Re: Br!n: Democrats Moving Left Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 08:01 AM 9/17/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote: >John D. Giorgis wrote: > >> I am merely pointing out that >> since JFK, they have been perceived to have become much weaker on defense >> in comparison to the Republicans. > >The statements that followed this seemed to say that Democrats backed >the

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

I've delayed in responding in part because I've been busy, but also in part because I think all sight has been lost of whatever it was we have been disagreeing about. I'll include a few line-by-line responses below At 12:19 AM 9/27/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: >> At 04:35 PM 9/26/2004 -0500

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 03:22:45PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > If anyone sees a mistake in my reasoning, please tell me. While I > don't like being mistaken, its better to be corrected than to stay > mistaken. Sounds reasonable to me, but I'm not familiar with the details of how they calculate t

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 04:08:30P

RE: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

There's nothing quite like reading an argument between economists to get your morning rolling. - jmh No Real Content Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 04:08:30PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > I won't argue with you, but its interesting that it doesn't reflect > itself in an accelerated growth in total capitol employed. Perhaps the measurement of the capital they are employing is not doing a good job of representing the tru

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > > - Original Message - &

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- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 11:16:49PM -0

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 11:16:49PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > I may have just found the source of our differences. I have been > focusing on the median income: the money made by the person in the > middle. I think your compensation costs are the mean compensation > costs. The change in those nu

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 08:42:58A

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 08:42:58AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > I found an interesting measure: the ratio of GDP capital stock. Since Where did you find this data? I would like to read about exactly what is being measured and/or calculated. Are they measuring the (undepreciated) dollar value of c

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:35:25 -0500, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Its not horrible now, but the signs for the future are not good. The tax cut, which is focused on the upper income tax payer, should exasperate the problem. exacerbate -- Doug can't help myself... __

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:58:50 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 12:34:14PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: The second part, is, of course, correct. Whenever there are diminishing marginal returns to labor, laying off a worker will increase productivity. But make

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > Anyhow, its hard to argue from th

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Here is some information on Real Earnings in constant 1982 dollars, in January of each year: 1964 - $7.79 (first available) 1974 - $8.78 1976 - $8.43 1978 - $8.69 1980 - $8.10 1982 - $7.88 1988 - $7.84 1992 - $7.56 1996 - $7.55 2000 - $8.02 Today - $8.26 (It is worth noting that real wa

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > At 01:02 PM 9/26/2004 -0500 Dan

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 02:34 PM 9/26/2004 -0400 John D. Giorgis wrote: >O.k., I probably stated this a bit unclearly in my earlier post - but a key >consideration has to be rising female labor force participation rates >during the 60's and 70's, which leveled off by the 1990's. The economy >simply *had* to create mo

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 12:34:14PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: > The second part, is, of course, correct. Whenever there are > diminishing marginal returns to labor, laying off a worker will > increase productivity. But make sure you lay off the right one! :-) -- Erik Reuter http://www.er

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 01:02 PM 9/26/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: >Let me give a few numbers. In the 15 years from the first quarter of '60 >to the first quarter of '75, jobs increased by 41.4%. Over the last 15 >years of data that I had (last data point Q3, 2003), jobs increased by >22.0%. The numbers come from t

Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > At 06:19 PM 9/18/2004 -0500 Dan

Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 06:19 PM 9/18/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: > We also need to determine >why the job growth since the mid-70s has slowed so much, even though the >productivity growth has been about the same as between 1960-75. Off the top of my head, this doesn't seem right. I know that jobs have increased g

NASCAR Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 05:25 PM 9/18/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Or our own dear Doctor's >stuff about NASCAR. I note that (unsurprisingly) the >only person on the list who raised an objection to >that was...wait for it...me. What a shock. It is quite amazing. I mean if anyone goes back and reads Dr. Brin

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 03:51 PM 9/18/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: >Unions have been a technique to artifically raise raises, by allowing >effective collective bargaining. Open shop unions, where joining the union >is optional, have no power worth mentioning. Even in an open shop, it is common for the union to hav

Better Candidates Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 10:05 PM 9/18/2004 -0700 Damon Agretto wrote: >> Why can't we find better people to run the country? > >We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I disagree. I think the real problem is that in a country with around 150 million voters, it is going to be impossible to pick just two peop

Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 02:04 PM 9/20/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: >As if growth in productivity was necessarily an unalloyed >good. There are plenty of ways to measure and achieve >increases in per-worker productivity, including holding >down wages and laying people off. The first part is incorrect. Productivity is

2008 GOP Potential Nominees Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 12:21 AM 9/19/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: >I vote in Republican primaries. I'd be very interested in 2008 as to >your opinion of the various candidates going into the primaries. (I'd >be very interested in the opinions of a good number of other people >here, as well.) I don't know if I c

Election Process Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

At 09:49 PM 9/18/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >2) In my opinion, the Democratic Party went stark, >staring, raving nuts in 2000 and has gotten worse ever >since. On that much, we agree. In fact, I see a lot of similarities between the Democrats of 2004 and the Republicans of 1996 - so moti

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 21, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Dan Minette wrote: But, that has nothing to do with the fact that increases in productivity are good. Without them, there wouldn't be additional wealth to distribute. Productivity actually creates wealth. If someone wants to argue with that, OK, but I think that is

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > Dan Minette wrote: > > > Actually, not. It

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Dan Minette wrote: Actually, not. Its fairly standard stuff for ecconomists. We could ask Brad Delong (who is a list member and fairly liberal) but IIRC, I've read stuff of his indicating that productivity growth is the foundation of real, non-inflationary growth. Only if wages keep up with it.

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. Gautam, et al, >> When WalMart moves into a community,

RE: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

> Behalf Of Doug Pensinger > Why can't we find better people to run the country? Because no one in their right mind would ever want to go through this and run for president. I consider myself a moderate liberal. I can see myself possibly voting for a moderate Republican in some circumstances. B

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam [I think] wrote: > >> WalMart is (for example) according to a McKinsey >> study, responsible for (I believe) _20%_ of the growth >> in US productivity in the 1990s. Not WalMart and its >> competitors. Just WalMart all by itself. > No, it was not. It was the _debt_ of the Gulf War, that mad

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

From: kerry miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:12:17 -0700 (PDT) --- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

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In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a bit biased in this because Gautam and I have differed on politics civically for many years, both on the list, and I think I have a better understanding than most of what he really thinks. My diff

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good for them. Who cares where the health insurance > > comes from, as long as it's there? > > Lots of people do: look how many people got their > knickers in a knot when the Clintons proposed > Canadian-style national insurance. Good point :) (I'm

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

From: kerry miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:31:59 -0700 (PDT) --- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam, et al, When WalMart moves into a community, it sells a lot of stuff. It sells a lot of things more cheaply than anyone else could do it. This has two wonderful effects. It allows people to buy stuff that they couldn't otherwise afford (employing more people making it, etc.). And it allow

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam, et al, WalMart is (for example) according to a McKinsey study, responsible for (I believe) _20%_ of the growth in US productivity in the 1990s. Not WalMart and its competitors. Just WalMart all by itself. As if growth in productivity was necessarily an unalloyed good. There are plenty of

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dave Land wrote: > > > On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > >> Interestingly enough it's not a new idea. > >> > >> > >> > >> "John Ashcroft and the neo-Confe

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Interestingly enough it's not a new idea. "John Ashcroft and the neo-Confederates" I don't know how literal this is meant to be. I thought at the time that it

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: It's about derogatory comments about NASCAR or trailer parks. I too found that personally offensive as well as the talk about "The South" running the government. I don't

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had > you would know that > your statement about the stores customers is absurd. I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond ring right in the

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As it is, I still would...but the problem is his supporters. There are plenty of people like that on this list - one might call them the "no enemies to my left" crowd. Or the Michael Moore crowd and h

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. That would be stupid. It would be as contrary to the facts as believing in clutch hitting, in fact. The government has a role in society. I don't think it should be running my life or surrenderi

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> then he seems to just follow whatever neocon policy >> is presented. >> He doesn't stand out in the crowd for me, other than >> being a bit >> better looking than most polititians. >> >> xponent >> The Law Enforcement Guy

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > then he seems to just follow whatever neocon policy > is presented. > He doesn't stand out in the crowd for me, other than > being a bit > better looking than most polititians. > > xponent > The Law Enforcement Guy Maru > rob He does Tequila shots

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Julia Thompson wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: >> Speaking of Texas Republicans, what do you think of >> Mike McCaul? Isn't his district near you? > > Yes. I'm not quite sure exactly *where* his district is, since the > Texas House got creative with the district map. From what I read and > heard

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam wrote: I note, in my occasional gesture at systemic reform, that the legendary "smoke-filled rooms" got us Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and Harry Truman. Among others. The primary system got us...well, everyone since LBJ.

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Bryon Daly wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > True enough. Oh, what the hell, I'm not going to get > > that job anyways. I have no idea who I'm voting for. > > I find the Bush Administration to be brutally inept, > > almost fr

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I vote in Republican primaries. I'd be very > > interested in 2008 as to > > your opinion of the various candidates going into > > the primaries. (I'd > > be very interested in the opinions of a good number > > of other

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Bryon Daly wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why can't we find better people to run the country? > > > > We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I > > might've thought very long and hard about who to > > actually vote fo

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 05:25:51PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Or our own dear Doctor's stuff about NASCAR. I note that > (unsurprisingly) the only person on the list who raised an objection > to that was...wait for it...me. If you are referring to the NASCAR thing, then let's talk about prio

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why can't we find better people to run the country? > > We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I > might've thought very long and hard about who to > actually vote for in the last election if McCain h

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > True enough. Oh, what the hell, I'm not going to get > that job anyways. I have no idea who I'm voting for. > I find the Bush Administration to be brutally inept, > almost frighteningly incompetent across a w

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I > might've thought very long and hard about who to > actually vote for in the last election if McCain had > won the nomination. Hindsight being 20/20, I > probably > would have gone for him instead of

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I vote in Republican primaries. I'd be very > interested in 2008 as to > your opinion of the various candidates going into > the primaries. (I'd > be very interested in the opinions of a good number > of other people > here, as well.) > > Jul

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Damon Agretto wrote: > > > Why can't we find better people to run the country? > > We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I > might've thought very long and hard about who to > actually vote for in the last election if McCain had > won the nomination. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

OK, let's try this. I cut and pasted the old post into this message. Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> That sounds pretty strawmannish to me. (I think in >> certain situations >> it may well be true, but I doubt this is the case >> with WalMart.) > > Why

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > Robert Seeberger wrote: > >> > >> Dan Minette wrote: > >> > >>> but I've seen a > >>> lot of snobbery towards the poor around the Woodlands. I'm not > >>> saying that there are not liberal snobs, but there are certainly a > >>> lot of Republic

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

> Why can't we find better people to run the country? We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I might've thought very long and hard about who to actually vote for in the last election if McCain had won the nomination. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably would have gone for him instead of G

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, I thought the logical conclusion of "talking > bad" about it was doing something bad _to it_. Not necessarily. People love to gripe. Frex, Red Sox fans love to talk bad about the Yankees. Or for that

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Julia Thompson wrote: > Robert Seeberger wrote: >> >> Dan Minette wrote: >> >>> but I've seen a >>> lot of snobbery towards the poor around the Woodlands. I'm not >>> saying that there are not liberal snobs, but there are certainly a >>> lot of Republican snobs around me. >>> >> It is a product of

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Why can't we find better people to run the country? > > -- > Doug If Joe Lieberman had been the nominee, I would have quit my job to work for him. In all seriousness, I think it's not hard to figure out why: 1) The Republican Party is stuck with

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:40 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Why can't we find better people to run the country? We had them as options. But they got pushed aside. McCain should have got it in 2K. Had he, none of the acrimony that exists now in public discourse would. I'm proximally certain of that. I'm n

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Julia wrote: Gautam wrote: So I look at Bush and think - this guy is a D- President. And I look at Kerry and think, this guy _wants to be_ an F President. So who do I vote for? I honestly have no idea. Well, there's always Nader, if he made it onto your ballot, and the Libertarian candidate who

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: (Had to stop here to watch The Venture Bros. Tonight it started with the death of Race Bannon from the old Johnny Quest show. What a concept) You SPOILER DISSEMINATING B A S T A R D! It's not on for another 90 minutes here. -- Warren Ockrass

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> That sounds pretty strawmannish to me. (I think in >> certain situations >> it may well be true, but I doubt this is the case >> with WalMart.) > > Why? Again, I think of this as Ec 101, so I'm > assuming things that may

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > So I look at Bush and think - this guy > is a D- President. And I look at Kerry and think, > this guy _wants to be_ an F President. So who do I > vote for? I honestly have no idea. Well, there's always Nader, if he made it onto your ballot, and the Libertarian candidat

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had > > you would know that > > your statement about the stores customers is absurd. > > I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond > ring right in the front of the store. You do

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> According to people I know who work at WalMart, they > >> are not allowed > >> to work more than 32 hours a week. This is done so > >> that WalMart will > >> not have to provide them

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > Dan Minette wrote: > > >but I've seen a > > lot of snobbery towards the poor around the Woodlands. I'm not > > saying that there are not liberal snobs, but there are certainly a > > lot of Republican snobs around me. > > > It is a product of all that pollution provide

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > How d

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So have you

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--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That sounds pretty strawmannish to me. (I think in > certain situations > it may well be true, but I doubt this is the case > with WalMart.) Why? Again, I think of this as Ec 101, so I'm assuming things that may not always be clear. When WalMart

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How do you know? Just because his name is "Sam" > doesn't make him lovable or > fair. It happened in his stores. More than one. > Maybe it is company policy. It > is up to those who would like to excuse the > behavior to reveal ways that the > corporate structur

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

In a message dated 9/18/2004 1:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are those bad > things > > a matter of corporate policy? I somehow don't > think > > Sam Walton was telling people to lock up his > stores at > > night. How do you know? Just because his name is "Sa

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 18, 2004, at 5:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WalMart may be the last major company in America where a high school graduate can get a six figure salary Well, someone with sub high-school literacy can certainly get a six-figure salary in the US, provided his well-connected parents have we

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had > you would know that > your statement about the stores customers is absurd. I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond ring right in the front of the store. You don't see too many of those at WalMart.

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

In a message dated 9/18/2004 11:37:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: do love the trumping of CostCo, though. It kind of proves my point. CostCo has the wealthiest demographics of any of the large discount chains, by a huge amount. CostCo is basically the rich man's Wa

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

On Sep 18, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Dan Minette wrote: [...] Insuring that blue collar workers would have lower real wages is not, IMHO, the ideal way to break inflation. Especially as you-know-who owns most of the guns in this country. Had to share one of my sigs with you because

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Dan Minette wrote: > > Unions have been a technique to artifically raise raises, by allowing > effective collective bargaining. Open shop unions, where joining the > union is optional, have no power worth mentioning. Unions have > weakened over the last 30 or so years. (BTW, it was the signal >

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Maybe I missed something. Can you give an example >> for "harming >> WalMart", besides somply talking bad about the >> company? >> (It might have been shown and I forgot or missed >> it.) > > Sorry, I thought the logical c

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. Part the second

What was cut from the original: You may have forgotten that I am the oldest of 7 children who's father died before I finished high school. I've been poor, both with my family and on my own. I've been out of work and broke. I've had to move in with my Mom and had to move out again when other fami

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Oh, one might argue that the fraction of Americans > in the workforce should > be factored in. Doing so, reduces this effect, we > see it fall by about 53% > instead of 60%. > > Dan M. Well, I would argue that we should factor in the changing nature

Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > > - Original Message - > From:

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On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: It's about derogatory comments about NASCAR or trailer parks. I too found that personally offensive as well as the talk about "The South" running the government. I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Interestingly enou

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- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > > Well, it depends. If your definition of a

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At 01:15 PM Saturday 9/18/04, Dan Minette wrote: [...] But, from what I've seen in Texas, the open shop rules essentily limit effective unions to traditional strongholds, such as trademen (and related fields) or longshoremenand some government unions like police and fire. Teachers unions are

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- Original Message - From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > > > Why? Why wouldn't whatever

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--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I missed something. Can you give an example > for "harming > WalMart", besides somply talking bad about the > company? > (It might have been shown and I forgot or missed > it.) Sorry, I thought the logical conclusion of "talking bad" about it

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Dan Minette wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. >

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- Original Message - From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > Dan Minette wrote: > > BTW, the upper cla

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Dan Minette wrote: > BTW, the upper class Republicans around me, tend to believe that poor > people are that way because they don't have as much gumption as > themselves. If those folks were to have worked as hard as oneself, > then they wouldn't be poor. That's not always true, LOL.It is nev

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Gautam Mukunda wrote: >> >>> I do love the trumping of CostCo, though. It >>> kind of proves my point. CostCo has the wealthiest >>> demographics of any of the large discount chains, by a >>> huge amount. CostCo is ba

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Aaarrrggg...I had a fairly long reply, but it got deleted by accident. My much abbreviated precis of that follows. --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why? Why wouldn't whatever stores sold stuff > instead of WalMart hire > workers? Even if Target and K-mart had not been as > good

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> BTW, the upper class Republicans around me, tend to > believe that poor > people are that way because they don't have as much > gumption as themselves. > If those folks were to have worked as hard as > oneself, then they wouldn't > be poor. That's not always true, but I've seen a > lot of snobbe

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> Why? Why wouldn't whatever stores sold stuff > instead of WalMart hire > workers? Even if Target and K-mart had not been as > good as WalMart at > cutting costs; that would not have meant that they > would not have hired > almost as many workers if they filled that niche. I think Gautam hit i

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- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes. > > No, it's not. It's Economic

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