Fully 20% of those murders occurred during a crime, aka the commission of a
felony, and therefore open to death in the applicable state.
Something off topic, but relevant to another conversation we have had from
time to time. Did anyone who looked notice that brawls while high had less
than half
Hi all,
I'm planning to offer training here in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Area (or
on-site at client locations pending proper facilities and
transportation expenses) and am currently seeking requests for content
to be included in my training classes.
I already have several items I plan to include which
> According to the FBI, in 2002 the total number of murders
> reported was 14,054. Of that, there were 73 "gangland
> killings" and 911 "juvenile gang killings".
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_>
02/html/web/offreported/02-nmurder03.html
Just out of curiosity, how many of those were convicted?
[
scary, real scary
larry
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>
>- Jim
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> > Things like Columbine, crazed postal workers, and serial
> > killers are the exception that makes headlines because they
> > are so extreme.
>
> What about drive-by's?
According to the FBI, in 2002 the total number of murders reported was
14,054. Of that, there were 73 "gangland killings" and
> Things like Columbine, crazed postal workers, and serial
> killers are the exception that makes headlines because they
> are so extreme.
What about drive-by's?
Or do they never go to prison, so they don't have to worry about them
being on parole :-P
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Wow.
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> I recently switched from bourbon to single malt whisky. The quality stuff
> really is worth it, IMHO. Very smooth, with an aroma you can truly savor.
>
> My current scotch is a Macallan 12-year single malt, but I'm upgrading to
> the 18-year Macallan starting with my next purchase. I drink ver
> Oooh, "good behaviour" - I'm sorry that I killed 20 people, but I've
> been a good boy since then - can you let me out now?
You're talking about extreme situations. Most homicides are negligent and
involve one person accidentally killed. After that, it's mostly
spouse/relative murders and from w
> Not quite as severe, a 25 year sentence can be repealed if
> new evidence proves the wrong person was incarcerated, not so
> easy to do if the convict is now in a grave. Appeals still
> have their place, but usually don't go on so long as a death
> penalty case do to the finality of the sent
> We should still have an appeals process, just a much shorter one.
One or two appeals should cover everything and if it's still decided
that they're guilty, then guess what - THEY'RE GUILTY
Think of a mass murderer who is sentenced to several hundred years (yes,
it happens :P) - they have the re
Rush is on tour again!
I can't wait, June 13th in Kansas City. I may catch the June 12th show in
Saint Louis as well.
This will be my 15th Rush Concert.
I heard they are getting Music DVD of the year.
Rick
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I may be walking off a short pier here ... but what if someone was
answering a post about code, and wanted to include an entire code
snippet that was longer than 8 or 10 or 20 lines
what if the new list code REQUIRED them to wrap that code in a
type tag?
You know what I mean? Then you
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>
>> I have been paying a bit attention to how much I quote and I think 8 lines
>> would be insufficient for cf-talk. If I want to quote for instance a table
>> schema, that usually is more then 8 lines.
>
> What would you suggest?
I'm nt really sure I can think of any li
now I have to try raclette...hadn't heard of that.
*enjoying Sage Darby with lunch today*
will
tryer of all things cheese...
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and that would just be unacceptable."
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> I have been paying a bit attention to how much I quote and I think 8 lines
would be insufficient for cf-talk. If I want to quote for instance a table
schema, that usually is more then 8 lines.
What would you suggest?
> And on the "--- Original Message ---" thing: how about letting that be
tri
He didn't quit. He stopped campaigning, but left his name on the ballet.
Basically, he's angling to keep his name active without any work and then
try for the VP slot. Clark quit. Liberman quit. Dean is just in 'rest' mode.
> Not surprising...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/elec04.p
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> I've just added a new feature to the archives where a post that has 8 or
> more quoted lines will have those lines removed. This will only happen when
> the quoted lines are prefixed with a closing angle bracket (>). I've set the
> number to 8+ lines to allow people to mak
> > I've run across a couple of interesting fondue variations on Emmentaler
> and
> > Gruyere as a fondue sauce. Perhaps we could get Adam Churvis to
comment -
> > our resident chef/gourmand. ;)
Patrick Harkins is quite literally an expert on cheese from a cheesemaker's
point of view, so he can te
"This was very opportune timing, as she told me a few months ago that she needed a new PC for work because her Pentium II just wasn't cutting it anymore. There was no money in the company budget to upgrade her PC so I told her I'd build a PC from the spare parts I had laying around."
This dude had
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Fonduing a Scotch is not really a matter of selecting a quality Scotch,
it's a matter of finding a meaty one. Scotch tend to be impoverished and
rarely have good grazing habits. Keep one in your backyard for about a
month and fatten it up with your scraps, the things are so dumb they can
rarely ope
>> Don't know much about Scotch. Any recommendations?
> Ideally, it should be brown.
And gently poured down the drain (with all the other caustic agents.)
Jerry Johnson
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>> Don't know much about Scotch. Any recommendations?
Ideally, it should be brown.
- Jim
Kevin Graeme wrote:
>>I've run across a couple of interesting fondue variations on Emmentaler
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>Gruyere as a fondue sauce. Perhaps we could get Adam Churvis to comment -
>>our resident
fondue is good but if you like it, you really should try raclette.
Basically, you take a wheel of cheese and hold it up against a heating
element. Then you skim off the molten and crusty part and eat it with a
potato or pickle or piece of bread.
DRE
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> I've run across a couple of interesting fondue variations on Emmentaler
and
> Gruyere as a fondue sauce. Perhaps we could get Adam Churvis to comment -
> our resident chef/gourmand. ;)
Now I have to have fondue. Just checked with my partner and we're going to a
local place that has this:
Creamy
Sorry for yelling at you, appreciate your intention.
>> WHAT?
>> Forget about everything for now, the content of CFHTTP is saved in the
>CFHTTP.FileContent
>> variable, now in CFMX6.1, you have to say it's file.filecontent or do you
>mean
>> they are interchangable?
>
>My mistake. In CF 4 it was #
I've run across a couple of interesting fondue variations on Emmentaler and
Gruyere as a fondue sauce. Perhaps we could get Adam Churvis to comment -
our resident chef/gourmand. ;)
larry
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Just like this.
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Kevin said
> I will only go along with this if I can get a good Chicago style dog at the
> event. And maybe a corn dog. And hot pretzels with brown mustard. Do you
> think cheese fondue is out of the question?
Only if the fondue is the good kind, with Emmentaler and Gruyere, and not cheese whiz. T
BUT - if the state is going to incarcerate somebody for 25+ years of
their life, should they also be very, very, very sure that they are
improsing the right person?
If not, then they're taking a rather "lax" attitude towards imprisoning
people
Philip Arnold.
Not quite as severe, a 25 year sent
> Where we, the society as a whole get to derive enjoyment from the
suffering
> of convicted crimminals. Now I know this sounds severe, but I think we
> should come up with a deadly game sort of like "the running man". I think
> you will all agree that the positive reinforcement garnered from such
> WHAT?
> Forget about everything for now, the content of CFHTTP is saved in the
CFHTTP.FileContent
> variable, now in CFMX6.1, you have to say it's file.filecontent or do you
mean
> they are interchangable?
My mistake. In CF 4 it was #file.filecontent#. In MX it's
#cfhttp.filecontent#.
> "The bo
Forgot to mention that this particular program was defunded by the previous
Virginia Governor.
larry
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From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:04 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Yeah!!
Has it ever been really tried? The reason
Has it ever been really tried? The reason why reform efforts have not worked
is that they have never been given the opportunity to work.
In grad school, one of the courses I took was seminar/practicum on Community
Psychology. One of the areas we studied was behaviorally based prison reform
efforts
WHAT?
Forget about everything for now, the content of CFHTTP is saved in the CFHTTP.FileContent
variable, now in CFMX6.1, you have to say it's file.filecontent or do you mean
they are interchangable?
"The bonus is that cfhttp works much better with MX at getting things..."
MX? 6.0 or 6.1? I'm alr
> >There have been at least five high-profile death row cases in the
> >Baltimore area that have been overturned as a result of DNA testing. In
> >one case, an innocent man lost 32 years of his life because the state
> >proved, to the satisfaction of a jury, he was the killer.
>
> >M
>
> Do you hav
Yeah. Treat capital punishment like and other form of cruel and unusual
punishment.
Everybody complains about Johnny Cochrain. Barry Scheck has actually
been doing something with his life besides making money.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/
Do you know how hard it is to get the state to share
CHEF AID :)
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Yes but I'd rather it shoved under the rug than in my face with a gun and a
request for money!!
DRE
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From: Harkins, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:50 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Yeah!!
What rehabilitation? Seems to me the
What if we created a new, third type of "corrective action" called
funishment
Where we, the society as a whole get to derive enjoyment from the suffering
of convicted crimminals. Now I know this sounds severe, but I think we
should come up with a deadly game sort of like "the running man". I thi
What rehabilitation? Seems to me the whole prison system is mostly a
shove-it-under-the-rug kind of affair.
-Patrick
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I think we punish. Rehabilitation hasn't worked.
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We should have mandantory DNA testing in all death penalty cases. The
death penalty should be forbidden in cases where this is not possible.
M
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From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:45 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Yeah!!
We
>There have been at least five high-profile death row cases in the
>Baltimore area that have been overturned as a result of DNA testing. In
>one case, an innocent man lost 32 years of his life because the state
>proved, to the satisfaction of a jury, he was the killer.
>M
Do you have a better ide
We should still have an appeals process, just a much shorter one.
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>> Here is the link to the vaunted Chewbacca defense.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, my sides hurt. My eyes water. I cannot stop laughing. Everyone in my
office wanted to read that!
I have never, ever, in all the decades my eyes have perceived light,
heard of something so funny. You are brilliant fo
All good suggestions Mike, and if I could be so bold as to add one...
For those of us who use the web interface, it's tough to quote part of a post, especially if we wish to "Post a new reply in this thread". Perhaps you could set it up so that the thread displays under the textarea to facilitate
>I think a fundamental question is whether prison is for rehabilitation or
>punishment. What is considered pandering by the punishment side may be seen
>as a means of rehabilitation by the other side.
>-Kevin
I think we punish. Rehabilitation hasn't worked.
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Lawyers and court costs.
You get a lot of appeals before they fry you,
That's the piece that needs to be reformed as far as I am concerned.
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Phillip -
Not to put too fine a point on it, but (IIRC) you are white. There are many, many
data that have consistently shown that the system in place today is very heavily
slanted against minorities. It starts with access to defense and includes the racial
makeup of a jury and many other things.
Here is the link to the vaunted Chewbacca defense.
http://www.connect-dots.com/Poofs/chewbacca.html
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From: John Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Yeah!!
>>Our current legal system is predicated on sophistry, not fact.
I thought he said it was going to be automatic?
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>>Our current legal system is predicated on sophistry, not fact.
Actual transcripts from a Johnie Cochrane trial:
Gerald (Whispering): Dammit. [...] He's using the Chewbacca defense.
Johnny Cochrane: Why would a Wooky, an eight-foot-tall Wooky, want to live
on Endor with a bunch of two-foot-tall
That delicate satin draped frail?
0_0
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and that would just be unacceptable."
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> I thought that the whole point of the legal system was to find people
> guilty or innocent of a crime - if they're proven guilty, then they have
> been judged to have done the crime - end of story
Being found legally guilty is not always the same as being factually guilty
as DNA evidence is show
For arguments sake lets say it takes 10 years to go from conviction to
execution for someone who is genuinely guilty. With due process, appeals
etc, it takes about 10 years. Then factor in the costs of the appeals up to
the Supreme Court, as well as how much it costs on a per prisoner basic for
max
> What you didn't factor in is the legal costs of all the
> appeals that go into a death penalty case. If the state is
> going to kill a person, they have to be very, very, very sure
> they are killing the right person and this usually requires
> such cases to go to at least a state supreme co
How can I create a link to:
\\machinename\printers in HTML?
quick answers only - I'll research later today.
Eric
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Prison is punishment these days. Period.
Supermax prisons are the best example of this. They make no effort to do
anything beyond locking down prisoners. Most people spend only 60
minutes outside their cells on any given day, if that.
M
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I think a fundamental question is whether prison is for rehabilitation or
punishment. What is considered pandering by the punishment side may be seen
as a means of rehabilitation by the other side.
-Kevin
And I feel this is a major contribution to the failure of prisons. It is unclear whether
Not surprising...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/elec04.prez.main/index.html
I'm most concerned that people who threw themselves into his campaign
will, if Nader runs again, move to a Green candidate if they view Kerry
or Edwards as not liberal enough. Not that Dean was as liberal a
We're upgrading right now, and my CFHTTP calls worked after I rewrote them
slightly.
Basically, for some reason I had this:
processing logic including outputting the #file.filecontent#
The obvious problem is where the end cfhttp call is. Doing this solved any
problems:
processing logic incl
Plus, they often get their own special pupose built prison which aint that
cheap either.
The money is one thing but when you look historically at the amount of
people executed that are later found to be innocent, you really rethink.
Theres a good movie about this with Kevin Spacey called call
I disagree. What is wrong with the death penalty is not that the state
cannot prove it's case concretely, it is that they prove their case
concretely against the wrong person in too many cases.
There have been at least five high-profile death row cases in the
Baltimore area that have been overturn
If you use the dealth penalty, you have to pay for all the items you
mentioned plus years of attorney's fees, judge's salaries, special
charges in the prisoner's defense which go back to the state, court
administration fees, etc. plus this all this takes valuable time away
from the courts. If you f
What you didn't factor in is the legal costs of all the appeals that go into a death penalty case. If the state is going to kill a person, they have to be very, very, very sure they are killing the right person and this usually requires such cases to go to at least a state supreme court level, if
> So, how can 20+ years of keeping them in prison cost more than the
> execution? Unless someone is REALLY ripping off the state, then you're
> gonna save Millions, aren't you?
IIRC, it's mostly legal costs.
> I'm not pro or anti execution, just anti the way we "pander" to
> criminals who are in
Hi,
I have not had a good experience of upgrading from CF5.x to CF6.0 at the request/urge of two MM R&D staff (actually via HOF) back about six months ago. My platform is Windows XP. The key reason for me to consider the move is the current version's "bug, not?" in CFHTTP tag's https call. The
It works that way, because a death penalty case must go through automatic
appeals (which is why it takes 20-25 years to actually enforce the penalty).
The cost of the appeals cases through all of the courts is also added to the
costs of keeping a death penalty prisoner.
I'm just wondering how th
> Based on what I've read, due to our legal system it:
> 1.) actually costs more
I'm just wondering how this works...
You don't have the death penalty, you have to pay for the person to be
in prison for 25+ years, this includes food, water, clothing, guards,
property for the prison (the space cou
> http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm18514_20040218.htm
>
>
> Cant wait to vote on this one
I won't try to tell you how to vote, but I strongly encourage you to read
empirical, non-emotional arguments for both sides.
For myself, while the death penalty may feel satisfying and "right", it
How about these as 'suggestions'
1. When replying to a post, please remove the information about who you are
replying to. In Outlook Express, this is prefixed with the text "-
Original Message - ". This information is not needed and can actually be
detrimental. If left in a post, it will b
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm18514_20040218.htm
Cant wait to vote on this one
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You can include the relevent bits you need. Everyone here mostly knows
what the topic is though ... And you need to give them some credit for
that.
Leaving the email address in the post is not necessary and may help with
SPAM somewhere down the road ...
No one needs the subject line again, nor the
> Why would you want to put me on a ledge, a right angled
> projection at that..oh wait, you mean lynch :)
Mah In-gur-lish bee nun two gud todai :-P
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> From: Ian Skinner
>
> PHHHBTTHERE, you can just remove me from you list.
> Turned off include original message when replying. Now most
> likely will forget to include anything at all and can really
> confuse people.
Now we don't know what you're referring to :-P
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Why would you want to put me on a ledge, a right angled projection at
that..oh wait, you mean lynch :)
> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Arnold [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: First Offender (was RE: Yay me!)
>
> LINCH HIM
At the same time, I prefer including the post I am replying to, on occasion
for more complete understanding you need also to include the relevant parts
of the post that person was responding to.
larry
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Pontius Pilate was a cylon
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Larry! Trim your posts! We're on a campaign to help Mikey and the rest
of the community read the archives better!
And save bandwidth!!! :D
Cheers,
Erika
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>>| From: Lyons, Larry
>>|
>>| The same here. Right up there with reruns of Hogan's Hero
> 5. He went out of his way to use the parts of the NT that are
> the most negative about the Jews. The line "his blood is on
> the Jews" is only said in Mathew and is one of the MAIN
> sources of Christian attacks on Jews over the years.
I'm a practicing Christian. It is my belief that the bl
Oh oh oh ... Another email address and post non-trimmer culprit ...
** wags finger **
Shame!
** adds Jim to the list **
Gel
Marlon
Larry
Ian
Kevin (Graeme)
Jim
Cheers,
Erika
Being militant for a slim-lined tomorrow :D
>>| -Original Message-
>>| From: Jim Davis
>>| Subject: RE:
The same here. Right up there with reruns of Hogan's Heroes, and live carp
baiting on the fishing channel.
larry
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From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:55 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion"
I'm using a view to filter messages to show only unread messages by conversation topic (subject). I would really like to have it be unread OR flagged messages by conversation topic. I have been unable to set up Microsoft Outlook (not express) to do this for me.
Can any of you OE guru's out there
Yeah. that's pretty much my opinion too.
I've liked Gibson's work in the past tremendously. which is one reason why I
try to ignore personal information about celebrities. Basically I don't
really care about their personal lives and am not willing to risk my
enjoyment of entertainment by learni
PHHHBTTHERE, you can just remove me from you list. Turned off include original message when replying. Now most likely will forget to include anything at all and can really confuse people.
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] > So your refering to people who quote but who's software does not add
] > in the 'required' prefixes on quoted lines?
]
] Yes.
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There have been a LOT of articles out on this and I actually have links to
many (automatically) through google. If you go to houseoffusion.com/news and
click on the Judaism section, you should see a few article links. They go
back for weeks.
(The CF news there has some non-CF stuff as well. People
I read that article as well...it was a good 5 pages long and says Just
about the same thing that Michael stated with regards to Pilate and how
he was represented in the movie.
>From this, I gather that there is definitely some propaganda going on
where the movie is concerned.
-Gel
-Ori
I might get around to watching it when it comes out on cable. If there isn't
something else more pertinent to my life on like a rerun of the PowerPuff
Girls or Queer Eye.
-Kevin
> This one is at the top of my "Must see."
> D.
>
> Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
[yadda, yadda,
> 1. To review the film you had to be invited and sign an NDA that said you
> would only write good things about it. i.e. no trashing it.
and so forth...
There's a very good article in last week's Newsweek about the movie and
where it strays from history. It also points out that the Gospels themse
1. To review the film you had to be invited and sign an NDA that said you
would only write good things about it. i.e. no trashing it.
2. He (or his company or someone) made a statement that the Pope said 'it is
as it was'. The Vatican rejected that report. As Gibson is NOT Catholic, it
makes the re
I just checked the CF-Talk archives, and I found them much, much easier
to read.
I was wondering if an option could be made to deliver the Digests in the
same format.
That is:
An option for receiving rich HTML digests, that includes the auto-trim
code.
There would also be a hyperlink fr
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> So your refering to people who quote but who's software does not add
> in the 'required' prefixes on quoted lines?
Yes.
Jochem
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** wrings hands, looks around. Sighs. Rubs face. Wrings hands again.
Stomps foot. Paces across office. Slings back a cup of tea. Taps fingers
on desk. **
Oh HELL! Sure! Why not you nasty nasty nasty man! :P :D LOL
** adds Kevin G to the list **
Gel
Marlon
Larry
Ian
Kevin (Graeme)
Cheers,
E
Like me.
-Kevin
> > There are very few people that quote partial posts under their own
> message.
> You would be surprised.
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I like it!
> We need a little flash program that we can put peoples faces up and pelt
> them with muffins hee hee hee ^_^
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> It shouldn't be rejected. People should receive a reply asking them to
consider the effects of their quoting behaviour on the signal to noise ratio
in the archives, the effect on the amount of spam the people they quote get,
the bandwidth cost, the fact that the netiquette specifically says to qu
> Well, he's altered it enough to pull out the things that were
> the most likly to cause anti-semetic attacks and added in
> 'flashbacks' to make it softer.
> Personally, I don't trust Gibson. I don't trust his actions,
> his games or his intent. I have hope for the future but
Why don't yo
> >> The messages having large amounts of rubbish at the bottom but without
the
> >> quotes are cluttering the archives much more. I can't really think of
a way
> >> to remove them automagically without significant risk of deleting too
much.
> >
> > Which do you mean?
>
> I think the following lin
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