to hear a distinguished law professor admit that.
At 09:56 AM 8/5/2003 +0100, Ryan Snowden wrote:
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i guess that's the same as many areas of law
on 6/8/03 4:10 PM, James Hurlbut at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recently went to a talk by Stanford Law Professor and media critic
Lawrence Lessig where he said that in terms of practical real world
copyright law as it is being applied these
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Well from listening to this strings for a couple of times, I can
tell that
at the beginning they start the same as jaguar but than it gets
different
really quickly. Than at another point there's
no one has mentioned the possibility that they both sampled
strings from the same source and then flipped them differently.
obviously this house track was made during a period of sample
heavy marrs/coldcut influenced stuff. so its entirely possible the
strings are from an old song and that they
On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote:
no one has mentioned the possibility that they both sampled
strings from the same source and then flipped them differently.
obviously this house track was made during a period of sample
heavy marrs/coldcut influenced stuff. so its
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no one has mentioned the possibility that they both sampled
strings from the same source
what you could get a judge to buy
who had little understanding of music.
_Dave
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Subject: Re: (313) Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:08:14 -0500
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You're kidding
so let me get all of this correct...according to everyone here on
this list the general opinion is that UR and rolando sampled this TCOY
track and did not make it them selfs.man with all of the
bullshit that surrounded the jaguar you think someone else would have
dug this up if it
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My friend Rich found this:
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string synth at the beginning, contrast and compare
my thoughts exactly...
peace
On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 07:06 PM, MM wrote:
so let me get all of this correct...according to everyone here on
this list the general opinion is that UR and rolando sampled this TCOY
track and did not make it them selfs.man with all of the
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My friend Rich found this:
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string synth
:
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Please respond to
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Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
It also is note for note the same as the beginning couple of bars of the
strings in Jaguar ... just interesting to compare.
My friend who found that thought that Rolando was copying; I argued that
the string line on both are fairly generic and depend
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Damn where do I start with this -
you need to learn a bit more about copyright issues, sampling and music
law, and fair use:
http://www.music-law.com/sampling.html
There is also a rumor going around that you can use four notes of any
song
, August 04, 2003 8:08 PM
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Hate to disagree, but it actually seems obvious to me that the Jaguar
strings weren't sampled from this. For a start off, as I believe someone
observed, there would need
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Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
so let me get all of this correct...according to everyone here on
this list the general opinion is that UR and rolando sampled this TCOY
track and did not make
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From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I mean, go dig out Jaguar again and tell me that's a sample...
IMHO
there is no way. Have you ever tried to sample stuff and use it
in a
track? There's extraordinary difficulty in finding a
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now after talking about
it for a bit and realizing thati would find it REAL hard that
it
could be sampled knowing how important the record was to
rolando
thats all i am saying .
now youre
I mean, go dig out Jaguar again and tell me that's a sample...
IMHO there is no way. Have you ever tried to sample stuff and use it
in a
track? There's extraordinary difficulty in finding a clean
enough
version of that string part of the track to be able to sample it
and
make Jaguar
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Kent williams wrote:
My friend Rich found this:
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string synth at the beginning, contrast and compare with
synth strings in Night of the Jaguar
Doesn't the piano there sound just like SL2's Changing
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I mean, go dig out Jaguar again and tell me
I mean, go dig out Jaguar again and tell me that's a sample... IMHO
there is no way. Have you ever tried to sample stuff and
use it in a
track? There's extraordinary difficulty in finding a clean enough
version of that string part of the track to be able to sample it and
make
the jungle producer adam f replayed a big chuck of a bob james
track (nautilus i think it was) and turned it into a jungle tune
that got released on a major and AFAIK didnt get sample clearance.
Hmm. I can't believe that - big labels are usually pretty weary of things
like that - even if the
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| the jungle producer adam f replayed a big chuck of a bob james
| track (nautilus i
Yes I remember them 'Tell me how it Feels'
Mind you there were a couple of nice 'pop house' tracks on the first
M-People record.
Yes give the man a break he virtualy brought House Music to the Hacienda way
back...and possibly opened many a door to the UK dance scene, expecially in
the North
My friend Rich found this:
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string synth at the beginning, contrast and compare with
synth strings in Night of the Jaguar
Well they use the same (Oberheim?) synth for sure, but that is where
the comparison ends i think?
KJ
On maandag, aug 4, 2003, at 19:48 Europe/Amsterdam, Kent williams wrote:
My friend Rich found this:
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string synth at the
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|Well they use the same (Oberheim?) synth for sure, but that is where
|the comparison ends i think?
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maybe if you're tone-deaf :) in two distinct places, the melody is,
note-by-note, an excact copy. that being
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I agree totally :)
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From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 6:48 PM
Subject: (313) Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
My friend Rich found this:
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string
On maandag, aug 4, 2003, at 20:08 Europe/Amsterdam, Kent williams wrote:
It also is note for note the same as the beginning couple of bars of
the
strings in Jaguar ... just interesting to compare.
Oh sure but i think that it so more a coincident, i once got accused by
someone for copying a
Do the strings appear by themselves in the original house tune?
_Dave
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Subject: Re: (313) Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:37:28 -0500
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To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think most musicologists
) Jaguar
Strings on 80s House record?
08/04/03 01:13 PM
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You're kidding right? A coincidence? Everything in that string bit is in
Jaguar -even how the notes waver before the descending notes come in.
This more than sounds a lot like
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most likely get sued in turn if Eric B Rakim knew about it. So, I'm sure
the producer of Carino, if they are alive still, are keeping real quiet and
it's mike pickering if my memory serves right. (better known also as
part of
KJ wrote:
It also is note for note the same as the beginning couple of bars of
the strings in Jaguar ... just interesting to compare.
Oh sure but I think that it's more a coincidence, I once got accused by
someone for copying a melody from a Joy Division record once. I never
realized it
The Billyjean bassline is from Billy Oceans Carribean Queen BTW :^)
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Subject: Re: (313) Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
I think
http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3
Listen to the string synth at the beginning, contrast and compare with
synth strings in Night of the Jaguar
You know after listening to this twice I think they're similar in sound
and some but not so much so that one was a note by note
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Subject: Re: (313) Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
You're kidding right? A coincidence? Everything in that
string bit
: (313) Jaguar Strings on 80s House record?
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:08:14 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You're kidding right? A coincidence? Everything in that string bit is in
Jaguar -even how the notes waver before the descending notes come in.
This more
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