I just remember reading about that being a big factor in why it should be
required.
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From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:56 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
I guess I do not know enough about how insurance
Both my mother and my partner's mother have dementia, which requires a
much higher level of care than someone in a vegetative state. His
mother, who is California, costs about 7 grand a month. My mother,
who is in Georgia, costs roughly half that, although her condition is
worse. Dan's mother
This topic seems like an opportunity for a new tax! You don't want to wear
a helmet, fantastic, just pay the yearly I-don't-want-to-wear-a-helmet tax
when you register your bike. And don't forget
the I-don't-want-to-wear-a-helmet insurance that is required too. Sorry,
the rates are so high but
At some point it just seems like it's not the government's business and if
we decide it is, where's the line?
Helmet laws were usually pushed into place by the huge insurance industry
lobby. The governments didn't give a damn about personal safety.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the
nice bit of propaganda but typically data and evidence free.
citations please.
Helmet laws were usually pushed into place by the huge insurance industry
lobby. The governments didn't give a damn about personal safety.
~|
nice bit of propaganda but typically data and evidence free.
Propaganda? You don't think a lobbyist group can't influence legislation?
citations please.
Here is what I do nto understand about the helmet laws for those who
ride motorcycles.
In those states that have these laws, you can hop on your motorcycle
in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt, but as long as you are wearing a
helmet, you are 'safer' - even though the rest of your body has no
can imagine that it is pretty common).
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From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:43 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
Moot. If the law is correct, even once is too many times.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Eric
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
No..The point is that the costs of all the bashed skulls would be a drain.
The one instance of butt/private bits scraping would not be enough to be
considered a drain because it was a one off whereas the are
The problem used to be that the plastic helmet would wear down a bit,
if dragged against pavement, until a certain point and then stop short
snapping the users neck. I'm sure technology has fixed that problem by
now.
.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:29 AM, G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed,
The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident
involves a woman who fell from the back of the cycle and was dragged
down the road because her jeans got caught on the kickstand. She
spent months in the hospital having multiple operations to reconstruct
her pelvic region, and
Here's some data from a study by NHTSA that's very revealing. I'm reproducing
the Exec summary here:
(http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811208.PDF)
The combined data set contains information on 104,472 motorcyclists involved in
crashes in these 18 States during the years 2003, 2004, and 2005.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
So motorcycles riders who don't wear helmets cost the rest of us a lot. Its
not a
matter o free choice, rather its a matter of public health and safety. Those
who
object maybe should also be objecting to the Typhoid
That's interesting stuff.
Question: How much would I be willing to pay for particular freedoms,
including paying for other people's freedom?
Just because not having a law may cost me a few extra cents in tax dollars
as an American citizen, doesn't necessarily mean I should support the law.
So motorcycles riders who don't wear helmets cost the rest of us a lot. Its
not a
matter o free choice, rather its a matter of public health and safety. Those
who
object maybe should also be objecting to the Typhoid Mary laws that exist for
public health. After all its your personal
The first study I mentioned noted that following Pennsylvania's repeal non
helmet related head injuries went up over 42 percent. Here's the rest of the
quote:
The number of head-injured, hospitalized motorcyclists requiring further care
at facilities specializing in rehabilitation and
It is if you divide the amount spent by the number of taxpayers.
Probably more like a few cents.
Personally, I think anyone who rides a motorcycle without a helmet is
already brain dead, but I don't think it is my place to require them
to wear one.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Larry Lyons
Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I
am not sure I see how this costs 'us' any more money than any other
disease/injury.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
The first study I mentioned noted that following Pennsylvania's
It increases insurance rates.
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From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:07 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I am not
sure I see how this costs
Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I
am not sure I see how this costs 'us' any more money than any other
disease/injury.
You want to know how fast you can burn through a million? Just look at how much
it costs to maintain someone in a persistent vegitative
.
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From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I am not
sure I see how this costs 'us' any more money than any other
G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
That's interesting stuff.
I know drinking causes umpteen millions, and maybe billions, in health
spending every year.but damnit, I want to be able to drink, so i'm
willing to pay the bill for a little freedom.
VERY interesting point - I never thought
Probably was a real downer for the rest of the rally.
And as a blast from the past:
Gary Busey Urges States to Pass Helmet Laws
December 14, 1991
Actor Gary Busey, who was not wearing a helmet when he was nearly killed in
a motorcycle crash three years ago, on Friday urged all state
Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Actor Gary Busey, who was not wearing a helmet when he was nearly killed in
a motorcycle crash three years ago, on Friday urged all state legislatures
to pass mandatory helmet laws.
I'm not a biker and if I was I'd definitely wear a helmet, but a big
I want to agree. On the other hand, when a motorcyclist comes in to
the ER with massive head injuries, it's not going to get shrugged off
as a consequence of a bad choice, too bad. So there's a social
interest. On the *third* hand, if you extrapolate from that logic, the
government should
The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident
involves a woman who fell from the back of the cycle and was dragged
down the road because her jeans got caught on the kickstand. She
spent months in the hospital having multiple operations to reconstruct
her pelvic region, and
I understand the issue. But then why require seat belt use? I am not
really comfortable arguing either side of this debate. One of the
things I don't like about Canada is the mentality that personal health
choices can be politically incorrect because they affect the
collective public health.
Award Winner
The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident involves
a woman who fell from the back of the cycle and was dragged down the road
because her jeans got caught on the kickstand. She spent months in the
hospital having multiple operations to reconstruct her pelvic
.
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From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident involves
a woman who fell from the back of the cycle and was dragged
Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a protest against
mandatory helmet laws died after losing control of his motorcycle and striking
his helmet-less head on the pavement.
Parish-resident Philip A. Contos was riding his 1983 Harley Davidson along
Route 11 in Onondaga, New
Yeah I saw this. Kinda sad.
Yeah. I see the humor though...^_^
On 4 July 2011 09:36, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a protest against
mandatory helmet laws died after losing control of his motorcycle and
striking his helmet-less
Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a
protest against mandatory helmet laws died after losing
control of his motorcycle and striking his helmet-less
head on the pavement.
That's one of the great and terrible things about living in a mostly
free society. You have the right
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a
protest against mandatory helmet laws died after losing
control of his motorcycle and striking his helmet-less
head on the pavement.
That's one of the
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