Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Rod Blitvich]

Hi everyone
I really sweated on buying the new 12 inch Macbook 18 months ago.
512 GB internal drive
Must say I’m really pleased with it!
So light and easy to pull out in the middle of a meeting, in the lounge chair, 
in bed etc etc
Don’t often have the need for plugging in peripherals, but when I do- the apple 
adaptors do the trick.
Plug in a usb flash drive, a usb hard drive or a projector cable no worries.

Regarding managing photos: - I got to the stage where I now use Aperture to 
manage my Photo Library.
I select the option to store my original files on an external drive and low res 
versions on the Macbook.
Still have 50 GB free - but I’m a terrible hoarder!

No longer making lots of movies.
A teeny bit of Photoshop and plenty of Aperture, MacPhun Creative Kit and 
Plug-ins, Aurora HD a teeny bit etc
When I do the School Newsletter I use the school 15 inch Macbook Pro - just for 
a bit of screen real-estate.

cheers
Blitto



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> On 31 Oct 2016, at 6:56 AM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> Like Daniel, I have been using Macintosh computers or various sorts for a 
> very long time. I have just bought a new  MacBook Air 13” and for the first 
> time I have an SD card slot.  What a change from all previous Mac Books etc.  
> Something that is REALLY useful is now a quick swap from the camera to the 
> Air.  
> 
> It is hard to know what drives the marketing department at Apple Central but 
> they clearly ignore the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” axiom. The one thing 
> they do not do (at least not obviously) is survey their dedicated users.
> 
> Hands up anyone who is in favour of losing weight in favour of a box of 
> dongles.  
> 
> This new MacAir of mine is light enough and will not set me up for 
> overzealous ground staff at airports re-weighing my carry-on bag and 
> demanding it go the cargo hold “for safety”.
> 
> The submit that the weight thing is a designer fetish.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Oct 2016, at 06:10, Susan Hastings > <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I have had a chance to sort of live with USB-c using the first 12" 
>> MacBook which was going fairly cheaply for the base model when the new one 
>> came out (Officeworks). I have three different dongles, which all work 
>> without added power if you only use one external,drive, but need power pass 
>> through if you want to have another drive or are using the SD card slot to 
>> transfer images. I keep all my photos on external drives, so need two things 
>> to work at once.
>> 
>> I took the MacBook on one caravan trip, but then took my 13" MacBook Pro the 
>> next time we went away because of the built in card reader and USB. I found 
>> the thought of getting out the MacBook and it's dongles, however small and 
>> light, a bit of a pain. 
>> 
>> The 12" is lovely to carry about as even the power brick is tiny and light 
>> to carry, but if I am processing lots of photos it's nice to go back to my 
>> 13". I knew the 12" MacBook would not be powerful enough to replace the 13", 
>> so always intended to keep both and recently upgraded the 13" with a 1tb SSD 
>> drive, up from  a 128gig SSD that it came with. I have the old Apple display 
>> that I e had for many years when I need a larger monitor.
>> 
>> The 13" will have to do me for at least a couple more years until USB-C is 
>> more widely used.
>> 
>> Cheers, Susan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 31 Oct. 2016, at 2:53 am, Daniel Kerr >> <mailto:dan...@macwizardry.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to weigh in on some of this.
>>> I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded 
>>> MacBook Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how 
>>> it all works out also.
>>> I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” 
>>> of ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with 
>>> my work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a 
>>> a bit of a pain.
>>> And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at 
>>> the top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
>>> I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And 
>>> there really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the 
>>> new (bar the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the 
>>>

Oh dear, ....Classic Mac Startup Chime Not Present in New MacBook Pros

[Daniel Kerr]

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/30/classic-startup-chime-new-macbook-pros/

No glowing Apple logo anymore,..and no startup chime.
I know these might not be “huge things”,…but hey,..isn’t it Classic Apple.

Oh, and just to add on from my post yesterday.
There was also an article about the Thunderbolt 3 Ports on the right side of 
the 13” MacBook Pro. Apparently they have reduced PCI Express Bandwidth on the 
right hand side.
So “heavy drawing items” should be used on the left hand side, and lower items 
on the right hand side of the 13”. Something to bear in mind.
Though the 15” MacBook Pro has the same draw on each side,…so ti’s fine.

I think lately my tag-line will be,…”Apple, what are you doing???”

lol.

And it’s not even April 1st……

Enjoy! (?)

Kind regards
Daniel

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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Bill Parker]

Like Daniel, I have been using Macintosh computers or various sorts for a very 
long time. I have just bought a new  MacBook Air 13” and for the first time I 
have an SD card slot.  What a change from all previous Mac Books etc.  
Something that is REALLY useful is now a quick swap from the camera to the Air. 
 

It is hard to know what drives the marketing department at Apple Central but 
they clearly ignore the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” axiom. The one thing 
they do not do (at least not obviously) is survey their dedicated users.

Hands up anyone who is in favour of losing weight in favour of a box of 
dongles.  

This new MacAir of mine is light enough and will not set me up for overzealous 
ground staff at airports re-weighing my carry-on bag and demanding it go the 
cargo hold “for safety”.

The submit that the weight thing is a designer fetish.

Bill





> On 31 Oct 2016, at 06:10, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have had a chance to sort of live with USB-c using the first 12" 
> MacBook which was going fairly cheaply for the base model when the new one 
> came out (Officeworks). I have three different dongles, which all work 
> without added power if you only use one external,drive, but need power pass 
> through if you want to have another drive or are using the SD card slot to 
> transfer images. I keep all my photos on external drives, so need two things 
> to work at once.
> 
> I took the MacBook on one caravan trip, but then took my 13" MacBook Pro the 
> next time we went away because of the built in card reader and USB. I found 
> the thought of getting out the MacBook and it's dongles, however small and 
> light, a bit of a pain. 
> 
> The 12" is lovely to carry about as even the power brick is tiny and light to 
> carry, but if I am processing lots of photos it's nice to go back to my 13". 
> I knew the 12" MacBook would not be powerful enough to replace the 13", so 
> always intended to keep both and recently upgraded the 13" with a 1tb SSD 
> drive, up from  a 128gig SSD that it came with. I have the old Apple display 
> that I e had for many years when I need a larger monitor.
> 
> The 13" will have to do me for at least a couple more years until USB-C is 
> more widely used.
> 
> Cheers, Susan
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 31 Oct. 2016, at 2:53 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to weigh in on some of this.
>> I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
>> Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all 
>> works out also.
>> I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” 
>> of ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with 
>> my work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a a 
>> bit of a pain.
>> And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at 
>> the top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
>> I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And there 
>> really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the new (bar 
>> the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the better 
>> option there. (and looking at the budget of course,….lol).
>> 
>> In regards to the dongles.
>> Belkin are also bringing out a “dock” themselves as well - 
>> http://www.belkin.com/au/p/P-F4U095/
>> 
>> One of the other “adapters” I was also looking at is the following - 
>> https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
>> The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply and is 
>> at least slightly more portable (and smaller), so easier to throw in a bag.
>> 
>> In regards to the “upgrading later”, so far the only thing I’ve seen is for 
>> the 13” MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, which has mentioned that the SSD 
>> can be possibly upgraded later (with a bit of fiddling around to get it). 
>> They haven’t so far said anything about the ones with Touch Bar as yet. (as 
>> they haven’t shipped, so can’t pull them apart as yet).
>> Given that most of those models use a type of PCI-E Flash Drive, I’d be 
>> surprised if it a) can be done and b) would cost an arm an a leg.
>> Same with the upgrade price. As the 2TB Flash Drve/SSD is still new, the 
>> pricing is still quite expensive. Certainly external drives in 2TB form are 
>> cheaper, however a) these are generally not SSD, they’re stock standard 
>> spinning drives, and b) even a normal “SSD” is different to a smaller PCI-E 
>> type Flash Stora

Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Susan Hastings]

owing - 
> https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
> The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply and is at 
> least slightly more portable (and smaller), so easier to throw in a bag.
> 
> In regards to the “upgrading later”, so far the only thing I’ve seen is for 
> the 13” MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, which has mentioned that the SSD 
> can be possibly upgraded later (with a bit of fiddling around to get it). 
> They haven’t so far said anything about the ones with Touch Bar as yet. (as 
> they haven’t shipped, so can’t pull them apart as yet).
> Given that most of those models use a type of PCI-E Flash Drive, I’d be 
> surprised if it a) can be done and b) would cost an arm an a leg.
> Same with the upgrade price. As the 2TB Flash Drve/SSD is still new, the 
> pricing is still quite expensive. Certainly external drives in 2TB form are 
> cheaper, however a) these are generally not SSD, they’re stock standard 
> spinning drives, and b) even a normal “SSD” is different to a smaller PCI-E 
> type Flash Storage. (as they’re a lot smaller then the normal SSD). Just 
> something to compare, as you can’t really match a normal spinning drive 
> against something like an SSD etc. 
> (I’ve got an external 500GB SSD in a thunderbolt case and it walks all over 
> my standard USB3 1TB “normal hard drive" external drive. Read and Write 
> speeds are a HUGE difference between the two). So with an internal PCI-E 
> Flash Storage, this would also be a difference to a $200 external 2TB drive I 
> would imagine. (I could be wrong Rob as I don’t know the type of drive you 
> have, but given the prices I’ve seen around, I’d be surprised if it was SSD 
> etc).
> But yes, I find the Apple upgrade price on those (even given the technology), 
> is a little high.
> 
> I certainly like some of the new things in the new laptops, but I’m finding 
> it difficult to be “positive” about some of the changes too. (my personal 
> opinion anyway).
> Given how Apple always used to push the “tidiness” of the Mac. (remember the 
> Apple ad showing the PC with all the millions of cords then the camera pans 
> over to the “bubble iMac” with it’s power cable and USB keyboard and mouse” 
> and how they showed how loverly and tidy it all was), where as now, we’re all 
> about external and dongles and cables etc etc etc.
> And like some of the comments I’ve read say - you can’t even go in and buy a 
> brand new iPhone 7 and a brand new MacBook Pro 15” and connect the two 
> straight out of the box. You’ve got to add a dongle to the order to make the 
> two talk to each other! (Yet you can get an iPhone 7 and plug it straight 
> into a Microsoft Surface Tablet).
> Yes, I know I can use Wi-Fi sync between the laptop and iPhone, but if I want 
> to sync and charge the phone at the same time,..sorry, dongle time.
> After reading over 20 pages of forum posts, there hasn’t been a lot of 
> positive mentioned……
> And I know Apple loving looking into the future, but I personally would have 
> liked this “Revision 1” new MacBook Pro to perhaps kept the MagSafe charger, 
> Thunderbolt3/USB-C, USB3 port and perhaps even an SD Card slot (to add in an 
> extra 256GB storage SD if you wanted).
> As that was also a big push with Apple. Hey, …..this great MagSafe adapter. 
> If someone trips of your cable,…no problem! The power cable just comes off, 
> and the laptop stays where it is. I don’t think the same can be said for the 
> new USB-C Charger,….(I could be wrong).
> I’m sure as more cables and things come out USB-C will be more common place, 
> and then things will be better to connect. I just think it’s a little earlier 
> for some of them.
> And most people would much prefer a slightly larger in size laptop with more 
> “Features” or things added. At what point do we really need to drop a few 
> more millimetres off the size of the laptop. Can’t be we have features and 
> performance over “light weight, smaller size”.
> 
> I love the Mac, don’t get me wrong, and I’d be hard pressed to move to 
> anything else,…..I just feel that some of these things have “lost their way”. 
> I’ve been using Apple since 1984 and the first Mac 128K, so I’ve seen a lot 
> of it’s ups and downs. It’s just a bit more of a worry lately with where 
> their focus is going with these things. (and don’t get me started on dropping 
> the nice Apple monitors for the LG. Sure, they have some nice features,…they 
> just don’t look as nice). Hmm, does that comment just completely override 
> everything I said before,…lol. Well, maybe. Maybe I want a nice looking 
> monitor with all the features, and a slightly thicker laptop with better 
> battery, more ports. :)
> 

Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Daniel Kerr]

Just to weigh in on some of this.
I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all works 
out also.
I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” of 
ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with my 
work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a a bit 
of a pain.
And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at the 
top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And there 
really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the new (bar 
the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the better 
option there. (and looking at the budget of course,….lol).

In regards to the dongles.
Belkin are also bringing out a “dock” themselves as well - 
http://www.belkin.com/au/p/P-F4U095/

One of the other “adapters” I was also looking at is the following - 
https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply and is at 
least slightly more portable (and smaller), so easier to throw in a bag.

In regards to the “upgrading later”, so far the only thing I’ve seen is for the 
13” MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, which has mentioned that the SSD can be 
possibly upgraded later (with a bit of fiddling around to get it). They haven’t 
so far said anything about the ones with Touch Bar as yet. (as they haven’t 
shipped, so can’t pull them apart as yet).
Given that most of those models use a type of PCI-E Flash Drive, I’d be 
surprised if it a) can be done and b) would cost an arm an a leg.
Same with the upgrade price. As the 2TB Flash Drve/SSD is still new, the 
pricing is still quite expensive. Certainly external drives in 2TB form are 
cheaper, however a) these are generally not SSD, they’re stock standard 
spinning drives, and b) even a normal “SSD” is different to a smaller PCI-E 
type Flash Storage. (as they’re a lot smaller then the normal SSD). Just 
something to compare, as you can’t really match a normal spinning drive against 
something like an SSD etc. 
(I’ve got an external 500GB SSD in a thunderbolt case and it walks all over my 
standard USB3 1TB “normal hard drive" external drive. Read and Write speeds are 
a HUGE difference between the two). So with an internal PCI-E Flash Storage, 
this would also be a difference to a $200 external 2TB drive I would imagine. 
(I could be wrong Rob as I don’t know the type of drive you have, but given the 
prices I’ve seen around, I’d be surprised if it was SSD etc).
But yes, I find the Apple upgrade price on those (even given the technology), 
is a little high.

I certainly like some of the new things in the new laptops, but I’m finding it 
difficult to be “positive” about some of the changes too. (my personal opinion 
anyway).
Given how Apple always used to push the “tidiness” of the Mac. (remember the 
Apple ad showing the PC with all the millions of cords then the camera pans 
over to the “bubble iMac” with it’s power cable and USB keyboard and mouse” and 
how they showed how loverly and tidy it all was), where as now, we’re all about 
external and dongles and cables etc etc etc.
And like some of the comments I’ve read say - you can’t even go in and buy a 
brand new iPhone 7 and a brand new MacBook Pro 15” and connect the two straight 
out of the box. You’ve got to add a dongle to the order to make the two talk to 
each other! (Yet you can get an iPhone 7 and plug it straight into a Microsoft 
Surface Tablet).
Yes, I know I can use Wi-Fi sync between the laptop and iPhone, but if I want 
to sync and charge the phone at the same time,..sorry, dongle time.
After reading over 20 pages of forum posts, there hasn’t been a lot of positive 
mentioned……
And I know Apple loving looking into the future, but I personally would have 
liked this “Revision 1” new MacBook Pro to perhaps kept the MagSafe charger, 
Thunderbolt3/USB-C, USB3 port and perhaps even an SD Card slot (to add in an 
extra 256GB storage SD if you wanted).
As that was also a big push with Apple. Hey, …..this great MagSafe adapter. If 
someone trips of your cable,…no problem! The power cable just comes off, and 
the laptop stays where it is. I don’t think the same can be said for the new 
USB-C Charger,….(I could be wrong).
I’m sure as more cables and things come out USB-C will be more common place, 
and then things will be better to connect. I just think it’s a little earlier 
for some of them.
And most people would much prefer a slightly larger in size laptop with more 
“Features” or things added. At what point do we really need to drop a few more 
millimetres off the size of the laptop. Can’t be we have features and 
performance over “light weight, smaller size”.

I

Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Rob Phillips]

Re dongles. A colleague suggested:

i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me

audio stereo in/out 1x
usb 3x
e-sata  2x
cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
hdmi1x

that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..

But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I bought an 
external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I buy...


On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:

Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models 
for the last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, 
starting with a PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. 
I see that as becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 
years out of the machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back 
to work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it 
appears that ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the 
SSD storage area but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to 
connect to VGA overhead projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)


Brian


On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:


Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all 
four of which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it 
won’t charge faster if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)


Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same 
connector as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, 
plus Thunderbolt 2, via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 
Gbps and is backward compatible with older USB devices.

These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays.
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:



He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\

Rob

On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That 
is, if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at 
Apple's choices...


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:



Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I 
considered external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports 
and maybe just 1Tb internal drive might do.

My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close 
to $6k. So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. 
The last, a 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn 
one down yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you 
don't want an external drive.

My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey
🌊🏊


On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty 
cool, but what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've 
got 400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the 
late 1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices 
to.  I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to 
keep working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices 
to use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Brian Risbey]

Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is expensive 
but that has been the same price of the top specced models for the last 20 
years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with a PowerBook 5300, 
a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as becoming ‘cheaper’, 
factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the machines, which are used 
daily at work or at home.
I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to work. I 
think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that ,in some 
initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area but not RAM, 
after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA overhead projectors and 
off I go. (Hope they exist!)

Brian 


On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown  wrote:

Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge faster 
if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)

Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same connector 
as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus Thunderbolt 2, 
via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is backward 
compatible with older USB devices. 
These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:

> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
> 
> Rob
> 
> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>> 
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>>  
>> <http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html>
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY > <mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rob
>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>>> internal drive might do.
>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 
>>> 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>>> external drive.
>>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>>> Brian Risbey 
>>> 🌊🏊
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips >> <mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>>> what about the price?
>>> 
>>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>>> of photos!
>>> 
>>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>>> 
>>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>>> 1980s...
>>> 
>>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
>>> I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>>> 
>>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>>> 
>>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use 
>>> my computer as I move around?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr Rob Phillips
>>> Sessional tutor
>>> School of Education, Curtin University
>>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au <mailto:rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au>
>>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>>> Education
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge faster 
if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)

Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same connector 
as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus Thunderbolt 2, 
via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is backward 
compatible with older USB devices. 
These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
> 
> Rob
> 
>> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>> 
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rob
>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>>> internal drive might do.
>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 
>>> 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>>> external drive.
>>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>>> Brian Risbey 
>>> 🌊🏊
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>>> what about the price?
>>> 
>>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>>> of photos!
>>> 
>>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>>> 
>>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>>> 1980s...
>>> 
>>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
>>> I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>>> 
>>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>>> 
>>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use 
>>> my computer as I move around?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr Rob Phillips
>>> Sessional tutor
>>> School of Education, Curtin University
>>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
>>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>>> Education
>>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia>
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Rob Phillips]

He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\

Rob

On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, 
if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's 
choices...


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:



Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 
1Tb internal drive might do.

My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to 
$6k. So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The 
last, a 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one 
down yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't 
want an external drive.

My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey
🌊🏊


On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, 
but what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 
400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices 
to.  I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep 
working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to 
use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

--
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Sessional tutor
School of Education, Curtin University
rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au <mailto:rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au>
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Tertiary Education

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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Michael Hawkins]

In my irritated opinion the changes to the iOS are bad enough.

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 12:30 pm, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
> 
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob
>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>> internal drive might do.
>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", 
>> now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>> external drive.
>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>> Brian Risbey 
>> 🌊🏊
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> 
>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>> what about the price?
>> 
>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>> of photos!
>> 
>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>> 
>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>> 1980s...
>> 
>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
>> got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>> 
>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>> 
>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
>> computer as I move around?
>> 
>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr Rob Phillips
>> Sessional tutor
>> School of Education, Curtin University
>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>> Education
>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook Pros. 
It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are interested 
in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob
> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered external 
> SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb internal 
> drive might do.
> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", 
> now 8 years old, is still humming along.
> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
> external drive.
> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
> Brian Risbey 
> 🌊🏊
> 
> 
> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone
> 
> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but what 
> about the price?
> 
> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
> of photos!
> 
> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
> 
> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 1980s...
> 
> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
> got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
> 
> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
> 
> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
> computer as I move around?
> 
> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
> 
> Rob
> 
> -- 
> Dr Rob Phillips
> Sessional tutor
> School of Education, Curtin University
> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
> Education
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Brian RISBEY]

Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered external 
SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb internal drive 
might do.
My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. So, 
they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", now 8 
years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down yet? 
Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an external 
drive.
My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey 
🌊🏊


On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:

Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but what 
about the price?

The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb of 
photos!

And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 1980s...

And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...

Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
computer as I move around?

Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

-- 
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School of Education, Curtin University
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New Macbook Pros?

[Rob Phillips]

Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 
400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to 
use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

--
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Sessional tutor
School of Education, Curtin University
rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
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Education

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Re: New Macbook

[Brian Risbey]

Hi Rob
Do you follow MacRumors.com?

While the 13-inch models moved to Intel's latest Broadwell processors, the 
15-inch models continue to use the same Haswell processors from the previous 
generation, as Intel has yet to release quad-core Broadwell processors suitable 
for the larger model.

http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macbook-pro/


That is why it is very similar in specifications!

Brian
Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
iOS 9.0 🏊🏻

On 21 Oct 2015, at 22:23, Rob Phillips  wrote:

Hi everyone

I'm a little bit confused/annoyed.

I bought my 15" Macbook pro (2.6 GHz I7 4 core, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD) late in 2012.

Since my 3 year Applecare is running out, and the machine is slowing down, I'm 
looking at 'upgrading' to a new laptop.

I went in to Macworx today to see what was available. The top end machine 
available was a 15" 3.1GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7, 16Gb RAM and 512GB 
'storage'.

Most of the tech specs seem hardly changed - what happened to Moore's Law? The 
price doesn't seem to have changed much either - if anything it has gone up. 
What is even more disturbing is that the storage has decreased from 1Tb to 
512Gb - in the top-end machine! Are they serious???

My current system uses 650Gb - 350 Gb in photos. I can't upgrade without 
splitting up photo libraries or deleting old photos. This is 1990s thinking, 
and the Apple hardware is forcing me backwards. In almost 30 years of Mac use, 
I can't recall storage capacity going down.

What are my options for a portable machine which exceeds to capability of my 
current machine? A few years ago I heard that it is possible to install OSX on 
non Mac hardware. Is this still an option?

Hoping for some creative solutions...
Rob

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Re: New Macbook

[Rod Blitvich]

You can order 1 TB machines
AND it’s flash not spinning hard drive

http://www.apple.com/au/macbook-pro/specs-retina/


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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
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I don't have a big ego, I'm way too cool for that.

> On 21 Oct 2015, at 10:23 pm, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone
> 
> I'm a little bit confused/annoyed.
> 
> I bought my 15" Macbook pro (2.6 GHz I7 4 core, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD) late in 
> 2012.
> 
> Since my 3 year Applecare is running out, and the machine is slowing down, 
> I'm looking at 'upgrading' to a new laptop.
> 
> I went in to Macworx today to see what was available. The top end machine 
> available was a 15" 3.1GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7, 16Gb RAM and 512GB 
> 'storage'.
> 
> Most of the tech specs seem hardly changed - what happened to Moore's Law? 
> The price doesn't seem to have changed much either - if anything it has gone 
> up. What is even more disturbing is that the storage has decreased from 1Tb 
> to 512Gb - in the top-end machine! Are they serious???
> 
> My current system uses 650Gb - 350 Gb in photos. I can't upgrade without 
> splitting up photo libraries or deleting old photos. This is 1990s thinking, 
> and the Apple hardware is forcing me backwards. In almost 30 years of Mac 
> use, I can't recall storage capacity going down.
> 
> What are my options for a portable machine which exceeds to capability of my 
> current machine? A few years ago I heard that it is possible to install OSX 
> on non Mac hardware. Is this still an option?
> 
> Hoping for some creative solutions...
> Rob
> 
> -- 
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> School of Education, Murdoch University, Perth, Western AUSTRALIA
> r.phill...@iinet.net.au Phone: +61 (0)416 065 054
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> Education
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New Macbook

[Rob Phillips]

Hi everyone

I'm a little bit confused/annoyed.

I bought my 15" Macbook pro (2.6 GHz I7 4 core, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD) late 
in 2012.


Since my 3 year Applecare is running out, and the machine is slowing 
down, I'm looking at 'upgrading' to a new laptop.


I went in to Macworx today to see what was available. The top end 
machine available was a 15" 3.1GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7, 16Gb RAM and 
512GB 'storage'.


Most of the tech specs seem hardly changed - what happened to Moore's 
Law? The price doesn't seem to have changed much either - if anything it 
has gone up. What is even more disturbing is that the storage has 
decreased from 1Tb to 512Gb - in the top-end machine! Are they serious???


My current system uses 650Gb - 350 Gb in photos. I can't upgrade without 
splitting up photo libraries or deleting old photos. This is 1990s 
thinking, and the Apple hardware is forcing me backwards. In almost 30 
years of Mac use, I can't recall storage capacity going down.


What are my options for a portable machine which exceeds to capability 
of my current machine? A few years ago I heard that it is possible to 
install OSX on non Mac hardware. Is this still an option?


Hoping for some creative solutions...
Rob

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[4Sale] Brand new MacBook Pro 15" and MacPro3,1

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi All

I have for sale the following items if anyone is interested (or you know 
someone who is).
Thought I'd offer them here before selling them elsewhere as well.

If you are interested or require more info, please feel free to contact me off 
list.


MacBook Pro
This is a brand new machine barely used (bought end of Feb, opened once, then 
client went with a MacBook Pro 17")

MD104X/A - MacBook Pro 15" 2.6GHz i7 Quad Core, 8GB RAM, SuperDrive. 1GB 
Graphics Card.
It had the processor upgraded to the 2.7GHz i7 Quad Core.
It had the screen upgraded to the 15" Hi Resolution Antiglare screen.
Total price on this was $2879

The RAM was upgraded to 16GB RAM - $300 (after market, as Apple don't even 
offer this change in the normal MacBook Pro).
The Hard Drive was upgraded to a 480GB Solid State Drive (much faster) - $450 
(Apple have a 512GB Solid State Drive for $840).

Applecare extended warranty to a total of 3 years hardware warranty and phone 
support -$429
It also has the Hard Shell Black cover and Keyboard skin keyboard protector.- 
$100

Total price was $4128
Client is happy for all reasonable offers for the whole lot. It was registered 
on the 28/02/2013 so is just over 1.5 months on it's 3 year warranty (i.e. 
warranty until 27/02/2016).



MacPro3,1

2x 2.8GHz Quad Cire Xeon (8 core)
26GB RAM
1.5GB Hard Drive (3 bays spare)
SuperDrive
ATi Radeon HD 5870 1GB Graphics Card (current model card selling for $499)
Dual eSATA PCI Card with external SATA Drive Dock (fast for transfer)
Second hand value sites place it around $2600. Looking for all reasonable 
offers below that value. Make me an offer :o)

Thanks for looking.

Kind regards
Daniel
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Re: New Macbook Pro

[Stuart Breden]

All good stuff.  Thanks.

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
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On 15/03/2013, at 8:33 AM, Peter Crisp wrote:

> Ok thanks Daniel, I'm clear on that now. I don't have the urgency need like 
> you do in a business sense so I'm not bothered if it takes 12 hours.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 15/03/2013, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
>> iTunes music data is stored in your User directory, so that will go as long 
>> as you select all user data.
>> It won't copy over Applications already there. Only the ones not 
>> preinstalled, or the ones you've added. If they're older Applications that 
>> won't run in ML, it will copy them over but put a "no go" over the icon to 
>> show it's no longer useable, in which case it would need updated or the 
>> latest version installed.
>> 
>> Shame you don't have a Firewire cable, it's a lot faster,..lol. But then I'm 
>> thinking from my point of view where I need to turn them around 
>> quickly,..hehe.
>> 
>> But you can't selectively choose Applications, it just takes all or nothing. 
>> (but as mentioned, won't do newer ones there).
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> On 15/03/2013, at 7:22 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Daniel and Reg. Tonight I will embark on the migration. I done thave 
>>> either Firewire of Thunderbolt leads but have an ethernet so will use that 
>>> method.
>>> 
>>> I have a question. I watched a youtube clip of the migration assistant and 
>>> it looks easy. If I select "Applications" to migrate, then does it copy 
>>> over say iTunes over the preloaded iTunes? I do need some applications 
>>> migrated, like Net Nanny, Office for Mac and probably some others so I need 
>>> to select "Applications" to migrate. Can I selectively choose which 
>>> applications to copy over or is it clever and does a version check and then 
>>> not copy over stuff already in place?
>>> 
>>> Please advise.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 14/03/2013, at 8:25 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>> 
 Or as it's a non Retina Display, use Firewire. (if you have a firewire 
 cable, and as long as it's one of the MacBook's that had Firewire).
 Start the old computer into Firewire Target Mode (restart the old computer 
 with the T key held down). You'll see a Firewire symbol bouncing around 
 the screen.
 Plug in a Firewire cable to the old computer.
 Plug the Firewire cable into the new computer. Start it up.
 You'll be asked if you want to transfer the data and how you want to 
 transfer it. Choose "from another Drive or Disk" (surprisingly it won't 
 show up if you choose "From a Mac"). It's the third option down from 
 memory.
 It will then locate the other laptop and then start loading sizes of files.
 Click Continue and follow your nose through it and it will start copying 
 all the files.
 
 All going well that should then work.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: 
 Web:   
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 14/03/2013, at 8:12 PM, Reg Whitely  wrote:
 
> In addition Peter, Using Migration Assistant to shift all your file and 
> apps might take a few hours (my full transfer took over 12 hours using 
> wifi) so decide what you really need to transfer, and if you can do 
> Ethernet transfer, that should be faster.
> 
> Migration Assistant is quite easy to use without Apple FAQ, but certainly 
> do read them to be sure.
> 
> Reg
> 
> On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina 
>> model this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much 
>> else, maybe iphoto and itunes. 
>> 
>> I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of 
>> Migration Assistant but haven't used it. 
>> 
>> Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there 
>> another way.
>> 
>> Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
>> 
>> I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by 
>> step instructions.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
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[Peter Crisp]

Ok thanks Daniel, I'm clear on that now. I don't have the urgency need like you 
do in a business sense so I'm not bothered if it takes 12 hours.

Regards

Pete

On 15/03/2013, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> iTunes music data is stored in your User directory, so that will go as long 
> as you select all user data.
> It won't copy over Applications already there. Only the ones not 
> preinstalled, or the ones you've added. If they're older Applications that 
> won't run in ML, it will copy them over but put a "no go" over the icon to 
> show it's no longer useable, in which case it would need updated or the 
> latest version installed.
> 
> Shame you don't have a Firewire cable, it's a lot faster,..lol. But then I'm 
> thinking from my point of view where I need to turn them around 
> quickly,..hehe.
> 
> But you can't selectively choose Applications, it just takes all or nothing. 
> (but as mentioned, won't do newer ones there).
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> On 15/03/2013, at 7:22 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Daniel and Reg. Tonight I will embark on the migration. I done thave 
>> either Firewire of Thunderbolt leads but have an ethernet so will use that 
>> method.
>> 
>> I have a question. I watched a youtube clip of the migration assistant and 
>> it looks easy. If I select "Applications" to migrate, then does it copy over 
>> say iTunes over the preloaded iTunes? I do need some applications migrated, 
>> like Net Nanny, Office for Mac and probably some others so I need to select 
>> "Applications" to migrate. Can I selectively choose which applications to 
>> copy over or is it clever and does a version check and then not copy over 
>> stuff already in place?
>> 
>> Please advise.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/03/2013, at 8:25 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Or as it's a non Retina Display, use Firewire. (if you have a firewire 
>>> cable, and as long as it's one of the MacBook's that had Firewire).
>>> Start the old computer into Firewire Target Mode (restart the old computer 
>>> with the T key held down). You'll see a Firewire symbol bouncing around the 
>>> screen.
>>> Plug in a Firewire cable to the old computer.
>>> Plug the Firewire cable into the new computer. Start it up.
>>> You'll be asked if you want to transfer the data and how you want to 
>>> transfer it. Choose "from another Drive or Disk" (surprisingly it won't 
>>> show up if you choose "From a Mac"). It's the third option down from memory.
>>> It will then locate the other laptop and then start loading sizes of files.
>>> Click Continue and follow your nose through it and it will start copying 
>>> all the files.
>>> 
>>> All going well that should then work.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 14/03/2013, at 8:12 PM, Reg Whitely  wrote:
>>> 
 In addition Peter, Using Migration Assistant to shift all your file and 
 apps might take a few hours (my full transfer took over 12 hours using 
 wifi) so decide what you really need to transfer, and if you can do 
 Ethernet transfer, that should be faster.
 
 Migration Assistant is quite easy to use without Apple FAQ, but certainly 
 do read them to be sure.
 
 Reg
 
 On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
> Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina 
> model this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much 
> else, maybe iphoto and itunes. 
> 
> I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of 
> Migration Assistant but haven't used it. 
> 
> Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there 
> another way.
> 
> Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
> 
> I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by 
> step instructions.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
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[Daniel Kerr]

iTunes music data is stored in your User directory, so that will go as long as 
you select all user data.
It won't copy over Applications already there. Only the ones not preinstalled, 
or the ones you've added. If they're older Applications that won't run in ML, 
it will copy them over but put a "no go" over the icon to show it's no longer 
useable, in which case it would need updated or the latest version installed.

Shame you don't have a Firewire cable, it's a lot faster,..lol. But then I'm 
thinking from my point of view where I need to turn them around quickly,..hehe.

But you can't selectively choose Applications, it just takes all or nothing. 
(but as mentioned, won't do newer ones there).

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 5

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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Apple**

On 15/03/2013, at 7:22 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Thanks Daniel and Reg. Tonight I will embark on the migration. I done thave 
> either Firewire of Thunderbolt leads but have an ethernet so will use that 
> method.
> 
> I have a question. I watched a youtube clip of the migration assistant and it 
> looks easy. If I select "Applications" to migrate, then does it copy over say 
> iTunes over the preloaded iTunes? I do need some applications migrated, like 
> Net Nanny, Office for Mac and probably some others so I need to select 
> "Applications" to migrate. Can I selectively choose which applications to 
> copy over or is it clever and does a version check and then not copy over 
> stuff already in place?
> 
> Please advise.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/03/2013, at 8:25 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Or as it's a non Retina Display, use Firewire. (if you have a firewire 
>> cable, and as long as it's one of the MacBook's that had Firewire).
>> Start the old computer into Firewire Target Mode (restart the old computer 
>> with the T key held down). You'll see a Firewire symbol bouncing around the 
>> screen.
>> Plug in a Firewire cable to the old computer.
>> Plug the Firewire cable into the new computer. Start it up.
>> You'll be asked if you want to transfer the data and how you want to 
>> transfer it. Choose "from another Drive or Disk" (surprisingly it won't show 
>> up if you choose "From a Mac"). It's the third option down from memory.
>> It will then locate the other laptop and then start loading sizes of files.
>> Click Continue and follow your nose through it and it will start copying all 
>> the files.
>> 
>> All going well that should then work.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> On 14/03/2013, at 8:12 PM, Reg Whitely  wrote:
>> 
>>> In addition Peter, Using Migration Assistant to shift all your file and 
>>> apps might take a few hours (my full transfer took over 12 hours using 
>>> wifi) so decide what you really need to transfer, and if you can do 
>>> Ethernet transfer, that should be faster.
>>> 
>>> Migration Assistant is quite easy to use without Apple FAQ, but certainly 
>>> do read them to be sure.
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina model 
 this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much else, 
 maybe iphoto and itunes. 
 
 I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of 
 Migration Assistant but haven't used it. 
 
 Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there 
 another way.
 
 Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
 
 I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by 
 step instructions.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
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>>> 
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Re: New Macbook Pro

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Daniel and Reg. Tonight I will embark on the migration. I done thave 
either Firewire of Thunderbolt leads but have an ethernet so will use that 
method.

I have a question. I watched a youtube clip of the migration assistant and it 
looks easy. If I select "Applications" to migrate, then does it copy over say 
iTunes over the preloaded iTunes? I do need some applications migrated, like 
Net Nanny, Office for Mac and probably some others so I need to select 
"Applications" to migrate. Can I selectively choose which applications to copy 
over or is it clever and does a version check and then not copy over stuff 
already in place?

Please advise.

Regards

Pete.



On 14/03/2013, at 8:25 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Or as it's a non Retina Display, use Firewire. (if you have a firewire cable, 
> and as long as it's one of the MacBook's that had Firewire).
> Start the old computer into Firewire Target Mode (restart the old computer 
> with the T key held down). You'll see a Firewire symbol bouncing around the 
> screen.
> Plug in a Firewire cable to the old computer.
> Plug the Firewire cable into the new computer. Start it up.
> You'll be asked if you want to transfer the data and how you want to transfer 
> it. Choose "from another Drive or Disk" (surprisingly it won't show up if you 
> choose "From a Mac"). It's the third option down from memory.
> It will then locate the other laptop and then start loading sizes of files.
> Click Continue and follow your nose through it and it will start copying all 
> the files.
> 
> All going well that should then work.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> On 14/03/2013, at 8:12 PM, Reg Whitely  wrote:
> 
>> In addition Peter, Using Migration Assistant to shift all your file and apps 
>> might take a few hours (my full transfer took over 12 hours using wifi) so 
>> decide what you really need to transfer, and if you can do Ethernet 
>> transfer, that should be faster.
>> 
>> Migration Assistant is quite easy to use without Apple FAQ, but certainly do 
>> read them to be sure.
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina model 
>>> this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much else, 
>>> maybe iphoto and itunes. 
>>> 
>>> I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of 
>>> Migration Assistant but haven't used it. 
>>> 
>>> Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there another 
>>> way.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
>>> 
>>> I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by step 
>>> instructions.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete.
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>> 
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Or as it's a non Retina Display, use Firewire. (if you have a firewire cable, 
and as long as it's one of the MacBook's that had Firewire).
Start the old computer into Firewire Target Mode (restart the old computer with 
the T key held down). You'll see a Firewire symbol bouncing around the screen.
Plug in a Firewire cable to the old computer.
Plug the Firewire cable into the new computer. Start it up.
You'll be asked if you want to transfer the data and how you want to transfer 
it. Choose "from another Drive or Disk" (surprisingly it won't show up if you 
choose "From a Mac"). It's the third option down from memory.
It will then locate the other laptop and then start loading sizes of files.
Click Continue and follow your nose through it and it will start copying all 
the files.

All going well that should then work.

Kind regards
Daniel
---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Apple**

On 14/03/2013, at 8:12 PM, Reg Whitely  wrote:

> In addition Peter, Using Migration Assistant to shift all your file and apps 
> might take a few hours (my full transfer took over 12 hours using wifi) so 
> decide what you really need to transfer, and if you can do Ethernet transfer, 
> that should be faster.
> 
> Migration Assistant is quite easy to use without Apple FAQ, but certainly do 
> read them to be sure.
> 
> Reg
> 
> On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina model 
>> this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much else, 
>> maybe iphoto and itunes. 
>> 
>> I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of Migration 
>> Assistant but haven't used it. 
>> 
>> Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there another 
>> way.
>> 
>> Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
>> 
>> I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by step 
>> instructions.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
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[Reg Whitely]

In addition Peter, Using Migration Assistant to shift all your file and apps 
might take a few hours (my full transfer took over 12 hours using wifi) so 
decide what you really need to transfer, and if you can do Ethernet transfer, 
that should be faster.

Migration Assistant is quite easy to use without Apple FAQ, but certainly do 
read them to be sure.

Reg

On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina model 
> this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much else, maybe 
> iphoto and itunes. 
> 
> I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of Migration 
> Assistant but haven't used it. 
> 
> Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there another 
> way.
> 
> Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
> 
> I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by step 
> instructions.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
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[Reg Whitely]

Yes Peter, that's the best way to do in my recent experience, but really do 
make sure you do a full backup first. I used Carbon Copy Cloner 
http://www.bombich.com/ to make a bootable backup on an external drive as well, 
so if all goes crooked, you can start again. 

Good luck with the migration, and enjoy the new computer,

Reg

On 14/03/2013, at 7:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an new MB Pro - 13" non-retina model 
> this eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much else, maybe 
> iphoto and itunes. 
> 
> I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of Migration 
> Assistant but haven't used it. 
> 
> Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there another 
> way.
> 
> Let me know if this is the way I should do it?
> 
> I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by step 
> instructions.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
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New Macbook Pro

[Peter Crisp]

Hi all, I went out and bought my wife an ew MB Pro - 13" non-retina model this 
eve. She has the need for mail and web browsing and not much else, maybe iphoto 
and itunes. 

I need to migrate her 2009 Macbook data to this new one. I know of Migration 
Assistant but haven't used it. 

Is this the way I should move the data between machines or is there another way.

Let me know if this is the way I should do it?

I'll have a look at the Apple site, I am sure it will give the step by step 
instructions.

Regards

Pete.
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Re: I'm tempted by the new MacBook Pro: Anyone interested in my lovely MBP 15" 2011 Model

[Reg Whitely]

Hi everyone

I'm still interested in this but have received little response. I would like to 
know what would be a reasonable price for my MacBook Pro. 

I have been referred to http://www.mac2sell.net/ for pricing but as it 
advertises MacKeeper, I am suspicious of it.

It suggests my MacBook Pro is worth around $1140.

Any comments?

Reg

On 14/02/2013, at 7:56 pm, Reg Whitely  wrote:

> Hi WAMUGgers
> 
> This is a first impression but I'm tempted to trade up to a new MBP for my 
> retirement. Yes, I am a gentleman of leisure after 39 years with our Ed Dept.
> 
> http://www.apple.com/au/macbook-pro/specs-retina/
> 
> I have no idea of value but it is a very well looked after 2011 MacBook Pro 
> 15", specs below. To buy a new one would necessitate selling this one.
> 
> Is there anyone interested, with a fair offer?
> 
> I welcome comments on-list, and offers off-list.
> 
> Regards, Reg
> 
> Model Name:   MacBook Pro 15"
>  Model Identifier:MacBookPro8,2
>  Processor Name:  Intel Core i7
>  Processor Speed: 2.2 GHz
>  Number of Processors:1
>  Total Number of Cores:   4
>  L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
>  L3 Cache:6 MB
>  Memory:  8 GB
> Serial - ATA
> Capacity: 750.16 GB (750,156,374,016 bytes)
> Model:TOSHIBA MK7559GSXF   
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
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[Reg Whitely]

Hi WAMUGgers

This is a first impression but I'm tempted to trade up to a new MBP for my 
retirement. Yes, I am a gentleman of leisure after 39 years with our Ed Dept.

http://www.apple.com/au/macbook-pro/specs-retina/

I have no idea of value but it is a very well looked after 2011 MacBook Pro 
15", specs below. To buy a new one would necessitate selling this one.

Is there anyone interested, with a fair offer?

I welcome comments on-list, and offers off-list.

Regards, Reg

Model Name: MacBook Pro 15"
  Model Identifier: MacBookPro8,2
  Processor Name:   Intel Core i7
  Processor Speed:  2.2 GHz
  Number of Processors: 1
  Total Number of Cores:4
  L2 Cache (per Core):  256 KB
  L3 Cache: 6 MB
  Memory:   8 GB
Serial - ATA
Capacity:   750.16 GB (750,156,374,016 bytes)
Model:  TOSHIBA MK7559GSXF   

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



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Re: new macbook pros

[Rod Kevill]

And Computer World still has stock (minus 1 that I bought last night!)

http://www.cworld.com.au/products/Laptop/17+inch/Apple

Rod


On 15/06/2012, at 12:58 PM, David Wood wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Have you tried Zero Three in Victoria for 17" Macbook Pro.  1300  
> 036227 - a friend of a friend managed to secure one from them  
> yesterday.
>
> David
>
>
> On 15/06/2012, at 10:22 AM, cm wrote:
>
> Yes, true. There is always a risk involved when buying refurbished.  
> Sometimes they have been returned with a problem and repaired. If  
> you are lucky they have been returned because the user changed their  
> mind about the screen size or about switching from Windows -- but of  
> course one will never know when you buy a refurbished model.
>
> Regards,
> Carlo
>
> On 15/06/2012, at 10:19 , Ronda Brown wrote:
>
>> Yes Carlo, but they are refurbished 17" MacBook Pros... not new!  
>> That is a big difference.
>> I know they come with the full Apple Warranty - 12 months hardware  
>> etc, but I want a new MacBook Pro NOT a refurbished MBP :(
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>>
>> On 15/06/2012, at 10:13 AM, cm wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, you're right. I got the wrong terminology for the warranties.  
>>> You can thank me later for pointing you to the last of the 17"  
>>> MacBook Pro in stock. :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>>
>>> On 15/06/2012, at 10:08 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Carlo
>>>>
>>>> Not meaning to be pedantic, or sound like I"m being rude,…
>>>> but I think you mean "full Apple warranty". (i.e. 12 months  
>>>> hardware warranty and 90 days Apple phone support).
>>>> "AppleCare" warranty is the extended warranty that is 3 years  
>>>> hardware and phone support.
>>>> (Which you can still purchase on the refurb units as well,..)
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to clarify that just incase. :o)
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>> MacWizardry
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>> Email: 
>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>>
>>>> On 15/06/2012, at 9:59 AM, cm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you still want a 17" MacBook Pro they appear to be available  
>>>>> still as refurbished models. They come with the full AppleCare  
>>>>> warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC723
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/06/2012, at 22:09 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ronni
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, knew you wouldn't be a very happy vegemite. (Could double  
>>>>>> tell seeing as you posted the same link from my message as  
>>>>>> well :oP) LOL. (Sorry, couldn't resist,…must be that lack of  
>>>>>> sleep from storms and no food or coffee) :oP
>>>>>> I think there are quite a few "let down" MacBook Pro 17"  
>>>>>> owners, who are having to look at the 15" MBP-RD. Or a 15" with  
>>>>>> an external screen,…which doesn't always work for every  
>>>>>> environment. One of my clients only works with her laptop on  
>>>>>> the kitchen table then puts it away when people come over. So  
>>>>>> looking at a 15" with external screen isn't really an option as  
>>>>>> it's too much to lug around to put it away. So a downgrade from  
>>>>>> 17" to 15" isn't her most favourite option either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And not many places have the just superseded 17" left  in  
>>>>>> Perth. (Wholesalers didn't, Joondalup didn't, MaxStyle  
>>>>>> didn't,..bar the previous model ex demo). Stocks were pretty  
>>>>>> much out before it was discontinued,…)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So yeh,..can understand where you're coming from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> ---
>>&

Re: new macbook pros

[David Wood]

Hi all,

Have you tried Zero Three in Victoria for 17" Macbook Pro.  1300 036227 - a 
friend of a friend managed to secure one from them yesterday.

David


On 15/06/2012, at 10:22 AM, cm wrote:

Yes, true. There is always a risk involved when buying refurbished. Sometimes 
they have been returned with a problem and repaired. If you are lucky they have 
been returned because the user changed their mind about the screen size or 
about switching from Windows -- but of course one will never know when you buy 
a refurbished model.

Regards,
Carlo

On 15/06/2012, at 10:19 , Ronda Brown wrote:

> Yes Carlo, but they are refurbished 17" MacBook Pros... not new! That is a 
> big difference.
> I know they come with the full Apple Warranty - 12 months hardware etc, but I 
> want a new MacBook Pro NOT a refurbished MBP :(
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 15/06/2012, at 10:13 AM, cm wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you're right. I got the wrong terminology for the warranties. You can 
>> thank me later for pointing you to the last of the 17" MacBook Pro in stock. 
>> :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 15/06/2012, at 10:08 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carlo
>>> 
>>> Not meaning to be pedantic, or sound like I"m being rude,…
>>> but I think you mean "full Apple warranty". (i.e. 12 months hardware 
>>> warranty and 90 days Apple phone support).
>>> "AppleCare" warranty is the extended warranty that is 3 years hardware and 
>>> phone support.
>>> (Which you can still purchase on the refurb units as well,..)
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to clarify that just incase. :o)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 15/06/2012, at 9:59 AM, cm wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> If you still want a 17" MacBook Pro they appear to be available still as 
>>>> refurbished models. They come with the full AppleCare warranty.
>>>> 
>>>> http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC723
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> On 14/06/2012, at 22:09 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ronni
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, knew you wouldn't be a very happy vegemite. (Could double tell 
>>>>> seeing as you posted the same link from my message as well :oP) LOL. 
>>>>> (Sorry, couldn't resist,…must be that lack of sleep from storms and no 
>>>>> food or coffee) :oP
>>>>> I think there are quite a few "let down" MacBook Pro 17" owners, who are 
>>>>> having to look at the 15" MBP-RD. Or a 15" with an external screen,…which 
>>>>> doesn't always work for every environment. One of my clients only works 
>>>>> with her laptop on the kitchen table then puts it away when people come 
>>>>> over. So looking at a 15" with external screen isn't really an option as 
>>>>> it's too much to lug around to put it away. So a downgrade from 17" to 
>>>>> 15" isn't her most favourite option either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And not many places have the just superseded 17" left  in Perth. 
>>>>> (Wholesalers didn't, Joondalup didn't, MaxStyle didn't,..bar the previous 
>>>>> model ex demo). Stocks were pretty much out before it was discontinued,…)
>>>>> 
>>>>> So yeh,..can understand where you're coming from.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>>> MacWizardry
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>>> Email: 
>>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14/06/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am so disappointed that Apple are discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro. I 
>>>>>> have been waiting for an upgrade to be announced.
>>>>>> Dr

Re: new macbook pros

[cm]

Yes, true. There is always a risk involved when buying refurbished. Sometimes 
they have been returned with a problem and repaired. If you are lucky they have 
been returned because the user changed their mind about the screen size or 
about switching from Windows -- but of course one will never know when you buy 
a refurbished model.

Regards,
Carlo

On 15/06/2012, at 10:19 , Ronda Brown wrote:

> Yes Carlo, but they are refurbished 17" MacBook Pros... not new! That is a 
> big difference.
> I know they come with the full Apple Warranty - 12 months hardware etc, but I 
> want a new MacBook Pro NOT a refurbished MBP :(
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 15/06/2012, at 10:13 AM, cm wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you're right. I got the wrong terminology for the warranties. You can 
>> thank me later for pointing you to the last of the 17" MacBook Pro in stock. 
>> :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 15/06/2012, at 10:08 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carlo
>>> 
>>> Not meaning to be pedantic, or sound like I"m being rude,…
>>> but I think you mean "full Apple warranty". (i.e. 12 months hardware 
>>> warranty and 90 days Apple phone support).
>>> "AppleCare" warranty is the extended warranty that is 3 years hardware and 
>>> phone support.
>>> (Which you can still purchase on the refurb units as well,..)
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to clarify that just incase. :o)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 15/06/2012, at 9:59 AM, cm wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> If you still want a 17" MacBook Pro they appear to be available still as 
>>>> refurbished models. They come with the full AppleCare warranty.
>>>> 
>>>> http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC723
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> On 14/06/2012, at 22:09 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ronni
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, knew you wouldn't be a very happy vegemite. (Could double tell 
>>>>> seeing as you posted the same link from my message as well :oP) LOL. 
>>>>> (Sorry, couldn't resist,…must be that lack of sleep from storms and no 
>>>>> food or coffee) :oP
>>>>> I think there are quite a few "let down" MacBook Pro 17" owners, who are 
>>>>> having to look at the 15" MBP-RD. Or a 15" with an external screen,…which 
>>>>> doesn't always work for every environment. One of my clients only works 
>>>>> with her laptop on the kitchen table then puts it away when people come 
>>>>> over. So looking at a 15" with external screen isn't really an option as 
>>>>> it's too much to lug around to put it away. So a downgrade from 17" to 
>>>>> 15" isn't her most favourite option either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And not many places have the just superseded 17" left  in Perth. 
>>>>> (Wholesalers didn't, Joondalup didn't, MaxStyle didn't,..bar the previous 
>>>>> model ex demo). Stocks were pretty much out before it was discontinued,…)
>>>>> 
>>>>> So yeh,..can understand where you're coming from.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>>> MacWizardry
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>>> Email: 
>>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14/06/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am so disappointed that Apple are discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro. I 
>>>>>> have been waiting for an upgrade to be announced.
>>>>>> Dropping support for their top of the range, two highest professional 
>>>>>> Computers, the Mac Pro & 17" MacBook Pro. Purely because they don't sell 
>>>>>>

Re: new macbook pros

[Daniel Kerr]

;> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The rarefied field of the computer service person is not for 
>>>>>>>>> everyone. I also operate in the field and have a kit of accessories 
>>>>>>>>> that I bring along, but I would point out that the older MBP is not 
>>>>>>>>> that far ahead even for this purpose. The kit of accessories for 
>>>>>>>>> either MBP still requires that you bring an assortment of cables, 
>>>>>>>>> thumb-drive, and one or more external hard-drives.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Here are some points to note.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * If weight is your concern the Retina MBP starts out life a full 
>>>>>>>>> half a kilo (one pound imperial) lighter than the older MBP!
>>>>>>>>> * The old MBP does not have that many extra ports. It has one fewer 
>>>>>>>>> thunderbolt port and it lacks the HDMI port of the Retina MBP. The 
>>>>>>>>> only extra ports are Firewire 800 and ethernet. These are available 
>>>>>>>>> to the Retina MBP via thunderbolt adaptors.
>>>>>>>>> * A big advantage of flash drives over mechanical ones is that they 
>>>>>>>>> are physically more robust and thus less prone to damage by rough 
>>>>>>>>> handling or dropping.
>>>>>>>>> * Flash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more quickly.
>>>>>>>>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP then 
>>>>>>>>> you lose the optical drive.
>>>>>>>>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to bring 
>>>>>>>>> along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be prepared for 
>>>>>>>>> all contingencies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that they 
>>>>>>>>> are cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that 
>>>>>>>>> advantage will likely evaporate too.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are 
>>>>>>>>>> good and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" 
>>>>>>>>>> usage. And what you don't mind "losing" to "gain".
>>>>>>>>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display 
>>>>>>>>>> (MBP-RD) actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> comparing both $2499 models).
>>>>>>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 
>>>>>>>>>> with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that 
>>>>>>>>>> part is the same on both models.
>>>>>>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 
>>>>>>>>>> 16GB RAM as well. 
>>>>>>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go 
>>>>>>>>>> to 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And 
>>>>>>>>>> it runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as 
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz 
>>>>>>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world 
>>>>>>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task.
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash 
>>>>>>>>>> Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it 
>>

Re: new macbook pros

[Ronda Brown]

Yes Carlo, but they are refurbished 17" MacBook Pros... not new! That is a big 
difference.
I know they come with the full Apple Warranty - 12 months hardware etc, but I 
want a new MacBook Pro NOT a refurbished MBP :(

Cheers,
Ronni
 
On 15/06/2012, at 10:13 AM, cm wrote:

> Yes, you're right. I got the wrong terminology for the warranties. You can 
> thank me later for pointing you to the last of the 17" MacBook Pro in stock. 
> :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> On 15/06/2012, at 10:08 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo
>> 
>> Not meaning to be pedantic, or sound like I"m being rude,…
>> but I think you mean "full Apple warranty". (i.e. 12 months hardware 
>> warranty and 90 days Apple phone support).
>> "AppleCare" warranty is the extended warranty that is 3 years hardware and 
>> phone support.
>> (Which you can still purchase on the refurb units as well,..)
>> 
>> Just wanted to clarify that just incase. :o)
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> On 15/06/2012, at 9:59 AM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> If you still want a 17" MacBook Pro they appear to be available still as 
>>> refurbished models. They come with the full AppleCare warranty.
>>> 
>>> http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC723
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> On 14/06/2012, at 22:09 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ronni
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, knew you wouldn't be a very happy vegemite. (Could double tell seeing 
>>>> as you posted the same link from my message as well :oP) LOL. (Sorry, 
>>>> couldn't resist,…must be that lack of sleep from storms and no food or 
>>>> coffee) :oP
>>>> I think there are quite a few "let down" MacBook Pro 17" owners, who are 
>>>> having to look at the 15" MBP-RD. Or a 15" with an external screen,…which 
>>>> doesn't always work for every environment. One of my clients only works 
>>>> with her laptop on the kitchen table then puts it away when people come 
>>>> over. So looking at a 15" with external screen isn't really an option as 
>>>> it's too much to lug around to put it away. So a downgrade from 17" to 15" 
>>>> isn't her most favourite option either.
>>>> 
>>>> And not many places have the just superseded 17" left  in Perth. 
>>>> (Wholesalers didn't, Joondalup didn't, MaxStyle didn't,..bar the previous 
>>>> model ex demo). Stocks were pretty much out before it was discontinued,…)
>>>> 
>>>> So yeh,..can understand where you're coming from.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Daniel
>>>> ---
>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>> MacWizardry
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>> Email: 
>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>> 
>>>> On 14/06/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am so disappointed that Apple are discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro. I 
>>>>> have been waiting for an upgrade to be announced.
>>>>> Dropping support for their top of the range, two highest professional 
>>>>> Computers, the Mac Pro & 17" MacBook Pro. Purely because they don't sell 
>>>>> as many as other models!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple are now catering for the multi media, social media customers, not 
>>>>> the professional users.
>>>>> I have always updated every one of laptops; 17" PowerBook, 17" MacBook 
>>>>> Pro to latest models when released. Now Apple want to force me to use a 
>>>>> 15" MacBook Pro... When I want the extra size screen ... A 17" screen! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ronni is NOT a Happy Little Vegemite :(
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some interesting reviews at AnandTech.
>>>>> 
>>>>> MacBook Pro Retina Display Analysis
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/mac

Re: new macbook pros

[cm]

ash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more quickly.
>>>>>>>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP then 
>>>>>>>> you lose the optical drive.
>>>>>>>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to bring 
>>>>>>>> along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be prepared for 
>>>>>>>> all contingencies.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that they 
>>>>>>>> are cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that advantage 
>>>>>>>> will likely evaporate too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are 
>>>>>>>>> good and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" 
>>>>>>>>> usage. And what you don't mind "losing" to "gain".
>>>>>>>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display 
>>>>>>>>> (MBP-RD) actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm 
>>>>>>>>> comparing both $2499 models).
>>>>>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 
>>>>>>>>> with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that 
>>>>>>>>> part is the same on both models.
>>>>>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 
>>>>>>>>> 16GB RAM as well. 
>>>>>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go 
>>>>>>>>> to 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it 
>>>>>>>>> runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz 
>>>>>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world 
>>>>>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task.
>>>>>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash 
>>>>>>>>> Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it 
>>>>>>>>> would cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" 
>>>>>>>>> MacBookPro. So data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure 
>>>>>>>>> how much of a difference Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world 
>>>>>>>>> tests" accounts for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to go 
>>>>>>>>> look it up,…lol).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some 
>>>>>>>>> people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field 
>>>>>>>>> they're in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, 
>>>>>>>>> Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone 
>>>>>>>>> and it comes down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang 
>>>>>>>>> off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of 
>>>>>>>>> use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to 
>>>>>>>>> Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt 
>>>>>>>>> Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But 
>>>>>>>>> again, in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various 
>>>>>>>>> forums a lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want 
>>>>>>>>> these things. They (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without 
>>>>>>>>> adding to it. And if you leave it behind or it "drops off" during a 

Re: new macbook pros

[Daniel Kerr]

phics card pretty much. (I'm 
>>>>>>>> comparing both $2499 models).
>>>>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 
>>>>>>>> with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that 
>>>>>>>> part is the same on both models.
>>>>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 16GB 
>>>>>>>> RAM as well. 
>>>>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go to 
>>>>>>>> 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it 
>>>>>>>> runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz 
>>>>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world 
>>>>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task.
>>>>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash 
>>>>>>>> Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would 
>>>>>>>> cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So 
>>>>>>>> data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a 
>>>>>>>> difference Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world tests" accounts 
>>>>>>>> for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to go look it up,…lol).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some 
>>>>>>>> people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field 
>>>>>>>> they're in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, 
>>>>>>>> Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone and 
>>>>>>>> it comes down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang off 
>>>>>>>> adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of use 
>>>>>>>> and quick access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to 
>>>>>>>> Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt 
>>>>>>>> Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But again, 
>>>>>>>> in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various forums a 
>>>>>>>> lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want these 
>>>>>>>> things. They (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without adding 
>>>>>>>> to it. And if you leave it behind or it "drops off" during a transfer, 
>>>>>>>> you've wasted time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). "Oh sorry, I 
>>>>>>>> can't access your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to 
>>>>>>>> Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have to come back"). 
>>>>>>>> Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both 
>>>>>>>> sides of the coin.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know 
>>>>>>>> I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down 
>>>>>>>> and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want 
>>>>>>>> out of the laptop. What features are the "must have" and what features 
>>>>>>>> are the "can work around or live with". Is the Retina Display going to 
>>>>>>>> be "huge" in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for 
>>>>>>>> "legacy items" in the type of work I do. (How much more weight can my 
>>>>>>>> back support in all the extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new 
>>>>>>>> MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from 
>>>>>>>> there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
>>>>>>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
>>>>>>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the 
>>>>>>>> night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>>> MacWizardry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>>>>>> Email: 
>>>>>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or 
>>>>>>>>> Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina 
>>>>>>>>> Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor 
>>>>>>>>> power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the 
>>>>>>>>> still long battery life given the retina display seem more 
>>>>>>>>> reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete 
>>>>>>>>> graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) 
>>>>>>>>> will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by 
>>>>>>>>> more and more apps.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is 
>>>>>>>>> the best computer that Apple has ever produced.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy 
>>>>>>>>> pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Blitto
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Pedro
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
>>>>>>>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
>>>>>>>>>>> why?tablitto
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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Re: new macbook pros

[cm]

t;>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 11:57 PM, cm wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The rarefied field of the computer service person is not for everyone. I 
>>>>>> also operate in the field and have a kit of accessories that I bring 
>>>>>> along, but I would point out that the older MBP is not that far ahead 
>>>>>> even for this purpose. The kit of accessories for either MBP still 
>>>>>> requires that you bring an assortment of cables, thumb-drive, and one or 
>>>>>> more external hard-drives.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here are some points to note.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * If weight is your concern the Retina MBP starts out life a full half a 
>>>>>> kilo (one pound imperial) lighter than the older MBP!
>>>>>> * The old MBP does not have that many extra ports. It has one fewer 
>>>>>> thunderbolt port and it lacks the HDMI port of the Retina MBP. The only 
>>>>>> extra ports are Firewire 800 and ethernet. These are available to the 
>>>>>> Retina MBP via thunderbolt adaptors.
>>>>>> * A big advantage of flash drives over mechanical ones is that they are 
>>>>>> physically more robust and thus less prone to damage by rough handling 
>>>>>> or dropping.
>>>>>> * Flash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more quickly.
>>>>>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP then you 
>>>>>> lose the optical drive.
>>>>>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to bring 
>>>>>> along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be prepared for 
>>>>>> all contingencies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that they are 
>>>>>> cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that advantage will 
>>>>>> likely evaporate too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are good 
>>>>>>> and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" usage. And 
>>>>>>> what you don't mind "losing" to "gain".
>>>>>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display 
>>>>>>> (MBP-RD) actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm 
>>>>>>> comparing both $2499 models).
>>>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 
>>>>>>> with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that part 
>>>>>>> is the same on both models.
>>>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 16GB 
>>>>>>> RAM as well. 
>>>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go to 
>>>>>>> 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it runs 
>>>>>>> fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz 
>>>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world 
>>>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task.
>>>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash 
>>>>>>> Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would 
>>>>>>> cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So 
>>>>>>> data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a 
>>>>>>> difference Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world tests" accounts 
>>>>>>> for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to go look it up,…lol).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some 
>>>>>>> people that are

Re: new macbook pros

[Daniel Kerr]

>>>>> * A big advantage of flash drives over mechanical ones is that they are 
>>>>> physically more robust and thus less prone to damage by rough handling or 
>>>>> dropping.
>>>>> * Flash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more quickly.
>>>>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP then you 
>>>>> lose the optical drive.
>>>>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to bring 
>>>>> along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be prepared for all 
>>>>> contingencies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that they are 
>>>>> cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that advantage will 
>>>>> likely evaporate too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are good 
>>>>>> and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" usage. And 
>>>>>> what you don't mind "losing" to "gain".
>>>>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display (MBP-RD) 
>>>>>> actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm comparing both 
>>>>>> $2499 models).
>>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 
>>>>>> 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that part is 
>>>>>> the same on both models.
>>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 16GB 
>>>>>> RAM as well. 
>>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go to 
>>>>>> 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it runs 
>>>>>> fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz 
>>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world 
>>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task.
>>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash Storage 
>>>>>> built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would cost $480 
>>>>>> to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So data access 
>>>>>> would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a difference 
>>>>>> Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world tests" accounts for…that and my 
>>>>>> brain is in almost sleep mode to go look it up,…lol).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some 
>>>>>> people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field they're 
>>>>>> in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, Ethernet, 
>>>>>> Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone and it comes 
>>>>>> down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang off adapters of 
>>>>>> the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of use and quick 
>>>>>> access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to Firewire800 
>>>>>> adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. 
>>>>>> Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But again, in some 
>>>>>> circumstances some people do. On the read of various forums a lot of 
>>>>>> mobile editors and tech support people do still want these things. They 
>>>>>> (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without adding to it. And if 
>>>>>> you leave it behind or it "drops off" during a transfer, you've wasted 
>>>>>> time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). "Oh sorry, I can't access 
>>>>>> your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter 
>>>>>> with my last client. I'll have to come back"). Again, this won't affect 
>>>>>> everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both side

Re: new macbook pros

[Ronda Brown]

gt;>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz 
>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world speeds, 
>>>>> would depend on the task.
>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash Storage 
>>>>> built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would cost $480 
>>>>> to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So data access 
>>>>> would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a difference Flash 
>>>>> Storage versus SSD in "real world tests" accounts for…that and my brain 
>>>>> is in almost sleep mode to go look it up,…lol).
>>>>> 
>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some 
>>>>> people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field they're 
>>>>> in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, Ethernet, 
>>>>> Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone and it comes 
>>>>> down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang off adapters of 
>>>>> the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of use and quick access. 
>>>>> Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter, a 
>>>>> Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. Sure, not 
>>>>> everyone has use for these things. But again, in some circumstances some 
>>>>> people do. On the read of various forums a lot of mobile editors and tech 
>>>>> support people do still want these things. They (we?) carry enough stuff 
>>>>> around in our bag without adding to it. And if you leave it behind or it 
>>>>> "drops off" during a transfer, you've wasted time. (And time is money as 
>>>>> they say,…lol). "Oh sorry, I can't access your Firewire drive today, I 
>>>>> left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have 
>>>>> to come back"). Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to 
>>>>> point out both sides of the coin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know I've 
>>>>> looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down and 
>>>>> weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want out of 
>>>>> the laptop. What features are the "must have" and what features are the 
>>>>> "can work around or live with". Is the Retina Display going to be "huge" 
>>>>> in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for "legacy items" 
>>>>> in the type of work I do. (How much more weight can my back support in 
>>>>> all the extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new 
>>>>> MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there 
>>>>> I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
>>>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
>>>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the night 
>>>>> and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>>> MacWizardry
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>>> Email: 
>>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or 
>>>>>> Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display 
>>>>>> MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the 
>>>>>> fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long 
>>>>>> battery life given

Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[Daniel Kerr]

> StaticIce is showing only four entries:
>> <
>> http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Apple+17%22+macbook+pro&sp
>> os=1>
>> 
>> And they are all over east ;o(
>> 
>> Of these however, if you follow the store links, the only retailer still
>> showing the 17" product (in 3 configurations) is Computer world:
>> <https://www.cworld.com.au/products/Laptop/17%20inch/Apple>
>> 
>> Of course, not all sellers are StaticIce members, and I'm not suggesting
>> this retailer as a good place to buy a mac - just an indication of how
>> scarce they seem to be - even ebay is only showing
>>> 27 results found for
>>> apple macbook pro, 17 inches, Brand New
>> 
>> So... Good luck!
>> of course, if you ask him nicely, Daniel will know where to look ;o)
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> --
>> Neil R. Houghton
>> Albany, Western Australia
>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>> Email: n...@possumology.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 13/6/12 10:21 PM, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Shane
>>> 
>>> You should you be able, if there is stock still around. They were pretty
>>> constrained before "discontinued".
>>> One of the wholesaler I know has none left in Australia.
>>> I'm checking for a client to see if anyone has some tomorrow to source
>> it for
>>> him if they do.
>>> But I think thats the only way you'd find one,..is if someone has one
>> "kicking
>>> around".
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:
>>> 
>>>> mmm
>>>> maxed out new 17" ivy bridge MBPŠ if only.
>>>> Damn!
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone know where I can still get a "latest" model 17" before they all
>>>> disappear? Not sure that the 15", however snazzy it is, will do the job
>> I
>>>> need.
>>>> I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see
>> what it
>>>> is like.
>>>> 
>>>> Shayne
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
>>>>> and now from iFixit quote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ² the least
>> repairable
>>>>> laptop² its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
>>>>> 
>>>>> and
>>>>> some of the ³highlights² of the tear down detailing the difficulties
>> with
>>>>> repairability:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
>>>>> Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine¹s internals.
>> That
>>>>> means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
>>>>> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max
>> out
>>>>> at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace‹you can¹t upgrade.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * The proprietary SSD isn¹t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar
>> but
>>>>> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
>>>>> we¹re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the
>> case,
>>>>> which increases the chances that it¹ll break during disassembly. The
>>>>> battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases
>> the
>>>>> chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there¹s no glass
>>>>> protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will
>> need to
>>>>> replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
>>>>> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks
>> Daniel),
>>>>> 
>>>>> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brian
>>>>> 
>> 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[S Beach]

> > Phone: 0414 795 960
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> >
> > **For everything Apple**
> >
> > On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:
> >
> >> mmm
> >> maxed out new 17" ivy bridge MBPŠ if only.
> >> Damn!
> >>
> >> Anyone know where I can still get a "latest" model 17" before they all
> >> disappear? Not sure that the 15", however snazzy it is, will do the job
> I
> >> need.
> >> I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see
> what it
> >> is like.
> >>
> >> Shayne
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
> >>> and now from iFixit quote:
> >>>
> >>> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ² the least
> repairable
> >>> laptop² its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>> some of the ³highlights² of the tear down detailing the difficulties
> with
> >>> repairability:
> >>>
> >>> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
> >>> Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine¹s internals.
> That
> >>> means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
> >>> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max
> out
> >>> at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace‹you can¹t upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> * The proprietary SSD isn¹t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar
> but
> >>> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
> >>> we¹re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
> >>>
> >>> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the
> case,
> >>> which increases the chances that it¹ll break during disassembly. The
> >>> battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases
> the
> >>> chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
> >>>
> >>> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there¹s no glass
> >>> protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will
> need to
> >>> replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
> >>> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks
> Daniel),
> >>>
> >>> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>>
>
>
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Shane,

You might have to be quick!!

StaticIce is showing only four entries:
<http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Apple+17%22+macbook+pro&sp
os=1>

And they are all over east ;o(

Of these however, if you follow the store links, the only retailer still
showing the 17" product (in 3 configurations) is Computer world:
<https://www.cworld.com.au/products/Laptop/17%20inch/Apple>

Of course, not all sellers are StaticIce members, and I'm not suggesting
this retailer as a good place to buy a mac - just an indication of how
scarce they seem to be - even ebay is only showing
> 27 results found for
> apple macbook pro, 17 inches, Brand New

So... Good luck!
of course, if you ask him nicely, Daniel will know where to look ;o)


Cheers



Neil
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on 13/6/12 10:21 PM, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:

> Hi Shane
> 
> You should you be able, if there is stock still around. They were pretty
> constrained before "discontinued".
> One of the wholesaler I know has none left in Australia.
> I'm checking for a client to see if anyone has some tomorrow to source it for
> him if they do. 
> But I think thats the only way you'd find one,..is if someone has one "kicking
> around".
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:
> 
>> mmm
>> maxed out new 17" ivy bridge MBPŠ if only.
>> Damn!
>> 
>> Anyone know where I can still get a "latest" model 17" before they all
>> disappear? Not sure that the 15", however snazzy it is, will do the job I
>> need.
>> I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see what it
>> is like.
>> 
>> Shayne
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
>>> and now from iFixit quote:
>>> 
>>> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ² the least repairable
>>> laptop² its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
>>> 
>>> and
>>> some of the ³highlights² of the tear down detailing the difficulties with
>>> repairability:
>>> 
>>> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
>>> Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine¹s internals. That
>>> means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
>>> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out
>>> at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace‹you can¹t upgrade.
>>> 
>>> * The proprietary SSD isn¹t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but
>>> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
>>> we¹re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
>>> 
>>> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case,
>>> which increases the chances that it¹ll break during disassembly. The
>>> battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the
>>> chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
>>> 
>>> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there¹s no glass
>>> protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to
>>> replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
>>> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
>>> 
>>> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 


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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Shane

You should you be able, if there is stock still around. They were pretty 
constrained before "discontinued".
One of the wholesaler I know has none left in Australia.
I'm checking for a client to see if anyone has some tomorrow to source it for 
him if they do. 
But I think thats the only way you'd find one,..is if someone has one "kicking 
around".

Kind regards
Daniel
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On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:

> mmm
> maxed out new 17" ivy bridge MBP… if only.
> Damn!
> 
> Anyone know where I can still get a "latest" model 17" before they all
> disappear? Not sure that the 15", however snazzy it is, will do the job I
> need.
> I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see what it
> is like.
> 
> Shayne
> 
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
>> and now from iFixit quote:
>> 
>> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable
>> laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
>> 
>> and
>> some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with
>> repairability:
>> 
>> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
>> Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That
>> means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
>> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out
>> at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
>> 
>> * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but
>> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
>> we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
>> 
>> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case,
>> which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The
>> battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the
>> chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
>> 
>> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass
>> protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to
>> replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
>> 
>> 
>> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
>> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
>> 
>> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[Brian Risbey]

Just to qualify the laptop/s that is, there were 4 different models over the 
years. Not one dud ;-) and yes they were all repaired, but if parts are glued 
or bonded then fixability could be an issue, batteries don't last forever and 
HDs do fail, though the SSD will remove that issue.
Back to the reports...

Brian



On 13/06/2012, at 9:59 PM, cm wrote:

I have had an entirely different experience with my 17-inch Early 2009 MacBook 
Pro. A screwdriver has never breached its case. I bought it at the time with 
the best specs I could afford (which did not extend to the fastest processor 
available) and it has worked tirelessly for me from that time right up to 
present as it churns out this email. For the first year of ownership any parts 
that fail will be replaced by Apple free of charge. If you are concerned about 
parts failure after this time you can always get the extended AppleCare 
warranty and Apple will replace motherboards, displays or whatever is required. 
Of even without AppleCare you can pay for the servicing of you machine by a 
qualified Apple service technician. I don't see a need to get a refurbished 
machine.

Regards,
Carlo



User modifications can potentially void the warranty.



On 13/06/2012, at 21:44 , Brian Risbey wrote:

> Hi all,
> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
> and now from iFixit quote:
> 
> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable 
> laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
> 
> and 
> some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with 
> repairability:
> 
> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe 
> screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you 
> need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 
> 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
> 
> * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but 
> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re 
> hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
> 
> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, 
> which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery 
> also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that 
> a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
> 
> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting 
> it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the 
> entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
> 
> 
> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various 
> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
> 
> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
> 
> Brian
> 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[S Beach]

mmm
maxed out new 17" ivy bridge MBP… if only.
Damn!

Anyone know where I can still get a "latest" model 17" before they all
disappear? Not sure that the 15", however snazzy it is, will do the job I
need.
I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see what it
is like.

Shayne

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:

> Hi all,
> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
> and now from iFixit quote:
>
> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable
> laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
>
> and
>  some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with
> repairability:
>
> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
> Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That
> means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out
> at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
>
> * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but
> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
> we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
>
> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case,
> which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The
> battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the
> chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
>
> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass
> protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to
> replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
>
>
> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
>
> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
>
> Brian
>
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[cm]

I have had an entirely different experience with my 17-inch Early 2009 MacBook 
Pro. A screwdriver has never breached its case. I bought it at the time with 
the best specs I could afford (which did not extend to the fastest processor 
available) and it has worked tirelessly for me from that time right up to 
present as it churns out this email. For the first year of ownership any parts 
that fail will be replaced by Apple free of charge. If you are concerned about 
parts failure after this time you can always get the extended AppleCare 
warranty and Apple will replace motherboards, displays or whatever is required. 
Of even without AppleCare you can pay for the servicing of you machine by a 
qualified Apple service technician. I don't see a need to get a refurbished 
machine.

Regards,
Carlo



 User modifications can potentially void the warranty.



On 13/06/2012, at 21:44 , Brian Risbey wrote:

> Hi all,
> firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
> and now from iFixit quote:
> 
> iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable 
> laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"
> 
> and 
> some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with 
> repairability:
> 
> * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe 
> screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you 
> need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
> * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 
> 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
> 
> * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but 
> not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re 
> hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
> 
> * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, 
> which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery 
> also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that 
> a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
> 
> * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting 
> it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the 
> entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
> 
> 
> During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various 
> replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
> 
> so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
> 
> Brian
> 
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Re: new macbook pros

[Daniel Kerr]

 left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have 
>>>> to come back"). Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to 
>>>> point out both sides of the coin.
>>>> 
>>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know I've 
>>>> looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down and 
>>>> weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want out of 
>>>> the laptop. What features are the "must have" and what features are the 
>>>> "can work around or live with". Is the Retina Display going to be "huge" 
>>>> in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for "legacy items" 
>>>> in the type of work I do. (How much more weight can my back support in all 
>>>> the extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol).
>>>> 
>>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new MBP-RD 
>>>> looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there I'm sure. 
>>>> But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
>>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
>>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the night 
>>>> and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Daniel
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>>>> 
>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>> Email: 
>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or 
>>>>> Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display 
>>>>> MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the 
>>>>> fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long 
>>>>> battery life given the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server 
>>>>> than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from 
>>>>> being a must for gamers (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU 
>>>>> processing power that is being utilized by more and more apps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the 
>>>>> best computer that Apple has ever produced.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces 
>>>>> of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Blitto
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pedro
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
>>>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
>>>>>>> why?tablitto
>>>>>>> 
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new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

[Brian Risbey]

Hi all,
firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17" MacBookPro...
and now from iFixit quote:

iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable 
laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:"

and 
 some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with 
repairability:

* Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe 
screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you 
need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
* As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 
16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.

* The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not 
identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re 
hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.

* The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which 
increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery also 
covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that a user 
will shear the cable in the battery removal process.

* The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. 
If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire 
(extremely expensive) assembly.


During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various 
replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD & ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),

so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?

Brian

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Re: new macbook pros

[rblit]

hi Regi got a13 inch Air for the Grumpy camping trips.But my boss can
pay for my work machine, especially as i do the school magazine
etc cheersrod

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:26:03 +0800
Subject:Re: new macbook pros

 Hey Rod, don't forget you can salary sacrifice this and save your tax
$$ so you can option up or save money for the next grumpy trip.

 Reg

 Reg Whitely

 Home: 08 9921 7272
 Mob: 04 8899 7313
 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net

 On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 pm, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 > Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
 > knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and
managing
 > my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on
3.5
 > yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch
screen
 > will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob -
lots'
 > of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I
am
 > mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
 > this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
 > 1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
 > cheers guysblitto
 > 
 > - Original Message -
 > From: wamug@wamug.org.au
 > To:
 > Cc:
 > Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
 > Subject:Re: new macbook pros
 > 
 > Hi Daniel,
 > 
 > With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
 > Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker).
The
 > new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is
the
 > best computer Apple has ever produced".
 > 
 > Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)
 > 
 > Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month
or
 > so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
 > circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
 > Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It
did
 > occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as
in
 > the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the
case.
 > For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of
the
 > nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it
more
 > watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would
be
 > tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
 > True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the
unit
 > would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.
 > 
 > Regards,
 > Carlo
 > 
 > On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
 > 
 >> Hi Carlo
 >> 
 >> Yes, had all those points.
 >> Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the
 > Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
 > this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
 > SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have
the
 > speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new
one.
 > Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still
:o)
 >> Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
 > before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
 > adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I
have
 > no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
 > pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket
knife,…lol.
 >> And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
 > multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of
what
 > I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
 > only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to
work
 > with. :o)
 >> I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
 > the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
 > out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free
on
 > the "standard" MBP. :o)
 >> 
 >> The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
 > $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM
and
 > drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So
the
 > old MBP would work out more expensive.
 >> 
 >> But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
 > down to what the person wants to do with it.
 >> It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
 > 500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
 > machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and
keep
 > an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the
value
 > that extra storage space 

Re: new macbook pros

[Reg Whitely]

Hey Rod, don't forget you can salary sacrifice this and save your tax $$ so you 
can option up or save money for the next grumpy trip.

Reg

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 pm, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
> knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing
> my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5
> yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen
> will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob  - lots'
> of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am
> mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
> this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
> 1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
> cheers guysblitto
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: wamug@wamug.org.au
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
> Subject:Re: new macbook pros
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
> Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The
> new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is the
> best computer Apple has ever produced".
> 
> Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)
> 
> Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or
> so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
> circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
> Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did
> occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in
> the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case.
> For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the
> nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more
> watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be
> tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
> True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit
> would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo
>> 
>> Yes, had all those points.
>> Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the
> Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
> this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
> SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the
> speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one.
> Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o)
>> Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
> before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
> adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have
> no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
> pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol.
>> And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
> multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what
> I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
> only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work
> with. :o)
>> I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
> the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
> out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on
> the "standard" MBP. :o)
>> 
>> The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
> $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and
> drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the
> old MBP would work out more expensive.
>> 
>> But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
> down to what the person wants to do with it.
>> It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
> 500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
> machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep
> an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value
> that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will
> be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive
> (which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of
> value versus useful versus budget.
>> 
>> That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't "add" to it
> if you have. Budget

Re: new macbook pros

[Roger Kortas]

Hi Rod

Take your time before you decide as the base 15" with retina display is cheaper 
than the 15" 2.6 and the hi-res screen would really help with the things you 
are doing.  External HD's are very cheap and you could get a couple and rotate 
them as part of a back up scheme.  But really I think you should go and have a 
look at both together and then decide.

I have just ordered two for work and they are for people that do what you are 
doing :)

Best regards

Roger

On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
> knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing
> my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5
> yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen
> will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob  - lots'
> of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am
> mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
> this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
> 1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
> cheers guysblitto
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: wamug@wamug.org.au
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
> Subject:Re: new macbook pros
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
> Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The
> new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is the
> best computer Apple has ever produced".
> 
> Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)
> 
> Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or
> so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
> circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
> Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did
> occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in
> the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case.
> For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the
> nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more
> watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be
> tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
> True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit
> would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo
>> 
>> Yes, had all those points.
>> Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the
> Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
> this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
> SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the
> speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one.
> Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o)
>> Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
> before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
> adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have
> no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
> pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol.
>> And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
> multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what
> I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
> only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work
> with. :o)
>> I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
> the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
> out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on
> the "standard" MBP. :o)
>> 
>> The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
> $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and
> drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the
> old MBP would work out more expensive.
>> 
>> But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
> down to what the person wants to do with it.
>> It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
> 500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
> machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep
> an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value
> that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will
> be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 

Re: new macbook pros

[rblit]

Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing
my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5
yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen
will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob  - lots'
of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am
mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
cheers guysblitto

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
Subject:Re: new macbook pros

 Hi Daniel,

 With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The
new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is the
best computer Apple has ever produced".

 Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)

 Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or
so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did
occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in
the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case.
For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the
nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more
watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be
tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit
would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.

 Regards,
 Carlo

 On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:

 > Hi Carlo
 > 
 > Yes, had all those points.
 > Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the
Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the
speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one.
Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o)
 > Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have
no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol.
 > And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what
I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work
with. :o)
 > I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on
the "standard" MBP. :o)
 > 
 > The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
$2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and
drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the
old MBP would work out more expensive.
 > 
 > But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
down to what the person wants to do with it.
 > It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep
an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value
that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will
be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive
(which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of
value versus useful versus budget.
 > 
 > That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't "add" to it
if you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and
then down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB)
and as pricing comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD
of your choice at a later date. I could be wrong, but I think you have
to make all those choices with the MBP-RD at the start as you can't
modify it later on. I haven't looked at that point with detail, so as
mentioned could be wrong, but was just something i had thought of last
night after my other post,..lol.
 > 
 > Still though, I'm still un-decided on both,…lol. :o) I think
they're both great machines, I can just see some of the
advantages/disadvatages to both :o)

Re: new macbook pros

[cm]

, I can't access your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to 
>>> Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have to come back"). Again, 
>>> this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of 
>>> the coin.
>>> 
>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know I've 
>>> looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down and weigh 
>>> up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want out of the 
>>> laptop. What features are the "must have" and what features are the "can 
>>> work around or live with". Is the Retina Display going to be "huge" in the 
>>> type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for "legacy items" in the 
>>> type of work I do. (How much more weight can my back support in all the 
>>> extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol).
>>> 
>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new MBP-RD 
>>> looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there I'm sure. 
>>> But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)
>>> 
>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the night 
>>> and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
>>> 
>>> Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop 
>>>> or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro 
>>>> looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM 
>>>> capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given 
>>>> the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light 
>>>> laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for 
>>>> gamers (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that 
>>>> is being utilized by more and more apps.
>>>> 
>>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the 
>>>> best computer that Apple has ever produced.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of 
>>>> foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Blitto
>>>>> 
>>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pedro
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
>>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
>>>>>> why?tablitto
>>>>>> 
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Re: new macbook pros

[Daniel Kerr]

PM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop 
>>> or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro 
>>> looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM 
>>> capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given 
>>> the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light 
>>> laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers 
>>> (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being 
>>> utilized by more and more apps.
>>> 
>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the best 
>>> computer that Apple has ever produced.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of 
>>> foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Blitto
>>>> 
>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Pedro
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
>>>>> why?tablitto
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Re: new macbook pros

[cm]

 of 
> work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for "legacy items" in the type of work 
> I do. (How much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have to 
> or need to carry around,…lol).
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new MBP-RD 
> looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there I'm sure. 
> But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)
> 
> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the night and 
> finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
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> 
> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
> 
>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop 
>> or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro 
>> looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM 
>> capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given 
>> the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light 
>> laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers 
>> (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being 
>> utilized by more and more apps.
>> 
>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the best 
>> computer that Apple has ever produced.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of 
>> foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Blitto
>>> 
>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
>>> 
>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pedro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
>>>> why?tablitto
>>>> 
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Re: new macbook pros

[Daniel Kerr]

It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are good and bad 
to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" usage. And what you don't 
mind "losing" to "gain".
Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display (MBP-RD) 
actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm comparing both $2499 
models).
They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of 
GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that part is the same on both 
models.
And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 16GB RAM as 
well. 
(I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go to 8GB 
RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it runs fine.) So 
I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well.

The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz versus 
2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world speeds, would depend 
on the task.
Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash Storage built 
in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would cost $480 to add a 
256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So data access would be a win 
there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a difference Flash Storage versus SSD 
in "real world tests" accounts for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to 
go look it up,…lol).

And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some people 
that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field they're in, they still 
want "quick access" to things like Firewire, Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I 
know this doesn't affect everyone and it comes down to their "use of the 
laptop", and that you can hang off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of 
the day, it's ease of use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a 
Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a 
Thunderbolt Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But 
again, in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various forums a 
lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want these things. They 
(we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without adding to it. And if you 
leave it behind or it "drops off" during a transfer, you've wasted time. (And 
time is money as they say,…lol). "Oh sorry, I can't access your Firewire drive 
today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll 
have to come back"). Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to 
point out both sides of the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know I've 
looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down and weigh up 
the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want out of the laptop. 
What features are the "must have" and what features are the "can work around or 
live with". Is the Retina Display going to be "huge" in the type of work I do, 
versus the (sometimes) need for "legacy items" in the type of work I do. (How 
much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have to or need to 
carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new MBP-RD 
looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there I'm sure. But 
it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the night and 
finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

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On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop or 
> if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro looks 
> amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM capacity, 
> the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given the retina 
> display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the 
> discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) 
> will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by more 
> and more apps.
> 
> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the best 
> computer that Apple has ever produced.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of 
&

Re: new macbook pros

[cm]

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop or 
if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro looks 
amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM capacity, 
the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given the retina 
display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the 
discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) 
will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by more and 
more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the best 
computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of foil 
coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro  wrote:

> Hi Blitto
> 
> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
> 
> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
> 
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
>> why?tablitto
>> 
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Re: new macbook pros

[Pedro]

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/


Pedro


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[rblit]

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
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Re: Apple Store down - Here comes my new MacBook Pro! Yay!

[Daniel Kerr]

Give it time,.. it will arrive,.. ;o)
(Or otherwise known as "If you build it,..they will come,…") :o) lol

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 31/05/2012, at 8:37 AM, Stuart Evans wrote:

> Bo.  :-(
> 
> 
> On 30/05/12 8:29 PM, "Ronda Brown"  wrote:
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>> Yes, looks like it was only down for Maintenance after all. 
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[Stuart Evans]

Bo.  :-(


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Re: Apple Store down - Here comes my new MacBook Pro! Yay!

[Susan Hastings]

Yes, that was odd.

Sent from my iPad

On 30/05/2012, at 11:17 PM, Ashley Mulder 
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> Nest Learning Thermostat is also available to buy in the US store
> 
> It seems as though this was just a 'maintenance' store update
> People have commented on the crooked 'store down' note, which is NOT usual 
> for the perfectionists at Apple
> And the sign used is significantly different to what they have used in the 
> past few years
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[Ashley Mulder]

Nest Learning Thermostat is also available to buy in the US store

It seems as though this was just a 'maintenance' store update
People have commented on the crooked 'store down' note, which is NOT usual for 
the perfectionists at Apple
And the sign used is significantly different to what they have used in the past 
few years




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Re: Apple Store down - Here comes my new MacBook Pro! Yay!

[Ronda Brown]

Yes, looks like it was only down for Maintenance after all. 
I can't notice anything new other than layout.
Perhaps getting ready for next Tuesday night?  :)

As Daniel mentioned Apple normally announce new updates on a Tuesday night.

Cheers,
Ronni

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> Layout and landing page is slightly different.
> When you landed on the AppleStore it used to show all the categories. Now it 
> shows "Staff picks", 
> Changing things in the middle. 
> And you have to click "Shop Mac" etc to go into the categories.
> So I'd say a make over all round,….
> Would be my first quick guess at a glance…
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
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> On 30/05/2012, at 8:06 PM, Roger Kortas wrote:
> 
>> Store is back up what happened?
>> 
>> On 30/05/2012, at 5:07 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> All quiet on that front. They even rumoured at one stage to drop the 
>>> MacPro. Along with the 17" MacBookPro. 
>>> 
>>> But it's been long over due. 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
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>>> On 30/05/2012, at 5:04 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>>> 
 Has any one heard if and when a new Mac Pro is likely to appear ?
 
 Regards
 Jewels
 
 On 30/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
 
> But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring  
> out their upgrades..??
> 
> Time will tell. :)
> (Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did  
> there. Lol
> 
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> On 30/05/2012, at 4:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
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>> Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
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>> On 30/05/2012, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Evans   
>> wrote:
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>>> :-)
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[Roger Kortas]

Ah now I see when I first looked at it it was still the same must have been 
cached!!

duh !!

On 30/05/2012, at 8:10 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Layout and landing page is slightly different.
> When you landed on the AppleStore it used to show all the categories. Now it 
> shows "Staff picks", 
> Changing things in the middle. 
> And you have to click "Shop Mac" etc to go into the categories.
> So I'd say a make over all round,….
> Would be my first quick guess at a glance…
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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> On 30/05/2012, at 8:06 PM, Roger Kortas wrote:
> 
>> Store is back up what happened?
>> 
>> On 30/05/2012, at 5:07 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> All quiet on that front. They even rumoured at one stage to drop the 
>>> MacPro. Along with the 17" MacBookPro. 
>>> 
>>> But it's been long over due. 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
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>>> On 30/05/2012, at 5:04 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>>> 
 Has any one heard if and when a new Mac Pro is likely to appear ?
 
 Regards
 Jewels
 
 On 30/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
 
> But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring  
> out their upgrades..??
> 
> Time will tell. :)
> (Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did  
> there. Lol
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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> On 30/05/2012, at 4:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
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>> Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
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>> On 30/05/2012, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Evans   
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>>> :-)
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Layout and landing page is slightly different.
When you landed on the AppleStore it used to show all the categories. Now it 
shows "Staff picks", 
Changing things in the middle. 
And you have to click "Shop Mac" etc to go into the categories.
So I'd say a make over all round,….
Would be my first quick guess at a glance…

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Daniel

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On 30/05/2012, at 8:06 PM, Roger Kortas wrote:

> Store is back up what happened?
> 
> On 30/05/2012, at 5:07 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> All quiet on that front. They even rumoured at one stage to drop the MacPro. 
>> Along with the 17" MacBookPro. 
>> 
>> But it's been long over due. 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
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>> On 30/05/2012, at 5:04 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:
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>>> Has any one heard if and when a new Mac Pro is likely to appear ?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Jewels
>>> 
>>> On 30/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>> 
 But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring  
 out their upgrades..??
 
 Time will tell. :)
 (Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did  
 there. Lol
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 
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> Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
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> On 30/05/2012, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Evans   
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[Roger Kortas]

Store is back up what happened?

On 30/05/2012, at 5:07 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> All quiet on that front. They even rumoured at one stage to drop the MacPro. 
> Along with the 17" MacBookPro. 
> 
> But it's been long over due. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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> On 30/05/2012, at 5:04 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
>> Has any one heard if and when a new Mac Pro is likely to appear ?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Jewels
>> 
>> On 30/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring  
>>> out their upgrades..??
>>> 
>>> Time will tell. :)
>>> (Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did  
>>> there. Lol
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
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>>> 
>>> On 30/05/2012, at 4:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
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 wrote:
 
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[Daniel Kerr]

All quiet on that front. They even rumoured at one stage to drop the MacPro. 
Along with the 17" MacBookPro. 

But it's been long over due. 

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 30/05/2012, at 5:04 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:

> Has any one heard if and when a new Mac Pro is likely to appear ?
> 
> Regards
> Jewels
> 
> On 30/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring  
>> out their upgrades..??
>> 
>> Time will tell. :)
>> (Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did  
>> there. Lol
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
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>> 
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>> 
>> On 30/05/2012, at 4:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 30/05/2012, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Evans   
>>> wrote:
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[Julie Bedford]

Has any one heard if and when a new Mac Pro is likely to appear ?

Regards
Jewels

On 30/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring  
> out their upgrades..??
>
> Time will tell. :)
> (Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did  
> there. Lol
>
> Kind regards
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
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> On 30/05/2012, at 4:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>
>> Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
>>
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>
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Re: Apple Store down - Here comes my new MacBook Pro! Yay!

[Daniel Kerr]

But it's not a Tuesday night, which is their "normal " day to bring out their 
upgrades..??

Time will tell. :)
(Maybe Tim Cook wants to 'Think Different') :)) See what I did there. Lol

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 4s

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On 30/05/2012, at 4:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 30/05/2012, at 3:54 PM, Stuart Evans  wrote:
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>> :-)
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[Ronda Brown]

Yeah... My new 17" MacBook Pro!

Sent from Ronni's iPad

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Re: Snow Leopard on new MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

On 20/09/2011, at 4:36 PM, Stuart Evans wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Wondering if anyone has tried to install Snow Leopard on a new MacBook Pro?
> I suspect it wouldn't work but wondered if anyone had even tried.
> 
> Cheers,
> Stuart


Hi Stuart,

I’ve just noticed that no-one replied to your query. When looking through my 
“Drafts” I noticed I had started a reply and never got back to it (as often 
happens when I get busy on more ‘urgent jobs’ ;-)
You have probably by now worked out a solution, but in case you haven’t I’ll 
continue what I had started.

Do you mean a re-install of Snow Leopard on a new ’Thunderbolt’ MBP (2011) like 
mine MacBookPro8,3?
As they originally came with Snow Leopard installed.

Or do you mean (what I ‘think’ you mean ;-) Install Snow Leopard on the now 
selling MacBook Pro (same Model as mine MacBookPro8,3) but now comes with Lion 
Installed?
If you are wanting to install Snow Leopard on a MBP that has Lion already 
installed there is a way if you have 2 computers and use Firewire Target Disk 
Mode.

Snow Leopard install on a Lion Installed MacBook Pro

Before you start, be sure to have:
A)  2 machines with a firewire port (and a cable).
B)  Snow Leopard installation DVD
C)  If you want to return to a previous system on the new machine a backup of 
the “old” system.
D) A backup of the Lion system (just in case of…..)
 
1. Make a backup of your Lion system. (Time Machine, Carbon Copy Cloner or 
SuperDuper)

2. On the Lion system, use Disk Utility to make a new partition for the SL 
system. (in Disk Utility select the HD, enter the tab “partition” and use the 
“+” to create a new partition). Give it a clear name (preferably not the same 
name as one of your other (external) harddrives)
 
Keep in mind that resizing the partition afterwards is difficult, not to say 
impossible without loosing data on the partition. 
(erasing the partition is not a problem however, so you can always go back to 
“1.”).
 
3. Reboot the “Lion machine” in Target mode by restarting it and pressing the 
“T” after the chord (when the apple appears). 
You can also go to “System Preferences” and choose “startup disk”, there’s a 
button for restarting in Target mode. 
When you see a bouncing firewire (and maybe a Thunderbolt) logo on your screen 
it’s in target mode. 
While in this mode, your computer is reduced to a really expensive external HD 
casing.

4. Use the firewire cable to connect the two machines, and check if the lion’s 
HDs appear as external drives on the second machine.

5. From the DVD, start the installation of SL on the second machine.

6. When you install SL, there comes a time it asks where to install SL. Choose 
your newly made partition (“disk”) on the Lion machine. 
Further, follow the instructions of the installer. Even when the second machine 
restarts during the installation, it continues on the right 
partition/drive/disk.

7. Once the installer is finished, run “Software Update” to update to 10.6.8. 
This is still with the Lion machine in Target Disk mode! If you’re unsure, you 
can always check Finder to see your other drives.
 
Note: if, for any reason, the second machine restarts and doesn’t revert to the 
new partition, restart the second machine while holding the option (alt) key 
after the chord. This brings up a list that shows you the connected bootable 
drives, and with the arrows you can choose the drive to boot from. 
This should include the newly made SL partition on the Lion machine, which is 
shown as an external drive. 
If the new partition doesn’t show it is not bootable and you have to start all 
over.
 
8. If the installation is finished and you ran software update successfully, 
you can restart the lion machine (pressing the power button once to switch it 
off, pressing a second time makes it boot like normal). After disconnecting the 
FW cable, press the option key (alt).
If all went well, you can choose now between your Lion partition and the SL 
partition. 
You now have a dual boot system with a clean install of SL on the second 
partition. 
You can use migration assistant, new installations, time machine or anything of 
your liking to reinstall the beloved applications.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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Re: Snow Leopard on new MacBook Pro

[Bill Parker]

I have a fine example right in front of me!
Bill
On 20/09/2011, at 4:36 PM, Stuart Evans wrote:

> Hi Folks,
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> Wondering if anyone has tried to install Snow Leopard on a new MacBook Pro?
> I suspect it wouldn't work but wondered if anyone had even tried.
> 
> Cheers,
> Stuart
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[Stuart Evans]

Hi Folks,

Wondering if anyone has tried to install Snow Leopard on a new MacBook Pro?
I suspect it wouldn't work but wondered if anyone had even tried.

Cheers,
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New MacBook Airs - in June/July????

[Rod Blitvich]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/04/22/apple_to_begin_production_of_thunderbolt_macbook_airs_next_month.htmlorClick Hereand Production of New Thunderbolt-Equipped MacBook Airs Set for Next Month?
Apple next month will reportedly begin manufacturing the first updates to its rejuvenated MacBook Air line as the company looks to maintain the impressive sales momentum generated by the ultra-thin notebooks and limit the market opportunity for would-be competitors hoping to wedge their foot in the door.
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  0409 681 256   rb...@iinet.net.au  http://web.me.com/blittoI don't have a big ego, I'm way too cool for that.





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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Ronda Brown]

There is a bit of confusion with the license from the MacApp Store to the 
retail version.
<http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html#APPS>

Aperture 3 in MacApp Store
<http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/does-the-mac-app-store-allow-commercial-use--921293>

So what does the license say about how you can use the apps you buy? Under the 
section on "MacAppStoreProductUsageRules", there are two clauses. 

The first deals with "personal" use:

(i) You may download and use an application from the Mac App Store ("Mac App 
Store Product") for personal, non-commercial use on any Apple-branded products 
running Mac OS X that you own or control ("Mac Product").

That's clear enough. If you have a Mac and a laptop for home use, you can 
install anything you buy on the Mac App Store on both machines. If you have 
kids with a Mac which you "control", you can install the software on that 
machine, too.

What about business use? The next subsection of the license covers that:

(ii) If you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, you may 
download a Mac App Store Product for use either (a) by a single individual on 
each of the Mac Product(s) that you own or control, or (b) by multiple 
individuals on a single shared Mac Product that you own or control. For 
example, a single employee may use a Mac App Store Product on both the 
employee's desktop Mac Product and laptop Mac Product, or multiple students may 
serially use the Product on a single Mac Product located at a resource center 
or library.

So yes, you can use that copy of Aperture on a machine you use for business. If 
you're using the product for business, though, the terms of use are slightly 
different to "personal use". You can't install the software on machines you 
"control" (as you could with your kids' Mac), so you can't put the software on 
the machines of other employees, even if you own the business or manage the 
Macs. If you have multiple Macs which only you use, that's fine – you can 
install all your apps on all your machines.

As with all things legal, there are edge cases where the license is open to 
interpretation a little.

For example, what if you mostly use your machine for "personal" use, but 
occasionally have a spot of commercial work on the same machine? Does that mean 
you have to stop your kids using iPhoto while you're doing a little editing for 
work?

The answer is probably "technically yes, but no one's ever going to sue you for 
it." What Apple is trying to do with the license is simply set rules which 
allow home users to use the software they buy on all their personal Macs, while 
stopping businesses from buying a single copy of, say, Pages and letting 100 
employees use it.

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 08/03/2011, at 9:37 PM, Chris Stocks  wrote:

> That's great (but not for Daniel)
> 
> 
> From: Ronda Brown 
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 9:18:30 PM
> Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
> 
> The Mac App Store works for Snow Leopard users, Mac OS X v10.6.6. 
>   Prices range from free to AU$99.99 for Aperture 3.
> 
> <http://www.macworld.com.au/news/mac-app-store-opens-with-more-than-1000-apps-21700/>
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 08/03/2011, at 8:47 PM, Chris Stocks  wrote:
> 
>> But wouldn't that be $99.99 from the US store? shows $119.99 (go figure) in 
>> Oz
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> From: Reg Whitely 
>> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
>> Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 8:24:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
>> 
>> Dear Daniel and good WAMUG friends
>> 
>> So:
>> Aperture Edu 3 -$299.00
>> 2.3 GHz upgrade +$270.00
>> Aperture 3  from MacStore +$99.99
>> That means it costs me $70.99 to get the 2.3GHZ upgrade with a MacStore 
>> purchase of Aperture 3.
>> Interesting Maths. I'm tempted.
>> 
>> Thank goodness for the genii of WAMUG
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 am, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Reg
>>> 
>>> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>>> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>>> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>>> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>>> it f

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Chris Stocks]

That's great (but not for Daniel)






From: Ronda Brown 
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 9:18:30 PM
Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?


The Mac App Store works for Snow Leopard users, Mac OS X v10.6.6.   
Prices range from free to AU$99.99 for Aperture 3.
<http://www.macworld.com.au/news/mac-app-store-opens-with-more-than-1000-apps-21700/>


Sent from Ronni's iPad


On 08/03/2011, at 8:47 PM, Chris Stocks  wrote:


But wouldn't that be $99.99 from the US store? shows $119.99 (go figure) in Oz
>
>Cheers,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: Reg Whitely 
>To: WAMUG Mailing List 
>Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 8:24:59 PM
>Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
>
>Dear Daniel and good WAMUG friends
>
>
>So:
>Aperture Edu 3  -$299.00
>2.3 GHz upgrade +$270.00
>Aperture 3  from MacStore +$99.99
>That means it costs me $70.99 to get the 2.3GHZ upgrade with a MacStore 
>purchase 
>of Aperture 3.
>Interesting Maths. I'm tempted.
>
>
>Thank goodness for the genii of WAMUG
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>Reg
>
>
>Reg Whitely
>
>
>Home: 08 9921 7272
>Mob: 04 8899 7313
>Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>
>
>
>
>On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 am, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Reg
>>
>>As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>>Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>>not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>>It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>>it from the MacStore.
>>
>>I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>>want to start a flame war.
>>
>>But just thought I'd point it out.
>>
>>Kind Regards
>>Daniel
>>
>>
>>On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've  
decided
>>>
>to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>>
8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into an
>
extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>
with it!
>

>
Regards
>

>
Reg
>

>
Reg Whitely
>

>
Home: 08 9921 7272
>
Mob: 04 8899 7313
>
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>

>

>

>
On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>

>
I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>
would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>
If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>
2.3GHz.
>>

>>
The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>
usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what
>>
you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>

>>
Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>

>>
Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity ;-)
>>
Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives  a
>>
truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>

>>
The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>
lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>

>>
I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided to
>>
go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>
I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a  deeper look with more
>>
contrast. blacks are really black.
>>

>>
Cheers,
>>
Ronni
>>
On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>

>>
I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>
performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your  computer
>>>
for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including
>>>
the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an
>>>
extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>
Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>
archives.
>>>

>>>
Ruben
>>>

>>>
Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>>

>>>>
Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>>
Pro 15". 
>>>>
Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>>>
What are experiences 

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Ronda Brown]

The Mac App Store works for Snow Leopard users, Mac OS X v10.6.6.   
Prices range from free to AU$99.99 for Aperture 3.

<http://www.macworld.com.au/news/mac-app-store-opens-with-more-than-1000-apps-21700/>

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 08/03/2011, at 8:47 PM, Chris Stocks  wrote:

> But wouldn't that be $99.99 from the US store? shows $119.99 (go figure) in Oz
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris
> 
> 
> From: Reg Whitely 
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 8:24:59 PM
> Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
> 
> Dear Daniel and good WAMUG friends
> 
> So:
> Aperture Edu 3 -$299.00
> 2.3 GHz upgrade +$270.00
> Aperture 3  from MacStore +$99.99
> That means it costs me $70.99 to get the 2.3GHZ upgrade with a MacStore 
> purchase of Aperture 3.
> Interesting Maths. I'm tempted.
> 
> Thank goodness for the genii of WAMUG
> 
> Regards
> 
> Reg
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 am, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Reg
>> 
>> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>> it from the MacStore.
>> 
>> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>> want to start a flame war.
>> 
>> But just thought I'd point it out.
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>>> decided
>>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into 
>>> an
>>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>>> with it!
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>> 
>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>> what
>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>>> 
>>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>>> 
>>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity 
>>>> ;-)
>>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives 
>>>> a
>>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>>> 
>>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided 
>>>> to
>>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>>> more
>>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads 
>>>>> (including
>>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually 
>>>>> an
>>>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>>> archives.
>>>&g

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Chris Stocks]

But wouldn't that be $99.99 from the US store? shows $119.99 (go figure) in Oz

Cheers,
Chris






From: Reg Whitely 
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 8:24:59 PM
Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

Dear Daniel and good WAMUG friends

So:
Aperture Edu 3 -$299.00
2.3 GHz upgrade +$270.00
Aperture 3  from MacStore +$99.99
That means it costs me $70.99 to get the 2.3GHZ upgrade with a MacStore 
purchase 
of Aperture 3.
Interesting Maths. I'm tempted.

Thank goodness for the genii of WAMUG

Regards

Reg

Reg Whitely


Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 am, Daniel Kerr wrote:


>Hi Reg
>
>As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>it from the MacStore.
>
>I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>want to start a flame war.
>
>But just thought I'd point it out.
>
>Kind Regards
>Daniel
>
>
>On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>
>
>Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've decided
>>
to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>
8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into an
>
extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>
with it!
>

>
Regards
>

>
Reg
>

>
Reg Whitely
>

>
Home: 08 9921 7272
>
Mob: 04 8899 7313
>
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>

>

>

>
On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>

>
I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>
would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>
If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>
2.3GHz.
>>

>>
The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>
usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what
>>
you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>

>>
Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>

>>
Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity ;-)
>>
Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a
>>
truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>

>>
The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>
lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>

>>
I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided to
>>
go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>
I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with more
>>
contrast. blacks are really black.
>>

>>
Cheers,
>>
Ronni
>>
On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>

>>
I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>
performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>
for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including
>>>
the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an
>>>
extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>
Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>
archives.
>>>

>>>
Ruben
>>>

>>>
Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>>

>>>>
Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>>
Pro 15". 
>>>>
Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>>>
What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>>>>
Any other tips?
>>>>
Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>>>>

>>>>
Regards
>>>>

>>>>
Reg
>>>>

>>>>
Reg Whitely
>>>>

>>>>
Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>
Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>

>>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Reg Whitely]

Dear Daniel and good WAMUG friends

So:
Aperture Edu 3 -$299.00
2.3 GHz upgrade +$270.00
Aperture 3  from MacStore +$99.99
That means it costs me $70.99 to get the 2.3GHZ upgrade with a MacStore 
purchase of Aperture 3.
Interesting Maths. I'm tempted.

Thank goodness for the genii of WAMUG

Regards

Reg

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 am, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> 
> Hi Reg
> 
> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
> it from the MacStore.
> 
> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
> want to start a flame war.
> 
> But just thought I'd point it out.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>> decided
>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into 
>> an
>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>> with it!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>> 2.3GHz.
>>> 
>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what
>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>> 
>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>> 
>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity 
>>> ;-)
>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a
>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>> 
>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided 
>>> to
>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>> more
>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including
>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an
>>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>> archives.
>>>> 
>>>> Ruben
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>>> Pro 15". 
>>>>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>>>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>>>>> Any other tips?
>>>>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>> 
>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[peta]

Thank you all for this.

Peta



On 07/03/2011, at 5:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Peta,
> 
> I would imagine because of my reply further down in this email.
>>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache 
>>>>> is
>>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>>> what
>>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
> 
> Aperture could use the extra.
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 07/03/2011, at 4:06 PM, peta  wrote:
> 
>> Robin
>> 
>> Why?  Or in the words of a certain ex (I hope) politician - "please explain"?
>> 
>> Peta
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/03/2011, at 10:44 AM, Robin Belford wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> If you're going to use Aperture perhaps you should reconsider not going for 
>>> the fast processor and the extra cache?
>>> 
>>> robin
>>> 
>>> On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Reg
>>>> 
>>>> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>>>> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>>>> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>>>> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>>>> it from the MacStore.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>>>> want to start a flame war.
>>>> 
>>>> But just thought I'd point it out.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind Regards
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>>>>> decided
>>>>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display 
>>>>> and
>>>>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade 
>>>>> into an
>>>>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>>>>> with it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>> 
>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>>>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for 
>>>>>> eternity ;-)
>>>>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare 
>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>>>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I 
>>>>>> decided to
>>>>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>>>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:2

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Robin Belford]

To put briefly, if browsing, email, a bit of text editing and maybe 
spreadsheets is the usage then there is no need for the fastest. 
If your work involves multimedia editing, e.g. Aperture, Final Cut Pro, 
Photoshop, iMovie, etc. then there is a benefit to be gained from additional 
processor speed and L2 cache. 

robin

On 07/03/2011, at 4:06 PM, peta wrote:

> Robin
> 
> Why?  Or in the words of a certain ex (I hope) politician - "please explain"?
> 
> Peta
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/03/2011, at 10:44 AM, Robin Belford wrote:
> 
>> 
>> If you're going to use Aperture perhaps you should reconsider not going for 
>> the fast processor and the extra cache?
>> 
>> robin
>> 
>> On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Reg
>>> 
>>> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>>> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>>> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>>> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>>> it from the MacStore.
>>> 
>>> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>>> want to start a flame war.
>>> 
>>> But just thought I'd point it out.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>>>> decided
>>>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>>>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade 
>>>> into an
>>>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>>>> with it!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Reg
>>>> 
>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>> 
>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache 
>>>>> is
>>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>>> what
>>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity 
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare 
>>>>> gives a
>>>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I 
>>>>> decided to
>>>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>>>> more
>>>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ronni
>>>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads 
>>>>>> (including
>>>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>>>> archives.

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peta,

I would imagine because of my reply further down in this email.
>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>> 
>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>> what
>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.

Aperture could use the extra.

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 07/03/2011, at 4:06 PM, peta  wrote:

> Robin
> 
> Why?  Or in the words of a certain ex (I hope) politician - "please explain"?
> 
> Peta
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/03/2011, at 10:44 AM, Robin Belford wrote:
> 
>> 
>> If you're going to use Aperture perhaps you should reconsider not going for 
>> the fast processor and the extra cache?
>> 
>> robin
>> 
>> On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Reg
>>> 
>>> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>>> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>>> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>>> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>>> it from the MacStore.
>>> 
>>> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>>> want to start a flame war.
>>> 
>>> But just thought I'd point it out.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>>>> decided
>>>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>>>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade 
>>>> into an
>>>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>>>> with it!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Reg
>>>> 
>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>> 
>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache 
>>>>> is
>>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>>> what
>>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity 
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare 
>>>>> gives a
>>>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I 
>>>>> decided to
>>>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>>>> more
>>>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ronni
>>>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads 
>>>>>> (including
>>>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> extra 400 but if they o

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[peta]

Robin

Why?  Or in the words of a certain ex (I hope) politician - "please explain"?

Peta




On 07/03/2011, at 10:44 AM, Robin Belford wrote:

> 
> If you're going to use Aperture perhaps you should reconsider not going for 
> the fast processor and the extra cache?
> 
> robin
> 
> On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Reg
>> 
>> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
>> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
>> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
>> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
>> it from the MacStore.
>> 
>> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
>> want to start a flame war.
>> 
>> But just thought I'd point it out.
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>>> decided
>>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into 
>>> an
>>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>>> with it!
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>>> 2.3GHz.
>>>> 
>>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on 
>>>> what
>>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>>> 
>>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>>> 
>>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity 
>>>> ;-)
>>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives 
>>>> a
>>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>>> 
>>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided 
>>>> to
>>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>>> more
>>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads 
>>>>> (including
>>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually 
>>>>> an
>>>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>>> archives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ruben
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>>>> Pro 15". 
>>>>>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>>>>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>>>>>> Any other tips?
>>>>>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Robin Belford]

If you're going to use Aperture perhaps you should reconsider not going for the 
fast processor and the extra cache?

robin

On 07/03/2011, at 9:55 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> 
> Hi Reg
> 
> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
> it from the MacStore.
> 
> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
> want to start a flame war.
> 
> But just thought I'd point it out.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've 
>> decided
>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into 
>> an
>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>> with it!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>> 2.3GHz.
>>> 
>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what
>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>> 
>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>> 
>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity 
>>> ;-)
>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a
>>> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
>>> 
>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided 
>>> to
>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with 
>>> more
>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including
>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an
>>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>> archives.
>>>> 
>>>> Ruben
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>>> Pro 15". 
>>>>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>>>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>>>>> Any other tips?
>>>>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>> 
>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Stuart Evans]

Yes, it makes you wonder why Apple have bothered continuing with the box
products. They still sell them on the Apple store. I think the long term aim
is clear. From a resellers perspective it's another erosion of revenue, but
we all have to adapt. It's all going to be only online someday. What will
never be online is the personal touch, personal training, personal advice
and personal support. That's where our focus is.
I just wonder why the App Store prices aren't at parity with the US store
(or close to it). Given there are no imports, no boxes, no deliveries etc,
only GST to add - I'd expect the prices to be closer. Unless I'm missing
some software tax that the government applies?

Flame on Johnny!   ;-)


Cheers,
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On 7/03/11 9:55 AM, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:

> 
> Hi Reg
> 
> As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
> Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
> not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
> It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
> it from the MacStore.
> 
> I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
> want to start a flame war.
> 
> But just thought I'd point it out.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've
>> decided
>> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
>> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into
>> an
>> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
>> with it!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>>> 2.3GHz.
>>> 
>>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what
>>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>>> 
>>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>>> 
>>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare Š this debate has been going on for eternity
>>> ;-)
>>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a
>>> truer ŒPrint¹ colour than the Gloss.
>>> 
>>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>>> 
>>> I¹ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided
>>> to
>>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with
>>> more
>>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including
>>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an
>>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>>> archives.
>>>> 
>>>> Ruben
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>>> Pro 15". 
>>>>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>

Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Reg

As much as I hate to not give sales to stores, if you are looking at
Aperture it's actually cheaper to download it from the MacStore if you're
not worried about not getting a disk and little manual.
It's $249 in the shops, $229 on the education store and $99.99 to download
it from the MacStore.

I'm not even going to get started on why they make it so cheap, as I don't
want to start a flame war.

But just thought I'd point it out.

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 7/3/11 9:35 AM, "Reg Whitely"  wrote:

> Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've decided
> to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and
> 8Gb RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into an
> extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play
> with it!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Reg
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price
>> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
>> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the
>> 2.3GHz.
>> 
>> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is
>> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what
>> you do in Photoshop & FCP.
>> 
>> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
>> 
>> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare Š this debate has been going on for eternity ;-)
>> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a
>> truer ŒPrint¹ colour than the Gloss.
>> 
>> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a
>> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
>> 
>> I¹ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided to
>> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
>> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with more
>> contrast. blacks are really black.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the
>>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer
>>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including
>>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an
>>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.
>>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the
>>> archives.
>>> 
>>> Ruben
>>> 
>>>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>>>> 
>>>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook
>>>> Pro 15". 
>>>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>>>> Any other tips?
>>>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Reg
>>>> 
>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>> 
>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Reg Whitely]

Thank you to all who have replied to my query on MacBook Pro 15". I've decided 
to go for the standard 2.2GHz / 750 Gb HDD with standard glossy display and 8Gb 
RAM. I'll put the extra $$ saved by not getting the 2.3GHz upgrade into an 
extended warranty. I'm also tempted to get Aperture 3 and have a nice play with 
it!

Regards

Reg

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 06/03/2011, at 5:18 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:

> I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price 
> would depend on what you use the MBP for.
> If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the 
> 2.3GHz.
> 
> The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is 
> usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what 
> you do in Photoshop & FCP. 
> 
> Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.
> 
> Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity ;-)
> Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a 
> truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.
> 
> The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a 
> lower resolution Anti-Glare display.
> 
> I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided to 
> go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
> I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with more 
> contrast. blacks are really black.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the 
>> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer 
>> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including 
>> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an 
>> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.  
>> Dunno about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the 
>> archives.
>> 
>> Ruben
>> 
>>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>>> 
>>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook 
>>> Pro 15". 
>>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>>> Any other tips? 
>>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Ronda Brown]

I agree with Ruben. To advise whether the 2.3GHz is worth the extra price would 
depend on what you use the MBP for.
If you are heavy user in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro, I would suggest the 
2.3GHz.

The 2.3GHz CPU has a larger L3 cache (8MB vs 6MB.) The increase in cache is 
usually more important than the minimal increase in speed, depending on what 
you do in Photoshop & FCP. 

Certainly go the biggest Hard Drive you can afford and extra RAM.

Re: The Glossy vs Anti-Glare … this debate has been going on for eternity ;-)
Some Professional Graphic Artists & Photographers say the Anti-Glare gives a 
truer ‘Print’ colour than the Gloss.

The latest MBPs have high resolution displays, older MBPs you could get a lower 
resolution Anti-Glare display.

I’ve had  anti-glare on my PowerBook & previous MacBook Pro, but I decided to 
go with the Glossy Display on my current MBP.
I love the look of the glossy screen, the images have a deeper look with more 
contrast. blacks are really black.

Cheers,
Ronni
On 04/03/2011, at 12:26 AM, Dark1 wrote:

> I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the 
> performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer 
> for.  If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including 
> the hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an 
> extra 400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.  Dunno 
> about the displays but you can probably find info on that in the archives.
> 
> Ruben
> 
>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>> 
>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro 
>> 15". 
>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>> Any other tips? 
>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 





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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Stuart Evans]

But relative to the question...

Antiglare ­ is relative to environments and use. I prefer antiglare but the
glossy has been fine and provides richer colour. I¹m bemused that it costs
extra when Œglossy¹ used to be a no-cost option, however apparently glossy
are cheaper to make.
Below plagiarised from the Internet...
Glossy Surface Advantages
Glossy displays have a sharper appearance and provide better contrast. This
seems to make it easier to tell similar colors apart from one another. The
light emanating from the screen passes through the glossy surface
undisturbed. 
Matte Surface Advantages
A matte or "anti-glare" surface all but eliminates reflections that might
obscure the display. A trade-off of this feature is in how some light is
absorbed by the surface itself. Matte displays can dim brighter colors and
obscure darker colors. Some anti-glare surfaces may cause high-resolution
displays to look slightly blurry.

CPU ­ Ruben¹s earlier advice is relevant. The latest and greatest is not a
good reason unless it suits you. Save money.
RAM ­ Go for 8GB, but perhaps buy 3rd party. Kingston is lifetime warranty.
Other brands also. Remember your warranty though. Check it is not RAM
related before taking it to a repairer.
HDD - personal preference. I¹d love a 512GB SSD. Too expensive still.
Applecare ­ For laptops I think you MUST buy extended warranty. The bonus is
3 years Apple telephone support for Apple OS/Software (even instalation
issues).



And it you want Education pricing and don¹t have a preference I can look
after you. I support loads of schools across the state and loads of teachers
in K-12/TAFE doing salary sacrifice so we sometimes bill direct to the
school. Alternatively ­ are you up for NB4T anytime soon?


;-)

Cheers,
Stuart


On 4/03/11 7:20 AM, "James / Hans Kunz"  wrote:

> i'm in the process of buying the 2.3gig 17inch pro
> antiglare: i have it on the powerbook & it's great because no interference
> from enviroment mirrowing in the screen (eg your face or lights behind you)
> 2.3ghz: because when i buy i buy the most powerful i can get
> 8gig ram: a lot of newer apps consume alot of ram & normally you have 4 to 9
> apps running @ once
> 750gig hd allows me to have a decent libray of movies docs, tech info & other
> with me w/o add ballast
> apple care: from experience new electronics does not last as long as in
> earlier times (sometimes less then 1 year)
> you may save & stay with 2.2ghz but i do recomment to go for the 8gig ram
> cheers James
> 
> 
> On 03/03/2011, at 18:25, Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>> 
>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro
>> 15". 
>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>> Any other tips? 
>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>>  
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>> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Stuart Evans]

He-hmmm. 



Please try and keep your money in Australia. You don’t have to buy from me,
Daniel, Craig or other on this list, but please consider someone local to
your community or Australian companies at least. If you save $100 - good for
you. If you save $10, well, I’d ask how you think that is supporting our
economy and future jobs for our kids. Apathy is the biggest problem in our
communities. We are the ‘frog in the pot’.






On 4/03/11 9:09 AM, "Susan Hastings"  wrote:

> Even better! That's where I got the 8gig for my present machine.
> 
> From:  Michael Hawkins 
> Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
> Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:46:49 +0800
> To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
> 
> 8gig  (2x4gb) available from OWC for $US112.99 (8.0GB PC10600 1333MHZ SO Kit
> (4GB + 4GB) w/Lifetime Warranty
> <https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333DDR3S08S/> ).
> Same site, Samsung 4gb ram for $US69.99 (4.0GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Upgrade 1333MHz
> SO-DIMM w/Lifetime Warranty
> <https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333SAM3S4GB/> )
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael Hawkins
> 
> From:  Susan Hastings 
> Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
> Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:28:25 +0800
> To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
> 
> Hi James and Reg, 8gig of RAM is available as a BTO option for the whole range
> of MacBook Pros. It costs $240.00, even with the more powerful 17" or 15"
> machine. Just tried this on the online Apple Store. Cheers, Susan.
> 
> From:  James / Hans Kunz 
> Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
> Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:20:05 +0800
> To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?
> 
> i'm in the process of buying the 2.3gig 17inch pro
> antiglare: i have it on the powerbook & it's great because no interference
> from enviroment mirrowing in the screen (eg your face or lights behind you)
> 2.3ghz: because when i buy i buy the most powerful i can get
> 8gig ram: a lot of newer apps consume alot of ram & normally you have 4 to 9
> apps running @ once
> 750gig hd allows me to have a decent libray of movies docs, tech info & other
> with me w/o add ballast
> apple care: from experience new electronics does not last as long as in
> earlier times (sometimes less then 1 year)
> you may save & stay with 2.2ghz but i do recomment to go for the 8gig ram
> cheers James
> 
> 
> On 03/03/2011, at 18:25, Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> Hi all WAMUGgers
>> 
>> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro
>> 15". 
>> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
>> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
>> Any other tips? 
>> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>>  
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Susan Hastings]

Even better! That's where I got the 8gig for my present machine.

From:  Michael Hawkins 
Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:46:49 +0800
To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

8gig  (2x4gb) available from OWC for $US112.99 (8.0GB PC10600 1333MHZ SO Kit
(4GB + 4GB) w/Lifetime Warranty
<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333DDR3S08S/> ).
Same site, Samsung 4gb ram for $US69.99 (4.0GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Upgrade
1333MHz SO-DIMM w/Lifetime Warranty
<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333SAM3S4GB/> )

Regards,

Michael Hawkins

From:  Susan Hastings 
Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:28:25 +0800
To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

Hi James and Reg, 8gig of RAM is available as a BTO option for the whole
range of MacBook Pros. It costs $240.00, even with the more powerful 17" or
15" machine. Just tried this on the online Apple Store. Cheers, Susan.

From:  James / Hans Kunz 
Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:20:05 +0800
To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

i'm in the process of buying the 2.3gig 17inch pro
antiglare: i have it on the powerbook & it's great because no interference
from enviroment mirrowing in the screen (eg your face or lights behind you)
2.3ghz: because when i buy i buy the most powerful i can get
8gig ram: a lot of newer apps consume alot of ram & normally you have 4 to 9
apps running @ once
750gig hd allows me to have a decent libray of movies docs, tech info &
other with me w/o add ballast
apple care: from experience new electronics does not last as long as in
earlier times (sometimes less then 1 year)
you may save & stay with 2.2ghz but i do recomment to go for the 8gig ram
cheers James


On 03/03/2011, at 18:25, Reg Whitely wrote:

> Hi all WAMUGgers
> 
> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro
> 15". 
> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
> Any other tips? 
> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Reg
> 
>  
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Michael Hawkins]

8gig  (2x4gb) available from OWC for $US112.99 (8.0GB PC10600 1333MHZ SO Kit
(4GB + 4GB) w/Lifetime Warranty
<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333DDR3S08S/> ).
Same site, Samsung 4gb ram for $US69.99 (4.0GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Upgrade
1333MHz SO-DIMM w/Lifetime Warranty
<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333SAM3S4GB/> )

Regards,

Michael Hawkins

From:  Susan Hastings 
Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:28:25 +0800
To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

Hi James and Reg, 8gig of RAM is available as a BTO option for the whole
range of MacBook Pros. It costs $240.00, even with the more powerful 17" or
15" machine. Just tried this on the online Apple Store. Cheers, Susan.

From:  James / Hans Kunz 
Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:20:05 +0800
To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

i'm in the process of buying the 2.3gig 17inch pro
antiglare: i have it on the powerbook & it's great because no interference
from enviroment mirrowing in the screen (eg your face or lights behind you)
2.3ghz: because when i buy i buy the most powerful i can get
8gig ram: a lot of newer apps consume alot of ram & normally you have 4 to 9
apps running @ once
750gig hd allows me to have a decent libray of movies docs, tech info &
other with me w/o add ballast
apple care: from experience new electronics does not last as long as in
earlier times (sometimes less then 1 year)
you may save & stay with 2.2ghz but i do recomment to go for the 8gig ram
cheers James


On 03/03/2011, at 18:25, Reg Whitely wrote:

> Hi all WAMUGgers
> 
> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro
> 15". 
> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
> Any other tips? 
> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Reg
> 
>  
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Susan Hastings]

Hi James and Reg, 8gig of RAM is available as a BTO option for the whole
range of MacBook Pros. It costs $240.00, even with the more powerful 17" or
15" machine. Just tried this on the online Apple Store. Cheers, Susan.

From:  James / Hans Kunz 
Reply-To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Date:  Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:20:05 +0800
To:  WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject:  Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

i'm in the process of buying the 2.3gig 17inch pro
antiglare: i have it on the powerbook & it's great because no interference
from enviroment mirrowing in the screen (eg your face or lights behind you)
2.3ghz: because when i buy i buy the most powerful i can get
8gig ram: a lot of newer apps consume alot of ram & normally you have 4 to 9
apps running @ once
750gig hd allows me to have a decent libray of movies docs, tech info &
other with me w/o add ballast
apple care: from experience new electronics does not last as long as in
earlier times (sometimes less then 1 year)
you may save & stay with 2.2ghz but i do recomment to go for the 8gig ram
cheers James


On 03/03/2011, at 18:25, Reg Whitely wrote:

> Hi all WAMUGgers
> 
> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro
> 15". 
> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
> Any other tips? 
> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Reg
> 
>  
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[James / Hans Kunz]

i'm in the process of buying the 2.3gig 17inch pro
antiglare: i have it on the powerbook & it's great because no  
interference from enviroment mirrowing in the screen (eg your face or  
lights behind you)

2.3ghz: because when i buy i buy the most powerful i can get
8gig ram: a lot of newer apps consume alot of ram & normally you have  
4 to 9 apps running @ once
750gig hd allows me to have a decent libray of movies docs, tech info  
& other with me w/o add ballast
apple care: from experience new electronics does not last as long as  
in earlier times (sometimes less then 1 year)
you may save & stay with 2.2ghz but i do recomment to go for the 8gig  
ram

cheers James


On 03/03/2011, at 18:25, Reg Whitely wrote:


Hi all WAMUGgers

Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new  
MacBook Pro 15".

Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
Any other tips?
Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.

Regards

Reg

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Re: New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Dark1]

I'm not sure whether the extra 100MHz is worth another $300 or not but the 
performance gains you'll see will depend on what your using your computer for.  
If the programs your using can make use of all the threads (including the 
hyperthreads) you'll get that extra 100MHz per core so it's actually an extra 
400 but if they only use a single thread its not nearly as good.  Dunno about 
the displays but you can probably find info on that in the archives.

Ruben

> Hi all WAMUGgers
> 
> Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro 
> 15". 
> Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
> What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
> Any other tips? 
> Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Reg
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
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New MacBook Pro: Should I order 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7?

[Reg Whitely]

Hi all WAMUGgers

Long time since I asked a question. I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro 
15". 
Is the 2.3GHz i7 option worth the extra dollars over the 2.2?
What are experiences with glossy v anti-glare displays?
Any other tips? 
Will buy ed price and plan to salary sacrifice.

Regards

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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

[Reg Whitely]

Hasn't your AR Drone arrived yet?

Reg

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On 21/02/2011, at 8:33 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:

> Reg
> For once why can't I have a better toy than you!!
> Blitto
> :)
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
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>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> 
> Black holes suck.
> 
> On 21/02/2011, at 8:22 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> So Rod
>> 
>> As I pay out the lease on the 380GT this week and get to own it outright, 
>> maybe I should redirect payments and salary sacrifice for a few weeks to buy 
>> a new MacBook Pro to replace my trusty G4 PowerBook?
>> 
>> Should I say, "Blitto sent me!"?
>> 
>> Reg
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21/02/2011, at 5:03 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.html
>>> 
>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/
>>> 
>>> " Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light 
>>> Peak allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you 
>>> can plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external 
>>> hard drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ...
>>> ...Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its 
>>> Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data 
>>> connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>>  0409 681 256  
>>>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
>>>  http://web.me.com/blitto
>>> 
>>> I haven't lost my mind..
>>>  ...it's backed up on disk somewhere!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

[Rod Blitvich]

RegFor once why can't I have a better toy than you!!Blitto:)
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  0409 681 256   rb...@iinet.net.au  http://web.me.com/blittoBlack holes suck.

On 21/02/2011, at 8:22 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:So RodAs I pay out the lease on the 380GT this week and get to own it outright, maybe I should redirect payments and salary sacrifice for a few weeks to buy a new MacBook Pro to replace my trusty G4 PowerBook?Should I say, "Blitto sent me!"?Reg
Reg WhitelyHome: 08 9921 7272Mob: 04 8899 7313Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net

On 21/02/2011, at 5:03 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.htmlhttp://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/" Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light Peak allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you can plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external hard drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ..Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction"
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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

[Reg Whitely]

So Rod

As I pay out the lease on the 380GT this week and get to own it outright, maybe 
I should redirect payments and salary sacrifice for a few weeks to buy a new 
MacBook Pro to replace my trusty G4 PowerBook?

Should I say, "Blitto sent me!"?

Reg
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On 21/02/2011, at 5:03 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:

> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.html
> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/
> 
> " Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light Peak 
> allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you can 
> plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external hard 
> drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ...
> ...Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its 
> Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data 
> connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction"
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> 
> I haven't lost my mind..
>  ...it's backed up on disk somewhere!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

[cm]

Hi Rob,

Yes I, like most Apple followers, am waiting with great anticipation for the 
announcement of the new MacBooks. Light Peak is not a certainty for this 
release but it would be a wonderful new feature. I have advised a friend to 
hold off buying a MacBook Air for two more weeks so that he can compare it with 
the new MacBooks and see which he prefers.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-02-21, at 17:03, Rod Blitvich wrote:

> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.html
> 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/
> 
> " Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light Peak 
> allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you can 
> plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external hard 
> drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ...
> ...Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its 
> Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data 
> connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction"
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
>  http://web.me.com/blitto
> 
> I haven't lost my mind..
>  ...it's backed up on disk somewhere!
> 
> 
> 
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