My understanding is that Derrick May has 'DEMF' trademarked, while Carol
Marvin has 'DEMF' incorporated.
I know nothing about copyright law, so I'm not sure if one of these cancels
out the other or if they both have equal right to the name.
From: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Didn't I read
That was my understanding too, Mark.
I think I'll just keep my seat in the audience and
let all who are involved deal with it as they may.
HOWever, I think it's really unfortunate that
something that was so beautiful and community oriented
in its beginning has turned into a somewhat monster
Well, from what I know, incorporating DEMF would simply mean that a business
named DEMF, Inc. exists. A trademark, on the other hand, gives you the
right to market a product or services under a given name, like a brand name,
regardless of the name of the company that is selling the product. So
H I may've been off base on this trademark thing. I've done a little
poking around on the net and while it seems that Derrick has
http://www.demf.com locked down, I can't find any reference to him owning
the trademark.
I did find this article, but it reads like a whole lotta PR spin to me:
thanks all, for the enthusiastic recommendations for this KMS release. i
threw some x-mas money at an auction, and won the EP. i can't wait to give
it a spin.
peace,
lrh
Yep - that's right.
Incorporating doesn't hold any legal rights to the name - it's more about
how you are taxed and what happens if you run into financial/legal
problems.
It doesn't give you any rights to the actual name of the organization.
That's the trademark.
However, it does protect your
According to the article the currently named DEMF Inc. is planning on doing
a DEMF tour. Isn't the whole point of the festival to GO TO Detroit for
the music?
I can see wanting to bring it to the people but why do that? Everyone will
just wait for it to come to their town and never experience
this one is even better.
DEMF Inc. senior executives, Tommy Hearns, Carol Marvin and Michael Smith
will be attending the opening of the Detroit Techno exhibit at the Detroit
Historical Museum on Friday evening. A significant portion of the exhibit
showcases the 1994 The World Party and the 2000
Yeah, what the hell is this article doing on a martial arts website anyway?
All the other news articles on that website have to do with things related
to martial arts -
So why is there this *one* article on the DEMF and Carol Marvin?
hm
MEK
A - of course. Thomas The Hitman Hearns is the connection.
nevermind
MEK
Michael.Elliot-Knight
Well the site is billed as Where a true warrior's quest begins, Hearns is
boxer...I guess the martial artists think he's a 'True Warrior';-)
It is a bit random though.
Laters,
m*
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But,
Does Derrick have the right to claim the trademark DEMF? I mean I know we all
wish he can, or atleast anyone but Marvin, but if the DEMF was based on the
work commercially done by Marvin's Pop Culture, and then someone else comes
in and scoops the name up, from what I know about law,
i am looking for tickets to this festival but
don't want to reserve a 6 or 7 person chalet:
http://www.wayahead.com/atp/main.htm
http://www.chunklet.com/current_17_all_1.cfm
anyone gone to this before and/or have tips
on getting tickets? maybe i should just
bite the bullet and get a 6 person
hah, i was listening to this whilst riding my bike just yesterday.
beautiful indeed.
jasonb
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From: kathleen harris[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2003 9:17 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) blaktroniks
whomever is _not_
The wordsmithing involved in a sentence like this in their lame press
release tells it all: The City of Detroit remains an important part of
the planning process for presenting the commercially-owned DEMF as an
annual event hosted at Hart Plaza.
Oh yeah? Well, guess what, Carol, you LOST the
All this stuff from Carol Marvin really boils down to a demand to pay
her off so she'll go away. The Hearns thing is particularly
cynical.
It's all about lawyers from now on, so if I were Derrick May and Carl
Craig I'd say, see you in court -- if you dare.
And if the new festival
I was just commenting to a coworker of mine in the U.K. that he's lucky
because all the best artists seem to play Manchester and Leeds.
How ironic :-)
I forwarded this to him of course
jim
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From: Anya Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: :: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Ministry Of SOund Late Night Sessions... Especially that CD1 of the X-press
2 sessions... timeless...
W
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From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: maandag 27 januari 2003 17:51
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) sleep music
My current favorites for
Not electronic, but Lamchop 'Is a Woman' is really beautiful, so it
'Pygmalion' by Slowdive, get this if you can, it's really incredibly good.
The night sounds cool, me and my lot would definitely go.
Best,
Andrew
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From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mark S.
yeah Mills plays in manchester on the same night as Hood at the Orbit too
robin...
I was just commenting to a coworker of mine in the U.K. that he's lucky
because all the best artists seem to play Manchester and Leeds.
How ironic :-)
I forwarded this to him of course
jim
Unfortunately... To my knowledge Late Night Sessions is not an event of
some sort, just the name of a compilations series. And Late Night Sessions
probably comes from sessions, named after the US garage mixcds and the
weekly night out, now almost a decade ago...
W
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I meant the night in London that was mentioned at the start of the thread!
Peace,
Andrew
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From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Andrew' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: (313) sleep music
Unfortunately... To
Jazz FM 102.2 (London) from 10pm - 1am Mon - Fri
The Late Lounge with Clare Anderson plays some blissful beats and downtempo
marvels.
They're on the Net too.
http://www.jazzfm.com/
G.
Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 28/01/2003 13:58:32
To: 'Andrew' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and the DEMF is just a name indeed. I wondered how we would think of this if
PCM got the festival and Derrick May said he was doing a 3 day party to
because he thinks he must do the festival.. just a thought
I heard last year a bunch of detroit artist, that did not play the demf
The newest Meat Beat Manifesto (RUOK?) is ace for catchin some Z's to.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:14:41 +0100, Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ministry Of SOund Late Night Sessions... Especially that CD1 of the X-
press
2 sessions... timeless...
W
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From:
The boy and the Tree - Susumu Yokata
Black Buidlings - Detroit Esc Company
both can be amazingly complex and and on another listen quite minimal and
simple, i think it depends on how your brain is wired at the moment of
listening. but i cant sleep with music on. If anyone has any further
A significant portion of the exhibit showcases the 1994 The World Party
oh god, really?? Detroit music and underground party scene existed just fine
on it's own before Marvin threw a Supersized Stadium Rave[TM] right
I was just forwarded this:
LUVSIK
(do you know what it feels like?)
Valentine's Day
Friday, February 14th
either your working, spending it alone or hangin' with someone special...
On 1/28/03 7:27 AM, Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Metrotimes also has an article about this:
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=4518
A spokesman of Kilpatrick says:
If necessary, Dickens says, the name will change to the Detroit
International Electronic Music
Can I second Black Buildings most heartily, heard the *whole* album
recently rather than the vinyl EP and it is awesome (thanks Ken),
does anyone know if the whole album got a vinyl release?
Records I have inspected the inside of my eyelids to:
Global Communication - Remotion
FSOL - Lifeforms
Alot of the titles mentioned are very sleepy,
However, has anyone mentioned DeepChord?
I find their production to be very relaxing.
Maybe I am too rhythmic of a sleeper. :)
ID
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:42:07 +
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Not forgetting the mighty BOC. Music has the right.. is a landmark LP of
that genre. A shame that Geogaggi couldn't quite follow it up.
On a Detroit tip, Infiniti's Skyway one the best things Juan ever did
IMO.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Can anyone tell me what major distributors are stocking logistic
releases in the states? Getting them domestically seems almost as
challenging as getting Japanese imports.
Thanks!
Leslie Rollins
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From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 27,
Wow - look at this from the article
As the party
i think the operative word in that quote is chuckles. the whole thing is
funny.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: (313) more demf stuff...
Wow - look at this from
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, diana potts wrote:
HOWever, I think it's really unfortunate that
something that was so beautiful and community oriented
in its beginning has turned into a somewhat monster of
egos. What does this portray to people on the outside
of Detroit, of its music community?
Here
Hell,why not book Kiss and Alice Cooper too?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:57 PM
To: Jongsma, K.J.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) more demf stuff...
Wow - look at this from the article
As the
sorry, I wasn't very clear before, I was looking for contact info for
Alex Patterson, as in THE ORB Alex Patterson, apparently there are
others bearing his name (or he theirs)...
BOC - v. nice indeed, agree about Geogaggi though, shame
Thanks
Dan
Not forgetting the mighty BOC. Music has
Here is my research on this. Looks like Derrick tried to (R) the trademark,
but didn't finish.
If anyone is in contact with they ought to make sure that he knows they were
asking for more info...
Still, the name isn't important - the music and the location is.
Details are below.
yours,
At 11:37 AM -0500 1/28/03, Ian wrote:
A spokesman of Kilpatrick says:
If necessary, Dickens says, the name will change to the Detroit
International Electronic Music Festival, or some such variation.
D.I.E.M.F.?
Die M-F?
Personally, I'd like to see the acronym M.F.I.C. worked into
Aloha,
There was a mix someone posted a week or two ago from a French site. It
wasn't W Sound. I can't even remember what dj it was...all I know is my
crappy little Wallstreet P-Book freaked out I had to initialize everything
including my precious toolbar faves! Thanks in advance? Oh, my current
Does anyone have any info about this show on Feb. 13?
Live or DJ set? If it's a DJ set can anyone tell me what to expect?
I'm thinking about driving out from Kalamazoo.
Thanks, Dave
I know this is not the tech gear list but I just lost my headphones and need
some monitors and am interested in any recomendations anyone hear is willing to
give.
My ears were damaged as a kid so my hearing needs all the help it can get.
Thanks
LOL,
Well, I dunno about Dinky starting a new movement, but she's a decent
DJ and nice person to get to chat with. I had the opportunity to
speak
with her for a little bit at an after-party get together when she spun
in
Philly in late summer last year.
Not everyone was receptive to her spinning
Current Status: Abandoned: Applicant failed to respond to an Office action
ah,ah,ah, ROFL,is it the same guy who wants to run a business, put D music
to the next level?
The building block around which an artist constructs his/her professional
appearance, is attitude.
If one cant meet
test too...
(I'm new to the list, my first post a few days ago didn't go through...)
an introduction will follow if that goes through :)
peace,
cyhl
Mark S. Krüx wrote:
Just re-subbing with the new addyplease disregard:-)
Cheers,
m*
_
Mark
To be fair, the abandonment might have been beyond Derrick's control. There
is a certain burden of proof that needs to be met to register a trademark.
If you can't meet it (because perhaps you aren't doing trade under the
said mark - or aren't doing it *yet*) then you can't do much more than
http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/nrpb/nrpb-home.html
Shouldn't there be any techno on this list? If we don't participate, we
won't be included.
definitely,
Smart people surround themselves with competent people
From: Mark Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) DEMF (R)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:36:58 -0600
To be fair, the abandonment might have been beyond Derrick's control.
does anyone really give a sh*t if its called DEMF? It could be called
detroit happy fart time, as long as it had good artists, I would go.
rob buse
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Could someone kindly pass along his info?
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Matthew
does anyone really give a sh*t if its called DEMF? It could be called
detroit happy fart time, as long as it had good artists, I would go.
I second that! I could care less if it's called DEMF or not...for that
matter it doesn't even really matter to me if it's at Hart Plaza, it could
be on
Hello 313'ers,
Was wondering if anybody out there can I.D the first two tracks off Kevin
Saunderson's 'DeepcyberSpace Radio: Volume 1' c.d which I bought through the
KMS website recently.
Track 1: Building groove with female vocal sample
You, you are my life...deal me up
Track 2: Extremely
Looks like there is a new Subject Detroit release out: DOG STAR "Returning Back to Sirius." Laurent Garnier plays itin hisnew mix from Rome. It is the second track into the set.
http://stream.wizzz.net:8080/ramgen/lg/mixes/LGMix_Rome_2.rm
Looks like this one is promo only for now? It is a nice
Can I second Black Buildings most heartily, heard
the *whole* album recently rather than the vinyl EP
and it is awesome (thanks Ken), does anyone know if
the whole album got a vinyl release?
Yes... there's a Black Buildings 2xLP that contains more tracks than the 2x10
EP. And the CD
It could be called detroit happy fart time, as long as it had good
artists, I would go.
rob buse
'allo 'allo. that's got a rather catchy ring to it! ;-P
cheers
lrh
So, here am i :)
I live somewhere lost between NYC and Philly, and I spin minimal techno
here and
there, for example at the NYEX party at Drinkland (Tuesday nights in
NYC)... I spin
downtempo too, but that's another story ! And here are some other things
that might
be of interest to some of
Be nice to me -- I have friends in Detroit!
fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian
Subject: Re: (313) more demf stuff...
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:37:24 -0500
D.I.E.M.F.?
Die M-F?
That's precious.
The solution is to let D May and C Craig run this years festival if
they cant take care of business they only have themselves to blame.
It's smart the city has D May on a one year trail basis.
on 1/28/03 1:33 PM, xx xx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Current Status: Abandoned: Applicant failed to
The solution is to let D May and C Craig run this years festival if
they cant take care of business they only have themselves to blame.
It's smart the city has D May on a one year trail basis.
on 1/28/03 1:33 PM, xx xx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Current Status: Abandoned: Applicant failed to
One things for sure.
I'm glad I'm not in Derrick May or Carl Craig shoes, that's a lot of
stress and pressure to put on one person.
MILLIONS of people are counting on them to make this festival
happen.
on 1/28/03 4:30 PM, spw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The solution is to let D May and C Craig
The solution is to let D May and C Craig run this years festival if
they cant take care of business they only have themselves to blame.
It's smart the city has D May on a one year trail basis.
While Carl is serving on the creative director/advisory board, he is
NOT...repeat NOT
One things for sure.
I'm glad I'm not in Derrick May or Carl Craig shoes, that's a lot of
stress and pressure to put on one person.
MILLIONS of people are counting on them to make this festival
happen.
It's not on one person's shoes. There's a whole team of people in place
working
It's funny because the story behind Cyborg K is that I was abducted by
aliens from Sirius B who implanted a chip in my head, and now I recieve
their transmissions, which I must broadcast to the people of planet earth in
order to facilitate the evolution of our species and prevent the apocalypse
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