Re: [Vo]:How I made money from Cold Fusion
>From Jed: > Interesting! See: > http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19469 > > How I Made Money from Cold Fusion > QUOTES: > Exclusive Article for Free Republic | 1/23/10 | Kevmo > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2435697/posts > > Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:28:49 PM by Kevmo > > Freeper gets a fascinating contract listed on Intrade, bets that the > experiment will be replicated, and cashes in. > > In 2008, Dr. Yoshiaki Arata performed a fascinating experiment with > Deuterium Gas loaded onto a Palladium matrix, and without any input power, > showed that there was some excess heat. . . . Interesting, indeed. I wonder if there are similar contracts out there based on Steorn's controversial ORBO technology. Will the little "spinny thing" make money for someone? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:CNN iReport on BLP
This is kind of interesting. I didn't realize the fact that CNN has a procedure in place to allow for independent reporting. See: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-402579?ref=feeds%2Fhighestrated http://tinyurl.com/ykozv9z Of course you wouldn't immediately pick up on the fact that this is a CNNiREPORT based on the dsn. I love the little horizontal black disclaimer at the top of the article: "NOT VETTED BY CNN" Enjoy! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Bill Gates cheaper energy solution: Recycle nuclear waste
See: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/17/bill.gates.nuclear/index.html?hpt=Sbin http://tinyurl.com/ybcswyg Excerpt: > The Microsoft-founder-turned-philanthropist said at a recent speech in > California that, more than new vaccines for AIDS or malaria or presidential > selection power, what he really wants is clean energy at half its current > cost. > > To do that, he said, we'll need new technology. > > Gates -- a father of the personal computer and quite the tech powerhouse > -- said one of the brightest hopes for clean, cheap power is a new form of > nuclear power plant that reuses waste uranium from existing nuclear > reactors. Needless to say, what Bill proposes is controversial. I'd like to get Steve Jobs interested in an equivalent R&D adventure. I bet Steve would counter BG's recycled power utility vision with something a bit more innovative, like a new Inukeplant where the only external outlet to the device is a series of USB ports. ;-) I'm sure the Vort Collective might have a few opinions of its own as well. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The BLOOM BOX
>From Don W.: > http://www.bloomenergy.com/ > > http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/411/ > > http://green.venturebeat.com/2010/02/19/fuel-cell-maker-bloom-energy-finally-sheds-cloak-of-mystery-this-sunday/ > > Google the following: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > bloom energy fuel cell > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=bloom+energy+fuel+cell&aq=1sx&aqi=g-s1g-sx2g-s1g-sx6&oq=bloomenergy Needless to say rampant blogging, both pro and con, is in full swing in regards to the legitimacy of this new technology. I hope they succeed. Inevitably a few bloggers have already speculated that certain fossil fuel energy companies will try to buy them out so that the technology can be buried - out-of-sight out-of-mind. I find such speculation to be absurd. If anything natural gas companies should be jumping up and down for glee. They will help fund it! The rampant manufacture of bloom boxes spreading across the planet like an unchecked virus is likely to guarantee a bright & secure future for all natural gas companies and their share holders for decades to come. What interests me more is the likelihood that bloom boxes may help usher in a subtle shift in global consciousness as individuals, neighborhood, villages, and countries begin to realize the fact that it is no longer necessary to rely on the construction of centralized (and vulnerable to terrorism) power plants. The planet's consciousness will gradually swing towards a novel concept: That energy self-sufficiency starts in the home, and not at some massive power plant located 300 miles away. Later, as newer and even more exotic AE technologies, such as cold fusion, or BLP finally get their act in gear and start manufacturing their own devices I suspect there will be few BloomBox customers who will bat and eye and trade in their "bloomboxes" for an even better and cleaner (a true CO2 free) technology. I suspect it's likely that most of the developing countries, particularly those with undeveloped centralized power infrastructures in place, are likely to reap tremendous benefits from the "bloombox" - probably far more immediate benefits than most developed nations are likely to feel. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The BLOOM BOX
>From Terry: > http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/411/ > > "I think Bloom Energy is looking to install 100 Kilowatt power units > in everyone's houses. These will be flex-fuel, but likely running > mostly on natural gas. They will also probably produce heat, and > cooling, as well as power, making the devices roughly 85% efficient > (thus generating two times less greenhouse gas emissions than a power > plant per unit of power used.) " > > Not very geeky considering that the mean electric power consumption > for an average house is 1 kW. A 10 kW unit should be adequate. Indeed, I was also under the impression that you only need to produce 50 kw units to power most cars. American households OTOH typically need far less than 100 kw. I was told: Possibly up to 20 - 25 kw for peak performance. If this company actually does start selling 100 kw units in-mass for American household there is obviously the potential to generate a lot of excess electricity that could be fed back into the grid, a kind of collective insurance energy program that benefits the local neighborhood. As Mike Carrell once commented, it would become crucial that any excess electricity destined to be fed back into the grid be synchronized in order to avoid explosive power transmission disasters.I envision a lot of "regulation" will soon be in store for anyone who wishes to generate their own electricity. Soon in the works will be new rules and regulations that everyone must adhere to in order to practice "safe grid" procedures. It's my understanding that at present these 100 kw units cost hundreds of thousands of dollars using current manufacturing techniques.Obviously they plan on reducing current costs significantly within 5 - 10 years. They have even speculated on the possibility of being able to sell 100 kw units for a mere $3000. That's a tall order considering their current price tag. Nevertheless, necessity is the mother of invention, so I gather it's not entirely impossible. IMO, what might be a more lucrative approach would be to manufacture smaller Bloom boxes, boxes a quarter of the current size, where they only generate 25 kw at peak performance. In theory that could mean individual unit costs might be be reduced to around $1000. Very attractive! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OT: Science of motivation
>From Harry: > Career analyst Dan Pink examines the puzzle of motivation, starting > with a fact that social scientists know but most managers don't: > Traditional rewards aren't always as effective as we think. Listen for > illuminating stories -- and maybe, a way forward. > http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_pink_on_motivation.html Thanks Harry, One of many hats I wear at my place of employment involves software development. Dan Pink hit it on the nail. While the concept of "Fed Ex" time might terrify many managers they would do well to let it be. Besides, they can later claim the fruits of "Fed Ex" dabbling as actually having been one of their own novel ideas - and subsequently collect a nice bonus at the end of the year. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Windy Iowa
http://www.wqad.com/news/wqad-study-iowa-wind-production-growing-030310,0,5316702.story http://tinyurl.com/ycc6hu Excerpt: DES MOINES, Iowa - A new study shows wind energy production in Iowa is continuing to grow and now accounts for up to 20 percent of the state's electricity. Steve -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: FW: [Vo]:TIME-MOBIUS AEON replace 'TimeLineariltyAge'
Hello Jack Thanks for toning down the CAPs prose. You seem to be aware of the fact that your writing has a tendency to barrage the reader with a lot of confusing terminology - some of that terminology, I confess, I've never hear of. One needs a Harbach-O'Sullivan glossary in order to understand all the "yadda-yadda" stuff. However, you are aware of your short comings and that makes points in my book. Nobody is perfect! Certainly not me. As Terry has previously commented, I too have a difficult time following the flow of your logic. I hasten to add, however, that my own intellectual predilections tend to gravitate towards mythic interpretations. To compensate, I often try to communicate with my fellow colleagues by following the rules of linear oriented techno-speak in order to stay grounded. I see a lot of personal interpretation of what reality is supposed to be made up of in your prose. My perception of what you're writing strikes me less as scientific theory or hypothesis in the making, and more as modern mythic interpretations of our perceptions of reality, where you use a rich word-salad of technical terminology to couch the mysterious underpinnings of Mother Nature. I hasten to add that writing in the style of modern mythic prose is NOT in itself a bad thing. Far from it. Problems only occur when mythic interpretation (which IMHO are just as valid a perception as scientific interpretations) get confused as being a scientific interpretation. IMHO, we need... our society needs both perceptions in order to evolve. They need each other. BTW, I'm a recovering dyslexic. I constantly battle against inflicting turgid prose amongst my potential readers. Some days... some posts are better than others. You have my sympathies. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:!It's Alive!-TachyonCarrierDATA-SHEET/aka Aexo-TCW-OmniWave
Jack, Occasionally I see concepts expressed in your essays for which my limited cranial capacity has the capacity to follow, more-or-less. For example, in your latest post you mentioned the design of a simple antenna based on a fractal design... presto we end up with cell phone technology with excellent reception without having to attach a six foot long wire snaked down a pant leg. Yes, indeed, who would have figerred that one would'a werked! Over the years I've personally explored a number of celestial mechanical problems by writing computer simulations. Perhaps working at the Space Astronomy Lab at the University of Wisconsin back in the 80s helped spark my interest in the field of astro-physics, but who knows. I was already a sci-fi enthusiast long before I was hired to write computer programs at the Lab. I wrote GSE programs (Ground Support Equipment) primarily in the FORTH programming language for the purpose of analyzing telemetry received from a package that eventually flew in a couple of Space Shuttle missions. (It was called "Project Astro") Let me forward to the present. I have found myself fascinated by the amount of patterns generated out of chaos introduced into the simplest of computer models, like a single satellite (a moon) orbiting a planet. Wolfram (of Mathematica fame) has already written an extensive treatise on similar subjects concerning chaos and fractals. Indeed, there is so much more research that is needed this area. I discovered interesting patterns and characteristics that I would have never perceived, let alone comprehend had I not performed extensive... and I mean EXTENSIVE computer simulations. I didn't limit my simulations to using the classic Newtonian iterative square of the distance law. Besides the classic 1/R**2 algorithms I also tried all sorts of alternative combinations including 1/r, 1/r**3, and constant forces. Each new variation introduced additional surprises and unexpected patterns. Lately, my studies into the celestial mechanics arena may be on the verge of branching into a whole new arena of exploration as I begin pondering how I would go about performing simulations based on positive and negative charges, and by association, magnetic attraction and repulsion principals. I have no idea where this new branch of exploration might eventually lead me, or truth be told, whether I'll have the cranial capacity to design the necessary code. I know it will involve a lot of trigonometry and lots of algorithms utilizing interpolation techniques. If I do succeed in writing reasonably accurate code that will allow me to explore these basic physics principals, I suspect I'll probably in for additional surprises. Lucky me! One thing I have learned in my own personal research, such as in regards to my celestial mechanics work, is that using lots of complex multi-worded omni-techno-terminology didn't help me all that much in my occasional attempts to explain to otheres what it was that I was trying to do. Other than impressing myself - because I could use lots of OMNI-scientific-like terminology, I noticed that the only individual who seemed duly impressed was me. Despite my diatribe deliberately aimed at your expense, I find myself pondering the truly profound ramifications of your last statement: > Bottom line: Your 'pscyo-intuitive' cognizant pattern- > recognition MIND bears much more accepting-as-relevant, > & with full-credence than we have been trained to > recognize. It all 'fits.' DO THE MATH. Get in touch > with your INNER-TESLA Ah... yeah, I think I agree with you on that one. Really! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:OT (sort of): Unique Patent for trolling
"Patent Acquisition and Assertion by a (Non-Inventor) First Party Against a Second Party " See: http://ow.ly/1ghNr Actually, I got the above link from another interesting article: "Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal", which describes how corporate entities both regularly and repeatedly sue each other on the technological acquisition front. With several amusing examples thrown in for good measure. http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ Bon appetit! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:OT (sort of): Why Wikipedia Should Be Trusted As A Breaking News Source
Title: "Why Wikipedia Should Be Trusted As A Breaking News Source" Begins with: "Most any journalism professor, upon mention of Wikipedia, will immediately launch into a rant about how the massively collaborative online encyclopedia can't be trusted. It can, you see, be edited and altered by absolutely anyone at any moment." But how much less trustworthy is the site for breaking news than the plethora of blogs and other online news sources?" ... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/why_wikipedia_should_be_trusted_or_how_to_consume.php http://tinyurl.com/ybq3xbv The commentary concerning how the Mumbai Terror Attacks was interesting: ** "...by the end of the first day of the Wikipedia article's life, it had been edited more than 360 times, by 70 different editors referring to 28 separate sources from news outlets around the web. While this could seem like a situation rife for misdirection and misinformation, the constant discussion swirling around the creation of an article, Pantages explained, is "really similar to what you would think should be in a newsroom." Nonetheless, we still disparage Wikipedia as an untrusted source of news." ** I get the feeling the same mechanisms didn't work as well in regards to the WIKI Cold Fusion article. Apples versus oranges? ...Or are they really the same thing??? But if both really are apples, why did it not work for CF but apparently did work for reporting on the Mumbai Terror Attacks? As always, there is a comments section at the end of the article where you can add your two cents. Mr. Lomax, try to keep your comments down to a page length! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:add on: OU demonstrated ( with no secrets)
The demonstration is interesting. However, Mr. Lawrence's aversion to the accuracy of events allegedly being depicted are equally justified – especially when there just happens to be nearby a "big power supply". As the old saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..." I asked Mongo what he thought of the configuration. Of course... "Light bulb!" The demonstration and the demonstrator are certainly giving me the impression that more energy is being generated as output than what is being fed into the configuration. Well then... enuf to get rid of the frackin 12 volt battery, as Mr. Lawrence has already made clear??? Close the loop. ...or what are the excuses this time as to why closing the loop is not possible. For now, wishing for the best outcome, but not holding my breath. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Transporter Malfunction
Robin sez: > ...I would have guessed "transporter function", with the true inhabitants > replaced by clones/dummies at the critical instant. > The real occupants must have been important to ET, or maybe they were ET's > that > had occupied important positions here on Earth, but their tour of duty was up, > and they were due to go home, so a convenient accident was staged to explain > why > they didn't turn up for work the next day. > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html Robin's speculations are not all that far off from what actually happened. According to my sources, they were recalled because of failing to show up at their own hearing for... well... the most accurate translation that would make sense to us earthlings would be: A large number of overdue library books. It's my speculation that someone with extra pull eventually got pissed off that a particular "book" he had reserved had not been returned in a timely manner. So... to the rest of you visitors... be sure to return your "books" in a timely manner. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Request for "fusion" definition
A question for the Vort Collective: Does the use of the term "Fusion" HAVE to imply there must exist a mechanism or process that directly overcomes the Coulomb barrier - by brute force? Could "fusion" also be used to explain a mechanism or process, a process that is not yet understood and as such is still being debated, processes that seem to ignore and/or completely side-step the dreaded Coulomb Barrier issue? I could be wrong on this point (and please correct me if I am) but I've gotten the impression that many if not most scientists believe "fusion" MUST involve a mechanism that DIRECTLY overcomes the dreaded Coulomb barrier. I'm under the impression that to come up with any other explanation or theory that attempts to introduce a mechanism that finesses its way around the dreaded CB would NOT be considered a legitimate theory. Just curious. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Request for "fusion" definition
>From Alexander: > I was under the impression that nuclear fusion means any process that > fuses the nuclei of two or more atoms. ... That may indeed be the impression that many hold. It is, in fact, the impression I hold as well. Nevertheless, I'm also under the impression that many may NOT adhere to such an impression. For them any "fusion" theory, in order to be taken seriously, must explain how it directly overcomes the Coulomb barrier. Granted, I admit the distinct possibility that we are in danger of descending down the slipper slope of semantics! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Request for "fusion" definition
>From Alexander: > okay, this isnt a definition of Fusion youre looking for, > but a theory of how fusion works? I'm not looking for a specific theory of how fusion works. My original question was more in tune with what might be considered a sociological query: What does the term "fusion" define? Who owns the rights to use the term "fusion" within their theories? What specific ingredients must be present that will allow any theory safe-passage to commandeer the term "fusion" within its definition. I've wondered if in order for any and all "fusion" theories to be considered legitimate they must somehow show how they directly overcome the Coulomb barrier, such as by forcing their way past the Coulomb Barrier and into the nucleus of the atom via brute force, such as by thermonuclear fusion. But could the term "fusion" also be commandeered to explain other theoretical mechanisms? For example the utilization of Muons that Mr. Lomax mentioned. Muonic atoms are significantly smaller atomic species, and as such, make it theoretically possible to slip past the Coulomb Barrier because they remain neutrally charged during their brief life spans. I gather Mr. Lomax seems to think so. Seems like reasonable conjecture to me as well. I would imagine others might think muons, and/or possibly hydrinos (if they do exist) might be possible mechanisms as well. > Two different things my friend. Indeed they are two different things. BTW, I see Mr. Lomax has followed up with a detailed explanation pertaining to various theories involving "fusion". Thanks Abd. Much appreciated. I see Horace added a few thoughtful perceptions on the matter as well. Thanks Horace. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Request for "fusion" definition
Useful comments, Jed, The intent of my original query was to ask if there exists any kind of a perceived battle or struggle going on (subtle or not-so-subtle) pertaining to whether the use of the term, nuclear "fusion", must imply a mechanism of overcoming the Coulomb barrier by some brute force procedure such as thermonuclear fusion. I'm trying to make get a clarification on whether the nuclear "fusion" definition could also legitimately incorporate other theoretical mechanisms, including as-yet unproven mechanisms. For example, there has been fertile debate about muonic interactions, as well as hydrinos being possibly responsible for certain LENR related phenomenon. Or does there exist significant resistance coming from somewhere, possibly coming from conservative scientific branches, that would prefer not to muddy up the so-called nuclear "fusion" waters by allowing alternative or exotic explanations other than mechanisms that must be capable of smashing through the Coulomb barrier. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Krivit again uses annoying trick
>From Abd: ... > If the value turns out to be 48 MeV instead of 24, I'm > not offended at all. But I'll wonder what other products > there are in sufficient quantities to explain that. In > fact, if it's lower than 24, I'm not offended, it would > simply indicate other reactions besides those which > turn deuterium into helium are involved. There is no > law that says every reaction in a CF cell must be one > particular form. (And it's highly unlikely that there > are *no* other reactions at all, but it's looking like > they are relatively rare, by comparison.) Would you care to give your best guestamate (don't worry, I won't hold you to it) on how much is theorized to be due to d+d = He+24 MeV, and how much might be due to other processes? Incidentally, to the rest of the Vort Collective, please feel free to add your own speculations as to what these ratios or percentages might possibly be. I'm only asking for reasonable speculation. IOW, speculation is just that: Speculation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Request for "fusion" definition
Jed sez: ... > By rights our nation should be the proud inheritor of British > culture, U.S. technology and French cooking. Somehow we ended > up with British cooking, U.S. culture, and French technology. Quit bashing the French! We envy their Nuclear utility technology! >8-0 Canadians... well... Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi interview on Ca$h Flow: “I translate pressure as responsibility.”
>From Dave: > I agree with your assessment. Products such as the ECAT will not be > sold over the counter in Home Depot. Right now you can not buy heat > pumps there as the government requires certified installers due to the > dangers involved. There are few customers capable of making the > connections required to operate an ECAT, and I am confident that an > experienced HVAC company will be necessary. Perhaps a more likely scenario (being negotiated between Rossi and HD) would be to use Rossi's eCats to heat the Home Depot stores. IOW, NOT to sell eCats to customers. Those outlet stores are huge warehouses. I can only imagine what their heating bills must be like in the middle of a Mid-Western winter. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
>From Francis >Big oil has no way to plug all these > little holes and is probably rethinking their future investment schemes to > “join” rather than “beat” LENR and will probably find some way to purchase > and meter this new resource. It seems to me that a perfectly legitimate business many fossil fuel industries ought to seriously consider would be to "retool" into something equivalent to an eCat (or whatever "eCats" evolve into) service provider. It would be no different than having a furnace and central A/C installed in one's home. After one of these energy units was installed, I'd want a 24 hour guaranteed service protection plan in place to make sure someone would be out to my home in less than an hour to fix any anomalies. If they can't fix it, replace it. No questions asked. All part of the plan. The plan would also include routine maintenance and the replacement of parts and spent reactor cores. I'd seriously consider paying 20 - 40 bucks a month for peace of mind, especially if that becomes my combined monthly heating & electric bill. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:2500 R ( $ 41 USA ) for Aakash Ubislate 7 with 7 inch (18 cm) tablet computer by Datawind: Yeshi Choedon: Rich Murray 2012.01.04
Hi Rick, I wondered if my terse, snippy little remark might get a counter response. Thanks for clarifying you thoughts on the matter. Just so you know, I think you do good work, despite my occasional philosophical disagreements I have with some of your opinions and perceptions. To disagree is just a facet life. The initial point I was trying to make is that I'm constantly being barraged with SPAM informing me of the fact that I can get an iPad (or some other hi-tec product) really cheap if I just click on the following link. Most of this stuff is just plain SPAM aka B&LLSH#T! Regardless of whether my original analysis was accurate or not, what you posted initially looked to me like you had done nothing more than perform a cut & past of a SPAM message, and then you posted it on vortex-l. I suspect I wouldn't have retaliated if you had simply added something personal at the beginning, something personally written for which I knew came directly from you (your own fingertips), something to the effect that you discovered what appears to be a very innovative business effort to get technology into the needy hands of the developing world. I think this is a very good idea. Adding something personal would have at least alerted me to the effect that what comes next is something important to you and that you wanted to share it within the Vort Collective. Just a suggestion. I'm sure I will have more conflicts with you in our future! ;-) PS: In our building we have a Tibetan refugee who works down in the scanning department. His grasp of English is slowly getting better. He is in charge of running and operating several $20,000 high volume scanners. He's pretty good at it. He's a cool, philosophical dude. I've enjoyed talking to him about some of his childhood adventures, traveling across the mountains as a small child, escaping from Tibet into India. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Terry sez: > BTW, MY should be awake and online soon. > It will be interesting to see what she has to say. My only contact with MY these days is through indirect exposure. There has been a lot of that lately. Robert's Google search was informative. It ought to put to rest imaginative scenarios concerning the MY persona. My own impression of MY's posting activity is one that I suspect most here have already come to: "she" is in it primarily for the unique kind of exposure and notoriety it gives "her" out on the Internet. It's just one of the activities some of us do to prove to ourselves that we actually amount to something in a universe we unconsciously fear would just assume ignore our existence. To constantly express & post disagreeable opinions is a way to point to the "self" and say "See, I DO exist... and I'm unique!" It's a way to be noticed. Alas, there are obvious problems with such behavior if taken to an extreme. For example, becoming banned could be perceived as a badge of honor - a kind of consolation prize. (However, least I sound too uppety,I guess I could say that me resigning from Krivits' NET BoD was in a sense being banned as well... so go figger!) But let me get back to my spiel. If in subsequent years Rossi eCats actually DO start rolling off the shelves of stores like Home Depot I suspect MY will soon start searching around for another group (preferably linked to a controversial subject) so that she can continue to prove to an indifferent world that she actually does exist. I suspect "grasshopper" MY will probably not take the following advice in an agreeable fashion: Zen masters realize "self" doesn't exist, so stop constantly trying to prove to an indifferent universe that it does. It is a futile gesture that ultimately fails. I suspect a number of Zen masters would simply shrug their shoulders and say there are far more enjoyable things to do with consciousness as compared to constantly wearing a chip "self's" shoulder. Regards Swami OrionWorks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Thanks, Jones. I read the paragraph. I'm not surprised read that the paper states "...The global stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the corresponding stellar gravity..." More on that later. Meanwhile, yes, I am basically aware of Mills' explanation of the corona, having something to do with the manufacture of hydrinos, as atomic hydrogen transform into hydrinos due to chance encounters with helium. Mills claims such chance encounters explains why the corona is exceedingly hotter than the surface of the sun. I gather that at present there is no satisfactory mainstream theoretical explanation as to why the corona is as hot as it has been measured to be. Therefore, Mills' audacious CQM explanation remains tantalizing to the eyes of many. Regardless of whether CQM is correct or not, the theory certainly deserves further study. However, the conundrum I'm trying to acquire a better understanding about is whether there exists a distinct electrical charge associated withIN the sun. And if one exists, is it positive or negative? I assume there probably exists an aggregate positive charge within the interior of the sun. Where I'm going with this line of questioning is trying to achieve a better grasp of the balance act between the attractive forces of gravity versus the much stronger repulsive force of like-charged particles (particularly protons). It would seem logical for me to assume that since we know that on a particle-by-particle basis gravitational forces are magnitudes weaker than electrically charged attractive/repulsive forces the aggregate internal electrical charge within the sun must therefore be fairly close to neutral - on average, that is. Otherwise, it would seem to me that the accumulated repulsive forces attributed to all those unpaired protons (with no associated electron charge to even the score) would cause our sun to rip apart violently. Did I miss something fundamentally wrong in my analysis? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Addendum: Let me add that my understanding of gravitation forces is based on applying Newton's famous square of the distance formula. But does the same square of the distance law govern the measured forces of charged particles as well? I was assuming that was indeed the case. But I could be dead wrong! I seem to dimly recall reading somewhere (and I don't know where!!!) that the forces of electrically charged particles have been measured to be to the third or fourth power. If that is the case then my prior analysis should be completely discarded. I bet Mr. Heffner or Mr. Lawrence probably know the answer to my query. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Jones sez: >> I'm not surprised read that the paper states "...The global >> stellar electrostatic field is 918 times stronger than the >> corresponding stellar gravity..." More on that later. > ... Oh… you mean that 918 turns out to be half of a particular > value that makes it seem to be rather non-coincidental? > >… we're not talking magic cubes here … or maybe we are ... and a back. I don't possess sufficient fizzix-speak in my brain to comprehend why it might be interesting that the value 918 is basically half the mass-ratio as measured between protons and electrons. However, I am smart enuf to at least make a note of the peculiarity. (Protons have been measured to be essentially 1,836 times more massive than electrons.) I'm still wondering about whether attractive forces as measured between charged particles is either to the cube or to the fourth power in relation to the distance. Initially, I thought it might be the same as gravity, the square of the distance. I suspect my initial assumption might be wrong. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Jones sez: > Reminds me of a concise and short post written a few years ago ... > > http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg00349.html Ah yes, a classic Jones essay, vintage 2004. I enjoyed reading it... again? Kind of like statisticians hunt'in for wild hairs. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
>From David: > Attractive forces between two charges is related to 1/r^2 or the second > order. Hmmm. Then the sauce is getting thicker for me. ;-) > A dipole type structure has a different law, but that is not what > you seem to be talking about. Regarding dipoles, According to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole "... The dipole term is the dominant one at large distances: Its field falls off in proportion to 1/r3, [3rd power] as compared to 1/r4 [fourth power] for the next (quadrupole) term and higher powers of 1/r for higher terms, or 1/r2 for the monopole term." I don't entirely grok this. Complicating matters, there are different flavors of dipoles - for example, charged dipoles and magnetic dipoles. In the past I've done some finite element method magnetic simulations of magnetic configurations. Interesting stuff. > I suspect that you will need to include the charges that are surrounding the > star but not inside if you are to see how the force behaves at a large > distance. Agreed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Harry sez: > The ratio is not exactly 1836. I realize that Harry. I got the "1836" number from the same Wiki article. I rounded the measured value to an integer for expediency. Nothing more. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
>From Harry: > The ratio is also dimensionless but the ratio of the strength of the > sun's electrostatic field to its gravitational field is not > dimensionless. Can you clarify what is implied when using the term "dimension" and "dimensionless" here. It doesn't compute for me. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Transportation energy
>From Jed: ... > Think of all the real estate that will be opened up as gas > stations are abandoned. They are ugly. Good riddance to them. > It is a shame all those people will lose their jobs. It seems to me that even in the best case scenario it is not likely that our nation would be motivated (economically and/or politically speaking) to start digging up all of these service station gas tanks - not for quite a while. I'd estimate it is likely to take more than 15 - 20 years from now before such a program might be implemented. Probably a lot more. 25 - 30 years from now would be my best guestamate. Would you disagree? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Ok... Mark, Terry. thanks. I'm going have to think about this for a spell since there seem to be different interpretations. Semantics can be quite disconcerting to a dyslexic. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
Terry sez: > Think of it this way: a proton might be composed of 1836 electrons. > > Add one more and you have a neutron! Yup. Got that part. Knew that recipe eons ago. Still, I suspect semantics is still getting in the way of what I'm trying to describe. In a nutshell, I'm wondering if the aggregate electrical repulsive charge of gillions of unpaired protons within the sun would be sufficient to overcome the significant weaker forces of gravity. Obviously, that ain't happening cuz the sun still shines. What puzzles me is that if there does exist far more protons (with + charge) than electrons (with - charge) within the sun [leave the effects of the corona out for now] then I don't quite understand why the accumulative repulsive effect of all those orphaned protons don't literally rip the sun apart. Maybe there are still enough electrons residing within the sun to keep all of the loose proton's, and their repulsive actions in check. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
>From Mauro: > I was just thinking about that. I think that the > total number of expelled protons must be greater > than the number of electrons, to effectively establish > an overall electric current with the surroundings, > which tries to compensate for the charge disbalance. ... If something like that is happening within the sun it seems to me that this results in a charge imbalance. Regardless of whether the charge imbalance is positive or negative it seems to me that the aggregate electrostatic force could counter the weaker gravity forces. It puzzles me that a speculated imbalance of electrostatic forces doesn't end up counteracting the weaker gravity forces and cause our sun to rip itself apart. Of course, for selfish reasons, I'm glad such an Armageddon doesn't happen! In any case, it suggests to me that any electrostatic charge imbalance that may exist within the sun must not be significant enough to counteract the weaker gravity forces. Perhaps sun spots and corona discharges ARE examples of electrostatic charge imbalances attempting to re-balance the surrounding area by "exploding" away. Maybe electrostatic imbalances DO happen, but fortunately for us, on a less disastrous scale as far as we earthlings are concerned. Of course, there is also the distinct possibility that something else is going on here... something that I haven't taken into account. I suspect that's most likely the case. I don't claim to be a fizzix exp'prt. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Storms on the "Space Show"
> See: > > http://www.thespaceshow.com/detail.asp?q=1685 Thank Jed, Just finished listening to "The Space Show" an interview with Dr. Storms. The segment with skeptic Charles Pooley was perhaps the most entertaining part of the show for me. The ensuing interaction between the host (Dr. David Livingston), Storms, and Pooley really drove home to me how fundamentally oriented a professed scientific-based belief can unfortunately become at times. I think Pooley would need the services of a professional deprogrammer to help get him get to that uncomfortable place in his psyche where he might be willing to consider thinking outside of the box. Storms did the best he could by urging Pooley to review the information at Lenr.org. (Lenr-canr.org). Based on what I heard being expressed our of Pooley mouth, a mouth which by the way was constantly interrupting Dr. Storms to the point that the host had to several times tell him to shut up and just listen to what Storms had to say, I suspect there will be nothing... nada... zilch... that could possible result in even the slightest dent in this skeptic's heavily fortified belief structure. On other matters, I'm curious what Jed might have to say about Storms assessment of how CF technology would likely be implemented within the United States. It is Dr. Storms' assessment that energy costs, at least for the common man, might actually go up, temporarily, as we make what might be a costly transition from traditional energy sources over to CF. According to Storms, he envisions the likelihood of a lengthy "transition" phase, a phase that traditional energy provides will do their best to stretch out for as long as possible before CF eventually overwhelms the industry. Part of the stretching out phase would deliberately be allowed by the government in order to give traditional energy providers enough time to make the transition. I gather Storms was assuming many of these industrial would attempt to adapt or retool in some viable manner. However, according to what I believe Jed has had to say on the subject, I gather Jed remains highly skeptical that most traditional energy providers would be capable of making the transition. Or am I wrong on that? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:What is the aggregate electrical charge of our sun?
>From Mauro, ... > I think the problem is with the "electrostatic" idea... > if there are electric currents, then there isn't an > electrostatic situation. There's nothing static in a > system like the Sun and the Solar System. Ah! THAT's what I missed in my prior speculation. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. The sun, which is obviously generating DYNAMIC electrical currents & associated fields is probably the reason why electrSTATIC forces do not appear to be an issue. Good! I now feel secure in the knowledge that the sun is not going to blow up due to an imbalance of static charges! ...Of course, specifications are subject to change over the millennium. [I read that in the fine print] ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Recent advances in thermoelectrics...
From: Mark: First, a few excerpts from the article found here: http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-quick-cooking-nanomaterials-microwave-tomorrow-air.html > "It's really amazing as to how nanostructures seasoned > with just a few atoms of sulfur can lead to such superior > thermoelectric properties of the bulk material made from > the nanostructures, and allows us to reap the benefits > of nanostructuring on a macroscale," Ramanath said. Interesting article, Mark. I would assume that from an engineering POV this kind of technology could eventually be reversed in order to generate electricity. Perhaps even in an efficient manner as well. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:UNSUBSRIBE
>From Dusty: > Unsubscribe > unsubscribe > unsubscribe... > > I've tried 4 times to get off this mailing list. Others have already offered good suggestions. I'll add two more. 1. You do realize that the word "subscribe" as placed out in the subject line was incorrectly spelled. As a card carrying dyslexic myself, this is typically my cruse. ;-) 2. It is possible that, unbeknownst to you, you are using more than one email address, specifically an alias email address? This was a problem I ran into years ago. My external email "s...@orionworks.com" was actually associated with a different email address, Charter.net. It's possible this could also confuse the vortex list server when attempting to unsubscribe using one email address - when in truth the vortex-l server is expected to see another address. I seem to recall that I needed the assistance of Mr. Beaty to get the matter straightened out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff
I'm not 100% sure of this but it is my understanding Mr.Krivit isn't a member of CMNS. The implication is that someone (or several individuals) who are CMNS members privately feed Krivit CMNS information. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
>From AG: > Jed, > > This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a > word of what he says anymore? > > He did not ship the plant. > > The plant is not in test by anybody. > > There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. > > The plant is not operational. > > There is no circulation system or heat exchanger load. > > Is there really a customer who will paid $2 million and are OK to have the > plant still not delivered or working or hooked to a test system? > > Is there really a US factory? > > Is there really a order for 12 more E-Cat plants? > > Is there really another 1 MW customer? > > Is there really a 10 kW home E-Cat that will retail for $500 and can be > refilled for $10 by a home owner in the winter of 2012? > > Every statement Rossi has made is now in question. > > If he doesn't do a public test, REAL SOON, he and the E-Cat are dead. There is a psychological term for what is happening here. It's called catastrophysizing. See "What is Catastrophizing?": http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/what-is-catastrophizing/ Chill out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi often says things he does not mean
>From John Milstone > How fortunate that you [Jed] appear to be the only person who isn't > being bamboozled by Rossi. Just out of curiosity, have you had any correspondence with Mr. Rossi going back for for several years, as Mr. Rothwell presumably has had? What do you base your conclusion on? Your own personal correspondence with Rossi? Rossi's behavior reminds me of the psychological predilections of a well known UFO Investigator I have known for years. When it comes to UFO investigation facts, I have little reason to doubt most of what this investigator has to say - what his team has uncovered. (I suspect that in the near future we will be hearing published reports about the properties of certain metal samples that have been recovered from the Roswell crash site, the fruits of several archeological digs. It's my understanding that preliminary laboratory test performed on some of these samples have revealed very unusual properties. But more on that later.) OTOH, when it comes to personal interactions with various people I have learned to place a filter in front of our conversations. I still count him as an old friend of mine. It is best to learn how to work around each others "flaws", cuz we all have them. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi often says things he does not mean
... > ... I'm sending them to > "vortex-l@eskimo.com". Is that not correct? Hi John, The same thing is happening to me, as with Jed. When I hit the reply button, to reply to one of your vortex-l posts, I don't get the vortex-l address. I get your personal email address. There must be a setting somewhere that needs fixing at your end. Check your "reply to" setting. Anybody else got any suggestions? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Lewan Mats says he never thought the reactor shipped
Jed sez: ... > AG is worried that this will hurt Rossi's credibility. I am not worried > about that, because Rossi has no credibility. McKubre thinks he does things > intentionally to hurt his own credibility. I wouldn't put it past him. If I had a highly controversial "free energy" device that I wanted to market which didn't yet have adequate patent protection I would not in be too much of a hurry to draw undue attention to the legitimacy of who I am, or what I potentially represent, or of my invention. In order to keep my "anonymity" an occasional piece of disinformation strategically placed out on the Internet here and there would probably go a long way in keeping most of those potential competitors reasonably satisfied that I was nothing more than a scam artist. Not to bother. In the meantime, I'd focus on two objectives: 1. Double my efforts to secure adequate patent protection. 2. As discretely as possible secure as many business contracts with a select group of customers as possible. Most of these businesses would probably prefer anonymity at this stage of the game as well since going public would also alert unwanted competition. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:lanr.org
>From Andre: ... > They just reacted on ecatnews.com: > > We are in a very early stage don’t get too optimistic. Please don’t bother > the domain owner, we will publish proper contact info on the site when we > make progress with our experiments. > > Not much to be expected soon, then. Indeed. Don't call us. We'll call you. I guess I could find some encouragement in the fact that situations like the above web site are beginning to announce their presence to an apathetic world. However, the website could just as easily be another setup under the direction of a team of opportunistic scammers preparing to take advantage of the desperate looking for ways to cut down on their energy bills. There certainly seems to have been plenty of scammery on-to-loose lately, such as the true identity of "Aussie" being brought into question. As long as "Aussie" refuses to divulge his true identity he remains powerless to affect recent claims attributing his identity to the name of Greg Watson. Under the circumstances I would suggest that "Aussi" either come clean... or start looking into another line of work. And so, in the meantime, we wait for lanr.org & lanr.com to come clean with us... or not. Let us hope we possess the wisdom to know the difference. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination
Rick, Thanks for your commentary. BTW, you recently stated: > ... I have been repeatedly denigrated as a "pathological skeptic" > -- despite a proven track record of submitting detailed, evidence and > reason based, critiques of CF claims since December, 1996, when I > evolved from being a naive enthusiast to pragmatic skeptic -- I notice you often describe yourself as: pragmatic. Hardly! IMHO, you're still a hard core idealist. That's OK! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion is open for testing as from now
Has anyone stepped up yet, and is preparing to perform independent testing? I assume there HAS to be interest in this subject. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Best Chance
>From Jones: > There are some that still believe Ni-H is thermonuclear and in fact, Pd-D > could be. In fact W-L theory tries hard not to be forced into making that > decision, and has QM features - but if the defining detail of that theory > involves neutrons, neutron capture - and subsequent weak-force reactions, > just as are seen in traditional physics – then it is a thermonuclear theory. But at least nobody is using the "F" word. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:New here-- some general statements
Very few of us are destined to make a colossal financial killing in the world, particularly on the order of raking in billions of Dollars/Euros. It remains to be seen whether Rossi's name will be added to that rarified list. If Rossi does eventually succeed I would speculate that the history books will say his triumph was due to an innate sense of intuition which he exploited at every opportunity while building a global industrial empire. By focusing on mass producing his energy catalyzers (I agree with Jed, that mass-production is a major key to financial success) Rossi ends up marginalizing pretty much all of his competition. However, as we all know, glowing historical "reviews" of this nature is definitely dividing the bear before it has been killed. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:LEAD shielding - a dual purpose?
Good comments from everyone. >From Axel: > In the context of the new high temperature NiH reactor > designs, lead will melt at a lower temperature (327C) > as compared to the temperature of the high temperature > coolant (349C), therefore the theory of heat production > in lead is untenable. I agree. I already knew that lead has a much lower melting temperature. That factor alone bothered me. Needless to say, my "theory" needs to be tweaked. ;-) >From Alain: > from what I've read here, the gamma seems to appear > when the reactor is not in normal mode... > starting or stopping... > maybe is it that the reaction change in unstable > situation, and stops quickly, or evolve to heating > only mode... What kind of radiation is emitted from Rossi's eCats remains a frustrating trade-secret. It's obvious that Rossi has been deliberately deceptive on the matter. At present we don't really know for sure whether Rossi's eCats emit harmful radiation, particularly in the gamma range, or not. Rossi sez something to the effect that his eCat's don't produce (much) harmful radiation, but then he uses lead shielding, implying that some kind of harmful radiation must be produced. However, insofar as the public record on the matter goes, all attempts to record just the slightest hint of radiation appears to have failed. So, do the eCats really produce radiation, or is the pretense of generated "radiation" just another cover story Rossi is using to muddy the waters? Maybe the burst of gamma recorded back last January was just a glitch in the recording device. We just don't know. My "theory" is based on a premise that some kind of radiation (perhaps even harmful radiation) is produced from the eCats, and that some kind of protective external shielding (metal, and/or lead) of a thickness is capable of capturing the radiation and transforming (stepping it down) it into thermal heat. At this juncture I'm long on a premise but extremely short on a plausible theory that would explain such a mechanism. ;-) >From Nigel: > The 'fact' that the gamma only appears as a burst > during startup is one peice of 'evidence' that I think > suggests that the mechanism relies on a coherent state > within the nickel, probably an optical vibrational mode > within the lattice. Interesting insight. The he premise is worth exploring. > Once it is at a sufficient amplitide, it's existence > might stimulate the excited nuclei to emit their excess > energy after an LENR event has occurred into the mode > using the principle of a PHASER, rather than emit > it as gamma radiation (Like a LASER, but with phonons > not photons. Both are bosons). While the modes are > establishing themselves the excess energy still has a > significant probability of being emitted as gamma > radiation. > > Once established, the excess energy has a route to > thermal energy within the nickel, not the lead, which > does not involve gamma. Can you elaborate a little more as to what kind of gamma radiation could be produced? Perhaps more to the point, how much potential gamma radiation would we have to worry about (and subsequently have shield ourselves from) before the excess energy has a direct route to thermal energy? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:LEAD shielding - a dual purpose?
>From Alian: > note that for defkalion, > gamma measures is not a secret > http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5615#p5615 I read the thread. The only commentary from DGT is: No, there is not any such limitation Thank you ??? Ooooh-Kay... What does that mean? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Terry sez: > OMG! The quantum coupled coherence is propagating in the Force and > threatens to shred the very fabric of space! If it reaches the large > hadron collider . . . > > ". . . overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out." Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rama Found?
>From Terry: > http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/28/world/europe/swedish-shipwreck-hunters/index.html I've been more-or-less following this event when it first came out. I hope they get the funding they need in order to take a closer look. Obviously, it's fun to speculate on what this very odd shape might turn out to be. It's fun to entertain the possibility that it came from outer space. Nevertheless, Occam's razor would suggest (at least to me) that this is probably just a large object that accidentally fell off the deck of a ship, perhaps in the middle of gale force winds. Perhaps it will turn out to be something as mundane as a lost crab ring that got dragged across the ocean floor. ...A very LARGE crab ring. ...or not. ;-) Chewy! That's the last time I'll let you park the Falcon using the automatic setting! Arrr-arrr rreeuug rumpg! Ok, ok. It was a mistake anyone could have made. Don't choke on a hair ball! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rama Found?
>From Terry, > Probably not the MF; but, this one: > > "Using side-scan sonar, the team found a 60-meter diameter > cylinder-shaped object, with a rigid tail 400 meters long." > > We have not seen the image. A cylinder 18 stories high by four > football fields long? I know it's not Rama; but, that's one huge fuel > tank! Yeah, I'd sure like to know what they mean by the phrase: "... with a rigid tail 400 meters long." At present I'm inclined to speculate that the "tail" they are referring to is actually just the skid marks that were detected at the bottom of the floor, adjacent to the cylinder-shaped object. IOW, the "tail" isn't something that could be considered solid, like the 60-meter diameter circle clearly visible in the radar image. Boy! What if it eventually does turn out to be a 400 by 60 meter long "cylinder"? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Mr. Krivit continues to advocate for the W-L camp
>From Alan: > McKubre's response at > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/20111210McKubreResponse.shtml ... McKubre states: > People sometimes question the value a "traditional" scientific > education but this case highlights one of its clear benefits. Poor > Steve simply does not know what he does not know. ... > Interpretation of data without access to the lab notebooks and > detailed knowledge of the procedures actually employed, is worse > than fruitless, as this case demonstrates. McKubre's commentary was extracted from the private CMNS list group. It's my understanding Mr. Krivit is not a CMNS member. Therefore, someone must be feeding CMNS info to him. Once again Krivt appears to have posted private information not meant for public consumption. However, based on past experience, I'm sure McKubre suspected that Mr. Krivit would somehow acquire the details of his "private" response. The fact that Mr. Krivit proceeded to quickly defend his M4 actions suggests to me that he is concerned about his perceived reputation. I suspect McKubre knows this as well. In Mr. Krivt's rebuttal, he begins with: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/20111221ToWhomItMayConcern.shtml > To whom it may concern: > > In 2010, I conducted an investigation of the EPRI-funded SRI International > experiment "M4," performed by Michael McKubre and staff in 1994, and > I published my findings. I also provided them to the federal intelligence > community. To "... the federal intelligence community!" Wow! Mr. Krivit really did that? ...as if to insinuate the seriousness of McKubre's alleged M4 transgressions. Be that as it may, I'm under the impression that McKubre, for the most part, really doesn't give a crap how Mr. Krivit has chosen to interpret his M4 work. The laundry will eventually sort itself out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home
Jones, Interesting SA article. I seem to recall scholar/archeologist Zecharia Sitchin speculating on the premise that the Sumerian civilization was influenced by an amphibian race of beings. Sitchin was a prolific author. He rote numerous scholarly books on his ET hypothesis. I haven't read any of them, so I dunno. I'm more inclined to think of the film "The Abyss" by James Cameron as a reasonable example of a highly intelligent and technologically advanced aquatic species who might chose to visit our world. Talk about the manipulation of water! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home
Daniel sez: > Well, he [Sitchi] was busted when dictionaries of sumerian > were made widely available, including online. It seems he > overused creative translation. But, who knows... It's all a matter of interpretation, isn't it! ;-) You say to-may-toe, I say to-mau-toe. Too bad we can't ask the Sumerians. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home
Jones, As a recovering dyslexic, it can be a challenge unpacking your memes, especially when you're transmitting at IPv6 and I'm still chugging along at IPv4. I seem to recall that we have had similar discussions on the so-called merits of "aliens" physically visiting our planet, versus a less-risky virtual way. First things first. I find little fault in your analysis, even if might disagree around the edges. You may recall about a year or two ago I posted several lengthy subject threads pertaining to my own personal assessment of what our society calls the "abduction phenomenon" or the "Experiencer" Paradigm. I recall quite a bit of discussion was generated amongst the Collective, and that was a good thing! The only reasons I can think of as to why aliens would need to visit us physically would be for physically tangible reason, like: * To extract natural resources... "We still have plenty of coal, gas, and oil." Yeah, right! ;-) * To claim our planet as their own. "You had fifty years to file a complaint with the hyper space hiway commission, so what are you complaining about!" * Vacation. See the universe! "Have you had your Tetanus, bird-flu, and small pox shots?" * Perhaps a more realistic scenario might be the need to secure physical samples of our environment for scientific purposes. That would include genetic sampling. "Newt needs to be probed and then neutered for the future welfare of the planet." Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Daily News
Rossi watching can be fun. Ya just don't know what he is going to say next. Thanks for indulging us, Alan! Much appreciated. :-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Concerning Rossi's attempts to achieve adequate Patent Protection
PESN had the following to say concerning the latest info on Rossi's attempt to get adequate patent protection: http://pesn.com/2012/02/02/9602025_E-Cat_Weekly_February2/ * * Patents - On January 17, 2012, T.O. wrote: "I have a very good friend, that is high ranking, in the patent office and he said he would check where the application is in the process." - On January 31, 2012, T.O. wrote: "I found out today that the E-Cat patent is through the security section and now is in a cue to be assigned to a Patent Examiner. My friend thought that at current workflow that it should be done by the end of the year. Of course things could change. He could not say if it would be approved or denied." When this was forwarded to Andrea Rossi on Feb. 2, he responded: Dear Sterling, we know. Warm Regards, A. * I assume Rossi is referring to his attempts to get adequate USA patent protection. At first glance what Rossi seems to be saying here does not strike me as terribly encouraging news. It's sounds so iffy to me. What would stop the USPO from denying Rossi's patent application as just another one of those infernal CF contraptions for which patent researchers were presumably told to discard? Or worse, what's to stop them from simply placing Rossi's application on-hold, perhaps because a new memo just came down the pipeline instructing that all new "CF" related applications be placed in a special folder where someone higher up in the food chain will deal with the matter - later. Much later. Comments? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Concerning Rossi's attempts to achieve adequate Patent Protection
Terry sez: > INAL = me no lawyer. I meant IANAL but, geeze, I'm not anally retentive > either. When I first saw "INAL" I immediately went to an online acronym finder to decipher what Terry was saying cuz I really didn't have a clue. See: http://www.acronymfinder.com/INAL.html "INAL" stands for "I'm not a lawyer" Rest assured, Terry. You were never INAL retentive on this particular topic. I'm not so sure about other topics however! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Concerning Rossi's attempts to achieve adequate Patent Protection
PS: "INAL" could also stand for "I need a life". Try substituting that for interpreting what Terry really meant to say Just trying to give Terry a hard time. >;-b Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Concerning Rossi's attempts to achieve adequate Patent Protection
>From James, > An executive has fiduciary responsibility to his stockholders. >This means he must pursue due diligence regarding the protection > of the assets of the company. Since the USPTO has made the > patentability status of "cold fusion" claims unclear, for Rossi to > expose his trade secret in a patent disclosure could be viewed > as a breach of fiduciary responsibility. > > Snipers who aren't under this sort of responsibility who demand > that Rossi trust the USPTO to act in a rational manner are not > to be taken seriously. Daniel, I know you've already said that you've said everything you want to say on this topic, but do you have anything more you might like to add to Jame's commentary? I seem to recall that you have some first-hand knowledge of how a patent office works. As for me, INAL either, but I would speculate that Rossi's current patent would be defined by a gaggle of lawyers as having been written so badly that it would offer little or no protection against all forms of "illegal" attempts to reverse engineer the Andrea's work. James, you seem to be saying that under the current climate Rossi is in a catch-22 situation. Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't. Did I miss something here? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Google insights seem to show waning interest for NET and W-L
For an interesting change of pace, try entering in a few other key words, like "New Energy Times" and "Widom Larsen" http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=%22new%20energy%20times%22&cmpt=q It would seem NET's 20 minutes of fame may be coming to a close. This suggests to me that Mr.Krivit will need to find something else in which to stir the pot with. I'm inclined to suspect stirring the pot has become the only reporting behavior Mr. Krivit knows how to do in order to remain noticed. This would especially be the case if Krivit's hopes and dreams for landing the scoop of the century in regards to a major Widom Larsen breakthrough (an exclusive scoop I suspect was probably promised to him) continue to wane. Performing Google statistics on "Widom Larsen" brings back a similar waning bump. It would therefore not surprise me to see additional attack reporting of the kind we've seen of Krivit's previous attempts to insinuate that Rossi & Co is a fraud. I still can't get over Krivit's attempt to ridicule Rossi as a muddled thinker by quoting Andrea's s broken English verbatim, including all of his inflections. IMHO, that was an incredibly stupid thing for Krivit to have done. It was at that point that I lost all respect for Krivit's ability to discern the motivations of others. IMHO, Krivit needs to work on discerning his own motivations, because if he doesn't have a handle on his own quirks, he will be incapable of discerning the motivations of others. Until he does Krivit will constantly be in danger of reflecting his own unrealized motivations onto the faces of others. Anything to stay noticed. Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
> More info: > > http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/HYDROGEN.html > > "The information below described a new catalyst, CC, that requires zero > energy input once the reaction is started and heated to 180F. After that, > hydrogen is produced for as long as fuel (water and aluminum) are provided." > > Zero energy input ? wow, who is going to need lenr once we all have hydrogen > on demand ? Not so fast. Obviously, this is an intriguing claim, and I hope it is checked out soon. In the meantime I would remain cautiously skeptical until additional evidence is accumulated. All too often the devil is eventually found in the details. Personal thoughts: Difficulty in extracting hydrogen cheaply, cleanly, and abundantly has always made it difficult to promote hydrogen as *the* ubiquitous clean and abundant energy source for the entire planet. While such claims might have the potential to worry many "CF" proponents, the fact that the alleged technology seems to extract hydrogen from H2O without the need for expending additional energy, once the reaction begins, this would seem to indicate the discovery of another "cold fusion-like " / zero-point-energy technology. And that is good news for the alternative energy front. By definition, the technology would ...seem... to violate one of the sacred laws of thermodynamics. If this eventually proves to be an accurate assessment it would seem to me that it would throw the physics books out the door just as easily as Rossi & Co., or DTG's claims are now attempting to do with their eCats and Hyperon units. The whole alternative energy community would benefit. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
>From David: > I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance. > If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it > takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by > putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I > used the gas to fill bags for balloons. Sounds like a lot of fun. I assume your "secret sauce" formula was eventually used up. Eventually, replenishment is necessary, and there's the rub. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Re: FYI: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory
>From Alain: > http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=177379 Note that the last paragraph states the following: > A plethora of theoretical models have been proposed to explain > several experimental anomalies in LENR. A brief description of > a weak interaction model shall be presented that claims to > explain almost ALL of the anomalous effects found so far. I like the term: "A BRIEF description of a weak interaction model will be presented..." Methinks these guys are holding their cards very close to the vest. This announcement does not strike me as outright recognition of the W-L theory as Krivit would seem to be insinuating and promoting. Note that Krivit's blog page states in bold letters: "CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory" http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/08/cern-recognizes-lenrs-widom-larsen-theory/ Yeah, right. Neither does CERN's announcement strike me as an endorsement of the theory either. The W-L theory is only one of many possible theories for which CERN will BRIEFLY touch on. Nothing wrong with letting the W-L camp have their day in court. Be that as it may, I suspect Mr. Krivit would would have preferred that CERN had stated something to the effect that they are seriously investigating the merits of the W-L theory. I suspect from Krivit's POV it would help justify his on-going objective of promoting what appears to be a very strong personal belief that the W-L theory is the only way to go. Since CERN didn't actually say that they are recognizing or promoting the theory, looks to me like Krivit decided to put those words in their mouth. If I had been involved in running the CERN colloquium I think I would have been a little irked by Mr. Krivit's insinuations. PS: At 16h00 they will serve "Tea and coffee". Makes me wonder how they will heat the tea. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100000 e-cats preordered
>From Peter, > What, exactly, do mean > 100,000 orders for > a product that is not still on the market? ... Good question. One way I can look at this conundrum is to do some simple napkin math. 100,000 orders x $500 to $1000 (retail price per eCat) comes to gross sales of approximately 50 to 100 million dollars. I can not overemphasize the term "POTENTIAL gross sales". 50 to 100 million certainly sounds impressive. I guess if I were in Andrea's shoes perhaps I would take those figures to the bank and use it as a form of financial collateral in order to secure additional funding to help scale up mass production. A loan officer might be favorably inclined to bite after reviewing the financial potential. But who really knows what Rossi is up to. Rossi strikes me as someone who has a propensity to change his business plans on a dime if it suits his best interests to do so. This is not necessarily a bad thing. It's just business. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100000 e-cats preordered
>From Peter: ... > As one of the sillier examples of his preorder method, let's take Wladimir > as an example: > > Wladimir Guglinski February 8th, 2012 at 2:59 AM > > Dear Mr. Andrea Rossi > > May I pre-order 1000 eCats? Firstly I will ask to send me 5 eCats. After > selling them, I will ask more 10, and after selling them more 20… more 40… > etc. > > Regarded Wlad LOL! Thanks for posting that one,Peter. Let me put my Mr. Rodger's Hat on: Can you spell "Ponzi Scheme"? ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100000 e-cats preordered
>From Peter: ... > See please my old paper: > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/05/buying-e-cat-in-sack.html > > No real dialogue possible with Rossi, sorry for him. > Peter Personally, I think it's a tad premature for us to feel sorry for Rossi. He strikes me as an extraordinarily intuitive entrepreneur when it comes to assessing potential business relationships. Granted, on the surface Rossi's business strategy doesn't seem to reveal a smooth track record - a track record which self-appointed skeptics love to luxuriate in. But, hey, I get the impression that most enterprises (particularly those considered to be outrageous, like Rossi's) tend to reveal a string of unpredictable patterns shrouded in mystique and misinformation. This is, of course, augmented by the fact that countless detractors will make sure everyone within earshot will claim such enterprises are positively, absolutely impossible. All considered, I still think it's possible Rossi's obfuscations of the deliberate kind could eventually allow him to "get his cake and eat it too". We just don't know yet. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Including nuclear degrees of freedom in a lattice Hamiltonian, PL Hagelstein, IU Chaudhary 2012.01.20: Rich Murray 2012.02.09
>From Rich: > I meant cf has jumped to be successful science, finally... I think I was a little snippier than usual this morning because I had not yet had my cop'o'java. In any case, I certainly agree. Let us both hope the trend continues. Where it will eventually leads us, nobody knows! Hopefully, to good things. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
On the surface it certainly sounds promising. I'm glad Sterling secured sufficient funds that allowed him to go evaluate Sam's device. I'm also glad Sterling is going to stop off and visit Defkalion as well. I'm still going on the assumption that Sam's device will eventually fail to pass the mustard. This assumes a crucial test in the independent replication phase discovers a flaw in the original design assumptions. However, nothing would please me more than to have my pessimism proven wrong. I'd rather be labeled a hopelessly naive believer (as perceived by skeptics) as compared to that of a skeptic who knows too much to be taken by what he believes must obviously be charlatans, and as such why would I even bother to check the claims out. Grasshopper Johnson Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
>From Guenter, ... > As has been mentioned by some before , it is about a careful balance between > (pathological) skepticism and weakminded wishful thinking. Agreed. I would however replace the term "weakminded" with "indiscriminate". Sounds more descriptive to me. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I love it! I hope Rossi accepts the challenge. The pessimist within me however thinks he won't. I'm inclined to think Rossi might be inclined to reply with something to the effect that he's too busy to spend time on what he will try to describe as nothing more than unimportant parlor demonstration... whatever. I hope I'm wrong. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
>From Daniel > Damn! HE IS TOTALLY INSANE I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING > HAHAHAHAHA! :D Sterling is simply behaving like an evangelist of a different cloth. All evangelists want to spread the good news. Some more obnoxiously that others. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Terry sez: >> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg > > Outstanding! > > "Constant Growth = Doom" ?!? > > From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! With special emphasis on the vowels in "BOOM"... or "DOOM" depending on the interpretation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
>From Jed: > Stirling Allen wrote: >> . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an >> establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, >> and started saying, "May I have your attention, please. I would like >> to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens." >> >> But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me >> away because I was interrupting a party. > > He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. > What an embarrassment. It's only an embarrassment in the eye of the beholder. I'll just bet'cha that Sterling never felt a twinge of embarrassment by his actions. I suspect he only felt an immediate sense of frustration - of being thwarted by the authorities after all Sterling wanted to do was spread the "good news" to his flock. I suspect few of us would feel the urge to attempt to proselytize in the obnoxious manner that Sterling had done. But that's because most of us don't possess a "sense of mission" that Sterling's possess. In a sense, that is the cross Sterling must bear in his lifetime. It seems pretty obvious to me that Sterling's motivation was not done out of a sense of malice or for personal gain, such as at the expense of those he wanted to proselytize to... well except for the fact that his obnoxious behavior ended up temporarily interrupting the proceedings of a dinner party he decided to "crash". It was done because Sterling, behaving like the "free energy" evangelist that he is, sincerely wanted to spread the good news as he perceived that good news to be. If Sterling is to be faulted, it is that some of his public actions lack subtlety. His lack of discrimination will unfortunately cause him to appear to behave like a zealot in the eyes of many. FWIW, Jed, I know damned well that you were once accused of behaving a "zealot" too! In any case, such actions doesn't make Sterling a jerk in my book. Just an occasional bull in a china shop. So, when Sterling comes knocking at the door, just make sure you know where your chinaware is. And then just sit back and watch the show. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
>From Jarold: > There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. > I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more > towards him being a fraud. ... Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge. However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, "us" who reside in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are legitimate. All that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and feeding of his mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion dollar question that we should be trying to get a better handle on. As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his best interests to do so. There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals, including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not necessarily in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular moment in time that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is that his carefully guarded business interests believe that his eCats are for real - by allowing THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they need to do on his eCats in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world, his critics, as well as potential competition don't think he eCats are for real, all to the better. Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it! All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi. Get over it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Jarold, You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior. Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what comes of it. You may get some responses. Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative conclusions could eventually be proven wrong. You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it. Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
I gather Mr. Egely is claiming he is actually transmuting graphite (carbon) into iron with the use of a microwave oven.. And lets just forget about how much radiation that must generate as carbon nucleus are fused into iron nucleus. To prove his conjecture he uses a magnet to show that his newly created "iron" now shows magnetic properties... I gather that as far as Mr. Egely is concerned he must be fuzing carbon and making iron cuz everyone noz that graphite has no magnetic properties. Truth be known, I myself had forgotten about the fact that under certain unique conditions carbon can display magnetic properties, that is until Jones once again brought the link to my attention. Thanks for the link, Jones. Well intentioned (if not a little naive) mistakes and misinterpretations like the one apparently made by Mr. Egely can nevertheless point us all to even greater discoveries with profound ramifications, particularly if we are willing to let go to the initial misinterpretations our egos assigned to the phenomenon. Fact is, newly discovered phenomenon is often misinterpreted, at least initially. Those who understand this personal aspect are less inclined to take their initial misinterpretations personally. Then, the real discoveries can proceed unhindered by past prejudice. As has already been speculated by others, it would surprise me that as nanotechnology matures carbon based magnetic materials may eventually turn out to possess crucial industrial applications that may surpass the need to use expensive rare-earth magnets that are currently in use. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:OT: Apps for iPad 3: What Apple should demo at the grand unveiling
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/14/tech/gaming-gadgets/ipad-3-apps-update/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 Display is likely to increase to: 2048 x 1536 Most likely the same display size. I wanna an iPad (jumbo), one that's picture book size! Approximately 8" x 12". IMO, there's a definite need for a bigger iPad sizes, and smaller sizes too. IMO, certain charts and graphics simply don't view well enough on the current iPad product, where one size fit's all functions. No! It doesn't It can't! Larger size iPads would do well in educational environments. I'm sure Apple will eventually get around to creating several iPad sizes. If they don't the competition will. BTW, we have an iPad 2. Actually, it seems to me that after my wife joined a discussion group discussing the art of weaving (ravelry) she just sort of just one day took possession of it. What could I do! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
>From Harry: >> Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will >> eventually be revealed. > > You don't think they have already been revealed? No. All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures. While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed behind closed doors. > Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his > business venture will fail. More endless speculation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
>From Jarold ... > ... I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Patience grasshopper. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Tesla Murdered by Nazis
Terry sez: > http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/13/nikola-tesla-was-murdered-by-otto-skorzeny/ > > excerpt: > > "According to Skorzeny, he and Gehlen had tricked Tesla the previous > day into revealing the full details of his most important discoveries. > After the murder, they stole the contents of Tesla’s safe, which were > delivered to Hitler." > > Ah, another good conspiracy! This has all the makings of the kind of skullduggery that can never, never, EVER be proven true of false. When's the book coming out? ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Jarold sez: > It's my deadline based on the things both Rossi and Defkalion said. > If nothing happens by that time, I will stop paying attention to this > drama and consider that it is most likely a fraud. Well shoot! So Rossi has finally violated your deadline, and now you're miffed. You've lost your patience and as such, Rossi has now become a really bad guy. Who knows what Rossi's actual deadlines are. I don't think Rossi even knows. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy
Regarding: > http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580&cpage=3#comment-185662 > >> Andrea Rossi >> February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM >> >> IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY >> >> Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy: >> Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with >> a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo >> Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune >> to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial >> licenses. >> We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the >> interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make >> an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the >> Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we >> send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The >> uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of >> them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, >> and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee >> is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement >> expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is >> compensated in the accounting by a credit memo. >> When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to >> the proper licensee. >> All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request >> and a description of their organization to: >> i...@leonardocorp1996.com >> I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already >> licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the >> presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in >> that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most >> important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are: >> 1- Russia >> 2- Japan >> We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these >> territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to >> Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want >> to buy the license. >> Warm Regards, >> Andrea Rossi >> CEO of Leonardo Corp. I assume this is in reference to the following PDF file of an alleged INVOICE posted on Krivit's NET site: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf Rossi's seems to be claiming this alleged document is nothing more than a complete fabrication. I see three possible scenarios that come to mind in regards to what this could possibly mean for Krivit. SCENARIO ONE: Depending on how one interprets what Rossi is actually saying here it still seems conceivable to me that Leonardo Corp actually did send this document to Bryon New Energy Charitable Trust. However, it's not clear to me whether the document was an actual bill or just an initial proposal to pay a certain amount of money in exchange for a product. It's possible the "invoice" Krivit received was incomplete, meaning that there may have been additional pages containing wording that spelled out specific terms and conditions. In my own experience requests (invoices) for services or products between interested parties are sent out all the time with dollar figures attached on the last page. It's all part of the on-going negotiation process. It's called bargaining! Negotiations of this nature are typically done IN PRIVATE. In my view, if this really was a document pertaining to a private on-going negotiation process I think it was unethical for Krivit to have posted it. Perhaps someone with some lawyer experience can comment more on this conjecture of mine, and clarify any misconceptions I might have created. Jones! You up to the challenge? SCENARIO TWO: Krivit deliberately and with full knowledge posted out on NET what he knew to be a fabrication in an attempt to defame Rossi. (I find this very hard to believe. In fact I don't believe it.) SCENARIO THREE: Someone Krivit presumably believes to be a trusted source gave him this "invoice." The "trusted source" convinced Krivit that it was an authentic "invoice". Krivit, wanting to believe it was an authentic document, subsequently posted out on NET in an attempt to defame Rossi. It also implies that Krivit was himself scammed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT willing to accept Dick Smith's offer + Official tests info
Hot Damn! I luv it! The following personal speculation of mine assumes DGT's acceptance wasn't a rumor: The offer puts skeptic, Dick Smith, in the hot seat. We need to watch very carefully how Smith responds. If he had been "banking" (no pun intended) on the premise that Rossi or DGT would ever accept his generous one million dollar offer it's possible we should start seeing impossible-to-accept restrictions placed on how the test will be conducted. This is what competition is all about. It strikes me as an excellent way for DGT to gain the upper hand... excellent PR for the company. Rossi & his financial backers ought to be worried. It's possible it may also force them to reassess their prior decision to ignore Smith. Will Krivit report on the results? Inquiring minds want to know. OTOH, if this was all just a rumor... never mind. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy
> So Rossi doesn't take money from investors, but he does take money > from the sale of licenses for an unreliable product. Is this a responsible > way to run a business? Harry, what's your point? Surely you realize the fact that many within the Vort Collective question Rossi's business practices. And so do I. It's exacerbated by the fact that Rossi tells us only what he wants to tell us, so who the hell really knows what is happening. I also know that I'm not in Rossi's shoes. Are you in his shoes? Do you really know what's happening? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Responds to Dick
>From Terry: > (third message on page) > > excerpt: > > "We requested for a Skype conference call with Mr Smith, similar to > what he had requested from Mr Rossi. Mr Smith declined our offer. > Strangely, when Mr Rossi declined Mr Smith, Mr Smith called > Mr Rossi a scam. Should we consider the same of Mr Smith? " > > :-) Jed predicted Dick would start squirming. ...I sed to watch Dick very carefully to how he responds. "Squeal like a pig!" ;-) - from Deliverance Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens
Jones sez: > This is a bit off topic to the thread (ok, way off)... ... and as you well know that has never stopped the Vort Collective from engaging in a good debate! ;-) The following might be of interest to some here: Michael Cremo "Forbidden Archeology" http://www.mcremo.com/ http://www.mcremo.com/YASBLT_forbiddenarchaeology.pdf Some of the artifacts that have allegedly been uncovering are astonishing. I can't say that I believe in all of this stuff, but what is discussed is fascinating never the less. IMO it deserves further scrutiny. Unfortunately, that is not likely because it would be politically incorrect to do so. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens
Here's some additional photos to wet the imagination! http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/ Excerpt: " A metallic sphere from South Africa with three parallel grooves around its equator (photo courtesy of Roelf Marx). The sphere was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, said to be 2.8 billion years old." Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens
Orionworks sez: > Here's some additional photos to wet the imagination! > > http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/ > > Excerpt: > > " A metallic sphere from South Africa with three parallel grooves > around its equator (photo courtesy of Roelf Marx). The sphere was > found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, said to be 2.8 billion years > old." Here's Wikipedia's entry on the spheres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere Actually, it seems well written, and does a good job of debunking a number of prior claims, misrepresentations, and misinterpretations. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens
Terry sez: >> Here's Wikipedia's entry on the spheres: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere > > OOPAs! > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact > > from Oompa Loompa! Oompartifacts ... or perhaps Loompartifacts. Actually, the latter sounds like the name of an Italian restaurant I use to go to. Great kitchen cacciatore. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire Inc.
>From Francis: > If this experiment occurred in 2009 and resulted in radiation sickness and > transmuted elements at only 840 watts in I have to ask why it is only > becoming news now and why the news isn’t all over the front page.. what >I am missing that makes this less than earth shattering news? Good heavens, yes! Good question Francis. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:SK and Widom Larsen Theory -- What do we know?
>From Blum > This is what Rossi said today about Krivit: > > The snake is not a skeptic, is a puppet paid by puppeteers who would compete > with us but are not able to. He is strongly connected with their company. He > gets money to make libelling against us also from other 2 well identified > entities. We will give detailed and throughly information in due time. > Everything in due time, we will get some fun. Don't believe everything that Rossi says. As president Reagan became famous for saying: "Trust, but verify". Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report
>From Andre, ... > How gullible Allen can be: Allen says in his report that > under this load of 4kW the 2 pcs 12V/102Ah batteries > should be fully drained after 35 minutes. That's a good > calculation. Already in the next paragraph however, he > has no problem making clear that the number of batteries > is actually 4, but two of them (the 'second bank') are > used "to harvest back-EMF from the "wheel of nature". > Ermm.. okay... Allen.. listen.. that doesn't mean they > are not full batteries capable of supplying another 2.4 kWh. And > I feel we [c]an safely ignore this FFG device, just like all > other magnet motors, as Frank is suggesting. Really? Let me clarify what I mean by that. I'm not an electrical engineer. I cannot judge the veracity of these kinds of exotic claims. In my own experience, I have performed thousands of simulations on theoretical magnetic research using Finite Element Method Magnetics work. My own research focused on Permanent Magnet configurations. You can download the s/w at the following website: http://www.femm.info/wiki/Download Working with this kind of software can be fun and educational. In the end I concluded that I personally did not discover any kind of exotic asymmetries that could be exploited as "free energy". That does not mean that I believe it's therefore not possible... only that I personally didn't find any. Truth of the matter is that my own research into permanent magnet configurations bears no resemblance to what this South African company claims to have exploited. Therefore I'm not going to judge them simply based on what I have worked on. I gather this company claims to have found a way to reduce back-EMF so that an asymmetry in the electromagnetic forces can be exploited. This claim sounds very similar to what STEORN claimed to have achieved a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, I gather few seriously believe that STEORN has actually proved that they have defeated back-EMF. Meanwhile, it's hard to tell what STEORN is up to these days, other than the fact that they don't seem to be entirely dead yet. That fact alone continues to intrigue me. While I continue to harbor serious doubts as to whether any of these back-EMF claims will eventually turn out to be true, I still think it is presumptuous for anyone to make the kind of conclusions that Andre seems to be making here. Maybe Mr. Allen really is a gullible fool, as Andre Blum seems to be claiming, but then maybe he isn't. All I know is that I sure as hell am NOT going to just ignore him...not just yet. In my book it would be a stupid and ignorant move on my part not to see what happens next. The bottom line is that Mr. Allen is supposed to receive one of these devices in the near future. That obviously means Allan & his associates can begin performing all the necessary tests to either prove or disprove these extraordinary claims. For now, I'd prefer to wait for more definitive tests rather than to judge a book by its current cover. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report
> Do you also disagree on how I describe the demonstration > setup as being ridiculous, and not worth of drawing any > positive conclusions from in the way Stirling Allen does? Andre, As I have previous stated, I am not an electrical engineer. As such it is not my place to pass judgment on your current technical analysis of the South African contraption. However, I noticed that a lot of your analysis is heavily layered with subjective conclusions that, quite frankly, have little to do with your technical analysis, such as your conclusion of Sterling's inability to discern when he is being used, in your words, as a "prostitute". You strike me as being more interested in defending your original conclusions which regrettably includes a strong belief in that Sterling is not terribly bright. Well, maybe Sterling isn't the brightest bulb on the planet, but then maybe he has a few more watts than some of us might think. Frankly, I dunno. Be that as it may, in this particular situation I'm not interested in conclusions pertaining to speculation of the so-called personality faults of Sterling. I see enough of that kind of folly with Mr. Krivit and his attempt to analyze Rossi's quirky behavior. I will repeat once again: My primary concern is that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I wait for more definitive tests to be performed, such as when Sterling presumably gets one of the contraptions in house where definitive testing can then be performed. You may recall that I have also previously stated that I have serious doubts as to whether any so called OU will be discovered. However, my current pessimism could turn out to be completely misplaced. It would be unwise of me to allow my pessimism to overrule what Nature may actually be trying to tell us. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to interest you, and that puzzles me. It's as if to show any more curiosity that what you have currently allowed yourself to indulge in could possibly contradict your current conclusion which seems to be based on a belief in Sterling is an idiot. > Unless I have been missing a lot, this whole magnet motor > thing does not have the scientific support or endorsements > that LENR has, so I find it to be in a completely different > league. I think you may have indeed missed a few things that go on in this list. Granted, LENR makes up a large part of what is discussed here, but LENR is not by any means the only topic of interest. The kind of magnetic related research that Sterling refers to has often been discussed extensively here. BTW, you continue to refer to this particular device as a "magnet motor." That is an incorrect description. It also suggests to me that you haven't been following this particular topic extensively. I can certainly forgive you on that matter because there are many topics on this list that also I do not follow in great detail. I have only so many hours in a day. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
>From Jed, > noone noone wrote: > >> >> Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual >> property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.) > Nonsense. I agree, What well-known company has not filed suit against a potential competitor for daring to kick the tires of their product. Think of Apple. Meanwhile, it's business as usual. Or as Trump would say, it's just business. Meanwhile, nobody wants sales to stop. Cessation of sales would translate to no more money that could be awarded to the injured party! If DGT ends up whipping Rossi's ass, hopefully the inventor will end up with a reasonably satisfactory out-of-court consolation prize. ...A reasonable sum, perhaps amounting to several hundred million Euros - for pain and suffering. We'll see. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone sez: > If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied > it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion > dollars from a lawsuit. > > The only thing I would accept is for the other company to be > forced to re-call all their products. Then I would make money > by selling the products from my own company. Good luck. You give me the impression that you think you can go to court and win your case in a just few weeks, and then everything will be honky dorey. Think again. Think years. Many, many years. And during all those contentious years of unending litigation that will make many a lawyer rich, and while you are demanding all those recalls, and to a complete halt to sales, just think of all the good PR you will be generating for yourself. People across the planet are desperate for any kind of cheaper energy. But your sense of demanding "justice" could end up potentially denying a huge portion of the population that opportunity - all on personal principle. I'm sure they will all understand your personal sense of outrage for not getting even richer off of your invention. But of course you'll be right. You have that going for you. Don't get me wrong. I would be pissed off, too, if someone stole my invention. But consider the ramifications of how best to get even with the competition. Try to get even without turning yourself in to the energy pariah of the century - someone who will be written up in the history books as having denied millions of desperate individuals access to cheap energy because he was unhappy over the fact that someone was making profits off of something that he thought he should be profiting over himself. > If Rossi's technology has been stolen, I hope he refuses any > credit, money, or other compensation. I would also hope he > would turn down the nobel prize. I hope his mission in life > becomes to stop anyone who has used his technology without > permission. Shish! I'm glad I don't think the way you do. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
It's been a slow-news Friday afternoon, so please accept my apologies for continuing this protracted discussion with noone noone: The world according to noone noone: > If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied > it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion > dollars from a lawsuit. > > The only thing I would accept is for the other company to be > forced to re-call all their products. Then I would make money > by selling the products from my own company. > > When it comes to sticking to my principles, it does not > matter what people think of me. It's been my experience that when I hear people boast that they don't care "...what other people think about [them]." they are essentially trying to convince themselves that they have found a magic bullet that allows themselves to become immune to what other people think about them. It matters, noone. It always matters. It's learning how to DEAL with how others think about you... that is a lesson in life we all must face. Its learning to find one's personal center. It's learning how to discover one's sense of personal integrity so that one can subsequently withstand the onslaught of external pressures demanding that we conform to specific social taboos. Quite frankly, it looks to me as if you are trying to remove yourself from having to deal with the anticipation of personal pain you fear you will feel based on what you fear others might say about you or think about you. You think you can avoid this lesson? Think again. Avoiding that lesson only means it will come back in another scenario again, and again, until you have the courage to pass through that fire. > I'm the kind of person who goes into church and asks > Christians, "who would Jesus bomb." At that point I'm > automatically considered an evil liberal. I have no idea how making such a statement about whom "...Jesus would bomb" could possibly cause ANYONE to assume that you must therefore be an "evil liberal." Are you sure you are reading their responses accurately, or is it possible that you hope you will be labeled as an "evil liberal" so that it gives you additional justification to dismiss how others will perceive you. From what you have told me so far, what all this seems to boil down to is the fact that you seem to be fishing around for convenient ways in which to avoid having to deal with how you fear others will perceive you. > In this life you can usually take two roads when it > comes to most decisions. The first road is the one that > is a compromise of your principles, and branches out to > many different roads. This road is often easier to ride > on, has fewer bumps, and makes a commute easy. The second > road is the one where you refuse to budge one inch on your > principles. It is full of bumps, and can easily get you a > flat tire. For example, a woman divorcing her husband after > being cheated on (THE FIRST TIME) despite having ten kids > and no way to financially support them, and her husband > apologizing. Divorce is the only appropriate answer, even > if it could mean the kids end up being sent to orphanages > and never seeing each other again. Some may say she should > have not divorced her husband, but I believe her principles > are more important than anything else. I get the sense that certain elements pertaining to this hypothetical "divorce" scenario you have brought up may have touched on something that actually happened to you. In what capacity, I don't know. Nevertheless, you have my sympathies. Seeking counsel from individuals one has learned to trust is recommended. It can help. Now, in regards to the infidelity issue you cite here... quite frankly, noone, you are NOT dealing with "principle" here, even though you claim you are. The actions you cite have NOTHING to do with sticking to one's "principles". To be perfectly blunt, you just don't want to deal with the complexities of what a dynamic relationship sometimes brings forth between two individuals. Sticking to the principals you cite here means you don't want to deal with WHY a spouse might have in the first place temporarily wandered from the sacred bonds and emotional security of marriage. You are using the excuse of sticking to your principles so that you can avoid some potential unpleasant soul-searching on your own part. What are you really afraid of? That maybe you'll discover the fact that you're just as imperfect as your spouse? After entering into discussion maybe a couple WILL discover the sad fact that they actually SHOULD separate, but then maybe such a drastic decision is unwarranted. Your "principals" would allow for no opportunity to explore all the choices - except for your "principal" of avoiding the whole matter altogether. > If I were Andrea Rossi and if my technology had been copied > without permission (I'm not saying it has) I would let the > world consider me the most evil man in history. I would > sleep just fine at night knowing that I did the right > th
Re: [Vo]:Wired Magazine- Cold Fusion, NASA, CERN, DARPA....
>From Kita: > http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/27/rossi-roundup Oops! I see you already posted this info! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
