Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
Archimago wrote: > But I'm just not going to spend money shipping it to Canada if there's > no evidence at this point that it does anything better than what I've > accomplished for cheaper. Fair enough. You put a ton of time into your testing. These various "noise concerns" surrounding compute

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
Archimago wrote: > Interesting path. Wondering why you went back to the spinner from > Transporter 3 years ago? > > I got my first Squeezebox (SB3) around the time they were introduced > (2005) and have not looked back since! Still have a SACD player attached > but haven't turned the thing on fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Archimago
jkeny wrote: > Absolute bullshit that I already corrected you & Arny before. You either > purposely misrepresent what noise the Regen is addressing in the USB > signal or you just can't comprehend the technical aspects of it. > Whichever is the case, your continued pushing of this 8KHz noise as t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread jkeny
Archimago wrote: > Thanks for the note JH. No, I have not tested the UpTone but I have > demonstrated a way to reduce the packet noise in my system 'using the > Corning Optical USB Cable' > (http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2015/05/measurements-corning-usb-3-optical.html). > And then later evaluating

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread Archimago
jh901 wrote: > I ditched CD spinning altogether many years ago upon buying my first > Duet. Those were great times! I definitely credit Slimdevices for > rejuvenating my interest in this hobby. I upgraded to a Transporter at > some point and then began to take a serious interest in building a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Archimago
jh901 wrote: > Did you test the UpTone Audio USB Regen Amber? 'Swenson link' > (http://uptoneaudio.com/pages/j-swenson-tech-corner) <--- Thanks for the note JH. No, I have not tested the UpTone but I have demonstrated a way to reduce the packet noise in my system 'using the Corning Optical USB

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
Wombat wrote: > It is more like fastening the gas pedal with silver screws and claiming > the car got faster. It measures the same speed afterwards but the > measurement must be wrong because everyone can feel it... Well, at least you respect those whose experiences differ from yours. Clearly.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Wombat
Mnyb wrote: > But if I in a car forum claimed that my Corvette had 9 billion > horsepowers , I would probably be called upon that BS . > > In audio forums we are suposed to accept claims that are even more > unreasonable ? It is more like fastening the gas pedal with silver screws and claiming t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread rgro
ralphpnj wrote: > Note: there is a big difference between being famous and being infamous > :) I would have to say that Arny has, remarkably, achieved both! Rg System information Main: Vortexbox/Squeezelite > USB> Benchmark DAC2 D > LFD LE IV Signature amp > Revel Pe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread rgro
jh901 wrote: > Let us know when you ever become an internet legend. Don't hold your breath.. Rg System information Main: Vortexbox/Squeezelite > USB> Benchmark DAC2 D > LFD LE IV Signature amp > Revel Performa F208 speakers. Home Theatre: Touch (Wired) >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: > Let us know when you ever become an internet legend. Arnie's work since > the dawn of the Usenet and the web will be noted for decades and decades > after we are all long forgotten. Note: there is a big difference between being famous and being infamous :) Living Rm: Transport

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
rgro wrote: > Truly remarkable. Just when I think Arny's posts can't get any more > amazing, he outdoes himself. This is so far afield from cliveb's post > that it makes Wrong Way Corrigan look like Magellan. Let us know when you ever become an internet legend. Arnie's work since the dawn of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread rgro
arnyk wrote: > Pure deflection. I debunked it so now you want to distance yourself from > it. > > > > That's just as wrong, but since you've already dismissed the logical > arguments against it... > > > > Actually they often do give up, but since you are dismissing that proven > fact... >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
Archimago wrote: > All these things are supposed to make significant differences, right!? > Didn't you even claim to hear OS differences? All we get is -faith and > testimony- - and we have millions/billions of religious followers - > 1500+ for the Regen is peanuts... No different than a tiny cu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
Archimago wrote: > JH901. Have you not been running a computer music server all this time!? > Did you used to own a Squeezebox? > > Missing out man! It doesn't cost much to buy a simple quiet/silent > computer and storage these days and start the ripping/tagging process! > Invest in a good DAC a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: > JH901. Have you not been running a computer music server all this time!? > Did you used to own a Squeezebox? > > Missing out man! It doesn't cost much to buy a simple quiet/silent > computer and storage these days and start the ripping/tagging process! > Invest in a good DAC a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread Archimago
jh901 wrote: > Indeed. > > > > > > The hi-end "server" market continues to work itself out. For me, I want > most of what you suggest except that I want internal storage and a USB > output for use with a USB DAC. The wi-fi would only be used for tablet > functions. Seems that Aurender and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Archimago
arnyk wrote: > It also matters: "When" > > Snake oil audio cables entered the audio marketplace about the same time > as we developed the first ABX Comparator - late 1970s. > > The first such product that showed up on my personal radar was Polk > Cobra speaker wire: > > 18356 > > Another con

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Archimago
SBGK wrote: > It seems that the digital sq is improved by those working on the > margins, so upscale inc and jplay are important to those seeking an > improved sound. > > Still think you must be measuring the wrong things to arrive at some of > your findings. Will be interesting when you tell th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread arnyk
cliveb wrote: > What are you talking about? I only briefly mentioned the r.a.o news > group as an example of what can happen. It is not the centrepiece of my > argument. > Pure deflection. I debunked it so now you want to distance yourself from it. > > The actual centrepiece of my argument is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread Julf
jh901, Did you get my PM asking for an email address to forward to my contacts? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: > On the original topic, here are a few to look out for: > > totaldac > Empirical Audio > PS Audio (DirectStream) > Chord > Lampizator > Berkeley Audio > Rowland > APL Hi-fi > Bricasti > > There are several others too. Great times. Are these players (meaning disc players, origina

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: > The hi-end "server" market continues to work itself out. For me, I want > most of what you suggest except that I want internal storage and a USB > output for use with a USB DAC. The wi-fi would only be used for tablet > functions. Seems that Aurender and Antipodes have nice prod

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
On the original topic, here are a few to look out for: totaldac Empirical Audio PS Audio (DirectStream) Chord Lampizator Berkeley Audio Rowland APL Hi-fi Bricasti There are several others too. Great times. Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-07-08 Thread jh901
ralphpnj wrote: > > > First off - those are two truly excellent recordings by two true jazz > giants. > > Indeed. ralphpnj wrote: > > > As for audiophile servers perhaps there should be a discussion about > whether or not many of these so called servers are actually even servers > in t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread cliveb
arnyk wrote: > Evidence is indeed before our eyes. The forum that is the centerpiece of > your argument is a totally unmoderated Usenet forum that is wildly > off-topic and out of control 5-10 years after the last time I posted > there regularly. Your attempt to conflate it with this forum demoli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: > Yes ideally that would be good , unless you get engaged in the > mudwrestling after the fact :D > > In all other hobies ther are also overpriced gear cherished brandnames > and very subjective opinions , but they are usually closer to reality > and within reasoable fanboy behaviur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Julf
cliveb wrote: > The evidence is before our eyes. Since Arny joined this forum, the > crazies have got more and more vocal, and my hypothesis is that they > have done so precisely because Arny has engaged with them. That is one hypothesis, and you might be right, or you might not. Hard to tell wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: > But if I in a car forum claimed that my Corvette had 9 billion > horsepowers , I would probably be called upon that BS . Or that a magnet in the fuel line increases power by 60%. > In audio forums we are suposed to accept claims that are even more > unreasonable ? Yes, it is audi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Mnyb
cliveb wrote: > What I'm advocating is that the best way to deal with them is to > initially post a polite and reasoned explanation why they are wrong. > Other rational folk will read this and understand. Those who don't want > to understand will never come around, so further discourse is pointle

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread SlimChances
> ::'Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?' > (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103842-Is-anybody-sick-of-the-recent-spate-of-threads/page9):: Certainly sick of this one Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1433229915 @ Wed Jun 3 04:05:09 UTC 2015 Operating system: Deb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread arnyk
cliveb wrote: > What I'm advocating is that the best way to deal with them is to > initially post a polite and reasoned explanation why they are wrong. > Other rational folk will read this and understand. Those who don't want > to understand will never come around, so further discourse is pointle

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread arnyk
SBGK wrote: > Aren't estate sales mainly for the deceased, > One phrase "Estate Sale" is used to cover a number of different situations, including Divorce Sales, Moving Sales, Downsizing Sales, and of course those regrettable sales triggered by the demise of the surviving principle inhabitant

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread cliveb
Julf wrote: > So what you are advocating is to let those who cannot be reasoned with > have the last word (despite being patently wrong) just because they are > even more boneheaded? What I'm advocating is that the best way to deal with them is to initially post a polite and reasoned explanation

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread arnyk
Julf wrote: > So what you are advocating is to let those who cannot be reasoned with > have the last word (despite being patently wrong) just because they are > even more boneheaded? When people lock themselves into logic tight boxes, they are out of reach.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: > So what you are advocating is to let those who cannot be reasoned with > have the last word (despite being patently wrong) just because they are > even more boneheaded? Given that many audiophiles cannot be dissuaded from their beliefs perhaps this would be a better approach: When

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread arnyk
Archimago wrote: > Doesn't this depend on who and where you ask? Archimago wrote: > Doesn't this depend on who and where you ask? Do you think the market > has actually spoken in favour of high-end snake oil? > It also matters: "When" Snake oil audio cables entered the audio marketplace abo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: > Good question. I always assumed this was from the soundboard "feed" > (maybe with some on the fly mixing) that was being delivered to the > radio station for broadcast on FM radio. So this would be better than a > "post FM" recording, which would have been broadcast and then record

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread Julf
cliveb wrote: > But you're like a pit-bull who just won't let go. And by keeping the > argument going with people who cannot be reasoned with, you and your > opponents degrade the S/N ratio of a forum. So what you are advocating is to let those who cannot be reasoned with have the last word (des

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread SBGK
Archimago wrote: > Doesn't this depend on who and where you ask? Do you think the market > has actually spoken in favour of high-end snakeoil? > > Like Arny says, the actual penetration of the high end brands of cables > and whatnot isn't all that significant. More pedestrian, moderately > expen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread SBGK
arnyk wrote: > Let's not conflate commercial realities with technical truths. > > If you go to the drugstore, what percentage of whats on the shelves are > unique effective medical tools, what percentage are things that work or > kinda work but are reasonably safe and are repackaged 7,600 (more

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-07-08 Thread cliveb
arnyk wrote: > Just because name or names aren't mentioned doesn't keep a libelous post > from being a personal attack. Arny, in a formal sense it was indeed a personal attack - not on your knowledge, but on your attitude. A personal attack is reprehensible when used as an attempt to deflect from