[cctalk] Re: HCF [was: System 360 question]

2024-11-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/3/24 15:39, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Yes, but you don't need such an architecture for this. A PDP-11 can do it also. I once assigned that as a a pair of homework questions in an assembly language programming course: 1. Show a one-word PDP-11 program that writes all of memory, in

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/1/24 14:55, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Wikipedia lists models 60, 62, 64, and 66 (never shipped) and 65 and 67 as shipped, but no 63. since I don't remember 65s, I assume not many of them made it out the door? Uh, no.  The 360/65 was a very popular model, QUITE (4X) a step up from the

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/31/24 09:35, Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 40 if we ran a program that did an Assembler instruction, B *For those non-Assembler people that is an instruction

[cctalk] Re: Old TMS3202x Software?

2024-10-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/27/24 11:28, Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote: Hi guys, I've got a bunch of TMS32020 and two TMS320C25 Chips and I want to play with them a little :-) Is the old DOS (orf VMS?) Software still available from somewhere? (Yes, I have an VS4000-90 under the desk..long time ago since I've last boot

[cctalk] Re: CDC Cyber 180/8xx PSU

2024-10-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/12/24 22:26, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-10-12 7:40 p.m., Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 10/12/24 20:07, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 10/12/24 16:25, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Didn’t all the IBM mainframes use 400hz? Maybe ask the IBMers how they got 400hz. Also, can the local

[cctalk] Re: CDC Cyber 180/8xx PSU

2024-10-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/12/24 20:07, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 10/12/24 16:25, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Didn’t all the IBM mainframes use 400hz? Maybe ask the IBMers how they got 400hz. Also, can the local power company supply it? Oh, the IBM 7090 series had a 400 Hz motor generator.  The mid-range IBM

[cctalk] Re: CDC Cyber 180/8xx PSU

2024-10-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/12/24 16:25, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Didn’t all the IBM mainframes use 400hz? Maybe ask the IBMers how they got 400hz. Also, can the local power company supply it? The IBM 370/145 definitely used 400 Hz internally, there was a 60 Hz 3-phase to 400 Hz 3-phase motor-alternator in the ba

[cctalk] Re: CDC Cyber 180/8xx PSU

2024-10-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/12/24 14:30, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Years ago I commented (on this list, probably) that a "VFC" would likely make a good 400 Hz supply. VFC is "Variable frequency controller", a device that takes mains input and turns it into three phase output of a frequency of your choice. The

[cctalk] Re: CDC Cyber 180/8xx PSU

2024-10-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/12/24 09:47, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/12/24 04:51, hupfadekroua via cctalk wrote: Hi all, after approx 30 years of waiting our time has come to get hands on a Cyber 180/860a. These systems as other systems before are using 400Hz psus. ISTR that 400Hz 3-phase is required. Th

[cctalk] Re: CDC Cyber 180/8xx PSU

2024-10-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/12/24 06:51, hupfadekroua via cctalk wrote: Hi all, after approx 30 years of waiting our time has come to get hands on a Cyber 180/860a. These systems as other systems before are using 400Hz psus. One approach would be to use a 50Hz/400Hz power converter. There are ones on the market c

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/3/24 15:28, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: Just curious if you had a known "good" drive, a golden unit so to speak, that was well aligned with an authentic alignment diskette-- could you then use that drive to write plain old data diskettes that the downstream users would then align their

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/3/24 14:25, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/3/24 10:51, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote: The IBM 360 single precision floating point has a range of 10**-79 to 10**75; double precision and extended precision has the same number of bits for the exponent. ...and most significanrly, norma

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/2/24 09:11, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Oct 1, 2024, at 8:06 PM, donald donaldwhittemore.com via cctalk wrote: I rue the day I lost an eBay auction. It was a PR photo with a good looking model mounting a disk in an open drawer of a 2314. If you looked carefully you would see she

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/1/24 18:29, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote: I wouldn't call the 2314 low tech - it was the highest areal density at the time, a breakthru with ferrite heads and very low cost to manufacture. Note I said cost, its profit margin was enormous, in part by putting as much expensive electronic

[cctalk] Re: NTE is dead

2024-10-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/1/24 11:45, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: I should note that my local store's primary business at this point is installing AV systems into peoples homes and repairing old stereo equipment, which means they are likely the largest consumer of their own stock, but when I need a resistor, tra

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/30/24 21:03, Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk wrote: On 9/30/2024 6:31 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 9/30/24 16:23, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: One application for devices like that would be vacuum tube power amplifiers, to delay the high voltage power supply until after the heater

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-09-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/30/24 16:23, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: One application for devices like that would be vacuum tube power amplifiers, to delay the high voltage power supply until after the heater current has been on for a bit. paul On Sep 30, 2024, at 5:21 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote:

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/13/24 22:21, Mark Huffstutter via cctalk wrote: I think David meant He saw them working on refurbishing the panel itself. LCM Staff designed and Built the circuitry to generate the pseudo blinkenlights effect, along with converting to LEDs. As I recall, the Panel was the only thing

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/13/24 12:38, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: It's curious that the ASR33 went for $24k while the ASR35 "only" fetched $3k. The 35 is less common as well as far more reliable (and heavier). Yes, I spotted that too!  I think the 35 is also quieter than a 33.  The 33 is supposed to survive f

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/10/24 20:06, Christopher Zach via cctalk wrote: Interesting. I wonder how they handled the stekler boards The stecker (plugboard) is just another rotor that never moves, so is much easier to deal with. If you have the codebooks, you also know the stecker plug setting, but without the bo

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/10/24 17:37, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Any special provenance? (Hitler's personal Enigma?, BillG's' Altair?, Steve's Apple?) Nope. But the Enigma is a four-rotor Navy model, not the more common 3-rotor one. I didn't know that

[cctalk] Re: Antonio's call for donations (was LCM auction)

2024-09-04 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/3/24 17:28, David Barto via cctalk wrote: I’d love to see that program. As a UCSD Pascal developer (at UCSD back in the day) interesting Pascal programs are always something that I’m interested in seeing/reading. I have attached the .pas source file, as well as a .net file that defines t

[cctalk] Re: Antonio's call for donations (was LCM auction)

2024-08-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/30/24 23:40, ben via cctalk wrote: >> By the way, the earth is round... > > I'm glad we can agree on this. Of course the Earth is round. > > It's also hollow.Oh it is a donut!> > To try and turn this thread around: I'm looking to make an extended > memory controller for my pdp8/L. I've go

[cctalk] Re: Antonio's call for donations (was LCM auction)

2024-08-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/30/24 21:25, cz via cctalk wrote: By the way, the earth is round... I'm glad we can agree on this. Of course the Earth is round. It's also hollow. To try and turn this thread around: I'm looking to make an extended memory controller for my pdp8/L. I've got a wire wrap backplane and eno

[cctalk] Re: M920 (unibus backplane jumper) to M935 (omnibus)

2024-08-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/18/24 21:51, Paul Anderson via cctalk wrote: Does anyone remember how this is done? Or the BC11- to the one used in 8s? Thanks, Paul I seem to recall that the M920 has two boards with the double-wide DEC connectors, that had a plastic spacer riveted between them, and about 6" of the spe

[cctalk] Re: VCF Midwest DEC "Nut" Party

2024-08-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/17/24 17:51, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: For all of you who are DEC computer nuts (or aficionados) we will have our second annual DEC "Nut" pizza get together after the show at my house on Saturday (Sept 7th) after 7PM. I am unemployed so I ask all who attend to contribute to the cost o

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/16/24 23:13, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:18 AM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 8/16/24 11:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:01 PM Kevin Anderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: I am surprised they ha

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/16/24 11:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:01 PM Kevin Anderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: I am surprised they have the estimated opening bids amounts for the DEC PDP-10 systems, as well as the IBM 7090, set so low. They can't be that numerous e

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS

2024-07-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
We were given an expensive device (X-ray fluorescence analyzer) that had a dying computer.  The instrument had an ISA bus card to interface to it.  I cloned the hard drive, and tried to get it to boot properly on a new "industrial" computer that had ISA slots. The original OS was DOS 3.1  That

[cctalk] Re: DEC RM03 / CDC 9762

2024-07-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 7/25/24 08:36, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: On 2024-07-25 09:05, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: On 7/25/24 07:59, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 25 Jul 2024, Tom Uban wrote: controllers (SC31, SC72). If you are interested in these items, I am looking to reduce my collection (I

[cctalk] Re: Pick system in Manitoba looking for a new home

2024-07-24 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 7/24/24 10:47, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Would anyone like to rescue a vintage Pick minicomputer in Manitoba, Canada? https://discuss.systems/@ahelwer/112836345012817998 « A wide ask here so please boost: my grandfather is trying to get rid of an old business computer, and I was wonde

[cctalk] Re: WTB: Signetics 2519 .. (Apple I components)

2024-07-23 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 7/22/24 21:41, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:05 PM Igor via cctalk wrote: Me and my buddy are building an Apple I replica, for now successfully. Recently we have tested the video signal :) However, we are having big problems (as you can imagine) with finding Signeti

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/27/24 10:41, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-06-27 9:22 a.m., Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: The idea of leaving these items behind and thinking our loved ones will see any value from selling is ludicrous, though, and I question the sanity of those who seriously believe this. While I am sure

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/25/24 18:50, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I think this is an appropriate time for this announcement. Over the many years I've been collecting, there have been more than several instances of a collector dying and their collection effectively being cast to the wind because their surviving

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

2024-06-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/25/24 15:51, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who could? I think he really thought he had more time on eart

[cctalk] Re: L. Conway

2024-06-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/19/24 11:40, Mychaela Falconia via cctalk wrote: Jon Elson wrote: WOW, sad news!\u00A0 Yes, very sad news indeed! Lynn's story was my inspiration back in 2013-2014; after coming across her story and reading it breathlessly, I started my own journey, following in her footsteps.

[cctalk] Re: L. Conway

2024-06-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/18/24 21:09, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Today I came across an obituary of Lynn Conway, computer pioneer in the field of VLSI(along with Carver Mead) and also in one called dynamic instruction scheduling(used in supercomputing world). More to the point Conway was transgender and suf

[cctalk] Re: tape duplicator program for pdp11

2024-06-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/14/24 15:51, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: Hi, Just got a real (Cipher M990 on TS05-emulating controller) tape drive running and would like to make exact copies of some [9-track] tapes "to guard against disaster." Probably will also do some imaging, so bonus if the candidate program ca

[cctalk] Re: tape duplicator program for pdp11

2024-06-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/14/24 15:51, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: Hi, Just got a real (Cipher M990 on TS05-emulating controller) tape drive running and would like to make exact copies of some [9-track] tapes "to guard against disaster." Probably will also do some imaging, so bonus if the candidate program ca

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/12/24 09:52, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 6/12/24 03:02, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: Fun factoid: despite modern x86 being clocked ~1000x faster than ye olde 6502, there's not much in it between them when it comes to interrupt response time. If all goes well, x86 takes &qu

[cctalk] Re: teletype roll as an RF termination load

2024-06-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/12/24 22:32, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: Is it possible they were thinking about really old FAX paper which might have been wet to support marking via an electric discharge through it (and to (slightly) reduce the frequency with which the receiving machine caught fire)? Yes, there was te

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/12/24 03:02, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: Fun factoid: despite modern x86 being clocked ~1000x faster than ye olde 6502, there's not much in it between them when it comes to interrupt response time. If all goes well, x86 takes "only" a hundred-ish cycles to do its book-keeping and jump t

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/8/24 20:52, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Is it Artronix or Artronics, out of Plainfield, New Jersey (according to the label, formally TechArt Systems 2000)? Because if the latter, I have one right here, though I can't tell you the model number because it is not displaying one. The ser

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/8/24 15:17, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 6/8/24 12:33, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 6/8/24 11:56, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 6/8/2024 7:43 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 6/7/24 20:42, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 6/7/2024 6:19 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/8/24 11:56, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 6/8/2024 7:43 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 6/7/24 20:42, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 6/7/2024 6:19 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: OK, I have to chime in here.  I worked for Artronix about 1972. The LINC computer was

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/7/24 20:42, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 6/7/2024 6:19 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: OK, I have to chime in here.  I worked for Artronix about 1972. The LINC computer was developed at MIT for use in biomedical research labs, and a bunch of people involved with it later moved

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/7/24 10:29, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Still valid? Personal Computer Milestones - Fun page that attempts to answer the question: "What was the first PC?" http://www.blinkenlights.com/pc.shtml OK, I have to chime in here.  I worked for Artronix about 1972. The LINC computer was develo

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-06-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/1/24 07:20, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 19:32, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: There's a story about a guy in Australia that found an abandoned IBM 360/30 in a storage/shipper's warehouse and dragged it to a rented office space that had no elevator. He

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-29 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/28/24 13:34, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: On 05/28/2024 1:05 PM CDT Sellam Abraham wrote: What if a corporation in 1970 purchased an IBM 360 for each of their employees for their individual personal use? Now what? Sellam 1. I don't believe ANYBODY could purchase a 360. You ha

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/28/24 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: Same concept as, if one guy living in a formerly industrial loft has water cooling, and 300 amp 3 phase power available, that does NOT make any computer requiring that "personal".  For that I'd say must be able to plug into 50% of all homes, but reali

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-05-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/28/24 10:00, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Au crontraire, I belive the first mobile phones were mostly purchased by corporations for their executives to use, if the executive left, the phone stayed with the corporation. Early mobile phones were NOT personal devices. In 1971 or 1972 I was

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/25/24 13:05, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: When announced and sold new, were the SIMON, LINC and G-15 sold and described as, in the exact words, "personal computer"? Did the guy with multiple supercomputers in his basement buy them NEW, to use them for their designed purpose? If not they

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/24/24 11:49, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: The problem with this debate is that the definition of Personal Computer is totally fluid and can be written so that the writers opinion is fact. Yes, the Bendix G-15 was said to be the first personal computer. It was as big as a refrigerator, and

[cctalk] Re: Thirties techies and computing history

2024-05-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/19/24 10:57, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I am seeing this hobby growing beyond my own expectations, and a lot of younger people are coming into it. Yes, I have been to two Vintage Computer Fests at the Chicago location.  Most of the people there are fairly young.  There are some old

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/16/24 15:15, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote: Micha That the board is TTL and 2 layer by the look of it makes reverse engineering rather more tractable : good luck. The 25p D pin outs for readers/punches seem substantially standardised, I believe the standard is RS-323 (all search attemp

[cctalk] Re: 5,34 Petaflop System Cheyenne

2024-05-04 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/4/24 10:21, W2HX via cctalk wrote: I wonder how well that machine would do at bitcoin mining Umm, it will consume about 4000 Dollars of electricity per day! That is not counting the cooling required, just the power input. that's about $15 million per year. Jon

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/2/24 05:55, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? To be perfectly honest I think the home computer boom wouldn't have happened, and it would h

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/1/24 18:43, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote: APL is very much alive - it was invented in the '60s. Lisp is slightly older and it, as well, is still in active use - and it's older than FORTRAN, which was the inspiration for BASIC. Lisp is VERY VERY much alive, but rarely seen.  The emacs ed

[cctalk] Re: Diablo Model 40 Series - Disturbed head positioning

2024-04-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
allow me to direct my research, which is why I need some advice ;) On 30/04/2024 19:05, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 4/30/24 10:46, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote: Hello everyone I need your help to identify an issue on my Diablo Model 40 Series. I don't know where to look, it

[cctalk] Re: Diablo Model 40 Series - Disturbed head positioning

2024-04-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/30/24 10:46, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote: Hello everyone I need your help to identify an issue on my Diablo Model 40 Series. I don't know where to look, it's so vast ! Here's the problem: When RUN is activated, the drive begins its spin up and simultaneously deploys the heads (no

[cctalk] Re: PCs in home vs businesses (70s/80s)

2024-04-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/27/24 17:02, ben via cctalk wrote: Did any one need REAL BCD math like the Big Boys had? No, this is a fallacy.  Binary arithmetic is as "accurate" as decimal.  Handling VERY large numbers in floating point loses some precision, but any computer can do multiple word binary quite well. 

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/22/24 19:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 4/22/2024 2:30 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 22, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Following along this line of thought but also in regards all our other small CPUs Would it not be possible to use something

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/22/24 16:06, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2024-04-22 5:21 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/22/24 13:02, Wayne S wrote: I read somewhere that the cable lengths were expressly engineered to provide that signals arrived to chips at nearly the same time so as to reduce chip “wait

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/19/24 21:07, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Gee! Have sales gone down? One more reason to use the 8080 subset when writing CP/M programs. Aren't there already some licensed second sources? Harris also made an all-CMOS plug-compatible Z-80.  I used it in a low-power project. Jon

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/19/24 20:57, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: As it is now, running z80 production must no longer be profitable for Zilog, but some other manufacturer can license z80 production. Right? If there is a demand someone will produce them Rochester Electronics might buy up the masks and uncut

[cctalk] Re: Other input devices.

2024-04-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/12/24 20:55, ben via cctalk wrote: Did any one ever use a keyboard to magtape as input device? I bought a surplus desktop key to tape machine made by Pertec.  It had a 7" 9-track drive in it, a small core memory and a field of light bulbs to show the read-back contents, as well as the ke

[cctalk] Re: Odd IBM mass storage systems

2024-04-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/12/24 20:21, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Apr 12, 2024, at 7:48 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: ... The other was to print on its "whippet" printer, a very fast electrostatic printer that put soot onto a thermal paper that was then heated to "fix" it. There was a huge variac under

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 11:19, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/10/24 08:17, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: The 360/20 had only halfword instructions, no float, no char strings. But, main storage was 16 bits wide. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "char strings", but SS instructions MVC

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360 and 1400 series emulation

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 07:18, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Nearly all the 360s were microcoded, so adding a bit more microcode let them emulate 1400/7000 series computers as a standard optional feature. (well the model 44 emulated the 1620, and probably the 95/195 could not emulate anything since they we

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 01:51, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 2024-04-09 at 22:21 -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/9/24 22:03, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-04-09 8:53 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: I had not realized the IBM 360 was 60 yrs. old this month. I worked on such a comp

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 00:21, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/9/24 22:03, ben via cctalk wrote: What model of a 360? 8K sounds a lot like a Model 20, which the purists may not consider to be a "real" member of the family. Yup, the /20 should have been called a System 180, as it was about half of a 3

[cctalk] Re: EMP was: oscilloscopes

2024-04-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/2/24 00:03, Just Kant via cctalk wrote: Accordimg to certain individuals on this list, going back a few years, electronics/computers can be damaged due to an electrical storm, presumably very intense activity, even while off. Go look through the archives. I have had two incidents where ne

[cctalk] Re: EMP was: oscilloscopes

2024-04-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/1/24 20:46, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote: On 4/1/24 17:42, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Will things like PDAs and tablets, powered off and stored inside steel ammo boxes survive? Yes, as will most contemporary electronics, even without elaborate protection. Right, I think there

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/17/24 11:11, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 3/17/24 09:13, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I have often wondered about the people we find in the various DEC Processor (and other) books.  Were they models in staged photo-sessions or were these candid shots from DEC facilities and if

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/17/24 09:13, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I have often wondered about the people we find in the various DEC Processor (and other) books.  Were they models in staged photo-sessions or were these candid shots from DEC facilities and if so, can anyone identify who they might be. I know

[cctalk] Re: recreating old computers [was: Paper tape in casettes...]

2024-02-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/27/24 20:34, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Again, even if somebody offered me a complete IBM model 30 with disk and tape drives, I could not afford the shipping. would A 360/30 could be a real problem.  It used air bags to push the microcode cards against the bit line boards.  Those air

[cctalk] Re: Paper tape in casettes...

2024-02-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/27/24 08:58, erik--- via cctalk wrote: Hi Jon! think the Bendix G-15 had cassettes for the 5-level tape they used. Aha, interesting! Did a short search, but have not been able to find a picture of a casette. Just a pile of paper tape instead ;-) https://images.app.goo.gl/HYqkpYHJUxZeGfiA

[cctalk] Re: Paper tape in casettes...

2024-02-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/27/24 00:17, Dr. Erik Baigar via cctalk wrote: I wonder whether anyone kows if someone else had the idea of putting paper/mylar tape into a casette for repeated use e.g. to load an OS or similar. I think the Bendix G-15 had cassettes for the 5-level tape they used. I had an optical re

[cctalk] Re: Turbo Prolog

2024-02-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/25/24 16:20, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: Turbo Pascal is even still available as its originators took it back from Borland and made it into Visual Prolog for Windows which has a free personal edition (the commercial license is only 100 euros too). Also there's GNU Prolog if you just want

[cctalk] Re: Vmebus

2024-01-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/30/24 11:09, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 1/29/24 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what make/model/config? Oh, also my Samsung-made pick and place machine has a 68020 to run the motion system, and a PC that runs

[cctalk] Re: Vmebus

2024-01-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/29/24 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what make/model/config? We have a Weiner VME system, specifically designed for nuclear data acquisition. I have a couple other VME crates with power supplies we use for the sam

[cctalk] Re: RIP: Software design pioneer and Pascal creator Niklaus Wirth

2024-01-04 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/4/24 15:49, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jan 4, 2024, at 4:32 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Evangelist of lean software and devisor of 9 programming languages and an OS was 89 https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/04/niklaus_wirth_obituary/ The great man has left us. Great man,

[cctalk] Re: Trouble with a Samsung monitor

2023-12-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 12/3/23 15:44, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: I have a formerly-gorgeous 27-inch Samsung monitor: Model LF27T350FHNXZA Serial 0AS1HCNR904588L S/W M-T3527FGGA-1006.1 that now has a minor defect. The "wallpaper" has a dim stripe about 1/6th of the screen width, top-to-bottom, about 1/6th from th

[cctalk] Re: Need a SCSI 1/2' tape drive

2023-11-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/14/23 18:34, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/14/23 16:12, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: Greetings all..  I'm looking for a Qualstar 1260S 1/2" tape system to review/recover data from a stack of early Landsat tapes that I came into a while back.  I'd prefer  the Qualstar SCSI system

[cctalk] Re: 11/15, 11/20 systems and parts, more

2023-10-21 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/20/23 11:46, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:11 PM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 10/20/23 03:59, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: The RICM has an empty 11/20 chassis and the power supply. All it needs is the processor backplanes. Is there any chance you have

[cctalk] Re: 11/15, 11/20 systems and parts, more

2023-10-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/20/23 03:59, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: The RICM has an empty 11/20 chassis and the power supply. All it needs is the processor backplanes. Is there any chance you have a set of backplanes available? I have a DD11-PK backplane (Part No. 70-11523) with a few bent pins.  None are be

[cctalk] Re: IBM 727 tape drive

2023-10-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/13/23 12:07, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote: The valve audio afficionados / suppliers also offer both wisdom and components, e.g. Ages ago I bought a Potter plug-compatible 9-track tape drive from a surplus shop.  It was designed as a 24xx compatible drive. I was used to Pertec unformat

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/7/23 17:18, KenUnix via cctalk wrote: Hi guys. Since I can't get out due to my stroke, be sure to post plenty of snaps of the event... Sorry to hear about that.  I had a very mild stroke 2 years ago, but it has affected dexterity in my right hand.  My writing is now horrible (my penmansh

[cctalk] Re: Setup for VCFMW

2023-09-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/7/23 09:35, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: What time is setup Tomorrow (Friday, 8-Sep-23) for VCFMW? They sent out a message to vendors that it would be open 10 AM to 10 PM, a few people would stay during the pizza dinner to allow latecomers to load their stuff. Jon

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/6/23 14:00, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Paul, I'm not an 11 expert but don't most instruction fetches (or the last clock phase on an instruction) cause the pc to increment by one? PDP-11 instructions are 16-bit.  Since memory is byte-addressed, the instruction counter should normally in

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/6/23 12:08, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Reminds me of the "PDP-11 trivia contest" that was held at DECUS, I think on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the PDP-11. If so that would have been 2000. I still have the poster that went with it somewhere. And I remember the question I

[cctalk] Re: NS32k software on Ebay

2023-09-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/6/23 06:19, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: There have been a number of Ebay listings for various ns32k software, QIC tapes and 1/2 inch tapes. I thought I would buy them if there were no other bids to try to recover the contents. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225759541222 https://www.ebay.com/itm

[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)

2023-09-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/2/23 14:49, ben via cctalk wrote: $ 30 mininum order and 4 weeks shipping to canada stopped me. $12.06 US from china. (ebay). I am having my PCB's made from PCBWAY in china. Shipping takes longer than them being made. ~ $100 US for the PCB's and ~ $50 for shipping and tax. I have been us

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW Anybody got an Emulex QD21?

2023-09-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/1/23 10:54, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote: If you can't get help at the VCF - MW (which I don't doubt), and your MicroVAx II has a DELQA or DEQNA network adapter, then I know of two other elegant ways to back up the data from your ESDI disk: Either: configure your MicroVAX II into a

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-09-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/1/23 14:38, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: With all this talk about Friden and Singer, perhaps someone can help me jog my memory. We were working on a contract that, as remote terminals, included a card reader (singer) and a printing terminal (singer also). The terminal consisted of a leadsc

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW Anybody got an Emulex QD21?

2023-09-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
I will be going to the VCF - MW.  Does anybody have an Emulex QD21 that could dump a hard drive for me?  I ran a uVAX II at home of 21 years.  Sometime back about 2000 or so, I upgraded to a cast-off SCSI disk, which eventually died.  I didn't have a convenient backup solution for the SCSI dis

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/30/23 17:14, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: When s-100 machines came out, they were standalone. The serial port was for sending serial data not for a terminal. You would have to write some software to use it with a terminal. Well, maybe, I did have a home made S-100 system in 1976 with limite

[cctalk] VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
I know I was a little late in making a reservation for a vendor table at the VCF MW. But, last year they were able to fit me in.  Now, I have made my request, and not heard ANYTHING whatsoever, even that they are working on it.  The VCFMW web site was last updated in JUNE! Does anybody know w

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-29 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/29/23 06:30, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Oh baloney. As long as the backplane pins are not mushed these are surprisingly easy to fix and mouse crap can be vacuumed out and cleaned off the cards and pins. The thing that drove me the most nuts was finding a backplane wire that had worn th

[cctalk] Re: Logic Analyzers - HP/Agilent 16700B or 1670G?

2023-08-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 12:05 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Hello all.  I looking around for a Logic Analyzer for doing (mostly) DEC QBus/UniBus stuff.  Being the way I am I want something with enough lines to handle the most of the signals so I'm guessing

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