I've delayed in responding in part because I've been busy, but also in part
because I think all sight has been lost of whatever it was we have been
disagreeing about. I'll include a few line-by-line responses below
At 12:19 AM 9/27/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
At 04:35 PM 9/26/2004 -0500
At 08:01 AM 9/17/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
John D. Giorgis wrote:
I am merely pointing out that
since JFK, they have been perceived to have become much weaker on defense
in comparison to the Republicans.
The statements that followed this seemed to say that Democrats backed
the peace
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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 04:08:30PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I won't argue
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 03:22:45PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
If anyone sees a mistake in my reasoning, please tell me. While I
don't like being mistaken, its better to be corrected than to stay
mistaken.
Sounds reasonable to me, but I'm not familiar with the details of how
they calculate the
snip
There's nothing quite like reading an argument between economists to
get your morning rolling.
grin
- jmh
No Real Content Maru
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http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 08:42:58AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I found an interesting measure: the ratio of GDP capital stock. Since
Where did you find this data? I would like to read about exactly what is
being measured and/or calculated. Are they measuring the (undepreciated)
dollar value of
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 08:42:58AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I found
On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 11:16:49PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I may have just found the source of our differences. I have been
focusing on the median income: the money made by the person in the
middle. I think your compensation costs are the mean compensation
costs. The change in those
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On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 11:16:49PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I may have just
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 04:08:30PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I won't argue with you, but its interesting that it doesn't reflect
itself in an accelerated growth in total capitol employed.
Perhaps the measurement of the capital they are employing is not doing a
good job of representing the true
At 12:21 AM 9/19/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote:
I vote in Republican primaries. I'd be very interested in 2008 as to
your opinion of the various candidates going into the primaries. (I'd
be very interested in the opinions of a good number of other people
here, as well.)
I don't know if I can
At 02:04 PM 9/20/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote:
As if growth in productivity was necessarily an unalloyed
good. There are plenty of ways to measure and achieve
increases in per-worker productivity, including holding
down wages and laying people off.
The first part is incorrect. Productivity is
At 10:05 PM 9/18/2004 -0700 Damon Agretto wrote:
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated.
I disagree.
I think the real problem is that in a country with around 150 million
voters, it is going to be impossible to pick just two people
At 03:51 PM 9/18/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
Unions have been a technique to artifically raise raises, by allowing
effective collective bargaining. Open shop unions, where joining the union
is optional, have no power worth mentioning.
Even in an open shop, it is common for the union to have
At 05:25 PM 9/18/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Or our own dear Doctor's
stuff about NASCAR. I note that (unsurprisingly) the
only person on the list who raised an objection to
that was...wait for it...me. What a shock.
It is quite amazing. I mean if anyone goes back and reads Dr. Brin's
At 06:19 PM 9/18/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
We also need to determine
why the job growth since the mid-70s has slowed so much, even though the
productivity growth has been about the same as between 1960-75.
Off the top of my head, this doesn't seem right. I know that jobs have
increased
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
At 06:19 PM 9/18/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
We also need to determine
why
At 01:02 PM 9/26/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
Let me give a few numbers. In the 15 years from the first quarter of '60
to the first quarter of '75, jobs increased by 41.4%. Over the last 15
years of data that I had (last data point Q3, 2003), jobs increased by
22.0%. The numbers come from the
On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 12:34:14PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
The second part, is, of course, correct. Whenever there are
diminishing marginal returns to labor, laying off a worker will
increase productivity.
But make sure you lay off the right one! :-)
--
Erik Reuter
At 02:34 PM 9/26/2004 -0400 John D. Giorgis wrote:
O.k., I probably stated this a bit unclearly in my earlier post - but a key
consideration has to be rising female labor force participation rates
during the 60's and 70's, which leveled off by the 1990's. The economy
simply *had* to create more
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Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:34 PM
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At 01:02 PM 9/26/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
Let me give a few numbers
Here is some information on Real Earnings in constant 1982 dollars, in
January of each year:
1964 - $7.79 (first available)
1974 - $8.78
1976 - $8.43
1978 - $8.69
1980 - $8.10
1982 - $7.88
1988 - $7.84
1992 - $7.56
1996 - $7.55
2000 - $8.02
Today - $8.26
(It is worth noting that real
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Productivity Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Anyhow, its hard to argue from this data that increased productivity
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:58:50 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 12:34:14PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
The second part, is, of course, correct. Whenever there are
diminishing marginal returns to labor, laying off a worker will
increase productivity.
But make
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:35:25 -0500, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its not horrible now, but the signs for the future are not good. The tax
cut, which is focused on the upper income tax payer, should exasperate
the problem.
exacerbate
--
Doug
can't help myself...
At 09:49 PM 9/18/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
2) In my opinion, the Democratic Party went stark,
staring, raving nuts in 2000 and has gotten worse ever
since.
On that much, we agree.
In fact, I see a lot of similarities between the Democrats of 2004 and the
Republicans of 1996 - so
Dan Minette wrote:
Actually, not. Its fairly standard stuff for ecconomists. We could ask
Brad Delong (who is a list member and fairly liberal) but IIRC, I've read
stuff of his indicating that productivity growth is the foundation of real,
non-inflationary growth.
Only if wages keep up with it.
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From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Dan Minette wrote:
Actually, not. Its fairly standard stuff for ecconomists. We could
ask
On Sep 21, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
But, that has nothing to do with the fact that increases in
productivity
are good. Without them, there wouldn't be additional wealth to
distribute.
Productivity actually creates wealth. If someone wants to argue with
that,
OK, but I think that
In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No. That would be stupid. It would be as contrary to
the facts as believing in clutch hitting, in fact.
The government has a role in society. I don't think
it should be running my life or
In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As it is, I still
would...but the problem is his supporters. There are
plenty of people like that on this list - one might
call them the no enemies to my left crowd. Or the
Michael Moore crowd and
In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had
you would know that
your statement about the stores customers is absurd.
I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond
ring right in the
On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's about derogatory comments about
NASCAR or trailer parks.
I too found that personally offensive as well as the talk about The
South running the government. I don't
On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Interestingly enough it's not a new idea.
http://www.bushwatch.com/ashcroft.htm
John Ashcroft and the neo-Confederates
I don't know how literal this is meant to be. I thought at the time
that it
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Interestingly enough it's not a new idea.
http://www.bushwatch.com/ashcroft.htm
John Ashcroft and the neo-Confederates
I don't know
Gautam, et al,
WalMart is (for example) according to a McKinsey
study, responsible for (I believe) _20%_ of the growth
in US productivity in the 1990s. Not WalMart and its
competitors. Just WalMart all by itself.
As if growth in productivity was necessarily an unalloyed
good. There are plenty of
Gautam, et al,
When WalMart moves into a community, it sells a lot
of stuff. It sells a lot of things more cheaply than
anyone else could do it. This has two wonderful
effects. It allows people to buy stuff that they
couldn't otherwise afford (employing more people
making it, etc.). And it
From: kerry miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good for them. Who cares where the health insurance
comes from, as long as it's there?
Lots of people do: look how many people got their
knickers in a knot when the Clintons proposed
Canadian-style national insurance.
Good point :)
(I'm becoming
In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm a bit biased in this because Gautam and I have differed on politics
civically for many years, both on the list, and I think I have a better
understanding than most of what he really thinks. My
From: kerry miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good for them. Who cares where
Gautam [I think] wrote:
WalMart is (for example) according to a McKinsey
study, responsible for (I believe) _20%_ of the growth
in US productivity in the 1990s. Not WalMart and its
competitors. Just WalMart all by itself.
No, it was not. It was the _debt_ of the Gulf War, that
made Saudi
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
Because no one in their right mind would ever want to go through
this and run for president. I consider myself a moderate liberal.
I can see myself possibly voting for a moderate Republican in some
circumstances.
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Gautam, et al,
When WalMart moves into a community, it sells a lot
of stuff. It sells a lot
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True enough. Oh, what the hell, I'm not going to get
that job anyways. I have no idea who I'm voting for.
I find the Bush Administration to be brutally inept,
almost frighteningly incompetent across a wide
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I
might've thought very long and hard about who to
actually vote for in the last election if McCain had
won
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 05:25:51PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Or our own dear Doctor's stuff about NASCAR. I note that
(unsurprisingly) the only person on the list who raised an objection
to that was...wait for it...me.
If you are referring to the NASCAR thing, then let's talk about
Bryon Daly wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I
might've thought very long and hard about who to
actually vote for in the last
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I vote in Republican primaries. I'd be very
interested in 2008 as to
your opinion of the various candidates going into
the primaries. (I'd
be very interested in the opinions of a good number
of other people
here,
Bryon Daly wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True enough. Oh, what the hell, I'm not going to get
that job anyways. I have no idea who I'm voting for.
I find the Bush Administration to be brutally inept,
almost frighteningly
Julia Thompson wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Speaking of Texas Republicans, what do you think of
Mike McCaul? Isn't his district near you?
Yes. I'm not quite sure exactly *where* his district is, since the
Texas House got creative with the district map. From what I read
and
heard during
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
then he seems to just follow whatever neocon policy
is presented.
He doesn't stand out in the crowd for me, other than
being a bit
better looking than most polititians.
xponent
The Law Enforcement Guy Maru
rob
He does Tequila shots with
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
then he seems to just follow whatever neocon policy
is presented.
He doesn't stand out in the crowd for me, other than
being a bit
better looking than most polititians.
xponent
The Law Enforcement Guy Maru
rob
He does
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about their treatment of their employees?
Horrible sex discrimination.
locking workers into the stores overnigtht. He does
ot look down on the
shoppers. He looks down on the corporate management.
Contrasts Walmart (and I would
add Costco) who treat
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
There is undoubtedly sex discrimination at WalMart, as
there is at most companies. There's _no_ evidence that
this was a corporate policy, though. Have they done
bad things? Sure. The government should police them,
as it does every other company. Are those bad
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
There is undoubtedly sex discrimination at
WalMart, as
there is at most companies. There's _no_ evidence
that
this was a corporate policy, though. Have they
done
bad things? Sure. The government should police
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
No, it's not. It's Economics 101. WalMart has given
many of the poor and uneducated jobs
Why? Why wouldn't whatever stores sold stuff
instead of WalMart hire
workers? Even if Target and K-mart had not been as
good as WalMart at
cutting costs; that would not have meant that they
would not have hired
almost as many workers if they filled that niche.
I think Gautam hit it on
BTW, the upper class Republicans around me, tend to
believe that poor
people are that way because they don't have as much
gumption as themselves.
If those folks were to have worked as hard as
oneself, then they wouldn't
be poor. That's not always true, but I've seen a
lot of snobbery
Aaarrrggg...I had a fairly long reply, but it got
deleted by accident. My much abbreviated precis of
that follows.
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why? Why wouldn't whatever stores sold stuff
instead of WalMart hire
workers? Even if Target and K-mart had not been as
good as
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I do love the trumping of CostCo, though. It
kind of proves my point. CostCo has the wealthiest
demographics of any of the large discount chains, by a
huge amount. CostCo is basically the rich
Dan Minette wrote:
BTW, the upper class Republicans around me, tend to believe that
poor
people are that way because they don't have as much gumption as
themselves. If those folks were to have worked as hard as oneself,
then they wouldn't be poor. That's not always true,
LOL.It is never
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Dan Minette wrote:
BTW, the upper class Republicans around me, tend to believe that
poor
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Dan Minette wrote:
BTW, the upper class Republicans around me, tend
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe I missed something. Can you give an example
for harming
WalMart, besides somply talking bad about the
company?
(It might have been shown and I forgot or missed
it.)
Sorry, I thought the logical conclusion of talking
bad about it was doing
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Why? Why wouldn't whatever stores sold stuff
instead of WalMart hire
workers? Even
At 01:15 PM Saturday 9/18/04, Dan Minette wrote:
[...] But, from what I've
seen in Texas, the open shop rules essentily limit effective unions to
traditional strongholds, such as trademen (and related fields) or
longshoremenand some government unions like police and fire. Teachers
unions are
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Well, it depends. If your definition of a decent wage
is more than their labor is worth
On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's about derogatory comments about
NASCAR or trailer parks.
I too found that personally offensive as well as the talk about The
South running the government. I don't agree with that sentiment at
all.
Interestingly
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, one might argue that the fraction of Americans
in the workforce should
be factored in. Doing so, reduces this effect, we
see it fall by about 53%
instead of 60%.
Dan M.
Well, I would argue that we should factor in the
changing nature of who
What was cut from the original:
You may have forgotten that I am the oldest of 7 children who's father
died before I finished high school. I've been poor, both with my
family and on my own. I've been out of work and broke.
I've had to move in with my Mom and had to move out again when other
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, one might argue that the fraction of Americans
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe I missed something. Can you give an example
for harming
WalMart, besides somply talking bad about the
company?
(It might have been shown and I forgot or missed
it.)
Sorry, I thought the logical conclusion of
Dan Minette wrote:
Unions have been a technique to artifically raise raises, by
allowing
effective collective bargaining. Open shop unions, where joining
the
union is optional, have no power worth mentioning. Unions have
weakened over the last 30 or so years. (BTW, it was the signal
On Sep 18, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
[...]
Insuring that blue collar workers would have
lower real wages is not, IMHO, the ideal way to break inflation.
Especially as you-know-who owns most of the guns in this country.
G
Had to share one of my sigs with you
In a message dated 9/18/2004 11:37:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
do love the trumping of CostCo, though. It
kind of proves my point. CostCo has the wealthiest
demographics of any of the large discount chains, by a
huge amount. CostCo is basically the rich man's
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had
you would know that
your statement about the stores customers is absurd.
I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond
ring right in the front of the store. You don't see
too many of those at WalMart.
On Sep 18, 2004, at 5:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WalMart may be the last major company in America where a high
school graduate can get a six figure salary
Well, someone with sub high-school literacy can certainly get a
six-figure salary in the US, provided his well-connected parents have
In a message dated 9/18/2004 1:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are those bad
things
a matter of corporate policy? I somehow don't
think
Sam Walton was telling people to lock up his
stores at
night.
How do you know? Just because his name is Sam doesn't
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you know? Just because his name is Sam
doesn't make him lovable or
fair. It happened in his stores. More than one.
Maybe it is company policy. It
is up to those who would like to excuse the
behavior to reveal ways that the
corporate structure
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That sounds pretty strawmannish to me. (I think in
certain situations
it may well be true, but I doubt this is the case
with WalMart.)
Why? Again, I think of this as Ec 101, so I'm
assuming things that may not always be clear. When
WalMart moves
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had
you
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you know? Just because his name is Sam
doesn't make
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
but I've seen a
lot of snobbery towards the poor around the Woodlands. I'm not
saying that there are not liberal snobs, but there are certainly a
lot of Republican snobs around me.
It is a product of all that pollution provided by Bush
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
According to people I know who work at WalMart, they
are not allowed
to work more than 32 hours a week. This is done so
that WalMart will
not have to provide them with insurance or other
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had
you would know that
your statement about the stores customers is absurd.
I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond
ring right in the front of the store. You don't see
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
So I look at Bush and think - this guy
is a D- President. And I look at Kerry and think,
this guy _wants to be_ an F President. So who do I
vote for? I honestly have no idea.
Well, there's always Nader, if he made it onto your ballot, and the
Libertarian candidate
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That sounds pretty strawmannish to me. (I think in
certain situations
it may well be true, but I doubt this is the case
with WalMart.)
Why? Again, I think of this as Ec 101, so I'm
assuming things that may not always be
On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
(Had to stop here to watch The Venture Bros. Tonight it started with
the death of Race Bannon from the old Johnny Quest show. What a
concept)
You SPOILER DISSEMINATING B A S T A R D!
It's not on for another 90 minutes here.
--
Warren
Julia wrote:
Gautam wrote:
So I look at Bush and think - this guy
is a D- President. And I look at Kerry and think,
this guy _wants to be_ an F President. So who do I
vote for? I honestly have no idea.
Well, there's always Nader, if he made it onto your ballot, and the
Libertarian candidate
On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:40 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
We had them as options. But they got pushed aside. McCain should have
got it in 2K. Had he, none of the acrimony that exists now in public
discourse would. I'm proximally certain of that.
I'm
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
--
Doug
If Joe Lieberman had been the nominee, I would have
quit my job to work for him. In all seriousness, I
think it's not hard to figure out why:
1) The Republican Party is stuck with the
Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
but I've seen a
lot of snobbery towards the poor around the Woodlands. I'm not
saying that there are not liberal snobs, but there are certainly a
lot of Republican snobs around me.
It is a product of all that pollution
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, I thought the logical conclusion of talking
bad about it was doing something bad _to it_.
Not necessarily. People love to gripe. Frex, Red Sox fans love to
talk bad about the Yankees. Or for that
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I
might've thought very long and hard about who to
actually vote for in the last election if McCain had
won the nomination. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably
would have gone for him instead of
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
but I've seen a
lot of snobbery towards the poor around the Woodlands. I'm not
saying that there are not liberal snobs, but there are certainly a
lot of Republican snobs around me.
It
OK, let's try this. I cut and pasted the old post
into this message.
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That sounds pretty strawmannish to me. (I think in
certain situations
it may well be true, but I doubt this is the case
with WalMart.)
Why? Again, I
Damon Agretto wrote:
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
We CAN...it's just that they don't get nominated. I
might've thought very long and hard about who to
actually vote for in the last election if McCain had
won the nomination. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably
would
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