DIS: Re: BUS: Yoink (@ADoP)

2024-09-29 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Mischief wrote: On 9/29/2024 1:12 PM, Mischief via agora-business wrote: On 9/22/24 9:11 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote: Well I guess I better get to work, then! Indeed. I deputise as Prime Minister to appoint snail as Speaker All the timestamps on this message are past 29

DIS: Two protos

2024-09-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
[I had these sitting around from an old RtRW but never got around to fleshing them out.] Proto-Proposal: Track quorum (AI = 3) Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) to read: Each Agoran decision has a quorum, a number set when the decision is created and fixed thereafter. When a person initiates

Re: DIS: Proto: Crystal Improvements

2024-09-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: This doesn't seem to actually address the issue of perverse incentives? It creates *different* incentives (by creating but not transferring) but doesn't change the fact that people are incentivized to vote against proposals they didn't author in order to prevent them from gaining ec

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Stonemason Pro Tem's Report

2024-09-08 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Mischief wrote: On 9/1/24 11:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: CoE: The ownership of the Recursion Stone is disputed, and depends on the outcome of CFJ 4093. (I know you know this, but as far as I can tell snail would self-ratify as the owner if I didn't CoE, because the report doesn't m

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Administrative Regulations

2024-08-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Kate wrote: When a judgement is issued that has major implications for the interpretation of a rule, and it is highly unlikely that the rule will be changed to alter the interpretation or the case reopened in the near future, the Arbitor SHALL in an officially timely

Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 4087 and 4088 assigned to Murphy (Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 9122-9124)

2024-08-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Kate wrote: On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 13:58 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: I CFJ: { Rule 1023 contains the text "Any anniversary." } This is CFJ 4087. I CFJ: { Rule 1023 contains a list with exactly 5 list items. } This is CFJ 4088. I assign CFJs 4087 and 4088 to Murphy. Origin

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly report

2024-08-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: 4st nomic via agora-discussion [2024-08-14 10:13]: Do we technically need to state "All unlisted persons are Unregistered", since they are tracked also? I think so. They are tracked only in the monthly report. So the weeklies could ratify, given some ambiguity, to keeping previous

DIS: Proto: No double harvest redux

2024-08-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: No double harvest redux (AI = 3) Amend Rule 2124 (Performing Tabled Actions) by replacing this text: An intent is ripe if was tabled within the past 14 days, the Speaker hasn't objected to it in the past 48 hours, and its conditions, if any, are each clearly and

DIS: Re: BUS: Keepalive

2024-08-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Aris wrote: Hi! I hope everyone is doing well. TTYL! Turkey's a bit dry. -- [ANSC H:GE V:G B:0]

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE] also maybe an election?

2024-07-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 7/28/24 20:04, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Janet wrote: On 7/24/24 19:14, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to become vacant. I support and do so. Ineffective, snail already did

DIS: Re: BUS: [MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE] also maybe an election?

2024-07-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 7/24/24 19:14, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to become vacant. I support and do so. Ineffective, snail already did. -- [ANSC H:GE V:G B:0]

Re: [CFJ] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP, @Tailor) Bad Prime Minister! BAD!

2024-07-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2024-07-28 at 16:25 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Gratuitous:    * Jaff has been Speaker since April.    * On or about June 4, ais523 won (Paradox, Zen, High Score).    * On or about June 22, Janet won (Zen).    * On or about June 27, snail won

Re: [CFJ] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP, @Tailor) Bad Prime Minister! BAD!

2024-07-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2024-07-24 at 11:25 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: I believe I am Prime Minister. I appoint Mischief (the sole Laureled player) to the office of Speaker. I appoint Mischief (the sole Laureled player) to the office of Speaker. I appoint Mischief (the sole Laureled player) t

Re: DIS: Re: ALT: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9144-9147

2024-07-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2024-07-21 at 18:59 -0500, secretsnail wrote: ID: 9145 Title: Pragmatic quarters Adoption Index: 2.0 Author: Murphy Co-authors: Mischief Amend Rule 2555 (Blots) by replacing this text:    At the beginning of each quarter, half (rounded down) of each    fugitiv

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor, @Tailor)

2024-07-14 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2024-07-07 at 14:09 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: snail wrote: Do the awards, bozos Wins in 2023, based on comparing the Herald's reports of 2023-01-02 vs 2024-01-27 (the latter of which mentions that there were no new patent titles since Nov 2023):

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9125-9133

2024-06-30 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
I vote as follows (and have updated the spreadsheet): 9125~ 4st 1.0 (n/a) AGAINST 9126~ Mischief2.0 More Stone Cleanup endorse Stonemason 9127~ Mischief2.0 There Aren't Many Stone Idioms in English FOR 9128~ Janet

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2024-06-30 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Juniper wrote: Query: This report lists my lateness as !!! - but Simplifior was only enacted in the past 24 hrs, right? Am I misinterpreting something in this report? Yeah, the 'offices' table in the database doesn't track how recently an office was created (it's available in the event history

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 9122-9124

2024-06-23 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 6/22/24 22:45, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: // ID: 9123 Title: Anniversaries Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Mischief Co-authors: Amend rule 1023 (Agoran Time) by appending: 5. Any anniversary, mo

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9120-9121

2024-06-02 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
I vote as follows (and have updated the spreadsheet): 9120~ juniper 1.0 Labour Payment AGAINST 9121~ juniper, mqyhlkahu 1.1 More Rules, Less Complex PRESENT

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2024-05-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
I wrote: =Metareport= You can find an up-to-date version of this report at http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php Date of last report: 2024-05-19 Date of this report: 2024-05-21 Whoops, actually 2024-05-25. (The report-generating script uses the date of the most recent event re

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Blotter (and a history lesson @Mischief)

2024-05-24 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2024-05-19 at 15:09 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: ais523 wrote: particular, if a contract would be given a Rest (the equivalent of a Blot), every member of the contract would be given a Rest instead. the Insulator (equivalent of today's Re

DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] The Blotter (and a history lesson @Mischief)

2024-05-19 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: particular, if a contract would be given a Rest (the equivalent of a Blot), every member of the contract would be given a Rest instead. the Insulator (equivalent of today's Referee) was required to report the Fugitive status. For those wondering how "Rest" and "Insulator" fit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals (attn Promotor)

2024-05-19 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
wunst wrote: Am 13.05.24 um 01:00 schrieb ais523 via agora-discussion: On Sun, 2024-05-12 at 15:32 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Proposal: No apathetic apathy Amend Rule 2465 (Victory by Apathy) by appending this text:     A player SHALL NOT announce intent to Declare Ap

Re: DIS: [proto] Another ratification rewrite

2024-04-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: When a document is to be ratified, the publication time is the instant at which the document to be ratified was published. The truth time of the document is the instant at which the document specifies that it was true, if any, or the publication time otherwise. Ratification of a doc

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Revised Resolution of Proposals 9068-9069

2024-03-24 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: I previously wrote: PROPOSALS = PROPOSAL 9068 (Agora of Empires) AUTHOR: Yachay Wayllukuq CLASS: ORDINARY FOR (2): Murphy%, Yachay Wayllukuq% AGAINST (2): Aris%, Janet+ PRESENT (2): juan$, snail^ BALLOTS: 6 AI (F/A): 10/14 (AI=1.0) POPULARITY: 0.000 OUTCOME: REJECTED CoE

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Geologist] Weekly Report

2024-03-24 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: CoE: I destroyed the crystals in L&FD NttPF. (If you already TTttPF'd then ignore this, I'm just catching up on a-d first as usual.)

Re: DIS: Photo: officially official

2024-03-24 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Gaelan wrote: I proto-submit the following proposal: { Title: Officially Official (and Backuply Backup) Authors: Gaelan AI: 1 Create a power-1 rule titled “Forum Purposes”, with the following text: { Purpose is a public forum switch, with values Business (default), Offi

DIS: Re: BUS: Rulekeeping is hard, turns out

2024-03-17 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: ... Okay, so it turns out I can't read and "denial" isn't by announcement (I could have sworn it was at some point, but I can't find that). So the above probably did not discharge my duty. Rule 2201 (Self-Ratification), in part (according to the latest SLR, modulo all existential

Re: DIS: Re: Assignment of CFJ 4069 to 4st [Re: BUS: Overly Effective Identity Theft Protection, Or, Is There A Rule 105]

2024-03-17 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 3/14/24 15:08, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 3:53 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 3/11/24 17:41, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: CFJ: There exists a rule 105. I number this CFJ 4069. I assign CFJ 406

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
te: On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: If so, and if Kate indeed gained five Ribbons on 2023-08-31, and no one else gained as many, then: * Only Kate's vote counted on any proposal resolved after 230. * Only Kate's support counted on any

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: I assign CFJ 4059 to Murphy. https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg45651.html ("As a result of the 2023 Agoran't Birthday Tournament, Murphy won the game.") Draft judgement: Without performing an exhaustive analysis of the Agoran't archives, I'm assuming th

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Aris wrote: Erm... that CFJ doesn't do what you want it to. CFJs are supposed to be statements, not questions, and interpreting something out of context is different from interpreting it in context. At one point we did legislate that, for CFJs asking yes/no questions, a judgement of TRUE/FALSE

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: 𐑕𐑑𐑦𐑤 𐑦𐑯𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 (𐑯𐑴𐑚𐑩𐑛𐑰 𐑒𐑨𐑯 𐑕𐑑𐑪𐑐 𐑥𐑰)

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 3/4/24 13:19, Goren Barak via agora-business wrote: 𐑣𐑧𐑤𐑴 𐑩𐑜𐑹𐑩, 𐑲 𐑛𐑧𐑒𐑤𐑺 𐑝𐑦𐑒𐑑𐑹𐑰 𐑚𐑲 𐑨𐑐𐑩𐑔𐑰 𐑓 ·𐑚𐑧𐑯 𐑯 ·𐑜𐑹𐑧𐑯 𐑑 𐑳𐑚𐑡𐑧𐑒𐑑, 𐑮𐑲𐑑 "𐑲 𐑳𐑚𐑡𐑧𐑒𐑑 𐑑 𐑝𐑦𐑒𐑑𐑹𐑰 𐑚𐑲 𐑨𐑐𐑩𐑔𐑰" 𐑜𐑫𐑛𐑚𐑲 𐑩𐑜𐑹𐑩 Transliterated from the Shavian alphabet to standard English: { Hello Agora, I declare victory by apathy for Ben and

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9068-9069

2024-03-03 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 3/3/24 16:24, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: 9068~ Yachay 1.0 Agora of Empires FOR (without 2 objections is a reasonable guard against trivial wins, other issues can be ironed out later) That's not the only method to amend. There's also a "by announc

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal - Agora of Empires

2024-03-03 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Yachay wrote: An Imperial can, by announcement, win the game without 2 objections if the Empireworld shows that ey have accomplished at least 3 extraordinary feats in the fictional world that the Empireworld describes since ey last won the game in this way. This rule does not describe what quali

Re: DIS: ranting about potential ruleset issue

2024-02-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: Right, but I'm not happy to accept the gamestate we're currently playing in. Right, I agree with the platonists that the gamestate is wrong and that ratification is wrong, just... definitely not in the same sense of wrong. Wrong as in it feels wrong, whether or not anything is actu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Potential ruleset issue

2024-02-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 2/15/24 19:07, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: So, we've discovered on Discord a potential issue that could have wide-ranging effects. Consider the four-day rule as stated in the (purported) Rule 105/23: { A rule change is wholly prevented from taking effect unless it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) No Taxation Without Representation

2024-02-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: So, I don't think basing quorum on Activity is a good idea at all, and there's no obvious change (to me) that would avoid these problems. Whereas quorum is currently based on a specific type of activity (voting on other recent decisions), which seems a lot more appropriate.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Birthday Announcement

2024-01-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: The 27th of October of 2023 is Murphy's 16th Agoran Birthday! Actually that was my third registration; I confirm that the following registrations were also me: (v) Murphy (< 1996-01-23--2

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Election stuff

2024-01-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: I also initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Prime Minister election. * The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me). * The valid options are the candidates (Janet, nix, and any others who become candidates by end of voting). * The voting method is insta

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9046-9048

2023-12-17 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: 9048*   nix, 4st, snail 3.0   It's been 4+ years, Agora. 4+ YEARS. AGAINST. Proposal result ratification appears to be broken in the ruleset being ratified (and thus probably the current ruleset) – this is one of the things I check for when it comes to doing ruleset ratifi

DIS: Re: OFF: [Geologist] shiny stuff

2023-12-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: Here are the crystals and their owners (geologist required monthly report) Weekly, actually. (R2162 section 3, and R2685 doesn't specify otherwise)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald) Maze protocol

2023-12-03 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Ben wrote: I agree that 1 would need to be clarified, building off what nix said, since you could declare yourself inactive and active again to flip a switch. I think that was intended to count; the idea wasn't "find the one super-obscure thing that counts", it was "find literally anything th

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9035-9039

2023-12-03 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Gaelan wrote: 9038~ Murphy 1.0 Ratify the Ruleset Week PRESENT - not sure how I feel about this. I worry an explicit SHALL to propose ruleset ratification at a given time runs the risk of rushing us into ratification without proper due diligence first? It seems like, at min

Re: DIS: [proto] Unforceability

2023-11-26 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: To address some of the holes that befell Agoran't: { Add (somewhere? enact a new rule? at power 2 or 3?): { A Rule that purports to designate an action as "unforceable" thereby designates that a player NEED NOT comply with any provision of any Rule that requires or forbids em fr

DIS: Re: BUS: Player/person analysis update

2023-11-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: I couldn't find these three players (so far, maybe I can't find more): Douglas Hofstadter, General Chaos, Troublemaker At Large and Ørjan is listed differently. General Chaos, Kelly (1996), and Kelly (1997-1999) are a single person. Ørjan / Oerjan (1995, 1996, 1996-2000) are a sing

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly report: Arrivals and Departures

2023-11-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: Operating solely off the registrar's report, then, there could probably be some notations to players that are c/o or otherwise proxies: so the registrar could have some corrections on their report that have gone unnoticed for quite some time, and I have taken those to be fact due to t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9011-9019

2023-10-29 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: CoE: the proposal pool lacks my proposals submitted October 9th. NttPF

Re: DIS: [Proto] Some are more equal v2

2023-07-02 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-06-26 13:08]: "Why should this be in the rules?" is a valid question. Putting something in the rules means that everybody has to pay attention to it, lest it change out from under them to actually do something, and that people (like me) have rul

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections

2023-06-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
snail wrote: I vote as follows in the prime minister election: [snail] This vote was ineffective, as voting was not yet open.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: (@herald) did I win?

2023-06-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: I deputise as Prime Minister to appoint G to the office of Speaker. I believe this actually was effective even if not overdue, as Prime Minister was vacant. (If for some reason it was ineffective, then please let me know; that would also mean that snail remains Speaker.)

Re: DIS: [Proto] Some are more equal v2

2023-06-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: Edward Murphy via agora-discussion [2023-06-18 13:38]: But, based on this proto alone, the Equality switch doesn't do anything either (e.g. grant radiance). And there's a strong implication that Policies /should/ do something more, but no context for what that somethin

Re: DIS: More Drafts

2023-06-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: Left and Right are player switches that can have a value of any player, defaulting to emself. Once each week, each player CAN, by announcement, either set eir Left to any player, or set eir Right to any player. Left and Right are tracked by the Lorax. A player CAN reach a player on

Re: DIS: [Proto] Some are more equal v2

2023-06-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 5:41 AM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: I would really love some feedback. -- EQUALITY (Power 1.0) For the purposes of this rule, a Player Property is de

DIS: Re: (@Collector, Herald) BUS: The Never-Ending Dance

2023-05-28 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/17/23 16:45, ais523 via agora-business wrote: My radiance is 100 or more (specifically 100). The announcement in the previous sentence causes me to win the game. If I can do so (based on the current moot, which is leaning towards yes), I award ais623 the title of Champion. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder th

Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/19/23 11:50, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: I'd much rather take the route of trying to get the Radiance/Stamps system functional again, than of trying to repeal it. (Stamps in particular are one of the most powerful "new player perks" we've seen, and I suspect that that's a

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald, @Stonemason) Watch this!!!!

2023-05-14 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
snail wrote: I wield the radiance stone. (Woah! So cool!) (Wait! Oh my gosh! it's) I reach for the Recursion stone. (with a steel chair) As $DEITY is my witness, that rule is broken in half!

DIS: Proto: More Factors

2023-05-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: More Factors (AI = 3) Amend Rule 217 (Interpreting the Rules) by replacing this text: When interpreting and applying the rules, the text of the rules takes precedence. Where the text is silent, inconsistent, or unclear, it is to be augmented by game custom, comm

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Election updates

2023-05-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 4/23/23 18:45, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Assessor election.   * The Vote Collector is the ADoP.   * The valid options are the candidates (currently 4st, Janet).   * The voting method is instant runoff.   *

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old “experience” - t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification without Objection intent - Continuity of the game since 1993

2023-04-23 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: But it's also worth noting that the very original Agora doesn't seem to have played as platonically as we currently do; ie, an accepted mistake would be treated as the reality of the game often-times, without need for some ratification process. There's another thesis, Vanyel's *Pra

Re: DIS: Free ideas

2023-04-16 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
4st wrote: Not sure if this is intended, but for festivity, we can't set it to the maximum ever, so any player who is 1 away from laudable is going to be festive. (given the standard definition of "exclusive" and "greater than or equal" in that rule.) This is adequately covered by R2480:

Re: DIS: 2023 Tech Survey

2023-04-16 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: Honestly just kinda curious what people use, but I figured it might also just be helpful to have more clarity. I'll compile the results in a week. { 2023 Agora Nomic Technology and Accessibility Poll -- For each question please first

Re: DIS: Looking for coauthors

2023-03-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-03-09 15:12]: On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 5:05 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: On thing your recent Fingerprints proposal got me wanting to try is pre-planned moves with cards - that is, you have to commit to "these are my next three card play

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00075 - Rule Selection

2023-03-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00075 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2327 ("Read the Ruleset Week"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send sugge

Re: DIS: Revamping public secrets

2023-03-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: Here's the new version: { A Fingerprint for a document (the Plaintext) is a document that could not have been reasonably created without knowledge of the Plaintext, and which is related to the Plaintext in such a way that one could not reasonably produce another document related to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Distributor/Proposal) Player-Defined Nonsense

2023-02-17 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: (Also, nkep feels like it fits into this sort of framework somehow, but I'm not sure how.) For those unfamiliar, "nkep" was basically the "I floop" concept combined with private-agreement shenanigans. A search of the CFJ archive turns up the following, there were probably some ot

DIS: Proto: Schrodinger's Dice

2023-02-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: Schrodinger's Dice (co-author = ais523) Amend Rule 2505 (Random Choices) by replacing this text: The selecting person SHOULD make the selection method public, and SHOULD use a method for which the final probability distribution can be readily confirm

Re: DIS: Proto: Limited tracking

2023-02-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 2/5/23 19:18, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Proto-Proposal: Limited tracking (AI = 3) Amend Rule 2162 (Switches) by replacing "other instances are at their default value" with "other tracked instances are at their default value". Amend Rule 26

DIS: Proto: Limited tracking

2023-02-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: Limited tracking (AI = 3) Amend Rule 2162 (Switches) by replacing "other instances are at their default value" with "other tracked instances are at their default value". Amend Rule 2606 (Proposal Classes) by replacing this text: Proposals created since the enactment of thi

DIS: Proto: Yes, Prime Minister

2023-02-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: Yes, Prime Minister (AI = 3) Amend Rule 2139 (The Registrar) by replacing "The Registrar is an office;" with "The Registrar (syn. Minister of Domestic Affairs) is an office;". Amend Rule 1607 (Distribution) by replacing "The Promotor is an office;" with "The Promotor (syn. Minist

DIS: RtRW brain dump

2023-02-04 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora): What would count as "duly harassment"? Rule 2679 (Restrictions on Participation): Either change the definition of "unwelcome" to "if and only if", or change the securing of "designations of unwelcomeness" to "other designations". Also, maybe be more exp

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00071 - Rule Selection

2023-01-29 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00071 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2575 ("The Distributor"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions

Re: DIS: [agoranomic.org] How To Play Page

2023-01-29 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: I added a new page to the website, intended to give people an idea of what to do after they join. Any feedback appreciated: https://agoranomic.org/play.html Vote on Proposals: May want to explain PRESENT as "you just count toward the minimum number of voters", and endorse as "you vo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-29 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 1/22/2023 1:55 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 1/22/23 12:42, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Janet wrote: [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I atte

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2023-01-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
I wrote: =Metareport= You can find an up-to-date version of this report at http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php Date of last report: 2023-01-15 Date of this report: 2023-01-20 Unofficial CoE, accepted: "Date of this report" should have been 2023-01-22. (The script that gener

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00070 - Rule Selection

2023-01-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00070 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2630 ("The Administrative State"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send su

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I attempt to Is this actually true? I thought that had something to do with auctions, which were repealed about a month ago, and any rule or regulation

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00069 - Rule Selection

2023-01-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00069 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2641 ("Wielding Stones"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00068 - Rule Selection

2023-01-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00068 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2556 ("Penalties"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if yo

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Slightly less self-interested proposal

2023-01-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: [Currently, I'm effectively locked out of owning any actually useful stone without setting a Dream, which isn't really fair. If I attempt to Is this actually true? I thought that had something to do with auctions, which were repealed about a month ago, and any rule or regulation a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00067 - Rule Selection

2023-01-01 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00067 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2201 ("Self-Ratification"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestio

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00066 - Rule Selection

2022-12-25 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00066 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2478 ("Justice"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if you

DIS: Re: OFF: [Horsened] The Horses Finish! (1st Race)

2022-12-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
snail wrote: The Horsened's Final Standings Report! Winning calculations and state immediately before the race began anew. Here's a quick and dirty Javascript animation of the full race: http://zenith.homelinux.net/horse_race1.html Displaying additional events is left as an exercise for som

Re: DIS: Unofficial executive summary of Proposal 8872

2022-12-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
I wrote: Coins were converted to score bonuses, roughly 25 per boatload, I thought that sounded unusually high. Looks like I somehow botched my arithmetic, and it was instead roughly 1 point per 25 boatloads.

DIS: Unofficial executive summary of Proposal 8872

2022-12-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Coin and stamp balances were reverted to mid-November values. Coins were converted to score bonuses, roughly 25 per boatload, then repealed, along with coin awards: * Monthly base income * Adopted proposals / ratio of votes in favor * Judging CFJ on time (replaced with +2 score) * Publish

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00064 - Rule Selection

2022-12-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00064 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 1607 ("Distribution"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00063 - Rule Selection

2022-12-04 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00063 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2415 ("Badges"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if you h

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00062 - Rule Selection

2022-11-27 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: EXPERIMENT 00062 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2677 ("Etiquette"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if yo

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00061 - Rule Selection

2022-11-20 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Jason wrote: EXPERIMENT 00061 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2585 ("Birthday Gifts"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00060 - Rule Selection

2022-11-13 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Jason wrote: EXPERIMENT 00060 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00059 - Rule Selection

2022-11-06 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Jason wrote: EXPERIMENT 00059 RULE SELECTION As selected on Discord #botspam, the rule for this week is Rule 2632 ("Complexity"). I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the process used in this selection had the correct distribution. Please send suggestions if y

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4000 Assigned to Murphy

2022-10-23 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
G. wrote: [A nice historical question for the occasion!] The below CFJ is CFJ FOUR THOUSAND (4000). I assign it to Murphy. status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#4000 === CFJ 4000 === It is round 2,098. ===

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to initiate Registrar election

2022-09-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ziproot wrote: FALSE: One section of "Performing Tabled Actions" says "A rule purporting to allow a person to perform a tabled action allows em to do so by announcement, if, considering only intents for that action/method combination." Purporting is not defined anywhere, so a common sense defin

DIS: An Agoran Rebuttal

2022-09-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Regarding the recent troubles, and in particular Anti-Cleisthenes's Cantus Cygneus: In one sense, nothing new has happened. Rules whose effects clearly include "Players can be deregistered via proposal" have been on the books for a long time. The reasons could be anything from "repeal corporate p

DIS: Proto: Lucid dreaming

2022-09-11 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: Lucid dreaming (AI = 2, co-author = ziproot) [Converts " Dreamer" to a switch, adds whitespace to the list of Mindsets and their effects, and generally cleans up wording. Includes changes based on ziproot's recent proto.] Change the title of Rule 2675 (Dream of Wandering) to "

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Dreamor] Dream Journal (August 2022)

2022-09-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: On 9/1/2022 6:40 AM, juan via agora-business wrote: secretsnail9 via agora-official [2022-08-31 18:57]: DREAMOR'S MONTHLY REPORT All active players have a mindset of Dream of Wandering. All active players are Sleeping Dreamers. -- secretsnail CoE: My mindset is Dream of Victory.

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Extermination

2022-09-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Jason wrote: On 8/31/22 20:13, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I submit the following proposal Title: Extermination Author: Jason Coauthors: Adoption index: 1.0 { Each of the following rules is repealed, in ascending numerical order by ID: * Rule 2660 (Birds) * Rule 2661 (Permits)

Re: DIS: A proto

2022-09-05 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
juan wrote: Jason Cobb via agora-discussion [2022-08-29 13:23]: We now have a player who is directly responsible for three FAGEs. I believe that it's time we discuss a mechanism similar to the one below. Title: Unfortunately Author: Jason Coauthors: Adoption index: 3.0 { Amend Rule 869 by a

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