the shelter, at leat the exterior of it as seen in 8 miles, was converted
dentist office on the part of john R west of woodward near grandriver, a block
north from blake baxter;s old vinyl shop and just a few doors from jerome
mongo's even-earleir 90s club wax fruit and next to the gap, downtown
sy
nope, that's not the shelter.
even before the shelter was redone (mid 90's?), it wasn't as grungy as the
place in the film.
- Original Message -
From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: (313) 8 Mile
| -Original Message-
| From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 18 November 2002 19:33
|
| Anyway, nowadays we get more spam than real email, and Jon Drukman is
| still making great music, now with his live electro-pop version of
| Bass Kittens.
That's good to hear that he's s
It's quite possible that Jon Drukman was subbed to uk-dance a decade
ago -- I was, and a lot of us west coasters joined ne-raves and dc-raves
and so on for the same reason, there were a few hundred of us online
worldwide and it was exciting to hook up to a truly global and co-evolving
music and tec
Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 November 2002 15:39
> To: Fred Heutte
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
>
>
> > As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a
> > volunteer-run system and would wel
never to close your ears because of boundaries.)
> -Original Message-
> From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 November 2002 11:01
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
>
>
>
> > Fred I'm not here to t
As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a
volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook
up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say,
it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming.
If anyone has an idea as to how to do this with
> I was on both idm and UK-Dance, and am fairly sure that Warp used IDM
> posts...
I wasn't on either list at the time (I joined both in 1995 I think), so I
was going on the text here...
http://www.uk-dance.org/help/history.html
...which says:
"Warp's Artificial Intelligence album pretentious
> Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion.
> I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been
> buying Detroit
> techno since 1989.
And why do you think we are on this list?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
| -Original Message-
| From: Forrest L Norvell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 18 November 2002 10:35
| >
| > Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the
| > UK-Dance list, I believe...
|
| It's quite possible you're right, although I was on UK-Dance at about
| that
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:12:28AM +, tom churchill wrote:
> > Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation
> > Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated
> > postings from the idm list into their sleeve art.
>
> Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were act
> Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial
> Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list
> into their sleeve art.
Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the UK-Dance
list, I believe...
But I'm certainly not questio
> I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring
> to your apparently favorable comment -- "some interesting points" --
> but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was
> disagreeing with.
Nah, for me "some interesting points" usually means that I hadn't
I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring
to your apparently favorable comment -- "some interesting points" --
but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was
disagreeing with.
I'm a pretty strong defender of 313 because it has kept going for
years a
uot;see the
archives" reply. My mouse can only take so much scrolling before the wheel
melts. :)
Dscaper.
Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk
-Original Message-
From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 November 2002 06:55
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mil
My apologies, that was very careless of me.
I was responding to Mr. Corn Warning Kent Williams
on 11/17/02 10:27 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my
> arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked li
Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion.
I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit
techno since 1989.
in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list
archives would be very helpful.
on 11/17/02 10:26 PM, Fred H
Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my
arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked like 'Cyclone
wrote'...
People should take care when they cut and paste or whatever so things are
not ripped out of context or wrongly attributed to others.
> I'm goin
I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a
place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long
been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness
indicate.
I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of "elitism" got
spun into this meanderi
on 11/17/02 4:09 PM, Forrest L Norvell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list.
>
> I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED] in September of 1993, soon after its
> formation. The preceding summer, Warp had released the first round of
> (artificial intelligen
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 11:35:19AM -0600, techno wrote:
> >> I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED
> >> after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95%
> >> of the worldwide market for the music.
>
> point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing li
on 11/17/02 8:44 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of
>> over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version
>> of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading
> Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of
> over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version
> of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading
> the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions ref
CTED]>
To: "FC2 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
> - Original Message -
> From: "FC2 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: &quo
- Original Message -
From: "FC2 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Ian Dinsmor'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Creen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"313 Detroit" <313@hyperr
To: Sean Creen; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
Here's a curve ball for the list.
I was working the other night, and in walks Jay Dee, only to ask for
Herbert's "Bodily Functions" LP.
Behold, the paths of hip hop and "techno" cross in w
ahh, right on.
thx
- Original Message -
From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
Sometime member of The Ummah, sometime member (and producer
Sometime member of The Ummah, sometime member (and producer) of Slum
Village. From Detroit.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: "::\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
> Date: 13/11/2002 11:08:02
> To: "Ian Dinsmor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey they already sample that on the new album I'm told.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: Ian Dinsmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
> Date: 13/11/2002 8:53:07
> To: Sean Creen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cyclone Wehner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ok who the funk is jay dee
?
- Original Message -
From: "Ian Dinsmor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, Novemb
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:48:58 -
> To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313 Detroit"
> <313@hyperreal.org>
> Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
>
>
>> You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno,
>
> What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just
> that I've never found that to be the case at all!
>
> Sean.
>
on 11/12/02 2:23 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So what do you want them to do then? everybody has a website nowadays how
> can information be more easier to get???
Good question, Yes you can get a great deal of information from the Internet
and yes some labels like +8 do a grea
Almost 10 years of covering hip-hop, numerous run-ins and debates with
'headz', countless interviews - including with Busta Rhymes who said
something like 'don't call my s***t techno!'.
I have even asked them specifically, what do you think of styles like...
A lot of it is that they don't know any
... Especially when I've seen WuTang, EPMD, and Run DMC headlining at raves
all over.
-Original Message-
From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:49 AM
To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
>You forget that most hip-h
>You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno,
What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just
that I've never found that to be the case at all!
Sean.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
What I find hard to get is the musical elitism.
I think this comes across much more amplified than it really is,
especially on a mailing list dedicated (on whatever sliding scale you
think exists here) to Detroit techno.
-
duced some beats on 8 Mile. His style is
gothic gritty hip-hop. I guess there's a Detroit style emerging, I hear the
same kind of style of the Promatic album.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: logic7 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
> Date: 12/11/2002 2:18:50
&
Actually I think that was off too.
Hey, don't diss me now Em.
You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, it's like Detroit techno
types hate electroclash or punks hating disco. It's THE CODE.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: (313)
ur prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about
>>what is OK to like and what isn't.
>>
>>My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but
>>hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what?
>>
>>You don't find th
rejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about
>what is OK to like and what isn't.
>
>My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but
>hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what?
>
>You don't find this purism among the actual producers
is OK to like and what isn't.
My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but
hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what?
You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: techno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered
> but it's not
> > impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If
> it's handed to
> > you on a platter then what's the point?
>
> well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily
> accesable so it'
on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea.
>
> For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's
> not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world.
If information on old and obsolete tec
>>That's the way it has always been...
>that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea.
For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's
not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world.
++
on 11/11/02 10:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector
> types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited
> releases.
>
> That's the way it has always been in the world of DJs and danc
really feeling it are they?
Good
> riddance to them
> IMHO.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:32 PM
> To: Robert Taylor
> Cc: 313 Detroit
> Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
>
&g
: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
Well - maybe because they don't have as much influence on youngsters as
Eminem does. How many people might actually be just getting in to techno
but stop because he has spoken, or might have been open to it until now. I
don't recall Alice Cooper
Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>
cc: 313 Detroit
<313@hyperreal.org>
>
>
> Original message
> >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:38 -
> >From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cyclone Wehner
> <[EMAIL
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: <313@hyperreal.org>
gy.net> cc:
Couldn't have said it better myself.
-Original Message-
From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:56 AM
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
Amen to that.
Im also a little puzzled
aylor'
Cc: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
I wonder if Iggy Pop likes Techno...he's not your conventional rocker
either, though...
-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:51 PM
To: '[EMAIL
I wonder if Iggy Pop likes Techno...he's not your conventional rocker
either, though...
-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:51 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Cyclone Wehner
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313)
n, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:38 -
>From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" , Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org>
>
>I am a little puzzled about why 313er
ristensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
.org>cc: techno <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313
, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he
never got into it.
So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That
to m
>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he
never got into it.
So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That
to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste.
Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny
keting) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:58 AM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
>Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack
were really good.
Did he actually DO the production? I've always heard that DRE did all the
beats...?
mond <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@perkinswill.com
http://www.perkinswill.com/
-Original Message-
From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:58 AM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
>Have to give Eminem props for his product
7:17 AM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he
never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc, so he
knows what he's talking about. He says it's his personal taste - not that
he's &#x
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote:
> The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in
> the Detroit techno music business until I joined this
> list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape
> the world...
>
Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of
ove
In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector types
who are not very forthcoming about information on
rare and
limited releases.
I was suggesting something like a DVD archive for listing singles, promos,
remixes, un-released tracks, ect. from well known
to the lesser know D
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Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:49 AM
To: T.J.Johnson
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote:
> techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used
> to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was
> braodca
Dan Sicko wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2002 about following:
> Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please?
hey, IT'S NOT FAIR, i know you gotta have 313-ELITE -header set as
well as you have to be able to fart NO UFO's to get on _that_ list!
ok jus kiddin :)
in reality, elitism is
I also saw it on opening night here in Portland. Only one screen
downtown, one at the Lloyd Center, and about six in the suburbs,
so you can see where the marketing is oriented :)
It was about 80% full at 10 pm at the downtown show, and the crowd
was pretty quiet, typical for Portland. A *lot* o
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote:
> techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used
> to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was
> braodcasting live but that's about it
no. it DID used to be all over detroit radio. go back about 17 years.
peace
lks
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote:
> yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he
> even knows that he is not dissing techno...
given one piece of anecdotal information (mathers was spotted at "the
wizard's" return back in...march was it?) i think he knows.
peace
lks
Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please?
I believe the server forwards messages on a wireless network inside
Lafayette Coney Island.
-d
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 01:21 PM, marc christensen wrote:
dear "techno" --
It's nice to see you can couple a good, fres
The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in
the Detroit techno music business until I joined this
list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape
the world...
marc christensen wrote:
>
> dear "techno" --
>
> It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight
> to a troll.
>
dear "techno" --
It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll.
Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ
cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview
sources.
Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of
d
on 11/8/02 7:38 PM, Lee Herrington IV at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> does the elitist post to this list?
Yes and they do not always share information.
Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music
culture a social and political aspect to the
music.
At 10:30 AM 11/9/2002, sean deason wrote:
also: one notable scene in 8Mile is filmed in the alleyway behind the
Transmat offices in Eastern Market (locals some of you will recognize The
Atlas building from numerous loft parties down there).
Speaking of Transmat, any word on Time:Space 2?
And is
Well I can play the damn CD again and painfully transcribe it, but that was
the sum of what he said, that he wasn't feeling techno and he remembered it
all on Detroit radio. He's Eminem, he exaggerates!
:)
> From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:
also: one notable scene in 8Mile is filmed in the alleyway behind the
Transmat offices in Eastern Market (locals some of you will recognize The
Atlas building from numerous loft parties down there).
sean
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> From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
>
>
> techno has never been all over Detroit
right on. i guess that is what i was getting at in my
original post. when mr. mathers dissed moby, he wasn't
dissing techno music, but rather commercialized techno
music (eg trip hop, etc)... that's all...
On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, Mxyzptlk wrote:
>
> Well, it has been here and there (e.g., Deep
88.9 at midnight "brave new waves" and whatever liz copelands show is.
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From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: (313) 8
Well, it has been here and there (e.g., Deep Space, old sets by The Wizard
and at sundry places on the dial, usually in late-night slots), but it
certainly has NOT ever been all over the radio. That's a good chunk of the
reason behind the mystery of techno being an international phenomenon yet
rom Mills,
> but...
> Have to give Eminem props for his production, his
beats
> on that soundtrack
> were really good.
>
>
> > Inbox Message
> >
> > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
> > Date:
tever your
feelings about Marshall are, this movie has its moments of brilliance only
when he's on screen doing what he does best: rhyming. I dare anyone not the
cheer him on at the movies finale.
sean
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From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
are, this movie has its moments of brilliance only
when he's on screen doing what he does best: rhyming. I dare anyone not the
cheer him on at the movies finale.
sean
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From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313 Detroit" <313@hy
it.
It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, but...
Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack
were really good.
> Inbox Message
>
> From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
> Date: 09
does the elitist post to this list?
-Original Message-
From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:46 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house
yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he
even knows that he is not dissing techno...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> ha.. isn't it an eminem song that says something
about
> 'no one listens
> to techno anyway'?
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:20 PM, Patrick
> Wacher wrote:
I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house
chronology of the music year by year.
It may be more practical and cost effective to do something like this on a
digital medium like CD-ROM or DVD since you
would be covering a lot of ground with artist and record label
discograph
actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to
the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of
books about the very same-
to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question -
which books give the best history of Detroit music?
Whether it be en
where is "gratiot"
:P
-Joe
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Sicko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Patrick Wacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
>
> I would
I would encourage people to check out the *first* 8 Mile movie, a
documentary ...
http://www.glaserproductions.com/detdoc.htm
-d
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Patrick Wacher wrote:
> Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/
>
> It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see a
ha.. isn't it an eminem song that says something about 'no one listens
to techno anyway'?
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:20 PM, Patrick Wacher wrote:
Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/
It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see and do... If you
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