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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> west virginia is a whole other world than virginia
>
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west virginia is a whole other world than virginia
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes it does. But then again unlike some who are ignorant of anything
> outside of their own small neighbourhood, I have an idea of the outside
> world.
>
> >Sorry, I left o
Yes it does. But then again unlike some who are ignorant of anything outside of
their own small neighbourhood, I have an idea of the outside world.
>Sorry, I left out the S as if that makes a huge difference
>
>>>btw its Northern Virginia. Some people have no sense of direction.
~~~
whoopsie the link on the creator-navel:
http://www.mythinglinks.org/ct~creation2.html
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> for that matter the Navaho religion has a creator. Well, more than one if I
> uderstand the myth correctly.
>
> http://www.lapahie.com/Creation.
for that matter the Navaho religion has a creator. Well, more than one if I
uderstand the myth correctly.
http://www.lapahie.com/Creation.cfm
The celts have a creator who is a mare:
http://www.druidry.org/obod/druid-path/myths/creation.html
the inuit, the daughter of giants:
http://www.painsley
Sorry, I left out the S as if that makes a huge difference
>I thought you went to school in WV
>
>Not that there's anything wrong with that:)
>
>>I guess it was too advanced for your pointy little head.
>>
>>btw its Northern Virginia. Some people have no sense of direction.
~
Never did.
Just batting a 1000 today aren't you.
>I thought you went to school in WV
>
>Not that there's anything wrong with that:)
>
>>I guess it was too advanced for your pointy little head.
>>
>>btw its Northern Virginia. Some people have no sense of direction.
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"The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law, and they are
to be found only in the holy scriptures ... [and] are found upon comparison to
be really part of the original law of nature. Upon these two foundations, the
law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human la
>>C'mon Sam, quoting from the Declaration, as an example to bolster the
>>claim that the *Constitution* establishe[d] the United States on
>>[Judeo-Christian ideas] is dishonest on its face.
>
> I'll always be wrong if you always alter my comments
I didn't alter *your* comment, I altered my own be
I thought you went to school in WV
Not that there's anything wrong with that:)
>I guess it was too advanced for your pointy little head.
>
>btw its Northern Virginia. Some people have no sense of direction.
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I got the impression he was more in agreement with the Hebrew bible while not
happy with the new Testament but believed in Christ.
>
>Overall, from his body of writings, Jefferson definitely favored secular
>government. His writings on his personal feelings and religion may have
>oscillated, but
I guess it was too advanced for your pointy little head.
btw its Northern Virginia. Some people have no sense of direction.
> Curly wrote:>
> Haa haa! That W Virginia humor is funny
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Now jim, don't go confusing
>Which it isn't, as other have helpfully pointed out.
I did not read any convincing points.
>C'mon Sam, quoting from the Declaration, as an example to bolster the
>claim that the *Constitution* establishe[d] the United States on
>[Judeo-Christian ideas] is dishonest on its face.
I'll always be
It was a stupid question that was meant to deflect the discussion.
>I noticed this question was completely ignored.not surprisingly.
>
>This really is the heart of the matter when you hear someone say "The
>country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles".
>
>Yep, it was founded on Buddhist
> Sam wrote:
> No, he believed in Christ, he just had a problem with the Gosples.
>
Dude.
* The guy said Conyers Middleton was, "... the basis of my own faith."
* He re-wrote the Bible REMOVING Christ from it
* He rarely attended church and was not a member of any Christian Chruch
So you make
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:11 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: McCain - US is a Christian Nation,a President
> should be a Judeo Christian.
>
> No, he believed in Christ, he just had a
Another important factor involving the Treaty of Tripoli is that according to
the Constitution, signed and ratified treaties have a higher category than
anything else, except for the constitution itself. What that means is that the
declaration of the US not being a Christian nation means that no
- US is a Christian Nation,a President should
be a Judeo Christian.
Hee hee...this is the question that cannot be answered by the "USA is a
Christian nation" crowd.
It's rare that one of our ideological discussions reaches a true
"endgame"...but this is
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> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:01 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: McCain - US is a Christian Nation,a President
> should be a Judeo Christian.
>
> > Mo wrote:
> > The
Hee hee...this is the question that cannot be answered by the "USA is a
Christian nation" crowd.
It's rare that one of our ideological discussions reaches a true
"endgame"...but this is it.
Anybody got any Friday Funnies?
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
Sam wrote:
> ...
> I didn't
> ...
> I didn't.
>
Then what did you claim? What is your argument in a simple and straight
forward statement?
I heard you claim that the United States was created on Judo-Christian
principals, see they used the word 'Creator' in the Declaration of
Independence.
I noticed this question was completely ignored.not surprisingly.
This really is the heart of the matter when you hear someone say "The
country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles".
Yep, it was founded on Buddhist principles too...and Muslim
principles...and.
If you cannot answer th
A more accurate assessment might be the Philosphy of Jesus versus the
Dogma of Paul.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> You might want to read up on The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and
>> Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled
>>
Curly wrote:>
Haa haa! That W Virginia humor is funny
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now jim, don't go confusing the poor boy with facts. You know they make his
> little brains hurt.
> HA! I'm kind of embarassed to say that all the facts I've been
> beating you down with I basically learned in a musical, 1776.
I'm kind of embarassed to say you haven't presentented any facts.
> But now for the really funny part (not to you, Sam):
>
> Well, after I responded to you mistaken no
No, he believed in Christ, he just had a problem with the Gosples.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So you're saying that Jefferson, an intellectual, messed around with
> REMOVING the faith-part from the Christian Bible and that somehow
> *supports* what you
Perhaps in a "we don't belong to you anymore" sense, but not in the
sense that anything in the Declaration would form the foundation of
laws. Too bad, cause I rather like the line that says "That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the cons
> Mo wrote:
> The Declaration was not written as an establishment document, but
> rather a document of severance from England.
Which is the foundations of establishment IMO, but tomato/tomahto
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The Declaration was not written as an establishment document, but
rather a document of severance from England. But even if you take the
quote from the Declaration regarding the Creator, that in no way
establishes the US as a Judeo Christian nation. Jefferson's
post-constitutional take on religiou
> WillBo wrote:
>> However it is a foundational document and as such can be looked to for
>> precedent.
>
> ummm... no.
>
>
U ... why? Both are founded on Republicanism but it ain't like
they're exactly unrelated ...
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> However it is a foundational document and as such can be looked to for
> precedent.
ummm... no.
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and that would just be unacceptable."
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> Mo wrote:
> The Declaration of Independence has no force of law in the US.
However it is a foundational document and as such can be looked to for
precedent.
The more interesting question to me is this:
Let's say Sam's erroneous proposition about Judeo-Christian values
were accurate - should we
> I never made that claim.
> I just said it was based on Judeo-Chritian ideas
Which it isn't, as other have helpfully pointed out. So I'll revise
the following paragraph:
>> C'mon Sam, quoting from the Declaration, as an example to bolster the
>> claim that the *Constitution* establishes the Unit
The Declaration of Independence has no force of law in the US. The
constitution has no mention of God or religion beyond the 1st
amendment statement Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
The founding fathers had no intention
Some points to consider on the entire issue. First there is George Washington's
letter to Moses Seixas, in which Washington defended religious freedom for Jews
("For happily, the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no
sanction, to persecution no assistance"
John Adams when h
>> should be a Judeo Christian.
>
>As you can see, the letter declaring our intention to create a better
>society does mention God. Well... a generic "creator". Once. And no
>mention of religion.
>
>However the document defining that new society (one that was better vetted,
>more debated and by
> gruss wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> You might want to read up on The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and
>> Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled
>>
>
> Accurate title. Jesus of Nazareth vs. Jesus Christ, Son of God.
>
HA! I'm kind of embarassed to say that all the facts I've been
beatin
Wrong as usual. Part of the basis of the constitution was the constitution of
the Six Nations Confederacy - ie the Iroquois, a grouping that by any stretch
of the imagination could not be considered Christian. Moreover your so called
Judeo-Christian values existed long before Christianity, in Gr
> Sam wrote:
> You might want to read up on The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and
> Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled
>
Accurate title. Jesus of Nazareth vs. Jesus Christ, Son of God.
Thus you're saying that Jefferson didn't believe in Jesus as the Son
of God, but he liked his
> Sam wrote:
> Maybe you should read the Jefferson Bible.
>
So you're saying that Jefferson, an intellectual, messed around with
REMOVING the faith-part from the Christian Bible and that somehow
*supports* what you're saying?
Cause it sound to me like he was removing Son of God part from Jesus
ph
You might want to read up on The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and
Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> Proves my point.
>>
>
> As has been pointed out twice to you now the drafter was Jefferson
> Sam wrote:
> Proves my point.
>
As has been pointed out twice to you now the drafter was Jefferson who
was Deist who also use the word "God"; but their "God" is a different
concept than the Judeo-Christian "God".
Franklin wanted to remove the word "God" because he wanted no
ambiguity on refere
Maybe you should read the Jefferson Bible.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Morgan wrote:
>> Easy, it isn't. Judeo-Christian's don't have the sole use of the term.
>
> The best argument is that that passage was drafted by Jefferson and
> edited by Franklin
> Name 3 specific "Judeo-Christian" ideas that are specific and unique
> to that tradition vs. others.
the aqueduct?
oh wait... n/m
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> Sam wrote:
> I never made that claim.
> I just said it was based on Judeo-Chritian ideas
>
Name 3 specific "Judeo-Christian" ideas that are specific and unique
to that tradition vs. others.
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I never made that claim.
I just said it was based on Judeo-Chritian ideas
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:59 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
>> that they are endowed by their
>> Creator with certain unalienable Rig
Proves my point.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>>> "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-Christian term.
>>
>> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
>>
>
> If you read the history of that particular line
> Sam wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson was Christian.
>
If by "was" you mean "wasn't" then yeah:
Jefferson, as president, rarely attended church services and was
famously not a member of any Christian church. Further, in a letter
to John Adams, Jefferson specifically named Conyers Middleton, a
Deist,
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:42 PM, morgan l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
>
> Easy, it isn't. Judeo-Christian's don't have the sole use of the term. In
> context, it was a Deist term, which most Christians I know scoff at, and
> accuse them of n
I never said it was a Christian nation, just it was based on
Judeo-Christian ideas
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ONe thing to consider is that the first treaty signed by the nation of the
> united states, the treaty of tripoli explicly states that the U
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can you say that being a 'Judeo-Christian' term excludes it from
> being an 'Islamic', 'Pagen', 'Hindue' or any other religion's term?
> Judeo-Christians have a monopoly on creators?
I didn't
>> Claiming the bible plagi
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> From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:31 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: McCain - US is a Christian Nation,a President
> should be a Judeo Christian.
>
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> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
> they are endowed by their
> Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
> and the pursuit of
> Happiness.
C'mon Sam, quoting from the Declaration, as an example to bolster the
claim
> Morgan wrote:
> Easy, it isn't. Judeo-Christian's don't have the sole use of the term.
The best argument is that that passage was drafted by Jefferson and
edited by Franklin - who were Deists!
* Jefferson, as president, rarely attended church services and was
famously not a member of any Chris
> Sam wrote:
>> "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-Christian term.
>
> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
>
If you read the history of that particular line I think you'll find
that it was specifically edited by Benjamin Franklin TO REMOVE any
reference
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:19 PM, sam morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-Christian
> term.
>
> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
Easy, it isn't. Judeo-Christian's don't have the sole use of the term. In
context, i
ONe thing to consider is that the first treaty signed by the nation of the
united states, the treaty of tripoli explicly states that the US is not a
Christian nation, to quote Article 11:
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any
sense, founded on the Christi
sam morris wrote:
>> "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-Christian term.
>>
>
> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
>
How can you say that being a 'Judeo-Christian' term excludes it from
being an 'Islamic', 'Pagen', 'Hindue' or any other religion
Doesn't every religion have a "Creator"after all, isn't that the
point of any religion...to explain how we were created?
On Jun 19, 2008, at 3:19 PM, sam morris wrote:
>> "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-
>> Christian term.
>
> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how ca
> "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-Christian term.
It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
> It is, in point of context with the Foynding Fathers, a Deist term. If the
Declaration of Independence were meant to be a Christian or Judeo-Christian
document, i
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I can't believe I'm going to actually bite on this one...
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:30 PM, sam morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/the_judeochristian_values_of_a.html
>
> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
> that they ar
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/the_judeochristian_values_of_a.html
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
-Declaratio
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So, Marx wasn't dissing religion, he was saying that Communism would
> finally
> accomplish what religion attempted to do but failed.
>
>
Calling religion a failure seems like a diss to me.
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:26 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: McCain - US is a Christian Nation,a President should
be a Judeo Christian.
I dunno manopiates tend to calm, to numb.I think Marx was referring
to this affect.the numbing of reason.
No...I think religion seems to be
;
> > (just wish I could pound these words into some people's head)
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I know some of these people, but I'm not sure they will really believe
> that
> &g
eally believe that
>> McCain has found religion.
>>
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> a Judeo Christian.
>
>
> Goddamit.
>
> The thing that really pisses me off about this? There is a HUGE swath of
> this country that will cheer this. I kn
I know some of these people, but I'm not sure they will really believe that
McCain has found religion.
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