Sorry to chime in so late. Have to say I'm feeling Matt. The one thing I
would add is that even though I think it's a tad irresponsible to release
records like these in limited numbers when we all know what the Ebay/GEMM
markets are like, that still does not compell me to side with the
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From: FC2 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: (313) UR
You know, I really don't seem to remember ever hearing anyone complaining
about the boot legging of the Set Up 707 record that Edge of Motion put
I thought John Arnold's set was excellent when I saw him in Los Angeles with
John Beltran. I can't wait to check out his forthcoming Ubiquity album.
PS - If you read this John come back out to LA!
From: Sylvie da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: (313) John Arnold was THE Man
Date: Mon,
like most djs, i've got a large pile of bootlegs. everything from love is
the message to derek may's wildtime remixes and the automan series. my
favourite record stores have a special bootleg section, categorized by the
different bootleg series.
bootlegs are an important part of my record
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From: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Innes Macnee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: (313) artists vs. bootlegging
like most djs, i've got a large pile of bootlegs.
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From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FC2 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
You know, I really don't seem to remember ever hearing anyone
complaining
about the boot legging of the Set Up 707 record that Edge of Motion put
out
on DJAX. I know DJAX had a
yep thanks to matt and the others who support artist label rights! but
reallyDUH!!
would add is that even though I think it's a tad irresponsible to release
but wait tristan...irresponsible !? labels have ZERO responsiblity, much
less any inherent ability ($ wise or business sense) to
I find myself waiting for Otto to chime in here (the man has a doctorate in
issues relating to supply and demand after all). But I don't want to put
him on the spot. ;) So here's my humble opinion:
Unfortunately, this may be the result of fallout from the heavyhanded
tactics of the record
((to keep this On topic-Justin has produced with
Great Lakes records, Ollie's label, and also losely
with plus 8.))
I've been diggin' these downloads lately. They are
big, but worth it. Glitch Art 1 is just that-minimal
glitch on the BVL tip. I usually pop it in early
morning.
Glitch Art
Sorry to make you less evil here but that was a perfectly legal re-press
from Djax, there were a couple of white label re-presses of Djax around that
time. I can remember DJ Skull's Met'L'Gear floating around as white label
to.
You know, I really don't seem to remember ever hearing anyone
I have to agree. First of all the artist who made record never gets any
money from a bootleg, the bootleggers are cashing in on money belonging to
first of all the artist and second to the original record label. The
bootleggers are getting money which does not belong to them, they are
stealing it,
Last time I asked about the Peacefrog records they had been having problems getting them cut - apparently they were on their third or forth attempt.
I know they were due at least a month ago - so hopefully they should be out soon.
Cheers
BT
Yeah, but you could've bought the Moodymann records
read ian's piece again
Underground Artist X doesn't want to make more money for whatever reason
because they wouldn't suply according to demand.
it has an analogy with Prince who signed a contract in which he gives the
rights of his masters to the record company ... and later portraits himself
to me it's like ... i'm sitting here ... and I ain't moving principle ...
and yes you have some points
but also the label should be thankfull that ppl buy their records
it takes two to tango ...
to say it in dutch
het bestaan van de 1 bestaat bij de gratie van de ander
and now i'll shut up
and talking about stealing ... the reason why Moodyman can't
repress is
..well you know .. ;) .. even if he did a great job
No don't know, tell me by the sound of it he told you :)
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From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: (313) artists vs. bootlegging
and talking about stealing ... the reason why Moodyman can't
repress is
..well you know .. ;) ..
in the instance that you are discussing here the 'piece of art' is the whole
package, right? a bootlegged copy isn't actually the same artifact so
someone who buys that isn't actually getting the real deal, if indeed
releasing only a few of the actual item is part of the artistic 'statement'.
this
in the instance that you are discussing here the 'piece of
art' is the whole
package, right? a bootlegged copy isn't actually the same artifact so
someone who buys that isn't actually getting the real deal, if indeed
releasing only a few of the actual item is part of the
artistic
i was trying to make the point that if it really is an artistic statement
and not a business decision then the artistic statement isn't, in my
opionion, compromised. the business side of it is obviously a different ball
game.
it would be the same as your vase maker making only 5 vases
and then
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Mad'r wrote:
it has an analogy with Prince who signed a contract in which he gives the
rights of his masters to the record company ... and later portraits himself
as a slave .. while he was knowning what he signed at the time
the fact prince portraied himself as a slave was not so much
it would be the same as your vase maker making only 5 vases
and then someone
piling in with 500 reproductions - in years to come the
objects that hold
value (monetary) will be the five originals.
Dunno what your trying to say with this? There are legal laws in the music
industry
could get me a link of that ?
i've read some interviews where he tells that the troubles with his record
company Warner Brothers (same as sony ?) began when he had the publishing
rights but wanted the copyrights/masters of his 19 released albums too ...
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 08:22 AM, RAW2019 wrote:
but because his recordcompany didn't
find it in prince's [read: sony's]
you mean Warner's?
test
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] mixing highlight:
Kraftwerk Pocket Calculator vrs. Dico-D (Larry Heard) High Noon
http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/kraftwerkmix1.mp3
okay that's better, please disregard.
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Don't forget about Francois K's new party on Monday night at Cielo... NYer's
love monday night parties, less bridge and tunnel ;)
-Pete
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From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:08 PM
To: James Bucknell; Stephen Hart;
So, if Bill Van Loo is influential enough to be acronymed as a sort of
genre tag, why ain't he rich and famous?
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, diana potts wrote:
((to keep this On topic-Justin has produced with
Great Lakes records, Ollie's label, and also losely
with plus 8.))
I've been diggin'
I hadn't heard about that party... Any details or info about it?
Eric
At 09:28 AM 4/11/2003 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
Don't forget about Francois K's new party on Monday night at Cielo... NYer's
love monday night parties, less bridge and tunnel ;)
-Pete
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From:
Here's some more info :
Looking for a little Monday night spice? From Francois K, one of the
masterminds who brought us Body Soul (currently on NYC hiatus) comes Deep
Space, a new weekly Monday night dance party designed to bring down the
mothership. Featuring vintage Jamaican and modern dub,
And yet more info...sounds like crap if you ask me, though Mondays may be
different.
http://www.naughtybooth.com/board/showthread.php?s=threadid=32522highlight
=Cielo
http://www.cieloclub.com
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From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Eric' [EMAIL PROTECTED];
I think I got an email about this actually... I just wish it was a bit
earlier. I miss Body Soul ending at midnight and getting me home in time
to be able to get up for work on Monday.
At 09:45 AM 4/11/2003 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
Here's some more info :
Looking for a little Monday
ARTIST: DISCO D
TITLE: A NIGHT AT THE BOOTY BAR
LABEL: TOMMY BOY
FORMAT: CD
RELEASE DATE: 9 JUNE 2003
CAT. NO: TB-1565-2
Disco D is dirty like Uncle Luke. His music is fast and nasty like the
neighborhood slut you went to school with and if Mr. Mathers is Detroit's
worst kept secret, Disco D is
someone brought up a really good point in this thread. illegal
samples are used pretty frequently by artists, including moodymann
and theo parrish. now i find it slightly hypocritical to be
jacking someone else's stuff and then not allowing your stuff to
be jacked. but thats not my main point in
11/4/03 3:51 PM Thomas D. Cox, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
someone brought up a really good point in this thread. illegal
samples are used pretty frequently by artists, including moodymann
and theo parrish. now i find it slightly hypocritical to be
jacking someone else's stuff and then not allowing
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From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
True enough, but it don't stop it hurting when you put your money
behind
something and then someone else jacks you and your left with
nothing but a
red bill
but youve already done the same thing! i
someone brought up a really good point in this thread. illegal
samples are used pretty frequently by artists, including moodymann
and theo parrish. now i find it slightly hypocritical to be
jacking someone else's stuff and then not allowing your stuff to
be jacked. but thats not my main point in
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From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
red bill
but youve already done the same thing! i just cant feel compassion
for one and not the other. the forms of stealing are different for
sure, but both bootlegging and illegaly
hmm strange
using samples, illegal or not, is not the same as stealing someone
else's entire creation outright...
i dont know why you think bootlegging is stealing someones creation, they
are not exactly putting their own name on it and bootlegging is not a great
business to be in if you actually want to
:But we run a club and rig so they money always goes somewhere, 12' are
a
:luxury to us...
I think 12ft records are a luxury for most of us :P
He will be returning to Ann Arbor (Outside of Detroit) to the Necto on Sun
April 27th for a cd release party
On 4/11/2003, Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ARTIST: DISCO D
TITLE: A NIGHT AT THE BOOTY BAR
LABEL: TOMMY BOY
FORMAT: CD
RELEASE DATE: 9 JUNE 2003
CAT. NO: TB-1565-2
sean deason wrote:
hmm strange
TGIF!
Hey Gang!
After a few minor setbacks from Morpheus, Neo, and Trinity, the Matrix
machine is now up and running again :^)
Just thought I'd share with you guys the final decisions for the 313 Remix
Project. After sorting through the numerous and varied remixes (many of them
quite brilliant!) I have
Friday 18 April : Derrick May Francois K
'The Cosmic Twins' - UK debut
Sankeys Soap, Manchester.
Does anyone have any info on this (i.e is it a live show
or just a back 2 back d.j'ing stint - I read somewhere
that they have been in the studio together recently) ??
Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i dont know why you think bootlegging is stealing someones creation,
they
are not exactly putting their own name on it and bootlegging is not a
great
business to be in if you actually want to make money
what about ppl selling tunes for $100 on ebay? is
i dont know why you think bootlegging is stealing someones creation, they
are not exactly putting their own name on it and bootlegging is not a great
business to be in if you actually want to make money
are you kidding me?! it's releasing someone's music without paying that
someone for their
I could be wrong, but I thought from the context that Ken meant these
days
?
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Matthew MacQueen wrote:
It has to be said on the whole also that America is not
the major place for underground movements of any kind.
Avant-garde music ('cause
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