Let's drop the election as the source of all discussion. Just because
a majority opted to stay with the the devil they know doesn't mean
they can't complain or even that they were satisfied with the
incumbents in the first place. It's the road not taken now.
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Let's drop the election as the source of all discussion.
What and miss all these rich opportunities to point out that a village
is more than freedom to do whatever you wish when ever you wish, that
four years of capital gains during the hottest market ever and the
benign neglect of all that
Dan said:
Thus, I say, don't bring the complaints to us. You will soon
tire of getting blank stares and being marginalized...
Skip said:
Waste not your script here...
Do you two want this board to be just people who agree with one
another? Do you wish these writings to be just you folks
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Skip I'm curious. Would your anti-Fishman sing-song be any different
today if your event production deals with Fishman and Raver had not
been abruptly cancelled in 2003?
Joe, why do always try to find an ulterior motive
I assume this is about my positing. Yes I do support and raised a question about the lighting on the boardwalk. Maybe these lights are temporary? That they would be used here this year and when the buildings along the boardwalk are replaced and the threat of them being damaged by kids are
Would your anti-Fishman sing-song be any different today if your
event production deals with Fishman and Raver had not been abruptly
cancelled in 2003?
Good question; poor understanding of what Raver believed he could get
Fishman to support. Raver's a smoke and mirrors guy, he believed that
Sorry it exceeds 4 lines/it is a repeat
lights selected are a disappointment.
the city website
designs
for the waterfront area but those lights are nice
When I congratulated Fish Bag on managing to get exact reproductions
of the Parkway's lights, Jim Bruno informed me that those are the
ps And they're not temporary! They are here for all time.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry it exceeds 4 lines/it is a repeat
lights selected are a disappointment.
the city website
designs
for the waterfront area but those lights are nice
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In addition, I do not believe that you should make such a comment.
This is a board to post questions and to discuss. Maybe I should ask
that you limit your posts to just 4 lines rather than the endless posts
to
Thank goodness Larry hasn't painted anything that mental patient
bedroom green color like the Palace was. I love the Wonder Bar but
damn Fasano for recreating that eyesore on the beach.
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Thank goodness Larry hasn't painted anything that mental patient
bedroom green color like the Palace was. I love the Wonder Bar but
damn Fasano for recreating that eyesore on the beach.
BB, I'm not so much of a
At 5:03 PM + 5/16/05, dfsavgny wrote:
...Skip, in all fairness, you have to stop giving Fishman heat for the
choice of paint colors. I thought I read somewhere recently that it was
the TRC that suggested the colors and they realize the the yellow was
not the best choice. If left to his own
Sorry Dan, but I get deja vu all over again when any president,
supreme being or Master Developer fails to recognize that the buck
stops with them. The historical board may have dreamt this abortive
color, but it took The Fish to paint with it. As to his own devices,
there are still plenty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice to know we're judging $1B development on issues as critical as
exterior paint color.
What else has Fishman done but paint things? I am sure if he did
something else we would be fair and criticize that too. There
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I say Larry owns the puke yellow.
As JoeyDee's post implies, so little has been done that we are left
to bicker over paint. Of course, you and I and others realize that
this is the tragedy itself; that paint, whether
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i dont think their temporary either,but who knows.
being the new council or at least one of those
members will speak up about certain topics regarding
the plan. missed deadlines, and any other thing that
wasnt done by the books. how about let them slide
on some things, if they fix the lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Did you miss the new boardwalk and condominiums being built at the
beach?
No. The boardwalk was paid for by the city with credits against the
cost from the purchase of our waterfront buildings. I look at the
boardwalk
This isn't your best day on this list. First I catch you and Skip
in no uncertain tems telling people who disagree with you not to
post here, and despite that being in writing, you then deny that's
what you meant, when in fact its exactly what you wrote.
As of for the Boardwalk - it was
Title: RE: [AsburyPark] Re: For Skip Now Complain; drop the election - I quite like Larry
BB82 - You're on target till you get to the developer part. Hovnanian may not be driving nails but that isn't what a developer does. Fishman is not a developer but a purchaser of tax liens and one
As in Long Branch - where developers built asap the green light was
issued.
Ugly, but built.
Triggered the rest of the town into action and of course drove up
values. Maybe Rooney's will figure out now how to make good food.
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Considering that anyone who develops this property has to go through
TRC, Planning Board, Council, CAFRA and get bounced around between
them, I disagree that anyone could have gotten this done any faster.
I do still disagee with you about Fishman being a developer. A guy
like Rich DePetro
HoJo's
some other agreement was reached whereby he could stay m-m
until Fishman kicks him out.
George had the `deal' with the city for roughly 40 years. 2 possibly 2
½ years ago The Fishman bought George's liquor license and business
for $250,000. George still runs the business on a mm basis,
George is a trooper. He belongs there. Someone should fix the building -
like the current owner.
The 40 year deal is questionable - other then there were some
unwritten rules about bidding. Like don't. When the legal notices were
placed in the paper were also a game - so they say. The status
Mental Ward Green? Does that come in semi-gloss?
Ben Schneider
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Title: RE: [AsburyPark] Re: For Skip Now Complain; drop the election - I quite like Larry
You are confusing what a Developer's lawyer does with what a Developer does. A developer makes a set of complicated business decisions about development. Those decisions include scheduling.
- when you walk in a bank - they don't look at your doodles...
they ask you who are and what you've done - and what were the results.
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I guess we have argued our way to the point where we are simply
going to disagree.
Loved fighting it out with you though. You seem like a smart fellow.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tyler, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are confusing what a Developer's lawyer does with what a
Do you really think the council said, WTF, just use the cheapest wood
possible!???
Here's Asburypark.net's reporting of this issue in February '01.
(before Fishman, when the ONLY thing happening was the holes in the
boardwalk):
http://asburypark.net/news/2001/02/index.html
One funny quote:
Thanks for the research JJ.
Remember too that 2 years after that controversy, the council passed
a resolution that they would never again buy the wood that the
enviromental groups didn't first certify. That certified pine is
softer than the ipe and more expensive.
Yes, the tree-huggers are
Thought I'd replied to this earlier.
Of all the silly bitching I've heard this one takes the cake. Mental
Ward Green? Take a look at the Casino's patinaed copper, that which
Fish Bag hasn't sledge hammered into oblivion, can you see any
similarity? I understand that Dan of our beloved city
wasnt asbury partners listed as the master developer?
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It's piece work; if Larry thought he'd get away with it, the boardwalk
would now be 4 x 8 sheets of particle board. The bigger the
dimensional lumber used, the cheaper the labor component in the
finished product/contract price.
You didn't think The Fish was worried about aesthetics for one
they really don't care, and are just in it for the money
Wow; and you heard it here! The difficulty for those of you who hope
Fishman will do the right thing, is understanding that, here we have a
guy who, figuratively, just got off the boat.
He's never built anything, never developed
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That's fantastic JJ! This group will empty out soon, along with
Maureen's show.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Allthere's a new Yahoo Group: The Asbury Park Bitch Moan
Group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apbandmoan/
Per the
Thanks for the new group John! I think it's very appropriate. I'm getting
bored to death on here and end up deleting most of the messages as it's
sounds like a bunch of old ladies arguing. I also created a new yahoo group
for those who just want to talk about history:
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