Just wondering how many folks here have been using that 'new' Asbury Park forum
Nextdoor and what you think of it.
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I posted this in the new Nextdoor group and thought it would be of interest
here.
I've been following the comments about dumpster/garbage storage location and
see an increase in improper location of trash containers. Trash containers are
not permitted in front yards. A front yard is
Perhaps you misunderstood your membership here. This group is a public forum
with no restriction on readability.
Anyone can read the discussions here No membership needed not even a
yahoo id is needed... Its been that way since the begining.
Anyone can read
I took a drive along the beachfront a few minutes ago and am very concerned
about public safety with so many people visiting.
It is very hazardous down there. Traffic control officers at Asbury Ave and
Kingsley St are standing in traffic with no reflective vests making them
virtually
I have what must be millions of mosquitos around my property and have never
seen such an outbreak in over 30 years that I have been here.
Has anyone heard of a mosquito problem or have an unusual number at their place
?
Werner
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Splitting hairs with exceptions... ?
A Multiple Dwelling covered by State regulation is 3 or more units in one
structure.
Def:
(k) The term multiple dwelling shall mean any building or structure of one
or more stories and any land
appurtenant thereto, and any portion thereof, in which three
...to all the folks who spent their time and efforts for a council seat.
It will be interesting to see what the 'final' totals are from the County
Clerk.. Winning positions may change
I'm surprised there is so little discussion about this election on this and
other forums
Werner
Oak, State registration and inspection is required for buildings with 3 or more
units. Not ...over 4 units... as you wrote.
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
...
ADDITIONALLY:
- STATE INSPECTIONS required for over 4 units
...
The taxpayers and residents of this City are tasting debt that has increased
from $6M, when the current political party took over, to $60M. I think most
rational people would find that 'pudding' hard to swallow
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
I like
Very kind of you - Whoever you are
Fight.. Where ? I see no fight here...
Simply opinions vs facts.
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dougthedope12345 dougthedope12345@...
wrote:
tremendous assets to the city of Asbury Park. I greatly enjoy your postings.
I have
The simple reality is, parking is not a permitted use on the land in question.
A special temporary permit was issued that has expired - and a short extension
was granted. The City is not 'taking over' private lots.
In fact those parking lots are there only due to the special permission granted
What is the assessed value of ConHall...
Land ?
Building ?
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
Looked at Count Basie and Two River - they pay ZERO ($0.00) in taxes.
So if MM moves the whole thing to a non-profit
or can they pay less in taxes - with
.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
What is the assessed value of ConHall...
Land ?
Building ?
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
Looked at Count Basie and Two River - they pay ZERO ($0.00) in taxes.
So if MM
Glen is not Doug...
Glen is not Edith...
Doug is not Edith...
Doug is in Denville NJ
Edith is in Toms River NJ
Glen is in Carmel NY
Glen's Duck (D4) Died... R.I.P
Hope that clears things up
Werner
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Better Hurry up and make a presentation to City Council... or beter yet to the
School Board (its their property)
The Tennis Courts at the Middle School are not used for tennis ... But... A
presentation was made tonight by an organized Skateboard group to use the
courts for skateboarding...
Typical for Asbury Park... making stuff up
Some sources for all this news would be helpful
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
1. Mm to replace GM
2. Parking fees to rise by .50 per hour
3. Liquor 1% city liquor tax in AP
4. Metro homes to return and
I replied to a post from TDA732 on the Star Ledger site about the Sprinkler
fiasco - I repeat it here
TDA732
It astounds me that, no matter what, people can turn a positive into a
negative. Asbury Park has completely revived itself. As a woman in her
mid-twenties I frequent AP often with
Here's a link to the online version
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/03/impasse_convention_hall_asbury.html
Interesting comments
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Good to see the group come back to life...
Several posters have noticed that perhaps MM has not managed the ConHall in the
best way. I agree, and will add it is becoming evident the business model of MM
and the needs of Asbury Park are not a good match.
A look at MM as a company and the
Ironic - shortly after my prior post regarding the defacing of our classic
buildings I see a report about the Asbury Lanes...
Note the before and after photos... what a shame.
http://asburyparksun.com/new-color-new-coat-of-paint-at-asbury-lanes/
Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City
has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic
structures.
The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass
and adversely effects the character of the community.
What is broken about it ?
Tax abatement is a legally permitted process to encourage development.
It reduces the property tax bill and if crafted properly increases or at least
is equal to the City receiving what it would have without an abatement.
I was very outspoken when abatements were being
Thanks,
If that is the case, why are the students doing so poorly if they are so
involved in sports ? Why are they allowed to play ?
To your comment about 'Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools'...
If sports is so positive why are they that why.
Your assertions do not make sense.
I find it interesting that the article plays up that the business owners were
asked for input on the locations of the racks.
I am predicting that the placement will in fact not take into account the
public. I predict that they will be placed such that they cause obstruction of
the sidewalk for
Is participation in athletics contingent upon maintaining a set standard of
academic performance ?
I would think that is the case - sports should be a reward for good grades.
However I cant help but wonder how the sports performance can be so good and
the academic performance so bad... perhaps
Regarding the School Athletic Field...
http://www.app.com/comments/article/20120903/NJNEWS/309030010/Asbury-Park-High-School-unveil-new-football-field
And to think they wanted a BLUE field... The use of blue color is already
overwealming...
Is this report misleading ?
http://asburyparksun.com/dog-park-a-bone-of-contention-for-historical-society/
Was the membership polled ? I have heard nothing of a question being posed to
the members on the dog park issue.
I suspect that the comments and contention referred to in the report are
'. What forum, if any, is being used to discuss Asbury Park
related news and concerns ?
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote:
Several months ago there was a controversy regarding the installation of
equipment by NJ Natural Gas along the sidewalks downtown
Several months ago there was a controversy regarding the installation of
equipment by NJ Natural Gas along the sidewalks downtown.
Apparantly Red Bank had the same issue but challanged it in court...
http://www.redbankgreen.com/2012/06/red-bank-scores-first-in-gas-meter-suit.html
So... What
A friend of mine used Lowy's to move to Maryland as part of the Ft Monmouth
relocation and was very happy with the service given - Note that they are
agents for Wheaton Van Lines.
...While Wheaton agents are individually owned and operated businesses, each
one has met the service and quality
There was very little foot traffic and few vehicles on 5th Ave east of Grand. I
walked down to the Wonderbar around 6pm and things were busy, fun and orderly.
Very young crowd in general.
The flow of people North along the boardwalk was constant and I headed South
toward the Casino. There were
Apparently a meeting at the Paramount Theater last night...
Not a single comment yet - did anyone on the board attend?
if so please give a report.
Werner
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I just read an article regarding the development to be constructed at Asbury
Ave and Kingsley St called Vive.
It was written that final site plan approval was given on March 12.
I saw no announcements of Planning Board or TRC Committee hearings on this
project.
Does anyone here recall being
Some facts about Wesley Grove that folks may find interesting.
The design of the complex does not conform to the design intent of the
Redevelopment Plan.
Recall that there was a diagonal street across that block originally -
The plan recommended that it be retained as a public / pedestrian
I attended the planning board presentations on the project and Phase 2 is to be
a duplicate of Phase 1 except for a retail component along Grand Ave, with
different architecture.
Hopefully the Phase 2 design will be revisited.
My point was that the Redevelopment Plan was largely ignored.
A
That is good news...
The same issue exists for Kingsley Street - The plan currently makes retail
optional. Considering that the seasonal weather has such a large effect on
Ocean Ave it would be prudent to mandate retail/ entertainment uses along
Kingley which is sheltered from the harshness of
Several Months ago the City settled its arbitration case and I recall reading
in the document that they were 'off-the-hook' regarding any further repairs to
ConHall.
The wording was something to the effect that all work done to date satisfies
their obligation and no additional restoration was
The primary problem is a poorly crafted redevelopment plan and contract that
gave inadequate protections to the City and public. An unwillingness/inability
to fix those mistakes going forward virtually assures further erosion of what
remains of the City's heritage.
Werner
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It's that time again - when the Power Company Tree Butchers roam the streets of
Asbury Park hacking and slashing at our at one time beautiful treescape.
Ironic that the City received the coveted Tree City designation from the State
while the objects of the award (the TREES) are systematically
One Texas homeowner pulled a gun on a utility tree trimming crew during a
storm last winter. Another parked his Hummer under a tree so crews couldn't
trim it. We've had to get restraining orders, says Jeamy Molina, spokeswoman
for Oncor, the state's largest power company
An attribution as to the source of this please.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
Milton Rosenberg was not related to Julius Rosenberg, whom he had never met.
The child of struggling Orthodox Jews who had fled Eastern Europe, he was a
staunch
For decades I have been an observer of the local antics, attempting to stay out
of such matters and focus of advocating for what is in the best interests of
the City. My efforts resulted in my becoming a 'political prisoner' in the most
literal sense.
Allow me to share my observations
The
WHAT ! - Agendas and Minutes not posted ! - I am shocked...
Well, not really
On that topic - There is no legal requirement that Agendas and Minutes be
posted on the Web, however one would think that if there is a website heading
or page, that the information would be there...
I doubt
Well the answer is, the roof of the Band Shell has been neglected for so long
that it has become a hazard with lumber being blown off in high winds onto the
Boardwalk and Ocean Avenue.
The roof surface deteriorated to such a degree that the underlying roof deck
(wood) is rotting. Keep in mind
If there were any intention of complying with the Redevelopment Plan to
preserve and restore the 5th Avenue Pavilion it would have been done by now
instead of having spent significant resources on an inappropriate
(non-conforming) remodeling.
I hereby publicly predict that the 5th Avenue
Went to Rafferty's last night and used the 'meter' for the first time.
My experience and impressions-
- can not see the keypad well - is is not lit up ! - No light in the panel to
illuminate it from the exterior and no back lighting within the keys. This is
ridiculous - Basic human
A 'nice' thought .. but unfortunately, completely unrealistic.
The building has be remodeled and butchered up to such an extent that it will
likely never be the landmark it deserves to be.
All the concrete walkways/awnings have been removed... seating has been
removed... air handling equipment
I cracked a tooth and need recommendations for a dentist.
Unfortunately cost is an issue.
Free/clinic would be great since I have not recovered from my treatment by
the City.
Or perhaps a practitioner that allows installment payments.
Werner
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I can relate... I was also a 'science geek' - still am - LOL.
As I recall, in those days the term may have been nerd.
The problem with sports these days is it seems to have superseded getting an
education instead of being an extracurricular activity ... remember those ? ...
baseball, track,
The wheel was sold and transported to Phoenixville Pennsylvania, where it was
originally built by the Phoenix Iron Works. It is being restored as a static
display to honor the heritage of the community as part or their redevelopment
project.
In spite of my enormous disappointment that the
I've also read the turf vs grass comments with great interest. Sports is highly
overrated Shouldn't getting a basic education be paramount ? As mentioned,
sports should be used as an incentive to achieve intellectually not as a goal
unto itself.
On a related note - Atlantic Square Park is
or... Missed Opportunities...
1888 Carousel House and Palace Recent History
By G. DOROTHY SABATINI
June 8, 2004
In the summer of 1998, a hundred years after the carousel house within the
Palace Amusements building was constructed, a story broke of its eminent
demolition. A vast curiosity
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
Your comments to the recommendations are well thought out and expressed.
Thank you -
If anyone is imterested they are at:
http://ols12.com/wernerapnj/AsburyPark/WaterfrontComments.pdf
Unfortunately my computer crashed while
Where is this happening... There is no 8th Ave Pavilion
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote:
As part of this weekends ATP festival, artist Shepard Fairey is going to be
working around the city. He's currently working at the 8th Ave. pavillion.
If you don't
Why does an otherwise intelligent person with a prominent business resort to
name calling and denigrating other people ?
What a chilling effect this has had on peoples participation in discussions
here -
Notice the silence, as if waiting for hostilities to unfold. Perhaps member are
afraid of
that was ever born.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
This posting is inaccurate...
The document referred to is.. the Advisory Committee Recommendations.
Not the Redevelopment Plan
The Redevelopment Plan is at
http://cityofasburypark.com/pdfs
That would not be the best option.
ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for.
Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up.
The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that
would not negatively impact the
:
Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in
the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows
presented there.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
That would not be the best option.
ConHall
There are numerous reasons why that is impractical.
Foremost being that State CAFRA policy limits construction on the ocenfront
which is intended to minimize threats to life and property from hurricane and
flood conditions. If a hotel were allowed it would likely be cost prohibitive
to build
.
Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning
standpoint.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@
wrote:
I would love
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking
about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage.
While this group may be discussing the outdoor stage ... That is NOT what is
being referred to in the
Having grown up on Long Island and been a 'rail-rat' at Central Mall of Jones
Beach during my youth, I have to comment on how ridiculous it is to propose
that the Stone Pony could be like the Jones Beach Theater.
Jones Beach State Park is 10,000 acres of mostly wilderness with the Theater
I'm concerned by some misinterpretations that have cropped up in the discussion
of the Stone Pony.
As the Plan and Contract currently stand, the Stone Pony is flagged as a
building to be retained on a Conditional basis. That being - it continues to
remain open and used as an entertainment
This is what I asked...
'...State policies encourage Open Government - thats a fact, not theories of
'boogeymen'. What exactly was the fear (in your mind or the committee's) to
having the public witness your deliberations?
Since the public was excluded from 'sitting-in' how does that instill
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
When you look up condescending in the dictionary it has your photo. You spoke
as if only you knew things. Duany, Clarke, etc. There were some good things
to think about proffered by folks. It was an initial airing of comments.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote:
I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties
generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview
of what was discussed generally? What are they planning?
In
at
the Pony is usually one of the first positive I list!
The townhomes by North Beach? Yes- that is another winning idea! (sarcasm)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote:
I would love
,
way, way off base open open records act etc. Stop seeing boogeymen in every
corner. Public input will be taken via mail and email afterwards I believe so
this has been from the very start mindful that its an open process.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote
The turn-out last night was fairly large - I am however disappointed for
several reasons.
- Very few people spoke at the public portion.. I realize that the document was
not a quick read - but I did expect more questions...
- The ethnic diversity of Asbury Park was certainly not represented.
The City's Waterfront Advisory Committee is giving it's public presentation
tonight ( 15th ) at 6pm. It is my understanding that public comment and input
will be solicited.
This is very important... everyone who cares about Asbury Park should be
interested and attend. To date this entire
Typical misinformation and distortion of the truth.
No - He does not own the boardwalk.
-- details do matter
Werner
BTW - There is another 7 hours of rain from the west coming along.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote:
CBS Channel 2 broadcasting live from
Midnight Saturday
Gusts of wind and waves of rain assault the 5th Ave command post...
The facility creaks and shutters under the strain.
Access roads appear impassible.
Provisions adequate.
Utilities functioning.
We shall return.
Over and out
Werner
Please explain why, exactly, you are mentioning me with regard to your issue
with street lights.
Why should I be happy that they are broken and you are unhappy with them ?
Regards - Wb
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
While it may make Werner happy -
Hmmm What's wrong with this picture?
You purchase your $30 parking permit to park in front of your home
... or so you think.
All the spaces are taken and you end up parking a block away in any case...
... making your $30 permit moot.
When did complaints become a negative thing?
I recall that many places had a Complaint Box..
Businesses routinely encourage feedback from customers...
How do things improve if no one complains?...
Process Quality Management (PQM) -
It was discovered that fixing a problem in a product after it
My fear that this forum had died an untimely death had been dispelled with the
recent heated yet welcome discussions. Some observations
- Lack of attention to details continues to be a serious problem and appears to
be the root cause of most dysfunctional processes observed in the City.
-
Several weeks ago I attempted to stimulate some interest and discussion
regarding the process started by the City to modify the Redevelopment Plan.
Sadly, The response has been less than encouraging considering that the Plan is
the most significant document effecting success or failure of the
The Asbury Park High School Building should be a regional vocational training
center... The Culinary Arts School is already there. Just add an Automotive
School, Plumbing/Pipe Fitting School, Carpentry/Construction School,
Internet/IT School, Business School...etc.
A great building with a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
As litigation and the Advisory Committee move forward it will be very
useful to know the ownership of properties, in particular how much
property
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
On the files section looks like I did this in 2003
Exactly what are the boundries you want to see.
---
Boundaries would be the Redevelopment Area (the 'blighted
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
Ok -
First file uploaded. 83 properties under Asbury Partners LLC
Go to files section
--
Thanks I'll have to fire up my Windows PC to access it.
Werner
Dan, Oak...
I thought it was fairly obvious what the intent and usefulness of baselining
property ownership in the Waterfront Redevelopment Area (WRA) is. You are both
involved in real estate so I am surprised by your brushing off the issue as a
paperchase. Clearly everything is paper from a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
The biggest asset which is one mile long is the beach.
The biggest building on the bw was pretty quiet on entertainment last year.
If mm also bought the rights to the phase two and three of wesleygriove how
come no one is
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythmick@... wrote:
I heard the city was forming a committee to re-look at the waterfront
redevelopment and potentially recommend something new and more appropriate to
this decade. I though that was a wise idea. Does the WRA only have a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythmick@... wrote:
Even so, it seems to me that MM (and hopefully iStar) already see that
entertainment and taking advantage of our architectural assets is the best
way forward versus just tons of condos.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
Many issues here. As I've said - We need to know who we are dealing with
and what property/rights they hold... some factual data collection
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
fyi on the skills question:
about a year ago I started a linkedin.com group titled Asbury Park.
About 58 people have joined so far.
---
What are the topics of discussion there ?
Are they
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythmick@... wrote:
It seems to be at least part of the objective of taking iStar to court was to
get their attention, and get them moving. the city claimed there were
developers ready, willing and able to move forward right now...that those
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote:
_City loses bid to cut ties with redeveloper | The Asbury Park Press |
APP.com_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011102280337)
-
...Although this court
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:.
And werner, you can have all the advisors you want. All the experts. Look at
wesley grove as an example.
Oak, I am intrigued, please explain what you mean by that comment.. an example
of what?
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
And how can you pick on IStar?
Now bumped over $10 per share.
That $1,000 investment now $9200. Only if
They are getting about $3 BILLION in refinancing/financing from gvt saved JP
Morgan.
So you will say that has
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
Redevelopment from a city/town perspective does not have a profit motive
But from a developer/builder perspective it is 100% a profit motive
Companies just don't build to benefit communtities and its citizens, that is
just
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
That's my point. IStar owns the redevelopment rights to build 3,000 units
plus retail.
Those rights, I think, are worth at least $70m. Then they onw the land.
Just a few corrections.. iStar does not own the rights to 3000+
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
Actually you said..
Certainly there needs to be a 'profit' motive to interest developers but
that is not the primary purpose
For a developer it in fact the primary purpose
Show me a developer where their primary purpose
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
Show me a developer where their primary purpose is NOT profits
every govt project.
Redevelopment IS a government project...
Werner
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
I don't view from the side of the developer, I look at things objectively
from both sides, that's the logical way
In fact, I'm on board with 99% of YOUR views
Woo-Hoo good to know
As I recall you are involved in the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
1. The original plan/sketch for wesley grove looks nothing like what was
built. A cheap version. And not to offend anyone that is happy that they made
it a home. Some got in high and are happy and some got in low and are happy.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Vinnie tripvin@... wrote:
I would love to get involved - open to ideas.
What exactly is the purpose of arbitration - does it boil down to an arbiter
deciding whether Asbury Partners is in default? Are we at a point where we
potentially wait 6 months
Oak - I'm having a hard time following/relating to your train of thought.
Could you narrow it down to Who owns What ?
You are in the real estate business.. right?
Could you kindly look up the property ownership
of various parcels in the Waterfront Redevelopment Area (WRA)?
For example who owns
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
It was not condescending but genuine. You find the continual need to nitpick
and force others into your realm of conformity. The WRA is the redevelopment
agreement, contract or whatever you want to call it. That is correct
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