[AsburyPark] Real Estate Bubble

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
How much more will it go? Will it pop - and where will you be? REady to jump in - or jumping over? Is an Ofront condo in Long Branch worth $2.2m? West End house $5.5m? Could you live 2 rows back in L Branch for 900k? Why not then AP? How cautious are the banks? Are banks adjusting the

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
i wasnt talking about the hojo building. __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

RE: [AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
So don't think they'll be brought back to their original state ever. To do that after painting would be fairly expensive. Obviously multiple coats of paint will eventually have its problems as well. Anyway they aren't the same buildings because there are any number of things missing

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
When you say that the BW will be done after the first residential units arte in place, is this something that can be found in a legal doc somewhere? i dont recall saying the boardwalk will be done. i think i noted that the boardwalk progess will pick up speed once the 3 fast track projects are

[AsburyPark] Re: Real Estate Bubble

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
Thanks skip, as always, for thoughts... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

[AsburyPark] Constructive Criticism

2005-06-01 Thread JWKeady
Greetings All, I have done my best to keep up with the posts in the past two weeks and I believe that there are two distinct outlooks regarding the progress on our oceanfront. The first outlook is that we should be happy that anything is happening up there given the more than 20 years of

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
oh oh - that sounded politically correct. I was looking for that next slide: NEXT STEPS Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of

[AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread Tony Tedesco
i did not mean the BW will be 'completed', but rather worked on. you said: but as ive said for the past 4 years, nothing will be done to the boardwalk or its buildings untill residential units are up and running. is it that hard to understand? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie

[AsburyPark] Re: something positive? Charlie’s sticking with “that”! Absolutely

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
are you being a smart ass or something Absolutely, it's in my blood. But don't take it personally; on second thought do. I've known people to be 100%, even though totally impossible 110%, supportive of a position, view, person, etc.; vis-à-vis The Fishman you appear perhaps several 100's%

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread eboz_the_dog
i forgot to once again ask on my original reply, is this 'timeline' you are touting based on some sort of 'published' document, or is this just your opinion? --- charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say that the BW will be done after the first residential units arte in place, is

[AsburyPark] ASBURY PARTNERS HAS DONE AN AWFUL JOB........WE

2005-06-01 Thread mognj
are more than a year behind and by the time these fast tracks are done we will begin to hit a condo burst bubble. It's the condos that are the problem...not the individual homes in my estimation. This redevelopement is gonna take decades because no one is gonna want to chance coming in and

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism

2005-06-01 Thread JWKeady
In a message dated 6/1/2005 1:07:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh oh - that sounded politically correct. No need to worry Oak, I will not lose my edge, just trying to start a more constructive dialouge. What I have learned in the past weeks in both my

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
ok - I'm offended you left me off the list of potential candidates to run your example web site company): I guess those years at ATT etc in the Web Center of Excellence (one of many names at ATT) was wasted. It wasn't Gore who discovered the 'net... it was me. I was so hooked on Asbury - I

[AsburyPark] Long Branch used to have great....sleazy go-go bars also.....

2005-06-01 Thread mognj
I'm certain Tommy D. remembers the BLUE DOLPHIN and LONG BRANCH SALOON (aka. the bottom of the barrel)...What disgusting jointsoh, and how I loved them! DAN JACOBSON is a self loathing closeted queenI know a number of people who have known the jerk for years and they all say the same

[AsburyPark] Long Branch - for Werner...

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
Speaking of Long Branch - while the old Pier was popular and packed, the original park with the statue of (geez, now I forgot) became a big parking lot and they would take around $10 /car. The park and statue are long gone - now the parking deck of the Hilton. Sooner or later, there will be a

Re: [AsburyPark] KEADY AND JOHNSON TO THE RESCUE......DIDN'T I TELL

2005-06-01 Thread GG518
Why don't you sign your posting. Garrett Giberson Jr not to be cofunsed with Sr. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject

[AsburyPark] To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my assessment, there are a couple of key shortcomings: 1. People dont' have a historical framework that they are basing their comments on. 2. People don't have all the information necessary to make informed decisions and

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
Oprah? Rush? Please. How about college drop outs like Bill Gates? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - its just my opinion! i dont think anything major will happen on the boardwalk, untill those 3 main sites are finished and occupied. __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: something positive?

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
So all these years, those real estate experts that continually counseled `location, location, location' were just pulling our collective leg? no, i didnt say that, did i? people who buy condos, are not the same type of people who usally buy houses. that is all i was trying to get at. people

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism scratched the surface of mediocrity

2005-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the boardwalk can not be level from noth to south, beasue the casino sits lower then the convention hall. at some ponit, the boardwalk becomes unlevel, to counter act this landscape. (although i do agree, that it

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism scratched the surface of mediocrity

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
…the casino sits lower then the convention hall. at some ponit, the boardwalk becomes unlevel, to counter act this landscape. but the old boardwalk was done the same way, so maybe there is a real reason for it? who knows! Charlie, I don't know what Larry's paying you but it's not enough. You

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism scratched the surface of mediocrity

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
skip - the term who knows, was hypothetical and sarcastic!! you look way too far into everything said. and lary isnt building condos. paramount homes, metro homes, ect are. and i dont think either of the three companys do half assed work! __

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism ships meeting in the night

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
…slope north away from the casino (which it does) and it would slop south away from convention hall? therefore somewhere in the middle, both slopes would meet. casuing a dip in the boardwalk. that is what is expected to happen… Tell you what, I'm headed to council shortly, I'll ask Larry if

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism ships meeting in the night

2005-06-01 Thread oakdorf
the old boardwalk at that end had a problem - it had a big bump. Guess they never worked that out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your

RE: [AsburyPark] To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread Tyler, Mark
Title: RE: [AsburyPark] To: Keady From: Asbury People BIB - Madison and Jefferson were able to do their part in forming the Constitution because they were extremely well educated. They were immersed in Greek and Roman studies and relied heavily on that classical tradition as well as other

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tyler, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim's post makes clear that he would go to Oprah for her expertise if he had a question on television or the pulse of America or any other thing she does day in and day out. Mark, his post also makes clear he won't go to

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are wrong Jim. People in Asbury have all of the above. Your eliltism once again boils over. Have some faith in the people of Asbury Park. You're twisting words again Tommy. Jim never said that the experts would

[AsburyPark] Re: Deju vu (all over again)

2005-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually gained some significant insight into where Kate Melinna stood/stands on the relationship with Asbury Partners via her recent column in the Coaster. From her writing, I gathered that she sees the relationship as

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism ships historic appearance

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
This past Winter there was a huge sinkhole on the beach. I believe it happened during a storm and the construction. It was directly East of the area in question. David, that's possible were it not a gradual and fairly straight deflection followed immediately by a gradual and fairly straight

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread bluebishop82
Dan, A constant accusation that I am twisiting words is the cry of someone who doesn't want to revisit his own past words. I'm certain you and Jim can think of a better response than that. The truth is I didn't twist words when I cut and pasted what you said, and the same for when I cut and

[AsburyPark] Councilman Elect Keady's Remarks

2005-06-01 Thread jerseykev
I think Jim did an outstanding job on breaking it down. Just like if you need someone to officiate at a wedding you would call me and not the other Kevin Brown. In the same vain - if you wanted someone to pitch a baseball game you wouldn't call me, you would call the other Kevin Brown.

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A constant accusation that I am twisiting words is the cry of someone who doesn't want to revisit his own past words. I'm certain you and Jim can think of a better response than that. The truth is I didn't twist

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People compromise and good will

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
Look, Jim's post said People have 3 shortcomings. It was clear he was identifying Asbury Park people. You certainly didn't make clear he was talking about anyone else. Maybe Jim should clear it up. Please name names, Councilman. Who are the folks you were referring to? Dan De Seno Dan, isn't

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury oops sorry Tom

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
Look, Jim's post said People have 3 shortcomings. It was clear he was identifying Asbury Park people. You certainly didn't make clear he was talking about anyone else. Maybe Jim should clear it up. Please name names, Councilman. Who are the folks you were referring to? Tom De Seno Dan, isn't

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism ships historic appearance

2005-06-01 Thread charlie leonard
Larry probably remains unaware of this error, he was busy checking paint chips and the contractor is now long gone. All that remains is for Charlie to explain how this was done deliberately to preserve historic appearance. what exaclty is your problem there!? i have no idea who you are. dont

[AsburyPark] Re: Constructive Criticism ships historic appearance

2005-06-01 Thread Skip Bernstein
IT HAS TO GO DOWN Charlie, so I don't upset you unnecessarily, walk down to the Casino and look toward CH, bend down if it helps, now ask yourself why in hell does the boardwalk dip down roughly 300' north and then rise back a further 300' to an imaginary straight line north between the Casino

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread muffolettom
And I don't think his posrt implied that the people of Asbury are any different. Very few Cities of 17,000 people have the available expertise to put together such a huge development. I don't think Belmar or any of the neighboring towns would fare any better unless they searched and imported

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread bluebishop82
I would trade a 1,000 Tillies for a restored Casino... Perhaps you missed my column entitled: Let's Tear Down The Casino. This is another area where Mr. Fishman and I have a sharp disagreement. He actually plans on saving the horrid mess despite my counsel to him to tear it down. The Casino

[AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People

2005-06-01 Thread bluebishop82
Did you attend any events at the Casino in the 1960's? As for aesthetic appreciation, that is certainly in the eye of the beholder. Now go down to the BW and behold the Casino. Really Skip, this place is beautiful to you? No wonder Fishman fired you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,