RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

As the conversation in this thread has gotten way off-topic, I request that it 
be closed.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Perhaps if Apple could get someone to write a Accessible version of a program 
to make it much easier to transfer content to your Ios device, that would be 
great!
 
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
 
Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security. There 
is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there affecting the 
Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there are a few Android 
fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to generate outraged 
comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I don’t want to say that iOS 
is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly have a secure phone over one which 
allows me and everybody else along with it to do whatever I want with it.
I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it more 
open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing the secure 
“walled garden” concept.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
 
Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long as 
their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as you 
say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that 
though.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app.  
 
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
 
Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple would 
allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)
 
 
Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
will happen real soon!

-Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


Hi all,
I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made a 
purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for the 
drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to 
option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my 
computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
now.
Terrie Terlau

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will handle 
all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I mean, 
suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given size, 
$20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
would take a while to upload t

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

Perhaps if Apple could get someone to write a Accessible version of a program 
to make it much easier to transfer content to your Ios device, that would be 
great!

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security. There 
is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there affecting the 
Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there are a few Android 
fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to generate outraged 
comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I don’t want to say that iOS 
is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly have a secure phone over one which 
allows me and everybody else along with it to do whatever I want with it.

I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it more 
open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing the secure 
“walled garden” concept.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long as 
their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as you 
say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that 
though.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app.  

   

  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 

  Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

   

  Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple would 
allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)

   

   

  Carol P

  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille


  On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

  At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
will happen real soon!

  -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


  Hi all,
  I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made a 
purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for the 
drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to 
option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my 
computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
  Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
now.
  Terrie Terlau

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

  Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will 
handle all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I 
mean, suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given 
size, $20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

  Chip


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

  From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
  file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
  from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
  would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
  would be a lot faster in my case.

  -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and scre

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[rajmund]

Hello,
If something was ever off topic, this is it. But, the play store contains 
rooting apps, app store doesn't contain jailbreaking tools. That might be 
something to look at.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 7 May 2016, at 3:54 am, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I understand what you're saying, sieghard. I do not think there is as much 
> difference security wise between the platforms as there used to be. Google is 
> getting better about security. If you don't route your device, and don't get 
> apps from places that are not the play store, your chances of getting a virus 
> are much less. I still think it is more than iOS. But I'm not sure why that 
> would be a problem for Apple to let us have thumb drives that we can actually 
> use for  expand storage and access like you can drive on your Mac, four 
> instance. Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security. 
>> There is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there 
>> affecting the Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there are 
>> a few Android fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to generate 
>> outraged comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I don’t want to 
>> say that iOS is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly have a secure phone 
>> over one which allows me and everybody else along with it to do whatever I 
>> want with it.
>> I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it more 
>> open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing the 
>> secure “walled garden” concept.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>>  
>> Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
>> On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long 
>> as their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
>> advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as 
>> you say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting 
>> for that though.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app. 
>>  
>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>>  
>> Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
>> your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
>> has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple 
>> would allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Carol P
>> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
>> 
>> On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
>> the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
>> option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this 
>> app accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, 
>> this will happen real soon!
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
>> impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material 
>> on the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I 
>> made a purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the 
>> software for the drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other 
>> drives offer the Send to option with accessible software if we want to, as I 
>> do, grab books from my computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
>> Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
>> play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good 
>> solutio

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Christopher Chaltain]

I like how anyone who disagrees with this post is going to be labeled as 
an Android fan boy. Not sure why people can't make their points and let 
them stand on their own. The fact of the matter is that you don't have 
to trade off security for functionality. I assume Apple does this to 
save themselves development and support costs, but this is a decision 
Apple and iPhone users have made.


Contrary to the statement below, Android does not allow your or anyone 
else to do whatever they want on your phone. This isn't true for 
Android, Windows, OSX or any other operating system perceived to be less 
secure than IOS. I'd encourage people to make up their own minds based 
on facts and not one sided statements like the one below. Believe it or 
not, someone can disagree with how Apple does something without being 
labeled an Android fan boy.


I know there is more malware on Android then there is on Apple, but 
numbers and statistics can be deceiving. There are more security 
vulnerabilities in IOS than Android, but this obviously doesn't make the 
Apple ecosystem less secure. Just because sweeps of the Play Store 
reveals more malware then what you'll see in the App Store doesn't mean 
that an Android user using some common sense will automatically be 
infected with malware and will have their phone taken over by some evil 
doer. Don't buy into the drama below.


Each platform has their own strengths and weaknesses. Security is 
obviously a strength of the Apple ecosystem, and it's perfectly OK for 
someone to take this into consideration when choosing an iPhone over 
another device. This doesn't mean that anyone who chooses another device 
or doesn't worry as much about security is a fan boy of another platform 
or has done anything wrong. Just because someone has a different set of 
priorities doesn't mean they're wrong.


For my part, I'm perfectly OK with the decisions I've made, and I don't 
get bent out of shape if someone makes a decision other than the one I 
made. I personally like choice, and I want as many accessible options 
out there as possible.


On 06/05/16 20:16, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security.
There is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there
affecting the Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there
are a few Android fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to
generate outraged comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I
don’t want to say that iOS is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly
have a secure phone over one which allows me and everybody else along
with it to do whatever I want with it.

I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it
more open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing
the secure “walled garden” concept.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so
long as their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is
a huge advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater
control, as you say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my
breath waiting for that though.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com
<mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app.

*From:*'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Sent:*Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:*Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive
save in your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you
know? I guess it has its own software and that is what I do not
really like. I wish Apple would allow us to take more control of our
phones! :-)

Carol P

Sent from my iPhone using MBraille


On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com
<mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in
option, is the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive
that has the open in option, I would like to know about it.  I'm
waiting for them to make this app accessible with voiceover.
Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this will happen real soon!

-Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Mary Otten]

I understand what you're saying, sieghard. I do not think there is as much 
difference security wise between the platforms as there used to be. Google is 
getting better about security. If you don't route your device, and don't get 
apps from places that are not the play store, your chances of getting a virus 
are much less. I still think it is more than iOS. But I'm not sure why that 
would be a problem for Apple to let us have thumb drives that we can actually 
use for  expand storage and access like you can drive on your Mac, four 
instance. Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security. 
> There is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there affecting 
> the Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there are a few 
> Android fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to generate 
> outraged comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I don’t want to say 
> that iOS is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly have a secure phone over 
> one which allows me and everybody else along with it to do whatever I want 
> with it.
> I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it more 
> open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing the secure 
> “walled garden” concept.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>  
> Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
> On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long as 
> their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
> advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as you 
> say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for 
> that though.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app. 
>  
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>  
> Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
> your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
> has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple 
> would allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)
> 
>  
>  
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
> the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
> option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
> accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
> will happen real soon!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
> impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
> the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made 
> a purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for 
> the drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the 
> Send to option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books 
> from my computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
> Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
> play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
> now.
> Terrie Terlau
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will 
> handle all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small 
> (I mean, suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some 
> given size, $20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> 

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keep in mind that more control is proportionally equal to less security. There 
is a reason why there is so much mal ware and stuff out there affecting the 
Android platform and very little plagues iOS. I know there are a few Android 
fan boys and girls on here and I am probably going to generate outraged 
comments with this, but the facts are the facts. I don’t want to say that iOS 
is perfect since nothing is, but I gladly have a secure phone over one which 
allows me and everybody else along with it to do whatever I want with it.
I think iOS has come a long way in the last 3 or so years in making it more 
open with extensibility and all that without seriously sacrificing the secure 
“walled garden” concept.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long as 
their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as you 
say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that 
though.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne 
<russ94...@gmail.com<mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app.

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple would 
allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)


Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne 
<russ94...@gmail.com<mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:
At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
will happen real soon!

-Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


Hi all,
I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made a 
purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for the 
drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to 
option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my 
computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
now.
Terrie Terlau

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will handle 
all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I mean, 
suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given size, 
$20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
would be a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,

thank you for your comments. I think one of the reasons that so many of us find 
it hard to use iTunes is that most don't want to use it very often. Therefore, 
whatever you learn tends to get forgotten or quickly  superseded by the next 
version that is rolled out! That's when it becomes frustrating. I just wish 
they would leave it alone once they have got it working well for us,



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 2 May 2016, at 23:03, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Hi Carol,
 
iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.
Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.
Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.
I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.
I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.
 
 
I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.
 
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
 
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
 
Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that 
may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same 
thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really 
works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running 
VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on 
VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people 
hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the 
programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile!

Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can get 
away with!


Carol P


On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote:
Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be as useful 
as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple keeps it up 
complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes on every major 
version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup and 
restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature is driving me 
crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have sighted 
assistance for the initial setup...
Bad job, Apple!

S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić





29.4.2016. u 3:15, Richard Turner je napisao/la:
As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it 
is.
However, the real truth, in my o

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Mary, please don't! I won't either! Long live as both :-)
On 6 May 2016, at 16:17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long as 
their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as you 
say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that 
though.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app. 
>  
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>  
> Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
> your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
> has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple 
> would allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
> the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
> option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
> accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
> will happen real soon!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
> impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
> the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made 
> a purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for 
> the drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the 
> Send to option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books 
> from my computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
> Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
> play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
> now.
> Terrie Terlau
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will 
> handle all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small 
> (I mean, suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some 
> given size, $20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
> file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
> from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
> would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
> would be a lot faster in my case.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps
> since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very
> expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the
> limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far
> as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or
> OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?
> 
> The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Mary Otten]

I am with you, Carol. I can't get very excited about these drives, so long as 
their use is circumscribed with the use of a single app. That is a huge 
advantage of android. If Apple would just let us have greater control, as you 
say, that would be great. I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that 
though.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app. 
>  
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
>  
> Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
> your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
> has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple 
> would allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
> the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
> option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
> accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
> will happen real soon!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
> impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
> the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made 
> a purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for 
> the drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the 
> Send to option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books 
> from my computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
> Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
> play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
> now.
> Terrie Terlau
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will 
> handle all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small 
> (I mean, suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some 
> given size, $20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
> file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
> from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
> would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
> would be a lot faster in my case.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps
> since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very
> expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the
> limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far
> as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or
> OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?
> 
> The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash
> drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech
> support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

I’ll keep you updated.  The Leef Ibridge flash drive has it’s own app.  

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 6:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple would 
allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)






Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:


At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
will happen real soon!

-Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


Hi all,
I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made a 
purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for the 
drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to 
option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my 
computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
now.
Terrie Terlau

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will handle 
all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I mean, 
suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given size, 
$20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
would be a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can
access information stored in 

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Do keep us updated with this because I am interested. Does the drive save in 
your usual folders or does it have its own software, do you know? I guess it 
has its own software and that is what I do not really like. I wish Apple would 
allow us to take more control of our phones! :-)



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 4 May 2016, at 14:45, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this app 
accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, this 
will happen real soon!

-Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


Hi all,
I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made a 
purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for the 
drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to 
option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my 
computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
now.
Terrie Terlau

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will handle 
all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I mean, 
suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given size, 
$20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
would be a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which
you then have to plug into your Light

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Cher Bosch]

Apple support says that now you have to use drag and drop instead of the 
windows commands. (They made it sound like this was doable with WindowEyes!) If 
you will check however, I think you will find that you can still use those 
windows commands on older playlists (those created with iTunes versions prior 
to 12.2). These windows commands will not work with playlists created under the 
new versions.

Cher


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 9:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hello Kathy,

Hmm!  I have never used Window Eyes but I understand it is a fine screen reader.

As for the two tasks you mentioned:

1.
I have never attempted to use iTunes for editing track lengths.  I use Gold 
Wave for all my audio editing chores, in Windows.  I believe I am using version 
5.x of Gold Wave.  I believe there is a much newer version but, as yet, have 
not updated to it so cannot attest to its screen reader accessibility.

2.
As for adding songs to Playlists, I have never used the Windows Cut and Paste 
technique, choosing instead to use the Context menu method.  This is to say, 
when I want to add a title to a Playlist, I first select the title and then tap 
the Application key on my keyboard to bring up the Shortcut list of items one 
of which being the option labeled "add to playlist."   

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Metters
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

  Until recently, window eyes worked well with iTunes. It still works pretty 
well, I use it on a daily basis. Everything seems very  accessible. There are 
only two problems, I believe these are major ones; at least to me they are. Lol 
 The first major problem is the editing of the time length of a song. This is 
essential, in making ringtones. The next problem is that I used to be able to 
use the standard Windows commands for copy and paste and cut to work with my 
playlists and items in each playlist. However, for the last couple updates of  
iTunes, this functionality has been removed. Other than that, everything else 
works fine!

Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kathy,

Hmm!  I have never used Window Eyes but I understand it is a fine screen reader.

As for the two tasks you mentioned:

1.
I have never attempted to use iTunes for editing track lengths.  I use Gold 
Wave for all my audio editing chores, in Windows.  I believe I am using version 
5.x of Gold Wave.  I believe there is a much newer version but, as yet, have 
not updated to it so cannot attest to its screen reader accessibility.

2.
As for adding songs to Playlists, I have never used the Windows Cut and Paste 
technique, choosing instead to use the Context menu method.  This is to say, 
when I want to add a title to a Playlist, I first select the title and then tap 
the Application key on my keyboard to bring up the Shortcut list of items one 
of which being the option labeled "add to playlist."   

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Metters
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

  Until recently, window eyes worked well with iTunes. It still works pretty 
well, I use it on a daily basis. Everything seems very  accessible. There are 
only two problems, I believe these are major ones; at least to me they are. Lol 
 The first major problem is the editing of the time length of a song. This is 
essential, in making ringtones. The next problem is that I used to be able to 
use the standard Windows commands for copy and paste and cut to work with my 
playlists and items in each playlist. However, for the last couple updates of  
iTunes, this functionality has been removed. Other than that, everything else 
works fine!

Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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Syncing Audio Books to iPhone was RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Jerry White]

Thanks so much!

 

I use chapter and verse, because I like being able to use audible to listen
to them.  I guess I could start just splitting the original MP3's into 5
minute sections and putting it into VDR.  Tell you the truth, hadn't thought
of that one!  I just knew I didn't want to listen to them through the music
app!

 

Thanks for the help!  

PS:  I use a windows 7 machine with an iPhone 6 running the latest of
everything.  Thanks again!

Jerry

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

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  Until recently, window eyes worked well with iTunes. It still works pretty 
well, I use it on a daily basis. Everything seems very  accessible. There are 
only two problems, I believe these are major ones; at least to me they are. Lol 
 The first major problem is the editing of the time length of a song. This is 
essential, in making ringtones. The next problem is that I used to be able to 
use the standard Windows commands for copy and paste and cut to work with my 
playlists and items in each playlist. However, for the last couple updates of  
iTunes, this functionality has been removed. Other than that, everything else 
works fine!

Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jerry,

I am so disheartened to discover all of the difficulties list members are 
encountering when attempting to use iTunes for Windows via a screen reader.

However, the one big change apple has made to its book content is that now, 
unlike in the recent past, users no longer need to connect their iOS devices to 
a computer in order to synchronize either new or previously purchased titles to 
an iOS device.  

Consequently, one can now purchase, delete, and/or re-download titles via iOS, 
only.  Or, as I sometimes do, we can purchase a title via a computer and then 
download it in iOS.

I hope this information makes obtaining Apple's book content a little easier 
for you.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerry White
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I agree these areas are pretty much ok, with a minimal amount of headache.  I 
must point out, however, that syncing audio books to your phone is a nightmare! 
 I feel more like I am performing some feat of necromancy when trying to sync 
an audio book to my phone.  You have to go through many cumbersome "rituals" to 
do it.  You have to follow the steps correctly and hope that you get it right 
and can sync your book.  You have to perform them many times sometimes to get 
the results you want.

Other than this, I agree that iTunes is mostly useable.
-Jerry

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

It’s great it’s working that well for you, but for me with Window-Eyes, I am 
getting virtually no field name prompts, so instructions such as “tab until you 
hear …” don’t work for me.  At least, when I was trying to setup syncing they 
did not, and even now I could not duplicate whatever it took to break my 
particular log jam.

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi Carol,

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.
Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.
Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.
I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.
I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.


I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.


Regards,
Sieghard


From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and wou

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jerry,

I haven’t synced an audio book via iTunes in a long time since I almost 
exclusively use Audible and sometimes if I have a daisy or MP3 book I just get 
it into Voice Dream Reader via Dropbox. I guess I can now use iCloud drive for 
that, haven’t tried it yet. Anyhow, can you exlain if the books you sync 
consist of many MP3 files or do you use software like Chapter and Vers to make 
one file out of all the MP3 files? I’d like to try whatever method you use to 
see if I can provide any helpful tips.

Since it seems quite a lot of people are interested in this thread I suggest 
everybody writes to Apple Accessibility asking them to fix iTunes file sharing 
so it’s once again possible to use it with a screen reader. At the same time 
you may as well include the part about how syncing apps is a pain in the neck 
and they should fix it so screen reader users once again have a list with all 
the apps where a simple press of the spacebar selects an app to be synced.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerry White
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I agree these areas are pretty much ok, with a minimal amount of headache.  I 
must point out, however, that syncing audio books to your phone is a nightmare! 
 I feel more like I am performing some feat of necromancy when trying to sync 
an audio book to my phone.  You have to go through many cumbersome "rituals" to 
do it.  You have to follow the steps correctly and hope that you get it right 
and can sync your book.  You have to perform them many times sometimes to get 
the results you want.

Other than this, I agree that iTunes is mostly useable.
-Jerry

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

It’s great it’s working that well for you, but for me with Window-Eyes, I am 
getting virtually no field name prompts, so instructions such as “tab until you 
hear …” don’t work for me.  At least, when I was trying to setup syncing they 
did not, and even now I could not duplicate whatever it took to break my 
particular log jam.

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi Carol,

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.
Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.
Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.
I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.
I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.


I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.


Regards,
Sieghard


From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and .

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Cher,

You can see all the apps you have in your apps library (Control+7) where you 
can choose to display the list in various ways, iPhone “My Apps”, “iPhone 
apps”, “Updates” etc. I should actually say that it’s not a list but a grid, 
you have I think 6 or so apps across and however many rows it takes to show all 
your apps. If you right arrow it will wrap ariund to the leftmost app again 
once you come to the end of a row. Of course you can also just go to your 
iTunes Media folder and the Mobile Apps folder and you’ll see all your apps 
there in Windows Explorer/File Explorer.

As for seeing a list or a grid of apps when you are in the phone area and when 
you go to Apps in the treview, that one is not so easy any more. It used to be 
a nice listview, now Jaws often only reads the sizes of the apps and whether 
they are installed or not (if an app is installed there will be a “Remove” 
button, if it is not installed on your phone there is an “Install” button. 
However, if you know you want to install (or remove) a particular app via 
iTunes there is a search box in that section and if you type in the name of the 
app and then tab Jaws will read the app name, also the size and so on and then 
you will get to either the Install or Remove button. Activate it and then for 
me I can usually Shift+Tab once to get to the Apply button which will then 
either install or remove the app.

When I set up my wife’s iPhone 6S a few days ago I did a restore as new device 
via iTunes and I decided to put her apps back via iTunes. I first made sure 
they were all updated, then I just typed in the name of each app I wanted, 
tabbed to the install button and then found the Apply button and activated it. 
Once I heard the TriTone to indicate it was done I went back to the search box, 
typed in the name of the next app and repeated the process. A bit tedious, but 
the actual transfer/install is a lot faster than downloading from the App Store 
and I would have also had to find all the apps in the app store either by name 
or by going through the list of purchased apps so in the end it was probably 
about the same.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cher Bosch
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Sieghard- I don’t seem to be able to see the entire list of apps any longer… is 
that what you are referring to below? Thanks- Cher


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi Carol,

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.
Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.
Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.
I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.
I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.


I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.


Regards,
Sieghard


From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad tha

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Jerry White]

I agree these areas are pretty much ok, with a minimal amount of headache.  I 
must point out, however, that syncing audio books to your phone is a nightmare! 
 I feel more like I am performing some feat of necromancy when trying to sync 
an audio book to my phone.  You have to go through many cumbersome "rituals" to 
do it.  You have to follow the steps correctly and hope that you get it right 
and can sync your book.  You have to perform them many times sometimes to get 
the results you want.

 

Other than this, I agree that iTunes is mostly useable.

-Jerry

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

It’s great it’s working that well for you, but for me with Window-Eyes, I am 
getting virtually no field name prompts, so instructions such as “tab until you 
hear …” don’t work for me.  At least, when I was trying to setup syncing they 
did not, and even now I could not duplicate whatever it took to break my 
particular log jam.

 

Chip

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi Carol,

 

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.

Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.

Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.

I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.

I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.

 

 

I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that 
may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same 
thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really 
works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running 
VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on 
VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people 
hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the 
programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts o

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

At this point in time, the only drive I know that has the open in option, is 
the Leef Ibridge.  If anyone knows of any other drive that has the open in 
option, I would like to know about it.  I'm waiting for them to make this 
app accessible with voiceover.  Perhaps if several of us write tech support, 
this will happen real soon!


-Original Message- 
From: Terrie Terlau

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers


Hi all,
I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material 
on the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I 
made a purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the 
software for the drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other 
drives offer the Send to option with accessible software if we want to, as I 
do, grab books from my computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good 
solutions now.

Terrie Terlau

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will 
handle all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small 
(I mean, suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some 
given size, $20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).


Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers


From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the

file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer
would be a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which
you then have to plug into your Lightning port.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I
devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (on

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

Perhaps you should bring this up on the window eyes support list?

From: Chip Orange 
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 3:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

It’s great it’s working that well for you, but for me with Window-Eyes, I am 
getting virtually no field name prompts, so instructions such as “tab until you 
hear …” don’t work for me.  At least, when I was trying to setup syncing they 
did not, and even now I could not duplicate whatever it took to break my 
particular log jam.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi Carol,

 

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.

Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.

Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.

I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.

I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.

 

 

I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that 
may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same 
thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really 
works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running 
VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on 
VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people 
hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the 
programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile!

Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can get 
away with!


Carol P

On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote:

  Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
  I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be as 
useful as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple keeps it up 
complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes on every major 
version update.
  I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup and 
restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature is driving me 
crazy.
  And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

You are correct, I have a number of audio files I want to transfer to voice 
dream reader.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi Russ,

I am not saying it won't work for you, just that I have different needs. 
Obviously people are buying these drives and I assume find them useful. Most 
of my files are already in OneDrive or Dropbox and in my case I am talking 
about files that are business related so I don't really need to make them 
available offline. I guess if you are a heavy user of Voice Dream Reader 
where you have potentially large files you want to save to Voice Dream 
Reader one of these drives could be handy.



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the 
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file 
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This 
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer 
would be a lot faster in my case.


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps 
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very 
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the 
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far 
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or 
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via 
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the 
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that 
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is 
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are 
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your 
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that 
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can 
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or 
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are 
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which 
you then have to plug into your Lightning port.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I 
devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may 
have been Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly 
this (with the help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).


Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.


-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Terrie Terlau]

Hi all,
I am very eager to try one of these drives. However, I was first under the 
impression that most of them allowed the "Send to" option so that material on 
the drive could be sent to another app. I learned (fortunately before I made a 
purchase) that this is not the case. We need to wait till the software for the 
drive that allows Send To is accessible or until other drives offer the Send to 
option with accessible software if we want to, as I do, grab books from my 
computer and put them in Voice Dream Reader.
Let's keep our fingers crossed. For those of us who want to use the drive to 
play material in its proprietary app, some of these drives are good solutions 
now.
Terrie Terlau

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will handle 
all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I mean, 
suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given size, 
$20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the 
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file 
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This 
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer 
would be a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps 
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very 
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the 
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far 
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or 
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via 
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the 
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that 
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is 
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are 
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your 
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that 
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can 
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or 
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are 
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which 
you then have to plug into your Lightning port.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I 
devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may 
have been Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly 
this (with the help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Cher Bosch]

Sieghard- I don’t seem to be able to see the entire list of apps any longer… is 
that what you are referring to below? Thanks- Cher

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi Carol,

 

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.

Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.

Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.

I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.

I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.

 

 

I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that 
may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same 
thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really 
works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running 
VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on 
VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people 
hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the 
programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile!

Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can get 
away with!


Carol P

On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote:

Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be as useful 
as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple keeps it up 
complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes on every major 
version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup and 
restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature is driving me 
crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have sighted 
assistance for the initial setup...
Bad job, Apple!

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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Chip Orange]

Yes, I agree Rus, I think these drives, if they are accessible and will handle 
all file types, are far superior.  The increased cost is rather small (I mean, 
suppose they are $40 instead of $20 for a standard drive of some given size, 
$20 isn't so much that it makes it impossible).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the 
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file 
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This 
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer 
would be a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps 
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very 
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the 
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far 
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or 
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via 
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the 
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that 
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is 
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are 
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your 
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that 
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can 
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or 
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are 
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which 
you then have to plug into your Lightning port.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I 
devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may 
have been Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly 
this (with the help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.

-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on 
the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have ne

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Chip Orange]

It’s great it’s working that well for you, but for me with Window-Eyes, I am 
getting virtually no field name prompts, so instructions such as “tab until you 
hear …” don’t work for me.  At least, when I was trying to setup syncing they 
did not, and even now I could not duplicate whatever it took to break my 
particular log jam.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi Carol,

 

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.

Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.

Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.

I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.

I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.

 

 

I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

 

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that 
may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same 
thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really 
works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running 
VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on 
VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people 
hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the 
programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile!

Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can get 
away with!


Carol P

On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote:

Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be as useful 
as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple keeps it up 
complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes on every major 
version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup and 
restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature is driving me 
crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have sighted 
assistance for the initial setup...
Bad job, Apple!

S poštovanjem
 <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> Gordan Radić


 <http://www.nemoviz.org> Posjetite-portal-Nemoguća-vizija

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Russ,

I am not saying it won't work for you, just that I have different needs. 
Obviously people are buying these drives and I assume find them useful. Most of 
my files are already in OneDrive or Dropbox and in my case I am talking about 
files that are business related so I don't really need to make them available 
offline. I guess if you are a heavy user of Voice Dream Reader where you have 
potentially large files you want to save to Voice Dream Reader one of these 
drives could be handy.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

>From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the file 
>to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file from 
>the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This would 
>take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer would be 
>a lot faster in my case.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps since 
I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very expensive 
compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the limitation of 
only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far as I can tell I 
can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or OneDrive both of 
which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via whatever 
app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the drive and 
then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that matter, even copy 
it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is another example where 
you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are available on the iPhone or 
you have to use iTunes to sync them to your phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that they 
are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can access 
information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or OneDrive app. 
Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are in the cloud and 
with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which you then have to 
plug into your Lightning port.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I devices 
and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may have been 
Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly this (with the 
help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to transfer 
content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than itunes 11 was.

-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on the 
phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

From what I understand, with using dropbox, you first have to upload the 
file to the cloud.  Then you would use your Ios device to download the file 
from the cloud.  I have a number of zip files that are 600mb in size.  This 
would take a while to upload to dropbox.  Using a flash drive, the transfer 
would be a lot faster in my case.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps 
since I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very 
expensive compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the 
limitation of only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far 
as I can tell I can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or 
OneDrive both of which I already have installed and use.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via 
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the 
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that 
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is 
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are 
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your 
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that 
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can 
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or 
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are 
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which 
you then have to plug into your Lightning port.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I 
devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may 
have been Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly 
this (with the help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).


Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.


-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on 
the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect 
that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have no idea which dual USB-Lightning flash drives have accessible apps since 
I have no plans or interest in buying one. Most of them are very expensive 
compared to just an equivalent USB drive of the same size and the limitation of 
only using the app doesn't get me very excited. Anyhow, as far as I can tell I 
can do anything these flash drives can do with Dropbox or OneDrive both of 
which I already have installed and use.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via whatever 
app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the drive and 
then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that matter, even copy 
it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is another example where 
you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are available on the iPhone or 
you have to use iTunes to sync them to your phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that they 
are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can access 
information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or OneDrive app. 
Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are in the cloud and 
with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which you then have to 
plug into your Lightning port.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I devices 
and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may have been 
Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly this (with the 
help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to transfer 
content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than itunes 11 was.

-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on the 
phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend 
of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that 
window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which 
Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been 
years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have 
happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the 
case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

Do you happen to know which ones are the most accessible with voiceover?

The one I've been looking at is the Ibridge by Leef.  The app for this flash 
drive has a open in option.  I've been exchanging email with there tech 
support.  They tell me that  they hope to have this app accessible with 
voiceover very soon.  When this happens, I'll be buying one.  Then I can say 
vood buy to itunes file sharing!


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via 
whatever app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the 
drive and then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that 
matter, even copy it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is 
another example where you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are 
available on the iPhone or you have to use iTunes to sync them to your 
phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that 
they are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can 
access information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or 
OneDrive app. Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are 
in the cloud and with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which 
you then have to plug into your Lightning port.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I 
devices and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may 
have been Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly 
this (with the help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).


Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.


-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on 
the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect 
that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their 
publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and 
screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about 
other screen readers? Do any work well?

Mary

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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carol,

iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file 
transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I 
always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes.
Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and 
primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones 
you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if 
you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few 
times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” 
or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced 
and which my wife now has.
Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, 
restores and backups is also not difficult.
I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can 
still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead 
of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I 
just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the 
different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc.
I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to 
see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts 
for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies 
etc. work very well.


I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made 
accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not 
nearly as bad as many people make it out to be.


Regards,
Sieghard


From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's 
really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's 
so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really 
need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal 
changes made and ... heaps more!

We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who 
are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or 
were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those 
who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about 
the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that 
may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same 
thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really 
works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running 
VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on 
VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people 
hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the 
programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile!

Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can get 
away with!


Carol P

On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote:
Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be as useful 
as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple keeps it up 
complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes on every major 
version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup and 
restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature is driving me 
crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have sighted 
assistance for the initial setup...
Bad job, Apple!

S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić<mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>
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29.4.2016. u 3:15, Richard Turner je napisao/la:

As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it 
is.

However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it very hard for 
Windows based screen readers to work well with iTunes.

>From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that some'things work fine 
>with those screen readers and some things don't.

T

RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can access whatever information is on the USB drive, but only via whatever 
app goes with the drive. You cannot, for example, put music on the drive and 
then get this music to show up in the music app or, for that matter, even copy 
it to the internal storage of your iPhone. Ringtones is another example where 
you either have to buy them from iTunes so they are available on the iPhone or 
you have to use iTunes to sync them to your phone.
The thumb drives are really no different than Dropbox or OneDrive in that they 
are a way to access files stored on them by the app just as you can access 
information stored in Dropbox or OneDrive with the Dropbox or OneDrive app. 
Only difference is that with Dropbox or OneDrive the files are in the cloud and 
with the USB drives they are physically on the drive which you then have to 
plug into your Lightning port.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I devices 
and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may have been 
Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly this (with the 
help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to transfer 
content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than itunes 11 was.

-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on the 
phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend 
of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that 
window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which 
Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been 
years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have 
happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the 
case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
Mary

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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Chip Orange]

What about those new thumb drives which are supposed to work on both I devices 
and Windows devices?  Can be sure of any of their names (one may have been 
Istick), but I thought I read they were supposed to do exactly this (with the 
help of an app which came supplied on the thumb drive).

Anyone know anything about these as an Itunes sync replacement?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.

-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have 
to interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can 
on the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect 
that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their 
publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and 
screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about 
other screen readers? Do any work well?
Mary

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[rajmund]

hello,
They could also just redesign it or something, not necessarily 
something for VI's only.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Mon, 2 May 2016 18:19:04 +0100
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ...  and it's not 
surprising!
It's really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all 
the
time ...  It's so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist 
for

those of us who really need iTunes to be straightforward, work
flawlessly out of the box, have minimal changes made and ...  
heaps more!


We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some 
of those

who are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't
currently work or were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write
individually, perhaps.

Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within 
Applevis for
those who are obviously probably more clued up than the average 
iTunes

VI user about the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?

If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to 
tweak
then that may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't 
all say

exactly the same thing!

Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for 
us that
really works, that can only be used with an I device which is 
obviously
running VoiceOver (so could be detected).  Yes, OK, 
theoretically, others
could turn on VO just to use the programme, and I guess some 
would as
many sighted people hate it - but maybe there are other 
safeguards Apple
could write into the programme, perhaps even being prepared to 
give us a

special ID code.

Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these 
are just
thoughts off the top of my head ...  so let's keep this thread 
going awhile!


Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as 
she can

get away with!


Carol P


On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radic wrote:
Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated.  It 
could be
as useful as it is with much, much more simpler interface but 
Apple
keeps it up complicated.  There's also a problem with interface 
changes

on every major version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, 
backup
and restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing 
feature

is driving me crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have 
sighted

assistance for the initial setup...
Bad job, Apple!

S postovanjem
*Gordan Radic* <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com

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Pisite nam <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> 	Posjetitenas na 
Facebooku

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29.4.2016.  u 3:15, Richard Turner je napisao/la:
As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in 
some ways it is.
However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it 
very hard for Windows based screen readers to work well with 
iTunes.
 From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that 
some'things work fine with those screen readers and some things 
don't.

That is true with Window-Eyes as well.
It really depends on how much one uses iTunes and what aspects 
the person uses the most as to which screen reader might perform 
the best.
No matter which screen reader you use, the bottom line is you 
need to know how to use it's advanced features if you are going 
to get anywhere with the Windows version of iTunes.
GW Micro was the first ones to really work with Apple to make 
iTunes accessible.  But the later versions of iTunes have made 
everything more complicated.

Richard


"The problem with people who have no vices is that generally 
you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying 
virtues."

Elizabeth Taylor
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten<motte...@gmail.com>  
wrote:


I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac.  
However, if friend of mine was just told by an Apple 
accessibility senior representative that window eyes works with 
iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which Apple says 
does that.  I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
been years, GW micro had been touting this fact.  But I know a 
lot of changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes 
since then I suspect that this is the case of apple not keeping 
their propaganda, I mean their publication, up-to-date.  So for 
you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions.  One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, 
what about o

Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this.

We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! 
It's really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the 
time ... It's so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for 
those of us who really need iTunes to be straightforward, work 
flawlessly out of the box, have minimal changes made and ... heaps more!


We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those 
who are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't 
currently work or were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write 
individually, perhaps.


Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for 
those who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes 
VI user about the problems and would back us in a meaningful way?


If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak 
then that may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say 
exactly the same thing!


Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that 
really works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously 
running VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others 
could turn on VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as 
many sighted people hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple 
could write into the programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a 
special ID code.


Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just 
thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile!


Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can 
get away with!



Carol P


On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote:

Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be 
as useful as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple 
keeps it up complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes 
on every major version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup 
and restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature 
is driving me crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have sighted 
assistance for the initial setup...

Bad job, Apple!

S poštovanjem
*Gordan Radić* 

Posjetite-portal-Nemoguća-vizija 

Pišite nam  	Posjetitenas na Facebooku 
 	Pratite nas na Twitteru 



29.4.2016. u 3:15, Richard Turner je napisao/la:

As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it 
is.
However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it very hard for 
Windows based screen readers to work well with iTunes.
 From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that some'things work fine 
with those screen readers and some things don't.
That is true with Window-Eyes as well.
It really depends on how much one uses iTunes and what aspects the person uses 
the most as to which screen reader might perform the best.
No matter which screen reader you use, the bottom line is you need to know how 
to use it's advanced features if you are going to get anywhere with the Windows 
version of iTunes.
GW Micro was the first ones to really work with Apple to make iTunes 
accessible. But the later versions of iTunes have made everything more 
complicated.
Richard


“The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty 
sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
Elizabeth Taylor
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend 
of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that 
window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which 
Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been 
years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have 
happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the 
case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
Mary

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[Jenifer Barr]

Thank you for that link! 

Jenifer Barr
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Jennifer,
> 
> You can get the BlindTunes scripts from this link. There is a nominal
> fee, but you cann try them for thirty days free of charge.
> 
> http://www.doitblind.com/BlindTunes/
> 
>> On 4/29/16, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> Hi. Where can I get the Blind Tunes scripts? Thanks.
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Jenifer571 on dice world
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:10 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using iTunes with Jaws for years with greater and lesser
>>> degrees of success depending on the versions of both applications. The
>>> BlindTunes scripts are helpful but not essential. And like someone
>>> else said, I prefer to do as much as possible on the iPhone though I
>>> an do backups and restores with iTunes.
>>> 
>>> Kimber
>>> 
 On 4/28/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
 I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if
 friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior
 representative
 that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen
 reader
 which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it
 literally
 has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of
 changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I
 suspect
 that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean
 their
 publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes
 and
 screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes
 works
 perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what
 about
 other screen readers? Do any work well?
 Mary
 
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Cher Bosch]

I'm doing everything with JAWS fairly easily-with one exception. Apple broke 
the ability to edit (re-arrange) playlists without a physical mouse to drag and 
drop with iTunes 12.2.1 and later. I can still edit playlists I already had 
created in previous versions. So now when a playlist is the way I want it, I 
copy it into one of the new version playlists so I can continue to use the 
older ones for editing playlists. Getting by for now ;)

Cher


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend 
of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that 
window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which 
Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been 
years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have 
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case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
Mary

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Kimber Gardner]

Jennifer,

You can get the BlindTunes scripts from this link. There is a nominal
fee, but you cann try them for thirty days free of charge.

http://www.doitblind.com/BlindTunes/

On 4/29/16, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> Hi. Where can I get the Blind Tunes scripts? Thanks.
>
> Jenifer Barr
> Jenifer571 on dice world
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:10 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been using iTunes with Jaws for years with greater and lesser
>> degrees of success depending on the versions of both applications. The
>> BlindTunes scripts are helpful but not essential. And like someone
>> else said, I prefer to do as much as possible on the iPhone though I
>> an do backups and restores with iTunes.
>>
>> Kimber
>>
>>> On 4/28/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if
>>> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior
>>> representative
>>> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen
>>> reader
>>> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it
>>> literally
>>> has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of
>>> changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I
>>> suspect
>>> that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean
>>> their
>>> publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes
>>> and
>>> screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes
>>> works
>>> perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what
>>> about
>>> other screen readers? Do any work well?
>>> Mary
>>>
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Rose Combs]

My guess is that out of the box no screen reader is going to play all that well 
with iTunes, it is doable, but takes a lot of time.  
One of the best interfaces I have seen to work is Jaws and Leasey, however, I 
had trouble paying for Leasey last summer, PayPal and I are not on the best of 
terms, and I avoid it like the plague.  There were some features in Leasey I'd 
never need or use but the iTunes experience for the few days I had the program 
was really one of the best.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 4:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I've been using iTunes with Jaws for years with greater and lesser
degrees of success depending on the versions of both applications. The
BlindTunes scripts are helpful but not essential. And like someone
else said, I prefer to do as much as possible on the iPhone though I
an do backups and restores with iTunes.

Kimber

On 4/28/16, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally
> has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of
> changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect
> that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their
> publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and
> screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works
> perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about
> other screen readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Rose Combs]

Huh!  Only game in town?  Maybe for that particular assistant but ... 


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Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You certainly have a good point about the difference between accessible and 
efficiently usable. iTunes on the Mac is not especially efficient in some 
cases. The specific context of my friends contacting the Apple people had to do 
with her iPhone, which died, and which she was apparently trying to restore 
from iTunes. She does not have window eyes. And her local cited help is not 
particularly screen reader competent either. So she ended up on the phone with 
the Apple folks. And that's when the senior person told her that window eyes 
was the only game in town.
Mary


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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing. 
> iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
> folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have  to 
> interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can  on 
> the phone.
> I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
> least.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

In the mean time, I’ll continue to look for a flash drive to do what I want to 
do.

From: Jenifer Barr 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 6:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I agree!! I wish we could find a third party ap also! One that can be used even 
if you don't have a jailbroken phone! I gave up on iTunes. I was saying words I 
shouldn't say while using it. Lol. 

Jenifer Barr 
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Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:


  I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.

  -Original Message- From: Cristóbal
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

  Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
  iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on the 
phone.
  I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

  I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

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I agree!! I wish we could find a third party ap also! One that can be used even 
if you don't have a jailbroken phone! I gave up on iTunes. I was saying words I 
shouldn't say while using it. Lol. 

Jenifer Barr
Jenifer571 on dice world
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
> transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
> itunes 11 was.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Cristóbal
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
> iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
> folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have to 
> interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can on 
> the phone.
> I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
> least.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

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Hi. Where can I get the Blind Tunes scripts? Thanks. 

Jenifer Barr
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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:10 AM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> I've been using iTunes with Jaws for years with greater and lesser
> degrees of success depending on the versions of both applications. The
> BlindTunes scripts are helpful but not essential. And like someone
> else said, I prefer to do as much as possible on the iPhone though I
> an do backups and restores with iTunes.
> 
> Kimber
> 
>> On 4/28/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if
>> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative
>> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader
>> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally
>> has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of
>> changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect
>> that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their
>> publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and
>> screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works
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>> Mary
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Afik Sofir]

Maybe we can try to let apple know?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 4:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.

-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have 
to interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can 
on the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

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Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect 
that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their 
publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and 
screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about 
other screen readers? Do any work well?
Mary

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Russ Kiehne]

I just wished there was a good third party program to make it easy to 
transfer content to your ios device.  Itunes 12 is much harder to use than 
itunes 11 was.


-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing.
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have 
to interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can 
on the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.


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Of Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect 
that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their 
publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and 
screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about 
other screen readers? Do any work well?

Mary

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Kimber Gardner]

I've been using iTunes with Jaws for years with greater and lesser
degrees of success depending on the versions of both applications. The
BlindTunes scripts are helpful but not essential. And like someone
else said, I prefer to do as much as possible on the iPhone though I
an do backups and restores with iTunes.

Kimber

On 4/28/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally
> has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of
> changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect
> that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their
> publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and
> screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works
> perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about
> other screen readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Gary Petraccaro]

I use Window-Eyes and am currently using 9.1 (not the most current version). 
There is no way of reviewing the screen with the current iTunes and in my 
limited attempts to actually use iTunes I've found not much success, though 
I can use it to access and move podcasts.  When I called the Apple help line 
about iTunes in the past I've gotten 1 helpful person, 1 person who said 
"Call your screen access program tech support.", and several people who 
tried to be helpful and were to some extent.  I am certainly not an iTunes 
advanced user, and neither am I any kind of power user, but when I have 
looked for help on using current iTunes versions, I've only found material 
referring to version 11.x.
I hope this helps and I would be grateful for anyone advancing this 
discussion and my understand of this program's usage.

Thanks.

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Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers


I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
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publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and 
screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about 
other screen readers? Do any work well?

Mary

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain.
I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could
be as useful as it is with much, much more simpler interface but
Apple keeps it up complicated. There's also a problem with interface
changes on every major version update.
I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia,
backup and restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing
feature is driving me crazy.
And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have
sighted assistance for the initial setup...
Bad job, Apple!


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

29.4.2016. u 3:15, Richard Turner je
  napisao/la:


  
As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it is.
However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it very hard for Windows based screen readers to work well with iTunes.
>From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that some'things work fine with those screen readers and some things don't.
That is true with Window-Eyes as well.
It really depends on how much one uses iTunes and what aspects the person uses the most as to which screen reader might perform the best.
No matter which screen reader you use, the bottom line is you need to know how to use it's advanced features if you are going to get anywhere with the Windows version of iTunes.
GW Micro was the first ones to really work with Apple to make iTunes accessible. But the later versions of iTunes have made everything more complicated.
Richard


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On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any work well?
Mary

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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[M. Taylor]

Well said, Richard.

I strongly urge any Jaws v17.x user to use the Touch Cursor in order to 
interact with iTunes for Windows.  I also use the tab key a great deal.  

Mark

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it 
is.
However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it very hard for 
Windows based screen readers to work well with iTunes.
>From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that some'things work fine 
>with those screen readers and some things don't.
That is true with Window-Eyes as well.
It really depends on how much one uses iTunes and what aspects the person uses 
the most as to which screen reader might perform the best.
No matter which screen reader you use, the bottom line is you need to know how 
to use it's advanced features if you are going to get anywhere with the Windows 
version of iTunes.
GW Micro was the first ones to really work with Apple to make iTunes 
accessible. But the later versions of iTunes have made everything more 
complicated.
Richard


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sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
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(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Richard Turner]

As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it 
is.
However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it very hard for 
Windows based screen readers to work well with iTunes.
>From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that some'things work fine 
>with those screen readers and some things don't.
That is true with Window-Eyes as well.
It really depends on how much one uses iTunes and what aspects the person uses 
the most as to which screen reader might perform the best.
No matter which screen reader you use, the bottom line is you need to know how 
to use it's advanced features if you are going to get anywhere with the Windows 
version of iTunes.
GW Micro was the first ones to really work with Apple to make iTunes 
accessible. But the later versions of iTunes have made everything more 
complicated.
Richard


“The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty 
sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
Elizabeth Taylor
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Cristóbal]

If they're a Jaws user, then there shouldn't be a problem. I do use iTunes for 
backing  up and major updates and other stuff in general, it's just not a 
pleasant or efficient experience. 
No clue about  NVDA, but I'd imagine the experience can't be too different. 
There are also Jaws scripts to "enhance" the screen reader experience, but 
they're not essential to interact with iTunes. There's just a lot of tabbing 
back and forth involved.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

You certainly have a good point about the difference between accessible and 
efficiently usable. iTunes on the Mac is not especially efficient in some 
cases. The specific context of my friends contacting the Apple people had to do 
with her iPhone, which died, and which she was apparently trying to restore 
from iTunes. She does not have window eyes. And her local cited help is not 
particularly screen reader competent either. So she ended up on the phone with 
the Apple folks. And that's when the senior person told her that window eyes 
was the only game in town.
Mary


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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing. 
> iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
> folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have  to 
> interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can  on 
> the phone.
> I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
> least.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
> 
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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Mary Otten]

You certainly have a good point about the difference between accessible and 
efficiently usable. iTunes on the Mac is not especially efficient in some 
cases. The specific context of my friends contacting the Apple people had to do 
with her iPhone, which died, and which she was apparently trying to restore 
from iTunes. She does not have window eyes. And her local cited help is not 
particularly screen reader competent either. So she ended up on the phone with 
the Apple folks. And that's when the senior person told her that window eyes 
was the only game in town.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing. 
> iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
> folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have  to 
> interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can  on 
> the phone.
> I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
> least.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers
> 
> I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
> friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
> that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
> which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has 
> been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes 
> have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this 
> is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
> up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers 
> two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well 
> with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen 
> readers? Do any work well?
> Mary
> 
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RE: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Cristóbal]

Accessible and easy to use aren't necessarily the same thing. 
iTunes is accessible, but it can be clunky to  get around in. Even sighted 
folks like to complain about  iTunes. I'm a Jaws uer and the times i have  to 
interact with iTunes, I can, but my preference is to do as much as I can  on 
the phone.
I will say, it is a good app for organizing your media library at the very 
least.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend 
of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that 
window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which 
Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been 
years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have 
happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the 
case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
Mary

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iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Mary Otten]

I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend 
of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that 
window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which 
Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been 
years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have 
happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the 
case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, 
up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two 
questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the 
latest version of window eyes? And two, what about other screen readers? Do any 
work well?
Mary

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