Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/24/2020 8:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Bump. Here's an updated text; all I did was remove the once-per-month > restriction. G., what do you think about submitting this before nch's > and R. Lee's possible victory? I'm happy to pend it (assuming > DracoLotto worked as inten

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: general objection

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/24/2020 7:51 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> >> I object to any and all intents to declare apathy. > > But does this adequately identify the intents being objected to? > > (I think there might have been a CFJ a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 9:41 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The Registrar wouldn't need to write any regulations, e would just need > to pick a method that the Treasuror has defined in the auction regulations. > I think the auctioneer is free to point to any method that follows the guideline

Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:00, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/24/2020 8:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Bump. Here's an updated text; all I did was remove the once-pe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 11:16 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-25 10:41, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/25/20 12:39 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: This also mean

Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 11:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 17:03, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:00, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3858 assigned to ATMunn

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
oh, crud. I copy and pasted and forgot to change "grok" to "ATMunn". There's actually a couple precedents that the assignment in the message worked, not the subject line. So I guess these are "linked" with grok as judge (unless e recuses emself from one). Sorry about that! On 6/25/2020 3:24

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulatory Instruments draft

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 4:40 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Auction regulations are regulations defined by this rule, all of which > comprise a single body of law, and for which the Treasuror is the > promulgator. The scope of auction regulations is wholly restricted to > defining specific auc

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulatory Instruments draft

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 4:54 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/25/20 7:48 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/25/2020 4:40 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Auction regulations are regulations defined by this rule, all of which >>> co

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3851 judged TRUE

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:49 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/19/20 8:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3851. I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3851 >> >> ==

DIS: Re: [Indictment] Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > G., you will need to initiate the decisions, but you can't yet, so hold > on until the Fixes pass. > Yah knowing this was coming up is one reason I grabbed the green ribbon when I did :)

DIS: Re: [Indictment] Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > > G., you will need to initiate the decisions, but you can't yet, so hold > on until the Fixes pass. > Can someone point me to the CFJ that says "authorized to" conditions are triggered by a CAN, but not a SHALL?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3851 judged TRUE

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 6:14 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/26/20 9:11 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:08, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 6/26/2020 8:49 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >&g

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulatory Instruments draft

2020-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 11:11 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:29 PM nch wrote: >> On 6/25/20 6:40 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: >>> Title: Regulatory Instruments v2 >>> Author: Jason >>> Coauthors: Aris >>> Adoption index: 3.0 >> >> Reading this it seems mechanically sound. However I kind of ag

Re: Nomic 217 Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3851 judged TRUE

2020-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/27/2020 2:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/27/20 12:10 AM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:12 PM James Cook wrote: >>> I've thought it would be interesting to play a Nomic that starts with >>> just one simple rule with text like "This is a Nom

DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] Tapecutter intent [Patent Title Award]

2020-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/27/2020 2:37 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 6/23/20 12:01 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to award G. the Patent Title of >> Tapecutter for Proposal 8407, "no stinking auction definitions". >> > > Seeing 3 support and no objections

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Resolving Ambiguous Decisions

2020-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/27/2020 6:06 PM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > I point a finger at jason for uncertain certification. Reasonable players > may not disagree about the operation of the current wording. Which means it's an ambiguity which is covered by CP? -G.

Re: DIS: Archiving Metareports

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 7:22 AM, Ed Strange via agora-official wrote: > Success! Resending to OFF, for those who prefer it. Yay! On 6/28/2020 7:16 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > https://leeonlaw.blogspot.com/2020/06/adop-metareport.html Bookmarked and thanks. That black on dark brown is s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalized card auctions

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 12:14 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/28/20 3:11 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: >> [Pending fees are fine and all, but only three new Legislative Cards >> per month seems a bit low. This would at least raise that to four.] > > > Officers can actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalized card auctions

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 12:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/28/2020 12:14 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:>> On 6/28/20 3:11 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:>>> [Pending fees are fine and all, but only three new Legislative Cards>>> per month seems a bit low. This would at least raise th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Easy Summary Judgement Repeal (also includes treasuror action)

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 8:35 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 8:29 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 6/28/20 11:06 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: >>> So, as it currently stands, the Referee can impose 6 bl

Re: DIS: [Proto] Welcoming Back Outlaws

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 6:23 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > Why don't we just have "A player cannot receive a welcome package if eir > most recent deregistration was as a Fugitive". It means you aren't forever > barred, but you have to wait the 30 days like everyone else. Yeah, I think the is

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 2:09 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > the pool also contains my most recent proposal, the one about repealing > summary judgement Aris, You just asked why we should change the rule to actually state that proposal pool report is accurate to the beginning of the week inst

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 6:55 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/29/2020 2:09 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote:>> the pool also contains my most recent proposal, the one about repealing>> summary judgement> > Aris,> > You just asked why we should change the rule to actually state that> proposal pool repor

Re: DIS: [Proto] Welcoming Back Outlaws

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 8:05 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:50 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> Yeah, I think the issue is that letting a person deregistered for crimes >> back in the game sooner than a voluntary deregistrant is silly. Crime >> deregistration should be a

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
not so. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:05 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 6/29/2020 6:55 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/29/2020 2:09 AM, Ed Strange >> via agora-discussion wrote:>> the pool also

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3857 assigned to R. Lee

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 9:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Oh nice, quick turnaround! > > I assign CFJ 3857 to R. Lee. > Note: to be clear to everyone I just followed straight-up favoring policy here no bribes were solicited from my end or accepted :). -G.

Re: DIS: [Notary] Informal Contract Awards

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 10:13 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/29/20 12:11 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> For the Participation Award, given to the people who are members to the >> most contracts: > I would restrict this to people who are members of contracts with at > least two member

DIS: Re: [Treasuror] Re: BUS: [ATTENTION PIRATES: IMPORTANT]: Recordkeeping Parley

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/29/2020 10:57 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > If I no longer possess any doubloons, I consent to the above Parley. > well *that* defeats the purpose somewhat...

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Tardiness

2020-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
[I wrote the below, but am purposefully sending it to Discussion for commentary rather than pointing atm] On 6/29/2020 11:08 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > I find Aris guily of Tardiness as Promotor and levy the Cold Hand of > Justice, imposing a forgivable fine of 1 blot, speci

DIS: Re: [attn: Treasuror] card and exchange

2020-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
erk I think I need to say for the second part "this will probably fail (unless there's a retroactive currency reset)" Wasn't trying to mislead anyone... On 6/30/2020 4:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I earn a Legislative card for P8446. > > I pay a set of 4 Legislative Cards to earn 10 Pendants

Re: DIS: On Theses

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 8:21 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > - How long do theses tend to be on average? I remember trying to read > through G.'s thesis e published recently and realizing just how long it > is. Is that an average length, or do they tend to be shorter? That one is Master or PhD

DIS: art degrees

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
tl;dr What do people think about a separate method for arts degrees that's more akin to applause and somehow brings in Bard? (just in general). longer: I didn't think about this when voting last month, but the new art degrees are kind of how we used to award Bard. A person produces Good Art,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] With apologies to G.

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 9:08 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/1/20 11:05 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> FWIW I will probably vote AGAINST both of these as I have a black ribbon >> already, and the way this is worded, I'm not sure I could even get black >> glitter from it. Correc

Re: DIS: Hidden Action Fixes

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 9:17 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > > they've been comprehensively fixed by now. The Agoran equivalent of "what could possibly go wrong"

Re: DIS: Hidden Action Fixes

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 11:51 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:59 AM omd wrote: >> I haven’t looked at the wording in detail yet, but “by notice” is >> confusingly similar to “with notice” (i.e. dependent actions). >> > Other suggestions? It doesn't seem confusing to

Re: DIS: art degrees

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 4:59 PM, James Cook wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 16:17, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> tl;dr What do people think about a separate method for arts degrees that's >> more akin to applause and somehow brings in Bard? (just in general). >&

Re: [Attn. Referee] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8458 (Third time's the charm)

2020-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 8:24 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:00 PM Jason Cobb wrote: >>> CoE: This resolution is invalid because the decision was already resolved >>> the previous time, because G.’s vote was invalid, because it did not >>> “clearly set[] forth the voter’s inten

Re: DIS: art degrees

2020-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/2/2020 8:18 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/2/20 10:14 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> One strange thing here is that Bard is mixed in with a long list of >> other titles in R2581, but (from this point of view) is arguably more >> similar to degrees than those other

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement of CFJ 3860

2020-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/2/2020 10:40 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > I have put together my judgement for CFJ 3860 [assuming that is the > number it will be assigned by the CotC]. I am mainly publishing this as > a draft and not an official judgement because I want to wait for > confirmation that it is act

Re: DIS: R2472 Question: Incompatibility between Assessor and Associate Director of Personnel

2020-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/2/2020 11:21 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I was looking at Rule 2472, and I'm confused by the incompatibility of > the Assessor and the Associate Director of Personnel. At no place in the > ruleset can I find a conflict of interest between the two offices. Did > one previousl

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement of CFJ 3860

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 8:14 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > Maybe I'm misreading it, but I dug up the judgements for both of these > CFJs and it seems to me that neither attempt actually worked. > > On 7/2/2020 1:55 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> 3667 found

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3854 Judged DISMISS by Murphy

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 10:41 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > What's the Annabel Crisis? - A person registered under the name Annabel, did not much for a month or so, then deregistered. - ~6 months later, a long-time player (Maud) confessed that e had been Annabel. - It was decided that Anna

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3854 Judged DISMISS by Murphy

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 10:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 7/3/2020 10:41 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: >> What's the Annabel Crisis? > > - A person registered under the name Annabel, did not much for a month or > so, then deregistered. > > - ~6 months later, a long-time player (Maud) confesse

Re: [Attn. Referee] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8458 (Third time's the charm)

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/1/2020 8:24 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a > locked > filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying > ‘Beware of the Leopard.” [Just entering the case now]. Funnily enough, in

Re: Fwd: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: is this too morbid?

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 12:24 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > Maybe worth also mentioning: back in February I tried to patch over > this problem with Proposal 8328, The Eternal Sprit [sic... didn't > notice the typo until now] > > Proposal text was 'Amend Rule 869 by replacing the text "is a per

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Draft Judgement of CFJ 3860

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 1:22 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > I have looked at all the CFJs involved and your gratuitous arguments and > am ready to deliver my judgement. Am I good to do so? no reason why not from here

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3860 judged FALSE

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 1:45 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > Even if it turns out > my arguments are terrible and it gets reconsidered, I'm glad I put the > effort into it. At a first read, this looks comprehensive and well-done. Thanks for putting in the substantial effort when you could have just

DIS: Re: [Treasuror] Reward Re: BUS: CFJ 3860 judged FALSE

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Signalling question: I've been interpreting [Treasusor] subject lines as things that are strictly *from* the treasuror (as opposed to [attn. Treasuror]). Is that the best way to distinguish - in particular are officers searching for [Officer] but not [attn. Officer]? -G.

Re: DIS: Re: [Treasuror] Reward Re: BUS: CFJ 3860 judged FALSE

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 2:18 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/3/20 5:15 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> Signalling question: I've been interpreting [Treasusor] subject lines as >> things that are strictly *from* the treasuror (as opposed to [attn

Re: Fwd: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: is this too morbid?

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 1:33 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-03 7:56 p.m., Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/3/2020 12:24 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Maybe worth also mentioning: back in February I tried to patch over >>>

DIS: [@nobody this subject line was too long] referee CFJs

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 2:55 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticuswrote: > On 7/3/20 5:39 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> On 7/2/20 6:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: CFJ, submitted to Referee: The above-quoted attempt to pay cards on nch’s behalf was unsuc

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations v1.1

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 3:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 3:09 PM Jason Cobb wrote: >> On 7/3/20 6:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official >> wrote: >>> I resolve the below intent, enacting and promulgating the below >> regulations. >> >> >> I enter t

Re: DIS: wait what now?

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 2:45 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > I was scrolling through the CFJ archives and found this: > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3722 > > And this message's subject line was basically my reaction. > > Apparently I "was indisputably Prime Minister" at one

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Upvotes

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 4:32 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: Upvotes (AI=1) > { > > Multiply all positive Karma values by 3 (to compensate existing Karma holders > for expected inflation). Replace all negative Karma values with 0 (because > Karma will become a currency). > > Amend Rule 2510

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Upvotes

2020-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 5:48 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > at 5:19 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >>> An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. given) by announcement >>> by its owner to another entity, subject to modification by its >>> backing document. A fixed a

DIS: on negative karma (Re: BUS: Proposal: Upvotes)

2020-07-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2020 4:32 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > - The ability to take away others' karma is removed. I didn't want to do > this, >since I think the 'balanced karma' system is a quite interesting mechanic. >But for karma transfers to feel cheap, I think you have to be able to > pe

DIS: Agora the karma bank

2020-07-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: Agora the karma bank Amend Rule 2510 (Such is Karma) by deleting: 4. Not result in Agora's karma moving farther away from 0. and by replacing its last paragraph with: At the beginning of each quarter,

DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Fix

2020-07-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/4/2020 12:40 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: > Unless > explicitly permitted by the Diplonomic 2020 rules, all Contestants > SHALL NOT make use of loopholes in the underlying game of > Diplomacy in order to gain a competitive advantage. I'm a little puzzled/conc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Fix

2020-07-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/4/2020 1:00 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:56 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >> On 7/4/2020 12:40 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >>> Unless >>> explicitly permitted by the Diplonomic 2020 rules, all Contestants >>> SHALL NOT make use of loopholes in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Fix

2020-07-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/4/2020 2:09 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/4/20 3:52 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> On 7/4/2020 12:40 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >>> Unless >>> explicitly permitted by the Diplonomic 2020 rules, al

DIS: Re: [cfj] Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 9:32 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > On 2020-07-05 4:25 p.m., Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >>> I object to the above announcement of intent.  This may do nothing. >>> >>> >>> I CFJ:  Regardless of other supporters/objectors, Agora will not be >>> satisfied with the ab

DIS: Re: @Arbitor another unassigned CFJ? (Re: BUS: certifying)

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 10:17 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >> ... what? It doesn't matter if it's "antithetical". The rule clearly >> says "sole function". This is an ulterior function and therefore >> violates the rule.  This interpretation means 'patches' dont't have to >> be primarily patches w

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3864 Assigned to G.

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 12:40 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > Now, the above arguments make it seem like there's absolutely no such > thing as a "bug" wherever text was voted on by the legislature. In that > respect, it is quite reasonable to apply the "bug" designation to clearly > malfunctionin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3864 Assigned to G.

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 4:44 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > at 12:40 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > >> So it does NOT meet the test in Rule 2626(1) on legislative intent (nor do >> any of the other tests apply). It would be presumptuous, in this case, for >> any judge or referee to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3864 Assigned to G.

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 5:22 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > at 4:51 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > >>> In short, you’re saying that a rule does not “operate in a way that is >>> clearly contrary to legislative intent or common sense” if it only does so >&

DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 491

2020-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/6/2020 8:44 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: > |G. |1066| 1| 1| 0| 1| 0| 0| 10| 0| Sorry to be the first to spoil your shiny new report - I paid to pend a proposal yesterday: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal, not pended] Warmer Welcomes

2020-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/6/2020 11:00 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/6/20 12:54 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: >> [This came from a discussion on Discord in which nch mentioned that the >> current 10 coin welcome packages really don't help that much. 25 may >> still be on the low side, but I think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020

2020-07-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 35.00

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020

2020-07-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/7/2020 9:23 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020

2020-07-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/7/2020 9:28 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 10:23, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> On

Re: DIS: [Protos] Some ideas I've been kicking around

2020-07-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/7/2020 12:28 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > ADoP: 2 > Arbitor: 1 If we got this route I might see about formalizing the CotC? The strict Arbitor's duties (which can just be assignment on the fly and few records kept) is probably a 1, but keeping it organized/archived is where

Re: DIS: [Protos] Some ideas I've been kicking around

2020-07-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/7/2020 1:09 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 13:59, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/7/2020 3:54 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> >>> On 7/7/2020 12:28 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >>>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]

2020-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/8/2020 7:33 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/8/2020 2:26 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >> As fun as this is, contracts cannot perform actions automatically. I >> guess you could amend it so that you CAN do so, but at that point, >> there's no real reason for th

DIS: [Diplonomic] anonymous proposals and resolution time

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Diplonomic Proto: anonymous, turn-based proposals [I will submit some version of this before the next turn; technical comments very welcome] Replace Rule 8 with the following: During the negotiation or order-submission periods, any Contestant CAN submit a proposal to change these rules private

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 1:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > I vote as follows: > >> ID Author(s)AITitle >> --- >> 8473p Jason, G.1.0 Plain Old Bribery > FOR. Consider this a p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 2:10 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 13:32 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> That presumes that I think bribery proposals are legitimate. I don't, >> but if the rules explicitly make it so there's no legitimate way to >> do something one is clearly intende

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 5:53 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > I'm not sure I entirely understood that conditionals were even a thing. > Could you give some sort of example of a conditional? > It's only for builds and retreats. In normal diplomacy, there's a brief "retreats and builds" phase af

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 6:10 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 7/12/2020 5:53 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> I'm not sure I entirely understood that conditionals were even a thing. >> Could you give some sort of example of a conditional? >> > > It's only for builds and retreats. In normal diplomac

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 7:40 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> For the most part, this has turned into "when there's enough player >> turnover that a majority don't have black ribbons, pass an AI-1 proposal". >> So most defense for such proposals has been token at best (e.g. in the >> current r

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 9:02 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:09 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> Scam, dunno details, nch is listed as conspirator, it involved Rule 2492? >> 2017-06-28 Qua

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 10:13 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 21:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Here are the votes withdrawals, 2 seconds before the voting period >> ended: > > Did I really cut it that close? My usual a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer something something INFINITY ENGINE [Attn. Notary, Treasuror]

2020-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/14/2020 3:03 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/14/2020 5:58 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 23:54 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business >> wrote: >>> Seeing how many active players were against this and this needs a >>> high amount of people to wor

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2020-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/16/2020 2:41 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-16 at 14:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-official > wrote: >> Agoran Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report) >> Thu 16 Jul 2020 UTC > > COE: This omits the case I called about Diplonomic proposals being > misinterpreted as

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3862 Assigned to R. Lee

2020-07-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/18/2020 11:30 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I motion to reconsider, I don't believe it to be overly hypothetical when > it refers to how Agora itself works. It's a question about Agora's > fundamental way of working. First, I found this tidbit in CFJ 1895: > R2160(d) allows us

DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution and Enactment of Proposals

2020-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
PSS wrote: > All proposals submitted before this sentence took effect, that have not > yet been resolved in some manner, CAN and SHALL be resolved as described > above, before the next turn (after this sentence takes effect) begins; > after doing so, the Judge CAN remove this sentence by announce

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution and Enactment of Proposals

2020-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/19/2020 10:35 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > There was only one remaining proposal, which I resolved in the same email: > totally missed that (and somehow thought there were more), thanks! -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] With apologies to G.

2020-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/19/2020 4:50 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I Raise a Banner. > Congratulations At just over a year that's a really fast Renaissance! Dunno if it's fastest ever, but it's up there.

DIS: Re: BUS: [attn. Tailor] Ribbon claims

2020-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/19/2020 5:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 7/19/2020 4:49 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:>> For the avoidance of doubt, I award myself a Black Ribbon if I do not>> already have one. [This should do nothing.] I award myself a white ribbon, as I have never owned one before.>>> > I th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attn. Translator - Sorry, sorry.

2020-07-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/21/2020 1:04 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-discussion wrote: > I see that it is still possible to tell the difference between a > difference > from a difference in language, but I'm not sure how > that works. If this email address is a bot (and not the human behind the bot), the address s

Re: DIS: Re: Subject: BUS: [Proposal] Minion Plan

2020-07-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/21/2020 1:21 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 13:13 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:11 PM ais523 wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 16:03 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business >>> wrote: On 7/21/20 3:56 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via ago

DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 8:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 7/24/2020 2:40 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: >> So there's precedent that you can basically take a shortcut to do many >> actions (a loop of them) as long as it is reasonable that you could perform >> those actions by writing them out. >> >> The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 5:08 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn via agora-discussion wrote: > > -Tiger > Didn't process your signature at first then did a double-take. Hi!! -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 1:38 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 08:44 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/24/2020 8:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 7/24/2020 2:40 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: >>>> So there's prec

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3819 Just to add that in the Caller's Arguments for this case, Gaelan provides a decent summary of several relevant cases (though not the 'large but finite' one I don't think).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 2:09 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/24/20 5:07 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/24/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3819 >> Just to add that in the Caller's Ar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 2:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/24/2020 2:09 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/24/20 5:07 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 7/24/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic

DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] BT2 Removal of R. Lee

2020-07-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/25/2020 6:33 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > As France has been eliminated, it is with great sadness that I cause R. > Lee to cease to be a Contestant in the 2020 Birthday Tournament, > pursuant to Regulation BT2. > H. Judge Publius, I'd like to ask for a clarification here t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] BT2 Removal of R. Lee

2020-07-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/25/2020 9:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/25/20 11:54 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/25/2020 6:33 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> As France has been eliminated, it is with great sadness that I cause R. >&g

DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question

2020-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
H. Publius, Another diplonomic rules question! The original Diplomacy Rules say: > A unit may not retreat to the province from where the dislodging unit > came or to an "embattled" province, meaning one left vacant by a > bounce/standoff that turn. (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Rules

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