opaqueice;240792 Wrote:
As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in more or less direct
competition with the Transporter, and involves a modification to the SB
which voids the warranty. Discussing it on these forums could raise a
number of red flags.
If I were you I'd be grateful
opaqueice;240792 Wrote:
As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in more or less direct
competition with the Transporter, and involves a modification to the SB
which voids the warranty. Discussing it on these forums could raise a
number of red flags.
If I were you I'd be grateful
Vic;240913 Wrote:
Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all?
They rarely intervene, as it's not normally needed. Now that you've
arrived that may change.
How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every
single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated
I am not interested in policing what topics people discuss here, but I
do ask that you keep it civilized. This thread is now closed.
--
seanadams
seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3
View
Listener;240927 Wrote:
You are the one delivering insults. complete idiots,madman rants?
You haven't made a convincing argument yet.
Yes, I am now, after those two have aggressed and insulted everyone in
this thread. They actually jumped in just for insulting, not
contributing at all
Vic;240913 Wrote:
Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all?
How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every
single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated with the topic,
insult everyone and prevent any sort of discussion?
I have noticed that this
Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all?
How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every
single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated with the topic,
insult everyone and prevent any sort of discussion?
I have noticed that this forum hardly has more than
Vic;240393 Wrote:
More seriously (sort of).
Apparently I seem to understand that a good majority of members of this
forum state (with apparently humour, but please next time put an H
next to the funny bits so that I know when to laugh) that all hi-fi
related stuff is a rip off and that
darrenyeats;240583 Wrote:
More seriously, I don't think I would put it that way.
The SB3 and Transporter measure well. Their measured performance is
excellent at their respective price points. In fact the Transporter
measures incredibly well full stop.
Having said that, I recall Sean
Vic;240594 Wrote:
First post somehow related to the thread topic, but around here that
does not seem to be a major concern.
So apparently the choice between the SB, SB+ and Transporter is a toss
of a coin. Actually, assuming that I don't need a remote control and
that my PC is in the same
I'm not sure anyone's ever suggested that all sources sound the same.
What I will suggest, however, is that: All -digital- sources, provided
they don't deliberately process the samples from the disc before
delivering them to the SPDIF port, should sound the same when fed into
a jitter-proof
AndyC_772;240598 Wrote:
What I will suggest, however, is that: All -digital- sources, provided
they don't deliberately process the samples from the disc before
delivering them to the SPDIF port, should sound the same when fed into
a jitter-proof reclocking DAC.
Hum..
lets just
zanash;240614 Wrote:
I have no explaination for this other than the more expensive of the
items sounds better than the cheaper ones. This may imply that there
have been design short cuts ?
Do the expensive items sound more alike than the cheaper items?
Darren
--
darrenyeats
SB3 /
Zanash: what DAC are you using?
--
AndyC_772
AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815
AndyC_772;240598 Wrote:
What I will suggest, however, is that: All -digital- sources, provided
they don't deliberately process the samples from the disc before
delivering them to the SPDIF port, should sound the same when fed into
a jitter-proof reclocking DAC.
This assumes that
darrenyeats;240617 Wrote:
Do the expensive items sound more alike than the cheaper items?
Darren
Not IME. I have found that a lot of mid priced Dacs sound very similar:
Lavry DA10 (I own one), Benchmark, Apogee and they also sound very close
to some SS CDP of the same price range.
Going up
BTW guys thanks a lot for this most helpful thread.
I came here with a dilemma about buying a SB3 or a SB+ and now I have
crystal clear ideas about what I am going to buy: a souncard.
One of the main reasons I intended to go for SB was the existence of a
dedicated forum for support and exchange
Vic;240673 Wrote:
The idea of venturing in this forum again...
Not for the thin skinned that's for sure.
Vic;240673 Wrote:
...good soundcard
Oxymoronic.
Go for the SB+.
.
--
haunyack
Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room)
SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070
Vic;240673 Wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a good soundcard with optical and coaxial
output?
Soundcards introduce a bunch of new problems but a good start is an
external USB one with it own driver. The MAudio Audiophile 2496 USB is
a reasonably priced one and is well rated. Often people
Jitterbug;240684 Wrote:
Soundcards introduce a bunch of new problems but a good start is an
external USB one with it own driver. The MAudio Audiophile 2496 USB is
a reasonably priced one and is well rated. Often people prefer optical
over coax from soundcards to isolate from PC noise.
Vic;240687 Wrote:
The thing is I don't have a USB device, but I rather have a Monarchy DIP
which accepts Optical and coaxial input. Would the Audiophile 2496
internal card be as good.
Not sure I understand. You're talking about hooking a card up to a PC
right? Use USB on the PC side, use
Vic;240673 Wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a good soundcard with optical and coaxial
output?
This is even more the wrong forum to ask about that than to ask about
the SB+. You can find plenty of PC audio fora on the web where you can
get advice, assuming that's actually what you want.
Good
Jitterbug;240690 Wrote:
Not sure I understand. You're talking about hooking a card up to a PC
right? Use USB on the PC side, use the soundcards coax or optical then
to the Monarchy DIP. Generally people prefer USB cards for this purpose
because they are out of the PC and away from it's noise
haunyack;240681 Wrote:
Go for the SB+..
That was my original idea when I register to this forum. But I would
rather go without music instead of facing again a few morons that seem
to jump in every single thread in this forum
haunyack;240681 Wrote:
Oxymoronic
Which in English is?
--
Vic
Vic;240687 Wrote:
Have you had better results with SB compared to soundcards?
Hiya
Yes...
I was using the M-audio USB Audiophile, USB from the laptop to the
card, coax out, it uses a separate psu (not usb powered).
Using the coax out form the SB just sounded better, it was a good while
ago I
opaqueice;240697 Wrote:
This is even more the wrong forum to ask about that than to ask about
the SB+.
AFAIK this is Slim Devices/Logitech's forum, and they have never had a
problem with people discussing third party products and additions, let
alone one for which they sell -at least- one SB3
totoro;240490 Wrote:
Let's see: you managed to combine the continuation of a straw man
argument, a retard joke, and a reference to Nazis all in one post, all
while being protected by the cover of a lame attempy at irony.
Nice trolling.
I'm not sure I saw any irony in it, but maybe that's
adamslim;240738 Wrote:
I'm not sure I saw any irony in it, but maybe that's an across-the-pond
definition issue - the only irony I see is me being called a troll when
I have been one of very few who are helpful to the original poster in
this thread. Clearly not the done thing on this forum!
Patrick Dixon;240733 Wrote:
AFAIK this is Slim Devices/Logitech's forum, and they have never had a
problem with people discussing third party products and additions, let
alone one for which they sell -at least- one SB3 for everyone sold!
As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in
tomjtx;240232 Wrote:
Some people might be unteachable.
First you in a most arrogant way say that one is a fool , and then
when that person gets upset you say we just dont have a sence of
humor.
Being arrogant and provocative is not humor thats being arrogant and
provocative and that is
Hey guys, please cool it. This thread started out as a genuine
discussion on the relative merits of different kit, which I think is
what this forum is for. Around about page 2, someone injected some
humour which someone else didn't get and we seem to have spun off into
another of those threads
ceejay;240272 Wrote:
Hey guys, please cool it. This thread started out as a genuine
discussion on the relative merits of different kit, which I think is
what this forum is for. Around about page 2, someone injected some
humour which someone else didn't get and we seem to have spun off into
honestguv;240282 Wrote:
Unless you want this forum to be steadily overrun by the irrational I
would suggest that teasing within limits is the appropriate response.
Audiophiles have not become audiophiles by following a path of reason
and they will not be shifted from their beliefs by
darrenyeats;240285 Wrote:
Although I am on the rational side of the argument, as you put it, I
perceive your comments as more provocative than informative. Maybe you
didn't intend that - but that's how I read it.
They were not intended to be provocative, I was simply disagreeing with
ceejay
darrenyeats;240285 Wrote:
As a card-carrying subjectivist for many years may I make a few
comments.
Interesting comment.
I think just about all of us started off as subjectivists. After
all, when you're new to something, you naturally trust the expertise
of those more heavily involved.
honestguv;240292 Wrote:
They were not intended to be provocative, I was simply disagreeing with
ceejay and, hopefully, explaining clearly why. Since your reply does
not address the point I was trying to make I may well have failed in
this.
The comments were of course addressed to the
Robin Bowes;240213 Wrote:
this is not a SB+ support forum.
Sorry, did not know it was not allowed to talk about the SB+, someone
could have told it immediately (or perhaps posts it in the forum
rules)and save a lot of time and meeting extremely bizzarre
individuals.
I still have not idea what
ceejay;240302 Wrote:
Well, I'd be very sad indeed if we couldn't use a bit of humour and that
can include a bit of teasing, as you put it. But every now and again
this does spin off threads - like part of this one, up to the point of
my previous post - which get just nasty, which I don't
Robin Bowes;240337 Wrote:
http://www.goenglish.com/2005.asp
Thanks, that is really a great link.
When in Rome...
--
Vic
Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795
View this thread:
harmonic;240257 Wrote:
First you in a most arrogant way say that one is a fool , and then when
that person gets upset you say we just dont have a sence of humor.
Being arrogant and provocative is not humor thats being arrogant and
provocative and that is what you are.
I have called no
tomjtx;240346 Wrote:
I have called no one a fool and I have accused no one of being
arrogant.
You , harmonic , are the one who is being rude here, not I.
Light hearted humor is just that. Perhaps you should take a humor class
with Vic.
If you guys sign up together I will give a group
It's a superb lesson in human nature, and it's much more broad than just
audiophilia. The capacity for self-delusion - most importantly your own
- can never be underestimated.
darren and opaquiece both great posts and sums up my experience as well
I started out as a subjectivist and am now a
tomjtx;240351 Wrote:
I started out as a subjectivist and am now a skeptical subjectivist.
Is that a political revolutionary movement or a religious/philosophical
one?
--
Vic
Vic's Profile:
Vic;240354 Wrote:
Is that a political revolutionary movement or a religious/philosophical
one?
It's a protect my wallet movement.
--
tomjtx
tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449
View
tomjtx;240353 Wrote:
You obviously no longer need one :-)
So do I get a job?
Acting has always been one of my secret dreams
--
Vic
Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795
View this thread:
tomjtx wrote:
Vic;240350 Wrote:
OK, now I finally got what this place is about. You are a bunch of
comedians looking to get some extra cash when not involved in movies or
comedy.
That is why every post is so incredibly funny!
How much so for a group class?
You obviously no longer need
tomjtx;240351 Wrote:
I started out as a subjectivist and am now a skeptical subjectivist.
Splitter! I thought you were in the subjective skeptics with me!
Where's the objectional objectivist then?
points to OpaqueiceHe's over there
Adam ;)
--
adamslim
Those are my principles, and if
More seriously (sort of).
Apparently I seem to understand that a good majority of members of this
forum state (with apparently humour, but please next time put an H
next to the funny bits so that I know when to laugh) that all hi-fi
related stuff is a rip off and that everything sounds the same.
Vic;240393 Wrote:
a good majority
A vocal minority, I think. [/taste]Don't argue with them - as the
saying goes, arguing on the internet is like the paralympics - you can
win, but you're still retarded...
Isn't it about time we started calling someone a Nazi? :)
Adam
--
adamslim
Those
Vic;240393 Wrote:
Am I correct then in assuming that I should better sell all my hi-fi
gear and buy an alarm clock with a FM radio built in? I have just seen
a nice looking one for about £20.
Yes (H).
.
--
opaqueice
Suddenly all _H_armonic's posts make sense!
H
HHH
H
:-)
--
darrenyeats
SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1
Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system
darrenyeats's Profile:
opaqueice;240408 Wrote:
Yes (H).
.
Thanks Opaqueice, you are a true genius.
And should be with over 1,000 posts repeting the same thing
--
Vic
Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795
Vic;239700 Wrote:
Wow! that's magic
Not magic...just plain old networking!...rather like this Internet
thing we ae using...
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv
adamslim;240405 Wrote:
...
Isn't it about time we started calling someone a Nazi? :)
Adam
err...let's be clear about this.
To call any member a Nazi is untenable, no matter what the
motivation.
Audio-Nazi is the permutation to use...for those with tender
sensibilties...A.N.
Zum Wohl!
.
adamslim;240405 Wrote:
A vocal minority, I think. [/taste]Don't argue with them - as the
saying goes, arguing on the internet is like the paralympics - you can
win, but you're still retarded...
Isn't it about time we started calling someone a Nazi? :)
Adam
Let's see: you managed to
haunyack;240488 Wrote:
To call any member a Nazi is untenable, no matter what the
motivation.
Audio-Nazi is the permutation to use...for those with tender
sensibilties...A.N.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
--
snarlydwarf
I think we should all have a big group hug and make nice (H)
--
tomjtx
tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815
tomjtx;239949 Wrote:
One of those interventions was from the founder of SD and designer of
the SB and TP.
And your point is?
tomjtx;239949 Wrote:
It was a humorous observation on the foibles of some audiofools.
Sorry but did not see anything even remotely humorous.
Do you give classes of
Vic wrote:
tomjtx;239949 Wrote:
One of those interventions was from the founder of SD and designer of
the SB and TP.
And your point is?
tomjtx;239949 Wrote:
It was a humorous observation on the foibles of some audiofools.
Sorry but did not see anything even remotely humorous.
Do you
Vic;240133 Wrote:
And your point is?
Sorry but did not see anything even remotely humorous.
Do you give classes of humour?
Some people might be unteachable.
--
tomjtx
tomjtx's Profile:
seanadams;239709 Wrote:
You must not have a very revealing system.
Yeah, you're right. I need to upgrade.
A truly high-end system will clearly reveal which of its owner's body
parts was used to load the CD (you're REALLY missing out if you're
using your hands for that!). The difference is
opaqueice;239819 Wrote:
Yeah, you're right. I need to upgrade.
A truly high-end system will clearly reveal which of its owner's body
parts was used to load the CD (you're REALLY missing out if you're
using your hands for that!). The difference is day and night - a veil
is lifted,
Vic;239841 Wrote:
Sorry dude,
are you contributing in any way to this thread or just looking for
attention?
Last time I checked this was a -discussion- forum.
In fact last time I checked it was a discussion forum hosted by Slim
Devices/Logitech. You're asking for information on a product
opaqueice;239844 Wrote:
Last time I checked this was a -discussion- forum.
In fact last time I checked it was a discussion forum hosted by Slim
Devices/Logitech. You're asking for information on a product which is
in more or less direct competition with the Transporter. If I were you
Vic;239871 Wrote:
Sorry, I simply don't understand the point of your three posts.
Maybe you are trying to say that the SB3, Transporter and SB+ sound the
same, or should sound the same on theoretical ground.
Have you tried those product? Could you give any background on your
system?
Vic;239871 Wrote:
Maybe you are trying to say that the SB3, Transporter and SB+ sound the
same, or should sound the same on theoretical ground.
Have you tried those product? Could you give any background on your
system?
LOL so not the question(s) to ask Opaqueice :D
--
adamslim
Those
Vic;239871 Wrote:
Sorry, I simply don't understand the point of your three posts.
The first one pointed out that wired and wireless sound the same going
into an SB, the second was a joke (you can find that word in a
dictionary if it's unfamiliar to you) in response to Sean's post, and
the
Vic wrote:
Wow! this is the first time I see a troll with an deputy troll
You haven't hung arround here much, eh?
We've got the 'swedish' tag team trolls, and more.
--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/
___
audiophiles mailing list
Vic;239689 Wrote:
I am really getting interested in this one. Just a couple of more
question (including a stupid one):
- what kind of inputs does it have? (I suppose just the one for the
network, right?)
- what outputs for the complete version and for the digital version?
- Is it
Adam,
thanks for bringing the thread back on track after those most bizarre
interventions from outer space
--
Vic
Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795
View this thread:
I'm never quite sure how far AB demos get you: it's easy to get hung-up
on listening for differences and I also think there's a natural bias
towards the sound/presentation you're familiar with. You can eliminate
the obvious, but IMO, you need to live with something for a couple of
weeks or
ncpl;239642 Wrote:
When you're dealing with choices of kit that all sound excellent in
isolation it is perhaps an exaggeration to say that one sounds
mushy/grainy/lacking in timing/etc/etc compared to the other when in
fact they are all very very good. IMHO adjusting to difference in
sound
yes to the last question...and wireless vs. wired sound identical (at
least they do in a standard SB)
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very
I am really getting interested in this one. Just a couple of more
question (including a stupid one):
- what kind of inputs does it have? (I suppose just the one for the
network, right?)
- what outputs for the complete version and for the digital version?
- Is it technically better to used it
Phil Leigh;239696 Wrote:
yes to the last question...and wireless vs. wired sound identical (at
least they do in a standard SB)
Wow! that's magic
--
Vic
Vic's Profile:
opaqueice;239707 Wrote:
A CD player sounds the same regardless of whether you carried the disk
and loaded it in the tray using your left hand or your right.
You must not have a very revealing system.
--
seanadams
Vic;239700 Wrote:
Wow! that's magic
No it's not.
A CD player sounds the same regardless of whether you carried the disk
and loaded it in the tray using your left hand or your right.
It makes no difference what kind of network carries the data to the SB.
The data is identical and once it
seanadams;239709 Wrote:
You must not have a very revealing system.
You secretly love feeding them don't you :)
--
m1abrams
m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850
View this thread:
opaqueice;239707 Wrote:
No it's not.
A CD player sounds the same regardless of whether you carried the disk
and loaded it in the tray using your left hand or your right.
It makes no difference what kind of network carries the data to the SB.
The data is identical and once it gets
Thanks for the very interesting links Adam. Although the different
impressions by users seem to differ somehow.
If you sold the Shanling it makes quite a strong point for the SB+.
I was hoping Patrick would chime in this thread.
I am a bit worried about the size of the SB+, but don't have the
Each box is about 320mm x 210mm x 90mm, and the power interconnect
between the two is about 1.2m long.
I guess you are from the 'rack first' school? ;-)
--
Patrick Dixon
www.at-tunes.co.uk
Patrick Dixon's Profile:
Patrick Dixon;239498 Wrote:
There are benefits to integrating the DAC with the Player and
eliminating the S/PDIF interface completely. I prefer to use the SB+
this way, but YMMV.
Each box is about 320mm x 210mm x 90mm, and the power interconnect
between the two is about 1.2m long.
I
I haven't heard an Opus 21, but IIRC that's what JTC on pfm replaced
with his SB+. He seems pretty happy with the SB+.
I've heard the Densen 400XS against the SB+ and I think they're in the
same ball-park although slightly different. IMO the Densen is a very
good CDP and I think it cost about
This is my first post, so hi to everyone.
I am very interested in the SB+, but could not find many info about
it.
I did a search in this forum and only found a couple of quite old
threads. Also the website does not give basic info like price,
dimensions, inputs/outputs.
AFAIU the price is around
Ray70;239200 Wrote:
Hi Vic, it's Ray70 from Wigwam!
As you probably already know, I've got the SB+ and I think it's the
dog's nuts. Far better than the more expensive Transporter, which I
also own.
If I were you though, I wouldn't go for the SB+ straight away. Get the
stock SB3
Good Luck - and prepare to be surprised!
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very expensive cables ;o)
This weekend I had a comparison of my SB+ (digital only version) into my
Bel Canto DAC2 vs a Denson (400?) CDP.
Despite the fact that my SB+ was sat on Stillpoints and using better
power and interconnect cables, both myself and the owner of the Denson
preferred the sound of the Denson. On some
Yes, I have read your thread with interest, thanks to the link given
above by Adamslim.
I agree with your points, although I wonder how the full analogic SB+
would have compared.
You also say that the DEQ2496 produces some hormful artefacts in your
rig. Could you develop?Mr_Sukebe;239323 Wrote:
Vic;239335 Wrote:
Yes, I have read your thread with interest, thanks to the link given
above by Adamslim.
I agree with your points, although I wonder how the full analogic SB+
would have compared.
You also say that the DEQ2496 produces some hormful artefacts in your
rig. Could you develop?
89 matches
Mail list logo
