On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:19:20AM -0500, Matt Kane's Brain wrote:
there is a compilation of detroit releases called Deep Detroit Vol 1:
Techno-Soul (there was never a vol 2) released on Pow-wow Trance.
http://www.discogs.com/release/98409
Actually, there was a Deep Detroit Volume 2
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 09:34:29AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to know - what was the first Trance record that put the massive
build-ups and breakdowns on their way to the history books of dance
music?
I've always blamed Union Jack's Two Full Moons and a Trout on Rising
High for
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Late Night is still one of my favorites. Not only is it Mills
and Pierre on the remix (which I actually prefer a bit), but
both approaches are enough different to make it interesting.
I like it so much I have a double of this. The only problem is
that the pressing is extraordinarily weak --
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I think that has been raised before but obviously not with trance acts in
mind - more in the league of OutKast or as in George Clinton in a previous
year. The names I heard were mostly on the avant garde hip-hop or neo-soul
tip and I know DM wanted Air, Kraftwerk, etc, as he mentioned so in an
I think that option has been discussed and is very likely.
Yes! That's the best idea. How long did they plan the first event? They
should take the same, if not more, amount of time to plan the next
festival. If this event is that important then shouldn't the quality of
the event should
To: M : A : T : R : I : X
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll readily admit that I like trance music - of the variety that came out
on the Volume compilation sets. There are quite a few Detroit artists on
those. Check out these track listings:
http
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Sent: 28 January 2005 11:45
To: Martin Dust
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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Martin Dust wrote:
Some of his early work is very good,
yeah, then he want trance...
and lead to other pains in the azz. i know of
many artists who live below radar.
but i was just speculating wildly.
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shady past... what the fvck
He's got a few criminal records *LOL* sorry couldn't help it...
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Even if Movement had the money, city support, sponsors, logistics, etc. in
their hands, it looks like they'd be stuck booking only U.S.
artists..the following is downright scary:
(Stolen from a friend's journal
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i'm glad to hear that
anybody that doesn't have a criminal record hasn't been sticking
it to the
man!
i wasnt being critical of anyone with a criminal record, lord
knows theres enough laws i dont agree with
i agree. you can't move the festival, it's part of detroit. it's just another
festival anywhere else.
galivant!
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Sent: Jan 27, 2005 7:56 PM
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Wow!
David arent you happy
Please respond to
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i agree. you can't move the festival, it's part of detroit. it's just
another festival anywhere else.
galivant!
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I see your points. I was thinking of something nominal.
To be honest, the biggest expense in Detroit is the over inflated hotel
costs and the fact that the connecting flights from LA to Detroit boost it
so much. We could have almost two flights to London for the same! ;)
I think that Ian and
him say this before and
then 6 months later he was touring.
My 2cents
M
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From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:52 PM
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Even if Movement had the money, city support
and a trendy headliner would be good too.
I can see it now- Now playing on the trance stage...
said with extreme sarcasm
Hi Chana,
Not 100% sure this is addressed to me but I think it
is. I was not for one minute suggesting moving the
festival - if you read my post I was suggesting
running some form of event here in Europe to use the
profits to subsidise the free event in Detroit inorder
to guarantee its free
i hope he can see me taking the road to apathy about his existance
then.
i think apathy towards work permits is more like:
1.) bring cd's
2.) no contracts in luggage
3.) paid in cash
dj from laptop.
robin...
oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! I forgot that
trance was supposed to be taboo. a few weeks ago I was at a Dollar Store
and as I was checking out there was a CD display near the register. as I
spun through the terrible selection I came across a double CD compilation on
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! I forgot
that
trance was supposed to be taboo. a few weeks ago I was at a Dollar
Store
and as I was checking out there was a CD display near the register. as I
spun
Odeluga, Ken wrote:
I remember this compilation. There was a time when I worked for a
company and a lot of my work was in an underground library so, we could
play music as loud as we wanted. One guy brought those cds in one day
and it stayed in the player for a week. (This was in around 1998. I
Odeluga, Ken wrote
...What went wrong?
I reckon you can coincide it with Oakenfold going trance
Some of his early work is very good, we have a couple of CD's that get
a lot of play at LD Towers, there's a House one that starts with Milk
by Garbage - great one for the start of the day and there's a Global
Underground one that's great for afternoon action...
M
On 28 Jan 2005, at 11:35,
aesthetic.
just off the top of my head,
fab
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:14 PM
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oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! I
Martin Dust wrote:
Some of his early work is very good,
yeah, then he want trance...
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:14 PM
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oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! I forgot that
trance was supposed to be taboo. a few weeks ago I was at a Dollar Store
and as I was checking out there was a CD display near the register
He hasn't made any good music, I bet you like to Big brother title tune as well
Martin ;-)
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From: Hardie, Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:45
To: Martin Dust
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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Martin
: Hardie, Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:45
To: Martin Dust
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Martin Dust wrote:
Some of his early work is very good,
yeah, then he want trance...
title
tune as well Martin ;-)
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From: Hardie, Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:45
To: Martin Dust
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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Martin Dust wrote:
Some of his early work is very good,
yeah
Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:53
To: Paul Kendrick
Cc: Hardie, Nick; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) No Movement 2005?/Secret Life Of Trance
It's not that bad but I like Big Brother more, I really can't help what
I like, I just go with it, I even liked Steps.
Give
at the TV when you hear it.
Nope, I love trash TV...
M
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:53
To: Paul Kendrick
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It's not that bad but I
: theREALmxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:34 AM
To: Odeluga, Ken
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Odeluga, Ken wrote:
I remember this compilation. There was a time when I
developed into a more of a dystopian
urban and post-industrial aesthetic.
just off the top of my head,
fab
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Don't hold back Paul! ;-)
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From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:42
To: Hardie, Nick; Martin Dust
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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Just to make my feelings clear on Paul Twatfold
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oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! I forgot
that
trance
look at all of us trance lovers coming out of the closet! :^)
on 1/28/05 6:40 AM, fab. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words:
i have this compilation as well and it is a damn fine one if i may
say so. goes back to the time when there wasnt much of a
difference between trance
.
Crikey
Dont you want to chuck stuff at the TV when you hear it.
Nope, I love trash TV...
M
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 11:53
To: Paul Kendrick
Cc: Hardie, Nick; 313@hyperreal.org
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, January 28, 2005 12:14 PM
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oh wait...are we 313ers still supposed to hate Trance? oops! I
forgot that
trance was supposed to be taboo. a few weeks ago I was at a
Dollar Store
and as I was checking out there was a CD display near the
register. as I
spun through
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Aan: Hans Veneman
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there is a compilation of detroit releases called Deep
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Aan: Hans Veneman
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there is a compilation of detroit releases called Deep Detroit Vol 1:
Techno-Soul (there was never
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Aan: Hans Veneman
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there is a compilation of detroit releases
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On 28 Jan 2005, at 11:49, Paul Kendrick wrote:
When i tell people i like techno this is what they think i like, and
it makes go mad. Its thoughtless twat music for dicks who are feed
music by the record companies and cant think for them
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:50 AM
To: Blaauw, Martijn de
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and theres the incredile: Trance Atlantic compilations featuring tons of
Detroit and Chicago artists
Do you have a judge jules story as well;-)
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 13:56
To: Paul Kendrick
Cc: '313' Org
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Well I do have a funny Pete Tong story...
I once ripped off
Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 12:00
To: Paul Kendrick
Cc: '313' Org
Subject: Re: (313) No Movement 2005?/Secret Life Of Trance
On 28 Jan 2005, at 11:49, Paul Kendrick wrote:
When i tell people i like techno this is what they think i like, and
it makes go mad. Its
January 2005 13:56
To: Paul Kendrick
Cc: '313' Org
Subject: Re: (313) No Movement 2005?/Secret Life Of Trance
Well I do have a funny Pete Tong story...
I once ripped off his Essential Selection artwork for an advert for a
video game, my client got a very angry call from his lawyers and I had
www.perkinswill.com
Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:03 PM
To: Chana Goodman; 313
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i agree. you can't move the festival, it's part
as well;-)
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 January 2005 13:56
To: Paul Kendrick
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Well I do have a funny Pete Tong story...
I once ripped off his Essential Selection
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I'll readily admit that I like trance music - of the variety
that came out
on the Volume compilation sets. There are quite
RE: (313) No Movement 2005
' in it..
Was listening to it the other day and it still holds up fairly well I
thought
More than can be said of 80% of todays bilge..
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Sent: 28 January 2005 15:38
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down an all that.
http://www.discogs.com/release/216857
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I'll readily admit that I
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(What's this about MM living in Europe at the
moment? That I find hard
to believe.)
Well Im not sure about now, but I believe about a year
ago Mad Mike was camping out in Berlin.
chana
--- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
look at all of us trance lovers coming out of the
closet!
There are some who believe all trance started with Star Dancer :)
-- fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hans Veneman
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:55:22 +0100
Didn't Submerge label the Red Planet releases
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I'd pay $15 per day
I think there is a real difference to events which are free and
ones you need to pay to get into.
The challenge to put on a free event for everyone is much greater
and speaks alot more about what the event is trying to convey.
Putting an entrance fee on it
wow - my last message took forever to get through
MEK
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I'd pay $15 per day
Putting an entrance fee on it could result in a drop in attendance. Only
the real fans of the music will go and many of the raver kids just
looking for some music to practice
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I completely agree with what you're saying but I counter it all could be
done if everyone paid 5 bucks a day and accomplish what it needs to. Hell,
a beer down there is 5 bucks.
Peace,
Alex
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Martin
: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:43 PM
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OK this happens every year. Right or wrong, nothing starts on time. All
problems, funding, doom and gloom, management teams change 4 times,
sponsors drop, etc. etc. Drama. Somehow, something always happens.
Formal
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2005 20:11:24 -0500
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I completely agree with what you're saying but I counter it all could be
done if everyone paid 5 bucks a day and accomplish what it needs
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and you also buy records and go to shows and post on a friggin
313-list.
that puts you in a 1% population of those who attend Movement.
while the other 99% go because it's where other people go, it's
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Putting an entrance fee on it could result in a drop in attendance.
Only
the real fans of the music will go and many of the raver kids just
looking for some music to practice their breakdancing skills to would
shy
away from it (possibly).
Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:22 PM
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On Jan 26, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Carissa Tintinalli wrote:
I think the significant difference between this year and past years is
the current, um, chaos
One of the few alternatives seems to be lots of venues with different
events, some free entry most not.
That's called Mutek. :P
I think that Ian and Simon Kong bring up important points related to how
charging an entrance fee may have (unintended) social or cultural
impacts to the festival.
Personally, I would pay to get in each day, and it wouldn't affect me,
however the note below reminded me of one morning where I
what it needs to. Hell,
a beer down there is 5 bucks.
Peace,
Alex
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Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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313 313@hyperreal.org, Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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I'd pay $15 per day
Questions
1. Are we interested in the numbers only?
2. Would it not be better to put on a good festival that showcased
Detroit and International artists for 10,000 and break even, than 1
Million and lose everything, including the future of the Festival?
3. Are we on the list doing what we
Martin,
Honestly, the reasons for the sucess of the festival have already been
presented by Ian and others. They lie not in the numbers, or the money,
but in the ability to share the experience with someone you may have never
been able to share it with, in a manner that NO ONE saw coming. That
--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Questions
5. If we feel the numbers would be low in Detroit,
why not put it on in
Europe?
M
I think this is something that perhaps has not been
considered and maybee should Martin. Not as a
replacement for the free event in Detroit but if
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2. Would it not be better to put on a good festival that showcased
Detroit and International artists for 10,000 and break even, than 1
Million and lose everything, including the future of the
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--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Questions
5. If we feel the numbers would be low in Detroit, why not
put it on
in Europe?
M
I think this is something that perhaps has not been
considered and maybee should Martin. Not as a replacement
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--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Questions
5. If we feel the numbers would be low in Detroit, why not
put it on
in Europe?
M
I think this is something that perhaps has
for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or
gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:41 AM
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im
: (313) No Movement 2005?
Martin,
Honestly, the reasons for the sucess of the festival have already been
presented by Ian and others. They lie not in the numbers, or the money,
but in the ability to share the experience with someone you may have never
been able to share it with, in a manner
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Martin,
Honestly, the reasons for the sucess of the festival have already
been
presented by Ian and others. They lie not in the numbers, or the
money,
but in the ability to share the experience with someone you may have
never
been able
OK, I have a better idea: $2 voluntary donation, AND you
get an autographed picture of Derrick riding on the golf cart
with the megaphone.
:)
-- fred
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From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, I have a better idea: $2 voluntary donation, AND you
get an autographed picture of Derrick riding on the golf cart
with the megaphone.
now we're talking.
on a slightly more serious note, at
yeah... i think everyone on this list would buy one.
so, how many people is that...? 100?
i think the main thing you all are overlooking is that we are more a
minority down there than you could imagine.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
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From: Derek Plaslaiko. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
yeah... i think everyone on this list would buy one.
so, how many people is that...? 100?
i think the main thing you all are overlooking is that we are more a
minority down there than you
if there were acctually 25,000 TO SEE JEFF MILLS there then we may have
an actual solution.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
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From: Derek Plaslaiko. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
yeah... i think everyone on this list
look, if there were 25,000 people there to see jeff mills play
records the final night of 03 i cant imagine there arent that many
who would buy posters or stuff. id like to see the sales stats of
eh? i'm with derek. no fuggin way would very many people buy detroit techno
fetishist gear.
finding
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OK, I have a better idea: $2 voluntary donation, AND you
get an autographed picture of Derrick riding on the golf cart
with the megaphone.
:)
-- fred
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Martin Dust wrote:
Questions
1. Are we interested in the numbers only?
Only? No. But there is a critical mass neded for such a space.
2. Would it not be better to put on a good festival that showcased
Detroit and International artists for 10,000 and break even, than
Even if Movement had the money, city support, sponsors, logistics, etc. in
their hands, it looks like they'd be stuck booking only U.S.
artists..the following is downright scary:
(Stolen from a friend's journal, I'm assuming this is from Laurent's mailing
list)
LAURENT GARNIER
TOUR
is...
This may be an old mail as well, I think I've heard him say this before and
then 6 months later he was touring.
My 2cents
M
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From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:52 PM
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say this before and
then 6 months later he was touring.
My 2cents
M
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From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:52 PM
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Even if Movement had the money, city support
Do they have a special You didn't join in you merdi form then?
M
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Cc: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:04 PM
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a shady past he can't disclose...
cant imagine why you'd wanna play here for bush pesos anyways tho
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From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jan 27, 2005 4:02 PM
To: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
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What
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I think it's circumstancial to French residents visiting America.
After
all of the things that Laurent has gone through with Visa
problems, I can
see him taking the road of apathy to work permits...
i hope he
At 04:27 PM 1/27/2005, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
I think it's circumstancial to French residents visiting America.
After
all of the things that Laurent has gone through with Visa
problems, I can
see him taking the road of apathy to work permits...
i hope he can see me taking the road to apathy
PM
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I don't know about that, but the visiting artist visa is/was a different
from a popping over to get pissed up on the company credit card visa.
...steve...
Martin Dust wrote:
Do they have a special You didn't join in you merdi form then?
M
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