could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
>>>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[SCOTT VAN GORP]

This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about three 
fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a device or 
software problem. Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> hello,
> up and down does, but, not left and right.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>> mode or screen away mode.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg WOcher
>>> 
 On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
 could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
 greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[rajmund]

hello,
up and down does, but, not left and right.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
> mode or screen away mode.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one or 
>> the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard so 
>> that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg WOcher
>> 
>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
>>> could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
>>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[englishrider91]

I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
mode or screen away mode.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one or 
> the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard so 
> that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
> 
> Regards,
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> 
>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
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>> Hi List,
>> 
>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
>> could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Wayne Merritt]

I think you can also set the grade entered in the VoiceOver settings,
under Braille. Note that each time you bring up this screen, you will
probably be given a message about needing to turn on Bluetooth to use
a Braille display. Just hit OK and don't worry about it.

Wayne

On 3/28/16, rajmund  wrote:
> hello,
> flick 3 fingers to the left and right, respectively, to toggle braille
> grades.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
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>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 10:42 am, Michael Maslo 
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>>
>>
>> Hi List,
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>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[rajmund]

hello,
flick 3 fingers to the left and right, respectively, to toggle braille grades.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

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> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or 
right should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you 
have one or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the 
BSI keyboard so that when you start using it your preferred grade is 
what it will use.


Regards,
Greg WOcher

On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:


Hi List,

I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Braille Input and messages

[Keith B.]

I just got an iPhone 6 on Saturday. I had not noticed this problem with my 
5S, but I am noticing it now. The only difference is that sometimes, when I 
rotor back to portrait mode, there will be typing in the edit field. 

I had begun to think this might be a problem with my phone. I'm really glad 
you posted this, as now I'm convinced it must be some kind of bug.

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 8:26:35 AM UTC-5, Chris Chaffin wrote:

 When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, 
 it does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there. 
 This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
 earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that. 
 I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same 
 thing on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in 
 May. 

 I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else 
 just fine. 
 This is what I do. 
 1, Open messages. 
 2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their 
 name. 
 3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit 
 box. 
 4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode. 
 5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
 mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I 
 have also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response. 
 6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, 
 there is of coarse nothing there. 

 Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing? 
 Has anyone else experienced this problem? 

 Any help or guidance would be appreciated. 

 Chris 


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Re: Braille Input and messages

[Dan Beaver]

Hmmm,

I am using it on an Iphone 5 and have had no problems like you describe at 
all.

If you enter braille input mode and move a finger around the screen does it 
give you any tones or bleeps at all?

Also, did you set the braill input type under voice over in accessibility 
settings?
Dan  beaver


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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:30 AM
To: VIPhone List viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Input and messages

When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, 
it does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there.
This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that.
I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same 
thing on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in May.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else 
just fine.
This is what I do.
1, Open messages.
2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their 
name.
3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit box.
4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode.
5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I 
have also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response.
6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, 
there is of coarse nothing there.

Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing?
Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Any help or guidance would be appreciated.

Chris


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Re: Braille Input and messages

[Chris Chaffin]

Yes, braille input is on my rotor, and I have the braille settings on grade 1.
Like I said, it works fine everywhere else.
And no, I do not get any type of response when moving my finger around on the 
screen.

Chris


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 On Jul 16, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Dan Beaver dbeaver...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hmmm,
 
 I am using it on an Iphone 5 and have had no problems like you describe at 
 all.
 
 If you enter braille input mode and move a finger around the screen does it 
 give you any tones or bleeps at all?
 
 Also, did you set the braill input type under voice over in accessibility 
 settings?
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 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:30 AM
 To: VIPhone List viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Input and messages
 
 When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, 
 it does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there.
 This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
 earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that.
 I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same 
 thing on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in May.
 
 I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else 
 just fine.
 This is what I do.
 1, Open messages.
 2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their 
 name.
 3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit box.
 4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode.
 5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
 mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I 
 have also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response.
 6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, 
 there is of coarse nothing there.
 
 Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing?
 Has anyone else experienced this problem?
 
 Any help or guidance would be appreciated.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: braille input

[Alex Hall]

You can. The problem is that Safari can't accept braille input in text fields, 
it thinks every character is an attempt to jump to an element. The feature is 
that you can type a braille h for headings, then flick up and down to move by 
heading. The bug is that this mode can't be disabled to let you actually type 
that h, or any other character, into a text field. Braille input works in apps 
or on the passcode screen, but Safari needs to be updated before braille will 
work there.
 On Dec 14, 2014, at 1:11 PM, brian albriton autoharp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: braille input

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all,
It's a conflict with Safari and Braille Input. It can only be used for 
navigation. Please report this to Apple Accessibility. I have done this 
already and still no fix. Remember though bugs seem to be ordered in 
terms of highest priority first which isn't necessarily to do with 
accessibility.


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Hi, folks.  on an apple podcast , it was mensioned you could use braille input 
mode 9 password fields.   i tried this on safari but when i swit* back to 
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Re: braille input

[Teresa Cochran]

If you have a keyboard and disable QuickNav, does Braille input work in that 
case? I can't seem to use the arrow keys on mine, so can't test it myself. This 
navigation by Braille letter feature sounds like a QuickNav feature.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Dec 14, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 It's a conflict with Safari and Braille Input. It can only be used for 
 navigation. Please report this to Apple Accessibility. I have done this 
 already and still no fix. Remember though bugs seem to be ordered in terms of 
 highest priority first which isn't necessarily to do with accessibility.
 
 On 14/12/2014 18:11, brian albriton wrote:
 
 
 Hi, folks.  on an apple podcast , it was mensioned you could use braille 
 input mode 9 password fields.   i tried this on safari but when i swit* back 
 to portrai6 mode there are no characters in the pasword field. Has anyone 
 been able to use braille input for passwords? All the best, Brian
 
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Re: Braille Input

[Karen Poulakos]

Thanks Sieghard,

I can't seem to find it there.  Do I have to have a braille display in order 
to use the braille input?


I thought I had seen it in the accessibility menu of Settings, but when I 
went back to look for it again, it, it had disappeared.


Karen P
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From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: Braille Input


Hi Karen,

You have to go to the rotor settings, find braille and double tap on it to 
select it. Basically it's like with handwriting, you enable it in the rotor 
and then when you want to use it you just turn the rotor to braille.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Braille Input

Hi Everyone,

I just updated to 8.1.1.  I'm curious about braille input, but can't seem to
find it in settings.  Can someone help, Please?

Thanks.

Karen P

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Re: Braille Input

[Les Kriegler]

Karen, you need to go five levels deep. Settings, general, accessibility, 
voiceover and braille. You will find two options. One is for braille output 
settings and one is for braille input settings.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 18, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Karen Poulakos kpoula...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 Thanks Sieghard,
 
 I can't seem to find it there.  Do I have to have a braille display in order 
 to use the braille input?
 
 I thought I had seen it in the accessibility menu of Settings, but when I 
 went back to look for it again, it, it had disappeared.
 
 Karen P
 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Braille Input
 
 
 Hi Karen,
 
 You have to go to the rotor settings, find braille and double tap on it to 
 select it. Basically it's like with handwriting, you enable it in the rotor 
 and then when you want to use it you just turn the rotor to braille.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 Karen Poulakos
 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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 Hi Everyone,
 
 I just updated to 8.1.1.  I'm curious about braille input, but can't seem to
 find it in settings.  Can someone help, Please?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Karen P
 
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Re: Braille Input

[Karen Poulakos]

THanks, Les.

Now that I've found the braille settings, how do I add braille to the rotor? 
I now can't seem to find the rotor settings.


Karen P 


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Re: Braille Input

[Les Kriegler]

Karen, if you locate the braille option and you swipe wants to the right, you 
will land on rotor. Do a single finger double tap and then scroll all the way 
to the right. Bralett put is the last option on the rotor screen.

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 THanks, Les.
 
 Now that I've found the braille settings, how do I add braille to the rotor? 
 I now can't seem to find the rotor settings.
 
 Karen P 
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RE: Braille Input

[Richard Turner]

If you are in the braille settings under VoiceOver,  then go back one level to 
the main VoiceOver settings.
The rotor is just below Braille, I believe.  Adding braille to the rotor is the 
last item so you will likely have to do a three finger swipe up to get to the 
last item.  Double tap Braille and it will now say selected.
You can then turn the rotor to braille.
Be aware that the location on the rotor of the braille option will change, 
seemingly at random.  
One time it will be between words and cahracters, another time it might be 
after headings.  

HTH,
Richard


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THanks, Les.

Now that I've found the braille settings, how do I add braille to the rotor? 
I now can't seem to find the rotor settings.

Karen P 

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RE: Braille Input

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sarah,

I hope you take a couple of minutes and send an email to 
accessibil...@apple.com and let them know that this is not working for you. Now 
that a number of issues have been fixed, there is a good chance they may look 
at some of the less significant bugs. I again just send a message to let them 
know that moving apps out of the last row above the dock is still not working.


Regards,
Sieghard

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THanks, Les.

Now that I've found the braille settings, how do I add braille to the rotor? 
I now can't seem to find the rotor settings.

Karen P 

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Re: Braille Input

[carol.pearso...@googlemail.com]

Just chiming in here ...

Be sure to leave your rotor on something appropriate (mine is usually on 
words/characters) so that the braille keyboard is only selected when needed, 
or you might wonder whatever's going on!  Smiles


Carol P

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: Braille Input


If you are in the braille settings under VoiceOver,  then go back one level 
to the main VoiceOver settings.
The rotor is just below Braille, I believe.  Adding braille to the rotor is 
the last item so you will likely have to do a three finger swipe up to get 
to the last item.  Double tap Braille and it will now say selected.

You can then turn the rotor to braille.
Be aware that the location on the rotor of the braille option will change, 
seemingly at random.
One time it will be between words and cahracters, another time it might be 
after headings.


HTH,
Richard


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THanks, Les.

Now that I've found the braille settings, how do I add braille to the rotor?
I now can't seem to find the rotor settings.

Karen P

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Re: Braille Input

[RobH.]

Settings/general/accessibility/voiceover, rotor button; it's in there.

R.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input


THanks, Les.

Now that I've found the braille settings, how do I add braille to the rotor?
I now can't seem to find the rotor settings.

Karen P

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RE: Braille Input

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Karen,

You have to go to the rotor settings, find braille and double tap on it to 
select it. Basically it's like with handwriting, you enable it in the rotor and 
then when you want to use it you just turn the rotor to braille.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Hi Everyone,

I just updated to 8.1.1.  I'm curious about braille input, but can't seem to 
find it in settings.  Can someone help, Please?

Thanks.

Karen P 

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Re: Braille input mode

[Brett]

Hi, 

I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three finger swipe to 
the right when the braille keyboard is open. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general, 
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and could not find 
 it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi David.
 
 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option unfortunately. 
 I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode on my 
 iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille input. I 
 looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not find any 8 dot 
 input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me how to put the iPhone 6+ 
 into 8 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Re: Braille input mode

[Cheryl Homiak]

No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot input, at least 
not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the braille settings.


-- 
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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
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His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, 
 
 I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three finger swipe 
 to the right when the braille keyboard is open. 
 
 Cheers, 
 Brett. 
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general, 
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and could not 
 find it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi David.
 
 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option unfortunately. 
 I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode on my 
 iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille input. I 
 looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not find any 8 dot 
 input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me how to put the iPhone 
 6+ into 8 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Braille input mode

[Anna Byrne]

this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available 
for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:



New Braille Commands

A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille 
command have now been assigned one.


Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is 
equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly 
useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a document.


Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is 
particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be 
used to move to specific items on a web page.


With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output 
categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands. 
Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted 
Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now 
only changes Braille output. The three available options through 
which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.


If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots 
2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille. 
Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and 
Contracted.




At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot 
input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the 
braille settings.



--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three 
finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.


 Cheers,
 Brett.

 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general, 
accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and 
could not find it.


 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen 
annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi David.

 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option 
unfortunately. I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.


 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:

 Hi all,

 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode 
on my iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.


 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille 
input. I looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not 
find any 8 dot input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me 
how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 dot braille input mode?


 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Braille input mode

[Deb Lewis]

Jonathan's book is referring to braille input with a Braille display.
It is not, for example, possible to enter any corded commands on the
on screen keyboard. And there is not 8-dot braille input for the on
screen keyboard on the phones.

On 10/1/14, Anna  Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available
 for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:


 New Braille Commands

 A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille
 command have now been assigned one.

 Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is
 equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly
 useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a
 document.

 Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is
 particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be
 used to move to specific items on a web page.

 With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output
 categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands.
 Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted
 Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now
 only changes Braille output. The three available options through
 which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.

 If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots
 2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille.
 Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and
 Contracted.



 At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot
input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the
braille settings.


--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three
 finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.
 
  Cheers,
  Brett.
 
  Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
  On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general,
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and
 could not find it.
 
  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi David.
 
  I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option
 unfortunately. I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
  Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
  Best regards Annie.
  Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden
  dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
  Hi all,
 
  I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode
 on my iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.
 
  Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille
 input. I looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not
 find any 8 dot input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me
 how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 dot braille input mode?
 
  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Braille input mode

[Tim Emmons]

Speaking of braille input mode, and yes you can input braille in 8 when you've 
selected it in the roter and can go from there. I'm sure Jonathan talks about 
that, I haven't seen his book yet but I know he's a huge proponent of that. I 
say that, to ask this. In doing braille input using the iPad or iPhone, how 
does one go to the next line, or is there a way. Thanks guys, and sorry if I 
confused anybody. tAke care. 
On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jonathan's book is referring to braille input with a Braille display.
 It is not, for example, possible to enter any corded commands on the
 on screen keyboard. And there is not 8-dot braille input for the on
 screen keyboard on the phones.
 
 On 10/1/14, Anna  Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available
 for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:
 
 
 New Braille Commands
 
 A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille
 command have now been assigned one.
 
 Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is
 equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly
 useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a
 document.
 
 Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is
 particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be
 used to move to specific items on a web page.
 
 With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output
 categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands.
 Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted
 Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now
 only changes Braille output. The three available options through
 which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.
 
 If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots
 2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille.
 Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and
 Contracted.
 
 
 
 At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
 No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot
 input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the
 braille settings.
 
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three
 finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.
 
 Cheers,
 Brett.
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general,
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and
 could not find it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi David.
 
 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option
 unfortunately. I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden
 dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode
 on my iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille
 input. I looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not
 find any 8 dot input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me
 how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Braille input mode

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Braille Screen Input does not offer any editing functions except for 
deleting by character. This makes sense as there are editing functions 
built into iOS so why reinvent the wheel? If you mean how to insert a 
new line then flick right with two fingers.



Sent from my laptop

On 01/10/2014 15:20, Tim Emmons wrote:

Speaking of braille input mode, and yes you can input braille in 8 when you've 
selected it in the roter and can go from there. I'm sure Jonathan talks about 
that, I haven't seen his book yet but I know he's a huge proponent of that. I 
say that, to ask this. In doing braille input using the iPad or iPhone, how 
does one go to the next line, or is there a way. Thanks guys, and sorry if I 
confused anybody. tAke care.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:


Jonathan's book is referring to braille input with a Braille display.
It is not, for example, possible to enter any corded commands on the
on screen keyboard. And there is not 8-dot braille input for the on
screen keyboard on the phones.

On 10/1/14, Anna  Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available
for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:


New Braille Commands

A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille
command have now been assigned one.

Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is
equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly
useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a
document.

Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is
particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be
used to move to specific items on a web page.

With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output
categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands.
Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted
Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now
only changes Braille output. The three available options through
which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.

If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots
2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille.
Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and
Contracted.



At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:

No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot
input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the
braille settings.


--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three

finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.


Cheers,
Brett.

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
wrote:

Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general,

accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and
could not find it.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen

annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi David.

I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option

unfortunately. I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.


Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
Best regards Annie.

Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden
dchitten...@gmail.com:

Hi all,

I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode

on my iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.


Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille

input. I looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not
find any 8 dot input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me
how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 dot braille input mode?


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Braille input mode

[Teresa Cochran]

Screen input in Braille does not support eight-dot mode. The Voiceover hint 
says, put at most three fingers on either side of the screen. The setting is 
in Seettings, general, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille, Screen input mode. 
Unless this is a 64-bit feature, I don't find it on my iPod 5G.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Oct 1, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Braille Screen Input does not offer any editing functions except for deleting 
 by character. This makes sense as there are editing functions built into iOS 
 so why reinvent the wheel? If you mean how to insert a new line then flick 
 right with two fingers.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 01/10/2014 15:20, Tim Emmons wrote:
 Speaking of braille input mode, and yes you can input braille in 8 when 
 you've selected it in the roter and can go from there. I'm sure Jonathan 
 talks about that, I haven't seen his book yet but I know he's a huge 
 proponent of that. I say that, to ask this. In doing braille input using the 
 iPad or iPhone, how does one go to the next line, or is there a way. Thanks 
 guys, and sorry if I confused anybody. tAke care.
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan's book is referring to braille input with a Braille display.
 It is not, for example, possible to enter any corded commands on the
 on screen keyboard. And there is not 8-dot braille input for the on
 screen keyboard on the phones.
 
 On 10/1/14, Anna  Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available
 for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:
 
 
 New Braille Commands
 
 A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille
 command have now been assigned one.
 
 Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is
 equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly
 useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a
 document.
 
 Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is
 particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be
 used to move to specific items on a web page.
 
 With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output
 categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands.
 Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted
 Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now
 only changes Braille output. The three available options through
 which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.
 
 If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots
 2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille.
 Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and
 Contracted.
 
 
 
 At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
 No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot
 input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the
 braille settings.
 
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three
 finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.
 
 Cheers,
 Brett.
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general,
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and
 could not find it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi David.
 
 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option
 unfortunately. I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden
 dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode
 on my iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille
 input. I looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not
 find any 8 dot input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me
 how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 

Re: Braille input mode

[Alex Hall]

It's an iPad feature, since Apple figures there's enough space on the screen 
for eight dots, but the smaller devices wouldn't have the room.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Screen input in Braille does not support eight-dot mode. The Voiceover hint 
 says, put at most three fingers on either side of the screen. The setting is 
 in Seettings, general, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille, Screen input mode. 
 Unless this is a 64-bit feature, I don't find it on my iPod 5G.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Braille Screen Input does not offer any editing functions except for 
 deleting by character. This makes sense as there are editing functions built 
 into iOS so why reinvent the wheel? If you mean how to insert a new line 
 then flick right with two fingers.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 01/10/2014 15:20, Tim Emmons wrote:
 Speaking of braille input mode, and yes you can input braille in 8 when 
 you've selected it in the roter and can go from there. I'm sure Jonathan 
 talks about that, I haven't seen his book yet but I know he's a huge 
 proponent of that. I say that, to ask this. In doing braille input using 
 the iPad or iPhone, how does one go to the next line, or is there a way. 
 Thanks guys, and sorry if I confused anybody. tAke care.
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan's book is referring to braille input with a Braille display.
 It is not, for example, possible to enter any corded commands on the
 on screen keyboard. And there is not 8-dot braille input for the on
 screen keyboard on the phones.
 
 On 10/1/14, Anna  Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available
 for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:
 
 
 New Braille Commands
 
 A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille
 command have now been assigned one.
 
 Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is
 equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly
 useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a
 document.
 
 Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is
 particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be
 used to move to specific items on a web page.
 
 With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output
 categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands.
 Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted
 Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now
 only changes Braille output. The three available options through
 which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.
 
 If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots
 2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille.
 Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and
 Contracted.
 
 
 
 At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
 No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot
 input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the
 braille settings.
 
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three
 finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.
 
 Cheers,
 Brett.
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general,
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and
 could not find it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi David.
 
 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option
 unfortunately. I hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden
 dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode
 on my iPhone, and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille
 input. I looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple 

Re: Braille input mode

[Cheryl Homiak]

That makes sense but I think there is room on the 6 plus!

 -- 
 Cheryl 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears! 
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 


 On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's an iPad feature, since Apple figures there's enough space on the screen 
 for eight dots, but the smaller devices wouldn't have the room.
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Screen input in Braille does not support eight-dot mode. The Voiceover hint 
 says, put at most three fingers on either side of the screen. The setting 
 is in Seettings, general, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille, Screen input 
 mode. Unless this is a 64-bit feature, I don't find it on my iPod 5G.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Braille Screen Input does not offer any editing functions except for 
 deleting by character. This makes sense as there are editing functions 
 built into iOS so why reinvent the wheel? If you mean how to insert a new 
 line then flick right with two fingers.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 01/10/2014 15:20, Tim Emmons wrote:
 Speaking of braille input mode, and yes you can input braille in 8 when 
 you've selected it in the roter and can go from there. I'm sure Jonathan 
 talks about that, I haven't seen his book yet but I know he's a huge 
 proponent of that. I say that, to ask this. In doing braille input using 
 the iPad or iPhone, how does one go to the next line, or is there a way. 
 Thanks guys, and sorry if I confused anybody. tAke care.
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan's book is referring to braille input with a Braille display.
 It is not, for example, possible to enter any corded commands on the
 on screen keyboard. And there is not 8-dot braille input for the on
 screen keyboard on the phones.
 
 On 10/1/14, Anna  Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 this is from Jonathan Mozen's book iOS 8 without the eye available
 for $20 from National Braille press.  It's awesome:
 
 
 New Braille Commands
 
 A number of functions for which there has previously been no Braille
 command have now been assigned one.
 
 Pressing F-cord will perform a search of the screen. This is
 equivalent to using VO+F on a Bluetooth keyboard, and is particularly
 useful when searching for a string of text on a web page or within a
 document.
 
 Pressing q-chord toggles QuickNav on and off. This feature is
 particularly handy on web pages, since single-letter commands can be
 used to move to specific items on a web page.
 
 With the clear division of Braille functions into input and output
 categories, there have been some changes to a couple of commands.
 Previously, G-chord would toggle between contracted and uncontracted
 Braille, and the setting would affect input and output. G-chord now
 only changes Braille output. The three available options through
 which you can cycle are 6-dot, 8-dot, and Contracted.
 
 If you'd like to toggle Braille input, that's the domain of dots
 2-3-6-chord, which previously toggled between 6 and 8-dot Braille.
 Just as with output, the available choices are 6-dot, 8-dot, and
 Contracted.
 
 
 
 At 08:20 AM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
 No, the three-finger swipe to the right doesn't give eight-dot
 input, at least not on my 5S or 6+. And it isn't an option in the
 braille settings.
 
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't have a 6 plus phone so I can't test it, but try a three
 finger swipe to the right when the braille keyboard is open.
 
 Cheers,
 Brett.
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 1:04 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general,
 accessibility, VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and
 could not find it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen
 

Re: Braille input mode

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi David.

I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option unfortunately. I 
hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.

Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
Best regards Annie.
Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:

 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode on my iPhone, 
 and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille input. I 
 looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not find any 8 dot input 
 mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 
 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Braille input mode

[David Chittenden]

Yes, I also attempted to change the modes in settings, general, accessibility, 
VoiceOver, braille, onscreen braille input, and could not find it.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:11, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi David.
 
 I only think it is the IPad that has the 8 dots input option unfortunately. I 
 hope we can get apple to make it for the IPhone 6 plus.
 
 Have you tried with the three finger swipe to change modes.
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 01/10/2014 kl. 03.04 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode on my iPhone, 
 and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille input. I 
 looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not find any 8 dot 
 input mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me how to put the iPhone 6+ 
 into 8 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Braille input mode

[Cheryl Homiak]

I have a 6+ and as far as I can tell there is no eight-dot input option there.

I too love this input method and am using it more and more!


-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 30, 2014, at 8:04 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I am now performing all of my writing using braille input mode on my iPhone, 
 and absolutely love this input mode.
 
 Someone reported that the iPhone 6+ has 8 dot mode for braille input. I 
 looked at a 6+ yesterday in the Apple store. I could not find any 8 dot input 
 mode for the demo 6+. Can you please tell me how to put the iPhone 6+ into 8 
 dot braille input mode?
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone 
unless it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and 
have no interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot 
Braille screen input on the iPad including the Mini.



Sent from my laptop

On 27/09/2014 20:25, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the 
iPhone as well as the iPad.

HTH,
Anna



On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top 
mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. 
Really digging the wider keys.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 
6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is 
the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.




On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes

On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.

Neal


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

Nicki and others,

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.

2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.

4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6.  When done rotor once left or right

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Devin]

Hi all. I'm  writing this with braille mode.  Thee space is a little quirky, 
but my goodness itworks!-.iPad

 On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Nicki Keck jesusgir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more 
 like a slate and stylus.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Rose Combs
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I 
 get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds 
 whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would 
 have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never 
 been particularly adept at that. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 christopher hallsworth
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on 
 there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite 
 happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
  
 On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
  
 
 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a 
 slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would 
 feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the 
 feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But 
 it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
  
 
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is 
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a 
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. 
 They're different, but similar enough.
  
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
  
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and 
 a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, 
 and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
 reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfSandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[RobH.]

Oddly,  and blessedly for me;  the fingers used for the dots, remain the 
same in both.  Good job I was brought up on the old slate mind so I can work 
it out everywhichway.

- Original Message - 
From: Nicki Keck jesusgir...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro



On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com  wrote:



Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.



-- 

Cheryl



I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
mailto:batsfly...@me.com  wrote:



I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:



Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out



Nicki

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

I'm right there with you, Deb. My gestures still aren't always recognized when 
I use the onscreen Braille keyboard. And yesterday, while I was talking on the 
phone using my Bluetooth headset, I tried to respond to a text message using 
the onscreen Braille keyboard, and Bluetooth crashed, routing the call to the 
handset. I can reproduce this every time. I'm telling you, something funky is 
going on here.

CHERYL

Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Teresa Cochran]

Braille input is actually available on any device that can run iOS8. I''m using 
Braille input on my iPod Touch 5G.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone unless 
 it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and have no 
 interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot Braille screen 
 input on the iPad including the Mini.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 27/09/2014 20:25, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi,
 
 You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on 
 the iPhone as well as the iPad.
 
 HTH,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table 
 top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a 
 Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch 
 between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? 
 This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method 
 and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old 
 one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to 
 the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots 
 one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and 
 braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille 
 setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find

RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Tom Rash]

When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the
right or the left, or is it nonspecific? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote:
 How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top 
 mode once you activate the braille screen input?
 And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
 Thanks.
 Jerry Mader

_

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using 
 a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins 
 brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it 
 gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins 
 brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way
to do it.


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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Rose Combs]

Well I will eventually figure it out I hope.  I have been fairly busy or too
tired to do anything.  They tell me it will pass but at this point not sure.


 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nicki Keck
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 

Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 

I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:

 

Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it. 

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

 

Neal

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others,

 

I don't know if this will help you

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[RobH.]

I tried it both ways and it worked.  But I hadn't had the dots all mixed up.
- Original Message - 
From: Tom Rash dadnthed...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the
right or the left, or is it nonspecific?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote:
 How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top
 mode once you activate the braille screen input?
 And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
 Thanks.
 Jerry Mader

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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using
 a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins
 brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it
 gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins
 brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way
to do it.


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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Nicki Keck]

I am happy to report that Cheryl’s tips have helped me and now I am using 
braille input fairly effectively.  The only problem I had was one of my own 
making, after I figured it out.  I switched to 6dot uncontracted so that my 
characters would be spelled out.  Kept thinking I should be using computer 
braille and so kept pressing dots 4-6 for a period and getting underscore and 
getting frustrated, until it hit me, 6-dot uncontracted would mean regular 
grade 1 braille.  So once I figured out that, I am actually really happy with 
the 6-dot uncontracted, because getting dots 1-6 figured out is enough; I don’t 
want to deal with dots 7 and 8 as well.  I think I may even switch to 6-dot 
uncontracted on my braille display as well.  I still make some mistakes, but I 
am way better than I was and it is faster even than direct touch typing.  I may 
even remove fleksy, which isn’t working right for me anyway, as braille input 
for me is faster than even that.  So thakns for all the help.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Teresa Cochran
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

You do have to choose Braille in each edit field.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Dan Beaver dbeaver...@gmail.com 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi,

 

I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I have 
one question about the braille input keyboard.

 

Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field?  Or, 
do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit field?

 

thanks.

 

Dan Beaver 

 

From: Sandy Finley mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com  

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others, 

 

I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The 
Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor 
follows the edit field around. 

 

2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
unconstructed Braille.

 

4.   Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6.   When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
again. HTH

 

Sandy 

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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Nicki Keck]

I tried screen away mode because that was what the podcaster was doing, but
I, like you, Cheryl, prefer tabletop mode, now that I have it working.  I
never was good at using a slate and stylus, so Perkins is the way to go for
me.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
mailto:batsfly...@me.com  wrote:





I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:





Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it. 

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

 

Neal

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others,

 

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.

 

2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.

 

4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.   

6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH

 

Sandy

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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Rose Combs]

The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:





Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:





I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:





Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it. 

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

 

Neal

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others,

 

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.

 

2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.

 

4.  Flick once left to erase

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch 
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote:

How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top mode
once you activate the braille screen input?
And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
Thanks.
Jerry Mader

   _

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.



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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Regina Alvarado]

Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is 
the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. 


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.



 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Alex Hall]

Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 
6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This 
 is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Jonathan Mosen]

This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top 
mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. 
Really digging the wider keys.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

 On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch 
 between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
 mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This 
 is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com 
 mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com mailto:batsfly...@me.com 
 wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com 
 mailto:roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org 
 mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the 
iPhone as well as the iPad.

HTH,
Anna



On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top 
 mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a 
 Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch 
 between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This 
 is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy
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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Nicki Keck]

Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com  wrote:

 

Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
mailto:batsfly...@me.com  wrote:

 

I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:

 

Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it. 

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

 

Neal

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others,

 

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.

 

2.  I

RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Nicki Keck]

3-finger swipe down.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This
is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. 


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but when I
actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often says I've got
four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I have only three
which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the upper case but instead of
the upper case I it always enters 9 for example. Practicing several hours
I've made about three readable words. definitely not bothering to do this
for my unlock code, LOL. So I'm moving on to better ways of using my time
and hoping it's better at some future time.



 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy 
 is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this 
 method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays
and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and 
 seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you 
 said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in 
 braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes 
 entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to 
 really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not 
 be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving 
 it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old 
 one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using 
 an onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser 
 but, I have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back 
 to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were 
 writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, 
 note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it 
 interesting that you have both on the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have 
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille 
 setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does 
 not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point 
 so I write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Cheryl Homiak]

Absolutely. Using tabletop mode is more like using a braille writer and using 
away mode is more like using a slate and stylus unless somebody has found a 
different way of placing fingers than I have found.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Nicki Keck jesusgir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more 
 like a slate and stylus.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Rose Combs
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I 
 get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds 
 whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would 
 have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never 
 been particularly adept at that. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 christopher hallsworth
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on 
 there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite 
 happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
  
 On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
  
 
 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a 
 slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would 
 feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the 
 feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But 
 it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
  
 
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is 
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a 
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. 
 They're different, but similar enough.
  
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
  
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and 
 a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, 
 and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
 reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfSandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[roseco...@q.com]

Well I will look at it but it may not be for a couple of weeks I've got a lot 
of things going on right now

Sent from my iPhone Rose Combs

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and 
 a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, 
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille 
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the 
 device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
 characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
 unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.   
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Dan Beaver]

Hi,

I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I have 
one question about the braille input keyboard.

Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field?  Or, 
do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit field?

thanks.

Dan Beaver 


From: Sandy Finley 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


Nicki and others, 

 

I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The 
Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor 
follows the edit field around. 

 

2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
unconstructed Braille.

 

4.   Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6.   When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
again. HTH

 

Sandy 


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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Alex Hall]

You must always switch into it. Once you get used to doing a rightward rotor 
gesture, it really isn't a problem, and it certainly beats needing to switch to 
a whole different app. :) Now they just need to work out the minor bugs and 
we'll be off and running!
On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Dan Beaver dbeaver...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
  
 I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I 
 have one question about the braille input keyboard.
  
 Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field?  
 Or, do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit 
 field?
  
 thanks.
  
 Dan Beaver
 
 From: Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
 characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
 unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.   Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.   When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
 
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Teresa Cochran]

You do have to choose Braille in each edit field.

Teresa

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the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Dan Beaver dbeaver...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I 
 have one question about the braille input keyboard.
  
 Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field?  
 Or, do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit 
 field?
  
 thanks.
  
 Dan Beaver
 
 From: Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo  
 characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
 unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.   Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.   When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

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On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:32 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 Yw!
 
 There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a 
 thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have 
 time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now.
 
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 On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something 
 that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not 
 sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. 
 And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it 
 would appear that there is an easier way.
  
 This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a 
 little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.
  
 Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.
  
 Neal
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots 
 stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very 
 confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put 
 this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is 
 supposed to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.
  
 If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and 
 tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then 
 turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from 
 left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will 
 have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of 
 my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side 
 but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If 
 I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further 
 right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with 
 the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing 
 me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to 
 right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button.  Then putting three 
 fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is 
 toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side 
 but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like 
 brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the 
 middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a 
 braille writer. This  of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where 
 I wanted a space.
  
 Here's the same equation with the home button on the left:
 If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it 
 away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn 
 it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 
 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my 
 lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the 
 home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the 
 dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is 
 the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would 
 have the space key between the 1 and the 4. 
  
 I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other 
 words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat 
 on my lap 

RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Rose Combs]

Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a 
Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille 
writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days 
when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and 
three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others, 

 

I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The 
Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor 
follows the edit field around. 

 

2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
unconstructed Braille.

 

4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.   

6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. 
HTH

 

Sandy 

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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Alex Hall]

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and 
 a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, 
 and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
 reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
 characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
 unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.   
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Teresa Cochran]

I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better 
in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is 
like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're 
different, but similar enough.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and 
 a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, 
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille 
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the 
 device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
 characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
 unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.   
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Deb Lewis]

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.



On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.

 Teresa

 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !

 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes

 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:

 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.

 Neal


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 Nicki and others,

 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.

 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.

 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH

 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate 
and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I 
happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that 
they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that 
there is more than one way to do it.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is 
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a 
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. 
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one 
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, 
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille 
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the 
 device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfSandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have 
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not 
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write 
 in unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.   
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[christopher hallsworth]

Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on 
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily 
type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a 
 slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would 
 feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the 
 feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But 
 it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is 
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a 
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. 
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one 
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an 
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I 
 have never tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, 
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille 
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on 
 the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfSandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have 
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not 
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write 
 in unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.   
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Teresa Cochran]

I find that the ergonomic design of tabletop mode throws me off, and doesn't 
feel exactly like a Perkins. Away mode has the three vertical dots in a 
straight line, and I find that easier, despite the odd placement. I wanted to 
learn both methods, and I'll still practice with both, though.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:25 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on 
 there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite 
 happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a 
 slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would 
 feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the 
 feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But 
 it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is 
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a 
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. 
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille 
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my 
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it 
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the 
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one 
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an 
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I 
 have never tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, 
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille 
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on 
 the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfSandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have 
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the 
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting 
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in 
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not 
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I 
 write in unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.   
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Jerry Mader]

How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top mode
once you activate the braille screen input?
And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
Thanks.
Jerry Mader

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. 

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:


I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:



Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:


Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

Neal


From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.

2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.

4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.   
6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH

Sandy
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[Neal Ewers]

That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days 
when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and 
three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others, 

 

I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The 
Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor 
follows the edit field around. 

 

2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

 

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
unconstructed Braille.

 

4.   Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6.   When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
again. HTH

 

Sandy 

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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 

 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, 
 and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
 reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
  
 3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
  
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not echo 
 characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in 
 unconstructed Braille.
  
 4.   Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.   When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures 
 again. HTH
  
 Sandy
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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Neal Ewers]

Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something
that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not
sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me.
And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it
would appear that there is an easier way.

 

This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a
little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.

 

Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots
stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very
confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put
this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is
supposed to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.

 

If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and
tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then
turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from
left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will
have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of
my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side
but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If
I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further
right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with
the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing
me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to
right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button.  Then putting three
fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is
toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side
but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like
brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the
middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a
braille writer. This  of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where
I wanted a space.

 

Here's the same equation with the home button on the left:

If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it
away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn
it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3
with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my
lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the
home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the
dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is
the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would
have the space key between the 1 and the 4. 

 

I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other
words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat
on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode
and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long
side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.

 

If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much,
in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and
3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side
which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer
at least not for me.

 

Hth.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:





Nicki and others,

 

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from  others that helped me with the braille input.

 

1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.

 

2.   I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

 

3.   Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just 

Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yw!

There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a thread 
on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have time to go 
back and reiterate it or repost it right now.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

 Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something 
 that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not 
 sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And 
 I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would 
 appear that there is an easier way.
  
 This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little 
 less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.
  
 Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.
  
 Neal
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay 
 backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to 
 try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try 
 to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is supposed to work but this 
 is what works for me for tabletop mode.
  
 If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn 
 the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn 
 it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to 
 right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 
 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left 
 hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going 
 from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three 
 fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get 
 an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to 
 my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the 
 right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 
 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button.  Then putting three fingers of my left 
 hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l 
 where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me 
 an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille 
 writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by 
 touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This  of 
 course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space.
  
 Here's the same equation with the home button on the left:
 If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it 
 away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn 
 it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 
 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my 
 lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home 
 button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are 
 then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they 
 are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space 
 key between the 1 and the 4. 
  
 I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other 
 words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat 
 on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode 
 and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long 
 side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.
  
 If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much,  
 in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 
 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side which 
 of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer at least 
 not for me.
  
 Hth.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 

RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

[Neal Ewers]

Yes, I have that thread. I'll try that as well.

 

Thanks.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Yw!

 

There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a
thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have
time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:





Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something
that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not
sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me.
And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it
would appear that there is an easier way.

 

This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a
little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.

 

Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.

 

Neal

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots
stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very
confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put
this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is
supposed to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.

 

If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and
tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then
turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from
left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will
have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of
my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side
but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If
I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further
right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with
the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing
me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to
right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button.  Then putting three
fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is
toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side
but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like
brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the
middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a
braille writer. This  of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where
I wanted a space.

 

Here's the same equation with the home button on the left:

If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it
away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn
it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3
with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my
lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the
home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the
dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is
the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would
have the space key between the 1 and the 4. 

 

I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other
words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat
on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode
and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long
side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.

 

If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much,
in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and
3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side
which of course does not feel like

Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[christopher hallsworth]

Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen just 
like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in any 
text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always has 
been in previous releases.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.
 
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Wayne Merritt]

Okay, thanks all for the responses. I was talking about the ability
to, perhaps enter text with a Braille display like the new braille
input mode or handwriting modes for entering text. I don't think that
it would be that difficult since many displays are already supported
and can be used to enter text. In my suggestion to Apple
Accessibility, I mentioned that perhaps a dot 3 and space or dot 6 and
space could be used to switch between numbers, contracted, and
uncontracted braille. Given the new braille input mode I have heard of
in iOS 8, it seems like this could be possible. Oh well, perhaps in a
future update. I think it would be cool if they added it though since
that could mean input by Braille display to even more places in iOS.

Best,
Wayne

On 9/21/14, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen just
 like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in any
 text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always has
 been in previous releases.

 Sent from my Macbook Pro

 On 19 Sep 2014, at 22:04, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.

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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Teresa Cochran]

It has been possible to use Braille input on a display since Voiceover was 
implemented. This works independently from any screen input mode. The onscreen 
Braille input is meant for you to be able to Braille directly onto the 
touchscreen. This comes in handy if you don't have a Braille display or if you 
don't have it handy.

Teresa

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the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay, thanks all for the responses. I was talking about the ability
 to, perhaps enter text with a Braille display like the new braille
 input mode or handwriting modes for entering text. I don't think that
 it would be that difficult since many displays are already supported
 and can be used to enter text. In my suggestion to Apple
 Accessibility, I mentioned that perhaps a dot 3 and space or dot 6 and
 space could be used to switch between numbers, contracted, and
 uncontracted braille. Given the new braille input mode I have heard of
 in iOS 8, it seems like this could be possible. Oh well, perhaps in a
 future update. I think it would be cool if they added it though since
 that could mean input by Braille display to even more places in iOS.
 
 Best,
 Wayne
 
 On 9/21/14, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen just
 like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in any
 text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always has
 been in previous releases.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 19 Sep 2014, at 22:04, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Wayne
 
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Wayne Merritt]

Understood. I was thinking it would be handy to enter the first few
letters of an app's name on a home screen with a braille display,
verses having to search each screen or find a certain app which may be
on screen 4 or 7 and then open the app.

Wayne

On 9/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 It has been possible to use Braille input on a display since Voiceover was
 implemented. This works independently from any screen input mode. The
 onscreen Braille input is meant for you to be able to Braille directly onto
 the touchscreen. This comes in handy if you don't have a Braille display or
 if you don't have it handy.

 Teresa

 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay, thanks all for the responses. I was talking about the ability
 to, perhaps enter text with a Braille display like the new braille
 input mode or handwriting modes for entering text. I don't think that
 it would be that difficult since many displays are already supported
 and can be used to enter text. In my suggestion to Apple
 Accessibility, I mentioned that perhaps a dot 3 and space or dot 6 and
 space could be used to switch between numbers, contracted, and
 uncontracted braille. Given the new braille input mode I have heard of
 in iOS 8, it seems like this could be possible. Oh well, perhaps in a
 future update. I think it would be cool if they added it though since
 that could mean input by Braille display to even more places in iOS.

 Best,
 Wayne

 On 9/21/14, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen
 just
 like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in
 any
 text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always
 has
 been in previous releases.

 Sent from my Macbook Pro

 On 19 Sep 2014, at 22:04, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.

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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

A reasonably quick way to search for an app and open it is to make sure focus 
is anywhere other than the status bar. Then type Space with dots 3-4-5-6. This 
opens Spotlight. Type a few characters and press Enter. Press Space with Dot 4 
a few times, and you should reach the app you want. Press Return again to open 
it.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 21, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Understood. I was thinking it would be handy to enter the first few
 letters of an app's name on a home screen with a braille display,
 verses having to search each screen or find a certain app which may be
 on screen 4 or 7 and then open the app.
 
 Wayne
 
 On 9/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 It has been possible to use Braille input on a display since Voiceover was
 implemented. This works independently from any screen input mode. The
 onscreen Braille input is meant for you to be able to Braille directly onto
 the touchscreen. This comes in handy if you don't have a Braille display or
 if you don't have it handy.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay, thanks all for the responses. I was talking about the ability
 to, perhaps enter text with a Braille display like the new braille
 input mode or handwriting modes for entering text. I don't think that
 it would be that difficult since many displays are already supported
 and can be used to enter text. In my suggestion to Apple
 Accessibility, I mentioned that perhaps a dot 3 and space or dot 6 and
 space could be used to switch between numbers, contracted, and
 uncontracted braille. Given the new braille input mode I have heard of
 in iOS 8, it seems like this could be possible. Oh well, perhaps in a
 future update. I think it would be cool if they added it though since
 that could mean input by Braille display to even more places in iOS.
 
 Best,
 Wayne
 
 On 9/21/14, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen
 just
 like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in
 any
 text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always
 has
 been in previous releases.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 19 Sep 2014, at 22:04, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.
 
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[RobH!]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but input from an external braille keyboard would 
send to the iDevice just like a qwerty external keyboard, so cranking round 
the rotor to braille would serve no purpose, probably complicate the issue.

The rotor setting is for those who can't or don't have an external braille 
keyboard.

robH.
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To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[RobH!]

Ok, this is much more interesting.

So,  anyone with a working external keyboard, a bluetooth one - I know it's 
been an issue!
But,  if you have a working external keyboard,  do as he asks, crank the 
rotor round to braille, then tap the first letter of an app that should be 
on the screen, and see if it finds anything.

That would be useful, and,  if it worked for one, it should work for the 
other.

JMO, RobH.

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Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Sorry, I suppose I should have explained more. I was wondering if you
could turn the rodar to braille when on a home screen and use the
braille display to open apps from the home screen? I know you can
braile things from the display in different edit boxes and files.

Wayne

On 9/19/14, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote:
 In iOS7 (and before), with your braille display Bluetooth paired and
 Voiceover running, you can already write (in braille) with your braille
 display's keys, without need of any rotor adjustment beyond the usual
 Voiceover things. You can also write with the onscreen keyboard and your
 output can be read from the braille display. I suppose the feedback
 might be a bit quicker, with Contracted braille, but we already know
 that braille translation is not the most instant or intuitive synergy. .
 .

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 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:04 PM
 Subject: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.

 Thanks in advance,
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[RobH!]

Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a 
letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have 
it find something.

I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.

RobH, wondering where to borrow one.

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Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting 
for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware 
braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .

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  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:24 AM
  Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


  I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he 
can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home 
screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I 
missed something, this is still not possible.

  On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:


you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no 
need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

  On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
  and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
  the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
  Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
  display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
  and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
  so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
  and it would be great if they added that ability.


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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[RobH!]

Coo, that's useful; not done that before, got more than I bargained for, 
too.

Rh.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Do a three finger swipe down on a home screen to bring up the spot light
search.

On 09/19/2014 10:03 PM, David wrote:
 Well, it can be done the same way it is done with a QWERTY keyboard,
 through spotlight search. I always use handwriting feature for this
 purpose, so do not remember how to bring up spotlight search.

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 On 20 Sep 2014, at 13:24, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
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 I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if
 he can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on
 the home screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow.
 Unless I missed something, this is still not possible.
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com
 mailto:ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone,
 no need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com
 mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Teresa Cochran]

I'm confused by your question, because using the onscreen keyboard doesn't have 
anything to do with an external device. It's like turning to handwriting mode 
and trying to use an external keyboard. I don't think the two modes are 
compatible. I did try using a Braille display to enter text while on the home 
screen, and it doesn't work, with or without the onscreen mode being activated.

Teresa

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the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:37 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a 
 letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have 
 it find something.
 
 I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.
 
 RobH, wondering where to borrow one.
 
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 From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:06 AM
 Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8
 
 
 Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting 
 for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware 
 braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:24 AM
  Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8
 
 
  I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he 
 can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home 
 screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I 
 missed something, this is still not possible.
 
  On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no 
 need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.
 
  On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
  and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
  the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
  Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
  display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
  and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
  so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
  and it would be great if they added that ability.
 
 
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

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No.  If your rotor is set to handwriting, handwriting is all you can do, and 
not from an external device.  It is done on the touch screen.  That would be 
like trying to write onto a sheet of paper by using a typewriter across the 
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Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a
letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have
it find something.

I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.

RobH, wondering where to borrow one.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting
for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware
braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .

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 From: Alex Hall

 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:24 AM
 Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


 I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he
can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home
screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I
missed something, this is still not possible.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:


   you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no
need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Flor Lynch]

In iOS7 (and before), with your braille display Bluetooth paired and
Voiceover running, you can already write (in braille) with your braille
display's keys, without need of any rotor adjustment beyond the usual
Voiceover things. You can also write with the onscreen keyboard and your 
output can be read from the braille display. I suppose the feedback 
might be a bit quicker, with Contracted braille, but we already know 
that braille translation is not the most instant or intuitive synergy. . 
.


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Subject: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

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