Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Dmitriy. Thanks for confirming what I suspected was happening.
Might  there be a way to force crowd sourcing in a future release? For example, 
I took a picture of a bottle of wine the other day. The object recognition 
engine came back with "wine bottle". Well Dah. Lol. I'd really like to have 
been able to force a crowd source on the picture to see if I could get more 
specific.

Thanks for a great app.

Jonathan
On 2/02/2013, at 1:52 PM, Dmitriy Konopatskiy  wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> After you click to take a picture does the app say "Picture 1 Take" or any 
> other number for that matter?
> 
> -Dmitriy
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Alex Stone  
> wrote:
> Lauren, I had a feeling that was how it did it, but wasn't sure. The problem
> I have though is that sometimes, you take a picture of something, and
> nothing happens. It doesn't tell you the image is being processed or
> anything
> Cheers
> Alex
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lauren Simmons
> Sent: 01 February 2013 21:15
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Information on how TapTapSee works
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer app
> works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store. This
> TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In other
> words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings responding. This
> is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This also may explain why
> 
> only general descriptions of objects are provided such as "black shoe,"
> "$20," "yellow blouse," "Lysol wipes," etc. I'm not certain yet that any
> sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case with bar
> code scanners.
> 
> Please try the following for best results:
> *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
> automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
> *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
> other side can send back their description
> *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture
> to be recognized.
> *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring camera
> 
> a little closer.
> 
> *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures of
> rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there
> recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
> describing meaningless things.
> 
> Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
> thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.
> 
> LS
> - Original Message -
> From: "Barbara Wilson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
> 
> 
> > No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
> > identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
> >
> > I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few
> 
> > of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a
> > class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
> >
> > Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
> > told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
> > coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
> >
> > Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
> > app is great.
> >
> > I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
> >
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Carol Pearson
> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
> >
> > Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
> > objects to start with?
> >
> > Carol P
> >
> > On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
> >> It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it
> >> a try.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
> >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
> >>
> >> What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
> >> far as visually impaired people are concerned?
> >>
> >> I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
> >> like to know why it's getting popular!
> >>
> >> Carol P
> >>
> >> On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
> >>> Eileen and Paul,
> >>>
> >>> The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as
> >>> an automatic flash.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a link to it:
> >>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
> >>>
> >>> Hope that helps,
> >>> Dmitriy
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> No y

Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Alan,
It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type 
with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in 
the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try 
it and see if it works for you.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience 
is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the 
correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that 
gets tiring.  How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen 
facing up and the fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of 
both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining 
fingers forming the rest of the V.  Perhaps it could be called table 
top move and the normal way, hand-held.


- Original Message -
*From:* BrailleTouch 
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

Hi Rob and everyone,
I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with
BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain
characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the
four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped
the
dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your
left
index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone
until you
find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then
type an
apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward
that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and
forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably
and reliably located your left hand.

Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right
index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring
finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and
the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position
for
your right hand.

I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to
BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain
characters
to work. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
> I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so
absolute
> accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the
area. I'd
> like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of
dimensions so we
> might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could
betray us.
> Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
>
> Thanks, RobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Regina Alvarado" mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>>
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>
>
> Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my
little finger
> but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away
from me and
> my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in
landscape.  What I
> need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far
do I put my
> Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait)
into the
> screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the
home button
> on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they
further
> into the screen?
> Reggie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jennie Facer
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>
> Hi,
>
> First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table.
Act as if
> you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back
camera.  now, put
> your palms on each end of the phone.  now rest your fingers
vertically on
> the screen.  dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6
are your
> right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at
each end of
> the screen.
>
> Write me off list if I can be of more helpp.
>
> Jenn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

[Regina Alvarado]

thanks Caleb. Much easier to navigate the menu by looking on the screen instead 
of flicking through.

I am still having the lagging problem, but turning Vo off and back on workS. 
However, a thought. I am running the newest upgrade on a 4s. I Upgraded over 
the air, not through iTunes. Could this be the problem? If that could be the 
problem, what can I do?

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:24 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

> Hi Karen,
> 
> Thanks. I'm glad you like BrailleTouch. There is a "Clear Text" button in the 
> BrailleTouch menu. It is near the bottom, and is only visible if you have 
> already typed text.
> 
> As a hint, the "Start Typing" or "Resume Typing" button is always anchored to 
> the bottom of the menu screen. You can touch the bottom of the screen and 
> then navigate from the bottom of the menu, if the menu option you want is 
> further down the list.
> 
> Best,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> On 2/2/2013 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:
>> I'm really impressed with this app.
>> 
>> Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by letter? 
>> I was searching for something like a clear text button, and didn't find one.
>> 
>> Karen P
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Re: Repeating tap tap see results

[Carol Pearson]

So you're suggesting that someone sees the pictures and then they're all gone! 
You don't have two delete them and you can't keep them! Is that right?



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:27 PM, "Barbara Wilson"  wrote:

> No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of identifying 
> the object. You don't need to do anything else.
> 
> I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few of 
> the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a class of 
> students thinking of buying iPhones.
> 
> Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles, told 
> me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of coffee, 
> identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
> 
> Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this app 
> is great.
> 
> I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
> 
> Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
> objects to start with?
> 
> Carol P
> 
> On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
>> It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it a 
>> try.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
>> 
>> What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
>> far as visually impaired people are concerned?
>> 
>> I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
>> like to know why it's getting popular!
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
>>> Eileen and Paul,
>>> 
>>> The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as an 
>>> automatic flash.
>>> 
>>> Here's a link to it: 
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Dmitriy
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hello,
>>> 
>>>No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
>>> 
>>>Thanks.
>>> 
>>>Paul
>>> 
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Eileen Misrahi
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
>>>To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>>>Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
>>>Is seems
>>>that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
>>>repeat? All
>>>suggestions are welcomed.
>>> 
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>>Eileen
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Braille touch

[Patti Johnson]

I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.
I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?
Patti
 
 
 
 

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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

[Karen Poulakos]

Found It.  I have a tendency to not use the flick method, but just run my 
finger over the screen to find what I want.  That usually works.When I 
flicked, it was there, and finally appeared when I ran my finger over the 
screen.  Don't know where it was hiding before that..


Thanks.
Karen
- Original Message - 
From: "Regina Alvarado" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch



Karen,
If you want to delete everything on the screen, flick to the left with two 
fingers to bring up the menu. Then flick through. There is a delete all in 
the menu.


Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "Karen Poulakos"  
wrote:



I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
didn't find one.


Karen P
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RE: Braille touch

[Jennie Facer]

You should be able to. Flick left, and there should be a start typing
button. If you can't find by flicking left, the flick right.

 

Jenn

 

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I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.

I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?

Patti

 

 

 

 

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Visual display on BrailleTouch

[BrailleTouch]

On the visual display of BrailleTouch when you are on the keyboard, it 
displays each character as you type it. It does not display the entire 
text you have written. The entire text is displayed on the menu screen 
visually, or at least as much of it as will fit in the case of long 
messages.


We are looking at adding editing capabilities to the braille keyboard in 
a future update. Grade 2 is still our top priority.


Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 11:55 AM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

No, i have not found the text on the screen either without going back into the 
menu, but what I would like to see is a way to fix the text before putting it 
in whatEveR you are writing for. Thanks for suggestion about finding the 
square. Helps!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "RobH!"  wrote:


It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type,  or I've
not found it there yet.  I flick into the menu to read it,  and tend to flip
the phone back to face me to do it;   though I can operate it quite well
without.  Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to
matter.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


Hi Bob,

You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned
about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:

I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with

the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
That could be an issue for me down the road.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner 

wrote:

I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
phone on a flat surface to input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:

I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before

release,

but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try

the

app before purchase is excellent.

I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I

think

this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that

you

would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you

don't.

On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the

cell,

but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille

as

the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I

think

there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part

I'd

find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
devices.

Congrats to the developers on the app.

Jonathan

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RE: Braille touch

[Patti Johnson]

Ah, I forgot about turning the phone.
Maybe this will work.
Patti
 
 
 
 

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Subject: RE: Braille touch



You should be able to. Flick left, and there should be a start typing
button. If you can't find by flicking left, the flick right.

 

Jenn

 

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I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.

I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?

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RE: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

[Richard Turner]

I think you will find in any case where sliding your finger doesn't get what
you want, flicking will.  The advantage to flicking is that it jumps from
item to item and skips the dead space.
Sometimes the buttons are physically very small and it is easy to slide
right by them.

Glad you found it.

Richard


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Found It.  I have a tendency to not use the flick method, but just run my 
finger over the screen to find what I want.  That usually works.When I 
flicked, it was there, and finally appeared when I ran my finger over the 
screen.  Don't know where it was hiding before that..

Thanks.
Karen
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From: "Regina Alvarado" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch


> Karen,
> If you want to delete everything on the screen, flick to the left with two

> fingers to bring up the menu. Then flick through. There is a delete all in

> the menu.
>
> Reggie and Brooks
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "Karen Poulakos"  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm really impressed with this app.
>>
>> Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
>> letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
>> didn't find one.
>>
>> Karen P
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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Karen,
Glad you found all the menu options. There are more menu choices than 
will fit on the screen. We use a Picker, which is a built in Apple menu 
type that is used in many other apps - such as setting the alarm in the 
built in iPhone clock app.


Flicking through the BrailleTouch menu works best in BrailleTouch.

Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 1:56 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:
Found It.  I have a tendency to not use the flick method, but just run 
my finger over the screen to find what I want.  That usually works.
When I flicked, it was there, and finally appeared when I ran my 
finger over the screen.  Don't know where it was hiding before that..


Thanks.
Karen
- Original Message - From: "Regina Alvarado" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch



Karen,
If you want to delete everything on the screen, flick to the left 
with two fingers to bring up the menu. Then flick through. There is a 
delete all in the menu.


Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "Karen Poulakos" 
 wrote:



I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
didn't find one.


Karen P
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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

[Chris H]

No. It just flips the dots around so that dot 1 is at the top left, dot 
3 is at the bottom left, etc.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 18:33, Regina Alvarado wrote:

Chris,
What does changing layout of the dots do? i don't want to change from the 
normal layout, just curious! Does it make the dots change as using a slate and 
stylus With 1, 2, 3 on the right?

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Chris H  wrote:


Hello Rebecca
1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent grip for the 
phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 or the equivalent in your 
country.
2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the right and 
the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots as being vertically 
arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on the screen. So dots 1, 2 and 3 
are on the left half of the screen while dots 4, 5 and 6 are on the right half. 
You may also want to try the flip dots 1-3, 4-6 setting, which can be found in 
BrailleTouch, accessed in the main settings app on the phone under the advanced 
heading.
Good luck.
Chris.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:

Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a few 
questions.
1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the hone 
button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully but 
once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the alignment of 
the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get this thougb as 
I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist me with a good 
description or even using skype or face time so that maybe visually you can 
tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.

Rebecca and Zeb
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Braille touch

[Patti Johnson]

I actually typed the whole alphabet.  I had to turn the phone again, but I
did it!
There is hope!
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BrailleTouch keyboard layout, and the Flip Dots setting

[BrailleTouch]

Hi everyone,

The default layout of the BrailleTouch keyboard is like this:
Dot 1 is left index finger, Dot2 is left middle finger, Dot 3 is left 
ring finger, Dot 4 is right index finger, Dot 5 is right middle finger, 
Dot 6 is right ring finger.


There is a Setting called "Flip Dots 1&3, 4&6". Some people have 
described this as like a Stainsby. With this setting, the BrailleTouch 
keyboard layout is like this:
Dot 1 is left ring finger, Dot2 is left middle finger, Dot 3 is left 
index finger, Dot 4 is right ring finger, Dot 5 is right middle finger, 
Dot 6 is right index finger.


We have found that most people prefer one or the other layout for the 
BrailleTouch keyboard. If the default layout seems strange to you, 
please try the Flip Dots setting.


I hope this helps.
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/2/2013 2:13 PM, Chris H wrote:
No. It just flips the dots around so that dot 1 is at the top left, 
dot 3 is at the bottom left, etc.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 18:33, Regina Alvarado wrote:

Chris,
What does changing layout of the dots do? i don't want to change from 
the normal layout, just curious! Does it make the dots change as 
using a slate and stylus With 1, 2, 3 on the right?


Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Chris H  wrote:


Hello Rebecca
1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent 
grip for the phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 
or the equivalent in your country.
2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the 
right and the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots 
as being vertically arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on 
the screen. So dots 1, 2 and 3 are on the left half of the screen 
while dots 4, 5 and 6 are on the right half. You may also want to 
try the flip dots 1-3, 4-6 setting, which can be found in 
BrailleTouch, accessed in the main settings app on the phone under 
the advanced heading.

Good luck.
Chris.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:
Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  
here are a few questions.

1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both 
with the hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can 
type a-h successfully but once I get to the letter i I begin having 
trouble as picturing the alignment of the dots has been difficult 
for me.  I'd like to be able to get this thougb as I do love my 
braille. If there's a way someone could assist me with a good 
description or even using skype or face time so that maybe visually 
you can tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.


Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards that Work with Apple TV

[Chris H]

That's what I thought as even though the keyboard is advertised for the 
iPad it actually works with any Apple products. To proove this I have my 
own Apple keyboard paired to my iPhone 4 and they work very well 
together. It's basically like using a Macbook Pro/Macbook/Macbook Air on 
the iPhone.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 13:47, Alan Paganelli wrote:

I'll take a WAG here and say the Apple keyboard?  Not trying to be a wise guy 
just pointing out the obvious.
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   Subject: Bluetooth Keyboards that Work with Apple TV


   Subject line says it all.  Any recommendations on wireless keyboards that 
will work with Apple TV?  I have the latest generation; my Apple Keyboard was 
designed for the iPad, so that won't work, thus the need for a keyboard.  
Thanks.

   Les

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bluetooth keyboards for I phone

[Ann Chiappetta]

Hi all;

I am shopping for a bluetTooth  KB for an I Phone 3g. If anyone has models,
brands, etc, please post. I am using a 3G and tried a mini KB but didn't
like it. I'm looking for a larger KB that is more versatile for more than
just typing text messages, etc. 

Thanks,

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Re: bluetooth keyboards for I phone

[Chris H]

Do you want a foldable one or not?


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 19:39, Ann Chiappetta wrote:

Hi all;

I am shopping for a bluetTooth  KB for an I Phone 3g. If anyone has models,
brands, etc, please post. I am using a 3G and tried a mini KB but didn't
like it. I'm looking for a larger KB that is more versatile for more than
just typing text messages, etc.

Thanks,

Annie





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Re: New AFB App Helps People with Vision Loss Easily Take Notes on iPhoneR, iPadR, and iPod touchR

[Cheryl Homiak]

I also like the AccessNote app. My one concern is that on one occasion the app 
refused to open and I finally had to reinstall it. I hope that was a fluke 
because I really would rather use AccessNote in church than Pages. For now i'm 
going to have the file on Sunday in both apps just in case disaster strikes! 
But if AccessNote doesn't have this issue again, I will think it worth the $20.

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> For me, being able to search reliably and read a long document continuously 
> without focus issues is worth it. I have wanted those features for a very 
> long time and hadn't been able to find them in any other app I tried. Also, I 
> love the fact that braille files look as they would on a notetaker; I have a 
> 40-cell display, and braille formatted for a 40-cell display is formatted 
> correctly when I read it in this app. saving my place in files is lovely as 
> well.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:59 AM, Sandratomkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>Feel I am missing something here: I have successfully used the onboard 
>> notes app for, I think, just about all of these functions. Sure, "Search" is 
>> a feature lacking, but is that the only one? Can you use basic formatting 
>> such as fonts etc with this app? As for returning to an note to append, I 
>> never had a problem with that, just going into edit mode and control down 
>> arrow, I think it is, upon hearing the bonk sound, I know where I am. Also, 
>> I suppose, there isn't a proper tree structure for folders etc and that 
>> would be useful. So, are these two the only advantages to this new app? I am 
>> not knocking it, but I am knocking the price unless ,of course, I have 
>> completely missed the salient points.
>> 
>>Thanks in advance, Sandy. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 1 Feb 2013, at 23:31, "Don & Cher Bosch"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> FYI-
>>> 
>>> From: AccessWorld [
>>> mailto:accesswo...@afb.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:13 PM
>>> Subject: AccessNote Notetaker App Now Available in the App Store
>>> 
>>> New American Foundation for the Blind App Helps People with Vision Loss 
>>> Easily Take Notes on iPhone®, iPad®, and iPod touch®
>>> 
>>> New York (February 1, 2013)—For the millions of Americans with vision loss 
>>> looking for a simple, convenient way to take notes at work, at school, or at
>>> home, the American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) today launched the 
>>> AccessNote™, a specialized notetaker for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.
>>> 
>>> “Apple products have earned high points from us for their out-of-the-box 
>>> accessibility for users who are blind or visually impaired,” said Carl R. 
>>> Augusto,
>>> AFB president and CEO. “We designed this app to complement the iPhone’s 
>>> other popular features, like web browsing and email, so that users who are 
>>> blind
>>> have all the tools they need in one, handy device.”
>>> 
>>> A traditional notetaker is a portable electronic device that enables users 
>>> who are blind or visually impaired to take notes, create documents, and 
>>> access
>>> applications. These devices, extremely valuable for people who are blind or 
>>> visually impaired, usually provide either speech or braille output (or 
>>> both).
>>> They retail for upwards of $2,000 and much more for those with a built-in 
>>> braille display; AFB’s AccessNote app is available for $19.99.
>>> 
>>> In addition to being a low-cost alternative to traditional notetakers, 
>>> AccessNote allows users to combine efficient notetaking with many other 
>>> features
>>> and functions of the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. This allows people who 
>>> are blind or visually impaired to use the same popular devices that their 
>>> sighted
>>> peers are using in classroom or business settings.
>>> 
>>> This is the first notetaking app developed and designed specifically for 
>>> users with vision loss. AFB evaluated many of the other available 
>>> notetaking apps,
>>> but found none to be very efficient or user-friendly to people who are 
>>> blind or visually impaired.
>>> 
>>> What sets the AccessNote apart includes:
>>> · Seamless Navigation. Customized keyboard commands make notetaking more 
>>> intuitive and productive than ever before, including quick access to 
>>> important
>>> features like Search All Notes, Search Within a Note, as well as several 
>>> navigation options.
>>> · Automatic Saving. With an automatic save on every few keystrokes, notes 
>>> will never be lost.
>>> · Cursor tracking. When navigating among multiple sets of notes, users can 
>>> always pick up right where they left off.
>>> · Unparalleled Simplicity. With a clutter-free interface, users can create, 
>>> read, find, and sync, making it easier to spend more time with actual 
>>> content
>>> and less time wi

Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used 
a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will still take 
some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but 
that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I 
personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement 
could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the 
phone resting in my lap.  

Tom

   
  - Original Message - 
  From: BrailleTouch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM
  Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement


  Hi Alan,
  It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a 
letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it 
works for you.

  Best,
  Caleb
  http://brailletouchapp.com/

  On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, 
if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots 
most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How 
about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers 
forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of 
the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.  Perhaps it 
could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
  - Original Message - 
  From: BrailleTouch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement


  Hi Rob and everyone,
  I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
  BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
  characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

  When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
  four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
  dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
  index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
  find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
  apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
  that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
  forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
  and reliably located your left hand.

  Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
  index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
  finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
  the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
  your right hand.

  I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
  BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
  to work. Please let me know.

  Thanks,
  Caleb
  http://brailletouchapp.com/

  On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
  > I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
  > accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. 
I'd
  > like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions 
so we
  > might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray 
us.
  > Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
  >
  > Thanks, RobH.
  > - Original Message -
  > From: "Regina Alvarado" 
  > To: 
  > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
  > Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
  >
  >
  > Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little 
finger
  > but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from 
me and
  > my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.  
What I
  > need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I 
put my
  > Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the
  > screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home 
button
  > on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further
  > into the screen?
  > Reggie
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf
  > Of Jennie Facer
  > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  > Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
  >
  > Hi,
  >
  > First of all, you don't hold you

Re: access note, is it worth it?

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

Can we use the search function here in Denmark in any way.

I have tried turning 8 dots braille and contracted braille off, it was not 
working, I have also tried to change the language to u.s. it did not work in 
u.s. either on my IPhone.

Is there anyway to get it to work.

Best regards Annie.


Best regards Annie.
On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Jesper Holten  wrote:

> Hi Bred.
> It is only txt format for now but they are working on other formats.
> This goes both for import and import.
> 
> Best regards, Jesper.
> 
> On 1/31/13, Brett  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A great informative post. Can you let me know which file types are
>> supported, as this isn't mentioned in the description.
>> 
>> Sent from Brett's iPhone
>> 
>> On 31/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> From my perspective, AccessNote is absolutely worth the money. I got it a
>>> few hours ago and am thrilled. Yes, it needs more features, such as find
>>> and replace, the ability to move by paragraph with a braille display, and
>>> the ability to handle more file types. But it does quite a few things that
>>> no other notetaking app I've tried does, and it does them well.
>>> 
>>> One is that when I do a search, I am taken right to the spot where the
>>> search item is. This sort of works in Pages if I'm using a braille
>>> display, but really doesn't work well for me when I'm not. I've wanted to
>>> be able to search my documents for years, and I love being able to do it
>>> consistently.
>>> 
>>> Another benefit is that unlike Pages, wherever I am is in edit mode. With
>>> Pages, I have been frustrated on many occasions by reading along and
>>> wanting to change something, double-tapping, and finding the insertion
>>> point is somewhere else entirely, so I have to find my place again. This
>>> isn't happening with accessNote, at least so far.
>>> 
>>> AccessNote saves my place in a file. If I'm reading with a braille
>>> display, I need to double-tap to be sure the correct location is saved,
>>> and I need to back out of the file before removing the app from the App
>>> switcher, but if I do those things, it works consistently. Moreover, when
>>> I open the app, the line I was reading appears on the display, rather than
>>> my needing to tap somewhere to get focus to the right place. This isn't a
>>> big deal, but it's a nice change from other apps.
>>> 
>>> Finally, it's a way to read braille files without a lot of processing, and
>>> the files appear using the formatting with which they were written. Since
>>> most braille files have a lot of extra dot 7s in them, I would still want
>>> to change the case of the whole file to lower case first to get rid of
>>> them. But if the files don't have them or if you don't care about
>>> eliminating them, all you have to do is add a txt extension, and they
>>> appear in beautifully formatted braille.
>>> 
>>> Is $20 a lot to spend for a notetaking app? Absolutely. But since this
>>> does so many things that no other app I've used does, I'm glad I bought
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> The other notetaking apps I've used are Pages, which has the problems I
>>> mentioned, Notes, which is great for short things but would be a pain for
>>> longer ones because it has no search ability, and very briefly Elements,
>>> which has no search facility, Notesy, which wouldn't open the text files I
>>> wanted to work with because I guess they were too long, and Write 2, which
>>> wouldn't speak any of my search results. There certainly might be apps
>>> I've missed that have AccessNote's features, but I've tried quite a few
>>> and haven't found those features anywhere else.
>>> 
>>> I hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I'm a totally blind iphone user. I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
 iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display. So what I was wondering, is
 access note worth the $20?
 Courtney
 
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RE: bluetooth keyboards for I phone

[Joe]

Apple's Bluetooth keyboard is the best, second to none.--Joe

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: bluetooth keyboards for I phone

 

Hi all;

I am shopping for a bluetTooth  KB for an I Phone 3g. If anyone has models,
brands, etc, please post. I am using a 3G and tried a mini KB but didn't
like it. I'm looking for a larger KB that is more versatile for more than
just typing text messages, etc. 

Thanks,

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Re: Braille touch

[Tom Lange]

Hi Patti,
I'm using BrailleTouch on my iPhone 4; it works fine.

Tom

  - Original Message - 
  From: Patti Johnson 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:55 AM
  Subject: Braille touch


  I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.
  I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?
  Patti





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Streaming Audio Stops When I Open BrailleTouch

[Bobby Druesedow]

Hello:  
i do have to say I love this app. One problem I have had is that I have had is 
that when I am streaming audio and I open BrailleTouch, the audio stops. I was 
wondering if anyone else has had this problem? I am using an iPhone 5. Thanks. 


Typed with BrailleTouch


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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Cheryl Homiak]

Okay, while I am typing fine when holding the phone, I don't think I am 
understanding the V position for typing on a table. How do you do this without 
having to turn both hands awkwardly in order to put them on the phone in the 
right position? I know I just must not be conceptualizing it correctly.

Thanks.

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On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:

> Hi,
> Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
> lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just 
> used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will still 
> take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger 
> placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to 
> hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, 
> so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if 
> I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap.  
>  
> Tom
>  
>   
> - Original Message -
> From: BrailleTouch
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
> 
> Hi Alan,
> It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
> BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of 
> a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it 
> works for you.
> 
> Best,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>> Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, 
>> if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots 
>> most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How 
>> about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the 
>> fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom 
>> center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.  
>> Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: BrailleTouch
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>> 
>> Hi Rob and everyone,
>> I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
>> BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
>> characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.
>> 
>> When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
>> four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
>> dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
>> index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
>> find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
>> apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
>> that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
>> forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
>> and reliably located your left hand.
>> 
>> Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
>> index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
>> finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
>> the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
>> your right hand.
>> 
>> I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
>> BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
>> to work. Please let me know.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caleb
>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>> 
>> On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
>> > I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
>> > accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
>> > like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we
>> > might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
>> > Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
>> >
>> > Thanks, RobH.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Regina Alvarado" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little 
>> > finger
>> > but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me 
>> > and
>> > my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.  What 
>> > I
>> > need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my
>> > Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the
>> > screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home button
>> > on the right and just below the ear slit on the 

Re: bluetooth keyboards for I phone

[Jennie Facer]

Annie,

I would recommend the Verbatim keyboard. You can find it on amazon. I don't 
think you live in the U.S., so I won't tell you how to get it locally.

Jenn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Ann Chiappetta  wrote:

> Hi all;
> I am shopping for a bluetTooth  KB for an I Phone 3g. If anyone has models, 
> brands, etc, please post. I am using a 3G and tried a mini KB but didn’t like 
> it. I’m looking for a larger KB that is more versatile for more than just 
> typing text messages, etc.
> Thanks,
> Annie
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BrailleTouch Key Formation

[Holly]

BlankHi,

I do think, if the keys are given a new layout, that it should be a 
configurable option. I like the current one, and I gather that I'm not the only 
one. However, different people have different comfort levels. If the coding 
isn't too difficult, I'd like to see a couple of layouts to choose from. I'd 
hate to see the current layout disappear forever. Just my two cents.

Holly and Ajax

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RE: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Yolanda]

I am still having problems-obviously with placement.  When I press my two
index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon.  Left index and
middle is a semicolon.  What am I doing inaccurately?

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

 

Hi Alan,
It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with
BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape
of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if
it works for you.

Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is,
if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots
most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How
about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the
fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom
center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.
Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.

- Original Message - 

From: BrailleTouch   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

 

Hi Rob and everyone,
I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
and reliably located your left hand.

Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
your right hand.

I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
to work. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
> I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
> accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
> like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so
we
> might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
> Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
>
> Thanks, RobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Regina Alvarado" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>
>
> Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little
finger
> but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me
and
> my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.  What
I
> need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put
my
> Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the
> screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home button
> on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further
> into the screen?
> Reggie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jennie Facer
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>
> Hi,
>
> First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if
> you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera.  now,
put
> your palms on each end of the phone.  now rest your fingers vertically on
> the screen.  dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your
> right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of
> the screen.
>
> Write me off list if I can be of more helpp.
>
> Jenn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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OCR for PDFs

[Holly]

BlankHi,

Does anyone know of an app that will allow me to import a PDF that is a scanned 
immage and perform OCR on it? Some of my school articles are like this, and I'd 
like a way to access them on my phone. Perhaps I'll send the Devs of Text 
Detective a request to add this feature. Thanks.

Holly and Ajax

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Re: access note, is it worth it?

[Jesper Holten]

Hi Annie.
It is working fine here' I use Australian voice thugh but I do not think it 
makes a difference'

Best Regards
Jesper

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 02/02/2013 kl. 21.01 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen :

> Hi.
> 
> Can we use the search function here in Denmark in any way.
> 
> I have tried turning 8 dots braille and contracted braille off, it was not 
> working, I have also tried to change the language to u.s. it did not work in 
> u.s. either on my IPhone.
> 
> Is there anyway to get it to work.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> 
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Jesper Holten  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bred.
>> It is only txt format for now but they are working on other formats.
>> This goes both for import and import.
>> 
>> Best regards, Jesper.
>> 
>> On 1/31/13, Brett  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A great informative post. Can you let me know which file types are
>>> supported, as this isn't mentioned in the description.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Brett's iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 31/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 From my perspective, AccessNote is absolutely worth the money. I got it a
 few hours ago and am thrilled. Yes, it needs more features, such as find
 and replace, the ability to move by paragraph with a braille display, and
 the ability to handle more file types. But it does quite a few things that
 no other notetaking app I've tried does, and it does them well.
 
 One is that when I do a search, I am taken right to the spot where the
 search item is. This sort of works in Pages if I'm using a braille
 display, but really doesn't work well for me when I'm not. I've wanted to
 be able to search my documents for years, and I love being able to do it
 consistently.
 
 Another benefit is that unlike Pages, wherever I am is in edit mode. With
 Pages, I have been frustrated on many occasions by reading along and
 wanting to change something, double-tapping, and finding the insertion
 point is somewhere else entirely, so I have to find my place again. This
 isn't happening with accessNote, at least so far.
 
 AccessNote saves my place in a file. If I'm reading with a braille
 display, I need to double-tap to be sure the correct location is saved,
 and I need to back out of the file before removing the app from the App
 switcher, but if I do those things, it works consistently. Moreover, when
 I open the app, the line I was reading appears on the display, rather than
 my needing to tap somewhere to get focus to the right place. This isn't a
 big deal, but it's a nice change from other apps.
 
 Finally, it's a way to read braille files without a lot of processing, and
 the files appear using the formatting with which they were written. Since
 most braille files have a lot of extra dot 7s in them, I would still want
 to change the case of the whole file to lower case first to get rid of
 them. But if the files don't have them or if you don't care about
 eliminating them, all you have to do is add a txt extension, and they
 appear in beautifully formatted braille.
 
 Is $20 a lot to spend for a notetaking app? Absolutely. But since this
 does so many things that no other app I've used does, I'm glad I bought
 it.
 
 The other notetaking apps I've used are Pages, which has the problems I
 mentioned, Notes, which is great for short things but would be a pain for
 longer ones because it has no search ability, and very briefly Elements,
 which has no search facility, Notesy, which wouldn't open the text files I
 wanted to work with because I guess they were too long, and Write 2, which
 wouldn't speak any of my search results. There certainly might be apps
 I've missed that have AccessNote's features, but I've tried quite a few
 and haven't found those features anywhere else.
 
 I hope that helps.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I'm a totally blind iphone user. I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
> iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display. So what I was wondering, is
> access note worth the $20?
> Courtney
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
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Re: access note, is it worth it?

[Ryan Mann]

When I hit Option+r to rename a note, VoiceOver says, "Select All."  Why is 
this?


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Jesper Holten  wrote:

> Hi Annie.
> It is working fine here' I use Australian voice thugh but I do not think it 
> makes a difference'
> 
> Best Regards
> Jesper
> 
> Sendt fra min iPhone
> 
> Den 02/02/2013 kl. 21.01 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
> :
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Can we use the search function here in Denmark in any way.
>> 
>> I have tried turning 8 dots braille and contracted braille off, it was not 
>> working, I have also tried to change the language to u.s. it did not work in 
>> u.s. either on my IPhone.
>> 
>> Is there anyway to get it to work.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Jesper Holten  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bred.
>>> It is only txt format for now but they are working on other formats.
>>> This goes both for import and import.
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Jesper.
>>> 
>>> On 1/31/13, Brett  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 A great informative post. Can you let me know which file types are
 supported, as this isn't mentioned in the description.
 
 Sent from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 31/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> From my perspective, AccessNote is absolutely worth the money. I got it a
> few hours ago and am thrilled. Yes, it needs more features, such as find
> and replace, the ability to move by paragraph with a braille display, and
> the ability to handle more file types. But it does quite a few things that
> no other notetaking app I've tried does, and it does them well.
> 
> One is that when I do a search, I am taken right to the spot where the
> search item is. This sort of works in Pages if I'm using a braille
> display, but really doesn't work well for me when I'm not. I've wanted to
> be able to search my documents for years, and I love being able to do it
> consistently.
> 
> Another benefit is that unlike Pages, wherever I am is in edit mode. With
> Pages, I have been frustrated on many occasions by reading along and
> wanting to change something, double-tapping, and finding the insertion
> point is somewhere else entirely, so I have to find my place again. This
> isn't happening with accessNote, at least so far.
> 
> AccessNote saves my place in a file. If I'm reading with a braille
> display, I need to double-tap to be sure the correct location is saved,
> and I need to back out of the file before removing the app from the App
> switcher, but if I do those things, it works consistently. Moreover, when
> I open the app, the line I was reading appears on the display, rather than
> my needing to tap somewhere to get focus to the right place. This isn't a
> big deal, but it's a nice change from other apps.
> 
> Finally, it's a way to read braille files without a lot of processing, and
> the files appear using the formatting with which they were written. Since
> most braille files have a lot of extra dot 7s in them, I would still want
> to change the case of the whole file to lower case first to get rid of
> them. But if the files don't have them or if you don't care about
> eliminating them, all you have to do is add a txt extension, and they
> appear in beautifully formatted braille.
> 
> Is $20 a lot to spend for a notetaking app? Absolutely. But since this
> does so many things that no other app I've used does, I'm glad I bought
> it.
> 
> The other notetaking apps I've used are Pages, which has the problems I
> mentioned, Notes, which is great for short things but would be a pain for
> longer ones because it has no search ability, and very briefly Elements,
> which has no search facility, Notesy, which wouldn't open the text files I
> wanted to work with because I guess they were too long, and Write 2, which
> wouldn't speak any of my search results. There certainly might be apps
> I've missed that have AccessNote's features, but I've tried quite a few
> and haven't found those features anywhere else.
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm a totally blind iphone user. I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
>> iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display. So what I was wondering, is
>> access note worth the $20?
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad Mini
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

[Robert Fenton]

Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, hence 
my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after a 
period. 

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some 
> time ago. The convention now is not to do it.
> 
> Jonathan
> On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:
> 
>> The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable 
>> as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the 
>> accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to 
>> insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among 
>> those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting 
>> rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions 
>> that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your 
>> braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille 
>> teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? 
>> 
>> Just some more thoughts to consider. 
>> 
>> Bob Fenton
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
>>> documents are written with just one space after the period.
>>> 
>>> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like 
>>> with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual 
>>> author.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everybody:
 
 there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we 
 need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in 
 braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion 
 algorythm as well? Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
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Re: Facebook App Latest Update

[Joney]

Mine exhits as well though it did stay longer last time.

Joney

On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Tony"  wrote:

> Shame on them, they’re going backwards.
>  
> For me at least, flicking through news stories causes the app to exit.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dean Wilcox
> Sent: 31 January 2013 14:42
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Facebook App Latest Update
>  
> The old one which annoys me is when you tap on a post which a video or link 
> you can't like, view or add comments because you are taken straight to the 
> item posted.
>  
>  
>  
> On 30 Jan 2013, at 16:00, matthew Dyer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
>  
> I still have a problem with status updates being skipped with voice over.  If 
> I use the site directly on my computer than I I can see all the updates.  Any 
> one here have the same problem?  Refreshing does nothing for me.
>  
> Matthew
>  
>  
> On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:45 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep...this latest update sucks! I could live with the status update 
> inconvenience if I had to, but what I am really peeved about is that I can no 
> longer post on someone's wall using the ap...it takes me into the camera and 
> the compose button is dimmed! SMH! 
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Shane clark
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Facebook App Latest Update
>  
> Hi,
> It does the same thing with the onscreen keyboard too. What I do is type a 
> few words, then slide my finger slowly from the keyboard, till I hear Vo say 
> what I wrote. Doing it that way will also get Vo to read people's name for 
> who you're tagging too. You could also open notification center, and post to 
> Fb that way as well. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, "CD"  wrote:
> 
> I updated the regular facebook app last night and now when I type a status my 
> Bluetooth keyboard doesn’t speak as I type with VO.  If any of you have 
> experienced this is there a work around?  Thanks.
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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Yolanda,

Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index 
fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, 
which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the 
screen a little.


When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a 
semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try 
to move your left hand up the screen a little.


I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left 
index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, 
right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving 
your hand position around on each of these characters in the four 
corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you 
to find where the dots are on the touchscreen.


I hope this helps!
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote:


I am still having problems---obviously with placement.  When I press 
my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon.  Left 
index and middle is a semicolon.  What am I doing inaccurately?


"If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be 
afraid to pick


one of those pieces up and begin again." --Flavia Weedn

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *BrailleTouch

*Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

Hi Alan,
It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type 
with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in 
the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please 
try it and see if it works for you.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My
experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my
fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile,
holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a
table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a
letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of
the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.
Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way,
hand-held.

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*From:*BrailleTouch 

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Sent:*Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM

*Subject:*Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

Hi Rob and everyone,
I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger
placement with
BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain
characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to
find the
four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not
flipped the
dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with
your left
index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone
until you
find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. 
Then type an

apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger
toward
that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go
back and
forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have
comfortably
and reliably located your left hand.

Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your
right
index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right
ring
finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the
at-sign and
the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good
position for
your right hand.

I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to
BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain
characters
to work. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
> I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack
so absolute
> accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of
the area. I'd
> like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of
dimensions so we
> might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that
could betray us.
> Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that
button?
>
> Thanks, RobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Regina Alvarado" mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>>
> To: mailto:viphone@googleg

Re: BrailleTouch Key Formation

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Holly and Ajax,

We will definitely keep the current keyboard layout available in 
BrailleTouch, even if we add other options. I am listening to everyone's 
comments about an alternate straight line layout as a settings option.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 3:28 PM, Holly wrote:

Blank
Hi,
I do think, if the keys are given a new layout, that it should be a 
configurable option. I like the current one, and I gather that I'm not 
the only one. However, different people have different comfort levels. 
If the coding isn't too difficult, I'd like to see a couple of layouts 
to choose from. I'd hate to see the current layout disappear forever. 
Just my two cents.

Holly and Ajax

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Re: access note, is it worth it?

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Jesper.

It does not seems to work here at all.

If i press f + dot 8 it writes f, also if in uncontracted mode with 8 dots 
braille turned off.

What is your default language?

Best regards Annie.
On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Jesper Holten  wrote:

> Hi Annie.
> It is working fine here' I use Australian voice thugh but I do not think it 
> makes a difference'
> 
> Best Regards
> Jesper
> 
> Sendt fra min iPhone
> 
> Den 02/02/2013 kl. 21.01 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
> :
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Can we use the search function here in Denmark in any way.
>> 
>> I have tried turning 8 dots braille and contracted braille off, it was not 
>> working, I have also tried to change the language to u.s. it did not work in 
>> u.s. either on my IPhone.
>> 
>> Is there anyway to get it to work.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Jesper Holten  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bred.
>>> It is only txt format for now but they are working on other formats.
>>> This goes both for import and import.
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Jesper.
>>> 
>>> On 1/31/13, Brett  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 A great informative post. Can you let me know which file types are
 supported, as this isn't mentioned in the description.
 
 Sent from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 31/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> From my perspective, AccessNote is absolutely worth the money. I got it a
> few hours ago and am thrilled. Yes, it needs more features, such as find
> and replace, the ability to move by paragraph with a braille display, and
> the ability to handle more file types. But it does quite a few things that
> no other notetaking app I've tried does, and it does them well.
> 
> One is that when I do a search, I am taken right to the spot where the
> search item is. This sort of works in Pages if I'm using a braille
> display, but really doesn't work well for me when I'm not. I've wanted to
> be able to search my documents for years, and I love being able to do it
> consistently.
> 
> Another benefit is that unlike Pages, wherever I am is in edit mode. With
> Pages, I have been frustrated on many occasions by reading along and
> wanting to change something, double-tapping, and finding the insertion
> point is somewhere else entirely, so I have to find my place again. This
> isn't happening with accessNote, at least so far.
> 
> AccessNote saves my place in a file. If I'm reading with a braille
> display, I need to double-tap to be sure the correct location is saved,
> and I need to back out of the file before removing the app from the App
> switcher, but if I do those things, it works consistently. Moreover, when
> I open the app, the line I was reading appears on the display, rather than
> my needing to tap somewhere to get focus to the right place. This isn't a
> big deal, but it's a nice change from other apps.
> 
> Finally, it's a way to read braille files without a lot of processing, and
> the files appear using the formatting with which they were written. Since
> most braille files have a lot of extra dot 7s in them, I would still want
> to change the case of the whole file to lower case first to get rid of
> them. But if the files don't have them or if you don't care about
> eliminating them, all you have to do is add a txt extension, and they
> appear in beautifully formatted braille.
> 
> Is $20 a lot to spend for a notetaking app? Absolutely. But since this
> does so many things that no other app I've used does, I'm glad I bought
> it.
> 
> The other notetaking apps I've used are Pages, which has the problems I
> mentioned, Notes, which is great for short things but would be a pain for
> longer ones because it has no search ability, and very briefly Elements,
> which has no search facility, Notesy, which wouldn't open the text files I
> wanted to work with because I guess they were too long, and Write 2, which
> wouldn't speak any of my search results. There certainly might be apps
> I've missed that have AccessNote's features, but I've tried quite a few
> and haven't found those features anywhere else.
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm a totally blind iphone user. I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
>> iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display. So what I was wondering, is
>> access note worth the $20?
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad Mini
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Re: access note, is it worth it?

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

hi.

I am wondering about 1 thing. Why is the braille display not following when you 
go through pages. I press the command for new page, the braille display is 
still on the same page. That is a problem in some apps, but it works in a great 
number of apps, so i wonder what has happened.

I am rather frustrated about access notes at the moment.
Best regards Annie.
On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:

> When I hit Option+r to rename a note, VoiceOver says, "Select All."  Why is 
> this?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Jesper Holten  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Annie.
>> It is working fine here' I use Australian voice thugh but I do not think it 
>> makes a difference'
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jesper
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPhone
>> 
>> Den 02/02/2013 kl. 21.01 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
>> :
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Can we use the search function here in Denmark in any way.
>>> 
>>> I have tried turning 8 dots braille and contracted braille off, it was not 
>>> working, I have also tried to change the language to u.s. it did not work 
>>> in u.s. either on my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> Is there anyway to get it to work.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Jesper Holten  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bred.
 It is only txt format for now but they are working on other formats.
 This goes both for import and import.
 
 Best regards, Jesper.
 
 On 1/31/13, Brett  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A great informative post. Can you let me know which file types are
> supported, as this isn't mentioned in the description.
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
> On 31/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> From my perspective, AccessNote is absolutely worth the money. I got it a
>> few hours ago and am thrilled. Yes, it needs more features, such as find
>> and replace, the ability to move by paragraph with a braille display, and
>> the ability to handle more file types. But it does quite a few things 
>> that
>> no other notetaking app I've tried does, and it does them well.
>> 
>> One is that when I do a search, I am taken right to the spot where the
>> search item is. This sort of works in Pages if I'm using a braille
>> display, but really doesn't work well for me when I'm not. I've wanted to
>> be able to search my documents for years, and I love being able to do it
>> consistently.
>> 
>> Another benefit is that unlike Pages, wherever I am is in edit mode. With
>> Pages, I have been frustrated on many occasions by reading along and
>> wanting to change something, double-tapping, and finding the insertion
>> point is somewhere else entirely, so I have to find my place again. This
>> isn't happening with accessNote, at least so far.
>> 
>> AccessNote saves my place in a file. If I'm reading with a braille
>> display, I need to double-tap to be sure the correct location is saved,
>> and I need to back out of the file before removing the app from the App
>> switcher, but if I do those things, it works consistently. Moreover, when
>> I open the app, the line I was reading appears on the display, rather 
>> than
>> my needing to tap somewhere to get focus to the right place. This isn't a
>> big deal, but it's a nice change from other apps.
>> 
>> Finally, it's a way to read braille files without a lot of processing, 
>> and
>> the files appear using the formatting with which they were written. Since
>> most braille files have a lot of extra dot 7s in them, I would still want
>> to change the case of the whole file to lower case first to get rid of
>> them. But if the files don't have them or if you don't care about
>> eliminating them, all you have to do is add a txt extension, and they
>> appear in beautifully formatted braille.
>> 
>> Is $20 a lot to spend for a notetaking app? Absolutely. But since this
>> does so many things that no other app I've used does, I'm glad I bought
>> it.
>> 
>> The other notetaking apps I've used are Pages, which has the problems I
>> mentioned, Notes, which is great for short things but would be a pain for
>> longer ones because it has no search ability, and very briefly Elements,
>> which has no search facility, Notesy, which wouldn't open the text files 
>> I
>> wanted to work with because I guess they were too long, and Write 2, 
>> which
>> wouldn't speak any of my search results. There certainly might be apps
>> I've missed that have AccessNote's features, but I've tried quite a few
>> and haven't found those features anywhere else.
>> 
>> I hope that helps.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm a totally blind iphone user. I use a blue

Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

[Teresa Cochran]

I'd imagine flipping the dots would be good if you were to put the device on a 
flat surface. to type.

Teresa


"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> No. It just flips the dots around so that dot 1 is at the top left, dot 3 is 
> at the bottom left, etc.
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> 
> On 02/02/2013 18:33, Regina Alvarado wrote:
>> Chris,
>> What does changing layout of the dots do? i don't want to change from the 
>> normal layout, just curious! Does it make the dots change as using a slate 
>> and stylus With 1, 2, 3 on the right?
>> 
>> Reggie and Brooks
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Chris H  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Rebecca
>>> 1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent grip for 
>>> the phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 or the equivalent 
>>> in your country.
>>> 2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the right 
>>> and the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots as being 
>>> vertically arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on the screen. So 
>>> dots 1, 2 and 3 are on the left half of the screen while dots 4, 5 and 6 
>>> are on the right half. You may also want to try the flip dots 1-3, 4-6 
>>> setting, which can be found in BrailleTouch, accessed in the main settings 
>>> app on the phone under the advanced heading.
>>> Good luck.
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>> 
>>> On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:
 Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a 
 few questions.
 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the 
 hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h 
 successfully but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as 
 picturing the alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like 
 to be able to get this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way 
 someone could assist me with a good description or even using skype or 
 face time so that maybe visually you can tell what I'm doing that would be 
 ok too.
 
 Rebecca and Zeb
 email: rilni...@gmail.com
 sent from my IPhone
 
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this 
isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to 
substantiate what I'm saying.
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526
On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:

> Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, 
> hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after 
> a period. 
> 
> Bob Fenton
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some 
>> time ago. The convention now is not to do it.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>>> The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and 
>>> usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still 
>>> the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to 
>>> insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among 
>>> those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting 
>>> rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions 
>>> that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your 
>>> braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille 
>>> teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? 
>>> 
>>> Just some more thoughts to consider. 
>>> 
>>> Bob Fenton
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
 Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
 documents are written with just one space after the period.
 
 My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like 
 with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the 
 individual author.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton  wrote:
 
> Hello everybody:
> 
> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we 
> need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in 
> braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion 
> algorythm as well? Thank you.
> 
> 
> Typed with BrailleTouch
> 
> 
> Bob Fenton
> 
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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

[David Chittenden]

Probably not. If you flip the dots and lay the iPhone flat, you would need to 
angle your hands so your fingers are pointing out to create a pyramid shape. 

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On 03/02/2013, at 10:44, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I'd imagine flipping the dots would be good if you were to put the device on 
> a flat surface. to type.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> No. It just flips the dots around so that dot 1 is at the top left, dot 3 is 
>> at the bottom left, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> Christopher Hallsworth
>> 
>> On 02/02/2013 18:33, Regina Alvarado wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>> What does changing layout of the dots do? i don't want to change from the 
>>> normal layout, just curious! Does it make the dots change as using a slate 
>>> and stylus With 1, 2, 3 on the right?
>>> 
>>> Reggie and Brooks
>>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Chris H  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Rebecca
 1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent grip for 
 the phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 or the 
 equivalent in your country.
 2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the right 
 and the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots as being 
 vertically arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on the screen. So 
 dots 1, 2 and 3 are on the left half of the screen while dots 4, 5 and 6 
 are on the right half. You may also want to try the flip dots 1-3, 4-6 
 setting, which can be found in BrailleTouch, accessed in the main settings 
 app on the phone under the advanced heading.
 Good luck.
 Chris.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:
> Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are 
> a few questions.
> 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
> 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the 
> hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h 
> successfully but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as 
> picturing the alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like 
> to be able to get this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way 
> someone could assist me with a good description or even using skype or 
> face time so that maybe visually you can tell what I'm doing that would 
> be ok too.
> 
> Rebecca and Zeb
> email: rilni...@gmail.com
> sent from my IPhone
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Re: bluetooth keyboards for I phone

[Harmony Neil]

I have a logitech keyboard which works just fine.

On 02/02/2013, at 20:02, "Joe"  wrote:

> Apple’s Bluetooth keyboard is the best, second to none.--Joe
>  
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>  
> Hi all;
> I am shopping for a bluetTooth  KB for an I Phone 3g. If anyone has models, 
> brands, etc, please post. I am using a 3G and tried a mini KB but didn’t like 
> it. I’m looking for a larger KB that is more versatile for more than just 
> typing text messages, etc.
> Thanks,
> Annie
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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

[Kimberly]

I can't seem to get the knack of this gesture at all. If I can't efficiently 
delete unwanted notes that is going to limit the usefulness of this app for me. 
 

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:59 AM, "RobH!"  wrote:

> Double tap and hold, then flick right, it should ask you to confirm delete.
> 
> The good old edit feature in other apps is so useful!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:44 AM
> Subject: Access Note -- How to delete a note
> 
> 
> I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
> can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
> first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
> edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
> seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kimber
> 
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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

[Kimberly]

I guess there is something wrong with how I'm swiping because I never see the 
delete button. This is really annoying. 

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:23 AM, "Jon Pierson"  wrote:

> Hi,
> According to the help a double tap and hold followed by a swipe right to
> bring up the delete button will do the trick.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kimberly
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note
> 
> Thanks for the info. That seems like a huge drawback to me. Deleting is such
> a basic function that its amazing it can't be done from within the app
> itself.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
>> On the podcast that was done on AppleVis, they said you have to delete it
> through dropbox.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:44 AM, Kimber Gardner 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I 
>>> can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I 
>>> first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's 
>>> no edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures 
>>> don't seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kimber
>>> 
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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

[Kimberly]

If I can figure out how to give feedback on access note I will suggest 
implementing the action roter in a future update because the double tap and 
swipe is totally not working for me. 

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Rob and Kimberley,
> 
> I haven't purchased Access Note yet although I probably will. In any case, I
> am surprised an app that is made for Voiceover user doesn't utilize the
> latest and greatest in Voiceover features and by that I mean why don't they
> use the Action Rotor Apple has implemented in apps like Mail, Messages, the
> Favourites List, the Music app etc. this would allow you to just flick down
> or up if the rotor is set to Actions and toggle between Delete and Standard.
> 
> Maybe the double tap and swipe works extremely well in the Access Note app,
> I never thought it was a super reliable gesture before in apps like music,
> but maybe it is more so in Access Note, it was just a thought.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of RobH!
> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note
> 
> Double tap and hold, then flick right, it should ask you to confirm delete.
> 
> The good old edit feature in other apps is so useful!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:44 AM
> Subject: Access Note -- How to delete a note
> 
> 
> I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
> can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
> first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
> edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
> seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kimber
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RE: keyboard commands with voice over.

[Ramy Moustafa]

All I need is how to unlock the  phone by the keyboard?

 

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Of fred olver
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: keyboard commands with voice over.

 

 

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From: Larry   Smith 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:31 AM

Subject: keyboard commands with voice over.

 

When I read through the list of keyboard commands I was pretty confused,
they all seemed to run together. So, I went through and attempted to put
them in a format which I could read and understand. My next step is to put
them in to Braille. If you would like an MSWord 2007 or 2003 copy of the
list let me know and I'll email it to you. Just send a message to me, Fred
Olver at:  goodfo...@charter.net and I'll make the list available to you. 

 VoiceOver Keyboard Commands VO = Control-Option

 Read all, starting from the current position: VO-A 

Read from the top: VO-B 

Move to the status bar: VO-M

 Press the Home button: VO-H 

Select the next or previous item: VO- Right Arrow or VO-Left Arrow 

Tap an item: VO-Space bar 

Double-tap with two fingers: VO-"-" 

Choose the next or previous rotor item: VO-Up Arrow or VO-Down Arrow 

Choose the next or previous speech rotor item: VO-Command-Left Arrow or VO-
Command-Right Arrow 

Adjust speech rotor item: VO-Command- Up Arrow or VO-Command-Down Arrow 

Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO-S 

Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO- Shift-S 

Turn on VoiceOver help:  VO-K 

Return to the previous screen, or turn off VoiceOver help: Escape 

Quick Nav 

Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys. 

Quick Nav is off by default. 

Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow-Right Arrow 

Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow 

Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor setting: Up Arrow or
Down Arrow 

Select the first or last item: Control-Up Arrow or Control-Down Arrow

 "Tap" an item: Up Arrow-Down Arrow 

Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option-Up Arrow, Option-Down Arrow,
Option-Left Arrow, or Option-Right Arrow 

Change the rotor: Up Arrow-Left Arrow or Up Arrow-Right Arrow

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com  For some of us it's a way of life and
for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver

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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

[Teresa Cochran]

David, of course that's right. I posted before I thought. :)

Teresa


Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Probably not. If you flip the dots and lay the iPhone flat, you would need to 
> angle your hands so your fingers are pointing out to create a pyramid shape. 
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 03/02/2013, at 10:44, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> I'd imagine flipping the dots would be good if you were to put the device on 
>> a flat surface. to type.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> 
>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Chris H  wrote:
>> 
>>> No. It just flips the dots around so that dot 1 is at the top left, dot 3 
>>> is at the bottom left, etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>> 
>>> On 02/02/2013 18:33, Regina Alvarado wrote:
 Chris,
 What does changing layout of the dots do? i don't want to change from the 
 normal layout, just curious! Does it make the dots change as using a slate 
 and stylus With 1, 2, 3 on the right?
 
 Reggie and Brooks
 
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Chris H  wrote:
 
> Hello Rebecca
> 1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent grip for 
> the phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 or the 
> equivalent in your country.
> 2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the 
> right and the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots as 
> being vertically arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on the 
> screen. So dots 1, 2 and 3 are on the left half of the screen while dots 
> 4, 5 and 6 are on the right half. You may also want to try the flip dots 
> 1-3, 4-6 setting, which can be found in BrailleTouch, accessed in the 
> main settings app on the phone under the advanced heading.
> Good luck.
> Chris.
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> 
> On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:
>> Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are 
>> a few questions.
>> 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
>> 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with 
>> the hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h 
>> successfully but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as 
>> picturing the alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like 
>> to be able to get this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way 
>> someone could assist me with a good description or even using skype or 
>> face time so that maybe visually you can tell what I'm doing that would 
>> be ok too.
>> 
>> Rebecca and Zeb
>> email: rilni...@gmail.com
>> sent from my IPhone
>> 
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Passwords

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:
I have many passwords, and I need to find a program to store them,  is there
an accessible program for doing this? Just put my user and password for each
thing?

Cheers:
Ramy Moustafa
If music be the food of love... play on.
Mobile:
0020102221750
Personal email:
ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
Msn and aim messengers:
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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Regina Alvarado]

Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so 
much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest 
with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. 
Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop 
the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I 
wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:

> Hi,
> Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
> lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just 
> used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will still 
> take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger 
> placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to 
> hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, 
> so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if 
> I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap.  
>  
> Tom
>  
>   
> - Original Message -
> From: BrailleTouch
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49AM
> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
> 
> Hi Alan,
> It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
> BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of 
> a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it 
> works for you.
> 
> Best,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>> Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, 
>> if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots 
>> most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How 
>> about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the 
>> fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom 
>> center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.  
>> Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: BrailleTouch
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>> 
>> Hi Rob and everyone,
>> I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
>> BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
>> characters. Please let me know ifthis is helpful.
>> 
>> When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
>> four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
>> dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
>> index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
>> find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
>> apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
>> that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
>> forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
>> and reliably located your left hand.
>> 
>> Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
>> index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
>> finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-signand 
>> the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position
>> for 
>> your right hand.
>> 
>> I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
>> BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
>> to work. Please let me know.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caleb
>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>> 
>> On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
>> > I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so 
>> > absolute
>> > accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
>> > like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we
>> > might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
>> > Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
>> >
>> > Thanks, RobH.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Regina Alvarado" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am nottouching the all caps with my 
>> > little finger
>> > but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me 
>> > and
>> > my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.  What 
>> > I
>> > need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my
>> > Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the
>> > screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home but

Re: keyboard commands with voice over.

[David Chittenden]

It is necessary to press either power or home buttons on the iPhone to wake it. 
This is good security. Otherwise, someone could connect a bluetooth device to 
your iDevice and access it whilst it is in your pocket or bag. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 11:28, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

> All I need is how to unlock the  phone by the keyboard?
>  
> Cheers: 
> Ramy Moustafa 
> If music be the food of love... play on. 
> Mobile: 
> 0020102221750 
> Personal email: 
> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com 
> Msn and aim messengers: 
> flutelo...@link.net 
> Studio email: 
> harmonystudio2...@gmail.com 
> facebook profile: 
> http://www.facebook.com/ 
> Twitter: 
> moustafa.r...@gmail.com 
> youtube chanael: 
> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> fred olver
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: keyboard commands with voice over.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Larry Smith
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:31 AM
> Subject: keyboard commands with voice over.
>  
> When I read through the list of keyboard commands I was pretty confused, they 
> all seemed to run together. So, I went through and attempted to put them in a 
> format which I could read and understand. My next step is to put them in to 
> Braille. If you would like an MSWord 2007 or 2003 copy of the list let me 
> know and I'll email it to you. Just send a message to me, Fred Olver at:  
> goodfo...@charter.net and I'll make the list available to you. 
> 
>  VoiceOver Keyboard Commands VO = Control-Option
> 
>  Read all, starting from the current position: VO-A
> 
> Read from the top: VO-B
> 
> Move to the status bar: VO-M
> 
>  Press the Home button: VO-H
> 
> Select the next or previous item: VO- Right Arrow or VO-Left Arrow
> 
> Tap an item: VO-Space bar
> 
> Double-tap with two fingers: VO-"-"
> 
> Choose the next or previous rotor item: VO-Up Arrow or VO-Down Arrow
> 
> Choose the next or previous speech rotor item: VO-Command-Left Arrow or VO- 
> Command-Right Arrow
> 
> Adjust speech rotor item: VO-Command- Up Arrow or VO-Command-Down Arrow
> 
> Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO-S
> 
> Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO- Shift-S
> 
> Turn on VoiceOver help:  VO-K
> 
> Return to the previous screen, or turn off VoiceOver help: Escape
> 
> Quick Nav
> 
> Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys.
> 
> Quick Nav is off by default.
> 
> Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow-Right Arrow
> 
> Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow
> 
> Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor setting: Up Arrow or 
> Down Arrow
> 
> Select the first or last item: Control-Up Arrow or Control-Down Arrow
> 
>  "Tap" an item: Up Arrow-Down Arrow
> 
> Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option-Up Arrow, Option-Down Arrow, 
> Option-Left Arrow, or Option-Right Arrow
> 
> Change the rotor: Up Arrow-Left Arrow or Up Arrow-Right Arrow
> 
> http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com  For some of us it's a way of life and 
> for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver
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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[David Chittenden]

Braille Touch works quite well for typing with VO on. No reason to turn VO off. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 11:34, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so 
> much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my 
> chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and 
> faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could 
> only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love 
> the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type!
> 
> Reggie and Brooks
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
>> lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just 
>> used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will 
>> still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger 
>> placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to 
>> hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have 
>> to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk 
>> or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap.  
>>  
>> Tom
>>  
>>   
>> - Original Message -
>> From: BrailleTouch
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
>> BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape 
>> of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if 
>> it works for you.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Caleb
>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>> 
>> On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>>> Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, 
>>> if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots 
>>> most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How 
>>> about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the 
>>> fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom 
>>> center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.  
>>> Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: BrailleTouch
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>>> 
>>> Hi Rob and everyone,
>>> I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
>>> BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
>>> characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.
>>> 
>>> When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
>>> four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
>>> dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
>>> index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
>>> find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
>>> apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
>>> that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
>>> forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
>>> and reliably located your left hand.
>>> 
>>> Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
>>> index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
>>> finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
>>> the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
>>> your right hand.
>>> 
>>> I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
>>> BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
>>> to work. Please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caleb
>>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>>> 
>>> On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
>>> > I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
>>> > accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
>>> > like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so 
>>> > we
>>> > might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
>>> > Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, RobH.
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Regina Alvarado" 
>>> > To: 
>>> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
>>> > Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little 
>>> > finger
>>> > but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me 
>>> > and
>>> > my thumbs 

RE: keyboard commands with voice over.

[Alex Stone]

David, only if the device in question is already paired with your phone.

Cheers

Alex

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: 02 February 2013 22:39
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: keyboard commands with voice over.

 

It is necessary to press either power or home buttons on the iPhone to wake
it. This is good security. Otherwise, someone could connect a bluetooth
device to your iDevice and access it whilst it is in your pocket or bag. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 03/02/2013, at 11:28, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

All I need is how to unlock the  phone by the keyboard?

 

Cheers: 
Ramy Moustafa 
If music be the food of love... play on. 
Mobile: 
0020102221750 
Personal email: 
  ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com 
Msn and aim messengers: 
  flutelo...@link.net 
Studio email: 
  harmonystudio2...@gmail.com 
facebook profile: 
http://www.facebook.com/ 
Twitter: 
moustafa.r...@gmail.com 
youtube chanael: 
 
www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of fred olver
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: keyboard commands with voice over.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Larry Smith   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:31 AM

Subject: keyboard commands with voice over.

 

When I read through the list of keyboard commands I was pretty confused,
they all seemed to run together. So, I went through and attempted to put
them in a format which I could read and understand. My next step is to put
them in to Braille. If you would like an MSWord 2007 or 2003 copy of the
list let me know and I'll email it to you. Just send a message to me, Fred
Olver at:  goodfo...@charter.net and I'll make the list available to you. 

 VoiceOver Keyboard Commands VO = Control-Option

 Read all, starting from the current position: VO-A 

Read from the top: VO-B 

Move to the status bar: VO-M

 Press the Home button: VO-H 

Select the next or previous item: VO- Right Arrow or VO-Left Arrow 

Tap an item: VO-Space bar 

Double-tap with two fingers: VO-"-" 

Choose the next or previous rotor item: VO-Up Arrow or VO-Down Arrow 

Choose the next or previous speech rotor item: VO-Command-Left Arrow or VO-
Command-Right Arrow 

Adjust speech rotor item: VO-Command- Up Arrow or VO-Command-Down Arrow 

Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO-S 

Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO- Shift-S 

Turn on VoiceOver help:  VO-K 

Return to the previous screen, or turn off VoiceOver help: Escape 

Quick Nav 

Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys. 

Quick Nav is off by default. 

Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow-Right Arrow 

Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow 

Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor setting: Up Arrow or
Down Arrow 

Select the first or last item: Control-Up Arrow or Control-Down Arrow

 "Tap" an item: Up Arrow-Down Arrow 

Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option-Up Arrow, Option-Down Arrow,
Option-Left Arrow, or Option-Right Arrow 

Change the rotor: Up Arrow-Left Arrow or Up Arrow-Right Arrow

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com  For some of us it's a way of life and
for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver

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Re: Passwords

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi Ramy,

I've been using Keeper for a few months and have been very satisfied with it.

Kimber

On 2/2/13, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
>
> Hi all:
> I have many passwords, and I need to find a program to store them,  is
> there
> an accessible program for doing this? Just put my user and password for
> each
> thing?
>
> Cheers:
> Ramy Moustafa
> If music be the food of love... play on.
> Mobile:
> 0020102221750
> Personal email:
> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
> Msn and aim messengers:
> flutelo...@link.net
> Studio email:
> harmonystudio2...@gmail.com
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> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
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Re: access note, is it worth it?

[Cheryl Homiak]

Actually, I'm not having to press new page to go to the next page; that's 
partly like I like it better than the Pages app. Are you using it with review 
on or off? I wonder if that makes a difference.

-- 
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May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

> hi.
> 
> I am wondering about 1 thing. Why is the braille display not following when 
> you go through pages. I press the command for new page, the braille display 
> is still on the same page. That is a problem in some apps, but it works in a 
> great number of apps, so i wonder what has happened.
> 
> I am rather frustrated about access notes at the moment.
> Best regards Annie.
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
>> When I hit Option+r to rename a note, VoiceOver says, "Select All."  Why is 
>> this?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Jesper Holten  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Annie.
>>> It is working fine here' I use Australian voice thugh but I do not think it 
>>> makes a difference'
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> Jesper
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPhone
>>> 
>>> Den 02/02/2013 kl. 21.01 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>> :
>>> 
 Hi.
 
 Can we use the search function here in Denmark in any way.
 
 I have tried turning 8 dots braille and contracted braille off, it was not 
 working, I have also tried to change the language to u.s. it did not work 
 in u.s. either on my IPhone.
 
 Is there anyway to get it to work.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 
 
 Best regards Annie.
 On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Jesper Holten  
 wrote:
 
> Hi Bred.
> It is only txt format for now but they are working on other formats.
> This goes both for import and import.
> 
> Best regards, Jesper.
> 
> On 1/31/13, Brett  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A great informative post. Can you let me know which file types are
>> supported, as this isn't mentioned in the description.
>> 
>> Sent from Brett's iPhone
>> 
>> On 31/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> From my perspective, AccessNote is absolutely worth the money. I got it 
>>> a
>>> few hours ago and am thrilled. Yes, it needs more features, such as find
>>> and replace, the ability to move by paragraph with a braille display, 
>>> and
>>> the ability to handle more file types. But it does quite a few things 
>>> that
>>> no other notetaking app I've tried does, and it does them well.
>>> 
>>> One is that when I do a search, I am taken right to the spot where the
>>> search item is. This sort of works in Pages if I'm using a braille
>>> display, but really doesn't work well for me when I'm not. I've wanted 
>>> to
>>> be able to search my documents for years, and I love being able to do it
>>> consistently.
>>> 
>>> Another benefit is that unlike Pages, wherever I am is in edit mode. 
>>> With
>>> Pages, I have been frustrated on many occasions by reading along and
>>> wanting to change something, double-tapping, and finding the insertion
>>> point is somewhere else entirely, so I have to find my place again. This
>>> isn't happening with accessNote, at least so far.
>>> 
>>> AccessNote saves my place in a file. If I'm reading with a braille
>>> display, I need to double-tap to be sure the correct location is saved,
>>> and I need to back out of the file before removing the app from the App
>>> switcher, but if I do those things, it works consistently. Moreover, 
>>> when
>>> I open the app, the line I was reading appears on the display, rather 
>>> than
>>> my needing to tap somewhere to get focus to the right place. This isn't 
>>> a
>>> big deal, but it's a nice change from other apps.
>>> 
>>> Finally, it's a way to read braille files without a lot of processing, 
>>> and
>>> the files appear using the formatting with which they were written. 
>>> Since
>>> most braille files have a lot of extra dot 7s in them, I would still 
>>> want
>>> to change the case of the whole file to lower case first to get rid of
>>> them. But if the files don't have them or if you don't care about
>>> eliminating them, all you have to do is add a txt extension, and they
>>> appear in beautifully formatted braille.
>>> 
>>> Is $20 a lot to spend for a notetaking app? Absolutely. But since this
>>> does so many things that no other app I've used does, I'm glad I bought
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> The other notetaking apps I've used are Pages, which has the problems I
>>> mentioned, Notes, which is great for short things but would be a pain 
>>> for
>>> longer ones because it has no search ability, and very briefly Elements,
>

Re: keyboard commands with voice over.

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and pairing can be hacked. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 11:57, "Alex Stone"  wrote:

> David, only if the device in question is already paired with your phone.
> Cheers
> Alex
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: 02 February 2013 22:39
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: keyboard commands with voice over.
>  
> It is necessary to press either power or home buttons on the iPhone to wake 
> it. This is good security. Otherwise, someone could connect a bluetooth 
> device to your iDevice and access it whilst it is in your pocket or bag. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 03/02/2013, at 11:28, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:
> 
> All I need is how to unlock the  phone by the keyboard?
>  
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> fred olver
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: keyboard commands with voice over.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Larry Smith
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:31 AM
> Subject: keyboard commands with voice over.
>  
> When I read through the list of keyboard commands I was pretty confused, they 
> all seemed to run together. So, I went through and attempted to put them in a 
> format which I could read and understand. My next step is to put them in to 
> Braille. If you would like an MSWord 2007 or 2003 copy of the list let me 
> know and I'll email it to you. Just send a message to me, Fred Olver at:  
> goodfo...@charter.net and I'll make the list available to you. 
> 
>  VoiceOver Keyboard Commands VO = Control-Option
> 
>  Read all, starting from the current position: VO-A
> 
> Read from the top: VO-B
> 
> Move to the status bar: VO-M
> 
>  Press the Home button: VO-H
> 
> Select the next or previous item: VO- Right Arrow or VO-Left Arrow
> 
> Tap an item: VO-Space bar
> 
> Double-tap with two fingers: VO-"-"
> 
> Choose the next or previous rotor item: VO-Up Arrow or VO-Down Arrow
> 
> Choose the next or previous speech rotor item: VO-Command-Left Arrow or VO- 
> Command-Right Arrow
> 
> Adjust speech rotor item: VO-Command- Up Arrow or VO-Command-Down Arrow
> 
> Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO-S
> 
> Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO- Shift-S
> 
> Turn on VoiceOver help:  VO-K
> 
> Return to the previous screen, or turn off VoiceOver help: Escape
> 
> Quick Nav
> 
> Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys.
> 
> Quick Nav is off by default.
> 
> Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow-Right Arrow
> 
> Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow
> 
> Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor setting: Up Arrow or 
> Down Arrow
> 
> Select the first or last item: Control-Up Arrow or Control-Down Arrow
> 
>  "Tap" an item: Up Arrow-Down Arrow
> 
> Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option-Up Arrow, Option-Down Arrow, 
> Option-Left Arrow, or Option-Right Arrow
> 
> Change the rotor: Up Arrow-Left Arrow or Up Arrow-Right Arrow
> 
> http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com  For some of us it's a way of life and 
> for some of us it just makes life easier. Fred Olver
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Re: BrailleTouch Key Formation

[Carol Pearson]

I have tried both layouts and they both have pluses and minuses. Yes, let's 
have all layouts you can perceive people wanting to use! That would be great! 
After all, one day I might be standing around, or another I can lie comfortably 
on the settee! (I prefer the latter)!

Thanks for listening to us!



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Feb 2013, at 09:04 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

> Hi Holly and Ajax,
> 
> We will definitely keep the current keyboard layout available in 
> BrailleTouch, even if we add other options. I am listening to everyone's 
> comments about an alternate straight line layout as a settings option.
> 
> Best,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> On 2/2/2013 3:28 PM, Holly wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I do think, if the keys are given a new layout, that it should be a 
>> configurable option. I like the current one, and I gather that I'm not the 
>> only one. However, different people have different comfort levels. If the 
>> coding isn't too difficult, I'd like to see a couple of layouts to choose 
>> from. I'd hate to see the current layout disappear forever. Just my two 
>> cents.
>>  
>> Holly and Ajax
>>  
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a t i guys keyboard

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I bought the bluetooth keyboard from the a t I guys, but don't know where is
the vo buttomn? I saw many videos but all videos r talking about the apple
blue tooth keyboard. So I need to know how to find the double tap for
instance?
Til now I can't open anything? I use the enter key but with no success.

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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

[Cheryl Homiak]

Maybe this will be easier. What I am finding works better is to double tap with 
one finger and hold. Then without letting my finger up I slide my finger. It 
doesn't seem to matter whether I slide to right or left but I haven't tried up 
or down. it doesn't matter how far. Then when I lift my finger and flick I find 
the 'confirm delete" button. It will stay there until you either confirm delete 
or double tap the note which doesn't open it bur removes the confirm delete. 
Double tap swipe doesn't work for me either but double tap-hold-slide is 
working every time. Be sure you hold till you hear the tritone.


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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Kimberly  wrote:

> I guess there is something wrong with how I'm swiping because I never see the 
> delete button. This is really annoying. 
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:23 AM, "Jon Pierson"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> According to the help a double tap and hold followed by a swipe right to
>> bring up the delete button will do the trick.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note
>> 
>> Thanks for the info. That seems like a huge drawback to me. Deleting is such
>> a basic function that its amazing it can't be done from within the app
>> itself.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>>> On the podcast that was done on AppleVis, they said you have to delete it
>> through dropbox.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:44 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I 
 can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I 
 first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's 
 no edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures 
 don't seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
 
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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Cheryl Homiak]

I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are having 
sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never do.

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On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so 
> much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my 
> chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and 
> faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could 
> only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love 
> the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type!
> 
> Reggie and Brooks
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
>> lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just 
>> used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will 
>> still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger 
>> placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to 
>> hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have 
>> to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk 
>> or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap.  
>>  
>> Tom
>>  
>>   
>> - Original Message -
>> From: BrailleTouch
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
>> BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape 
>> of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if 
>> it works for you.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Caleb
>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>> 
>> On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>>> Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, 
>>> if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots 
>>> most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How 
>>> about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the 
>>> fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom 
>>> center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.  
>>> Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: BrailleTouch
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>>> 
>>> Hi Rob and everyone,
>>> I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
>>> BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
>>> characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.
>>> 
>>> When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
>>> four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
>>> dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
>>> index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
>>> find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
>>> apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
>>> that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
>>> forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
>>> and reliably located your left hand.
>>> 
>>> Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
>>> index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
>>> finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
>>> the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
>>> your right hand.
>>> 
>>> I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
>>> BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
>>> to work. Please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caleb
>>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>>> 
>>> On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
>>> > I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
>>> > accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
>>> > like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so 
>>> > we
>>> > might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
>>> > Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, RobH.
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Regina Alvarado" 
>>> > To: 
>>> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
>>> > Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little 
>>>

Re: a t i guys keyboard

[Regina Alvarado]

Is this a keyboard for the iPhone? I am assuming so, and to get into an app, 
you will Ppush the up and down arrows together. There is a good list of BT 
keyboard commands on blind how to. Right now I cannot give the link as I am 
currently struggling with Safari and how to use and am writing on iPhone. Can 
someone here help   me out with the link, please? Working on Safari, but 
finding it slow to understand. yeS, should have been one of the first things I 
learned, but you see, I had my computer! (LOL!)

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

> Hi all:
> 
> I bought the bluetooth keyboard from the a t I guys, but don't know where is
> the vo buttomn? I saw many videos but all videos r talking about the apple
> blue tooth keyboard. So I need to know how to find the double tap for
> instance?
> Til now I can't open anything? I use the enter key but with no success.
> 
> Cheers:
> Ramy Moustafa
> If music be the food of love... play on.
> Mobile:
> 0020102221750
> Personal email:
> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
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Download question

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Hi, I have bought some yoga audio downloads from  a yoga website. I have to 
download them to use them. I can do it via the computer but I would prefer to 
do it so I can get them straight onto my iPhone, even if I have to put them in 
my db and not Itunes. I have atomic web browser so technically I should be able 
to download from there into my box, but it doesn't seem to be working. Anyone 
have any ideas? Is there any way of downloading straight onto my iPhone? 
Thanks. Kirsten. 


reply://kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com



 

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Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Joe]

I've not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those of us
not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list specific to the
app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the subject that some of
us wish would be minimized in light of the high traffic here under the best
of circumstances. No bash against Braille Touch or the people that are using
it. I'm just wondering if we can do a little traffic control is all. And,
yeah, my Delete key could use some exercise, except people keep changing the
subject line to make deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for
considering.

 

Joe

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Fleksy question

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Hi again, how do I get Fleksy not to put  the first  words I type into the 
subject field of a message when I use it to write and send an email? 
I want the first line to go in the actual body of the message, I will write my 
own subject. 
Or should I write the subject above what I intend to put in the message? 
Thanks. 


reply://kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com



Kirsten 

Sent from my iPhone

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iPad Trouble

[Jane]

Hey there.

I accidentally set up my daughter's iPad to use my Apple ID. I want to set it 
so it will use her own Apple ID for iCloud Messages, and FaceTime. How can I 
fix this on the iPad? Do I have to start all over and re-do everything, or can 
I somehow fix it in Messages?

Jane


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RE: Fleksy question

[Jon Pierson]

Hi Kirsten,
Try changing the "include subject in body" setting in the Fleksy settings
which can be found in the standard iPhone settings area.

Jon
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kirsten Edmondson
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:55 PM
To: Viphone Group
Subject: Fleksy question

Hi again, how do I get Fleksy not to put  the first  words I type into the
subject field of a message when I use it to write and send an email? 
I want the first line to go in the actual body of the message, I will write
my own subject. 
Or should I write the subject above what I intend to put in the message? 
Thanks. 


reply://kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com




Kirsten 

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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Regina Alvarado]

Cheryl,
You are correcT. When I go intoBraille Touch, and begin to type, the letters 
are read back to me very delayed. Caleb told me to turn Vo ofF and back on just 
as I must do in Fleksy. Hoping one of these developers  will come up with  a 
fix as it is a workaround but would be better if not necessary. I still wonder 
if it has something to do with upgrading over the air.

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are 
> having sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never do.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
> 
>> Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so 
>> much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my 
>> chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and 
>> faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could 
>> only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love 
>> the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type!
>> 
>> Reggie and Brooks
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
>>> lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just 
>>> used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will 
>>> still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger 
>>> placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to 
>>> hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have 
>>> to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk 
>>> or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap.  
>>>  
>>> Tom
>>>  
>>>   
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: BrailleTouch
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
>>> BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape 
>>> of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see 
>>> if it works foryou.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Caleb
>>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>>> 
>>> On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, 
 if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct 
 dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets 
 tiring.  How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing 
 up and the fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in 
 the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest 
 of the V.  Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, 
 hand-held.
 - Original Message -
 From: BrailleTouch
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
 
 Hi Rob and everyone,
 I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
 BrailleTouch for new users andpeople having trouble with certain 
 characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.
 
 When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
 four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
 dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
 index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
 find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
 apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
 that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
 forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
 and reliably located your left hand.
 
 Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with yourright 
 index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
 finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
 the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
 your right hand.
 
 I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
 BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
 to work. Please let me know.
 
 Thanks,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
 > I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
 > accuracy isn't

Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Joe,

I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on 
BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of 
general interest to the list can contact me directly at our support 
 or contact 
 pages.


I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before 
the release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible 
before launching the forum.


Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:


I've not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those 
of us not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list 
specific to the app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the 
subject that some of us wish would be minimized in light of the high 
traffic here under the best of circumstances. No bash against Braille 
Touch or the people that are using it. I'm just wondering if we can do 
a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my Delete key could use 
some exercise, except people keep changing the subject line to make 
deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.


Joe

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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree there's been a lot of list traffic, but I'm not sure it's any
different than any time a new product is announced. I haven't purchased
this app, but I don't mind using my delete key and taking advantage of
my email clients threaded or conversation mode to quickly delete all
messages in a thread.

On 02/02/13 18:07, BrailleTouch wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> 
> I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on
> BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of
> general interest to the list can contact me directly at our support
>  or contact
>  pages.
> 
> I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before
> the release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible
> before launching the forum.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:
>>
>> I’ve not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those
>> of us not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list
>> specific to the app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the
>> subject that some of us wish would be minimized in light of the high
>> traffic here under the best of circumstances. No bash against Braille
>> Touch or the people that are using it. I’m just wondering if we can do
>> a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my Delete key could use
>> some exercise, except people keep changing the subject line to make
>> deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joe
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

[Robert Fenton]

Jonathan, that is an American source. In Canada we require two spaces. 
Strangely enough, it is legislated in our rules of court in some provinces. 

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-02, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this 
> isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to 
> substantiate what I'm saying.
> http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526
> On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:
> 
>> Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, 
>> hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces 
>> after a period. 
>> 
>> Bob Fenton
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some 
>>> time ago. The convention now is not to do it.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:
>>> 
 The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and 
 usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still 
 the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to 
 insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among 
 those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting 
 rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions 
 that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your 
 braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist 
 braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? 
 
 Just some more thoughts to consider. 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
> documents are written with just one space after the period.
> 
> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like 
> with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the 
> individual author.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody:
>> 
>> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we 
>> need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in 
>> braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion 
>> algorythm as well? Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Fenton
>> 
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Re: Fleksy question

[Bill Rappos]

Hi Kirsten,

I find most convenient the following: 

First, toggle the "Include subject in body" to the Off position in the 
Settings app located in your homescreen. This setting will make the first 
line of your text in Fleksy be your Subject line.

Then, when typing in Fleksy, start by entering a new line. This will leave 
the Subject line empty and all the actual text entered in Fleksy sent to 
the email's text body. 

Try it out!

- Bill

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:55:11 PM UTC-8, kirsten edmondson wrote:
>
> Hi again, how do I get Fleksy not to put  the first  words I type into 
> the subject field of a message when I use it to write and send an email? 
> I want the first line to go in the actual body of the message, I will 
> write my own subject. 
> Or should I write the subject above what I intend to put in the message? 
> Thanks. 
>
>
> reply://kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com
>
>
>
> Kirsten 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Fleksy question

[Regina Alvarado]

You can turn is off in the settings. If you want to write a new email, write 
your subject, double space with the new line key in the lower right corner and 
write your body to your email. That subject2 lines above the text will be 
put in the subject space. I think this was part of what you were asking. 

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Kirsten Edmondson 
 wrote:

> Hi again, how do I get Fleksy not to put  the first  words I type into the 
> subject field of a message when I use it to write and send an email? 
> I want the first line to go in the actual body of the message, I will write 
> my own subject. 
> Or should I write the subject above what I intend to put in the message? 
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> reply://kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com
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> 
> 
> Kirsten 
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Re: bluetooth keyboards for I phone

[Arnold Schmidt]

I like the Amazon Basics keyboard.  After it was mentioned on this list, I 
decided to order it, even though I missed the sale price that was in effect 
when this keyboard was first mentioned.  I have no significant experience with 
other keyboards, although I did get to try an Apple keyboard once, which I also 
liked.  I do not regret ordering the Amazon Basics keyboard.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ann Chiappetta 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:39 PM
  Subject: bluetooth keyboards for I phone


  Hi all;

  I am shopping for a bluetTooth  KB for an I Phone 3g. If anyone has models, 
brands, etc, please post. I am using a 3G and tried a mini KB but didn't like 
it. I'm looking for a larger KB that is more versatile for more than just 
typing text messages, etc. 

  Thanks,

  Annie

   


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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Regina Alvarado]

I do think the traffic will slow, and there is a delete key! I for one will not 
participate in a forum on Internet.  I appreciate the developers on list, and 
if I don't want to hear the chatter, I delete the conversation.  Caleb, I have 
appreciated your help and don't apologize for being here.  since I may need 
further help due to my circumstances, is there a feedback email to contact your 
team so I don't clutter up the list?

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:07 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> 
> I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on 
> BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of general 
> interest to the list can contact me directly at our support or contact pages.
> 
> I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before the 
> release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible before 
> launching the forum.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:
>> I’ve not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those of us 
>> not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list specific to the 
>> app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the subject that some of 
>> us wish would be minimized in light of the high traffic here under the best 
>> of circumstances. No bash against Braille Touch or the people that are using 
>> it. I’m just wondering if we can do a little traffic control is all. And, 
>> yeah, my Delete key could use some exercise, except people keep changing the 
>> subject line to make deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for 
>> considering.
>>  
>> Joe
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Password question

[Jon Pierson]

Hi,
Can IOS6 handle a passworded .zip file, and if not, any suggestions for
something similar?
Since AccessNote & Dropbox allow me to easily use recipes which I now sync
between the PC and the iPhone I thought of other things I could sync in a
similar fashion but in the case of a passwords file, I'd like to implement
some basic security and yet have this file sync up with my PC.

Jon


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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

[Christopher Chaltain]

Crowd sourcing means that actual people are involved in the process. For
example, in the case of TapTapSee, your picture is sent out to some list
of people, when the object recognition database isn't used, and someone
in that list identifies what's in the picture.

Note that Google and Wikipedia are good ways to answer these questions
and find out more about a topic or phrase. For example, to read more on
crowd sourcing, you can go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing

On 02/02/13 08:53, Hayri Tulumcu wrote:
> what is crowd sourcing?
> - Original Message - From: "Woody Anna Dresner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Information on how TapTapSee works
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I heard an interview with one of the developers, and yes, they're
> combining machine search and crowd sourcing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lauren, do you have a source for this information? I have a feeling
>> crowd sourcing may be used in some situations, however I'm also pretty
>> confident, because of the speed of some results, that it is using some
>> of the same object recognition database sources as Omoby and Vizwiz.
>>
>> Jonathan
>> On 2/02/2013, at 10:14 AM, Lauren Simmons 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object
>>> recognizer app works. Its unfortunate that the details are not
>>> provided in app store. This TapTapSee app seems to work by employing
>>> a type of crowd sourcing. In other words, when you take a picture it
>>> is actually human beings responding. This is how it knows it is a dog
>>> or man on the picture. This also may explain why only general
>>> descriptions of objects are provided such as "black shoe," "$20,"
>>> "yellow blouse," "Lysol wipes," etc. I'm not certain yet that any
>>> sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case
>>> with bar code scanners.
>>>
>>> Please try the following for best results:
>>> *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
>>> automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
>>> *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person
>>> on other side can send back their description
>>> *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the
>>> picture to be recognized.
>>> *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring
>>> camera a little closer.
>>>
>>> *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap
>>> pictures of rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those
>>> individuals out there recognizing objects might feel as though they
>>> are wasting their time describing meaningless things.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that
>>> I thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> LS
>>> - Original Message - From: "Barbara Wilson"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
>>>
>>>
 No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
 identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.

 I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are
 a few of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it
 out for a class of students thinking of buying iPhones.

 Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner
 bottles, told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet,
 identified jar of coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD,
 and more.

 Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that
 this app is great.

 I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.

 Barbara


 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

 Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
 objects to start with?

 Carol P

 On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
> It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects.
> Give it a try.
>
> Paul
>
> -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
>
> What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking
> pictures, so
> far as visually impaired people are concerned?
>
> I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
> like to know why it's getting popular!
>
> Carol P
>
> On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
>> Eileen and Paul,
>>
>> The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as
>> well as an automatic flash.
>>
>> Here'

need the address for the mac group

[Amy Beatty]

hi need to get the address for the mac group 
thanks,amy

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A question about subscribing.

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Hello List,
Is it possible for someone who does not have a gmail account to subscribe to 
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Re: A question about subscribing.

[Harmony Neil]

Course it is. Just subscribe from whatever account you want.

On 03/02/2013, at 1:02, Dan  wrote:

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Re: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth

[Traci]

I picked mine up at Amazon, $28.

This is the first bluetooth I've had where it has built-in voice prompts.  I 
turn it on, and she announces power on, battery high, connected.  She announces 
power off as well.  I like how the battery level is also in my iPhone display.

It's a bummer about the voiceover part of it, but I think I'll keep it.  I'm 
liking everything else.

You folks that are more bluetooth savvy, is it an unusual feature, where I can 
tap the bluetooth button twice and it'll redial the last number I called?

Traci
PS. I was told it is pretty cool looking as well.  Mostly black, but with some 
cool blue edges.
1 step, 2 step, ... 1,311 steps! I can do the BIG CLIMB 2013, with your 
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On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:

> I would appreciate hearing more about your experiences with the headset.
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: Traci
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth
> Hi all,
>  
> I received my new bluetooth earpiece today.  My first impressions are, it is 
> going to workout great.  Just what I wanted.
>  
> It was under $30, 11 hours talk time, voice prompts, and has that a2dp thing 
> for vo to come through the earpiece.  Voiceover came through immediately, and 
> pairing was easier than getting the device out of the package.  Lol!
>  
> Two extra notes on the m50, it will pair with 2 devices, great for someone 
> with a business phone and personal phone.  You can also see the battery 
> status of the device in the iPhone status bar.  I can always post an update 
> after the weekend, if y'all are interested.
>  
> BTW, I just noticed on Amazon today a Samsung bluetooth earpiece for under 
> $25 with very similar features.  *Shrugs,* I think I'll be happy with this 
> one.
>  
> Traci
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

[David Chittenden]

Which is perfect proof that we do not want such formatting rules to be added to 
Braille Touch. 

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On 03/02/2013, at 13:16, Robert Fenton  wrote:

> Jonathan, that is an American source. In Canada we require two spaces. 
> Strangely enough, it is legislated in our rules of court in some provinces. 
> 
> Bob Fenton
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013-02-02, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this 
>> isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to 
>> substantiate what I'm saying.
>> http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526
>> On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, 
>>> hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces 
>>> after a period. 
>>> 
>>> Bob Fenton
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some 
 time ago. The convention now is not to do it.
 
 Jonathan
 On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton  wrote:
 
> The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and 
> usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still 
> the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people 
> to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially 
> among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of 
> formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of 
> conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to 
> format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that 
> assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? 
> 
> Just some more thoughts to consider. 
> 
> Bob Fenton
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
>> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
>> documents are written with just one space after the period.
>> 
>> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like 
>> with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the 
>> individual author.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody:
>>> 
>>> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we 
>>> need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in 
>>> braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion 
>>> algorythm as well? Thank you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Fenton
>>> 
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Re: Download question

[Brett]

Hi,
You should be able to do it with atomic web browser. You need to make sure that 
atomic browser is mimicking a full browser first. Then find the download link 
for the file double tap and hold it, you should then get the option appearing 
to download the file. What's the file is downloaded, you will find each in 
atomic web browser. To check what type of browser you have atomic web browser 
set to, go into settings and change it to be that i.e., Firefox or desktop 
Safari.

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 10:45 AM, Kirsten Edmondson 
 wrote:

> Hi, I have bought some yoga audio downloads from  a yoga website. I have to 
> download them to use them. I can do it via the computer but I would prefer to 
> do it so I can get them straight onto my iPhone, even if I have to put them 
> in my db and not Itunes. I have atomic web browser so technically I should be 
> able to download from there into my box, but it doesn't seem to be working. 
> Anyone have any ideas? Is there any way of downloading straight onto my 
> iPhone? Thanks. Kirsten. 
> 
> 
> reply://kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com
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> 
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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[David Chittenden]

Considering that it is going on with more than one app, and considering that 
the two reported apps are memory / processor intensive, I am willing to bet the 
sluggishness has more to do with older iDevices. IPhone 5 has 1 GB RAM and an 
A6 processor. IPhone 4S has 512 MB RAM and an A5 processor, whilst iPhone 4 has 
256 MB RAM and a slower processor than the 4S.

There was a drastic difference in speed, and much less delays when I upgraded 
to an iPhone 5. This is all expected behaviour and happens with computers as 
well.

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On 03/02/2013, at 13:05, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Cheryl,
> You are correcT. When I go intoBraille Touch, and begin to type, the letters 
> are read back to me very delayed. Caleb told me to turn Vo ofF and back on 
> just as I must do in Fleksy. Hoping one of these developers  will come up 
> with  a fix as it is a workaround but would be better if not necessary. I 
> still wonder if it has something to do with upgrading over the air.
> 
> Reggie and Brooks
> 
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are 
>> having sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never 
>> do.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so 
>>> much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my 
>>> chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and 
>>> faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could 
>>> only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love 
>>> the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type!
>>> 
>>> Reggie and Brooks
>>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this.  I have my phone 
 lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just 
 used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch.  It will 
 still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger 
 placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to 
 hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have 
 to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a 
 desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap.  
  
 Tom
  
   
 - Original Message -
 From: BrailleTouch
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
 
 Hi Alan,
 It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with 
 BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape 
 of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see 
 if it works for you.
 
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
> Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience 
> is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the 
> correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that 
> gets tiring.  How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen 
> facing up and the fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both 
> hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers 
> forming the rest of the V.  Perhaps it could be called table top move and 
> the normal way, hand-held.
> - Original Message -
> From: BrailleTouch
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
> 
> Hi Rob and everyone,
> I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
> BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
> characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.
> 
> When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard,first try to find 
> the 
> four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
> dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
> index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
> find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
> apostrophe with your left ringfinger, dot 3. Move this finger 
> toward 
> that corner of the iPhone untilyou find the limits. Now go back 
> and 
> forth with the 

BrailleTouch and tabs

[Robert Fenton]

Hello:

Is it possible to enter a tab in BrailleTouch? This could be a useful feature 
to have in circumstances where we need to number paragraphs. Thank you.

Bob Fenton

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blue tooth head set

[Candy]

I am looking for a very inexpensive blue tooth head set.  I am only interested 
in using it once in a while when using braille touch or something like that.  I 
found this one on amazon.
Kinivo BTH220 Bluetooth Stereo Headphone - Supports Wireless Music Streaming 
and Hands-Free calling

Does anyone know anything about this particular one?  Didn't want to spend a 
fortune.

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Re: kingston wi-drive

[Penny Reeder]

I have this external drive and the IPhone app.  I have not yet labeled
the tabs in the app, but I have found it very easy to use and
accessible (even though I don't know what the tabs at the bottom of
the page do yet )  It's a great way to access m recipe files
with my IPhone, and I am very pleased, especially because the device
was on sale from Amazon.com for only $50.
Penny

On 1/25/13, Mary Ellen Sanchez  wrote:
> Hello I have this drive and you had to set it up under the settings and
> also
> you had to label the tabs int the wifi app because the tabs weren't
> labeled.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thom
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: kingston wi-drive
>
>
>
> Hey Allen,
>
>
>
> Although I don't have one of these, I did read up on it. When the unit is
> turned on, you go to the y fi part of your settings. It should show up
> there.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Allen Maynard
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: kingston wi-drive
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I've been considering the Kingston wireless drive sold at Amazon.com.  I
> know that it is connected to an iPhone via wifi but I can't find
> information
> on how this is actually done.  Does anyone have this drive and if so what
> did you have to do to wirelessly connect your iPhone to the Kingston
> wireless drive?
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Allen
>
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Re: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth

[Andy Baracco]

What is the problem with Voiceover?  how do you pair it with the iPhone?

Andy

From: Traci 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth
I picked mine up at Amazon, $28. 

This is the first bluetooth I've had where it has built-in voice prompts.  I 
turn it on, and she announces power on, battery high, connected.  She announces 
power off as well.  I like how the battery level is also in my iPhone display.

It's a bummer about the voiceover part of it, but I think I'll keep it.  I'm 
liking everything else.

You folks that are more bluetooth savvy, is it an unusual feature, where I can 
tap the bluetooth button twice and it'll redial the last number I called?

Traci
PS. I was told it is pretty cool looking as well.  Mostly black, but with some 
cool blue edges.

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On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:


  I would appreciate hearing more about your experiences with the headset.

  Andy

  From: Traci 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:43 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth
  Hi all, 

  I received my new bluetooth earpiece today.  My first impressions are, it is 
going to workout great.  Just what I wanted.

  It was under $30, 11 hours talk time, voice prompts, and has that a2dp thing 
for vo to come through the earpiece.  Voiceover came through immediately, and 
pairing was easier than getting the device out of the package.  Lol!

  Two extra notes on the m50, it will pair with 2 devices, great for someone 
with a business phone and personal phone.  You can also see the battery status 
of the device in the iPhone status bar.  I can always post an update after the 
weekend, if y'all are interested.

  BTW, I just noticed on Amazon today a Samsung bluetooth earpiece for under 
$25 with very similar features.  *Shrugs,* I think I'll be happy with this one.

  Traci

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Re: iPad Trouble

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Jane,

Go to iCloud, delete the iCloud account with your Apple ID, and create a new 
one using hers. Then configure FaceTime and iMessage to use the iCloud one.

Best,
Anna


On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Jane  wrote:

> Hey there.
> 
> I accidentally set up my daughter's iPad to use my Apple ID. I want to set it 
> so it will use her own Apple ID for iCloud Messages, and FaceTime. How can I 
> fix this on the iPad? Do I have to start all over and re-do everything, or 
> can I somehow fix it in Messages?
> 
> Jane
> 
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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

[Grant Hardy]

Dmitriy,

Are you able to share what TapTapSee does with location data?

I'm happy to leave it on, even if it's only for diagnostic purposes.
But I would like to know what it is used for first.

Cheers.

Grant

On 2/1/13, Dmitriy Konopatskiy  wrote:
> Lauren,
>
> It is a combination of a database algorithm and crowdsourcing. The image
> does not always go to a human for identification. We have a complex
> technology behind TapTapSee.
>
> I actually work for the company that developed TapTapSee.
>
> As you mentioned, TapTapSee's new update does in fact have an automated
> flash in case the picture is taken in a dark place. It also has a repeat
> button. We're currently working on more upgrades for the app. As I said in
> a different thread, if anyone would like to give feedback or suggestions
> you can always contact us via Twitter http://Twitter.com/TapTapSee or you
> can simply drop a line to me at dmit...@taptapseeapp.com.
>
> Hope you enjoy the app! :)
>
> -Dmitriy
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Lauren Simmons
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer
>> app works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app
>> store.
>> This TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing.
>> In
>> other words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings
>> responding. This is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This
>> also may explain why only general descriptions of objects are provided
>> such
>> as "black shoe," "$20," "yellow blouse," "Lysol wipes," etc. I'm not
>> certain yet that any sort of database of known objects is employed as
>> might
>> be the case with bar code scanners.
>>
>> Please try the following for best results:
>> *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
>> automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
>> *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
>> other side can send back their description
>> *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the
>> picture
>> to be recognized.
>> *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring
>> camera a little closer.
>>
>> *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures
>> of rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there
>> recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
>> describing meaningless things.
>>
>> Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
>> thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.
>>
>> LS
>> - Original Message - From: "Barbara Wilson" <
>> barkingbabs1...@gmail.com>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
>>
>>
>>  No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
>>> identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
>>>
>>> I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a
>>> few of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for
>>> a
>>> class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
>>>
>>> Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
>>> told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
>>> coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
>>>
>>> Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
>>> app is great.
>>>
>>> I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
>>>
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
>>>
>>> Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
>>> objects to start with?
>>>
>>> Carol P
>>>
>>> On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
>>>
 It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give
 it
 a try.

 Paul

 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

 What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures,
 so
 far as visually impaired people are concerned?

 I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
 like to know why it's getting popular!

 Carol P

 On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:

> Eileen and Paul,
>
> The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well
> as
> an automatic flash.
>
> Here's a link to it: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
> app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
>
> Hope that helps,
> Dmitriy
>
> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8,
> paul.f...@insightbb.comwrote:
>

BrailleTouch

[Emma Taylor]

hi list members, i think i'm starting to get use to braille touch.

I think it is a great little app. just wondering if the person could please 
explain what the hd cover looks like as i'm going to try out another cover 
today.

thanks,
Emma Taylor.


Typed with BrailleTouch


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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

[Lauren Simmons]

Since VizWiz already does this, and since replicating the same service would 
be a bit redundant when it comes to crowd sourcing, why not instruct sighted 
volunteers to convey a bit more detailed information. In other words, the 
technology and structure is already there, it is now an issue of helping 
others help us. Like I mentioned before, simple details such as name of 
product rather than "soda" would be helpful. Title of book rather than "blue 
book" would be helpful. If the sighted person has no concept of what kind of 
information we need, they will respond in a manner by which "they" believe 
we need. They will convey the information "they" believe we need using their 
personal perspective and not necessarily the information we are looking to 
be described from a blind person's perspective.


LS

- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Information on how TapTapSee works


Hi Dmitriy. Thanks for confirming what I suspected was happening.
Might  there be a way to force crowd sourcing in a future release? For 
example, I took a picture of a bottle of wine the other day. The object 
recognition engine came back with "wine bottle". Well Dah. Lol. I'd really 
like to have been able to force a crowd source on the picture to see if I 
could get more specific.


Thanks for a great app.

Jonathan
On 2/02/2013, at 1:52 PM, Dmitriy Konopatskiy  
wrote:



Alex,

After you click to take a picture does the app say "Picture 1 Take" or any 
other number for that matter?


-Dmitriy

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Alex Stone  
wrote:
Lauren, I had a feeling that was how it did it, but wasn't sure. The 
problem

I have though is that sometimes, you take a picture of something, and
nothing happens. It doesn't tell you the image is being processed or
anything
Cheers
Alex

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lauren Simmons
Sent: 01 February 2013 21:15
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Information on how TapTapSee works

Hi all,

I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer 
app
works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store. 
This
TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In 
other
words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings responding. 
This
is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This also may explain 
why


only general descriptions of objects are provided such as "black shoe,"
"$20," "yellow blouse," "Lysol wipes," etc. I'm not certain yet that any
sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case with 
bar

code scanners.

Please try the following for best results:
*use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
*try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
other side can send back their description
*Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture
to be recognized.
*If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring 
camera


a little closer.

*Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures 
of

rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there
recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
describing meaningless things.

Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.

LS
- Original Message -
From: "Barbara Wilson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


> No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
> identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
>
> I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a 
> few


> of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a
> class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
>
> Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
> told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
> coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
>
> Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
> app is great.
>
> I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
>
> Barbara
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol Pearson
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
>
> Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
> objects to start with?
>
> Carol P
>
> On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
>> It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give 
>> it

>> a try.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegr

Re: Braille touch.

[Norm Jackson]

I am going to have some explaining to do to my wife but I just bought
the Braille Touch App.

I switched from Android and have always missed my droid 2 Global
keyboard. That is until now.

I can't wait to use this in church and meetings to take notes.

My thanks to the developers for their hard work.  I am also impressed
with the responses I have seen on this  list.
Being able to practice with this app made all the difference in the world.

Maybe I will just tell my wife she got me an early valentines day gift. smile

Best Regards,

Norm

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Re: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth

[Norm Jackson]

Does VoiceOver not speak through the earpiece?

I would really like to get rid of chords and had been thinking about these.

Best Regards,
Norm

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Traci  wrote:

I picked mine up at Amazon, $28.

This is the first bluetooth I've had where it has built-in voice prompts.
 I turn it on, and she announces power on, battery high, connected.  She
announces power off as well.  I like how the battery level is also in my
iPhone display.

It's a bummer about the voiceover part of it, but I think I'll keep it.
 I'm liking everything else.

You folks that are more bluetooth savvy, is it an unusual feature, where I
can tap the bluetooth button twice and it'll redial the last number I
called?

Traci
PS. I was told it is pretty cool looking as well.  Mostly black, but with
some cool blue edges.
1 step, 2 step, ... 1,311 steps! I can do the BIG CLIMB 2013, with your
support. Our efforts  will help make a big difference in the fight against
blood cancers. Please give to the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Learn more &
donate here. Thank you.

http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735&pg=personal&fr_id=1250

On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:

  I would appreciate hearing more about your experiences with the headset.

Andy

  *From:* Traci 
*Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 2:43 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth
 Hi all,

I received my new bluetooth earpiece today.  My first impressions are, it
is going to workout great.  Just what I wanted.

It was under $30, 11 hours talk time, voice prompts, and has that a2dp
thing for vo to come through the earpiece.  Voiceover came through
immediately, and pairing was easier than getting the device out of the
package.  Lol!

Two extra notes on the m50, it will pair with 2 devices, great for someone
with a business phone and personal phone.  You can also see the battery
status of the device in the iPhone status bar.  I can always post an update
after the weekend, if y'all are interested.

BTW, I just noticed on Amazon today a Samsung bluetooth earpiece for under
$25 with very similar features.  *Shrugs,* I think I'll be happy with this
one.

Traci
  Come climb with me (in spirit) and please support The *Leukemia &
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difference in the fight against blood cancers. Learn more & donate here.
Thank you.*
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

[Lauren Simmons]

Then the solution is for the developer to find the most widely used Braille 
format and not  just for Canadians.


LS

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Fenton" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch


Jonathan, that is an American source. In Canada we require two spaces. 
Strangely enough, it is legislated in our rules of court in some provinces.


Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-02, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but 
this isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up 
to substantiate what I'm saying.

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526
On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton  
wrote:


Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, 
hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces 
after a period.


Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite 
some time ago. The convention now is not to do it.


Jonathan
On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton  
wrote:


The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and 
usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is 
still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to 
people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion 
especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a 
new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense 
creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille 
touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print 
text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille 
formatting rules?


Just some more thoughts to consider.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden  
wrote:


Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, 
many documents are written with just one space after the period.


My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, 
like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the 
individual author.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton  
wrote:



Hello everybody:

there is another difference in formatting between braille and print 
we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, 
whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting 
conversion algorythm as well? Thank you.



Typed with BrailleTouch


Bob Fenton

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Alt F4 on iOS

[Lauren Simmons]

Hi all,

In the event I may be missing something, is there an equivalent for
Alt F4 on an iOS device? I would like to launch an app such as Clock,
set my alarm, then simply close the app completely. As is I'm having
to go into the app switcher and go through the process of forcing an
app to close. I realize Apple does what it does, and I realize that
ultimately there may not be many memory resources used, and I realize
I'm using a different OS, but there might be a hidden gen of a command
I've not come across, and I'm hoping someone out there may know what
this close app command might be. (Smile).

LS

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Re: a t i guys keyboard

[Eric Whitten]

Try the up and down arrow at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:24 PM, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

> Hi all:
> 
> I bought the bluetooth keyboard from the a t I guys, but don't know where is
> the vo buttomn? I saw many videos but all videos r talking about the apple
> blue tooth keyboard. So I need to know how to find the double tap for
> instance?
> Til now I can't open anything? I use the enter key but with no success.
> 
> Cheers:
> Ramy Moustafa
> If music be the food of love... play on.
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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Alan Paganelli]

I'd suggest that the app is new.  Flecksy drove me nuts but it eventually died 
down.  This will pass too.  Just exersize patients.  Or at least i hope it 
will! LOL!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:46 PM
  Subject: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?


  I've not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those of us 
not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list specific to the 
app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the subject that some of us 
wish would be minimized in light of the high traffic here under the best of 
circumstances. No bash against Braille Touch or the people that are using it. 
I'm just wondering if we can do a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my 
Delete key could use some exercise, except people keep changing the subject 
line to make deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.

   

  Joe


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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

[Alan Paganelli]

Have you tried touching the file you want to delete and then swipe down with an 
index finger quickly.  If it says delete, just double tap anywhere on the 
screen and if it works, that baby's gone! 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimberly 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note


  I guess there is something wrong with how I'm swiping because I never see the 
delete button. This is really annoying. 

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:23 AM, "Jon Pierson"  wrote:

  > Hi,
  > According to the help a double tap and hold followed by a swipe right to
  > bring up the delete button will do the trick.
  > 
  > Jon
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
  > Of Kimberly
  > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:11 AM
  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  > Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note
  > 
  > Thanks for the info. That seems like a huge drawback to me. Deleting is such
  > a basic function that its amazing it can't be done from within the app
  > itself.
  > 
  > Sent from Kimber's iPhone
  > 
  > On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
  > 
  >> On the podcast that was done on AppleVis, they said you have to delete it
  > through dropbox.
  >> 
  >> Sent from my iPhone
  >> 
  >> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:44 AM, Kimber Gardner 
  > wrote:
  >> 
  >>> I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I 
  >>> can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I 
  >>> first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's 
  >>> no edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures 
  >>> don't seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
  >>> 
  >>> Thanks,
  >>> Kimber
  >>> 
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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

[Lauren Simmons]

This is a very good question as I recall this prompt prominently displayed 
when first installing the app. I think a little more information would make 
new users a little less nervous as to possible repercussions if enabling or 
disabling.


LS

- Original Message - 
From: "Grant Hardy" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Information on how TapTapSee works



Dmitriy,

Are you able to share what TapTapSee does with location data?

I'm happy to leave it on, even if it's only for diagnostic purposes.
But I would like to know what it is used for first.

Cheers.

Grant

On 2/1/13, Dmitriy Konopatskiy  wrote:

Lauren,

It is a combination of a database algorithm and crowdsourcing. The image
does not always go to a human for identification. We have a complex
technology behind TapTapSee.

I actually work for the company that developed TapTapSee.

As you mentioned, TapTapSee's new update does in fact have an automated
flash in case the picture is taken in a dark place. It also has a repeat
button. We're currently working on more upgrades for the app. As I said 
in

a different thread, if anyone would like to give feedback or suggestions
you can always contact us via Twitter http://Twitter.com/TapTapSee or you
can simply drop a line to me at dmit...@taptapseeapp.com.

Hope you enjoy the app! :)

-Dmitriy

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Lauren Simmons
wrote:


Hi all,

I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer
app works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app
store.
This TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing.
In
other words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings
responding. This is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This
also may explain why only general descriptions of objects are provided
such
as "black shoe," "$20," "yellow blouse," "Lysol wipes," etc. I'm not
certain yet that any sort of database of known objects is employed as
might
be the case with bar code scanners.

Please try the following for best results:
*use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
*try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
other side can send back their description
*Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the
picture
to be recognized.
*If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring
camera a little closer.

*Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures
of rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out 
there

recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
describing meaningless things.

Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.

LS
- Original Message - From: "Barbara Wilson" <
barkingbabs1...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


 No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of

identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.

I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a
few of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out 
for

a
class of students thinking of buying iPhones.

Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner 
bottles,

told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.

Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
app is great.

I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.

Barbara


-Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
objects to start with?

Carol P

On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:


It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give
it
a try.

Paul

-Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures,
so
far as visually impaired people are concerned?

I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
like to know why it's getting popular!

Carol P

On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:


Eileen and Paul,

The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well
as
an automatic flash.

Here's a link to it: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8

Hope that helps,
Dmitriy

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8,
paul.f...@insightbb.comwrote:

Hello,

No you cannot get it to repeat unfort

Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

[Lauren Simmons]

It sounds to me that a "practice mode" should be introduced in a future 
update. This would be similar to pressing Insert + 1 on jaws and Window 
Eyes. The new user can practice finger placement and typing out the alphabet 
and punctuation marks until he or she gets the hang of it. The practice mode 
can then throw random letters and punctuation marks at the user and assess 
competency. If the practice mode can be turned on and off quickly the user 
can also use this to remind him or her of the location of little used 
buttons or commands. After getting past the first 4 tutorial screens I had 
absolutely no problems repeatedly typing out the alphabet--oh, except for 
typing the letter H which caused nme to drop my iPod. Seems like lots of 
work will have to go into writing the Practice mode program, but its just a 
suggestion. (Smile).


LS

- Original Message - 
From: "BrailleTouch" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement



Hi Yolanda,

Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index
fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon,
which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the
screen a little.

When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a
semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try
to move your left hand up the screen a little.

I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left
index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4,
right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving
your hand position around on each of these characters in the four
corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you
to find where the dots are on the touchscreen.

I hope this helps!
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote:


I am still having problems---obviously with placement.  When I press
my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon.  Left
index and middle is a semicolon.  What am I doing inaccurately?

"If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be
afraid to pick

one of those pieces up and begin again." --Flavia Weedn

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *BrailleTouch
*Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

Hi Alan,
It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type
with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in
the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please
try it and see if it works for you.

Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My
experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my
fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile,
holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a
table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a
letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of
the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.
Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way,
hand-held.

- Original Message -

*From:*BrailleTouch 

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Sent:*Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM

*Subject:*Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

Hi Rob and everyone,
I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger
placement with
BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain
characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to
find the
four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not
flipped the
dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with
your left
index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone
until you
find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.
Then type an
apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger
toward
that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go
back and
forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have
comfortably
and reliably located your left hand.

Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your
right
index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right
ring
finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the
at-sign and
the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good
positi

Re: Passwords

[Nimit Kaur Gmail]

Hey kim,  

Is it an ios app?  Is it secure? 

Sent from Nimit's ipod 

On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:

> Hi Ramy,
> 
> I've been using Keeper for a few months and have been very satisfied with it.
> 
> Kimber
> 
> On 2/2/13, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> I have many passwords, and I need to find a program to store them,  is
>> there
>> an accessible program for doing this? Just put my user and password for
>> each
>> thing?
>> 
>> Cheers:
>> Ramy Moustafa
>> If music be the food of love... play on.
>> Mobile:
>> 0020102221750
>> Personal email:
>> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
>> Msn and aim messengers:
>> flutelo...@link.net
>> Studio email:
>> harmonystudio2...@gmail.com
>> facebook profile:
>> http://www.facebook.com/
>> Twitter:
>> moustafa.r...@gmail.com
>> youtube chanael:
>> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
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Re: Passwords

[Alan Paganelli]

One of the first apps I ever saw was called password keeper.  I was new to 
iPhone but it sure looked accessible.  No clue if it's still around though but 
it doesn't hurt to give it a shot.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ramy Moustafa 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:31 PM
  Subject: Passwords




  Hi all:
  I have many passwords, and I need to find a program to store them,  is there
  an accessible program for doing this? Just put my user and password for each
  thing?

  Cheers:
  Ramy Moustafa
  If music be the food of love... play on.
  Mobile:
  0020102221750
  Personal email:
  ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
  Msn and aim messengers:
  flutelo...@link.net
  Studio email:
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  facebook profile:
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  Twitter:
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Braille Touch

[Alan Paganelli]

Hi all,

I really like this app.  I'm using braille Touch.  I'm finding it easier to 
type if I use the pads of my fingers  instead of using the tips of my fingers.  
Maybe this will help somebody out.



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 4.

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