Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles 24 vs 16 bits...

2011-01-19 Thread cliveb
Phil Leigh;603389 Wrote: Clive - I'm talking about the track Hello Goodbye... RG track peak is 0.791992 for the 88 master and 0.958282 for the 2009 master... album peak of 1988 version is 0.958282 OK, understood. Track peak of Hello Goodbye on my MMT matches yours - 0.791992. However, I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles 24 vs 16 bits...

2011-01-19 Thread firedog
Phil Leigh;603346 Wrote: I have finally retrieved the 88 version of MMT from the garage. A quick listen confirms a couple of things: 1) this isn't a simple remaster, mix levels have been changed too Phil, all the pub for the remasters from the engineers said that there was no remix

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles 24 vs 16 bits...

2011-01-19 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;603542 Wrote: OK, understood. Track peak of Hello Goodbye on my MMT matches yours - 0.791992. However, I think you've misinterpreted these figures when you speak of 80dB and 95dB. Those replaygain peak levels are linear - respectively 79.1992% (which is about -2dB) and 95.8282% (which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles 24 vs 16 bits...

2011-01-19 Thread Phil Leigh
firedog;603544 Wrote: Phil, all the pub for the remasters from the engineers said that there was no remix (they worked only from the stereo masters, and not individual tracks). They did do selective limiting, EQ, editing, filtering, etc on the tracks. Especially noted that they compressed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does Server-side FLAC-PCM conversion DOWNSAMPLE 24bit/96khz

2011-01-19 Thread diego
audiomuze;603525 Wrote: How does the following: constitute referring to his customer's opinion as FUD? @Phil Leigh Yes I got that. The thing that causes the whole misunderstanding is, that the Server and the squeezebox touch's display say, when playing a flac file that is converted to PCM at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does Server-side FLAC-PCM conversion DOWNSAMPLE 24bit/96khz

2011-01-19 Thread garym
diego;603551 Wrote: Yes. He refers to people owning a squeezebox device. Some of those people wrote, based on their personal observations, that converting files to PCM at the server side sounds better than streaming a FLAC to the player. Well, they own at least one Squeezebox device, so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter keeps asking to update firmware?

2011-01-19 Thread dizzysnakepilot
Upgraded to whatever was current on the Logitech site, 7.5.2 I think. No unusual characters that I can tell. These files displayed and played just fine before the server change, Does the new server support hi-res files? The server is running on a Mac Mini with OSX Leopard. Thanks --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter keeps asking to update firmware?

2011-01-19 Thread garym
transporter handles 24/96 files natively. If they are not showing up in your database, something else is going wrong. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread stop-spinning
I've finally decided to stop using a CD Player and move across to music server convenience. Without modding, can I get really high quality sound from using a Squeezebox Duet fed to a good quality DAC? Theoretically - spinning a CD as a transport is poor compared to a hard disk (or solid state)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread Soulkeeper
The digital out of the Touch is considered to be better than that of the Receiver. But there are audiophiles who are satisfied with using the Receiver (or SB3)'s digital out. I think it depends the most on the quality of the DAC. A good DAC should be able to extract a bit perfect signal from any

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread Phil Leigh
Soulkeeper;603612 Wrote: The digital out of the Touch is considered to be better than that of the Receiver. But there are audiophiles who are satisfied with using the Receiver (or SB3)'s digital out. I think it depends the most on the quality of the DAC. A good DAC should be able to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread stop-spinning
I have the opportunity of getting a good second-hand Squeezebox Duet - are you saying that the Touch - 'sonically speaking via digital outs' is significantly superior to the Duet? Should I save up for the Touch instead? Also I notice that the Squeezebox does not use wireless N technology - will

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread Phil Leigh
stop-spinning;603634 Wrote: I have the opportunity of getting a good second-hand Squeezebox Duet - are you saying that the Touch - 'sonically speaking via digital outs' is significantly superior to the Duet? Should I save up for the Touch instead? Also I notice that the Squeezebox does

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread stop-spinning
OK that's useful and reassuring information. I am looking to get superb quality sound from the SB (I notice that Consonance now do something similar). My plans are to use the SB into a NOS DAC using something like the TDA1543 chips (which I have heard and liked). I might play safe and opt for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread Soulkeeper
No. The network connection is asynchroneous, and therefore does not matter. Only the SPDIF is synchroneous. Some people claim LAN sounds better than WLAN - probably because the WLAN module creates more RF noise or something. As the WLAN module operates in the 2.4 GHz spectrum (not kHz or even

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread garym
stop-spinning;603665 Wrote: I might play safe and opt for the SB Touch. I may have been told this wrongly but, will I compromise the sound quality if I use wireless instead of 'hard wired' (with good quality CAT6 cable)? Or is it purely a digital signal without the overhead of carrying a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread magiccarpetride
stop-spinning;603599 Wrote: I've finally decided to stop using a CD Player and move across to music server convenience. Without modding, can I get really high quality sound from using a Squeezebox Duet fed to a good quality DAC? Theoretically - spinning a CD as a transport is poor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BBC iPlayer, sound quality

2011-01-19 Thread slackhead
Radio 1 and Radio 2 both sound appalling (particularly Radio 1). Main reason, I believe is that the feeds are very heavily processed through multi-band compressor/limiters. That combined with the over-processed and maxed out nature of most recent recordings results in a most un-listenable

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread stop-spinning
magiccarpetride;603692 Wrote: Duet will force you to stay in the mid fi territory, as its digital transport is audibly inferior to that of a Touch. Anything you can do on your digital transport (i.e. Touch) to minimize the work that this mini computer has to do, will result in better sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread Phil Leigh
stop-spinning;603742 Wrote: It's a shame that the Duet keeps me in mid-fi territory because ergonomically I like it more - and of course there will be no worry turning the screen off because there is no screen on the unit. If however I need to elevate it from mid-fi can the Duet be modded to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread garym
stop-spinning;603742 Wrote: It's a shame that the Duet keeps me in mid-fi territory because ergonomically I like it more - and of course there will be no worry turning the screen off because there is no screen on the unit. If however I need to elevate it from mid-fi can the Duet be modded to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;603748 Wrote: A lot of these comparisons are somewhat theoretical. At my age with the hearing loss at certain frequencies, I doubt I'd be able to choose in a blind test whether I'm listening to a duet, TOUCH, or my Transporter. I ran a DUET receiver feeding via S/PIDF a Benchmark DAC I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread chill
magiccarpetride;603751 Wrote: ...significantly lowered jitter... @Stop-spinning Personally I'd take these differences with a pinch of salt. I replaced an SB3 with a Touch and whilst I certainly appreciate the features of the touch (touch screen, colour display etc), I'd be hard pressed to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread garym
You sorta need to read the forum for a while, or at least look at some of the other posts of the posters who are giving you advice (I'm speaking generally, not just this thread). This will help with a baseline on their opinions. I don't mean anything good, bad, or otherwise here, but this forum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread opaqueice
garym;603795 Wrote: You sorta need to read the forum for a while, or at least look at some of the other posts of the posters who are giving you advice (I'm speaking generally, not just this thread). This will help with a baseline on their opinions. I don't mean anything good, bad, or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-19 Thread Wilson Bilkovich
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:47 PM, opaqueice opaqueice.4numhz1295502...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: garym;603795 Wrote: You sorta need to read the forum for a while, or at least look at some of the other posts of the posters who are giving you advice (I'm speaking generally, not just