date:20120809

Hey Steven, the website is looking very nice; and enjoyed perusing your
artwork. 

So that's what happened to Kinkade!!  And when I come back for another round
on this physical plain, I want to get a speeding ticket on the galactic
highway!  Most talented you be.

 

Oh, some of the orbital forms sure seem strange and totally unexpected.
we're so used to seeing boring mostly circular orbits that it would be
fascinating to see one like your simulations. are you aware of any (from
astronomers papers) that might be very non-circular?

 

-mark

 

From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

 

> Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher

> power effects you simulated.  I did a similar thing once

> and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance

> was the only one that was stable in orbits.  My simulation

> was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your

> observations.  Thanks.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview.

 

Check out:

 

http://test.orionworks.com/

 

As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm
in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS
LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links
here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to
change without notice as I experiment & fiddle about with this and that
feature. Here today. gone tomorrow.

 

The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. 

 

I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because
flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially.
It's a shame.

 

I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force
1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant
force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the
external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else
remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building
up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually
forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards.
Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these
simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly
manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an
astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations.

 

I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting
effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I'll have a few
additional things out there. We'll see how it goes.

 

Regards

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


Same thought I had Terry.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

> Check out:
>
>
>
> http://test.orionworks.com/

Some of the images remind me of electron cloud orbits.

T

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


Now that is what I call a wild set of plots!  It appears like you found a way 
to construct the electron orbitals for a complex atom.  Nice art.

I thought that you were going to demonstrate that a stable, more or less 
nominal orbit could be obtained for different powers of force versus distance.  
That was my main question since I think the laws of COE would be violated if a 
stable elliptic orbit were obtained with anything except a second order force.

You might do some tweaking to your equation and obtain  fractal curves.

My simulation was conducted to visually see how interactions between planets 
lead to unstable systems and the ejection of small ones.  I think I gave up 
after I had a single planet simulated due to the complexity of the equations 
with many bodies.  In my simulation I incremented time in small steps and 
recalculated the delta changes in position at each interval.   That technique 
works well for solving high order differential equations.  I have been tempted 
to use it for the solution to some of the partial differential equations 
associated with heat flow, but lack sufficient energy to see it through.

Good luck with your interesting endeavor.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 10:01 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy



> Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher
> power effects you simulated.  I did a similar thing once
> and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance
> was the only one that was stable in orbits.  My simulation
> was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your
> observations.  Thanks.
 
Hi Dave,
 
Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview.
 
Check out:
 
http://test.orionworks.com/
 
As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in 
the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION 
IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't 
work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without 
notice as I experiment & fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today… 
gone tomorrow.
 
The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. 
 
I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash 
is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a 
shame.
 
I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 
1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force 
that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external 
force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a 
constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the 
bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the 
orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops 
out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the 
number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least 
expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of 
unexpected bifurcations.
 
I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting 
effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I’ll have a few 
additional things out there… We’ll see how it goes.
 
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

He didn`t say anything bad about Jesus, he just questioned if you were
following His principles properly. I am sure Abd has Jesus in high regard.
But, now, it seems you are really begging for being banned.

2012/8/9 Jojo Jaro 

>
>
> PS.  I know for a fact that Jesus Christ does not like lying so I am not
> lying.  What I do know is that allah (aka Satan) is a liar and the father
> of lies.  That is why, you as an allah slave have no compunction at all
> about your blatant lies.  That is why Bin Laden has no compunction in lying
> to kill people.
>
> (Remember, you started this religious attack.  This is your third post
> with religious attacks. I never initiate a personal attack but I will give
> as good as I take.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <
> a...@lomaxdesign.com>
> To: ; 
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are
> crazy
>
>
>
>  At 11:39 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
>>
>>> All your "eloquent" words are futile until such time as you can answer
>>> one simple question.
>>>
>>> Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate?
>>>
>>> It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something.  This
>>> controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC.  There is
>>> no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this.  There is no need for
>>> all your "eloquent" speculations and explanations.  Just do it and be done
>>> with it.  Why continue the hiding?
>>>
>>
>> Uh, Obama long ago released the Long Form Birth Certificate. That's the
>> original document signed by the mother and attending physician.
>>
>> There is no other "vault" certificate. The Hawaii Long Forms from then
>> are kept in a bound volume. They are not publicly accessible. That, in
>> fact, is why it took so long for Obama to release the Long Form. It took a
>> special request and a special decision by the Health Department. You can't
>> just request the Long Form, there is no procedure for it.
>>
>> You are asking a loaded question, Jojo, that assumes something is being
>> hidden. What makes you so certain of that, such that you can ask such a
>> question and not simply be a liar, liar, pants on fire?
>>
>> Do you imagine that Jesus loves liars and deceivers? All in a good cause?
>> One test of the sincerity of faith is dedication to truth and honesty,
>> regardless of implications, of reputation or "face."
>>
>> The only other documents that would exist would be doctor's notes or
>> notes taken by nurses. These are not "birth certificates" and they don't
>> have legal force. They are used temporarily until the attending physicician
>> --  or midwife or parent or other person, under unusual circumstances --
>> gets around to signing the thing. They are almost certainly long ago
>> discarded. But they might exist, in old charts, if those are in an archive
>> somewhere. Obama would not have access to them, not directly. But I suppose
>> he could ask.
>>
>> Why should he? The signed, attested documents, executed under laws that
>> would penalize false statements, are legally the strongest documents that
>> exist. Old notes would not supersede them, because notes can be wrong and
>> nobody has signed them as being true.
>>
>> I'm starting to doubt that Jojo is serious. This could merely be trolling.
>>
>>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-09 Thread Terry Blanton

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

> Check out:
>
>
>
> http://test.orionworks.com/

Some of the images remind me of electron cloud orbits.

T

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

> Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher

> power effects you simulated.  I did a similar thing once

> and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance

> was the only one that was stable in orbits.  My simulation

> was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your

> observations.  Thanks.

 

Hi Dave,

 

Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview.

 

Check out:

 

http://test.orionworks.com/

 

As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm
in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS
LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links
here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to
change without notice as I experiment & fiddle about with this and that
feature. Here today. gone tomorrow.

 

The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. 

 

I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because
flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially.
It's a shame.

 

I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force
1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant
force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the
external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else
remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building
up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually
forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards.
Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these
simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly
manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an
astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations.

 

I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting
effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I'll have a few
additional things out there. We'll see how it goes.

 

Regards

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


Well, I guess time will tell as to how critical the angles will be.  I picture 
the effect as being of a low probability nature where a small modification to 
the angle of motion for the protons allows the target to be hit.  This thought 
is based upon the incredibly tiny cross section area of the target nucleus.  
Think of it as a poke into the dark at a small target, where the modified 
magnetic field changes the direction of the poke slightly.

Of course you may be correct in your assessment, and one day we will know the 
proper answers.  Now, what were the questions? :-)

Dave


-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:22 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012



Dave:
I don’t think it’s going to be some oblique angle either… it’ll likely be some 
multiple of 90degs;  or ‘half a pi’ if you prefer your physics served up that 
way! ;-)  
bon appétit!
-m
 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 
DaveR, 
I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit ‘hi’ 
today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds… 
absolutely they will be important because they affect the 
geometries/alignments.  Possibly also alternating E and B flds…  By definition, 
the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that 
alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement… 
-mark
 
 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 

DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the 
proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion 
occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is no 
way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within 
its orbital all of the time.

 

Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description.  The 
other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism.  I bet 
on the later.

 

It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important 
for the device operation just as I have suspected.

 

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


Yeah, I have the same feeling Mark.  It can not be too long now before the 
prize is delivered to mankind.  I waited on the sideline for those many years, 
looking every so often to see if anything had poked its head upward.  When I 
saw the Rossi demonstrations, I knew that the time had come to begin following 
cold fusion devices again.  It was a long dry spell, but I just knew that there 
was something behind the work of P&F since they were incredibly talented 
scientists.  Do you recall that there was a great deal of interest in near room 
temperature superconductors at around the same time?  I had hope for that 
technology as well, but it seems to have slowed down even more than LENR.  
Perhaps it will revive soon.

Unfortunately, I just had to replace my heat pump due to its old age!  I waited 
as long as I could, so now I guess I will have to obtain a LENR-generator 
combination to handle my needs.  It could be worse.

We should all be proud to have recognized a technology that will be immensely 
beneficial and rapidly deployed.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:10 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012



Lots of good things happening this week, and likely at ICCF too…  good papers 
coming out.  I am beginning to feel there’s a trend to see more theoretical 
papers about ‘deuterated metal lattices’ and other titles which indicate the 
theorists have begun to see this as respectable and a very challenging problem 
which their minds crave to solve…  although still somewhat avoiding the CF 
word.  When one factors in the human aspect, Nobel prizes and other 
professional accolades and notoriety, this has reached the critical momentum 
that nothing can stop it now.
 
There ain’t no way this genie could get stuffed back into the bottle now… I 
don’t care how much $ or influence that entity might have, the genie is free!!  
 Reminds me of Robin Williams’ portrayal as the genie in the animated movie, 
Aladdin, where at the end, the ‘thief’ had a choice for a third wish between 
wishing that his love interest would still love him after he confesses to her 
that he’s not a prince, or he could do the right thing as promised to the genie 
and grant his freedom… he wished the genie ‘free’.   It was the right thing to 
do, and it was a good feeling.  Well, I’m kinda feeling like that now!  And for 
all of us who have been following this saga for 23 frickin’ years, it a pretty 
dam good feeling!  It won’t happen overnight, but it WILL happen in our 
lifetime.
 
-Mark
 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 

DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the 
proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion 
occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is no 
way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within 
its orbital all of the time.

 

Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description.  The 
other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism.  I bet 
on the later.

 

It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important 
for the device operation just as I have suspected.

 

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy


The actual BC was shown to the press  Baloney.

What was shown to the press was a printout of the BC they posted on the web 
site, which we know was a fake.  Show me a BC like the ones the Nordyke 
twins have.  Why should bambi BC be different from the long form BC the 
Nordyke twins got from Hawaii authorites?



Jojo



- Original Message - 
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are 
crazy




At 11:08 AM 8/9/2012, ecat builder wrote:

There are many questions about Obama's past.

It is an indisputable fact that the "Long Form Birth Certificate" posted 
on the whitehouse.gov web site manipulated in 
photoshop. The moron who created the PDF forgot to flatten all of the 
layers, so that anyone could go in an move important parts of the document 
around, including the registrar's stamp. What parts of the document are 
accurate, and why was it altered at all? The state of HI uses a number of 
weasel words to say he was born here without backing it up with an actual 
document.


No, the actual document was shown to the press. Printed on that special 
paper. The clumsiness with the PDF actually shows naivete, not 
sophisticated forgery, for sure. You don't think that the President could 
access some sophisticated forgery skills if needed. Look, anybody could 
have done "better."


People alter stuff to publish it. Happens all the time. I don't know the 
provenance of the images people are looking at, what they went through. 
But a visible change between that document and what is in the Hawaii book 
would be easily discoverable, a really stupid forgery, when the original 
exists and can be accessed with a court order.


A number of explanations are possible-- when Obama was adopted by his 
Indonesian father, the birth certificate may have been modified or 
altered, as is often the case with adoptions. The actual BC may have been 
lost or destroyed.


Modified in a PDF file?

As is often the case with adoptions? No, this is ignorant. Birth 
certificates are not altered for adoptions. There are additional 
certificates that can be obtained, for various purposes, but they do not 
contain false information. They might merely conceal some information. The 
certificate that has been published is the long form, which is a signed 
and attested document, attested by, in this case, the mother and the 
attending physician.


I personally doubt Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama is hiding something, 
or playing a strange game with millions of taxpayer and campaign dollars. 
There have been dozens of lawsuits claiming he may be ineligible that 
could be resolved (perhaps) with the presentation of a birth certificate. 
All fail due to "lack of standing" but still require hundreds of hours of 
court work.


Sure. And who is responsible for that. Ecat builder, Obama released the 
long form. He had to go to special trouble to get that, the state did not 
want to issue it. (They don't want to have to dig through those archives.) 
It looks to me like the "birthers" have had some success in confusing 
people about this.


A US military doctor had questions and tried to assure himself that Obama 
was constitutionally eligible to hold office and ended up in 
Leavenworth... Poor judgement on his part, but again, easily solved had 
Obama not played hide-and-seek with his records.


The state certified the birth. That people doubted that is not the fault 
of the state, nor of Obama. The doctor, I'm quite sure, did  not end up in 
Leavenworth merely because he tried to "assure himself."



Of course, Jojo makes a good point that having dual citizenship at birth 
would make someone ineligible as "Natural Born Citizen", which might 
explain O's reluctance to enter evidence into a court. The constitution 
was written so that the president could not be a commander from an 
invading country or have divided loyalties.


It's unclear why it was written the way it was. It was apparently a 
last-minute change. Dual citizenship does not disqualify one from being 
President. There is no precedent for that. It's something that voters can 
consider.


As this author points out, the biggest question is Obama's story of 
attending Occidental where he was a self-admitted pot-smoking bad 
student.. how did he get in? Why does nobody remember him? Who paid for 
his college? Was he enrolled as a foreigner? What were his grades?

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/


OMG. He admitted smoking pot? Now I really need to go out and campaign for 
him. He was a bad student? What a success story, then!


Jed is not the only one who thinks that anyone who doesn't fawn over Obama 
is a racist.


I haven't seen evidence for racism here. Just stupidity,

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy


Baloney.  This is your opinion proffered as law.

Nothing more than a bunch of BS.  A Natural Born US citizen is one with both 
US citizen parents and born on US soil.  Period.  Stop the lies.


Jojo



- Original Message - 
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are 
crazy




At 10:38 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Bambi's mother was a US citizen, although by the laws during that time, 
she was too young to confer US citizenship to bambi.  But even if she 
could, that would only make Bambi a mere US citizen; not a Natural Born US 
Citizen.


This is made up. The bulk of interpretation of "natural born US citizen" 
is citizenship by right of birth, as distinct from later actions. That is, 
if the person can, merely by showing the circumstances of birth, establish 
citizenship, they are "natural born." The provision, as interpreted, 
distinguishes between natural birth citizenship and naturalized or adopted 
citizenship.


My two youngest daughters are U.S. citizens, but not by right of birth, it 
was through later adoption and legal admission into the U.S. That's not by 
"right of birth."


It is correct that if Obama had been born elsewhere, to his mother married 
to a British citizen, as he was at the time, he'd not have been a "natural 
born citizen" by the laws regarding citizenship at that time. He was born 
about three months too early, his mother was only 18, and had not lived in 
the U.S. for five years after age 14. Three months later, she had. This, 
however, is a complexity not contemplated in the Constitution and I would 
not consider the matter determined until it was litigated.


It could be argued, indeed, that the Constitutional provision refers only 
to a very narrow definition of "natural born," though this, itself, leads 
to some severe interpretive problems. I doubt a court would adopt that. So 
far, it hasn't, and natural born citizen has clearly meant anyone born in 
the U.S., citizenship by right of birth location, but also those whose 
parents are citizens, both parents, and it is only when it is only one 
parent that the rules get complicated.


It's all moot. Obama was born in Hawaii, as a legal fact. Overturning that 
legal fact would be extremely difficult, and, so far, it looks like 
attempts to do it have been based on forged documents and pure innuendo 
and speculation.


I got an email, for example, that claimed the hospital on the long form 
birth certificate didn't exist at the time of the birth. That demonstrates 
just how wrong one can be by doing a little internet searching and jumping 
to conclusions. Aha! Look at this! It says right here:


Name of the Hospital Obama was supposedly born at should have been 
Kauikeolani Children's Hospital until 1978. Then they merged with the 
Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1978 and became Kapi'olani Medical Center for 
Women & Children.



Of course, none of those are the name of the hospital on the birth 
certificate. It says "Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological Hospital." In 
fact reading the alleged fact, I don't know which institution Obama was 
born in. Could have been the Children's Hospital or the Maternity Home. 
And either one could use the name "Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological 
Hospital" for the maternity unit. Someone jumped to conclusions.


The obvious way to test this: look for other birth certificates from the 
same period with the same name.


It's been done.

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/

I really want to point to the strong belief behind these posts. It's like 
the pseudoskepticism that has afflicted cold fusion. No matter what 
evidence is shown, there is always an objection. The goal posts move. It's 
obvious that the belief is fixed.


It's the same with other issues. Once one buys that the Bible is not only 
the True Word of God, but also that one is correctly interpreting it 
(that's ego and attachment), everything that appears to be different --  
such as evolution -- *must* be false. So one searches for reasons why it's 
false, so as to appear rational.


As to real faith, it doesn't look like that. One would have no certainty, 
with real faith, that others are wrong. One would be unmoved by 
disagreement, one would have no problem considering what others mean, and 
faith is a condition of the heart, not a set of texts.


Many people are unaware of this salient requirement.  To them a US citizen 
is qualified automatically to be POTUS.  That is not what the Constitution 
says:  In order for one to be qualifed, one needs to be a Natural Born US 
Citizen.


Strav man argument. People who seriously write about this know the 
requirment. Right or wrong, it is a requirement. My youngest two daughters 
are not eligible to be President. But the rule might be changed by 
then


Natural Born US Citizenship has a specifi

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy


Weapons-grade Balonium

Everyone with half a brain cell knows that what he released was faked.  But 
I guess I can forgive you because you don't have half a brain cell.


You say that the Vault BC can not be obtained easily.  You say they do not 
have procedures for getting the real Long Form Vault BC.  You say this are 
not publicly accessible.  You say there are no other "Vault" certificate 
Well, tell that to the Nordyke twins who were born within days of Bambi and 
they can show us their long form BC, which they obtained publicly, which 
they obtained easily within days of their request.  Why doesn't bambi have 
something like the BC of the Nordyke twins.  I suppose the Nordyke twins 
faked their long form BC to show to us; while bambi being a consumate muslim 
would not lie and hence his BC he posted was real.  OK, whatever 



Jojo

PS.  I know for a fact that Jesus Christ does not like lying so I am not 
lying.  What I do know is that allah (aka Satan) is a liar and the father of 
lies.  That is why, you as an allah slave have no compunction at all about 
your blatant lies.  That is why Bin Laden has no compunction in lying to 
kill people.


(Remember, you started this religious attack.  This is your third post with 
religious attacks. I never initiate a personal attack but I will give as 
good as I take.)







- Original Message - 
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are 
crazy




At 11:39 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
All your "eloquent" words are futile until such time as you can answer one 
simple question.


Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate?

It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something.  This 
controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC.  There is 
no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this.  There is no need 
for all your "eloquent" speculations and explanations.  Just do it and be 
done with it.  Why continue the hiding?


Uh, Obama long ago released the Long Form Birth Certificate. That's the 
original document signed by the mother and attending physician.


There is no other "vault" certificate. The Hawaii Long Forms from then are 
kept in a bound volume. They are not publicly accessible. That, in fact, 
is why it took so long for Obama to release the Long Form. It took a 
special request and a special decision by the Health Department. You can't 
just request the Long Form, there is no procedure for it.


You are asking a loaded question, Jojo, that assumes something is being 
hidden. What makes you so certain of that, such that you can ask such a 
question and not simply be a liar, liar, pants on fire?


Do you imagine that Jesus loves liars and deceivers? All in a good cause? 
One test of the sincerity of faith is dedication to truth and honesty, 
regardless of implications, of reputation or "face."


The only other documents that would exist would be doctor's notes or notes 
taken by nurses. These are not "birth certificates" and they don't have 
legal force. They are used temporarily until the attending physicician --  
or midwife or parent or other person, under unusual circumstances -- gets 
around to signing the thing. They are almost certainly long ago discarded. 
But they might exist, in old charts, if those are in an archive somewhere. 
Obama would not have access to them, not directly. But I suppose he could 
ask.


Why should he? The signed, attested documents, executed under laws that 
would penalize false statements, are legally the strongest documents that 
exist. Old notes would not supersede them, because notes can be wrong and 
nobody has signed them as being true.


I'm starting to doubt that Jojo is serious. This could merely be trolling.

[Vo]:Song in memory of Fleischmann

2012-08-09 Thread Harry Veeder

Song in memory of Martin Fleischmann
http://youtu.be/6TsMKsU9Jtk


Fleischmann obituary in the Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9465201/Martin-Fleischmann.html

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Axil Axil

Re: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf

Here is the article that goes with the paper above, I remembered that I saw
this subject before and we talked about it.

http://phys.org/news/2012-03-ions-closer-physical-quantum-plasmas.html


 Cheers:   Axil

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Teslaalset wrote:

> Here's a link to the pdf:
>
> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>  At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
>>
>> 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf
>> < http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 >
>>
>>
>> Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007
>>
>> Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages]
>> Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. 
>> Shukla
>> 1,2,* and B. 
>> Eliasson
>> 1,†
>>
>> (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
>>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

Dave:

I dont think its going to be some oblique angle either itll likely be
some multiple of 90degs;  or half a pi if you prefer your physics served
up that way! ;-)  

bon appétit!

-m

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 

DaveR, 

I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit
hi today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about
mag-flds absolutely they will be important because they affect the
geometries/alignments.  Possibly also alternating E and B flds  By
definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able
to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement


-mark

 

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 

DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the
proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion
occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is
no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere
within its orbital all of the time.

 

Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description.
The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism.
I bet on the later.

 

It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is
important for the device operation just as I have suspected.

 

Dave

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

DaveR, 

I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit
'hi' today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about
mag-flds. absolutely they will be important because they affect the
geometries/alignments.  Possibly also alternating E and B flds.  By
definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able
to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement.


-mark

 

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 

DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the
proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion
occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is
no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere
within its orbital all of the time.

 

Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description.
The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism.
I bet on the later.

 

It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is
important for the device operation just as I have suspected.

 

Dave

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

Lots of good things happening this week, and likely at ICCF too.  good
papers coming out.  I am beginning to feel there's a trend to see more
theoretical papers about 'deuterated metal lattices' and other titles which
indicate the theorists have begun to see this as respectable and a very
challenging problem which their minds crave to solve.  although still
somewhat avoiding the CF word.  When one factors in the human aspect, Nobel
prizes and other professional accolades and notoriety, this has reached the
critical momentum that nothing can stop it now.

There ain't no way this genie could get stuffed back into the bottle now. I
don't care how much $ or influence that entity might have, the genie is
free!!   Reminds me of Robin Williams' portrayal as the genie in the
animated movie, Aladdin, where at the end, the 'thief' had a choice for a
third wish between wishing that his love interest would still love him after
he confesses to her that he's not a prince, or he could do the right thing
as promised to the genie and grant his freedom. he wished the genie 'free'.
It was the right thing to do, and it was a good feeling.  Well, I'm kinda
feeling like that now!  And for all of us who have been following this saga
for 23 frickin' years, it a pretty dam good feeling!  It won't happen
overnight, but it WILL happen in our lifetime.

 

-Mark

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

 

DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the
proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion
occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is
no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere
within its orbital all of the time.

 

Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description.
The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism.
I bet on the later.

 

It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is
important for the device operation just as I have suspected.

 

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Wolf Fischer

Did they say anything new? The audio quality is pretty bad, so I didn't 
understand everything:

They are
a) Talking to several countries (79 if I remember correctly)
b) Trying to build production lines (which might take several years? I 
thought they were already building one...)
c) Are they redesigning the whole thing? I thought their reactor was 
finished, however in Xanthoulis talk he mentions something about having 
something in 6 months..? "It's a matter of materials".
d) Does Xanthoulis say, that they received money from government or not? 
I understand something like "Otherwise we would never finished" or 
"Other persons would never have finished"?


Perhaps it would be best if a native english speaker could make a 
transscript of both presentations..?


So basically just more words, no facts and more delays..?

Wolf


Hello group,

This is from the official DGT forum:

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1288


Dear readers of this forum and friends,

Defkalion GT presence at NI week 2012 has been recorded in the 
following youtube links:


1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at 
http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs


2. The technical presentation of DGT's Hyperions at
(uploading in progress)


3. Please download this technical presentation in pdf (uploaded in 
this topic) as well as the summary of Defkalion's at NI week 2012.


4. An interesting introduction on Anomalous Heat Effects related 
technologies and science by Dr. Dunkan and Greg Morrow can be viewed 
at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HG9raN_2U whilst an interesting 
introduction to LENR, with reference to DGT's Hyperion products 
photo, can be viewed at President, and CEO, Dr. James Truchard's 
kicks off NIWeek 2012 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw.


A presentation of DGT's technologies and progress, supported also by 
a scientific paper, has been scheduled for ICCF-17 in Korea.



We will be back to discuss all these through this forum at August 
20th, 2012


We wish you all happy summer vacations.

Defkalion Green Technologies


Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says 
that:


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached 
to this post.


So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf.

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

Think of a big lightning ball floating inside that reactor creating
ionizing radiation and lots of heat.  I would think you would want to keep
it away from the walls of your reactor and maybe spark plug/instruments
else you will cook them.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of
> the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion
> occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is
> no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere
> within its orbital all of the time.
>
> Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their
> description.  The other possibility is that they really do not understand
> the mechanism.  I bet on the later.
>
> It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is
> important for the device operation just as I have suspected.
>
> Dave
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the 
proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion 
occurred.  Does this match quantum physics theory?  I thought that there is no 
way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within 
its orbital all of the time.

Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description.  The 
other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism.  I bet 
on the later.

It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important 
for the device operation just as I have suspected.

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

I do not see any mention of radiation/ionization products like gammas,
x-ray, etc.  They do mention UV laser bombardment.  Trying to make sure my
theory still holds...  DGT still made out that they did not understand the
complexities of their Rx

>
> I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their
> proposed theory.  Does anyone have any insights?
>
> -- Lou Pagnucco
>
> > So's paper:
> >
> >
> http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
> >
> >>  At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote:
> >>
> >>  http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
> >>
> >>
> >> I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction
> >> between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references
> >> him
> >> :
> >>
> >>  http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/
> >> Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and
> >> H2
> >> Rydberg molecules
> >>
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread pagnucco

Thanks,

I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their
proposed theory.  Does anyone have any insights?

-- Lou Pagnucco

> So's paper:
>
> http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>  At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote:
>>
>>  http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
>>
>>
>> I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction
>> between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references
>> him
>> :
>>
>>  http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/
>> Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and
>> H2
>> Rydberg molecules
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Terry Blanton

Potassium and zirconium.  Magic sauce!

As expected.

T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Teslaalset

So's paper:

http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01




On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:

>  At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote:
>
>  http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
>
>
> I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction
> between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him
> :
>
>  http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/
> Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2
> Rydberg molecules
>

[Vo]:New York Times- Asia covers Water Car

2012-08-09 Thread Ron Kita

Greetings Vortex,

New York Times Asia covers Pakistan s Water Car...Note:  a strange
endorsement:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/world/asia/boast-of-water-run-car-thrills-pakistan.html?_r=2

Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown, PA

Re: [Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo

2012-08-09 Thread Robert Lynn

On 9 August 2012 18:01, Akira Shirakawa  wrote:

> On 2012-08-09 18:55, Robert Lynn wrote:
>
>  Most interesting 5:50 that power output increased with lower pressure
>> (about 4bar H2 better than 8bar)
>>
>
> I wondering it wasn't the decrease in pressure which caused an increase in
> excess heat, but rather the pressure *change* instead?

Good point.

Now that we have seen behind the curtain a little with defkalion, could it
be that one of the advantages that they have in their cyclic system
(operating on about a 6 minute cycle of spark driven excitation followed by
cooling) is that the cyclic change in temperature alters the pressure in
the reactor and thereby causes the active material to "breath" slightly to
maintain the reaction.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012



At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote:


http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23

I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction
between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references
him :

http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/
Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms
and H2 Rydberg molecules

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

I would imagine that anything coming close to those high temperature
(thousands of degrees) singularities evaporating would take alot of wear
and tear from both the heat and particles actually getting sucked into the
singularity.  The constant, Hawking radiation spectrum of emissions should
over time create additional transmutations since all of the material within
that chamber is being bombarded with radiation...my opinion, hope you are
not sick of listening to it yet..

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Robert Lynn
wrote:

> http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
> As with Rossi still no 3rd party validation but lots of very interesting
> information:
>
> As many have speculated Defkalion are using a plasma source of quite high
> power, 24kV, 22mA at several kHz (automotive level performance), TZM
> (molybdenum) and tungsten electrodes, 2-8bar Hydrogen with sparking to
> ignite reaction cycles many times per hour (on order of 6 minutes per
> cycle).  On the order of 3-7kJ required to start a cycle.  Electrode life
> is an issue.  State that sparks create rydberg hydrogen atoms that then
> start the reaction.
>
> Nickel in non- face centred cubic crystals.  No enrichment required but
> needs to be protected from spark kernels, using a nickel powder protected
> within a nickel foam.  Some mix of ZnO, MgO and ZrO too.
>
> Lots of transmutations, and fusion of H to heavier elements, no gammas
> outside 50-300keV (pretty safe).
>
> 180-850°C in reactor, seems to be about 1kW output at present (92Wh out of
> a cycle, and about 10 cycles per hour).
>
> COP up to 22.
>
>
>
>
> On 9 August 2012 20:33, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>  At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
>>
>> 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf
>> < http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 >
>>
>>
>> Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007
>>
>> Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages]
>> Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. 
>> Shukla
>> 1,2,* and B. 
>> Eliasson
>> 1,†
>>
>> (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Robert Lynn

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
As with Rossi still no 3rd party validation but lots of very interesting
information:

As many have speculated Defkalion are using a plasma source of quite high
power, 24kV, 22mA at several kHz (automotive level performance), TZM
(molybdenum) and tungsten electrodes, 2-8bar Hydrogen with sparking to
ignite reaction cycles many times per hour (on order of 6 minutes per
cycle).  On the order of 3-7kJ required to start a cycle.  Electrode life
is an issue.  State that sparks create rydberg hydrogen atoms that then
start the reaction.

Nickel in non- face centred cubic crystals.  No enrichment required but
needs to be protected from spark kernels, using a nickel powder protected
within a nickel foam.  Some mix of ZnO, MgO and ZrO too.

Lots of transmutations, and fusion of H to heavier elements, no gammas
outside 50-300keV (pretty safe).

180-850°C in reactor, seems to be about 1kW output at present (92Wh out of
a cycle, and about 10 cycles per hour).

COP up to 22.

On 9 August 2012 20:33, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:

>  At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
>
> 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf
> < http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 >
>
>
> Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007
>
> Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages]
> Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. 
> Shukla
> 1,2,* and B. 
> Eliasson
> 1,†
>
> (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012



At 12:40 PM 8/9/2012, Teslaalset wrote:
Here's a link to the pdf:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf
You beat me to it!

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Teslaalset

Here's a link to the pdf:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf



On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:

>  At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
>
> 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf
> < http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 >
>
>
> Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007
>
> Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages]
> Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. 
> Shukla
> 1,2,* and B. 
> Eliasson
> 1,†
>
> (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


At 12:33 PM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:

Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007


Full paper is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.5556

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012



At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion
Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf
<
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
>
Reference 5 is to

http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007
Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] 
Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum
Plasmas
P.
K. Shukla1,2,* and
B.
Eliasson1, 
(PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

At 11:08 AM 8/9/2012, ecat builder wrote:

There are many questions about Obama's past.

It is an indisputable fact that the "Long Form Birth Certificate"
posted on the whitehouse.gov web site
manipulated in photoshop. The moron who created the PDF forgot to
flatten all of the layers, so that anyone could go in an move
important parts of the document around, including the registrar's
stamp. What parts of the document are accurate, and why was it
altered at all? The state of HI uses a number of weasel words to say
he was born here without backing it up with an actual document.

No, the actual document was shown to the press. Printed on that
special paper. The clumsiness with the PDF actually shows naivete,
not sophisticated forgery, for sure. You don't think that the
President could access some sophisticated forgery skills if needed.
Look, anybody could have done "better."

People alter stuff to publish it. Happens all the time. I don't know
the provenance of the images people are looking at, what they went
through. But a visible change between that document and what is in
the Hawaii book would be easily discoverable, a really stupid
forgery, when the original exists and can be accessed with a court order.

A number of explanations are possible-- when Obama was adopted by
his Indonesian father, the birth certificate may have been modified
or altered, as is often the case with adoptions. The actual BC may
have been lost or destroyed.

Modified in a PDF file?

As is often the case with adoptions? No, this is ignorant. Birth
certificates are not altered for adoptions. There are additional
certificates that can be obtained, for various purposes, but they do
not contain false information. They might merely conceal some
information. The certificate that has been published is the long
form, which is a signed and attested document, attested by, in this
case, the mother and the attending physician.

I personally doubt Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama is hiding
something, or playing a strange game with millions of taxpayer and
campaign dollars. There have been dozens of lawsuits claiming he may
be ineligible that could be resolved (perhaps) with the presentation
of a birth certificate. All fail due to "lack of standing" but still
require hundreds of hours of court work.

Sure. And who is responsible for that. Ecat builder, Obama released
the long form. He had to go to special trouble to get that, the state
did not want to issue it. (They don't want to have to dig through
those archives.) It looks to me like the "birthers" have had some
success in confusing people about this.

A US military doctor had questions and tried to assure himself that
Obama was constitutionally eligible to hold office and ended up in
Leavenworth... Poor judgement on his part, but again, easily solved
had Obama not played hide-and-seek with his records.

The state certified the birth. That people doubted that is not the
fault of the state, nor of Obama. The doctor, I'm quite sure,
did not end up in Leavenworth merely because he tried to "assure himself."

Of course, Jojo makes a good point that having dual citizenship at
birth would make someone ineligible as "Natural Born Citizen", which
might explain O's reluctance to enter evidence into a court. The
constitution was written so that the president could not be a
commander from an invading country or have divided loyalties.

It's unclear why it was written the way it was. It was apparently a
last-minute change. Dual citizenship does not disqualify one from
being President. There is no precedent for that. It's something that
voters can consider.

As this author points out, the biggest question is Obama's story of
attending Occidental where he was a self-admitted pot-smoking bad
student.. how did he get in? Why does nobody remember him? Who paid
for his college? Was he enrolled as a foreigner? What were his grades?

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

OMG. He admitted smoking pot? Now I really need to go out and
campaign for him. He was a bad student? What a success story, then!

Jed is not the only one who thinks that anyone who doesn't fawn over
Obama is a racist.

I haven't seen evidence for racism here. Just stupidity, which
apparently can exist among racists and non-racists. Though most
people are racist to one degree or other. That's quite another
discussion. The older, highly permicious racism is mostly dead,
afraid to show its face. But a more insidious racism still exists. If
you don't understand it, it's because you'e white.

That's a joke, though under the joke might be some truth.

Let me remind everyone about how most conservatives also didn't
like Carter, Clinton, and many were not fond of GW. We are equal
o

RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

Agreed, or move it to the 'B' list... however, let me chime in just once
more.
 :-)

Jones, having been an attorney in his previous life, would probably be a
better source, however, I think he left that life for a reason and would
prefer to spend time on what interests him now, which is the sci/tech
fringe... 

Being that I have in several 3-ring binders, and have read them, most of the
SCOTUS cases on citizenship, and many lower cases as well, I think I may
have some knowledge and history which 99.999% of people in this country
don't have.  My time in some very contentious startups has also provided me
with, or subjected me to, considerable interaction with attorneys, and the
legal environment... so I wanted to provide some wisdom and a bit of
commentary before we return to what really makes us all drool.

I will include a link at the end which I think provides a very thorough
history and explanation of the legal environment which is pertinent to this
discussion. But first, I'd like to provide a few comments before handing the
issue off to each of you to *research and decide for yourself*.

LEGAL vs COMMON DEFINITIONS
One of the important lessons that has come out of my experiences is that
words have an everyday meaning, and they have a LEGAL meaning/definition.
Guess which one is important when dealing with attorneys, or when dealing
with a judge in a courtroom?  Why do you think Clinton, an attorney, said,
"It depends on what your definition of 'is', is." Most will joke about it,
but I guarantee you Clinton was not being silly when he said that. I also
have a quote from Bill Gates who made a very similar statement in the
presence of attorneys... why? Because they have been in or around attorneys
and the legal world and know just how important words are, and that the
legal definition of a word is in many instances different than the common
meaning, and you better know the difference if you want to have any chance
of winning a legal battle.  Is it any wonder why most of the Federal
Regulations have a "Definitions" section? The hints that legal definitions
are important are everywhere...

This is not debatable... LEGAL definitions are important, no, not just
important, they are *fundamental*, in a society that is governed by LAWS.
After all, how are laws expressed or defined?  Words... they are written
down and then published.  One of the duties/responsibilities of the court
system, especially the SCOTUS, is to clarify and decide the legal (i.e.,
enforceable) meaning of those words, or even *a word*, when disputes arise.

With that said, back to the dispute at hand...

The question of 'natural born citizen' is the central issue; NOT whether he
was a U.S. citizen.  There was a VERY SPECIFIC REASON why that wording was
added to the Constitution... and I believe in only one place.  This quote
from the link below explains it quite concisely:

--
2. What are the eligibility requirements for president?

Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states: 

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States,
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen
Years a Resident within the United States."

This means that, in modern times, you cannot legally or legitimately serve
as President of the United States, unless you are: 
 - at least 35 years of age, 
 - a resident of the United States for at least 14 years, and 
 - a natural born citizen. 

Regarding the third requirement ("natural born citizen"), the Constitution
makes a special exception for persons who became U.S. citizens before
September 17, 1787, the date on which the U.S. Constitution was adopted.
Such persons may serve as president, even if they are not natural born
citizens [09]. 

Today, no one qualifies for this special exception. No one alive today was a
citizen when the Constitution was adopted. In modern times, if you wish to
be president, it is not enough to be a U.S. citizen -- you must be a U.S.
natural born citizen.
--

When the Constitution was adopted, it became the highest level of law.
Thus, the document needed to handle the case where the current president,
who might not have been natural born, could legally be president if he was a
citizen prior to the constitution.  That's why it states, "a citizen of the
United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution".  And the
same applies to subsequent presidents as well until there was no one left
who became a citizen prior to 1787.  Today, the clause, ""a citizen of the
United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" is really a
nonissue since the people that this clause applied to have long ago died.
The Founders knew just how corruptible humans are, and wanted to make sure
that what they created didn't get su

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


At 11:34 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Part I : audio & accent is  hard to follow, impossible to read the 
slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF


Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam.
LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment.
"Disguised" or " Masquerading" proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for 
a very short window

Everything happens very quickly.
Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing 
real-time mass spectrometer)

End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons
Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse.



They just fixed the pdf links : 2012-08-08_NIWeek_Defkalion 
Summary_Defining a new source of energy-.pdf



2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

Part I : audio & accent is  hard to follow, impossible to read the 
slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF


Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam.
LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment.
"Disguised" or " Masquerading" proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a 
very short window

Everything happens very quickly.
Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing 
real-time mass spectrometer)

End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons
Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

2012-08-09 Thread Terry Blanton

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Akira Shirakawa
 wrote:

> Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that:
>
>> You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to
>> this post.
>
>
> So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf.

Same here and I've been a member since June of 2011.

T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

In the presentation it says they open their offices next month.

2012/8/9 Alan J Fletcher 

>
> At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver,
> Canada
>



-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012



1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at
http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs

At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver,
Canada

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

I will send you. Then, you do it :)

2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa 

> On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>> I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you
>> need too?
>>
>
> Could you upload the file somewhere?
> Google Docs, Dropbox, etc.
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

It seems they only have a vague idea about what happens. They need special
conditions in the lattice, they didn't specify exactly what, they just
called it NAE, like Storms do. And that transmutation happens. They did not
claim any particular theory.


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote:

I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you
need too?


Could you upload the file somewhere?
Google Docs, Dropbox, etc.

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

At 10:38 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Bambi's mother was a US citizen, although by the laws during that
time, she was too young to confer US citizenship to bambi. But even
if she could, that would only make Bambi a mere US citizen; not a
Natural Born US Citizen.

This is made up. The bulk of interpretation of "natural born US
citizen" is citizenship by right of birth, as distinct from later
actions. That is, if the person can, merely by showing the
circumstances of birth, establish citizenship, they are "natural
born." The provision, as interpreted, distinguishes between natural
birth citizenship and naturalized or adopted citizenship.

My two youngest daughters are U.S. citizens, but not by right of
birth, it was through later adoption and legal admission into the
U.S. That's not by "right of birth."

It is correct that if Obama had been born elsewhere, to his mother
married to a British citizen, as he was at the time, he'd not have
been a "natural born citizen" by the laws regarding citizenship at
that time. He was born about three months too early, his mother was
only 18, and had not lived in the U.S. for five years after age 14.
Three months later, she had. This, however, is a complexity not
contemplated in the Constitution and I would not consider the matter
determined until it was litigated.

It could be argued, indeed, that the Constitutional provision refers
only to a very narrow definition of "natural born," though this,
itself, leads to some severe interpretive problems. I doubt a court
would adopt that. So far, it hasn't, and natural born citizen has
clearly meant anyone born in the U.S., citizenship by right of birth
location, but also those whose parents are citizens, both parents,
and it is only when it is only one parent that the rules get complicated.

It's all moot. Obama was born in Hawaii, as a legal fact. Overturning
that legal fact would be extremely difficult, and, so far, it looks
like attempts to do it have been based on forged documents and pure
innuendo and speculation.

I got an email, for example, that claimed the hospital on the long
form birth certificate didn't exist at the time of the birth. That
demonstrates just how wrong one can be by doing a little internet
searching and jumping to conclusions. Aha! Look at this! It says right here:

Name of the Hospital Obama was supposedly born at should have been
Kauikeolani Children's Hospital until 1978. Then they merged with
the Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1978 and became Kapi'olani Medical
Center for Women & Children.

Of course, none of those are the name of the hospital on the birth
certificate. It says "Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological Hospital."
In fact reading the alleged fact, I don't know which institution
Obama was born in. Could have been the Children's Hospital or the
Maternity Home. And either one could use the name "Kapiolani Maternal
and Gynecological Hospital" for the maternity unit. Someone jumped to
conclusions.

The obvious way to test this: look for other birth certificates from
the same period with the same name.

It's been done.

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/

I really want to point to the strong belief behind these posts. It's
like the pseudoskepticism that has afflicted cold fusion. No matter
what evidence is shown, there is always an objection. The goal posts
move. It's obvious that the belief is fixed.

It's the same with other issues. Once one buys that the Bible is not
only the True Word of God, but also that one is correctly
interpreting it (that's ego and attachment), everything that appears
to be different -- such as evolution -- *must* be false. So one
searches for reasons why it's false, so as to appear rational.

As to real faith, it doesn't look like that. One would have no
certainty, with real faith, that others are wrong. One would be
unmoved by disagreement, one would have no problem considering what
others mean, and faith is a condition of the heart, not a set of texts.

Many people are unaware of this salient requirement. To them a US
citizen is qualified automatically to be POTUS. That is not what
the Constitution says: In order for one to be qualifed, one needs
to be a Natural Born US Citizen.

Strav man argument. People who seriously write about this know the
requirment. Right or wrong, it is a requirement. My youngest two
daughters are not eligible to be President. But the rule might be
changed by then

Natural Born US Citizenship has a specific technical definition
under our laws. You just can't make up your own rules and declare
bambi to be Natural Born US citizen based on your opinion.

The basis is that he's a natural born U.S. citizen by any standing
intepretation. There were attempts to define this as excluding
children born in the U.S. of non-citizen parents, or one parent not a
citizen. They failed.

Bambi, howev

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need
too?

2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa 

>
> So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf.
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


On 2012-08-09 19:33, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

Hello group,


Videos (direct links)

Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion
http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs

Technical presentation
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BjWSuX3zE
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNclBoLgYP0
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2EO8YHJVQ

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy


At 11:39 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
All your "eloquent" words are futile until such time as you can 
answer one simple question.


Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate?

It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something.  This 
controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault 
BC.  There is no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for 
this.  There is no need for all your "eloquent" speculations and 
explanations.  Just do it and be done with it.  Why continue the hiding?


Uh, Obama long ago released the Long Form Birth Certificate. That's 
the original document signed by the mother and attending physician.


There is no other "vault" certificate. The Hawaii Long Forms from 
then are kept in a bound volume. They are not publicly accessible. 
That, in fact, is why it took so long for Obama to release the Long 
Form. It took a special request and a special decision by the Health 
Department. You can't just request the Long Form, there is no procedure for it.


You are asking a loaded question, Jojo, that assumes something is 
being hidden. What makes you so certain of that, such that you can 
ask such a question and not simply be a liar, liar, pants on fire?


Do you imagine that Jesus loves liars and deceivers? All in a good 
cause? One test of the sincerity of faith is dedication to truth and 
honesty, regardless of implications, of reputation or "face."


The only other documents that would exist would be doctor's notes or 
notes taken by nurses. These are not "birth certificates" and they 
don't have legal force. They are used temporarily until the attending 
physicician -- or midwife or parent or other person, under unusual 
circumstances -- gets around to signing the thing. They are almost 
certainly long ago discarded. But they might exist, in old charts, if 
those are in an archive somewhere. Obama would not have access to 
them, not directly. But I suppose he could ask.


Why should he? The signed, attested documents, executed under laws 
that would penalize false statements, are legally the strongest 
documents that exist. Old notes would not supersede them, because 
notes can be wrong and nobody has signed them as being true.


I'm starting to doubt that Jojo is serious. This could merely be trolling.

[Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012


Hello group,

This is from the official DGT forum:

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1288


Dear readers of this forum and friends,

Defkalion GT presence at NI week 2012 has been recorded in the following 
youtube links:

1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs

2. The technical presentation of DGT's Hyperions at
(uploading in progress)


3. Please download this technical presentation in pdf (uploaded in this topic) 
as well as the summary of Defkalion's at NI week 2012.

4. An interesting introduction on Anomalous Heat Effects related technologies 
and science by Dr. Dunkan and Greg Morrow can be viewed at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HG9raN_2U whilst an interesting introduction 
to LENR, with reference to DGT's Hyperion products photo, can be viewed at 
President, and CEO, Dr. James Truchard's kicks off NIWeek 2012 at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw.

A presentation of DGT's technologies and progress, supported also by a 
scientific paper, has been scheduled for ICCF-17 in Korea.


We will be back to discuss all these through this forum at August 20th, 2012

We wish you all happy summer vacations.

Defkalion Green Technologies


Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that:


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this 
post.


So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf.

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words

2012-08-09 Thread Bruno Santos

Extraordinary!

Thanks for sharing!


2012/8/9 MarkI-ZeroPoint 

> That is way Kewl, Ruby!!  Thx…
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ruby [mailto:r...@hush.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2012 8:58 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words
>
> ** **
>
> On 8/8/12 10:25 AM, Ruby wrote:
>
> Despite the massive typing that goes on each day, "words" are not the
> dominant form of communication.  Words are too "puny" compared to the huge
> networks that move data on a planetary-scale.  It is "macroscopic
> gesticulation".
>
>
> How is this for an example of "macroscopic gesticulation":
>
> http://now.jit.su/
>
> Holy moly. This visibly shows the ambient environment of AI global-brain
> that we are operating in unbeknownst.  It almost makes me want to give up
> advocating; how can any message survive this data tsunami?
>
>
> 
>

RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-09 Thread Jones Beene


Let's drop the political BS. 

We do not need it here. 

There are great things happening in Austin - this crap belittles it all.

Re: [Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo


On 2012-08-09 18:55, Robert Lynn wrote:


Most interesting 5:50 that power output increased with lower pressure
(about 4bar H2 better than 8bar)


I wondering it wasn't the decrease in pressure which caused an increase 
in excess heat, but rather the pressure *change* instead?



Has anyone managed to find the report that has all of this data in it
(saw page 40 on one of the pages he was talking about)


I think that will be posted somewhere at a later time by Francesco 
Celani. Maybe after he will (?) present it during ICCF-17.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo

2012-08-09 Thread Robert Lynn

Very nice.

Most interesting 5:50 that power output increased with lower pressure
(about 4bar H2 better than 8bar)

Has anyone managed to find the report that has all of this data in it (saw
page 40 on one of the pages he was talking about)

On 9 August 2012 14:58, Akira Shirakawa  wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> Watch this! This is not an official video from NI's Youtube channel:
>
> http://goo.gl/UEuCK
>
>  NIWEEK 2012 - LENR - eCAT - Anomalous Heat Effect demonstrated
>>
>> August 7, 2012 - Austin, Texas - National Instruments "NIWEEK 2012" -
>> Francesco shows me the Anomalous Heat Effect from what is believed to be a
>> Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). This is the work of the Italian team of
>> Andrea Rossi which I heard about last year, called the eCat (energy
>> catalyzer) at one point. This is absolutely fantastic, as the implications
>> of this little understood phenomena are a SEA CHANGE to the hope for
>> applications of CLEAN and CHEAP ENERGY. The heat effect is believed to be
>> the same as seen by others, such as Fleischmann and Pons in 1989, called
>> "Cold Fusion" at the time. This is REAL folks, and (hopefully) it will
>> change the world. National Instruments CEO Dr. James Truchard made this a
>> part of his opening Keynote Presentation at the annual conference called
>> "NIWEEK 2012". I am extremely excited to see this making progress, and it
>> has the power to change the world as we know it! I will be posting more,
>> such as the Panel discussion with Physics !
>>
> and Engi
> neering luminaries who have witnessed this effect in other situations in
> the past. Read more at http://lenr-canr.org/
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


Hi Steven,

Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you 
simulated.  I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second 
order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits.  My 
simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your 
observations.  Thanks.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually
understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed
numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules
attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with
incorporating additional "powers" (i.e. dimensions) into the
algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers
into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting.
Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some
of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my
OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task
of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right
now.

Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other
intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and
I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial
accidents. ;-)

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words

That is way Kewl, Ruby!!  Thx.

From: Ruby [mailto:r...@hush.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 8:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words

On 8/8/12 10:25 AM, Ruby wrote:

Despite the massive typing that goes on each day, "words" are not the
dominant form of communication.  Words are too "puny" compared to the huge
networks that move data on a planetary-scale.  It is "macroscopic
gesticulation".

How is this for an example of "macroscopic gesticulation":

http://now.jit.su/

Holy moly. This visibly shows the ambient environment of AI global-brain
that we are operating in unbeknownst.  It almost makes me want to give up
advocating; how can any message survive this data tsunami?

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

All your "eloquent" words are futile until such time as you can answer one 
simple question.


Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate?

It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something.  This 
controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC.  There is 
no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this.  There is no need for 
all your "eloquent" speculations and explanations.  Just do it and be done 
with it.  Why continue the hiding?



Jojo





- Original Message - 
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are 
crazy




At 01:28 PM 8/8/2012, Ron Wormus wrote:
As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also a 
citizen regardless of location of birth.  I have grand daughters born in 
Switzerland who have dual citizenship.


As with anything, it depends on what you mean by "citizen." Further, it is 
not clear that the Constitutional Rule is subject to modification by 
statute, but it's also obvious that the definition of "U.S." has shifted 
because of later events. The rules for *being recognized* as a U.S. 
citizen by virtue of birth are a bit complicated, but they are only 
designed to rule out situations where it's not clear what would be 
equitable.


I.e., a single citizen parent, with a non-citizen other parent, can create 
a marginal situation, and the rules are designed to require a showing that 
the single parent was not only a U.S. citizen, but had a real relationship 
with the U.S., by living here a certain minimum time, after 14 years of 
age. The number of years required changed. Presently, it is five years of 
residence in the U.S. by the citizen-parent before the birth, two of which 
must be after 14. Obama's mother would have satisfied that, she was 18.


However, the law at the time of Obama's birth required 10 years total and 
five years after 14. Given that Obama's mother was 18 at his birth, if 
Obama was born outside the U.S., then he'd not have had "citizenship by 
right of birth" at that time. I'm sure this makes the birthers all hot and 
bothered.


I don't know about the retroactive applicability of the new law. The 
Wikipedia article implies that it was not retroactive, which is a tad 
weird. But sometimes laws are weird.


It's claimed that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. This creates 
a problem. I've bought foreign-born children into the U.S. You can't just 
saunter through customs with the kid. You have to show documents. In 
particular, you generally have to show a passport. To get a passport, you 
generally need a birth certificate. So if the birth certificate was 
forged, it would have to have been forged way back then, when this was a 
poor mother, not socially connected.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birther

The Indonesian connection is completely irrelevant. Obama could have had 
some right to be an Indonesian citizen, but I very much doubt that his 
U.S. passport was surrendered or that any act took place that would revoke 
U.S. citizenship.


It's been raised that "anyone can get a birth certificate." Sure. I've 
done it, quite a few times. I delivered four of my first five children, at 
home. I filed the papers. They are generally to be filed by the one who 
"attends" the birth. The law generally requires that it be filed within so 
many days of the birth. I also worked with the Arizona Publich Health 
Department, because we were generally assisting parents to give birth at 
home, and their critical interest was that the births be registered, so we 
agreed to encourage the parents to register the births (and to inform the 
Health Department of births). For legal reasons, at that time, our trope 
was that the father, generally, actually delivered the baby. Sometimes so, 
sometimes not. You do what you have to do. Later, we were licensed and 
registration became a binding legal requirement.


The point is that it's filed timely, generally. If that fails, it can be 
registered late, but it must still be signed by the persons affirming the 
facts. The long form Obama birth certificate was signed by a physician, 
presumably the attending physician, I can't read the signature, but this 
could easily be determined who it was. The certification shows filing on 
August 8, 1961, 4 days after the certified birth, August 4. That's normal. 
The information on the certificate about parents was certified by the 
mother's signature on August 7. This is all totally normal.


There is other evidence of the birth at that time. See the Wikipedia 
article. The denial of that certificate is totally nuts, wishful thinking 
or smoke-screen.


By the way, birth announcements in newspapers are also often based on 
information provided, usually from the parents, but grandparents could do 
it. What information like that shows is that the claim of Hawaiian birth 
existed immediately. Not later. In this case

RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy


At 01:28 PM 8/8/2012, Ron Wormus wrote:
As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also 
a citizen regardless of location of birth.  I have grand daughters 
born in Switzerland who have dual citizenship.


As with anything, it depends on what you mean by "citizen." Further, 
it is not clear that the Constitutional Rule is subject to 
modification by statute, but it's also obvious that the definition of 
"U.S." has shifted because of later events. The rules for *being 
recognized* as a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth are a bit 
complicated, but they are only designed to rule out situations where 
it's not clear what would be equitable.


I.e., a single citizen parent, with a non-citizen other parent, can 
create a marginal situation, and the rules are designed to require a 
showing that the single parent was not only a U.S. citizen, but had a 
real relationship with the U.S., by living here a certain minimum 
time, after 14 years of age. The number of years required changed. 
Presently, it is five years of residence in the U.S. by the 
citizen-parent before the birth, two of which must be after 14. 
Obama's mother would have satisfied that, she was 18.


However, the law at the time of Obama's birth required 10 years total 
and five years after 14. Given that Obama's mother was 18 at his 
birth, if Obama was born outside the U.S., then he'd not have had 
"citizenship by right of birth" at that time. I'm sure this makes the 
birthers all hot and bothered.


I don't know about the retroactive applicability of the new law. The 
Wikipedia article implies that it was not retroactive, which is a tad 
weird. But sometimes laws are weird.


It's claimed that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. This 
creates a problem. I've bought foreign-born children into the U.S. 
You can't just saunter through customs with the kid. You have to show 
documents. In particular, you generally have to show a passport. To 
get a passport, you generally need a birth certificate. So if the 
birth certificate was forged, it would have to have been forged way 
back then, when this was a poor mother, not socially connected.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birther

The Indonesian connection is completely irrelevant. Obama could have 
had some right to be an Indonesian citizen, but I very much doubt 
that his U.S. passport was surrendered or that any act took place 
that would revoke U.S. citizenship.


It's been raised that "anyone can get a birth certificate." Sure. 
I've done it, quite a few times. I delivered four of my first five 
children, at home. I filed the papers. They are generally to be filed 
by the one who "attends" the birth. The law generally requires that 
it be filed within so many days of the birth. I also worked with the 
Arizona Publich Health Department, because we were generally 
assisting parents to give birth at home, and their critical interest 
was that the births be registered, so we agreed to encourage the 
parents to register the births (and to inform the Health Department 
of births). For legal reasons, at that time, our trope was that the 
father, generally, actually delivered the baby. Sometimes so, 
sometimes not. You do what you have to do. Later, we were licensed 
and registration became a binding legal requirement.


The point is that it's filed timely, generally. If that fails, it can 
be registered late, but it must still be signed by the persons 
affirming the facts. The long form Obama birth certificate was signed 
by a physician, presumably the attending physician, I can't read the 
signature, but this could easily be determined who it was. The 
certification shows filing on August 8, 1961, 4 days after the 
certified birth, August 4. That's normal. The information on the 
certificate about parents was certified by the mother's signature on 
August 7. This is all totally normal.


There is other evidence of the birth at that time. See the Wikipedia 
article. The denial of that certificate is totally nuts, wishful 
thinking or smoke-screen.


By the way, birth announcements in newspapers are also often based on 
information provided, usually from the parents, but grandparents 
could do it. What information like that shows is that the claim of 
Hawaiian birth existed immediately. Not later. In this case, though, 
it appears that the listings of births came from the Health Department.


This is what happens when people believe that "something is wrong" 
and then go searching for it. They find "facts" to question or 
assert, creating a new story that satisfies their itch.


As to the alleged goal of the grandparents to make Obama a citizen, 
sure. However, consider their position at the time. This would have 
required felonies, forging birth certificates is a serious crime. 
Most people couldn't pull it off. This theory requires that the 
pregnant mother travel to Kenya. And then come back with the baby, 
and a birth certificate would be needed for a passport to come back 
in.

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-09 Thread ecat builder

There are many questions about Obama's past.

It is an indisputable fact that the "Long Form Birth Certificate" posted on
the whitehouse.gov web site manipulated in photoshop. The moron who created
the PDF forgot to flatten all of the layers, so that anyone could go in an
move important parts of the document around, including the registrar's
stamp. What parts of the document are accurate, and why was it altered at
all? The state of HI uses a number of weasel words to say he was born here
without backing it up with an actual document.

A number of explanations are possible-- when Obama was adopted by his
Indonesian father, the birth certificate may have been modified or altered,
as is often the case with adoptions. The actual BC may have been lost or
destroyed.

I personally doubt Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama is hiding something,
or playing a strange game with millions of taxpayer and campaign dollars.
There have been dozens of lawsuits claiming he may be ineligible that could
be resolved (perhaps) with the presentation of a birth certificate. All
fail due to "lack of standing" but still require hundreds of hours of court
work.

A US military doctor had questions and tried to assure himself that Obama
was constitutionally eligible to hold office and ended up in Leavenworth...
Poor judgement on his part, but again, easily solved had Obama not played
hide-and-seek with his records.

Of course, Jojo makes a good point that having dual citizenship at birth
would make someone ineligible as "Natural Born Citizen", which might
explain O's reluctance to enter evidence into a court. The constitution was
written so that the president could not be a commander from an invading
country or have divided loyalties.

As this author points out, the biggest question is Obama's story of
attending Occidental where he was a self-admitted pot-smoking bad student..
how did he get in? Why does nobody remember him? Who paid for his college?
Was he enrolled as a foreigner? What were his grades?
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

Jed is not the only one who thinks that anyone who doesn't fawn over Obama
is a racist. Let me remind everyone about how most conservatives also
didn't like Carter, Clinton, and many were not fond of GW. We are equal
opportunity bashers of inept leadership and are quick to "eat our own". But
Obama does have a long and sordid past with communists (Bill Ayres, Frank
Marshal Davis) and was ranked the most liberal Senator. He is aligned with
the Democratic Socialists of America and their offshoot, the New Party.

This video is interesting, even if only some of the facts presented are
true.. (The title is bogus, the tone silly, and it was created by an
individual, rather than the media, who failed to vet him...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y

And a related one about the influential father figures in Obama's life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOmzTLdr_m4

According to the odds makers, Obama will win the election easily. According
to most polls, Obama is trailing slightly in the swing states.

Trying to determine truth from fiction in Obama's narrative should be the
job of the press and anyone who is interested in presidential history. But
when valid concerns and uncomfortable facts are raised, the press is the
first to scream "dog whistle racism"..

May we live in interesting times...

- Brad

Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words

2012-08-09 Thread Ruby


On 8/8/12 10:25 AM, Ruby wrote:
Despite the massive typing that goes on each day, "words" are not the 
dominant form of communication.  Words are too "puny" compared to the 
huge networks that move data on a planetary-scale.  It is "macroscopic 
gesticulation".


How is this for an example of "macroscopic gesticulation":

http://now.jit.su/

Holy moly. This visibly shows the ambient environment of AI global-brain 
that we are operating in unbeknownst.  It almost makes me want to give 
up advocating; how can any message survive this data tsunami?





--
Ruby Carat

r...@coldfusionnow.org 
United States 1-707-616-4894
Skype ruby-carat
www.coldfusionnow.org

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

Well,

Now that I have thought about it some more, if you look out into space and
see millions of galaxies rotating around singularities, within that
singularity is probably the last civilization in that part of the universe
that had a Quantum Singularity device operated by Rossi...

I hope that I am wrong.

On Thursday, August 9, 2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

> Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually
> understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed
> numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules
> attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with
> incorporating additional "powers" (i.e. dimensions) into the
> algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers
> into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting.
> Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some
> of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my
> OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task
> of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right
> now.
>
> Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other
> intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and
> I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial
> accidents. ;-)
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

Bambi's mother was a US citizen, although by the laws during that time, she 
was too young to confer US citizenship to bambi.  But even if she could, 
that would only make Bambi a mere US citizen; not a Natural Born US Citizen.


Many people are unaware of this salient requirement.  To them a US citizen 
is qualified automatically to be POTUS.  That is not what the Constitution 
says:  In order for one to be qualifed, one needs to be a Natural Born US 
Citizen.


Natural Born US Citizenship has a specific technical definition under our 
laws.  You just can't make up your own rules and declare bambi to be Natural 
Born US citizen based on your opinion.


The Shadow Government Kabbal is counting on the fact that Americans are 
either dumb or apathetic.  They just don't know or they just don't care. 
Well, they just underestimated Americans, cause 70% are demanding that bambi 
comes clean and present his real Vault Birth Certificate.



Jojo



- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are 
crazy






<< I thought that since his mother was an American citizen then he
automatically was.  Is this not the way it pans out?  Does the location of 
birth

outside of the USA make one a non citizen?

Dave >>

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

Despite your long long long essay; as usual, you failed to understand the 
issue correctly.  The opinion you proffered below appeared to me to be from 
Wikipedia, and so I checked, and low and behold, you simply regurgitated the 
"fine fine fine" scholarship of wikipedia.  No wonder you're confused.


First, Congress is not tasked to intrepret the Constitution.  It is not in 
their power to do so, and not their duty and obligation to do so.  When 
Congress does make a pronouncement regarding any matter of interpretation of 
law, their pronouncement is simply an opinion and does not carry the weight 
as precedent.  Unlike with the Judicial branch, whose decisions become 
precedent and law.  We need to go to the Courts to determine the proper 
meaning and interpretation of the law.  You can bitch all you want and show 
all you want that Congress has made that determination and your opinion 
means squat.


In Shanks v. Dupont, Minor vs. Happersett, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 
just to name a few cases; the Courts (including the Supreme Court) ruled 
that a Natural Born US Citizen is one born out of 2 US citizen parents and 
born in the land of their Parent's citizenship; that is, US soil.  If one 
parent were a non-citizen, it is clear that the child has to take action at 
his 21st birthday to gain US Citizenship.  His citizenship status before 
turning 21 is in Limbo.  Hence, he is not considered to be a "Natural Born 
US Citizen".   You can obfuscate all you want; it is clear bambi is a 
usurper of Power that he is not qualified to assume.


As for your other nonsensical opinions, it is clear that actions were taken 
to contest bambi's status even before the elections.  Justice was denied and 
bambi assumed power.  Even now, all court cases are denied on mere 
technicality.  If peaceful resolution is not allowed by the Shadow 
Government Kabbal, a 2nd American Revolution is needed to throw off this 
corrupt and oppressive kabbal.  Mark my words, Americans are a peace loving 
people, but they will not put up with this trampling of the Constitution for 
long.  70% of Americans believe that Bambi should come clean and present his 
real Vault Birth Certificate.  It puzzles me why he is unwilling to do so. 
And all your BS arguments will not overcome this fact.


Jojo

PS. And by the way, Snoopes and Factcheck are not the entities tasked to 
authenticate official documents.   LOL 


And I did not even know bambi was a muslim until after the election.  I 
opposed him because he is unqualified. Period.  Any pathetic attempt on your 
part to make this about race or religion is frankly idiotic.







- Original Message - 
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" 

To: ; 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are 
crazy



The current Wikipedia article, which has been
stable for at least a few weeks, seems quite good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural-born-citizen_clause&oldid=503057261

Jojo is stating his personal or collective
opinion as if it were established fact.

From the article, from the Congressional Research Service:

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 
"natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. 
citizenship "by birth" or "at birth," either by being born "in" the United 
States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by 
being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other 
situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth." Such 
term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by 
birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through 
the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]


There is no contrary legal authority of any weight.

Attempting to challenge the Presidency through
this means is almost certainly doomed. To
accomplish it with Obama, a whole series of hurdles must be cleared.

1. Establish that the Hawaii Birth Certificate is
fraudulent. A series of speculative "how comes"
won't cut it. Mere mystery won't cut it. That
birth certificate establishes the legal
situation, until and unless it is *proven* to be
fraudulent. Tough road to hoe. But people who
generate lots of hot air can sometimes convince
others, especially those looking for a reason to
dump Obama, who makes some people uncomfortable.
Maybe it's the cologne he uses. Nah, they haven't
gotten that close to him (fortunately). Must be
something about the way he looks.

Or it's that he's a SOCIALIST COMMUNIST PINKO
MUSLIM. Yeah, Muslim. That's it. Wants to force
decent American women to wear those tents, even
if it's hot. He just pretended to have Bin Laden
taken out, Bin Laden has been taken to a Safe
Place. Probably Area 51. Yeah, that's it. Desert.
Bin Laden would love it there.

2. Show, in a binding legal process, that Obama
was born outside the United States to
non-c

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-09 Thread LORENHEYER

It's long overdue that someone with a few brain cells & a spine, and is 
fully supported  by *individualism* and/or *Real* people who believe in *not* 
living elbow to elbow like pack rats,,, make an real earnest effort to 
*revise* policies  and/or * Laws* regarding the influx of people that (don't) 
think the only way to a successful future is to breed in overwhelming numbers.  
 

   Plus, the only 
way we can protect what we have from being completely destroyed and/or 
devoured will require *us* of whom tend to legally rightfully occupy a Country, 
to 
be vigilent in keeping a relatively sharp eye out *before* the enmassing 
hoard is successful.  If we don't, then we can soon look forward to an 
inevitable collapse of all that we now take for granted 


I don't think most of you want to find out 
first-hand what it's like to be eaten alive... but actually, now that I 
think about it, I've soemtimes wondered what different people thruout the world 
might taste like, if say, one might taste like chicken and maybe another 
like beef or pork?.  Its just a thought, but maybe we need to start preparing 
for a change in our diets,,, and at the same time, saving the animals. I mean 
afterall, they've been  treated very poorly, like *things* instead of 
living creatures in many of the populated areas of various so-called Countries. 
  

 So, just a reminder... you are 
measured by how you tr(eat) your animals, otherwise you may just be one 
yourself.   

<< I thought that since his mother was an American citizen then he 
automatically was.  Is this not the way it pans out?  Does the location of 
birth 
outside of the USA make one a non citizen?
 
 Dave >>

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson

Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually
understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed
numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules
attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with
incorporating additional "powers" (i.e. dimensions) into the
algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers
into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting.
Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some
of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my
OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task
of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right
now.

Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other
intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and
I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial
accidents. ;-)

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


You appear to favor quantum singularities.  What evidence do you have that they 
are real?  I am not aware that anyone has proven that they exist, and this 
would be a great time for you to point out some sources of information.

I think we should also give consideration to standard physics as we seek an 
explanation.

First, we need to be sure that this thing is real.

Dave  


-Original Message-
From: Chemical Engineer 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


This is not chemistry.  It is high energy particle & quantum physics.  I 
believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a 
collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision.  
To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) 
and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron.  Once 
you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear 
furnace...


On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:


Addendum:
 
The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited 
understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be 
any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation 
such as what we see in neon signs.
 
What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an 
unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy 
that has yet to be explained by conventional physics.
 
If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, 
that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be 
taken seriously.

 
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

It seems to me that if the ions are colliding with such energies, fusion should 
occur first before you can even approach the energies needed to form a 
singularity.  In the Tokamak, the ions are colliding so energetically that it 
fuses, but a singularity is never formed.

Your theory needs to explain why the fusion process is skipped in favor of a 
more difficult process of forming a singularity.  I don't believe you can form 
a singularity by just colliding ions no matter how hard, unless of course you 
approach LHC energies.  Are you claiming that energies within a lattice can 
approach the energies in the LHC?

But I am willing to be wrong.  Do you have the math to show why a singularity 
is formed instead of the relatively easier process of direct fusion first?  If 
so, please share.

Jojo

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chemical Engineer 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

  The gas atoms, instead of fusing or reacting chemically are colliding and 
collapsing into a point source due to high energy at the point of collision and 
the effect of quantum gravity (which is much larger) at the quantum level.  
This point source, or "black hole" radiates back to the surroundings the 
nuclear goo that universes are made of.  The reason quantum gravity is much 
stronger at the quantum level is because there are thought to be about 11 or so 
dimensions of space all curled up there.  That "ball lightning" is a quantum 
singularity(s) evaporating and radiating the full spectrum of Nuclear Goo which 
is powerful enough to create new universes.  Fortunately in this case it 
evaporates very quickly, primarily releasing radiation that shows up as heat.

  I just hope that the reason we have not found other intelligent life is that 
they all got their hands on a quantum singularity engine at some point and 
stepped on the throttle too hard...

  On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson 
 wrote:

From: Chemical Engineer

> This is not chemistry.  It is high energy particle & quantum physics.  I
> believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a
> collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of
> collision.  To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down 
to
> quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton
> and electron.  Once you create the quantum singularity you are then 
playing
> with a nuclear furnace...

Hi Chem,

I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term "quantum
singularity". Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least
point me in the right direction?

PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting
explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry & topology
and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such
perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what
Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening -
involving quantum singularities.  In any case, both explanations seem
to be happening at the quantum level.

Regards

Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy


Steven, I suspect that nobel gasses are used for the reason that they can be 
ionized relatively easily and yet do not enter into chemical structures when 
they cool.  It is a good question that you ask about the mechanical force 
generation.  My first thought is that it is due to the heating of the gasses 
which results in additional pressure, but there are problems with that 
explanation.

One might ask why there is no degradation to the piston and end cap of the 
device since the magnetic field from the coil would be axial and most likely 
would not restrict plasma from going out the ends.  I suppose that a time 
changing field, if that is what they are doing, might induce currents into the 
conductive piston end and cap which would have some influence upon the plasma, 
but I am not sure this would eliminate the contact problems.

At this point in my understanding, I am not sure the entire thing is not an 
April fools joke.  Can anyone be sure that a truly independent test has been 
conducted which proves the performance?  If this device is for real, it is 
quite interesting.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:46 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy



Addendum:
 
The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited 
understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be 
any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation 
such as what we see in neon signs.
 
What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an 
unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy 
that has yet to be explained by conventional physics.
 
If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, 
that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be 
taken seriously.
 
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

The current Wikipedia article, which has been 
stable for at least a few weeks, seems quite good.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural-born-citizen_clause&oldid=503057261

Jojo is stating his personal or collective 
opinion as if it were established fact.


From the article, from the Congressional Research Service:

The weight of legal and historical authority 
indicates that the term natural born citizen 
would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. 
citizenship by birth or at birth, either by 
being born in the United States and under its 
jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; 
by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or 
by being born in other situations meeting legal 
requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth. 
Such term, however, would not include a person 
who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, 
and who was thus born an alien required to go 
through the legal process of naturalization to become a U.S. citizen.[1]


There is no contrary legal authority of any weight.

Attempting to challenge the Presidency through 
this means is almost certainly doomed. To 
accomplish it with Obama, a whole series of hurdles must be cleared.


1. Establish that the Hawaii Birth Certificate is 
fraudulent. A series of speculative "how comes" 
won't cut it. Mere mystery won't cut it. That 
birth certificate establishes the legal 
situation, until and unless it is *proven* to be 
fraudulent. Tough road to hoe. But people who 
generate lots of hot air can sometimes convince 
others, especially those looking for a reason to 
dump Obama, who makes some people uncomfortable. 
Maybe it's the cologne he uses. Nah, they haven't 
gotten that close to him (fortunately). Must be 
something about the way he looks.


Or it's that he's a SOCIALIST COMMUNIST PINKO 
MUSLIM. Yeah, Muslim. That's it. Wants to force 
decent American women to wear those tents, even 
if it's hot. He just pretended to have Bin Laden 
taken out, Bin Laden has been taken to a Safe 
Place. Probably Area 51. Yeah, that's it. Desert. 
Bin Laden would love it there.


2. Show, in a binding legal process, that Obama 
was born outside the United States to 
non-citizens. The most solid interpretation of 
the law, though it hasn't been tested, to my 
knowledge, is that if a person has the 
*birthright* to citizenship, they are 
"natural-born." I.e., citizens by right of birth. 
So if his mother is a citizen, if he can 
establish and obtain proof of citizenship, such 
as a passport or other document, simply by 
showing the fact of birth as it was, he's a "natural-born citizen."


3. Then it would probably take one of two things 
to accomplish the nullification of the election. 
The first would be Supreme Court action. Note 
that even if it were found that Obama had been 
ineligible, the Court could easily decide that 
the time to challenge this would have been before 
Congress ratified and accepted the result of the 
election. The other procedure would be through 
impeachment, though being a victim of a 
fraudulent birth certification, unless Obama were 
shown to be complicit, is not a "high crime and 
misdemeanor." Still, Congress could decide.


4. And, if you jump through all these hoops, you 
end up with Biden as President, or whoever is VP 
at the time. You really want to waste your time 
and our time with this? Why? See above. Probably 
"Muslim." I wish. But he's not, not formally. 
Informally, well, I know a Christian apologist, 
very active defending the faith, who happens to 
know what "muslim" means and who says, at least 
privately, "Of course I'm muslim."


I have two children who are citizens by right of 
parentage, but not of birth, because they were 
not born to me and my ex-wife, they were born in 
China and Africa, to non-citizen parents. They 
became citizens, by law, upon entry into the U.S. 
in our custody as adoptive parents. They would 
not be eligible to become President of the U.S., 
under the Constitution as it stands.


However, suppose I travel with my wife, we are 
both citizens, and she unexpectedly gives birth, 
outside the U.S. Or even expectedly. In a country 
which grants citizenship by location of birth. We 
come back to the U.S. Our child will be easily 
admitted, there would be, at most, some 
paperwork. There is no "naturalization" process 
in this case. There is not an action that 
establishes citizenship after the fact of birth.


In the Obama case, *if the birth certificate is 
fraudulent* and Obama was born outside the United 
States, he might still be a "natural-born" U.S. 
citizen if he acquired citizenhip by right of 
birth rather than by naturalization, as would 
appear to be routine under the circumstances of 
Obama's parentage. A smokescreen argument is 
raised about dual citizenship. A natural-born 
citizen may also have the right to citizenship in 
another country, that would not establish a constitutional violation.


A choice made at 21 could not affect whether or

[Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo


Hello group,

Watch this! This is not an official video from NI's Youtube channel:

http://goo.gl/UEuCK


NIWEEK 2012 - LENR - eCAT - Anomalous Heat Effect demonstrated

August 7, 2012 - Austin, Texas - National Instruments "NIWEEK 2012" - Francesco shows me the 
Anomalous Heat Effect from what is believed to be a Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). This is the work of 
the Italian team of Andrea Rossi which I heard about last year, called the eCat (energy catalyzer) at one 
point. This is absolutely fantastic, as the implications of this little understood phenomena are a SEA CHANGE 
to the hope for applications of CLEAN and CHEAP ENERGY. The heat effect is believed to be the same as seen by 
others, such as Fleischmann and Pons in 1989, called "Cold Fusion" at the time. This is REAL folks, 
and (hopefully) it will change the world. National Instruments CEO Dr. James Truchard made this a part of his 
opening Keynote Presentation at the annual conference called "NIWEEK 2012". I am extremely excited 
to see this making progress, and it has the power to change the world as we know it! I will be posting more, 
such as the Panel discussion with Physics !

and Engi
neering luminaries who have witnessed this effect in other situations in the 
past. Read more at http://lenr-canr.org/

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

The gas atoms, instead of fusing or reacting chemically are colliding and
collapsing into a point source due to high energy at the point of collision
and the effect of quantum gravity (which is much larger) at the quantum
level.  This point source, or "black hole" radiates back to the
surroundings the nuclear goo that universes are made of.  The reason
quantum gravity is much stronger at the quantum level is because there are
thought to be about 11 or so dimensions of space all curled up there.  That
"ball lightning" is a quantum singularity(s) evaporating and radiating the
full spectrum of Nuclear Goo which is powerful enough to create new
universes.  Fortunately in this case it evaporates very quickly, primarily
releasing radiation that shows up as heat.

I just hope that the reason we have not found other intelligent life is
that they all got their hands on a quantum singularity engine at some point
and stepped on the throttle too hard...

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Chemical Engineer
>
> > This is not chemistry.  It is high energy particle & quantum physics.  I
> > believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a
> > collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of
> > collision.  To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down
> to
> > quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton
> > and electron.  Once you create the quantum singularity you are then
> playing
> > with a nuclear furnace...
>
> Hi Chem,
>
> I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term "quantum
> singularity". Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least
> point me in the right direction?
>
> PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting
> explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry & topology
> and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such
> perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what
> Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening -
> involving quantum singularities.  In any case, both explanations seem
> to be happening at the quantum level.
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson

From: Chemical Engineer

> This is not chemistry.  It is high energy particle & quantum physics.  I
> believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a
> collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of
> collision.  To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to
> quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton
> and electron.  Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing
> with a nuclear furnace...

Hi Chem,

I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term "quantum
singularity". Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least
point me in the right direction?

PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting
explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry & topology
and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such
perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what
Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening -
involving quantum singularities.  In any case, both explanations seem
to be happening at the quantum level.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

This is not chemistry.  It is high energy particle & quantum physics.  I
believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a
collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of
collision.  To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to
quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton
and electron.  Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing
with a nuclear furnace...

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Addendum:
>
> ** **
>
> The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited
> understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there
> shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than
> ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs.
>
> ** **
>
> What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to
> be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical
> energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics.
>
> ** **
>
> If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying
> videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that
> needs to be taken seriously.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> www.OrionWorks.com
>
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks 
>
> ** **
>

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

Addendum:

 

The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited
understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn't
be any kind of reactive "chemistry" involved, period. other than ionic
excitation such as what we see in neon signs.

 

What the hell is causing what I assume has been "accurately" measured to be
an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical
energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics.

 

If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying
videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that
needs to be taken seriously.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

The device is a high energy gas particle collider creating quantum
singularities (perceived as ball lightning) at the point of the high energy
collisions.  Since Hawking radiation emits the full spectrum of visible
light, that is what they are seeing.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> From: Axil
>
> ** **
>
> > These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews
>
> > to communicate, this makes research difficult.
>
> > I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is
>
> > not switched off and on. 
>
> > 
>
> > J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason.
>
> > He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000
>
> > volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't
>
> > understand how this addition of voltage is figured.
>
>  
>
> I hope Mike Carrell is listening in on this topic. He was an electrical
> engineer during his earlier career. With RCA, I believe.
>
> ** **
>
> I wonder if Mike might be willing to add his own two-cents as to what is
> going on here. ...Perhaps more to the point, whether the amount of
> electrical energy being expended in the discharges, combined with the
> observed amount of mechanical energy displayed, in truth turns out to
> balance the energy equations in such a manner as to result in no actual O/U
> involved.
>
> ** **
>
> I’m neither an electrical engineer nor a mechanical engineer. It's
> fascinating, nevertheless.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> www.OrionWorks.com
>
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

From: Axil

 

> These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews

> to communicate, this makes research difficult.

> I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is

> not switched off and on. 

> 

> J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason.

> He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000

> volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't

> understand how this addition of voltage is figured.

 

I hope Mike Carrell is listening in on this topic. He was an electrical
engineer during his earlier career. With RCA, I believe.

 

I wonder if Mike might be willing to add his own two-cents as to what is
going on here. ...Perhaps more to the point, whether the amount of
electrical energy being expended in the discharges, combined with the
observed amount of mechanical energy displayed, in truth turns out to
balance the energy equations in such a manner as to result in no actual O/U
involved.

 

I'm neither an electrical engineer nor a mechanical engineer. It's
fascinating, nevertheless.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine