Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money

2007-10-03 Thread Konig
zanash;231990 Wrote: Now why would you want to believe some one who's business is to dupe you, ie an illusionist ? The last time I bothered to check ...the small print and exceptions would make it more than impossible to show sound changes between cable. Let alone things like amps or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About Jitter Measurements

2007-10-03 Thread SuperQ
mftech;232242 Wrote: Just for fun I connect my SB3 to a Merging Technologies Mykerinos Audio Card. The Mykerinos is a very accurate and expensive audio card used for sound recording and mastering form 41.1Khz to DSD. The SB3 read a very low jitter reading between O to 2ns and no

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-10-03 Thread CPC
USAudio;232241 Wrote: Thanks gdg. Yep, disconnected the COAX and the TOSlink sounds terrific. I think the PS Audio Digital Link III does a good job handling any added jitter that might have been introduced. http://www.psaudio.com/products/digital_link_iii_overview.asp If the Toslink output

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-10-03 Thread Phil Leigh
CPC;232277 Wrote: If the Toslink output sounds equal to or better than the SPDIF RCA output, maybe the SPDIF RCA output has problems. See the audiocircle thread. CPC, you seem absolutely convinced that coax is/must be better than toslink...why? Do you have any evidence to back this up? --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-10-03 Thread gdg
Apparently Toslink does in fact introduce jitter. I have this from at least two audio engineers that have no reason to mislead me on this. However, if you reclock to bring the jitter down to minimal levels (as I do with a Big Ben)you can then take advantage of the fact that Toslink isolates the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records FLAC 24bit 44.1kHz to DVD Audio???

2007-10-03 Thread funkstar
Did a quick Google : http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclientie=UTF-8rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-14,GGLJ:enq=burning+a+DVD%2dAudio+disc No idea if these are any good, but this is the first two i found: Audio DVD Maker http://www.shareup.net/Multimedia/Video/Audio-DVD-Maker-review-18486.html

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-03 Thread darrenyeats
amey01;232189 Wrote: recordings sound nothing like the live event. That's a whole can of worms again. (I recall we discussed this a while ago :-) ) That might be true but the reason is not necessarily red book. I recall two occasions in my life when a recording has sounded real (absolutely

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-10-03 Thread Phil Leigh
gdg;232284 Wrote: Apparently Toslink does in fact introduce jitter. I have this from at least two audio engineers that have no reason to mislead me on this. However, if you reclock to bring the jitter down to minimal levels (as I do with a Big Ben) you can then take advantage of the fact

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-03 Thread netim3
adamslim;231701 Wrote: Any questions as to value are irrelevant - if it is the best-sounding digital source available, then £9,600 does not seem an outrageous price (indeed, good value?). Since it is dealer set-up, I presume that they set up a PC for you and the network. If it works with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!

2007-10-03 Thread jaysung
Hi now the resonance to my initiative is not all that welcoming. ;) But any way. I have learnt something about test cds and burning in cables again. That is good. I actually wanted to give a short report about what happened when I played my little test file for I was actually searching for a way

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread mortod
inguz;229908 Wrote: No, sweep with EQ runs the whole processing pipeline. I think you may be hitting up against the inaccuracy of EQ bands at low frequencies (where, essentially, the EQ filters aren't long enough for the slopes to reach the EQ strength you want). I have other people

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!

2007-10-03 Thread Phil Leigh
jaysung;232313 Wrote: Hi now the resonance to my initiative is not all that welcoming. ;) But any way. I have learnt something about test cds and burning in cables again. That is good. I actually wanted to give a short report about what happened when I played my little test file for I was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread tonyptony
Nice to see this is working. I'd be curious to know how you think the 17-band EQ sounds compared to Minimum. It looks like Minimum provides a somewhat flatter response across the mid-band. -- tonyptony tonyptony's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records FLAC 24bit 44.1kHz to DVD Audio???

2007-10-03 Thread Robert_W
Well, thanks but those are both just plain flavored DVD authoring software programs. There are lots of them. They are just burning the CD audio quality that any DVD player can use. But they aren't DVD-audio. Referenced here:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-03 Thread funkstar
netim3;232307 Wrote: How easy would it be to build a dummy SoftSqueeze emulator that is controlable from SlimServer and that essentially acts as a Slim-UPnP converter - acting as a control point for the Linn DS by forwarding forwarding its playlist/music-stream to the DS? It would be

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread ezkcdude
So, which rules the roost: 24 bits or 96/192 kHz? If you had to choose b/w 16/192 and 24/48, which would you choose? Please provide articles or personal experiences (even if they are not DBT). -- ezkcdude There are 10 kind of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money

2007-10-03 Thread totoro
Mark Lanctot;232212 Wrote: If Proctor Gamble marketed laundry detergent like exotic cable manufacturers marketed cables, they would have been sued into the stone age... If it is night and day (like it ALWAYS is) then two words: PROVE IT. The onus of proof is on the one making the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread mortod
You're right - just listening to David Gilmour, his voice sounds fuller with correction, I guess because some of those lower frequencies are relatively higher. -- mortod mortod's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-03 Thread Pat Farrell
darrenyeats wrote: That might be true but the reason is not necessarily red book. RedBook can sound amazing. For proof, go to the Royer Microphone site, and order their $4 sample CD. Its amazing. Both were recordings of live performances, and I know in at least one case the recording

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-03 Thread SuperQ
cliveb;232036 Wrote: I may ridicule some of Linn's pronouncements from time to time, but in this case I think they have a point. Consider the numerous threads in these forums about dropout problems, and how nearly all of them are eventually traced to wireless networking problems. I think

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-03 Thread CatBus
amey01;232189 Wrote: But there is just so much that science and DBT tests (which have been proven inaccurate) can't explain. Money quote from this forum IMO. Science has been scientifically proven to be wrong. But if it was proven scientifically, then maybe it wasn't proven after all

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread opaqueice
Evidently even both together don't make an audible difference, so it's hard to answer your question. In any case I suspect the relevant thing is the information capacity - which involves a product of bit depth and sampling frequency. So I'm not sure it's a binary choice like that.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-03 Thread cliveb
SuperQ;232380 Wrote: And for every posted problem there are many times more that don't have problems at all. I have a TP and 2 SB on my network, and do file transfers all the time between my laptop and my server and don't see dropouts. I didn't say that all wireless setups are problematic.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread ezkcdude
The reason I'm asking is because I want to do some concert recording with my new Zoom H2 recorder. In order to save space - and thus get longer recording times - I am planning to go with the 24/44.1 or 24/48 setting, rather than 24/96. But maybe I should just stick with 16/44.1 or 48? The Zoom

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My experience implementing John Swenson's Synchronous Reclocking Circuit

2007-10-03 Thread RioTubes
I recently completed building John Swenson's DIY synchronous reclocking circuit that he generously made available in a post on this board back in March. The results are nothing short of amazing in the context of my system. John has had this up and running for over a year, so I have nothing new to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread Phil Leigh
Personally in that situation I'd go 24/44.1. That way, any post processing that you may want to do (later) can be in true 24-bit. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread tonyptony
Isn't this stuff great? :-o I remember years ago being so unhappy that I couldn't afford an Audio Control C-101 equalizer. Times sure have changed! -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread SuperQ
Phil Leigh;232394 Wrote: Personally in that situation I'd go 24/44.1. That way, any post processing that you may want to do (later) can be in true 24-bit. I'm not a recording engineer. However I agree, having 24 bits for mastering a recording is probably better. This way you can make

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread mortod
Sure is. Another one for the wish list. Is there anything that can be done about cpu usage? One thought, could we have the option of streaming in WAV over the wire(less) (rather than converting back to flac)? I assume that would save some cpu. Are there any more light weight tools that we could

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-03 Thread SuperQ
cliveb;232386 Wrote: What I did say is that wireless issues appears to be the source of the majority of networking problems that are reported. Therefore by not supporting wireless, Linn avoids a potential support burden. I suppose people willing to spend that much on such a bare-bones box

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-03 Thread Phil Leigh
SuperQ;232415 Wrote: I suppose people willing to spend that much on such a bare-bones box are willing to spend the extra $50 for a wireless client bridge. No disrepect intended to any prospective purchasers, but I reckon they would have already had their house/yacht etc wired for Knekt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-10-03 Thread USAudio
CPC;232277 Wrote: If the Toslink output sounds equal to or better than the SPDIF RCA output, maybe the SPDIF RCA output has problems. See the audiocircle thread. Sorry, didn't mean to give the impression that TOSLink sounded better than the coax. They sounded equivalent in my system. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread Pale Blue Ego
If I had to choose between 24/48 and 16/192 I would definitely choose 24/48. If you think of it in video terms, the higher resolution of a greater bit-depth lets you capture a more detailed picture of each frame. Yet there's definitely a case of diminishing returns once the framerate is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-10-03 Thread CPC
Phil Leigh;232278 Wrote: CPC, you seem absolutely convinced that coax is/must be better than toslink...why? Do you have any evidence to back this up? Once the SPDIF/RCA output has been optimized as per the audiocircle thread, it sounds better than the Toslink. -- CPC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread ezkcdude
Thanks, for the responses. You pretty much confirmed what I had been thinking. So far, I'm quite happy with the H2. The (membrane) buttons are a little chintzy, so I hope they hold up. For voice (podcast) recording, I couldn't imagine needing any better. I recorded some thunder the other night,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!

2007-10-03 Thread jaysung
OK Phil and what do we mean by Odb or 0db? Is it the amplifier being set to 0 db? -- jaysung jaysung's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12375 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-10-03 Thread mister pig
Havent had much time to come back to this thread. But I did notice one thing that needs to be mentioned. Another member ran a comparison of WAV vs FLAC and experienced no differences between the formats. This did not coincide with a similar listeing test I ran, so I was curious to know what the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Redneck Transporter Review

2007-10-03 Thread Pale Blue Ego
So it was worth the $2000. Well played! -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38958

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-03 Thread amey01
opaqueice;232196 Wrote: Can you clarify what you mean? You mean a tone which is inaudible by itself can make an audible difference when played along with another tone? Do you have a reference? See post #12. Two things, 1: As in post 12, inaudible frequencies can have an audible effect on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records FLAC 24bit 44.1kHz to DVD Audio???

2007-10-03 Thread DCtoDaylight
Don't give up so fast! There's several choices for DVD-Audio creation If you've got deepish pockets, and need a full featured audio editor as well, Steinbergs Wavelab 6 does DVD-Audio mastering. http://www.steinberg.net/128_1.html If you don't need the editing capability, but still want pro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-10-03 Thread TiredLegs
mister pig;232485 Wrote: Another member ran a comparison of WAV vs FLAC and experienced no differences between the formats... Then I noticed all the listening was done through a pair of Stax headphones. While Stax makes some of the finest headphones known to audio, they do have their

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread esbrewer
I ran new measurements without the sub in my system, and the large dip around 130hz went away. The crossover must have been doing something odd - thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys. But DRC is still not acting on the upward trend in the HF. Attached are my new measurements

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-03 Thread CatBus
amey01;232484 Wrote: 2: It has also been shown that inaudible frequencies (although not directly heard), can be perceived by humans. [We don't know how]. I'm not saying that I can scientifically prove this stuff - thats the whole point! We don't know. No, I'm saying you CAN

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records FLAC 24bit 44.1kHz to DVD Audio???

2007-10-03 Thread Robert_W
DCtoDaylight, thank you! -- Robert_W Robert_W's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38947

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-03 Thread htrd
esbrewer;232504 Wrote: But DRC is still not acting on the upward trend in the HF. Attached are my new measurements (measured response, minimal, normal, insane). Any suggestions as to why? I suggest reviewing the target curve file (PSPointsFile) and mic calibration file (MCPointsFile).

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?

2007-10-03 Thread SuperQ
ezkcdude;232438 Wrote: Does anyone know of a program provides this info? I tried Winamp as well (doesn't do it). The metaflac utility included with the FLAC software can do this. http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html http://members.home.nl/w.speek/flac.htm