Ben Diss;145961 Wrote:
Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter
connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable)
connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables.
- It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good
Ben Diss;146234 Wrote:
The Transporter/Dodson/Blue Circle combo was 99.4 compared to the
SB2/Lavry.
-Ben
I'll make a quick comment; personal preference plays a huge factor
here. IMHO, I had (have) a *strong* preference to the system using a
preamp over running directly to the amp.
Please, if anyone is actually considering investing in a power cable,
look at the actual commercial line filters at mouser.com. For example,
I use a schurter power entry line filter in my new amps, it has an LRC
filter to attenuate high frequencies. All the schurter filters have
frequency
Thanks guys I appreciate all those comments.
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jhm731- We didn't directly compare the DAC3 with the Transporter,
however we did compare the DAC3 with the Lavry. It wasn't exhaustive,
just a quick comparison since we had both units in the same room. I
can tell you that I would choose the Lavry over the DAC3, but without a
more thorough
One thing Phil did in our demo session was to introduce me to Snake Oil
priced power cables. I have always been a sceptic that anything beyond
a shielded cable of the proper gauge was a waste. I also believe in the
placebo effect, so I almost don't even trust my own observation on this,
but
Ben Diss;146234 Wrote:
jhm731- We didn't directly compare the DAC3 with the Transporter,
however we did compare the DAC3 with the Lavry. It wasn't exhaustive,
just a quick comparison since we had both units in the same room. I
can tell you that I would choose the Lavry over the DAC3, but
Like I said, I should hope the Gold was more resolving. Eight or nine
times the cost. Yep, it had better be something special. I find it
out that you consider the Lavry smearing, though. Audio
professionals and even high-profile reviewers I know consider it state
of the art and perfectly
Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter
connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable)
connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables.
- It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good
environment and a very
Sounds good... Assuming close qulaity levels, my major concern is
versatility. Paying less for Lavry combo, I can reuse Lavry if for some
reason SB goes out of use. The best thing about Lavry is not just how it
sounds, but rather how it behaves in less then ideal conditions, with
different
Excellent and level-headed review. Thanks, Ben. This is one of the
smartest bits of audio reviewing I've read in this or almost any
forum.
Ben Diss;145961 Wrote:
Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter
connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry
These are good points. There has always been an argument for separates
in audio for just this reason. In the high end, it is almost taken for
granted, for instance, that we separate line states and amplifiers.
With a SB3 and Lavry you do have the advantage of being able to handle
more or
highdudgeon;146040 Wrote:
These are good points. There has always been an argument for separates
in audio for just this reason. In the high end, it is almost taken for
granted, for instance, that we separate line states and amplifiers.
With a SB3 and Lavry you do have the advantage of
Ben,
What about your thought on these setup as mentioned by Phil?
1: Using the Blue Circle BC3000mkII preamp, we listened to:
-Transporter - Dodson DA-218 DAC
-SB2 (w/Elpac) - Dodson DA-218 DAC
-Oracle CD1000 - Dodson DA-218 DAC
Rgds
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I think the correct way to evaluate products is to compare them in their
approximate price ranges.
I don't know how can we really compare SB3 DAC vs. highly sophisticated
Lavry. Transporter seems to be better match.
I also don't know if I would compare Lavry to some no-compromise
products
Why to compare the value for money? There are many products out
there that are very expensive with no better design or parts than low
to mid range products. Many products live on reputations gained many
years ago and they do not live up to that reputation.
Granted you are not comparing
dlite;145598 Wrote:
Why to compare the value for money? There are many products out
there that are very expensive with no better design or parts than low
to mid range products. Many products live on reputations gained many
years ago and they do not live up to that reputation.
Granted
325xi;145599 Wrote:
Because any such comparison is highly subjective.
But isn't that the point?
I think it's a valid question. If a listening test based around a
high-resolution system found little or no difference between, say, a
modded SB3 and a full dcS setup, then the value of the dcS
325xi;145599 Wrote:
Because any such comparison is highly subjective. Some sound may appeal
to your taste but not to be really better. So we want to keep as much
as possible potentially influencing factors out of the picture.
If you compare Toyota to Ferrari and prefer Toyota because of
325xi;145599 Wrote:
Because any such comparison is highly subjective. Some sound may appeal
to your taste but not to be really better. So we want to keep as much
as possible potentially influencing factors out of the picture.
Like price, you mean?
You've made a series of arguments for
his has been discussed to death, but allow me to repeat a few points:
1. It is a professional audio product. It is NOT an audiophile
product. That is the say, the primary market for the device is the
professional recording community and not the audiophile community. The
Lavry DA10 is a
highdudgeon;145672 Wrote:
Hopefully Phil will have more that one person over, hopefully they can
do some blind testing, etc. This stuff is, in the end, subjective --
remember, subjective doesn't mean that something is better in an
absolute sense, it just means you you LIKE it more; it is
highdudgeon;145761 Wrote:
Those are all very good cables (my ranting aside, I do own a set of
Audience AU24s and I have had numerous expensive cables before coming
to my senses.
1. I trust your honesty and integrity. Even though it won't be
scientific, I'm sure you will be fair. It's
Ok, so Ben just left after about 2 hours of comparisons. I'll outline
what we listened to, then let Ben make the first comments about what we
heard.
We did two sets of comparisons:
1: Using the Blue Circle BC3000mkII preamp, we listened to:
-Transporter - Dodson DA-218 DAC
-SB2 (w/Elpac) -
The Lavry DA10 will sound a bit soft in many systems and is a house
sound. Having owned both that and a Lavry Blue I wouldn't consider them
very similar except for that house sound. And to suggest the DA10 comes
close to the Lavry Gold is not remotely like my experience of them -
more like
I've had a Lavry Blue and now own a DA10 -- I have had experience with
both products for quite some time. I've not only heard the DA10
compared favorably with the Gold, but I've heard both in the same
system. Of course it was different. For $8,000 more, it had better be
different. But, it was
Jenks;145838 Wrote:
The Lavry DA10 will sound a bit soft in many systems and is a house
sound. Having owned both that and a Lavry Blue I wouldn't consider them
very similar except for that house sound. And to suggest the DA10 comes
close to the Lavry Gold is not remotely like my experience
I sell the Lavry and Slim Devices products, normally run the Lavry off
the stock Squeezebox 3's digital outputs. The Lavry DA10 overall is a
superior DAC, but the Squeezebox 3 does have a bit more of that im
there feeling although lacking in detail and clarity against the
Lavry.
As for the
Alas, no. I have a Transporter on order -- it's a couple weeks out. I
have a stock SB3 and a Lavry DA10. The differences more mostly subtle,
I think, but imaging is somewhat improved. The Transporter is simply
more attractive: one box, great aesthetics, increased functionality,
and the sound
highdudgeon;144188 Wrote:
Alas, no. I have a Transporter on order -- it's a couple weeks out. I
have a stock SB3 and a Lavry DA10. The differences more mostly subtle,
I think, but imaging is somewhat improved. The Transporter is simply
more attractive: one box, great aesthetics,
PhilNYC;143717 Wrote:
This question seems to pop up a lot. I'm really curious about this
Lavry DAC. Anyone in the NY/Northern NJ area have one who can come by
and bring it? I've got a Transporter and would love to do a
comparison...
hope you beat the rest of us to a review...my
Phil- I've been neglectful of my email lately, sorry. What's this
coming week look like for you? Maybe Wed or Thurs evening?
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Ben Diss;144216 Wrote:
Phil- I've been neglectful of my email lately, sorry. What's this
coming week look like for you? Maybe Wed or Thurs evening?
Hey Ben! Thursday evening works well for me...let's plan something...
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PhilNYC
Sonic Spirits Inc.
http://www.sonicspirits.com
This question seems to pop up a lot. I'm really curious about this
Lavry DAC. Anyone in the NY/Northern NJ area have one who can come by
and bring it? I've got a Transporter and would love to do a
comparison...
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PhilNYC
Sonic Spirits Inc.
http://www.sonicspirits.com
Here's a DAC Showdown: AQVOX USB 2 D/A vs. Benchmark DAC1 vs. Lavry
Black DA10 from Head-Fi.
http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161032highlight=lavry+benchmark
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