From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim, lacking parenting experience:
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one
kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It
definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one.
That is so dumb. It does
From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Lee misattributed to me:
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one
kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It
definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one.
That is so dumb. It does not.
You're
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, in the original post, that poster misattributed
something to
Mr. Lee, something that was mine. Maybe he's just spreading the
joy.
Or maybe he misread jmh as Jim.
I did? Ghah! I did. Sorry about that. It was your comment I was
Horn, John wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, in the original post, that poster misattributed
something to
Mr. Lee, something that was mine. Maybe he's just spreading the
joy.
Or maybe he misread jmh as Jim.
I did? Ghah! I did. Sorry about that.
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Question:
Is there anyone here who did not understand my use of the word
trollery?
Actually, I thought you were talking about the arcane art of shopping
trolley manoeuvring.
Regards, Ray.
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
The bromadrosis from this particular sock is rather severe though, don't
you think? Open that particular
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To: Killer Bs Discussion
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Mike Lee misattributed to me:
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one
kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It
definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one.
That is so dumb. It does not.
You're the only person I've ever encountered who thinks so.
Jim Sharkey wrote:
Mike Lee misattributed to me:
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one
kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It
definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one.
That is so dumb. It does not.
You're the only person I've ever
Jim, lacking parenting experience:
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one
kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It
definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one.
That is so dumb. It does not. And it's probably not what he meant anyway.
Dan wrote:
I think that you may be making an error extrapolating from the specific
to the general. Proper care of little humans requires significantly
greater
effort than proper care of little sock puppets. For example, you can
roll a little sock puppet up and put it in the drawer for
Ronn, bemused:
At 02:10 AM 5/5/04, Mike Lee wrote:
And f$ck the World Court with Lynndie's strapon, by the way.
Umm . . .
-- Ronn! :)
Yeah, I can see why you'd be left speechless and aroused by that.
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From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(And if you're working and you have twins or more, it's more
cost-effective to hire a nanny than to put them all in
daycare, at least for the first couple of years.)
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one kid is
a hobby,
At 10:53 AM 5/6/04, Horn, John wrote:
From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(And if you're working and you have twins or more, it's more
cost-effective to hire a nanny than to put them all in
daycare, at least for the first couple of years.)
As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*)
Julia, trying to prove that the exceptions justify the rule:
Actually, if you've got infant twins they have an older
sibling who's still pretty young, or if you have triplets or
more, you could really use the help for the first year or so.
Hire someone or see how much family and friends
Ronn insults my offspring:
I sincerely \*hope*\ that the answer is zero, and also that
he is single, otherwise I feel very sorry for some poor
unfortunate woman and some innocent children . . .
Ronn is very sorry. Feeling very sorry makes him feel very sorry. That gives
Ronn a warm
Julia, expressing her contempt for women who work instead of breed for a
living:
been eaten alive by undergrads in 3 minutes flat. :P If you
can't handle a relatively simple phone system when you're
being sent out by a temp agency to be a receptionist, there's
very little hope for you in
At 02:10 AM 5/5/04, Mike Lee wrote:
Ronn insults my offspring:
I sincerely \*hope*\ that the answer is zero, and also that
he is single, otherwise I feel very sorry for some poor
unfortunate woman and some innocent children . . .
Ronn is very sorry.
I'm am indeed very sorry, but the only
Mike Lee wrote:
Ronn insults my offspring:
I sincerely \*hope*\ that the answer is zero, and also that
he is single, otherwise I feel very sorry for some poor
unfortunate woman and some innocent children . . .
Ronn is very sorry. Feeling very sorry makes him feel very sorry. That
Mike Lee wrote:
Julia, expressing her contempt for women who work instead of breed for a
living:
been eaten alive by undergrads in 3 minutes flat. :P If you
can't handle a relatively simple phone system when you're
being sent out by a temp agency to be a receptionist, there's
very
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:10 AM 5/5/04, Mike Lee wrote:
Ronn insults my offspring:
I sincerely \*hope*\ that the answer is zero, and also that
he is single, otherwise I feel very sorry for some poor
unfortunate woman and some innocent children . . .
Ronn is very sorry.
On Wed, 05 May 2004 11:46:44 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, whoever he is might be a generally nice guy who just needs to
bloe off steam, or enjoys a good argument (and if it's the latter, we
might not be doing as good a job of it as he'd like).
I don't think he's
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Mike Lee wrote:
Ronn insults my offspring:
I sincerely \*hope*\ that the answer is zero
At 11:46 AM 5/5/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
You know, whoever he is might be a generally nice guy who just needs to
bloe off steam,
At 02:10 AM 5/5/04, Mike Lee wrote:
And f$ck the World Court with Lynndie's strapon, by the way.
Umm . . .
-- Ronn! :)
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Mike Lee wrote:
Ronn insults my offspring:
I sincerely
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From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:44 AM
Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives
But that's neither here nor there, since my comments were not based on my
own experience but on my observation
Jim, declaring victory since it's the only way he ever gets one:
It's been fun watching you utilize every corny, cliched
Internet argument tactic ever invented in such a short time,
Mike. I look forward to more entertainment in the future!
Don't worry, Jim, you'll be entertained. Not
Mike Lee wrote:
Really, get a nanny if you're so damn tired, because you're not very good at
being a mom, and obviously you need professional help.
Actually, if you've got infant twins they have an older sibling who's
still pretty young, or if you have triplets or more, you could really
use
At 04:38 PM 5/4/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Mike Lee wrote:
Really, get a nanny if you're so damn tired, because you're not very
good at
being a mom, and obviously you need professional help.
Actually, if you've got infant twins they have an older sibling who's
still pretty young, or if you have
Gary Denton is wondering:
As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Is this
supposed to be satire?
If I've said anything to offend you, let me apologize in advance, because I
seldom apologize post facto.
Welcome to the group!
I hope this question was satire, and you're not going
Dim Jim, happy in his role as not-so-primary-caretaker of his progeny:
Not incompetent at all, Mike. Just don't want to do the job 24/7.
Quite happy in my role, thanks.
Why wouldn't you want to raise your kids if you could? Why do you think your
wife is any happier doing what you consider
Mike Lee wrote:
Any woman who is whining about how busy she is who is a full
time mother of a developmentally normal child (or children)
is an incompetent and/or neurotic attention whore running a
racket, hoping nobody will resent her for how easy her life is.
*lol*
You have never
Mike Lee wrote:
what you consider shitwork
It's been fun watching you utilize every corny, cliched Internet
argument tactic ever invented in such a short time, Mike. I look
forward to more entertainment in the future!
Jim
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:20 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's
Ritu, laughing out loud:
*lol*
You have never raised children, have you, Mike?
Well, I think I have; my poor child may have a different opinion.
But that's neither here nor there, since my comments were not based on my
own experience but on my observation of all the lazy, whining,
Doug Pensinger wrote:
sock puppet- An account made on an internet message board, by a
person who already has an account, for the purpose of posting more-
or-less anonymously.
I've heard them called smurfs most of the time. Does that make
the original poster Gargamel? :-)
Jim
At 11:20 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
and how do you know he's not just
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:57:45 -0500
As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?
Always.
Is this supposed to be satire
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:14:18 -0500
Bathroom humor is an American-Standard.
Ha! Is that your own quote Ronn!? If so I'd like
At 08:06 AM 4/30/04, Travis Edmunds wrote:
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:14:18 -0500
Bathroom humor is an American-Standard.
Ha
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:50:56 -0700
his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core.
Funny post Dave! thumbs up But you
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED
Dan Minette wrote:
You know, I've never understood the motavation of sock puppet trolling.
Especially when one is trolling virtually the entire community one is a
member of...including oneself.
What makes you think he's a sock puppet, anyway?
Julia
Can someone explain what exactly a sock puppet is
anyway, for those of us not as net savvy?
Damon.
=
Damon Agretto
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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html
Now
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Can someone explain what exactly a sock puppet is
anyway, for those of us not as net savvy?
A sock puppet
Dan wrote:
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Can someone explain what exactly a sock puppet is
anyway, for those of us not as net savvy?
A sock
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Dan wrote:
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Can someone explain what exactly a sock puppet is
anyway
Jim, lobbying less than competently for father of the year:
Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all
know how darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine
doing the job my wife does. I far prefer having my real job.
I'm so tired of the fawning faux incompetence
As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Is this supposed
to be satire?
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:09:27 -0700, Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim, lobbying less than competently for father of the year:
Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all
know how darn
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?
Every single post.
Is this supposed
to be satire
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:57 PM
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL
--
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As a new member can I ask if he is always like this? Is this supposed
to be satire?
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL
At 04:18 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Mike Lee wrote:
So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma
From the Train service for each other by helping to kill the
self-congratulatory
Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with:
Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike.
I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's
case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm
guessing that when he was a kid with
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives
Mike Lee wrote:
So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not
be able to hold your wife accountable
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 04:18 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Mike Lee wrote:
So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little Throw Momma
From the Train service for each other by helping
Dave Land wrote:
Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with:
Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike.
I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's
case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm
guessing
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway?
Exactly what trolls do.
xponent
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway
At 10:42 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
But I'd much rather give my kid a magnifying glass than let him spread
the ant poison on the any of the 150 antmounds we have on the property.
If you do that (I am not making a recommendation here), just be sure it is
a genuine magnifying _glass_, as
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:41:52PM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote:
I thought Erik hinted that he and John Doe were the same person early
on, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
Ambiguous grammar -- I don't know what you think is not the case.
But I do know that I made no such suggestion.
Tom Tom the Brin List Mom:
Why is anyone even bothering to respond to this guy? It's
clear to me he's just trolling, flapping his gums, saying
outrageous stuff to try to provoke a response. So why give
him the satisfaction of being provoked?
You go right ahead and get the rest of those
Ronn, pulling this thumb out of his own pie, and saying what a good boy am
I!:
You've never been married, have you?
Ooh, good shot!
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Dan M, continuing his streak of stupid, pretentious questions asked me:
How many oil rigs have you been on?
None. Do you have a point? Or are you trying to sell your latest Girls of
the Oil Rig calendar?
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The Fool, repetitiously:
You aren't very bright are you.
You keep saying that to me. Maybe you're hoping I'll get it through my thick
head or something.
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Doug, a paragon of logic again:
Geeze, Julia, raising kids wouldnt be meaningfull work now,
would it?
It's not all that meaningful, no. That's why it pays so well, and why most
people doing it are incompetent, but don't get fired.
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Doug says another thing that his mom should put up on the fridge just to
help his self-esteem:
As far as winning though, I would think that unless he's
convinced anyone that all poor people deserve their fate or
that we can solve our problems by nuking them or that women
are worthless, or
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From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:07 AM
Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives
How many oil rigs have you been on?
None. Do you have a point? Or are you trying to sell your latest
Julia wrote:
I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's
population--which is something like 62% employed...
And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck.
Julia
Every Mother Is A Working Mother Maru
Geeze, Julia, raising kids wouldnt be meaningfull work
On 27 Apr 2004, at 2:10 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 07:01 PM 4/26/04, William T Goodall wrote:
That was a big march apparently.
Was there supposed to be a link to a news story about it or something?
If so, it didn't come through.
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:48:58 +
Is it the biggest? Just a little over 1 million? I would imagine
that other moments had
Julia, sharing a hoary old feminist conceit:
I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working
women's population--which is something like 62% employed...
And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck.
They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're
The Fool, amusing me today:
I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the
working women's population--which is something like 62% employed...
Any other group that had a 38% unemployment rate would be considered a
social disaster.
So what you're saying, is 4 out of 10 women don't
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From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives
Julia, sharing a hoary old feminist conceit:
I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match
From: Stupid Troll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Z Fool, amusing me today:
I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the
working women's population--which is something like 62% employed...
Any other group that had a 38% unemployment rate would be considered a
social disaster.
So
At 05:08 PM 4/27/04, Mike Lee wrote:
Julia, sharing a hoary old feminist conceit:
I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working
women's population--which is something like 62% employed...
And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck.
They don't work very hard. And
Mike Lee wrote:
They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're
neurotic or incompetent.
Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all know how
darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine doing the job my
wife does. I far prefer having my real job.
Jim
Mike Lee wrote:
They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're
neurotic or incompetent.
Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all know how
darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine doing the job my
wife does. I far prefer having my real job.
Why is anyone
Thomas Beck wrote:
Why is anyone even bothering to respond to this guy?
Well, I did because I've been generally deleting most of my e-mails due to time
pressures at home and work. I was unaware of trolling because I haven't been eating
the latest bowl of list Drama Flakes. :) But I'll take
Kneem wrote:
You aren't very bright are you.
Actually, I'm leaning toward the caricature theory after his most recent
posts. I'm very curious as to who he really is. I thought Erik hinted
that he and John Doe were the same person early on, but I'm pretty sure
that's not the case. Whoever he
That was a big march apparently.
--
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
their C
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:02 PM
To: Brin-L
Subject: March for Women's Lives
That was a big march apparently.
--
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman
From: Stupid Troll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, when you appeal to a constituency that doesn't do a lot of
meaningful
work, you can get a lot of them to show up in the middle of the day for
a
march.
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The Biggest March in American history.
1,150,000+
I'd be willing to bet that they
At 07:01 PM 4/26/04, William T Goodall wrote:
That was a big march apparently.
Was there supposed to be a link to a news story about it or something? If
so, it didn't come through.
-- Ronn! :)
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The Fool wrote:
From: Stupid Troll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, when you appeal to a constituency that doesn't do a lot of
meaningful
work, you can get a lot of them to show up in the middle of the day for
a
march.
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1,150,000+
I'd be
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