Re: Grandbaby!

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:17:34 -0800, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After an enjoyable late evening Friday with David Brin, David Land and a > few others who aren't on the list, I got up Saturday morning and > headed to Modesto, where my wife already was, to help get things ready > for he

Scouted: 97,000 'Extra' Votes in One Ohio County

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Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

Sorry about the time lapse in the thread, but I had to seriously cool off before I did something rash. Nick Arnett wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: [Various complaints snipped.] From the e-mail that *everyone* receives when they subscribe: "Your first messages will be moderated. If you d

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

Sonja said: > Shees indeed. I'm still wondering what all this gall's got to do > with MY complaint. I'm my own person and I think I've earned my > stripes on this list for being an earnest, concerned and carefull > poster. Thus this, your behaviour towards _me_ is totally > unwarrented and complet

Scouted: Exit Polls Vs. 'real count' Graph

<> None dare call it a conspiracy. -- I Pledge Impertinence to the Flag-Waving of the Unindicted Co-Conspirators of America and to the Republicans for which I can't stand one Abomination, Underhanded Fraud Indefensible with Liberty and Justice F

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

- Original Message - From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:45 AM Subject: Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o( > Sonja said: > > > Shees indeed. I'm still wondering what all this gall's go

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

At 10:36 PM 11/8/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >> We're looking at that issue right now, actually. Two >> complementary initial guesses, but they're both just >> that. Exit polls tend to be taken in >> higher-population districts. > >Well how stupid is that? Why in the hell would they bias th

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well how stupid is that? Why in the hell would they > bias their polls in > such a way as to make them useless? Do they only > take regular polls in > higher-population districts? That makes no sense at > all to me. > > -- > Doug Not very, act

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sonja said: Shees indeed. I'm still wondering what all this gall's got to do with MY complaint. I'm my own person and I think I've earned my stripes on this list for being an earnest, concerned and carefull poster. Thus this, your behaviour towards _me_ is totally unwarr

decision

I've finally decided to quit this list. It's been long years of fun, and some years of somewhat less fun. Unfortunatly I just realised that lately it's been no fun at all. I guess it is now time to leave for greener pastures. I wish you all well. Sonja ROU: I've simply had enough, Nick wins. __

Re: Grandbaby!

Nick Arnett wrote: > > After an enjoyable late evening Friday with David Brin, David Land > and a few others who aren't on the list, I got up Saturday morning > and headed to Modesto, where my wife already was, to help get things > ready for her baby (our fourth grand-child), > So, your gra

Military readiness [was: Re: B!in: Purple America]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote ... Europe will, to some extent, have closed the [military] gap with where the US is _today_ by 2015. When you talk about the `gap' * do you mean the gap in fighting a symmetrical battle or * do you mean the gap in running an occupati

Fallujah question

On 8 Nov 2004, at http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/ John Robb describes Fallujah as a ... temporary autonomous zone that is being used by global guerrillas for regional operations. It isn't a central hub of the insurgency, because there isn't any central hub. The insurgency

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > In Sonja's case, well she and anyone > who has an .nl address suffers fallout from one certain persons bad > behavior and frequent efforts to break into the list. > If I were a .nler and I wanted to break into the list to cause trouble, I would _never_ use a .nl addr

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

Again, "So far as I know, exit poll results were not released by precincts." Heck, so far as I know, exit poll results were not released by county. Thus, it is very difficult to correlate exit polls to actual results. But not impossible. This means that for a region for which yo

Re: Grandbaby!

Alberto Monteiro wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: After an enjoyable late evening Friday with David Brin, David Land and a few others who aren't on the list, I got up Saturday morning and headed to Modesto, where my wife already was, to help get things ready for her baby (our fourth grand-child), S

Re: Grandbaby!

On 9 Nov 2004, at 2:14 pm, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: After an enjoyable late evening Friday with David Brin, David Land and a few others who aren't on the list, I got up Saturday morning and headed to Modesto, where my wife already was, to help get things ready for her baby (our

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

Richard Baker wrote: I don't recall Sonja ever saying anything that might justify her messages being moderated for any reason other than having subscribed a new address. Her *address* was moderated briefly because, as she mentioned in her next message, the list suddenly started receiving spam wit

RE: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

> Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro > > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > In Sonja's case, well she and anyone > > who has an .nl address suffers fallout from one certain persons bad > > behavior and frequent efforts to break into the list. > > > If I were a .nler and I wanted to break into the list to

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

- Original Message - From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o( >Alberto has a point. I've suffered from the paranoia that anyone >from that p

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

On Nov 9, 2004, at 7:32 AM, Horn, John wrote: Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro If I were a .nler and I wanted to break into the list to cause trouble, I would _never_ use a .nl address. There are so many other free emailiers, like yahoo, hotmail, etc. Alberto has a point. I've suffered from the paranoia

Re: Fallujah question

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:20:04 + (UTC), Robert J. Chassell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As Gautam says, `The Iraqi insurgents may be in the process of making > a similar mistake [to the VC] in Fallujah.' Robb is arguing that they > are not, but instead they (or most of them) have `melted away'

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

Nick said: > We have never "covertly moderated" anyone on this list, nor do I > plan to do so. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Purple America

Gautam said: > Hi Rich. It's an interesting argument - I think I've > talked about it with you briefly. I just want to > point out, though, that I think you've stacked the > deck a little bit. Yes, you did talk to me about it briefly, and I appreciate your comments both then and now. I don't t

Re: Brin: Purple America

- Original Message - From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Purple America > > This also is true. The important thing, though, is not the gap between > the US and EU militaries

Re: Bush II

On Nov 6, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Dan Minette wrote: I'll fully agree with you on one point: our different opinions concerning Bush will be subject to experimental verificationso I can see your reluctance to spend time on speculation. Gosh, you both sound like guys whose lives aren't on the line, w

Re: The Burden of Bad Ideas

On Nov 8, 2004, at 8:50 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: So, apropos of our recent discussion, John Perry Barlow, a very smart guy, just cited the "100,000 dead Iraqi" casualty figure as if it were true. Apparently no one has shown him the falsification yet. Or maybe they have. This type of behavior does

Re: It seems over...

On Nov 6, 2004, at 5:07 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: Hmmm. I think Gautam was being a little lazy and relying too much on his memory. Which, when demanding statistics, is rhetorically unwise. But I think that your comments, Warren, have often been incoherent. Are you relying on memory too, now, Erik? --

Re: It seems over...

On Nov 6, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Warren - the reason I tend to rely on my memory for postings on list is because I do this for a living. I get paid exceedingly tiny sums of money to think about politics, and that involves an awful lot of time spent burrowing through historical arc

Re: Talking about the Incredibles

The best part of The Incredibles has to be the graphics (Pixar seems to have taken a gamble- instead of simply pursuing greater realism, they have subordinated it to style. And it works.), and some of the supporting superheroes- I thought the best part was the enumeration of heros done in by their

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

So Dr. Brin, I was reading Kiln People your new novel. Rather good, although towards the end seemed you'd tossed too many balls in the air. And what is it with you and endings involving some sort of Transcendance? That makes ~three now (not that I'm counting). But my question really is that early

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

In a message dated 11/9/2004 2:51:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what is it with you and endings involving some sort of Transcendance? That makes ~three now (not that I'm counting). Oh please. Count them. Heaven's Reach and Creideiki. I know that's one of them.

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

Dang it's a good thing I like snippy-bright people. Most would have flushed your note, ignoring the underlying friendliness. In fact, KP kind of mocks "transcendance", as you well note. It acknowledges that it may happen, but (as in my other books) I also say the "life will go on". I just retur

THE INCREDIBLES and Dr. Brin's Salon Essays (SPOILERS)

Some spoilerspace for discussion of THE INCREDIBLES: > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:20:47 -0600 > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So, what did you see that reminded you of Brin's essays? Okay. Two primary scenes, one secondary. Essays in mind are the Salon essays

Brin: The Know Nothings

I'm still wading out from under piles of distractions (ten speeches in two months!) hoping to get around to that longer post-election essay in which I'll offer a few suggestions how to deal with this new world we find ourselves in. Meanwhile, there's this. My initial reactions to the e

Brin: the new know nothings

See the following correlation between average IQ in red vs blue states. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm Note while looking at this chart that Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon and Florida were all "close". Bearing that in mind, the correlation is simply stunning. It starkly explains

Brin: the new know nothings

- Original Message - From: "d.brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: Brin: the new know nothings > > See the following correlation between average IQ in red vs blue > states. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm > > Note while

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

Please tell me this is a silly joke, David. The chart said they couldn't source the numbers. I was able to source SAT scores. I found that Alaska, for example, had more people take the test than California, yet had significantly higher test scores. Not to mention that according to the table mor

Re: Brin: The Know Nothings

At 04:29 PM 11/9/2004 -0800 d.brin wrote: >-- >Some of you recall I used a metaphor - "the Union has been conquered >by the Confederacy". Some ridiculed this, pointing to the Plains and >Mountain states, forgetting that those areas DID allow slavery >before the Civil War. >http://img.p

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to mention that according to the table more than > half the US is below > average intelligence (figuring 100 to be the average> median in the range of > intelligence). Um... the states on the bottom half have lower populations, therefore, natur

Re: Brin: The Know Nothings

> Oh, I get it, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, > Nebraska, Montana, and > Colorado vote for Republicans for President because > of *legalized*slavery* > during the Civil War? To this day, the continent of Europe is divided into those countries that have bourgeois mayorial systems of local

Re: Brin: Fact Check

At 04:29 PM 11/9/2004 -0800 d.brin wrote: > EDUCATIONBush.vs 2000 > No High School (4%)..49%..+10 > H.S. Graduate (22%)..52%...+3 > Some College (32%)...54%..+3 > College Graduate (26%)..52%.+1 > Postgrad Study (16%).44%..

Re: Brin: Fact Check

--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uhh... Dr. Brin - by your standards, you are > out-and-out *lying* here. You can go f**k yourself for saying that, you asshole. I said their support "plummeted". I did not say whom they voted for. They all know where their bread is buttered. I used th

Re: Brin: Fact Check

At 07:58 PM 11/9/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote: >> Uhh... Dr. Brin - by your standards, you are >> out-and-out *lying* here. > >[bleep] > > > I said their support "plummeted". I did not say whom >they voted for. > >They all know where their bread is buttered. I used >them as EXTREMA! > >And ALL

Re: Brin: the new know nothings

I took some data on proficiency tests of 8th graders in 2003 on the National Assessment of Education Progress test, which this conservative blogger posted http://www.isteve.com/Web_Exclusives_Archive-May2004.htm#38115.6465670139 and he references this site as the source http://nces.ed.gov/n

Re: Brin: Fact Check

- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Fact Check > At 07:58 PM 11/9/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote: > >> Uhh... Dr. Brin - by your standards, you are > >> out-and-out

Re: decision

Sonja wrote: I wish you all well. I wish you well too, Sonja and regret that you feel you need to unsub. I do think you're a little hard on Nick - he does spend his own time and resources on maintaining the list without compensation. I don't doubt that you've had problems and are justifiably f

Re: Grandbaby!

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:17:34 -0800, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm happy to announce that the newest member of our extended family (but only a bit newer than my sister's daughter born a couple of weeks ago in Pittsburgh) arrived at 5:50 yesterday. Mom and baby are fine. The lit

ADMIN: Let's cool it

Wearing my list manager hat, I'm just going to say that I saw enough personal attacks in the last couple of minutes of reading to lead me to suggest that we all take a deep breath before posting again. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

At 05:07 PM 11/9/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 11/9/2004 2:51:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >And what is it with you and endings >involving some sort of Transcendance? That makes ~three now (not >that I'm counting). > >Oh please. Count them.

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

In a message dated 11/9/2004 10:17:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Heaven's Reach and Creideiki. I know that's one of them. You could easily argue that Heart of the Comet would make two. JDG I feel a need to insert an Orson Scott Cardiovascular joke here--but c

100,000 Deadâor 8,000

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/#ContinueArticle Apologies if this article has already been posted. From the intro: "The report's authors derive this figure by estimating how many Iraqis died in a 14-month period before the U.S. invasion, conducting surveys on how many died in a similar period af

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 05:07 PM 11/9/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> In a message dated 11/9/2004 2:51:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> And what is it with you and endings >> involving some sort of Transcendance? That makes ~three now (not >> that I'm co

Re: Brin: Kiln people aside

In a message dated 11/9/2004 10:44:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has everyone forgotten Earth? I would think that one the most obvious. xponent Tranny Maru rob Transcendence Spotting? Time to count the infantiles on the ceiling. Vilyehm

Re: Aurora

kerri miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--- Ruben Krasnopolsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am now leaving the office (don't ask) to see if I see something. >> In rural Champaign county, I should stand decent chances... > >Well? > >It was absolutely awesome here in the NorthWest! > >-kerri, h