Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-03 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 7/2/07, Jeff Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking forward big time to the M500 remixes, but I think vantage isle IS something special. There are some very nice moments on there; my fave being actually the all too short SpaceCho dub, which takes me straight back to BC-08. good stuff.

RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-03 Thread J.T.
they're both both still on. i am not sure what the release date for the frustrated funk record is. the e.r.p. remastered re-press will be out in august jt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 2, 2007 11:22 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313

RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-03 Thread Odeluga, Ken
@ken yes you old and dunno poo mtf give it up 3 jt So long as I keep my whack taste, not veering down any dodgy spank rock or ed banger paths, no matter how 'ironically' I claim that I am doing this, I think I'll be fine! :)

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-03 Thread Ramon Crespo
On Jul 2, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 7/2/07, Antonio Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's awesome given my white vinyl copy sounds like crap. they had black pressings of starlight available at submerge over the festival, they sound very good! colored wax always

RE: (313) Justice

2007-07-02 Thread Odeluga, Ken
I am giving myself an award today. Because until a couple of weeks ago when some floodgate opened in the heavens on to Great Britain, and in the virtual world into 313, I'd never heard of Justice, Ed Banger, and Spank Rock etc. (DJ Funk of course is somewhat more well-established.) Two weeks

Re: (313) Justice

2007-07-02 Thread kent williams
No. On 7/2/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am giving myself an award today. Because until a couple of weeks ago when some floodgate opened in the heavens on to Great Britain, and in the virtual world into 313, I'd never heard of Justice, Ed Banger, and Spank Rock etc. (DJ Funk of

RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Odeluga, Ken
to be released on echospace [detroit]. Ken -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2007 14:24 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Justice No. On 7/2/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am giving myself an award today. Because until

RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Toby Frith
ooohhh! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2007 14:42 To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion) Phew! OK, to get things somewhat back on topic, and as people mentioned M500 used in a commercial

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Aidan O'Doherty
Subject: Re: (313) Justice No. On 7/2/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am giving myself an award today. Because until a couple of weeks ago when some floodgate opened in the heavens on to Great Britain, and in the virtual world into 313, I'd never heard of Justice, Ed Banger

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread robin
I look forward to that. I see that Cybotron's Clear has been remixed too. From clips (it's on Juno's label) they don't sound like my cup of tea though. robin... Was reading on another forum that Starlight by Model 500 (co- produced by Mortiz von Oswald) has been remixed by Convextion

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 7/2/07, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look forward to that. I see that Cybotron's Clear has been remixed too. From clips (it's on Juno's label) they don't sound like my cup of tea though. cobblestone jazz's cover is kinda alright, i probably wouldnt buy it but if someone else played it

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread J.T.
it up 3 jt -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 2, 2007 10:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion) On 7/2/07, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look forward to that. I see that Cybotron's Clear has been remixed

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Antonio Alves
That's awesome given my white vinyl copy sounds like crap. Are there any plans for the re-release of Venus in Spurs too? :) Antonio On Jul 2, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Phew! OK, to get things somewhat back on topic, and as people mentioned M500 used in a commercial ... Was

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 7/2/07, Antonio Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's awesome given my white vinyl copy sounds like crap. they had black pressings of starlight available at submerge over the festival, they sound very good! colored wax always degrades quicker and picks up more crackles and pops, thats why i

RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
While you're on the blower on this subject can we have an update on something you said in April and I've had flagged since: there is another e.r.p. coming later on frustrated funk as well. also the e.r.p. dLVEXT2 will be re-pressed this summer with new mastering what's the situation on these

Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread jwan allen
for gerard's remix ;P very cool to hear dope jams (in nyc) is that good, wow.. @ken yes you old and dunno poo mtf give it up 3 jt -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 2, 2007 10:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion

RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)

2007-07-02 Thread Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: 980.322.1452 Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreyjdavis -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:07 AM To: Thomas D. Cox,Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Tristan Watkins
-Original Message- From: Generator Music [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 June 2007 19:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice Nevermind rolling stones or spinwhat about that Ford commercial??? I personally thought it was the Jackie Robinson moment

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice Yeah I didn't know it was some faux pas to mention them here. Laurent likes and plays them. Is it the image or music you dislike? I am enjoying the Justice album. There is a French sensibility I like. The song DANCE

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 June 2007 09:58 To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
Haha Tom, you are a great big silly Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 June 2007 22:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2007 04:26 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did chi people get all protective when detroit did their take on house? probably some did. detroit had their own dance culture

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
That contradicts what you've just been saying, you silly person Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2007 17:19 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
Think you meant to send it to the list, not just me! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Süd Electronic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2007 10:54 To: Robert Taylor Subject: Re: (313) Justice must add my two pence

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Taylor
breaks and drum n bass) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2007 11:20 To: Süd Electronic Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Justice Think you meant to send it to the list

RE: (313) Justice

2007-06-30 Thread Tristan Watkins
-Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2007 10:44 To: Tristan Watkins; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [SPAM-LOW] RE: (313) Justice Tsk - I think some grime works - at least those guys are not trying to sound American

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-29 Thread Rob G
in... http://www.low-bee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21236start=120 - Original Message From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:32:19 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice but I guess I just

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-29 Thread Generator Music
Nevermind rolling stones or spinwhat about that Ford commercial??? I personally thought it was the Jackie Robinson moment for Detroit Techno, the break this music was waiting for. I thought it was the greatest thing ever to happen to this music and it was a sign of things to come for this

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-29 Thread kent williams
I'm not entirely sure who it is you think missed the opportunity. They showed that ad a lot, and if anyone watching TV thought 'wow what is that?' they could have hit the internet to find out. I'm sure there is someone out there that saw that commercial and was turned on to the music, but that

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-29 Thread Generator Music
Everyone or anyone making this type of music. Yes, they showed the ad but this stuff takes a while since this music doesn't conform to stereotypes. And one commerical isn't going to do it but its a start. It would have encouraged challenging creativity in the music for different purposes.

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
you can add your own influence to something else. hiphop culture is all over the globe now, and it has been mutated and added on to. i personally think all of this stuff sucks, but at least it is being done by people who live that culture as best as it is done in their country. spank rock and ta

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread /0
: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice you can add your own influence to something else. hiphop culture is all over the globe now, and it has been mutated and added on to. i personally think all of this stuff sucks, but at least it is being done by people who live that culture

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread J.T.
27, 2007 8:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice y0y0y0y0y0y0y0y00y00y0yy0y0y0y0y00y0yy00y0y00y0y0y0y0y0y00y0y0y0y0y0yy0, i dont see why this even matters anyways, either music is good or it isnt. tom has the for-real-o-meter though, for real. G. - Original Message

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread diana potts
Subject: Re: (313) Justice y0y0y0y0y0y0y0y00y00y0yy0y0y0y0y00y0yy00y0y00y0y0y0y0y0y00y0y0y0y0y0yy0, i dont see why this even matters anyways, either music is good or it isnt. tom has the for-real-o-meter though, for real. G. - Original Message - From: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did chi people get all protective when detroit did their take on house? probably some did. detroit had their own dance culture already going on, as well as taking part in chicago's house culture. insisting that new permutations are wrong is just

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so how are they *not* down with the culture? What would they be doing differently if they were down with the culture? they would have records out on labels, have deejay residencies, live in baltimore, etc etc. instead they came from nowhere and

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
also JT, if you want an example of doing it right by these small genres, look to Mo Wax in the summer of 00. they wanted to represent ghetto tech and miami bass, but they didnt go out and find some white hipsters to make a joke out of it. instead they got DJ Assault and Magic Mike to drop LPs:

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread J.T.
also JT, if you want an example of doing it right by these small genres, look to Mo Wax in the summer of 00. they wanted to represent ghetto tech and miami bass, but they didnt go out and find some white hipsters to make a joke out of it. instead they got DJ Assault and Magic Mike to drop LPs:

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread J.T.
detroit had their own dance culture already going on, as well as taking part in chicago's house culture. detroit had it's own sub-culture yes, they shouldn't have come along and appropriated chicago's. and chicago shouldn't have appropriated new york's. music institute was just a wannabe music

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Cyclone Wehner
kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org il.com cc: Subject: Re: (313) Justice 27/06/07 15:36 On the british tip

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread kent williams
This wins for the longest thread in recent memory. Thanks to all (and Tom) for not getting super-salty and personal for a change. My 2 Cents: Tittsworth just played here. I haven't even heard his records, but in my opinion he ripped sh*t up. He throws everything but the kitchen sink into his

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Carlos de Brito
speaking of dj funk: in an interview (for those who understand german: http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4588.html, quite funny read...) he says that he's going to release stuff on ed banger. as far as i know there's only a remix for justice's waters of nazareth so far. oh, back on topic. if you wanna

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
From: Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:55:45 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice speaking of dj funk: in an interview (for those who understand german: http://www.de-bug.de/texte/4588.html, quite funny read...) he says that he's going to release stuff

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so shocked and disappointed that a serious, real artist such as DJ Funk (from a genuine place like Chicago) would pander to working with such transparent and vapid scenesters as Justice (from Paris no less... what the hell do they know about

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
well, yes but... I was being heavy handedly sarcastic. but now you bring money into it... - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:19:29 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, yes but... I was being heavy handedly sarcastic. but now you bring money into it... my whole problem is that these guys that i dont like are taking money, exposure, popularity, and credit from the people who really deserve it. which is part of

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Anya K Stang
cc: Subject: Re: (313) Justice 27/06/07 15:36 On the british tip, any MC that tries to sound American is as weak as almost all Americans who try to make Drum and Bass. People I have respect for -- like

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread Greg Earle
diana potts wrote: someone wake me up when they get out the kiddie pool and mud. or might I suggest just chasing eachother in a circle for similar results. Personally, I'm waiting for the J.T./Kooky Scientist/Tomm WWF steel-cage mud wrestling deathmatch. :D - Greg P.S. As for all

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Greg Earle wrote: P.S. As for all the Justice/Spank Rock/etc. discussion - I thought this was the (313) Detroit Techno list, not the Whatever Music The (313) Listmembers Feel Like Discussing At The Moment list?!? OK, nobody talk about Delsin anymore! --

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread diana potts
Personally, I'm waiting for the J.T./Kooky Scientist/Tomm WWF steel-cage mud wrestling deathmatch. Count me in for a block of season tickets. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo!

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:29:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, yes but... I was being heavy handedly sarcastic. but now you bring money into it... my whole problem is that these guys that i dont like are taking money

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you about that problem, and again, this is part and parcel to the appropriation issue. but - again, personal anecdote here - I've purchased a lot of baltimore club 12s at this point, but a few years back I'd never heard of it. What exposed me

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Nick Breinich
, 2007 9:29:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/28/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, yes but... I was being heavy handedly sarcastic. but now you bring money into it... my whole problem is that these guys that i dont like are taking money, exposure, popularity, and credit from

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
fine but my point was in terms of money - I would have not sent what I did into the hands of DJ Technics, Rod Lee, etc if it wasn't for the Hollertronix mix that put their stuff in my ears. those guys got paid more money then that might have if it weren't for the youngsters propagation of it.

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread J.T.
Personally, I'm waiting for the J.T./Kooky Scientist/Tomm WWF steel-cage mud wrestling deathmatch. tom and i are friends, there's no animosity...we just like to argue about social/cultural bs, we're probably on the same page anyways. P.S. As for all the Justice/Spank Rock/etc. discussion -

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
i think all the issues we've been talking about relate equally as much to detroit techno, no? just replace spank rock with ritchie hawtin, technics with mike banks, and bmore with detroit, et voila thanx for that. in my last post I was tempted to mention Disco D and DJ Assault to that

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/28/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wait, we're talking about labels now? well, mo'wax were just putting out music they liked. i know those guys, i worked with them too remember. but thats the thing, they approached it like fans of the music, not someone trying to get paid by putting

Re: (313) Justice finale??

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/28/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think all the issues we've been talking about relate equally as much to detroit techno, no? just replace spank rock with ritchie hawtin, technics with mike banks, and bmore with detroit, et voila it is true, this is a constant problem in all kinds

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread Rob G
and it's still not really about bmore. they are bringing attention to the music. they shouldn't? not in this disingenuous manner. Thomas, I really really hear you on a lot of what you are saying in your email, and yes, there's a twisted element at the core of American pop culture where

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-28 Thread J.T.
but I guess I just don't get what *would* be a genuine way of calling attention to the music? (in contrast to this disingenuous manner). well put..i agree with most of what tom is saying at some level, but it's impossibly idealistic and entirely speculative. idealism is vital tho. but yeah.

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2007-06-27 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Yeah I dig that. I wish I didn't have a migraine guys, I'd deal with this thread more graciously then! ;) I think it's the thought of MIMS that did it... On 27/06/2007, at 8:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also on the dope instrumental hiphop tip, Dr. Who Dat? (aka janiero jarel)

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
i certainly wouldnt call spank rock boring nah, but id call them pretty terrible. theyre right up there with tittworth and ayres, diplo, etc in that why are these guys out there representing this kind of music?!?!?! category for me. representing what? bmore? why shouldn't they? do you not like

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/26/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: representing what? bmore? why shouldn't they? because someone else who really does it should, rod lee, technics, etc. ive been down with the club music for a long minute now, i never heard of them until suddenly it started getting hyped up by other

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
because someone else who really does it should, rod lee, technics, etc. ive been down with the club music for a long minute now, i never heard of them until suddenly it started getting hyped up by other white deejays. damm why is everybody so defensive today? i don't care how long you've been

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/26/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damm why is everybody so defensive today? i don't care how long you've been down with it, i just didn't think it was your style. i actually love club music, its not something i listen to constantly, but i always bump it in the ride when im in bmore

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
oh yeah, lil uno from the pack is not lil uno the latino mc. the pack are too short proteges btw, one of them is his nephew. i mostly just like the slow minimal 808 ones, not the faster electro-rap jams, they're ok but nothing unique

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
down to it from time to time. it reminds me of a cross between UK hardcore and dance mania, combining 2 of my loves. hehe yep, that's totally what it is, with sloppier sampling i mean, i dont know how much time youve spent in bmore, but one of the great things about it is club music. they rock

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2007-06-27 Thread Nathan
also on the dope instrumental hiphop tip, Dr. Who Dat? (aka janiero jarel) Jniero's music is solid - Three Piece Puzzle has been on heavy rotation here for the last two years Lex records is a fine label too MEK yeah, jneiro jarel does it for me. the instrumental album was 'beat

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Tristan Watkins
- Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:55 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice i mean, i dont know how much time youve spent in bmore, but one of the great things about it is club music

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread kent williams
On the british tip, any MC that tries to sound American is as weak as almost all Americans who try to make Drum and Bass. People I have respect for -- like the Streets, and Goldie Lookin Chains -- aren't even trying to make real hip hop: they're doing something uniquely British. They don't hit

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
jazzy and hip funny how hip gets associated with jazzy but not with the party stuff - which has a hip factor that's different but all its own just sayin' MEK

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2007-06-27 Thread Gary . Girard
il.com cc: Subject: Re: (313) Justice 27/06/07 15:36

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2007-06-27 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
: (313) Justice 27/06/07 15:36 On the british tip, any MC that tries to sound American is as weak as almost all Americans who try to make Drum and Bass. People I have respect for -- like the Streets, and Goldie Lookin Chains -- aren't even trying to make real hip

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
Man, I really never got into that stuff when I lived there. It just sounded like garbage re-hashed hardcore with incredibly tired beat samples to me. It there's a lot of that. but it's not all that. there's some gems. everybody who's really cool is playing kuduru now tho :P

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, I really never got into that stuff when I lived there. It just sounded like garbage re-hashed hardcore with incredibly tired beat samples to me. It still eludes me. its just another variation on the ghetto tech/booty house/miami bass

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dunno man, sometimes it's unfair to blame the artist. blame the hypemachine(s). everything i've read about him is very humble and straightforward -- and doesn't even mention bmore. it's all nyc...i dunno. other bmore stuff can blow up in it's own

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the general verdict on Roots Manuva ? I've not heard any new material from him for a while but I still love Brand New Second Hand, Run Come Save Me Dub Come Save Me. He's the best UK MC that I know of. i agree, and i like him

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: usually though, the people who make it are the ones who break it out. now suddenly, we're seeing hipster appropriations become the standard while no one else is getting the props they deserve. its weak. Not a recent thing unfortunately.

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, on this board is anyone here still got beef with people in the UK becoming fans of hey-day late 80's techno from Detroit and Chicago... and (fake gasp) making their own takes on those styles? i have no beef, but as with UK emcees and the

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Rob G
, 2007 8:56:59 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dunno man, sometimes it's unfair to blame the artist. blame the hypemachine(s). everything i've read about him is very humble and straightforward -- and doesn't even mention bmore. it's all nyc...i

Re: (313) Justice

2007-06-27 Thread Rob G
: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:24:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, on this board is anyone here still got beef with people in the UK becoming fans of hey-day late 80's techno from Detroit and Chicago... and (fake gasp) making their own takes

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2007-06-27 Thread Jeff Davis
: 980.322.1452 Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreyjdavis -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:59 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's

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2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
its not about straight up stealing a sound, its about getting popular with a watered down version of something that isnt even his to water down. theyre the elvises of club music. that's all cultural politics, which concerns me, but it's beside the fact of whether the music is good or not, and

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2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's all cultural politics, which concerns me, but it's beside the fact of whether the music is good or not, and while i can't say it doesn't affect my opinion of music if i know the backstory etc, i don't think it should. its not cultural

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2007-06-27 Thread /0
PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's all cultural politics, which concerns me, but it's beside the fact of whether the music is good or not, and while i can't say it doesn't affect my

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2007-06-27 Thread Rob G
of something they genuinely admire... can they help it if they get popular? Was it Elvis's fault he was white? - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:10:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL

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2007-06-27 Thread J.T.
its not cultural politics, its whats right and whats wrong. hahaha ho-kay he should have said this is wrong, i am not the king of rock and roll, this is all nonsense, these are the people who made this music, they should be getting paid and be popular. obviously, he never did anything of the

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2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you've got a massive case of white guilt or self loathing or a bit or both. the only white people i loathe are those like you, jokers. tom

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2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, Magnus Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom, ahem as far as I know, Spank Rock are not all white: http://www.spankrock.net/ i addressed that point in another post. Director James Spooner, maker of the Movie afro punk even devines their music as Afro Punk - and Afro Punk is

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2007-06-27 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/27/07, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha you are crazy. i never said i wasnt. says who? are you kidding? i didnt even control how i was marketed with mo'wax/platinum projects, hence, they spelled my name wrong so you didnt sign with them in the first place? if you wanted to be

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2007-06-26 Thread Cyclone Wehner
2007 18:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice On 6/24/07, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does everyone think of these guys? I am really enjoying the album. The French really have their own sound and ethos. I love Mehdi on Ed Banger too! I feel they're doing what

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2007-06-26 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He used to produce MC Solaar. His wife is a graff artist, I believe. I think that Midfield General thing could be a favour as Damian Harris helped Justice find a choir for DANCE. On 26/06/2007, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2007-06-26 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 6/25/07, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He used to produce MC Solaar. i never really liked solaar either. to be honest, aside from a couple of UK emcees, i find most non-american hiphop to just be missing something. im not

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2007-06-26 Thread Odeluga, Ken
all of the above. i could tell from seeing them in trendy magazines that i wouldnt like them. when i heard their music (before knowing who it was that was playing) i never would have guessed that they would be *that* bad. but they are. horrible horrible nonsense. its like the less intelligent

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2007-06-26 Thread pauley
I just had a listen to it via junorecords. Does it sound better uncompressed? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:05 PM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Justice all of the above. i could tell from

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2007-06-26 Thread Martin Dust
- Original Message - From: pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: RE: (313) Justice I just had a listen to it via junorecords. Does it sound better uncompressed? No... m

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2007-06-26 Thread Tristan Watkins
- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: [SPAM-LOW] Re: (313) Justice On 6/25/07, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He used

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2007-06-26 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Papua New Guinean Yodelling would be worth the entrance fee in itself, surely... -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 June 2007 09:58 To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice - Original Message - From: Thomas D

Re: (313) Justice ed banger hiphop

2007-06-26 Thread J.T.
all of the above. i could tell from seeing them in trendy magazines that i wouldnt like them. when i heard their music (before knowing who it was that was playing) i never would have guessed that they would be *that* bad. but they are. horrible horrible nonsense. its like the less intelligent

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2007-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: (313) Justice I'm sure you wouldn't vomit if you concentrated on the tastiness of his name Tom. :) Just think, we have Ed(ward), as in King Edwards (a variety of English Potatoes) and 'Bangers' - slang for sausages. These are what you need for 'bangers and mash' ... that staple of UK haute

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