So what's your opinion... can I really go from SB3 to Power Amp w/o a
preamp, just by using attenuator? Somebody in the forum advised me to
do so and use volume control on SB3. Did you guys try it? Is it good
safe to do so? Moreover, what's an attenuator? (I am considering
starting a new thread
giga;170374 Wrote:
So what's your opinion... can I really go from SB3 to Power Amp w/o a
preamp, just by using attenuator? Somebody in the forum advised me to
do so and use volume control on SB3. Did you guys try it? Is it good
safe to do so? Moreover, what's an attenuator? (I am
Indeed even the stock SB3 sounds amazingly good. But I'd add an analog
volume attenuator to safeguard your speakers...
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Robin Bowes;169133 Wrote:
tomjtx wrote:
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Max seems to be able to do it:
http://sbooth.org/Max/
R.
re: Max - I played around with it a few months ago and found that a
number of tags were lost when converting from ALAC to FLAC.
From memory, I think the ALAC
Linn records has some excellent recordings available as windows media
lossless files without DRM. A lot of their releases are available at CD
quality and some at even higher bitrates and sample rates than CD.
http://www.linnrecords.com/index.aspx
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Nikhil
jan van mourik;170342 Wrote:
retired in favour of my much older Krell KSA-50S
Hey P, did you make sure to clean the contacts of that old amp? ;-)
Seriously though, that's something I still want to try, run my SB2
straight
into the power amp. I guess you're not afraid of the noise of
empty99;170368 Wrote:
You are now free, free of nicotine, free of odor, free of strange
aftertaste. Silence, beautiful silence from the deep dark 200dB S/N (or
more) of zero preamp noises. I got rid of the curse since 1989 and
haven't look back since.
SB3-MF A3.24-50Kohm Alps pot-2 Nak
mglaudiolabs;170410 Wrote:
Indeed even the stock SB3 sounds amazingly good. But I'd add an analog
volume attenuator to safeguard your speakers...
I'll think about it!
Luckily, when playing at bearable volumes, I'm almost maxing out the
SB3's volume control as it is. I have only 5 dB of
Mike Anderson;170364 Wrote:
Well it's true that you can delay one channel versus another using the
Behringer unit, but if I understand correctly, when EQ is applied to do
the room correction, it can cause phase changes even within a channel.
Part of the idea of the DEQX is that it is
tomjtx;170243 Wrote:
BTW, why do they need to drm lossy 128kbps files anway?
99.5% of consumers would ask what is lossless, why's it bigger and why
do I need it? 128 kbps is perfect already - it's CD-quality, isn't it?
DRM? What's that? I can play it on my iPod and on my PC in iTunes,
what
mikeruss;170320 Wrote:
I'm not sue if this is true, I have never tied but if you search for
band name or song then *.flac on this site http://thepiratebay.org/
some say there is music there.
Yes, that's called piracy. The clue's in the name ;)
Adam
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SB3 into Derek Shek d2,
You might want to consider the LavryDAC10. Many people prefer it over
the Benchmark.
They are both so good it is probably a matter of preference so a listen
to both could be worthwhile.
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totoro;170298 Wrote:
If you haven't looked at that sixmoons link I posted, you might get a
laugh or two out of it.
Further fun at http://marigoaudio.com/vtstuningdots.htm and
particularly http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html
I've read that last link about 3 times and it still
Sounds like you're having fun! My comments:
I have heard Lyngdorf RCS and digital amps, and found them singularly
unmusical - PRaT-free, if you like! Clarity and detail, sure, but that
doesn't really do it for me. All my personal opinion - others love
them, I know.
Krell have been going
mikeruss;170290 Wrote:
Agreed - very helpful.
What cable do you use?
I was thinking about the Wireworld Starlight 5. Wins most awards in
Hi-Fi Choice etc etc.
That appears to be an HDMI cable (and more expensive than the DAC!).
Not a good choice ;)
I'm using a very fat and probably
P , I think you have discovered a secret that hi-end dealers love:
The brain is attracted to change.
We get used to a system ,put in a new/old component and find that
better or more interesting. As long as the gear is in the same
ballpark in quality.
This happens to me with guitars as well as
All there cables in the range have the same name!!
this is the baby
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=003sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=130068132122rd=1rd=1
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adamslim;170449 Wrote:
Sounds like you're having fun! My comments:
I have heard Lyngdorf RCS and digital amps, and found them singularly
unmusical - PRaT-free, if you like! Clarity and detail, sure, but that
doesn't really do it for me. All my personal opinion - others love
them, I
tomjtx;170460 Wrote:
P , I think you have discovered a secret that hi-end dealers love:
The brain is attracted to change.
We get used to a system ,put in a new/old component and find that
better or more interesting. As long as the gear is in the same
ballpark in quality.
This happens to
DUH, not too smart of me! After you told me I read a bit more on Ebay and
noticed this line:
More Photo / Details / Comments in Hi Fi Forums – *search Derek DAC on
yahoo or google*, or click to
*here*http://www.sigtone.net/Testimonial%20d2.htmlfor testimonials
or* www.**sigtone**.**net
*
:-)
On
No lack of PRaT here with the RCS...(digital only though - IMHO PRaT
should NOT be affected in the digital domain if all is working properly
- it is an analogue/transition phenomena!) - anyway, whatever floats
your boat!
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Hi
I think the AVI speakers would have to retail higher than 600 (the
quote on the website reads to me like 1500 minus mac mini costs)..
They look like they are pitched higher in quality than the Neutron IV
but with the addition of active crossovers (the way to go) and 4 drive
specific
Phil Leigh;170528 Wrote:
No lack of PRaT here with the RCS...(digital only though - IMHO PRaT
should NOT be affected in the digital domain if all is working properly
- it is an analogue/transition phenomena!) - anyway, whatever floats
your boat!
YMMV, IMHO, etc, etc.. ;-)
Actually, I hope
P Floding;170546 Wrote:
YMMV, IMHO, etc, etc.. ;-)
Actually, I hope to test using the TacT in the digital domain to see
how it will perform. Unfortunately perfection (even in bypass mode) is
not guaranteed, as the RCS uses an ASRC on the input. (Not to mention
the two SPDIFs needed to get
You may be correct about the cost, was pure speculation on my part.
I've spoken to Ashley from AVI on the phone before and he's very
passionate about his products. I seem to remember he was running for a
train when I phoned but that didn't stop the call lasting over 30 mins.
I take it he
Phil Leigh;170550 Wrote:
sorry about all the acronyms - but I didn't start it! :o)
Oh, I didn't mean to comment on your acronyms! I just meant I didn't
put in all the usual caveats in the OP. Anyway, I'm not that humble, as
I believe in what I hear... It's just a standard phrase.. ;-)
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P
It depends heavily on what you want to use it for too, what your preferences
are. Maybe the Porsche is faster around the race track, and if that's your
definition of better, it wins. But maybe in the value-for-money category
the Mazda wins...
Anyway, I like the Pontiac Solstice better than the
P Floding;170553 Wrote:
Oh, I didn't mean to comment on your acronyms! I just meant I didn't put
in all the usual caveats in the OP. Anyway, I'm not that humble, as I
believe in what I hear... It's just a standard phrase.. ;-)
I know - only a joke - stay cool PF!
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Phil Leigh
I still think having the attenuators built-in on the Transporter would
be beneficial.
Benchmark does it for their DAC1 and I think they got it right:
consumer level RCA output and XLR output with attenuators at 0, -10,
-20, -30.
I realize this is not very easy to change but it would:
1. allow
mikeruss;170462 Wrote:
All there cables in the range have the same name!!
this is the baby
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=003sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=130068132122rd=1rd=1
I'm sure it'll be fine, but I'll be spending a tenner at
www.bluejeanscables.co.uk
opaqueice wrote:
OK, in case anyone cares, relative phase is quite easily audible in some
test signals, but not in others (I've just been playing with Audacity).
If you combine two tones with commensurate frequencies - for example 200
and 400 Hz pure tones - it's very easy to hear the
I _think_ it was, although I might be putting words in his mouth. My
reading of it was that commensurate meant that the two frequencies
were related by one of the standard harmonic ratios (ie, if one
frequency is equal to some power of 2 times the other, it's in an
octave relationship).
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Robin, I think Mr. Ice meant related...I got the idea...the problem is
that apart from sine waves there's isn't much real music that behaves
like this...equal temprament/Fourier and all that - all very complex!
I agree that if you intermodulate two harmonically related frequencies
you can easily
Phil Leigh;170584 Wrote:
Robin, I think Mr. Ice meant related...I got the idea...the problem is
that apart from sine waves there's isn't much real music that behaves
like this...equal temprament/Fourier and all that - all very complex!
I agree that if you intermodulate two harmonically
lafayette;169397 Wrote:
I asked this very question of tech support. They said it was impossible
because the Transporter lacks sufficient memory for the additional
process -- or something like that.
That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on this.
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I know - life can be cruel sometimes :o)
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Are you using a stock DAC card in your 2.2X?
BTW- the real power of the 2.2X comes from using it for biamping with
dual corner loaded subs.
P Floding;170331 Wrote:
I've done a system shakeup, and can report on some findings:
1. The TacT RCS is getting a rest. Room correction is nice,
seanadams;170587 Wrote:
That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on this.
Sean - it would be great if this could be implemented (no pressure old
chap!). I think there is a small - but loyal - band of SB/TP fans who
would really appreciate this feature if it were possible.
Robin Bowes;170578 Wrote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Is commensurate the
word
you really meant to use?
Can you clarify please?
R.
By commensurate I mean related by an integer or simple rational number,
as totoro correctly says. To be specific, I tried this with 200
Phil Leigh wrote:
seanadams Wrote:
That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on this.
Sean - it would be great if this could be implemented (no pressure old
chap!). I think there is a small - but loyal - band of SB/TP fans who
would really appreciate this feature if it
Hi
I came out of the conversation thinking they would be £1000 however
I may have made a tenuous inference (or just made it up)..
Really like to see the sub as well.. Outside of studios I've never
heard a sub integrated in a way that is acceptable for all types of
music...
regards
Michael
Pat Farrell;170604 Wrote:
Phil Leigh wrote:
seanadams Wrote:
That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on
this.
Sean - it would be great if this could be implemented (no pressure
old
chap!). I think there is a small - but loyal - band of SB/TP fans
who
jhm731;170589 Wrote:
Are you using a stock DAC card in your 2.2X?
BTW- the real power of the 2.2X comes from using it for biamping with
dual corner loaded subs.
Yes, I do use the stock DAC (two of them, one for the sub). Perhaps
this is where the weakness lays.
Of course, a TacT with
Look at this link: http://www.linnrecords.com/ Seems Linn is even
offering their 24bit masters for download!
Jitterbug wrote:
I'm wondering what download stores are selling music in lossless
formats, ideally without DRM. I came across musicgiants.com but its
selection is pretty limited. Have
P Floding wrote:
If anything is in the works it is sure to be a full net enabled
A/V-whatchamacallit with the works. Perhaps with high-end ambitions not
that they have a division with some (resent) kudos?
True audiophiles don't have televisions in the serious music listening room.
It is
giga;170385 Wrote:
What about using a preamp or an external DAC, would that solve the
funky-bit problem ? Also, the only attenuators I found (eBay) are fixed
attenuation:
http://electronics.search.ebay.com/attenuator_Home-Audio_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQsacatZ14969
is there something
Robin Bowes;170612 Wrote:
opaqueice wrote:
Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote:
And you call yourself an audiophile?
Such * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy*heresy.
It's kind of fun, being a heretic... here are two (of an infinite
number available) pieces of actual evidence (!!) to
Actually, whether you are using wireless G or Ethernet, the music from
your Slimserver to your Squeezebox/Transporter is data over a TCP/IP
network, not an audio signal as such. (Just like VOIP, but much better
quality).
--
DLloyd
Kiep;170562 Wrote:
I still think having the attenuators built-in on the Transporter would
be beneficial.
Benchmark does it for their DAC1 and I think they got it right:
consumer level RCA output and XLR output with attenuators at 0, -10,
-20, -30.
I realize this is not very easy to
P Floding;170434 Wrote:
I see you use an Alps pot as an attenuator. That should be easy enough
to rig up and try out.. Do you use it on the amp side or DAC side of
the interconnect?
How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound compared to using the
MF?
Rgds
actually 1/2 way
I'm running my SB3 into an Adcom GTP600 preamp with a 6 zone amplifier
and I enjoy perfectly clear, hum free music. I attempted a split of
the RCA jacks onthe SB to send a signal downstairs to my basement and
immediately upon plugging in the y RCA spiltter humming exists. Has
anyone out there
chiefersone wrote:
I'm running my SB3 into an Adcom GTP600 preamp with a 6 zone amplifier
and I enjoy perfectly clear, hum free music. I attempted a split of
the RCA jacks onthe SB to send a signal downstairs to my basement and
immediately upon plugging in the y RCA spiltter humming exists.
For sure that would make my wife happy! And, I guess, me too. When I
compared the Rotel Rb-1090 to a Classe ca-5200, I think the Classe sounded a
bit better, driving a BW 803. Very delicate, refined. I ended up getting
the Rotel because it was much cheaper :-) But maybe someday I'd like to
Yes, but will a $200 new amp last as long as a well built used one for
$500?
My mccormack is a pretty solidly made beast.
That's part of the value for me. And I'm _not_ advocating some super
expensive amp :)
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totoro
squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4
P Floding asked: How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound
compared to using the MF?
The silly audiophile in me sez no way the puny SB3 can outsound the
20lbs MF DAC, so I haven't tried it yet. The unit is currently at Slim
for repair. But I did a little system shakeup of my own while
So I could toslink to my Adcom GTP600 upstairs and use the RCA outputs
from the SB3 to my downstairs Denon receivervia my through the floor
RCA interconnect cable? Is this what you are saying?
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chiefersone
DLloyd;170627 Wrote:
Actually, whether you are using wireless G or Ethernet, the music from
your Slimserver to your Squeezebox/Transporter is data over a TCP/IP
network, not an audio signal as such. (Just like VOIP, but much better
quality).
Sorry, forgot to say using baluns.
--
Skunk
empty99;170653 Wrote:
P Floding asked: How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound
compared to using the MF?
The silly audiophile in me sez no way the puny SB3 can outsound the
20lbs MF DAC, so I haven't tried it yet. The unit is currently at Slim
for repair. But I did a little
Pat Farrell;170619 Wrote:
P Floding wrote:
If anything is in the works it is sure to be a full net enabled
A/V-whatchamacallit with the works. Perhaps with high-end ambitions
not
that they have a division with some (resent) kudos?
True audiophiles don't have televisions in the serious
opaqueice wrote:
By commensurate I mean related by an integer or simple rational number,
as totoro correctly says.
Ah, right. I've not heard the term before.
For real music I'm skeptical this will matter. Still, it would be
interesting to play with real tones that are pretty pure. I may
Skunk;170353 Wrote:
Another interesting tidbit I read was the idea of using rj45 and cat5
as an external i2s interface, perhaps one application where I might
order Belkin etc (if it would even work and i didn't read
incorrectly!).
I'm using Cat5 cable for I2S connection between boxes but
Hi,
I am considering plugging the SB into a PowerAmp (not integrated).
Some people say that an attenuator is needed for when the SB goes crazy
and spit out byte-swapped packets that can blowup speakers. Other thinks
I need a preamp other that I should not do it.
Have you try this? What's your
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4c5pt/id2.html
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Heres the one I use. I couldn't live without remote.
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/preamplifiers/creek/PRD_118255_1591crx.aspx
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giga;170707 Wrote:
Hi,
I am considering plugging the SB into a PowerAmp (not integrated).
Some people say that an attenuator is needed for when the SB goes crazy
and spit out byte-swapped packets that can blowup speakers. Other thinks
I need a preamp other that I should not do it.
Are these lossless download sold with the proper tags?
ie all the contributors (musos), engineers etc.
Gus
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Hi Giga,
I tried the same thing for awhile, plugging the SB3 directly into an
amp (PS Audio Trio A-100). At the listening levels I was listening at
the sound was very good but not as good as I felt it could be due to
the loss of resolution using the SB3's built-in digital volume control.
I did a
totoro;170713 Wrote:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4c5pt/id2.html
I highly agree with totoro's suggestion.
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JohnSwenson;170699 Wrote:
I'm using Cat5 cable for I2S connection between boxes but I'm using LVDS
on the interface. It works wonderfully and the EMI from the cable is
quite low with low voltage swing.
John S.
I'm jealous. I'd love to hear it, especially with the clock mod. Do
those
This is off the topic but since someone was mentioning that Amazon was a
good way to get music I figured that I would mention yourmusic.com I've
been using them for over a year now and I love it. Every CD that they
sell is $7 including SACD's (it used to be $6 but went up to $7 on the
first of
Actually there will be a commercial product most likely announced later
this year. But its going to make a transpoter seem inexpensive. (ie it
won't be a cheap product) We were trying to get it ready for CES but
that didn't happen. The plan is to make it work with Slimserver, but it
will also
Well, the Bryston 2V setting and unbalanced connection with no
attenuation on the Tp works very well.
I haven't tried the balanced side yet.
Here is a very clear statement on the requirement to set the source to
amp gain via analog attentuation correctly when connecting direct from
the Slim
First, I totally agree that the analog stage of the SB3 currently is
not at a hey, buddies, listen to this... level. But, through a good
DAC it's close.
I wonder if you might be giving up too easily on the Transporter. I've
had mine for a month now, and the more I listen to it, the more I like
muski;168135 Wrote:
Note that this is not a balanced amp, and so cannot be connected to the
Transporter's XLR balanced outputs. Headroom does make some balanced
amps, but they are even pricier. Also, if you do buy a balanced
headphone amp, you will need to recable your HD 600s.
Headroom
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